Hi! Im just starting and i dont really know what to look at in logs, ive been told to SB more and im trying to, went from 20% to 46 which i guess thats still so bad but im working on it, also i notice im super sleeping in final stand, but might be because i was safe most of the time, so if anyone can point out any mistakes or whatever to not catch bad habits thank you so much!
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/CDB7Rx4TmNtZazKF?fight=last&type=casts&source=2
#Prot +6 Rookery early fixes
fair shoal
jovial pelican
For specifically what you're looking for, you want to go to the Damage Taken tab, click yourself, and hover your mouse over the hits column. It'll put up a little extra block that looks like this:
That'll give you the more useful metric of blocked hits; even if you do have SB up, you still need to look at the enemies to actually block.
It's technically possible to go all the way to 100% blocked hits, but it's not really realistic; you'll normally aim for like 95%-ish blocked hits. As you can tell, you've got a good bit of progress to go on that end.
It's gonna be a little hard due only having 14k haste and running Into the Fray, as a heads up, since ITF isn't as good for SB uptime as Heavy Repercussions, which shares its choice node. I'd recommend running HR while learning the class, since you're realistically only losing damage in exchange for SB being much easier to manage.
Other things you can use to evaluate your own performance that's fairly easy to do would be to check your rage use; it's technically possible to avoid all rage waste, but it is pretty hard. On your end, you only wasted 466, which is only like 4 and half full rage bars, but
you also only generated 10471 rage overall. Your CPM is pretty low, only at about 56.2 for the key; it looks like you're probably overspending on IP and not using SS when it comes off CD enough, which is hurting your overall rage gen. You're also pressing a non-zero amount of thunder clap for playing Colo, which is probably also stemming from not interacting with the spec enough.
As a different bit, you're also undersending defensives
SW will generally have close to a 1 min CD, though you only had 12 uses. That's not too bad,
but you only had 6 uses of SR over the entire key. It has a 20s CD for a 20% magic DR. It is very good, even if not reflecting.
Also, if you get the chance, you'll want to find a way to track Violent Outburst. You're currently sending 27 on SS and 19 on TC, when you, in almost all circumstances as Colo, want to always send it on SS. Sometimes it's unavoidable, but it's a much smaller of them send on TC. This'll also get you more rage that you can then properly send on Revenge/SB
For the main thing to work on, you'll want to make sure you're not oversending rage on IP; you mostly only use it to avoid overcapping rage as a rotational decision; it'll happen more frequently than it sounds like, as Prot War gets a lot of bursts of rage and actually has some notable rage generation. Optimizing your rage generation will end up giving you more IP over time, as well, which makes it so that you're actually more protected over time.
You'll also want to try and get more used to leveraging interrupts, but the key was over so fast that it was really hard to work on that in just a +6, so I can't say exactly how well you're doing on that.
@fair shoal I didn't format this super good, so it ended up being a bit text-blobby, so let me know if I need to come back later and try to clean this up to be more readable.
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I need time to read and understand this all hahaha but thank you so much lol
I didn't understand what does non zero amount of thunderclap, am I supposed to not press it?
I'll read it all more closely tomorrow because it's a bit late and thank you so much again!
I just saw HR = heavy repercussions, I don't know that talent but tomorrow I'll look for it
jovial pelican
I need time to read and understand this all hahaha but thank you so much lol
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In AOE as Colo, you generally only TC to gen rage if you get low (30-ish) or to refresh Rend
Otherwise, in AOE (3+ mobs), you go SS straight into sending on Revenge
Revenge has a chance to refund its own rage cost with Frothing, and basic rage gen will also generally keep you just swinging revenge. It increases your damage, which helps fluff your IP through Brutal Vit, and also keeps you alive via leech, as well. It also makes sure you keep spending the rage you're refunding/generating in order to cycled your CDs with Anger Management and to keep fueling Violent Outburst. Prot Warrior's entire cycle is about optimizing your rage gen with however the best method is for each hero spec.
With the amount of revenges you end up pressing, TC generally doesn't have as much of a presence on your cast breakdown. You still press it a decent amount, especially in ST where you still generally want to follow the basic Shield Slam > Thunder Clap > Revenge prio, but it's not as much as Shield Slam or Revenge
As an example, a random Rookery log of Nome, one of our main Prot War TCs, and its cast breakdown can be found here:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ghyZmkVWc1DbH7dw?fight=1&type=casts&source=2
fair shoal
As an example, a random Rookery log of Nome, one of our main Prot War TCs, and i...
Alright so many talents I don't know and I'm in bed so I'll read them tomorrow, I thought thunderclap>revenge so I've been prioritizing that, now that makes sense and I'll work on it
I expect to be doing higher keys soon because I'm being invited so easy noting main's io so this tips and changes are very very helpful, will read them all better and looking at the talents you refer
I think mountain thane is easier??? I played it during leveling and a couple dungeons and maybe it's because it has tons of rage I can misuse but idk, if colo is harder but it rewards it's difficulty I'm down for it
jovial pelican
Mountain Thane is easier, since you can always prio SS > TC > Revenge, pretty much, and you just manage your rage from there. The only real difference is that Colo does more AOE damage
fair shoal
Alright I read it back again and I think Ive got the majority of what you've told me, will try to apply this from now on and see how it goes, thank you so much for taking the time to answer it has been very good!
fair shoal
@jovial pelican i think this looks better? I should still have low defensives uptime because at some points i just didnt need them but ive been prioritizing more revenge over tc and tried to have more uptime on shield block, its still low because i keep forgetting but i think this is better?
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/X38gYW1BZ6wPCnTt?fight=last&type=casts&source=2
jovial pelican
You're doing a lot better on sending a lot of your things on CD, but now it's really showing up that you're not pressing Shield Block nearly often enough. If you didn't know, Shield Block can actually stack up to 3 times the base duration; in general, that means 24 seconds, since you should pretty much always run the talent Enduring Defenses unless you're parsing in raid specifically. I feel like, just based on the gaps between casts, that you might not know this, costing yourself a lot of uses and duration over time.
You're probably still missing out on some SS resets, but your cast breakdown as a whole is looking decently better overall
You actually almost died in the first big pull since Shield Block dropped, so you took like 7 unblocked melees and got chunked
fair shoal
Aaaaaah I thought that if I overlapped SB it didn't add so now it's easier knowing that, also I like the talent that extends SB that you told me
Yeah first pull I couldn't focus because I'm still a bit overwhelmed with all the different buttons, I'm not worried about that because I will catch up on that with more play time
Also I think I'm running double shield wall, should I do that or the talent that reduces it's CD?
jovial pelican
As of this season specifically, double wall is better; it reduces the CD by a base 30 seconds, which is roughly what Imp Wall, the other talent, would give you on average with Shield Wall's current CD and our rage spending
fair shoal
Cool
jovial pelican
It also gives you the option to use shield wall back to back if necessary, which is helpful when you do higher keys where you need to bunch a ton of groups into a single mega-pull in order to meet timer
fair shoal
Perfect, so now I have to still focus on SB now knowing I can overlap uses, not miss violent transformation in TC, SS on cooldown over everything(?) and better IP uptime too I guess, would this be the more important stuff?
I'm starting to feel better with pwar tbh
jovial pelican
IP uptime isn't something to focus on; its uptime depends entire on damage profiles, or how and when damage is coming in
If you use it to manage your rage bar so you don't overcap, you'll get the use out of IP that you need
And yeah, SS on CD makes it so in AOE, you maintain rage to keep sending revenge, and in ST, it's one of your highest damage abilities
You only would prioritize Revenge over SS if you're really set on rage and are purely damage farming in AOE
fair shoal
Oh I had a doubt too, execute>revenge in st no?
jovial pelican
or if you're farming stacks of demolish before mobs go away, but that's not a practical scenario in keys or raid at the moment
Execute is kind of funny, because you can rage starve yourself with it
fair shoal
You only would prioritize Revenge over SS if you're really set on rage and are p...
Fantastic
jovial pelican
You want to use it over Revenge, but if it drains your rage so you sit on empty globals, you have a bad time
A good rule of thumb is that if you're close to 40 rage, send revenge and then execute, otherwise press Execute if spending rage that global
fair shoal
Alright! I was just spamming it but I've been feeling that was not the way
jovial pelican
That way you keep spending every global so you can reset Shield Slam CD as much as possible