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Just ran a +12 Priory and felt like my damage was very lacking, i ve been learning arms for keys but get the constant feeling I should be doing way more dps, like 20% extra overalls, Retri pals usually outdps me by a considerable margin and afaik that shouldnt be the case.
heres the Log: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/DnrQd1fRhN3taTzg?fight=last
little rune
one of the main things I see you do is that you consume your overpower buff stacks with mortal strike in aoe situations, when you should always funnel those into cleave
Since cleave with no reset always ends up being a 2gcd cooldown, you can fill in up to two overpowers (depending on how many you have available of course). If you have two, then I'd highly recommend just doing cleave > op > op > cleave - which is very obvious and easy to do to increase damage.
When you have one stack of overpower available then i highly recommend being aware of the cleave > ms > op > cleave line. This was, you don't waste your overpower buff on mortal strike in aoe situations. A lot of people end up auto-piloting into the cleave > op > ms > cleave line, wasting a lot of damage.
Something else that a lot of warriors don't do (I honestly didn't check if this applied here ngl) is using sweeping strikes in such a way that you end up with a THICK collateral damage buff - which you need to be careful not to wastefully consume. This by itself doesn't deal all toooo much damage (still noticeable though). In combination with Merciless Bonegrinder, so with Ravager running, you can get a gigantic cleave into demolish full combo, where that one cleave potentially ends up doing more damage than a 10 stack demolish
aside from that i could only potentially argue that you're slightly underusing demolish (especially in the latter half of the dungeon).
this hero talent node makes it so we have giga cooldown reduction, don't be afraid to test "just sending it"
you'll see demolish come back up way ahead of expectations due to this node
sturdy zenith
Since cleave with no reset always ends up being a 2gcd cooldown, you can fill in...
So we don't priorize MS over OP in AoE Situations?
8 sec Demolish CD reduce during SS with one MS that crits twice sounds very good.
little rune
So we don't priorize MS over OP in AoE Situations?
less immediate damage - learn to plan ahead for your next demolish
sturdy zenith
Makes sense.
sturdy zenith
less immediate damage - learn to plan ahead for your next demolish
And you would pop Ravager just before a buffed up Cleave instead of right at the beginning with SS?
little rune
And you would pop Ravager just before a buffed up Cleave instead of right at the...
if you start at zero stacks of colossal might (which you almost never do), then you pop sweeping strikes and ravager in the opener - obviously
I was more suggesting that you do not waste your collateral damage proc, because its a lot more damage when used in conjunction with ravager due to merciless bonegrinder
we dont have every cd on every pack
Obviously
im describing a situation where ss is back up but ravager isnt, you stack your collat damage during the sweeping strikes and then unleash a fat cleave with ravager running when you get the opportunity
not playing around this makes warrior a lot worse
Not only that - us warriors should prepare collateral damage and colossal might stacks before starting a key if we want to deal dummy damage on the first pull. This ravager + collateral damage cleave interaction is necessary to optimize damage with a prepared opener
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Hi! thanks for your input, ive been reading it all and I agree with all of your points, I havent been paying attention to Colat damage at all tbh
and also, I agree I oversave Demo trying to always sync it up with WB on AoE packs
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im describing a situation where ss is back up but ravager isnt, you stack your c...
yeah I guess this is more of a context based decision like I got Ravager in <15 secs so I pop SS stack Colat and then pop Ravager into a fat Cleave
little rune
yeah I guess this is more of a context based decision like I got Ravager in <15 ...
this is pretty much it yea
this is the difference between your average 2mil overall player vs 3mil-4mil+ overall
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Not only that - us warriors **should** prepare collateral damage and colossal mi...
about this, I havent been doing it cause I dont have 2 dummy toys, only the turnip atm haha, ill see if theres any in the AH avail
little rune
about this, I havent been doing it cause I dont have 2 dummy toys, only the turn...
its rough in pugs but u can always ask for 1st pack pull to prep
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its rough in pugs but u can always ask for 1st pack pull to prep
I guess asking for 20sec pull timer instead of 10 would suffice?
little rune
i mean depends on packs death time
in cinderbrew i kill the two yellow on the left with 24sec pulltimer
works out every time
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ok so in the case I start the key with a colat stacked, AoE opener would change to charge>TC>SS>Ava>Rav>Cleave>...get some demo stack...>WB>cleave>Demo?
surely I cant also get the fat cleave inside WB cause then I get no time to stack demo before WB expires
or I pop SS some time before and MS before
little rune
you are supposed to prep both collat and colossal might, not only collat
refresh colossal might duration with a quick mortal strike in the opener
also no your opener is completely sideways
with collat and colossal might fully tracked:
Charge > Tclap > Roar > Rav > Ava+WB+trinkets n shit > Demolish > Cleave (theres an argument to double OP first)
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aight gotcha
sturdy zenith
you are supposed to prep both collat and colossal might, not only collat
How is this supposted to work pre-key?
If I'm in combat the key can't be started
little rune
How is this supposted to work pre-key?
If I'm in combat the key can't be started
you put the key in after mobs die / u leave combat
sturdy zenith
you put the key in after mobs die / u leave combat
How does a toy you summon die?
little rune
How does a toy you summon die?
you just drop combat with those.
sturdy zenith
you just drop combat with those.
yeah.. after a couple of secs. + 10 sec key pull timer + run to trash. demolish buff lasts only 23 sec. this is hardly enough
little rune
i dont think you understood it
aint even gon lie
you include the prep in the pull timer
a long pull timer
not 10 sec
sturdy zenith
not 10 sec
10 sec is the timer before the key starts
sturdy zenith
learn. thats why im asking
little rune
in your group
dont do a 10 sec pull timer
do a e.g. 24 sec pull timer
24 lets me prep all i need
10 seconds is standard but not mandatory.
sturdy zenith
10 seconds is standard but not mandatory.
You have a clip to show this?
When I try this it goes like this:
Prep till 10 stacks 23sec buff. Go out of combat -5 sec. Key starts, loading screen + 10 sec timer - 12 sec. 5 sec of buff left. 5 sec for tank to pull and for me to refresh buff. Impossible in motherload e.g.
little rune
you dont have to skip the first packs in ML - thats a dungeon where this type of prep rewards you with enough damage to destroy the assassins
