for the basic set
#vanilla-discussion
tawdry quiver
yeah
misty bolt
slam is so annoying to use
distant saffron
you lose a lot of swing time
tawdry quiver
but i'm talking what's the most dps, not what's the most fun
misty bolt
fury then
distant saffron
Im talking about the most DPS here
tawdry quiver
most DPS as arms
so I wonder if you'd wanna run the pvp gloves then?
when they come out?
distant saffron
if ur gonna pepega and play arms, then you'll need to have perfect timing on hamstrings
tawdry quiver
explain plz?
misty bolt
isnt the whole pvp set bis anyway
distant saffron
the gloves are solid
misty bolt
except 2 or so pieces
tawdry quiver
I know it's dumb too Babyhoof, but my guild are like..all old friends, they won't care as long as we aren't debuff capped
distant saffron
head/shoulders if 305
misty bolt
well its all pvp gear in bis chart
distant saffron
which bis chart
tawdry quiver
what do u mean by timing hamstring?
distant saffron
@tawdry quiver you play the same as a rogue, basically - hamstring perfectly after auto
tawdry quiver
I mean, easy to do, but what's the benefit there?
distant saffron
you have no flurry, so resetting swing halfway through is rough
distant saffron
Yes
tawdry quiver
gotcha
distant saffron
@misty bolt you talking about r10 or r13 set
misty bolt
both
distant saffron
so for the r10 set you want to use 2 pieces
tawdry quiver
Another thing to consider here is my guild is cool, we're all buds, and I might just wind up being a Nightfall bitch anyway
distant saffron
helm/shoulders is good
misty bolt
or they optional atleast so you can rock em no worries
tawdry quiver
if we aren't debuff capped my as well do it as arms
distant saffron
legs/shoulders are also good
misty bolt
yeah phase 2 comes out bye bye fury forever
distant saffron
gloves I want to test more, and better implement into spreadsheet
misty bolt
its so trash in pvp
distant saffron
the r13set has 4 decent pieces - shoulders, gloves, legs, feet
legs/feet/gloves defo bis
Shoulders maybe, depending on other hit slots
because you somewhat want to use 2set r10 as 2H
misty bolt
well consider this
you only need 5% hit for pvp
so no truestrike ass cheeks etc
and thats also lower for orc right ?
using an axe
distant saffron
wait
are we talking about whats pvp bis
Because I was talking EARLIER about pve gearing around the gloves
misty bolt
ah nah mostly gearing for maximum PVP and retaining some pve dps
distant saffron
🤔
misty bolt
my guild is chill, 0 care about tryharding stuff
but I still wanna top dps or atleast be top 5 or sum
distant saffron
just use full pvp set for pvp, and then 2set r10 for pve
distant saffron
Yes
misty bolt
nice
hopefully I snatch BRE or Spinal before that
btw is brutality blade bis
for orc ?
@distant saffron please say it isnt
distant saffron
no
lime salmon
Any warriors using sword spec instead of axe? I always had alot of fun getting those extra swings
sharp spear
Aight. Chiefs enforcer or diabolic skiver? Was lucky enough to get both in one run
novel dragon
do bosses in DM also drop books? or just trash mobs?
solar matrix
they do
distant saffron
bosses can drop both librams and the class books
gloomy lake
@lime salmon maybe you should play human
worthy bramble
in pre-raid BiS DW Fury is currently top dps right now?
or you need raid gear for it to scale past 2H fury or 2H arms?
stark gull
Human fury warrior - have mirah’s song for off-hand. What’s a solid alternative for the MH? Currently trying to farm Dal’Rend but I’m positive it’s a myth and I’m sick of ubrs.
misty bolt
brutality blade 😄
stark gull
Welp, if only it would drop
stark gull
Yeah... I think I’d rather castrate myself in public than farm Emp for ironfoe, might have to cave and buy krol
cobalt talon
hey guys, i need some fireres gear for tanking ragnaros, anyone has a link to a good comprehensive guide or a bis list?
'd be much much much appreciated 🙂
proud lotus
whats the deal with heroic strike? people spamming it to no end even delaying bloodthirsts and WW casts
small bear
distant saffron
What race
open bane
mirah then unless you have the +axes helm
cyan eagle
Hey guys. New lurker here
I'm leveling a warrior, I'm level 43 now and I'm bored with arms. but nobody can tell me if it's even feasible to level fury. or worth it. I feel like i"m doing something wrong in arms. I don't feel as effective as I could be
kindred vessel
Hey guys, quick question about tanking Rag. Do you need full Fire resist gear or can use some tanking pieces, also does it matter if one of the pieces of armor is cloth instead of something with higher armor?
misty bolt
C L O T H ?
summer stratus
Your cloak can be cloth...
proud lotus
so im a gnome with edgemasters, what legs are best to go with it, Devilsaur legs or eldritch from dm west (dont have gold for cloudkeeper)
analog mesa
How much agi = 1% crit
proud lotus
20
analog mesa
is there a list of gear from DM thats good for dps warriors?
pulsar vault
kindred vessel
yes cloth, I won https://classic.wowhead.com/item=12609/polychromatic-visionwrap at one point and was wondering if I can use it or have to buy the other resist chest gear
prisma meteor
It’ll help with your fire resist but make you squishy af otherwise. Have to balance resist gear with others when MTing. Can be a little more flexible for OT times.
slender oyster
Whats better Fury or arms for lvling up from 44 (with Whirlwind axe atm)
misty bolt
arms untill 60
fiery tartan
any1 here know a lot about weapon skill in classic?
misty bolt
its huge. why ?
willow oyster
lmao ur just worse mages
leaden rain
@willow oyster chicken
distant saffron
Mages pepelaugh
worthy bramble
so the standard rec now for leveling is 2H Arms tanking and dpsing from 1-60, then go DW Fury for PVE dps, Arms for PVP, and Prot if raid tanking?
distant saffron
Yup
worthy bramble
i'm in 40s and just got a hammer of northern winds epic mace (human), i shouldn't even bother equipping it right? it would help some when i swap to shield for bosses but not enough to be worth equiping vs selling?
and deep fury prot tanking is more an endgame thing not till P2/3?
snow iris
hey.. any1 have any thoughht on that 2h axe from tribute run?
im runniuing 2hy fury atm
2.7 so thats why im wonderign.. looke nice (stats) but the speed?!
snow iris
i have it
analog mesa
@snow iris speed of 2h isnt really important for 2h fury, thats an arms thing.
slender scarab
should I unbind autoattack from bars as warr? are there any benefits for removing it?
snow iris
@analog mesa hmm ok?!.. im horde tho so i have WF in raids.. so i guess slower speed is better?
@slender scarab make macros.. and have /startattack in them
analog mesa
Your main damage is blood thirst which doesnt benefit from higher top end damage @snow iris . Though slam does i believe. So it does have some value to have a slow weapon. Its not as big of a deal though.
slender scarab
@snow iris is there some compilation of useful macros for warrs listed somewhere?
snow iris
@analog mesa Yea i have imp slam 5/5 .. but isent slower speed better for windfury?
@slender scarab they are easy to make..
for ex
#showtooltip Mortal Strike
/startattack
/cast Mortal Strike
slender scarab
thx!
novel bolt
hi, am currently lvling at 36, am full into fury spec. Am wondering if it is possible for me to tank on sm lib/arm ?
open bane
possible yes arms is better
misty bolt
I tank in DW fury spec at max with 0 problems
does alot of dmg with WF when you can pop deathwish on packs
prisma meteor
Tanking at 60 is far different than tanking while leveling up.
Are you leveling as Dw fury or 2hand?
As said, when leveling arms, you can easily tank in dps spec without any tanky talents.
median rampart
can the The Forging of Quel'Serrar during onyxia encounter be done by 2 warriors at the same time?
fiery comet
If I was in MC up until Sulfuron can I enter another guild's instance and do the last 2 bosses? Or just Ragnaros?
@median rampart Yes.
median rampart
Eisn, you the best mate thanks
worthy bramble
@snow iris for your execute macro you don't want it to change to B-stance unless ur currently tanking in Defensive right?
shouldn't you put in condition [stance:2] before the /cast battle stance? If you happen to be in zerker since you just used a WW or something it's a waste to swap to B-stance
@prisma meteor just out of curiosity how is tanking as Arms while leveling any different than as DW fury in terms of needing tanky talents? It's really just a matter of more cleave damage from SS/WW using 2h right?
the main difference is just Arms route is more AE dmg, DW more ST/rage generation, but due to how easy dungeon grinding is the AE dmg from 2H should end up higher since most pulls are packs
snow iris
@worthy bramble Execute macro??
snow iris
🙂
worthy bramble
so it's only in bstance so it's good
snow iris
ye.. dont have a macro for execute 😛
worthy bramble
i saw some others do same with execute macro and thought it could get ugly overdoing the macros
i use one but just use [stance:2] modifier so if i'm in defensive it'll change, otherwise it'll just execute, there's no negative in that right?
snow iris
dont think so.. but im DPS so im rarly in def stance.. but if i were i would just manuelly chjange stance and then use execute
worthy bramble
cuz if ur in defensive stance when execute phase starts kinda have to assume ur tanking so wouldn't want to go zerker for execute phase
ahh cool
snow iris
got key binds for all 3 stances so its easy
worthy bramble
we all probably should have separate biunds for all 3 stances, trying too hard to save buttons and be lazy lol
snow iris
I have 2 thumb buttons on my mouse.. so.. shift+thumb 1 is battle shift+thumb 2 i zerker and shift+space is defstance.. used those back in vanilla
worthy bramble
ahh that's a neat combo shift indirectly controls all of them
snow iris
aye
u just have to find something that works for u
with good keybinds the gameplay gets so much smoother
worthy bramble
@misty bolt can you link your DW tanking talent sheet? And going that route, do you still use 2H with WW opener for AE aggro/dmg and sacrifice 1 GCD for the weapon swap or just stay DW permanently?
worthy bramble
oh yea for sure, luckily we have less buttons now than in BFA I think lol. I played tons of classes together so tried to sync up all the same binds for similar type of abilities, trying to optimize it for classic still
but gotta get my first guy to 60 first before it matters lol
misty bolt
nah I have a big one hander weapon so dont use 2h at all
and I use just the basic DW dps build, its fine for all dungeons with enough gear
worthy bramble
nice that's what i've been doing, slow mainhand and fast offhand so WW/cleave still does OK dmg just not as big as 2Her, but the ST dmg even before 60 seems higher than Arms. Still planning to go Arms when I find a good 2H to finish the rest of 45-60 probably cuz everyone says it's much better
misty bolt
yeah you need to be hitcapped for DW fury to work
worthy bramble
ahh ok so for leveling it's not good then since we can't really be hit capped right?
misty bolt
yeah most of the hit gear is really high lvl
snow iris
i wouldent bother with dw rly pre 60 and decent hit.. but thats just me
worthy bramble
i bought a judge's gavel in case keep getting bad luck from ulda and can't get one of the nice 2hers, I'll swap to 2H tanking in a couple levels or if something good drops
snow iris
last boss in Brd drops a nice 2h axe.. i still use that
but w8:ing for raggy to drop my 2h sword 😛
worthy bramble
nice, i'm human and only in 40s so I really want that 3.9 speed sword from last boss in ulda
snow iris
ah that one.. ye its nice
worthy bramble
that's probably one of the best i can get for where i'm at
worthy bramble
no i was too lazy to farm it lol, i figured that amount of time I could be 40s and have SM or ulda weapons
snow iris
oh ok 🙂
worthy bramble
but have just had horrible luck on drops, did armory like 10X and no ravager thing
snow iris
yeah same.. never got ravnger..
worthy bramble
but the bad luck streak has to end soon cuz either i'll ding 47 and use judge's gavel or the ulda sword will drop
snow iris
but i had the ww axe so i didnet rly care
worthy bramble
yea i don't think it's even that good anymore for my level but the proc is so epic lol
i'm gonna go back and farm it at 60 just to have
snow iris
hehe 😛
worthy bramble
for humans swords are best even if going full arms? the axe talent i heard is better overall but not sure if that accounts for the inherent human sword bonus
worthy bramble
ok cool gonna try to stay that route for now, didn't read up much about the horde advantages. WF + orc + axe bonus is the best end game combo atm?
snow iris
I played NE warrior in vanilla.. Sword spec + HoJ was nasty.. 🙂
I guess so.. dont matter much imo..
we clear MC + ony in one evning.. and we r not even greared yet..
worthy bramble
i guess it's close enough and the raids are so easy for endgame a few percent won't make a diff lol
snow iris
so the endgame content atm is quite easy
worthy bramble
ahh ok nice to know so we can have some flexibility to mess around with different combos
snow iris
sure.. i dont even bother with world buffs and pots/flask couse we run through MC like a cakewalk
and vosses like raggy and ony the htreat is bonkers so u must keep an eyey on ur threat all the time 🙂
so.. play what ever u like imo... no need to min/max 100% of everything.. just enjoy ur self whilke playing.. if not its gets boring and stale very fast
but anywho... im off to bed now 🙂 GL on ur way to 60 m8 🙂 NN
woven patrol
Is there a setting to always auto attack next target?
Or do I need to macro each ability to that? Or just have a start attack macro?
misty bolt
start attack macro
bright raven
I need some ppl to share their experience with me
Desperately need to know why everybody is hating on Deep Prot in Phase 1? :<
You need so much crit and hit that is not present in P1 unless resorting to mail/leather
for Fury prot dual wield to work
open bane
because people think fury prot is good because asmon uses it
even tho its a gimp spec if you dont need the extra threat over playing deep prot correctly which is a strictly better tank spec
bright raven
Realistically why would you choose Deep Prot vs Fury Prot?
open bane
you choose fury when you cant hold threat with prot playing properly
and not having clown gear
aka never
bright raven
Would you expect a phase where Fury Prot > Prot?
bright raven
Very unpopular opinion to have (which I share with you)
open bane
which in 99% of guilds deep prot has no issue with
if your tank has threat issues check if they even know what theyre doing to begin with
or if you play in a guild that goes for speed clears with 20s boss kills
open bane
ye youd be hurting yourself having a fury tank
big part of generating more threat is having more rage through getting slapped
bright raven
how much def do you aim for raids?
open bane
with 305 weapon skill
open bane
if you arent use edgemasters anyway
and tanks dont need any defense
its not a bad stat but items with it are generally terrible
e.g ony trinket
big no no
bright raven
This might sound stupid, but this would definetely make BWL progress suck with no def
bright raven
Chrommagus and Nef not being crit capped would suck I was told
misty bolt
wtf you doing not playing human or orc
bright raven
(I haven't tanked in Vanilla so Wouldnt know)
misty bolt
as a warrior
open bane
i mean vael is also smth but that is fire dmg
bright raven
BiS for tank warrior would still be mostly MC stuff aye?
open bane
fightclub has a "bis" sheet for tank gear
if your tank has threat issues make sure theyre hit capped and press their buttons on cooldown
ss and revenge
bright raven
We dont have threat issues
except for the ppl who opens with CD before the boss has reached me
:>
I will check out Fight Club's disc
cheers!
open bane
np
fluid palm
hello would any warriors here help me with a macro?
xD
for fury duel wield <-> 1h Shield
worthy bramble
#showtooltip Defensive Stance
/startattack
/cast Defensive Stance
/equip Vanquisher’s Sword
/equip Aegis of the Scarlet Commander
that's the basic type of equip i use going from B-stance to D-stance, are you trying to stay in the same stance but just throw on a shield?
if so you could just do the /equip Shield name cuz it only goes in 1 slot you don't have to specify anything
@snow iris I finally got a decent 2H so about to respec to level the rest of the way as 2H tank. This is really all I do is dungeon grind all the way to 60 as tank so that's my only focus. Was talking to a couple others that MS isn't that useful for this purpose so I came up with this build, can you or some other Vet critique it before I spend the gold?
it's basically 21 Arms for SS, improved charge. Rest Fury for max rage/damage, and some regen since I should be taking 99% of all the hits, the blood craze I figure would actually add up to a decent amount of healing
and purely for dungeons Enrage/Flurry would net more damage than MS I'm guessing? As Tank the uptime on enrage should be pretty high getting hit by packs
cunning lotus
how does edgemasters work on orc with axes? I know axes gets hit down to 6% with 305 wep skill, butt how does it scale if i get 312?
lunar siren
Hey guys. I was thinking about my preraid bis for fury - tauren. Is it better to have the dalrends weapons or axe of the deep woods + mihrens charge/flurry axe in of?
autumn rain
@worthy bramble with a fury tank, would it not make sense to: remove points on imp overpower, try and get impale over 2h dmg, since you will be critting quite a bit just by going fury and berserk stance? SS will be applied and then you go berserk and full into wwe, cleave mode?
junior pumice
@lunar siren dalrend mh is hard to get. Easier to farm gold and buy aodw and flurry. Either way you will havr to buy edgemasters because you picked the wrong race
lunar siren
I have the dalrend mh so that shouldnt be a problem get the offhand
Thinking about whats best
junior pumice
Should just get offhand then. I see that drop a lot
Save yourself some gold
And buy edgemasters anyway
lunar siren
I have the devilsaurs set, is the weapon skill so good to compensate?
junior pumice
It's 3% hit and glancing blow penalty reduction
Must have if you're not orc using axes
lunar siren
Well thats not a good news for me, wont make hit without devilsaurs :/
junior pumice
Need 6% hitwith 305 weapon skill
If you break devilsaur set with edgemasters you basically gain 1 hit
misty bolt
Yeah big mistake not going orc 😄
lunar siren
Yeah seems like it :/
junior pumice
Just pay the wrong race tax and roll with it
I got mine for about 400g since i rolled undead
worthy bramble
@autumn rain thx for looking through it, i was gonna go for the full impale tree but i heard that during leveling gear our crit is too low to make it that noticeable so went with the guaranteed dmg from 2h and OP. It might be pretty similar though, give up parry for that tree
split lava
Guys, I'm leveling a Warrior (lvl 14 atm) and currently playing with Fiery Weapon Enchant. I've put the enchant on a one-hand lvl 10 white axe. I have 2 axes like this and going to DW them on 20s.
ATM is really easy to lvl since Fiery procs from rend, hamstring.. But I wish to prolong the use of these weapons as much as I can.
My question is what talents do I go for? Since I'm relying most of my dmg of it's procs.
I don't mind to change everything later on, or now. I'm just testing and for now it's very good..
(sorry about my english ^^)
autumn rain
@worthy bramble I sit on 18% crit with my warr in zerker stance and WW crits are often
@split lava Hamstring would be great. rend+hamstring+cleave+WW at lvl 40. would be awesome
split lava
@autumn rain I don't think these lvl 10 white weapons will hold to lvl 40 haha
autumn rain
@split lava agreed, but I would say that sword of omen at 33 would be a steal with fiery enchant
alongside vanqiushers sword
that would be your next "tier" of weapons
split lava
Nice, I'll look for that!
@uncut hare Do you think I should go for an usual Fury build?
uncut hare
Flip a coin if you can't decide, I've been all over the place with my choices so I couldn't tell you what to do haha
I'm just sticking to arms for pvp reasons, mainly
split lava
Sorry to call you @uncut hare hahaha miss clicked and didnt realise
So you think I should go usal fury @autumn rain ?
usual*
summer stratus
@worthy bramble biggest problem with your build is 4 points in flurry and not 5, I use 21 arms 30 fury and it’s great for dungeons.
autumn rain
@split lava sweeping strikes would be awesome for you too. 2 sec
https://classic.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/0531500130201-0505000540501005 @split lava I would go for sweeping strikes first. afterwards 5% crit and normal fury. Reasoning is when you gain crits, you tick another bleed you can proc fiery enchant with
split lava
That's really nice, thank you!
cunning spoke
hey guys for fury wars 1H is it best to get agility enchants on gear or strength? in Berseker stance i'm at 25% crit chance and my strength is at 236 and AP 824 withour b shout.
Please help. thanks in advance
summer stratus
@autumn rain I didn’t know deep wounds could proc fiery. Any idea or info on it proccing weapon effects? I mean I wouldn’t think deep wounds would proc that as it doesn’t proc things like wf.
prisma meteor
@cunning spoke crusader
summer stratus
Hakkan you want 3 agi cloak. Str on helm legs gloves wrists. Run speed boots. Stats chest.
worthy bramble
@summer stratus can you link me ur build again? i had it a few days ago and lost it. what did you get rid of from mine to get 5 flurry over 4?
i can go 4 improved b-shout, that's probably a smaller dps gain
i need to log my clears to see if bloodcraze is worth it too, seems no one runs it but as a heavy fury tanking packs all day I'd like to see if the total amount of heals is pretty significant and the procs per min each clear
does details track that type of stuff or do i need a more advanced logging system?
*Details the addon
frosty haven
it will track bloodcraze healing
worthy bramble
sweet thx
frosty haven
you'll have to do some math to see how many procs you had
i dont think it counts procs, just the amount healed
worthy bramble
ahh ok that's still a decent gauge to see if it has value. I'm tanking at least 9/10 times so don't mind losing a little dps if it adds up enough to be worth it
i imagine it has to proc every pack pull
summer stratus
I took 2 imp cleave instead of 3 blood craze. Kind of up to you though either take one out of bc or imp bs for the final point in flurry.
I had blood craze on previous build and it was nice for basic farming but isn’t going to save you in dungeons typically. More of a really minor assist to your healers mana pool but in most cases they’ll be drinking anyways. But the two in imp cleave is pretty minor as well so more a preference thing.
worthy bramble
cool thx, the improve cleave bonus doesn't apply to the total hit dmg right just the tiny +18 or watever is added by the leave is multiplied so it only adds a small amount?
already liking it much better though so much faster/smoother than heavy prot since at 45 you can't get anger management and swap without losing all ur rage. This lets you charge every pull and you never really start a fight at 0 rage
hidden hamlet
Best race for PvE tank warrior classic horde? Can't decide between orc or troll
misty bolt
orc
woven torrent
Troll for MT
frosty haven
troll has higher TPS with lots of gear
orc is better otherwise
misty bolt
if you tank dungs only
woven torrent
But stun resist is nice in raids too
misty bolt
as troll you will need 9% hit which sucks ass
frosty haven
or get edgmasters
misty bolt
not cheap playing the shitty races
frosty haven
which is a sword
misty bolt
lol
youre sayint it like TF is a blue drop
eventually yeah 😄
if youre the main tank
frosty haven
well just saying, there's a reason why troll is considered better than orc
but its for min maxers
who dont pvp
worthy bramble
not that this will matter for a long time or likely ever for me lol but in the end game would human war MT be best once guilds get TF? Sword bonus + kings + salvation on raid = much easier threat management?
worthy bramble
i mean compared to horde with WF, is that alliance combo still better?
i can't remember that long ago, not sure who progressed faster with world firsts 15 years ago lol
silly question but with 2 mobs i'm not supposed to WW right? since cleave is cheaper?
or is there some difference because of GCD or rage return where WW is still used on 2 mobs
worthy bramble
ahh WW is a separate hit so it doesn't give you rage on it's hits, but you dont lose the rage from the auto attack
so in a way it's actually cheaper than cleave?
distant saffron
yes
marble maple
cleave is 1 extra hit with some extra dmg while ww is up to 4 extra hits
(and that it doesnt eat your auto for rage gen)
summer stratus
No
prisma meteor
Or just for bosses.
worthy bramble
@hidden hamlet there's a bunch of discussions about leveling specs, most ppl go heavy Arms all the way to MS and just put on a shield for bosses. There really isn't any PVP right now so I went Arms 21 points just to SS and the rest fury for more dmg similar to Seo's build.
as a dungeon tank getting smacked thousands of times pulling packs I think the dmg gain from Enrage and Flurry will easily pass up losing MS but can't prove this since I just respecced last night 🙂
i'm trying to log my runs more to see the uptime though, how often we get critted, how much bloodcraze heal adds up, and if Enrage triggers basically every pull. If so I personally think it's superior to 31 Arms build for dungeon leveling but i'm pretty new at this
umbral ember
Are you guys aware of a tier list of weapons for orc warriors? I'm trying to figure out what's best to aim for - other than the obvious flurry + whatever the BoE mainhand is called
I'm more or less full pre-bis, but my weapons seem lacking. I just got a Rivenspike for my Mirah's Song today, but I'm still not quite sure what I should aim for.
umbral ember
Great, thanks! So for MH Rivenspike is 2nd BiS, only overtaken by the BoE. I'll have to work on getting a good offhand for it.
misty bolt
farm Strat UD for hatchet
umbral ember
Yea I'll do that.
misty bolt
or you can buy flurry if you got money its bis offhand for DB
umbral ember
Is that living or undead?
misty bolt
undead
umbral ember
Okay
I do have the money, just not sure if I'm willing to spend it.
What's the priority on hit/crit? I'm at 10% hit, will have 12% when I get my TSS. Should I try to swap out items for crit over hit until I'm back to 9% or 6% if I have dual axes?
umbral ember
Well the 6% or 9% hit cap is what it takes for abilities right? White hits still benefit from excess hit no?
misty bolt
and if you dont have edgemasters anything but axe is inferior, even if its raid epic
because of how weap skill works
umbral ember
Yea I don't have those
misty bolt
its some gain but very small compared to crit or raw AP
umbral ember
alright. I'll see if I can't find some crit items in my bank before raid tomorrow.
thanks
Do you have a rough idea how much 1% crit is worth in str/AP? For instance, it'd probably be better to keep my Blackcrow for 1% hit, and swap out bracers where I can get 1% more crit, instead of the 22 AP I can get from Riphook
misty bolt
you can sim it
theres a spreadsheet in the fight club discord
its like 30 ap per 1% I think, not sure about it 100% tho
frosty haven
@umbral ember whites benefit from excess, but you can get around that by heroic strike cancelling, since queueing the ability essentially make your off hand auto count as an ability, even if you cancel heroic strike before spending the rage
misty bolt
yeah just put stopcasting macro to your cleave and HS
bright karma
Not an ability, it's still a white swing but as if you were swinging a single weapon so no dual-wield miss penalty
summer stratus
anotehr retard orc warrior rolling on dal rends.......
i passed for my rogue buddy, almsot rolled just cause the orc war rolled
misty bolt
Lmfao what a dumbass
analog mesa
does winterfall firewater stack with elixir of giants?
also does juju power stack with elixir of giants?
summer stratus
dang might be time to respec for impale, at least based on numbers from my last dungeon run
not confident it would raise my st damage by as much though. I'm wondering if details is incorrect the number of overpowers in a given run seems incredibly low, and I have an easy macro for it and almsot certain I casted it a lot more than it is saying. granted if I have a lot of rage I won't use it but think I need to manually compare it.
main hemlock
classic mechanics are hard for many ppl
like wep skill
xD
game is 15year old but people are still as stupid
even with information readily available
end of rant
sharp spear
@worthy bramble would you have a link to SEO build?
charred terrace
so is x2 dalrend worse than axe of deep wounds +OH dalrend
drifting sierra
Is there simcraft for classic?
hot fable
Is meleecleave a thing after zul'farrak? I am level 51 and thinking about going fury from now on.
worthy bramble
Canceling HS can be done with 1 macro that just does cast hs and stop macro the next line?
@sharp spear not his exact talent setup but the multiple variants of 21 arms to get SS and 30 fury to get max enrage and flurry are very similar. Minor changes are personal preference
Like improved cleave vs bloodcraze for a 2h tank aren't game changers
misty bolt
dont go fury
arms is superior till 60 and hit cap
also if you on pvp server fury will get you killed
bright raven
Is Edgemaster BiS throughout BWL as well for tanks assuming you're a non-human/orc for TPS?
open bane
you can use muggers belt from DM and a dagger
but until you get + weapon skill weapons from KT youre pmuch stuck with edgemasters
same as dps
orcs will use edgemasters with TF aswell
woven torrent
MC is there only to gear up people for pvp
glacial estuary
Id roll for swords just because of that massive speech 😛
misty bolt
or you can get OEB
prisma meteor
Just chill until phase 3 and Ashkandi.
wet eagle
What level should you be to tank Deadmines for the first time, and at that level does it matter if you're 2H tanking or using shield and 1h?
frosty haven
i would say 18 should be okay if your group is competent, 17 at the lowest 20 to be safe
you will have a smoother run using a 2h imo
maybe use a shield for bosses
if they hit hard
wet eagle
Much appreciated!
fluid palm
is axe of the deep woods + mirahs better than axe of deep woods + flurry axe?
summer stratus
@worthy bramble from fight club. Queue or cancel Heroic Strike/Cleave with the same bind (DW hit penalty "bug")#showtooltip Heroic Strike /startattack /cast Heroic Strike /stopcasting
/startattack
/cast Cleave
/stopcasting```@sharp spear what destroyer said is correct. There’s multiple ways to make it work. The route I took is great for dungeon spamming fairly early on you can do different things with your points. What morghrang also said is true though. But ms is pretty weak in dungeons. Most should just do the standard build as it just works. That said I ran fury 2h till mid late 40s, to where I swapped early to my plan for what would be a lvl 51 build. Ss gain was only massive on burst but evened our to being an extremely minor dps increase over the course of a dung at that point. A lot depends on you though. I always had a shaman for wf. That makes sunder spam work well for this build. Sunder with cleave queued is crazy for wf.
I wreck better geared wars by a huge margin in dps in Ubrs for instance. Not just wars though. Beating mages even when I’m the tank. Talking good mages not the trash that this retard war beat yesterday.
latent ridge
Hey can i ask a build question?
worthy bramble
cool thx - do yall have the linkk for the fight club? i found one but said invite expired and didn't let me in the channel
woven torrent
@worthy bramble
worthy bramble
ahh thx let me see if i can find it
misty bolt
also
if you got good plate you can tank in fury dps spec with hit cap and full plate
its fun af
main hemlock
beating dps as tank 🍆
latent ridge
I’m going the fury prot build but the one on wowhead doesn’t using tactical mastery and I feel like that’s a mistake what are y’all a opinion on this build?
distant saffron
...
thats literally part of fury prot
not having tac mastery
its a spec for relentless tryhards who get buffs
latent ridge
I’m not going the dual wield spec
Guess my second question is it better than going full prot? I’m not raiding yet but I’m like 58 and so far I don’t have much issue holding threat unless it’s against aoe pulls and I run with a 60 war and mage who know how to play very well
misty bolt
full dps build is fine for anything but main tanking if youre geared
and arms/cruelty/prot is better anyway for dungeons tryharding
latent ridge
So what am I looking at for main tanking cause I assumed the fury prot build was for that since it allows your dps to actually dps
distant saffron
no, its for guilds that kill bosses in 30 seconds
Deep prot build will give you better results
latent ridge
So what do you wait for 3 sunders or something? Build more offensively with your gear to hold aggro?
distant saffron
you just play as normal?
first GCD SS, 2nd Revenge on pull
keep HS queued for the first few swings
aggro is worst at the start of the fight
make sure you're hitcapped, and stop wearing 400 defense and youll be fine in 99% of guilds
latent ridge
Oh yea I know to not go full 400 and get hit capped just trying to learn more about the class
Another question kinda random but some ppl are telling me execute is bad and other ppl are saying it’s the best thing ever I can’t seem to get a good explanation on either
distant saffron
execute currently consumes all rage generated in a 1-400+800 MS period after it is cast
it should eat it in a 1-400+400 period
latent ridge
So it’s bugged?
distant saffron
yes
open bane
the 800ms is server side
fresh tendon
Batching is dumb
distant saffron
Yes, keladan
frosty haven
delete batching when
loud marlin
Is DW Tanking as an off tank viable? For an orc, i was thinking rivenspike + Boneslicing hatchet but should i just get dalrends?
misty bolt
you dont go dal rends as orc
woven patrol
question regaarding the HS "bug" macro
that cancels the attack
do i hit the macro before my OH hits? or my MH?
loud marlin
grats
cloud wadi
fuck you saw 2 hojs in 30 min
median rampart
i literally had to do over 80 runs to see like 2 hojs drop
and epic chest dropped from arena on my 2nd run
rng is a bitch
median rampart
man i seen people doing 250+ runs
and still didnt get it
and for me i get it on the 2nd run... feelsbadman for the people on the grind
fiery nexus
If I am sitting at 26% crit would I be better off taking off the Savage glad chain and putting on Cadaverous instead?
(1h fury)
spare oyster
no
distant saffron
26 crit is not very high
main hemlock
saw a tryhard orc warrior with a mace + dal rend offhand, puked a little
and no it wasn't ironfoe 😂
lusty herald
summer stratus
I saw 3 hojs in about that same time frame.
jade fog
woven torrent
Why tf is a human using spinal?
glacial estuary
Because its classic only some real sweaties care that much about always wearing a sword or Axe
misty bolt
Orc with dal rends detected ☝
woven torrent
Fuck off orc with swords @glacial estuary
glacial estuary
If I had a 2h sword on my orc war and had someone say why are you wearing that.
you would get a swift stfu retard from me is all Im saying 😛
luckily I dont play classic so the sweaty spergs cant say shit to me 🙂
main hemlock
so it's bad to use items better suited to your race, yee
glacial estuary
nope its bad to pretend like Spinal isnt a good item just because he is a human.
misty bolt
so its ok to steal epic items that will perform worse than blues from other classes ? tard
only exception to this rule is pvp but you want axe anyway because of axe spec
glacial estuary
Steal?
misty bolt
if you take brutality blade from a rogue
as orc
you are a retard
or any raid sword
unless you have edgemasters then its ok, still stupid
misty bolt
nothing you say has any bearing, you dont even play the game. back to retail pleb
glacial estuary
Id grab up that sword from Rag anyday as an Orc
misty bolt
you wouldnt be in that position
frosty haven
why not?
glacial estuary
lol
misty bolt
hardstuck at lvl 20
frosty haven
there's plenty of options for a human to be in a position to get an axe or and orc to get a sword
you're dont have to be stealing anything
misty bolt
I was with a warrior with swords in a raid once
frosty haven
good?
frosty haven
maybe he is a bad player
who cares
the entire purpose of the game is furthering your character, not telling others how to further their
if i want to play a sword warlock
fucking hell i'm not going to listen to others
woven torrent
Thats because no one would play with you 😂
misty bolt
it aint 2005 anymore
frosty haven
probably true, i've seen sword locks do about as much dps as a ret paladin if thats any metric
glacial estuary
Classic hasnt changed everything falls over who are you to be telling someone an item isnt an upgrade especially given you have no idea what the dude was wearing before
its just some sweaty dumb shit
misty bolt
retail mentality
glacial estuary
Atleast I dont have a retard mentality
frosty haven
if its fair within your guild's loot rules then who cares
leave the guild if you dont like it
unreal meteor
Curious how other tanks here handle the whole improved battle shout issue when other warriors are in the group?
I personally try and avoid inviting other warriors for dps to my group. I hate explaining to them why I need to use BS for AoE threat
prisma meteor
@unreal meteor in vanilla, I was shout bitch for raids and specced into all the shouts. Leveling though is different. I’ll ask tank if they want to handle shouts for extra threat. Sometimes they do, sometimes they don’t.
tawdry quiver
So I have a background in academic Philosopy, and we have a saying (used throughout the humanities) that departmental politics are the nastiest in Philosophy because it matters the least. This phenomenon is happening in Classic - people are trying to lend weight to things that don't matter by getting insanely bent out of shape about them, i.e. "YOU CAN'T ROLL ON THAT IT'S NOT BIS"
summer stratus
This isn’t retail you don’t have personal loot and you can’t trade loot once it’s been rolled on. You have to have some common curtesy and be reasonable about what is bis for you or just a small sub par upgrade when it’s bis for someone else. A lot of these drops are insanely rare and hard to target so you need to make them worthwhile. Fucking over other people cause you’re a dip shit selfish cunt just flat out isn’t cool and further makes you a complete shitter. It also gets you removed from good guilds or parties. It doesn’t matter if you think the content is trivial what matters is you are wasting someone’s time, and if you think your time is more valuable than theirs then you are also a selfish cunt.
Rabite you see people rolling for stuff that isn’t an upgrade all the time.
tawdry quiver
Sure, there is merit to what you're saying as well
summer stratus
Further wasting people’s time. Which matters to them
tawdry quiver
But the BIS nazis are just trying to make something seem important that isn't
raidwide power is not important. Bosses will die.
summer stratus
No doubt about that fact. But people aren’t just killing bosses repeatedly just cause they can.
tawdry quiver
my crappy guild cleared 6 bosses in MC last night with 30 people, 3 of whome were sub 60 and the vast majority of whom had never raided MC before
I raid mythic in retail, and the skill level in that raid was like...a typical Normal raid
summer stratus
Yeah in vanilla if we had over 30 in mc it was a good day.
tawdry quiver
So if someone wants to roll on something that isn't a BIS upgrade now and then, it just doesn't matter
summer stratus
I know I’ve been cutting edge many times but it doesn’t matter for the loot discussion imo.
It’s like the orc warrior the other day who had preraid bis axes rolling on dal rends. Shit like that is just unreal. If you really look at the time it typically takes to get that weapon set.
In a controlled guild run environment even based on rolls you really should have a general gear plan. And if you get lucky with it you make changes. But you don’t just take something cause you can.
glacial estuary
You are attributing motives of a person who has spinal reaper but have no idea of the scenario and are just making up this thing that he is bad because he is a human with a 2h axe.
For all you know no one wanted it and it was a upgrade for him
so he took it
but instead people are like "wow what a retard look at this guy STEALING items"
its baffling
summer stratus
Nah be quiet I never said that. I’m not a moron that doesn’t understand those situations can occur. I am talking about the specific actions that a person takes that are frowned upon in the classic community.
glacial estuary
I can easily quote you where you are essentially describing people in a very negative light without any context of the scenario at hand
Also who gives a fuck about "the classic community" it is a guild decision. So if the guild let this person have it and its an upgrade I would say this again who are you to tell anyone how they should feel about this or try and make them feel bad for taking an upgrade.
summer stratus
“Fucking over other people” that’s clearly in context and has nothing to do with “no one wanted it”
glacial estuary
????? What are you quoting from the Spinal reaper guys said nothing of that sort.
summer stratus
Myself then you
misty bolt
orc warr got both
glacial estuary
Morth you can move the goalposts and get mad some guy got some 1h swords but that in turn does not make some ally boy a bad guy for getting Spinal.
frosty haven
if you join a pug where the decided loot rules are need before greed with nothing on reserve
sometimes the hunter is going to take your dal rends
and that's okay
its not ninjaing if they actually equip and use the items
even if it was a bigger upgrade for you or someone else
they might be dumb
but let them be dumb on their own
crimson jay
why should ally warr not roll on Spinal? 2h PvE for ally is non-existent so all raid 2hers are for PvP only where weapon skill is irrelevant anyway.
sure, Sword spec (Arms tree, not racial) is better but an upgrade is an upgrade
woven torrent
crimson jay
if you get it to drop
if not, Spinal is a good alternative
do you want to give it to Pallys instead or what?
misty bolt
Ret weapon
crimson jay
not sure if
prisma meteor
If Spinal was an upgrade to him, human or not, it’s an upgrade. And maybe no one in the run needed it.
Applying retail mentality to classic play is never going to end well.
Personally, I’d like to think he had WW axe up till Spinal dropped. Oh wait. He’s human. Never should have equipped the WW axe leveling up, right?
glacial estuary
Can someone explain retail mentality?
crimson jay
it has nothing to do with retail mentality whatever that may be
glacial estuary
Im curious what the thought is here?
misty bolt
while levelling you got axe spec
crimson jay
it's just that you don't need 2h weapon skill as Ally because you should not be raiding as 2h and for dungeons & pvp it doesn't matter
because weapon skill doesn't have much value if not fighting +3 level mobs
misty bolt
selfish, loot-whoring, ninja mentality = retail mentality
glacial estuary
How do you ninja, and loot whore in retail I think you are ascribing the exact things that happen in classic to retail for some backwards reasons
think of things like RESERVES
in classic
that is loot whoring
glacial estuary
think of all the situations of masterloot going wrong and being incredibly biased
oh wait thats classic
summer stratus
How is reserving something loot whoring?
glacial estuary
Because it can be corrupt and biased based on X person authority
If im the leader I can make anything reserved for me explicitly
crimson jay
well, if you're not a tank or bring tank buddy, forget about reserving anything anyway
summer stratus
Yet people choose to join. They could just not join
crimson jay
when I see rogues reserving warrior BiS 😂
glacial estuary
Sure because for some reason people in classic have a dumb mentality and think reserving items is good. The rules are only good if they apply a good for me and not for you type of thing
summer stratus
I did a run last night that had a ton reserved. Was funny it was pretty awful. Lowest dps group I had ever seen. So heavily reserving will get you shitters. I left cause he didn’t deserve the carry. Leader was worse than rest of them.
latent ridge
So I never understood the reserve thing but then not put it on master loot
summer stratus
Have to master if you reserve or people will take it
crimson jay
well, you guys know the struggles of being a Warrior. other classes can literally solo farm 50-100g/hr easily. so reserving a key item (HoJ etc.) or Orbs/BoEs/Greens as a tank is legit
and most people are fine with it because nobody wants to wait 1hr for tank
as long as you perform and don't overdo it
with reserves
summer stratus
If you are running something 200 times and making the group successfully 200 times why would you not reserve? I reserved every brd run I did from lvl 49 to 58 I believe I was in there and did nothing but that for sgc. Would have been foolish to put that work in and not reserve. Cause then your 200 runs turns into 2000
weary lintel
Non humans/orcs do we only need 8% hit for pve or should we just get as much as possible? or 8% then focus on crit?
weary lintel
so 9% then crit?
crimson jay
yes
glacial estuary
If you are running something 200 how do you know if someone in your group hasnt or has run it just as many times as you and who are you to say "hey guys X is on reserve"
summer stratus
Sighcosis you ideally want 6% and get that 305 skill.
glacial estuary
Thats a real f word move imo
summer stratus
Lol for reals?
summer stratus
If they have done it 200 times they should make their own group and reserve it themselves.
glacial estuary
The simple fact you want to reserve items in classic is funny and shows that the Retail mentality is far less retarded. and not What Morth talked about at all.
crimson jay
did you ever play on pservers?
glacial estuary
essentially Reserve means you will ninja X item if it drops regardless of everyone else
summer stratus
You say it’s on reserve before they ever join. Grom starting to question your judgement.
summer stratus
Grom now you are making up the dumbest shit I’ve ever heard
distant saffron
He shouldn't
glacial estuary
and attributing many negative motives
summer stratus
I didn’t ever say that once again.
glacial estuary
Yes you did
summer stratus
Nope quote me then
glacial estuary
"A lot of these drops are insanely rare and hard to target so you need to make them worthwhile. Fucking over other people cause you’re a dip shit selfish cunt just flat out isn’t cool and further makes you a complete shitter. It also gets you removed from good guilds or parties. It doesn’t matter if you think the content is trivial what matters is you are wasting someone’s time, and if you think your time is more valuable than theirs then you are also a selfish cunt."
There is tons more you said above
summer stratus
Yet you keep spewing more and more idiocy with each statement.
glacial estuary
Im simply drawing parallels
summer stratus
And yet it never references bre guy
crimson jay
playing Ret in group content is way more being a selfish cunt than Warrior reserving key items
change my mind
summer stratus
If the guild is basing that weapon as a pvp choice that’s their decision. Never did I call him out specifically
distant saffron
Why would it not be a pvp choice
umbral ember
If I'm using Obsidian Edged Blade (i.e. +8 2h sword skill), what is my hit cap supposed to be?
distant saffron
6%
umbral ember
Is it 6%? Usually axe (when orc) makes it 6%, but since axe gives +5, and this gives +8, is it still 6%?
frosty haven
yes
umbral ember
Do you have a source for this? Not because I question the validity of your answer, but because I'd like to not have to ask these questions!
crimson jay
it is because wep skill past +5 only reduces hitcap slightly and there are no fractional hit ratings in classic
frosty haven
weapon skill gives fractions of hit rating, but you cant get fractions of hit rating on gear
so you technically would need 5.x but it only drops in increments of whole numbers
umbral ember
ah
cool
So if I have 9% hit, 27.07% crit, it'd be better to swap out my 1% hit waist with a 1% crit waist
ye?
frosty haven
yeah
umbral ember
great, thanks!
frosty haven
assuming 6% is your cap
umbral ember
Well I have the +8 sword, so yes
What about Blackcrow (1% hit +3 agi) vs Riphook (+22 AP), I guess I should get the riphook then yes?
at 8% hit atm
frosty haven
probably, but you'd be better off plugging them into a spreadsheet or sim
frosty haven
the one that is pinned in fightclub
umbral ember
What is this fightclub that keeps getting referenced? A PVP discord or something?
frosty haven
its the classic warrior discord
frosty haven
there is a link in the pins here
glacial estuary
Guys I rolled against 2 warriors on my shammy for that ring from Princess would you loot nazi's hate me since my freedom loving warrior friends in the group didnt reserve/ninja it?
frosty haven
yep, you're loot hitler now
gl playing classic 😎
umbral ember
@frosty haven I can't seem to find the Fight Club link, but found a reddit post with an expired invite link. Are you a member and can u invite me perhaps?
frosty haven
umbral ember
Thanks!
glacial estuary
The rolling system is democracy/freedom. Reserving/ninjaing is commie/socialist Keladan. So if I'm anything I would be Roosevelt not hitler good sir.
frosty haven
i dont have enough iq to be smart with my comparisons
so
your still hitler
sorry m8
glacial estuary
wtf
slender scarab
wtf
latent ridge
Just stop reserving and crying when someone takes something. Believe in your rolls!!
meager blaze
whats peoples thoughts on the hamstring spam in the rotation? i know its a thing with 2h but what about dual wield? instead of heroic strike
bright karma
👀
misty bolt
never reserved shit
miss 2 pieces of pre-bis
just dont invite any rogues/hunters/warriors/enhance shamans
latent ridge
I once made a group of 4 wars and a shaman to get hoj it didn’t drop of course but I ain’t no coward
velvet quartz
When should you use Sunder Armor as DPS, is it only worth in raiding?
meager blaze
dont use sunder armor at all as dps
anyone use hamstring as their filler instead of heroic strike as dual wield fury?
velvet quartz
Hmmm, I just read on Icy Veins that I should be using Sunder Armor
novel dragon
Do what your heart desire bro 👌🏽
latent ridge
I’ve been told that icy veins is not a reliable website
velvet quartz
I want to do what is the most efficient lol
I need a PeakOfSerenity.com but for Warriors instead of Monks lol
misty bolt
wowhead and icy veins arent reliable
only go to the fight club disc for reliable info
velvet quartz
Never been there, do they have good Classic Warrior info?
misty bolt
yeah better bis lists
velvet quartz
Checking out their website now
Everything I am reading is sounding like you should only use Heroic Strike if you are getting very high on rage and have nothing else to spend it on, and Sunder Armor > Heroic Strike in most cases. Does that sound correct?
misty bolt
in certain lvl bracket yes
crimson jay
what scenario?
that’s really vague
generally you want to stack Sunder asap, esp. in party/raid content and with melee dps. it reduces effective health of target and is a big dps increase. unless mobs die within a few seconds then just nuke em down fast
crimson jay
dps warriors in raid can and should press Sunder too mate
on pull
insta 5 stacks and lets go
Tank has to SS + Rev for snap aggro
Sunder is always top priority unless stuff dies within seconds
summer stratus
I always sunder as a dps. Unless there’s 5 stacks I might hamstring. I’ll even sunder over cleave a lot of time in dungeons cause wf proc will give me the rage I need for cleave. Favorite is being loaded with rage queuing cleave while spamming sunder.
latent ridge
Its called fight club disc?
crimson jay
should be in pins
latent ridge
Think I found it
eager glen
hey i've got a question about sword of zeal proc
copy pasting what i posted in a guild discord
im doing some calculations right now and i'm not sure if i'm doing this 100% correctly but im trying to figure out how much effective dps im getting from the sword of zeal proc
right now my calculation looks like this:
10/(2.8x.7)+5x1.25/(1.8x.7)
taking into account the increased attack speed we should have during flurry and reduced damage of offhand with dual wield spec added
it should be 10.03 increased dps across mh/oh during the proc
which is effectively just over 70 str
and the proc has a really good uptime
100% on some short fights
is this potentially better than dalrend set?
correct me if i'm doing something wrong here
analog mesa
should i only use juju flurry in execute phase? if its a long fight i can use it more right?
meager blaze
does anyone use hamstring in between BT and whirlwind for windfury procs?
rather than heroic strike
prisma meteor
HS is rage dump in classic. Hamstring is a decent way to get some extra WF procs.
granite heath
It took me ~233 runs in arena to get savage gladiator chest to drop
granite heath
Invincible?
misty bolt
horse from Lich King
meager siren
Does anyone know if the proc from Bonereaver's Edge can take mobs into negative armor(sorry if this has been asked before)
distant saffron
no
slender scarab
Is fury better for leveling before 40?
frosty haven
no, arms is the spec to go for levelling
analog mesa
Arms is best but fury is not that much worse. Problem with fury is you will get clapped in pvp.
misty bolt
honestly just go arms and offtank raids
its better for dungeon tanking, pvp...
and nobody cares about MS in MC
cursive blaze
has anyone tried using 5 set Might bonus as fury tanking?
delicate hornet
I'm respeccing tonight to prot and I'm actually quite nervous about being an MT. I've tanked all the 5 mans so far as arms, but have rly been struggling in scholo/strat/BRS. What tanking guides do you recommend? I'm struggling especially so with pulls that require I tank 3 mobs. Part of it is because DPS don't know how to wait for sunders, but part of it is because i cant build enough threat on the third mob. Right now my rotation is: charge > berserker rage > whirlwind > battle stance > blood rage > demo shout > thunder clap > battleshout > defence stance > sunders + tab > once 3 sunders have stacked i start spamming shield block, revenge, and sunder. Ill overpower too any time it procs. Im always having to use taunt and mocking blow on that second and/or third mob, usually because dps start attacking before im through the rotation. Is my rotation bad? Should i begin sundering sooner?
misty bolt
I charge WW>Dstance>demo. sunder one,revenge the other and taunt the last
misty bolt
cant do that with shitty pugs
agile elm
That is true
novel dragon
you have to tank knowing that no one will wait. so just get threat right away on skull, and tab sunder the others. no reason to stress yourself out.
if you're deep prot, make sure you use concussion blow
if a mage aoes, KNOW that you will NOT keep threat. just go on about your day and dont stress out on shit you cant control
prisma meteor
Consider a macro letting them know when to attack.
granite heath
Is Treant’s Bane drop rate really less than 1%?
summer stratus
Yeah it sucks too so doesn’t matter
primal wasp
does the 'Hyper-Radiant Flame Reflector' reflects Ony's fireball?
woven torrent
You lvl 60, and the mages lvl 1?
gilded frigate
no they're lv 60
woven torrent
I have a hard time believing that tbh
gilded frigate
not sure if it matters but they were afk
gilded frigate
well its horde
crimson jay
„ugh horde no skill“
plays easy faction
lmao
even funnier if you were alliance mage
main hemlock
disgusting faction and gnomes
cobalt otter
plucky elk
Gnomes gotta be nimblle with that escape
thorny gyro
does edgemasters work on two handers or only 1 handed?
misty bolt
1hand only
grave edge
hey, does anyone know a macro to equip one handers?
plucky elk
./equip "one-hander" but replace "one-hander" with the name of the weapon @grave edge
grave edge
what about the off hand? i thought i needed to do equip slot something for it but not sure
plucky elk
same thing but for the shield name
grave edge
oh, i meant for dual wielding two 1handers
visual granite
/equipslot 16 'mainhand'
/equipslot 17 'offhand'
bold elbow
Does /sit to proc enrage while questing not work?
grave yarrow
sharp swallow
during leveling while grinding normal mobs is it better to throw up some sunders first or just heroic strike?
junior pumice
Hs is bad ability most of the time when levelling
prisma meteor
Heroic strike is your rage dump. Sunder.
lavish lark
hey is there any particular way to use ashavane trinket?
misty bolt
hehehe getta outta here Paulie
dawn otter
for leveling arms, is taking blood craze worth it at all over improved battle shout?
in the fury tree
misty bolt
yes take it
median rivet
remind me agian dual wield fury for raid is better than 2 hander fury for raid correct? classic wow that is
i know theres a slam build for 2 hander fury but so far not really likeing it either that or dont got it down yet
median rivet
right now i got dal rend i could go brut and viskag or obe and bonereaver
if they ever drop for me that os
woven torrent
No
misty bolt
9% for non axes
woven patrol
Got it. Thanks. Wasn't sure if it matters bc of OH
drifting solar
How difficult is it to tank dungeons with 17/34/0 with tanking gear and a shield?
misty bolt
not at all but arms PvP spec is still superior
drifting solar
I prefer dw fury over arms
spring cedar
How far will 17/3/31 take me raid wise? I'm reading different things on the viability of prot and decided to take impale for extra threat. No issues staying alive right now
misty bolt
All the way unless youre raiding with complete worldbuffed tryhards
spare oyster
impale is very marginal for the investment as deep prot, you're better off taking other talents
steady palm
11/5/35 will be better than 17/3/31 for threat without world buffs. The 2% crit from Cruelty will do more than Impale unless you're actually running max world buffs and consumables and hit a respectable crit%. But should you die and lose WBs deep prot with Impale will be worse off than 5/5 cruelty deep prot. Impale also costs you QOL for non-raid content while adding very little/nothing for raids.
glossy wind
Would Executioner's Cleaver last me till 60 as an orc warrior? Or should I be gunning for something else?
prisma meteor
There’s a nice axe that drops in BRD. Dreadforge retaliator. Or if you have the gold for it, Kang the Decapitator. And then Arcanite Reaper.
woven torrent
Ar is like 1000g
halcyon current
yea not seen it on this server but just from looking at the mats would make sense
prisma meteor
Young servers. Things should balance once they mature more. 60s now are ahead of the curve.
misty bolt
Dont buy AR its not all that in classic
prisma meteor
I wouldn’t buy it now but arcanite reaper was all that in vanilla. Worth about 200-250 gold. I sold 1-2 in vanilla and made 1 for myself.
solar matrix
it was all that in vanilla
because there wasn't another easily available 3.8 speed ~54 dps weaon
until late in vanilla
this is why ar is ded
that and price
misty bolt
Yeah I got that sword, ez dropchance
bright karma
not only that, back in AR's glory days instant attacks weren't normalized yet
so the 3.8 speed made it very appealing
delicate hornet
Grizzle's Skinner or Soul Breaker?
tawdry quiver
I suspect the axe of Emperor is actually better than AR for 2h fury
in any case close enough to not matter, especialy at 300 gold
woven torrent
Ar looks so good tho
amber perch
Are there any stat weight sources for classic where you can pump in your own current gear? I had a google and all I seemed to get where the usual generic guides on icy veins etc or retail stuff.
summer stratus
Yeah vanilla was common to use ar until tuf which was insanely op for a while.
How is dfr better than ar? I have dfr and demonshear but use the sword cause I’m Tauren and it’s higher damage dps.
worthy bramble
so are instant attacks currently normalized in classic right now? So the benefits of super slow heavy hitting weapons is a lot less noticeable than in vanilla when AR was popular?
also do yall have a tool that logs more thoroughly than Details? I'm running a similar 21 Arms for SS/30 Fury build as Seo to give up MS for enrage and flurry and for dungeon farming it seems to outperform the full Arms build as 2h tank cuz with continuous pack pulls Enrage seems to proc a LOT
I'm not sure how to tell the uptime only while in combat since Details just gives the overall uptime for the whole dungeon clear
i wish it didn't cost so much friggin gold to respec so I can test on a multiple clear cycle which build gives me better dmg/faster clears
tidal rapids
viskag dropped today and I got it, am I gimping myself as an orc? 😦
solar matrix
just making yourself buy some PRICY edgemasters
tidal rapids
Havent gotten an upgrade in awhile so I said fuck it
distant saffron
Yes, you are
honest wasp
I'm playing an Orc Furry Warrior and I want to know how many %Hit do you stack before you go for %Crit
so what is really necessary
I found Serval Guides... an no answer that really satisfys me....
junior pumice
6 when using axes
honest wasp
but its only for the main hand
junior pumice
Hit after yellow cap goes down in value a loy
Better gear ap and crit
There's a dps spreadsheet in the discord linked in the pinned messages
honest wasp
i found some formula what do u think about
for main hand: 5% + (Defense Skill - Weapon Skill)*.1%
junior pumice
Most guides you find o the internet are for pservers
honest wasp
for Off hand: dual-wielding: 24% + (Defense Skill - Weapon Skill)*.1%
junior pumice
Which are not accurate for classic
Big part of your damage comes from yellow hits, and past 6 hit has no value, while ap and crit affects both white and yellow
honest wasp
and the spreadsheat you talk abbout where can i find it
junior pumice
And while you have hs queued, dw penalty for oh is removed
Check pinned messages in this channel for invite to fightclub discord
There's a bunch of faqs and spreadsheets there
honest wasp
im allready in the fightclub
"And while you have hs queued, dw penalty for oh is removed" this quote... is this really true? or just a myth?
junior pumice
6 for 305 weapon skill and 9 for 300
bright raven
Also if you're DW?
honest wasp
im DW
junior pumice
You really want 305 weapon skill because it reduces glancing penalty from 40 to 15
honest wasp
ya i play orc and use axes
junior pumice
And lets you gear more crit and ap since you only need 6 hit with 305
honest wasp
i think 6% its too low, its hard to get HS everytime queued, so you need more hit for the offhand
junior pumice
Ez to get 6 with lh, tss and devilsaur then go for crit and ap
Hit has some value past yellowcap but not as much as crit or ap
honest wasp
whats tss?
junior pumice
Truestrike shoulders
honest wasp
a the UBRS one
junior pumice
Yeah
junior pumice
You should actually check what the notes on the side say about hit and not just blindly follow top item in each slot
honest wasp
what notes?