and using shout still gives aoe threat? demo shout i mean
#vanilla-discussion
gilded yew
hot quartz
it does but it got nerfed
gilded yew
woth to use it over revenge/tc?
solar matrix
hope is the first step on the road to disappointment
Two dervish in a row
two helms
cursive comet
Friends. Anyone have a working equipment manager addon? Cant seem to find one that works =/
hasty wolf
hey guys, considering /sit macro to trigger enrage/bloodcraze doesnt work, is fury still the better spec to use until level 40 when leveling as warrior?
or should i spec into arms even before level 40?
last belfry
Hey everyone, is it possible to make a macro that does Shield Bash if in Battle/Def stance and Pummel if in Berserker Stance?
hot quartz
use the stance condition
/cast [stance:2] Shield Bash; [stance:3] Pummel
something like this
misty bolt
anybody on ZT farming charms wanna team up ?
cunning plover
if you're low level and rich the charms can be bought, just an fyi. Spent 3 hours on it at level 35 myself.
thorny gyro
doess anyone know how to change real mob health from percent to actual health value?
tender estuary
You can't without an addon
true stirrup
Would it be viable for me to create a DPS Warr for PvP and one for PvE to avoid respec costs? Or would it not be worth?
Since it's Arms for PvP and Fury for PvE?
misty bolt
wtf lol
true stirrup
Sorta don't feel like paying 50G for a respec all the time
gleaming karma
I'd say its more work leveling 2 of them
then keeping both up getting gear
Cause you will use pve gear in pvp
its just imo way more work than getting 50g
true stirrup
Aight, yea I ask since I started in late BC so I don't quite know the ecosystem of the older content very well
distant saffron
in the 7 days you spend levelling a 2nd warrior
you could farm all the gold you need to respec
open bane
7 days wowee thats some record pace there m8
its whorrioer
dont forget spending like 200g on your twink gear so you dont have to relive the first time you leveled
midnight fox
can a macro equip both shield and weapon same time?
or does it need to be pressed twice
mellow island
got a smallish first world problem here, maybe someone can shed some light: Edgemasters dropped today, and since I'm playing Orc and Expert Goldminers Hat is a thing I am currently trying to find out what the effect of exceeding 315 weapon skill would be.
distant saffron
both are useless for orc
305 is the big breakpoint, 308 is glancing cap
past that, wep skill is meh
sell both, buy epic mount
pulsar hill
how much do the charms tend to cost on ah
olive merlin
as fury DPS do you still bloodthirst in 2+ target situations, or just whirlwind/cleave? I feel like bloodthirst has better better damage per rage spent than cleave.
tame python
divide damage by rage and check
distant saffron
Yes, you still bloodthirst
olive merlin
Thank you. I did calculate it but wasn't sure if weapon damage was as simple as averaging the range in the character stats or if there s more to it
I know they made some changes in the past to how weapon damage works to stop slow weapons from being very strong for instant attacks. But not sure if that's fully or partly effective in this patch
distant saffron
It is, but your damage while levelling isnt from instant attacks, its from autos
data from several levels
misty bolt
Overpower wants to have a word with you
faint raft
Tell stuff to dodge more.
distant saffron
yeah ive had awful luck with OP lately
sage ocean
so im guessing arms is way to lvl?
idle mountain
hear you can go fury till 40 then respec
sage ocean
well i just hit 42 feel like arms is slow but i guess its cuz im a cow
with a sword
lol
crimson jay
just Warrior things
wind vapor
burnt light
Question: I have a Taran Icebreaker. Should I switch to 2H Fury from Arms and use it instead of Rockpounder Arms?
distant saffron
no, dont spec fury
burnt light
Guess I am selling it then
earnest carbon
dusty herald
how come blanchard's stout 43.4 dps is almost the same equipped weapon dps as ww axe at 35.6 ?
slender scarab
Question: while leveling is it better to have Mining and skinning for moneymaking? should i unlearn my Engineering?
pearl sequoia
Depends what you do with it. I lvl'd with mining + engineering. Engineering made most of my gold being at 100g + reaching lvl 40.
olive barn
What did you make your money on from engineering?
slender scarab
Hey guys, so is it better to start off with 2 gathering professions and lvl up engineering at lvl 60?
zenith cradle
hmm what enchant should i use instead of Crusader on my 2 hand Destiny
Dont have the money for Crusader
formal oriole
hey for fury would u go with mirah's song over either rivenspike or thrash blade?
pearl sequoia
Blunderbuss, needed for a quest. Other than that, engineering parts. Recently advanced target dummy too.
gilded yew
Just naked my first hdw run with lvl 20 and boy..i don`t know. I charge in, no rage for anything. Miss miss and eevrything runs around to the dds who attack everything the second i charge. I am extremely rage starved in general. Does it get better? I tried to charge -> tc -> switch stance and stack sunder but the tc does not work most of the time
burnt light
Use Demo Shout for initial AoE threat
gilded yew
ye forgot, tried to do that instead of tc as first action after charging
still lackluster
do you just use dmo one or spam it for the threat?
coarse folio
burnt light
You can spam it, AMBER
misty bolt
Yeah and who doesnt play the bis races
warped crow
Wondering if its worth levelling alchemy to be able to transmute arcanite every day
gilded yew
@burnt light so how do you engage combat? charge and then autoattack and spam shout or how do you mean it?
burnt light
@gilded yew Charge in, def stance+demo shout (got tactical mastery talented), followed by 1-2 Demo shouts, then tab-targeting mobs as necessary for sunders and taunt. So far it has worked well enough.
modern river
Can I sell tank runs as a way of making gold or is that just something that happens at 60?
next merlin
on a pve realm is it worth playing and lvling as arms or it doesnt matter fury or arms?
modern river
I don't see how playing on a certain type of realm would change much.
Fury will generally have more single target capabilities while arms will generally allow for more AOE situations.
As far as I know.
hot quartz
because arms is better for world pvp
a lot of fury leveling was about sitting to get crit for enrage
it's a lot more annoying to do on classic than on p servers
i'd go arms tbh
prisma meteor
I’d level arms then go 2hand fury at 60. 55+ even if you have the gold to respec then.
plush hatch
does warrior have any way to get over the beam
twin oar
what beam?
plush hatch
sorry azshara
twin oar
i'm confused
misty bolt
bruh
Classic
btw whats a good enchant to get for my whirlwind axe ?
I wanna pimp this baby out
slender scarab
Could someone give a clear answer as to what hit rating you should aim for as a fury human dual weilding swords? Sorry if it has been asked already, I couldn't see it in pinned notes.
misty bolt
is that expensive ?
slender scarab
No, should be around 40silver for the +3 dmg, that's what it goes for on my server
As for hit rating, my understanding is 5% for yellow hits, can someone confirm?
twin oar
idk
distant saffron
6% if 305, 9% if 300 skill
slender scarab
Thanks, aiming for higher is good or not needed?
distant saffron
not needed atm
later on you'll get pieces that are worth going over soft cap
But for now you want to prio AP/Crit after cap
slender scarab
yo guys having an issue with my stance dance macros kicking me off mount (an ez mount type addon)
so for instance, i am used from pservers my charge macro being my battle stance macro so i have to double tap to charge and one tap to change to that stance
lusty robin
Not very expressive - what's the issue?
if you're using those addons, any action that would require you to be dismounted (e.g. charge) is going to dismount you
if you're macroing charge to bstance and trying to just use that button to change stances while mounted... yeah it's gonna dismount you
either get a separate, stance only, keybind for changing while mounted, or just stop using that addon
gleaming karma
@solar matrix no
misty bolt
Tank btw 😂 fucking love WW + WF
woven torrent
WF totem is good stuff
restive wharf
so for dual weild fury its faster weapon in off hand correct?
distant saffron
lower DPS weapon in OH
fiery zephyr
I'll admit i haven't looked that close, but where can i find info about when/if to spec DW or 2H fury? Playing Orc.
dinged 60, and doing fine as arms atm
for instance, is DW better pre-raid?
i know the addons, classicbis-site states it is...but then you read that 2H is great. But maybe that's later, when you can get your hands on bonereaver's edge etc?
appreciate the input ❤
distant saffron
no, 2H is better in MC
when you get DB and you have a good OH (aka a BWL OH) go Dw
woven torrent
Soon 59. I might not get my epic when hitting 60 😭
distant saffron
nice
distant saffron
windfury
fiery zephyr
ye
rocky geyser
classic down?
crimson jay
ye, beta's over
gilded yew
@burnt light thanks pal
zenith cradle
How is Weapon speed normalization in 1.12?
Is brianhacker any good with wep speed 2.1
modest idol
edgy holly
hi I can't find the answer, is it true that [Hand of Justice] and [Force of Will] both drop from both General Angerforge and Emperor?
warm granite
both
kindred turret
What do you guys reckon is the next 2h upgrade after the WW axe? Been looking at the Mara weapons but that's a lot of AP lost in favor of weapon damage
covert mango
Bone biter from SM quest is a small upgrade. After that, go for 2H mace from last boss in Ulda?
I lucked out and bought Executioners for 10g
kindred turret
Thanks for the tip
twin oar
I played classic for like 10 levels or so and decided I don't really efel like playing it
But sometimes I feel like I wanna
then I think about it
and i don't
help
crimson jay
twin oar
WHen is phase 2?
open bane
soonTM
twin oar
Which EU PvP realm has the most population?
Which server would be the safest?
Anyone?
fading maple
got a 1500G offer for a lionheart helm recipe, what do you guys think?
solar matrix
no
go higher
if you are on abig server
and that's the only one
he will make that back
in like
3 crafts
purely from fees
open bane
go higher
people will pay any price atm
hugely important for serious guilds to have that
1k is nothing
gleaming karma
Yeah thats fucking wild you have that right now
misty bolt
cuz its bis-bis ?
gleaming karma
People want bis
solar matrix
entire point of end game in a game like classic is min/maxing ur dude
lionheart is BIS till the servers go down
and can be gotten RIGHT now
so every 1 is thirsty
woven torrent
Lionheart also looks amazing
Corejo is gonna use that pfp with his wannabe lh helmet forever
gleaming karma
woven torrent
I am still angry that i sold edgemasters cheap
Looks like no one is buying it for 1k yet, but could have gotten at least 700 for it
open bane
put it up for alot on AH
serious guild will PM you
they want it and they can get a couple thousand gold in an instant
glacial estuary
its bis and of course you want it, but getting it instantly and paying insane amounts seems like the dumbest idea ever when you can kill all content with the worst of gear.
glacial estuary
if you can clear the content with people who are underlvld and undergeared you dont need BIS epic shit to kill the boss
glacial estuary
yes but if you purchase an item right away when its overpriced just because its BIS
you might be a bafoon
thats all im saying
I guess if you have infinite gold and nothing to use it on buy the hat but that isnt 99% of the players.
woven torrent
A guild will gather together all their money for it
Sell it while people are desperate
open bane
if you have a serious guild on your server they dont want to be at the mercy of some other guild if they nee d to make like 15
glacial estuary
What is a serious guild?
woven torrent
No lifers
glacial estuary
I suspect those people would be the ones taking advantage of people who have a specific idea.
misty bolt
cunning plover
So do I spam Battle Shout or Demo Shout to hold aggro?!
prisma meteor
Demo
cunning plover
It generates more threat than Battle Shout?
meager field
demo isn't viable anymore
It's ok for initial threat, but it is beyond useless after that.
BS generates almost 0 threat if any at all. Despite what guides say.
worn blaze
Do I put the higher damage weapon in main hand or the faster weapon
frosty haven
you cant effectively aoe tank anymore, make smaller pulls and keep sunders up @cunning plover
demo for debuff bshout for some extra threat/refresh buff
bshout threat is a bit fucky, i think it has to do with your party member's proximity to you and the mobs
rapid elk
so no more arms tanking? or can you still manage that leveling
plush hatch
@woven torrent bruh you sold edgemasters how cheap
literlaly everyone warrior would've been triyng to buy that had you waited
solar matrix
rapid elk
that's what happnes when people abuse shit
hot quartz
layering memes?
rapid elk
should be perma banned imo
theres a difference between intentionally abusing it, and happening to stumble upon it
glacial estuary
Yep its called Exploiting for some reason some think its on the dev still tho which is quite a detachment
proper light
i mean if ur layering inside dungeons should know its not blizzlike
and shouldn't keep doing it
rapid elk
ItS tHe DeVs FaUlT
rapid elk
layering inside instances to kill bosses repeatedly over and over getting bis gear and large amounts of gold
glacial estuary
Yes Lit it is, shall we Yeet it up fellow kids! 😃
ruby kiln
It’s also next year
fresh tendon
TBH it is the devs fault but hey
fresh tendon
It’s not like it wasn’t said that layering would cause stupid issues like this
misty bolt
complete the game from spamming an exploit
ruin the economy etc
you deserve to get fucked no questions
fresh tendon
You know there is this thing called item removal
Blaming someone for taking advantage of a way to get ahead that you left in because of a lack of testing on your part is omegalul
Literally how do you not catch that
misty bolt
it would prolly be too hard or impossible to just delete gold and items
damage has been done
fresh tendon
Replacing people mid dungeon is such a common thing
And you don’t test that?
No it wouldn’t be
They remove items from people all the time in retail and they’ve done it before on dupes
misty bolt
not a really a common thing at all
distant saffron
im not saying that the system is faultless
but saying that people dont deserve bans for this is dumb
fresh tendon
Basically cheated because of an incompetency on blizzards part
fresh tendon
Nobody asked for layering either
distant saffron
2 wrongs dont make a right
misty bolt
this fucks over the whole server
when you spam your cheated mats/recipes/gear whatever the fuck onto AH
fresh tendon
Again, these people who are being banned are having the items and gold removed
So what’s the point of the ban
distant saffron
Because its a punishment?
If you rob a bank, you dont just get the money you stole taken back
misty bolt
if some1 drops some money on the floor and you immediately take it do you not deserve to get fucked ?
fresh tendon
That’s such a false equivalency
misty bolt
thats the same thing
fresh tendon
It’s not though
misty bolt
ppl got permaed for less too so they still lucky
distant saffron
^^
It was so blindingly obvious that it wasnt intended
If you abused it, you have no excuse for saying "I didnt realise it was a bug"
fresh tendon
Either it's all okay or none of it is okay, exploiting the system to grind xp is ok, exploiting it to grind dungeons or raids isn't topkek
prisma meteor
Exploitation is never acceptable or condonable.
fresh tendon
@hot quartz because both are exploiting the same system, one is being punished the other isn't
hot quartz
both don't have the same impact on the game/its economy
the fact that they would let it slide for one and not the other seems pretty reasonable
fresh tendon
Then their ToS is meaningless
As a reminder, Blizzard’s End User License Agreement 2 defines cheats as “methods not expressly authorized by Blizzard, influencing and/or facilitating the gameplay, including exploits of any in-game bugs, and thereby granting you and/or any other user an advantage over other players not using such methods.”
^from the blue post
hot quartz
yeah
and they might decide to enforce the rules more or less severely depending on the impact of the exploit the player used
or a variety of other factors
ultimately it's up to them
fresh tendon
Then they shouldn't have banned anyone who used the potion xp bug in retail lmao
open bane
the system was implemented to be used that way out of dungeons
it wasnt intended to be available in dungeons
thats the difference
fresh tendon
Layering was hardly intended for you to be able to do what Joker did
or w/e his name is
It was intended to just lessen the clog of areas on your specific server, not to infinitely spawn mobs on demand
You think that doesn't have an impact on the server? When you can use that to easily gold farm?
open bane
no it doesnt every server has all farm spots permanently camped on all layers atm
fresh tendon
Especially if the mob type drops a valuable item?
open bane
if he made like 500g early in the first few days thats largly irellevant
fresh tendon
Lmao it's not
500g regardless of when it is, is still a large amount of money in classic
open bane
I can only tell you the people farming make more than that a day atm
fresh tendon
ya'll the same type of people who supported the xp pot ban on retail but now it's ok to not apply the rule equally
open bane
wat
frosty haven
sometimes it be like that
gusty ginkgo
Have blizzard posted anything about the classic exploiters? Any official post?
open bane
short term bans while they investigate and permabans if they find extensive abuse
thats what I was told so far idk if theres a blue post specifically saying that yet
gusty ginkgo
Okay 🙂
open bane
that is the standard approach theyve had in those cases iirc
frosty haven
plush hatch
honestly wow is gonna have shit like this that pops up frmo time to time being as large scale as it is
i feel they just do this so people are scared of exploiting anything ever
slender scarab
What should i do with greens? Should i try selling them on auction house? Im lvl 14 rn
west sigil
never bothered with selling shit at ah and could easily afford mount at 40
gleaming karma
I only sold the greens that were decent
west sigil
probably worth selling is the cloth gear with int+stam on it
slender scarab
And light leather? Auction house?
gleaming karma
i bought light leather like day 4 for 90c each
slender scarab
Ok ty
And i can tank dungeons at this lvl no problem right?
Shield and battlestance?
gleaming karma
open bane
ye theres a few outlier dungeons where trash is oof but almost anything is no issue with 2h
like maraudon plants are kinda oof
or the end of uldaman
distant saffron
@gleaming karma Silithid pox :pepelaugh:
distant saffron
yes, weapon damage
feral cliff
does shield slam cause flat threat + threat from damage? is it better to slam if i need threat than sunder? (Assuming 5 sunder already on)
feral cliff
even if sunder not stacked?
distant saffron
Slam
feral cliff
thanks man
slender scarab
Is it worth doing ragefire chasm early on?
spring cedar
what are thoughts on WW axe vs ravager (horde so no bonebiter)?
on 14 runs of armory with no ravager drop, and from what i've read ww axe is technically better due to stats
nocturne reef
anyone making use of gear-set addons in classic?
woven torrent
Ravager is better for tanking
spring cedar
It gets replaced by stuff from mara or uld though, so it wont even last very long in that
slender scarab
You should save ravager for later use imo, the ww effect is too good for some packs later on like zf pyramid
Or boosting yer noob friends through rfc
covert mango
Thrash blade or Antu Sul mace for tanking?
glossy venture
for 1h fury - do I care much about weapon speed?
fiery mica
Leveling is brutal. As soon as I hit 20, can I just grind dungeons to 60?
distant saffron
@glossy venture Yes and No
At lower gear levels on ally, just go with a higher DPs weapon
At higher gear levelsm you want something faster to dump rage
On horde you USUALLY want slower weapons to take advantage of WF
glossy venture
does offhand speed matter at all - or is that just stats & dps?
distant saffron
stats and DPS
glossy venture
cool - thanks for the insight 😄
distant saffron
Faster weapons are somewhat preferable due to Unbridled as well as slightly smoother rage gen
misty bolt
Its fucking Ravager bro 
just get it
olive merlin
Does classic wow have a simulation website like Raidbots?
mellow island
at this point I wonder if classic has actual data, let alone tools that utilize it...
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/bug-hit-tables/185675/11 <- that post is so incredibly incredibly confusing
So, at this point in time, with no actual data being confirmed by blizz are any of the numbers around even trustworthy?
like, is the 40% glancing blows even legit? what about the actual penalty? I found claims reaching from 30% reduction at -15 to 0 at -5 or sometimes only 0 at 0 delta.
mellow island
so with edgemasters and an axe on orc we're at 5.3% base miss? what about dw?
distant saffron
mellow island
yeah, I'm asking for a double check on my maths
novel nova
is DW fury best spec as horde, or is there some kind of 2h spec better thanks to WF?
mellow island
I'd actually like to run the maths on Edgemaster completely, but so far I've been frustrated by basically garbage data and lack of information. Optimizing white damage for rage generation is much more complex then a simple "don't use XYZ" could possibly cover
novel nova
so 2h fury or arms? im lvl 59 and been doing well as dw fury in dungeons but just got the sword from lbrs last boss
mellow island
Same for weapon speeds. It should be obvious by the very nature of rage generation that there are native brackets of weaponspeed/dps that generate a lot more rage than others
twin oar
2h fury
novel nova
aight, i'll spec to 2h fury cheers
mellow island
@distant saffron so you don't intend to clarify on that statement above?
distant saffron
Which statement?
twin oar
im guessing nevr play arms in raids
distant saffron
Lose 30% haste, 20% damage buff, and the best scaling damage ability in the game
mellow island
namely?
distant saffron
In return for an ability that knocks off good debuffs
twin oar
bt
distant saffron
Bloodthirst
mellow island
uhm, ah, you're at the arms/fury again
distant saffron
BT is insane compared to MS
mellow island
doesn't really have anything to do with edgemasters
distant saffron
Edgemasters you get 0.7 hit, 0.7 -dodge, and reduce glancing penalty by an avg of 10%
In return for breaking devilsaur
Which is a loss of 2 hit, 1 crit, 28 AP
Your hit cap still stays at 6% with edgemasters, so you need to fill in 2 extra hit elsewhere, further reducing your crit/AP
That enough explanation for you?
mellow island
yes and no, it's the core, and while those 2 hit are a problem, problems can be solved, and when optimizing for white damage and rage generation I don't see it as quite that clear cut. 0.7hit and 0.7 -dodge functionally are equal to 1.4hit?
junior pumice
Is devilsaur still better than edgemaster if you are not orc
distant saffron
That's not how the hit table works
You Need to remove the 2 hit extra
And you dont optimize for white damahe
We arent rogues
mellow island
hit gets deducted from miss. dodge gets added to miss. glance gets added to that, and the rest is available for hit/crit
anything wrong there?
distant saffron
Dodge doesnt get added to miss
You remove 0.7 from 6, you still need 6 to hit cap
mellow island
unless .3miss is acceptable?
distant saffron
It is not
-0.7 miss is also not the same dps increase as -0.7 dodge
You get rage refunded on a dodge, and you can use overpower
The minimal increase to glancings is also somewhat mediocre
Tldr the bonuses you gain are outweighed by devilsaur, as edgemasters only really benefits whites
mellow island
ignoring rage production...
fiery zephyr
@distant saffron are current pre-raid BIS lists recommending DW simply because of poor weapon availability in that bracket? Curious why everyone, including streamers seem to opt for DW this early on
mellow island
because it has anice and stable damage?
fiery zephyr
😄
mellow island
Burst vs stable...
you probably also tell people to always take the slowest weapon they can?
distant saffron
Nope
But that's mostly because I actually played in a guild where I needed fast weapons
Weapon speed is dependant on loads of factors across your fight/raid
mellow island
but you can completely ignore it when talking about weapon skill, I see
distant saffron
Wat
mellow island
Nevermind, I'll muddle through, the question is interesting enough to spend time on it.
slender scarab
edgemasters not worth it as human?
slender scarab
yeah
was thinking of getting a deathbringer and then using edges but its cheesy
better leave it for the gnomes
raven walrus
@mellow island 🤔
west sigil
what enchant on ww axe (lvl 40 currently)
spring cedar
so i asked earlier but to clarify, if i'm not planning on spamming dungeons is it worth it to overly farm ravager? had horrible luck so far and haven't seen it in like 3 levels worth of runs. i'm thinking just pass it up and replace ww axe with feralas quest, or the uld/mara 2h. thoughts?
all the reading i've done is showing that the stats on the ww more than make up for the slightly higher damage range on the ravager, and the proc is situational at best
summer stratus
Correct. Only stick around for rav if you are dungeon farming
spring cedar
thank you! just wanted someoen to tell me it wasn't worth it lol
dusty herald
getting armor smithing as a proficiency is a pain in the dick lol
olive barn
If ive already made it to 35 without getting close to my WW axe, Bonebiter from SM quest is a fine replacement right?
olive barn
That’s what I thought by looking at it but never see it mentioned so I wasn’t sure
I’m past the point of WW being useful for me. I’ll have a lot less time invested in this one
spring cedar
yeah i mean i got carried to ww at 32 so i got a good 9 levels out of it, but at your point try to get carried through cath and get bonebiter
and you're set for awhile
olive barn
I couldn’t even get the folks doing bloodscalps for OTHER quests to group up and gave up. Haha.
Shouldn’t be too terrible to get a cathedral run in
misty bolt
I got it at 35 and its useful af
Gone from absolute loser lowest dps to carrying dungeon runs with top dps as tank
dusty herald
A level 44 mace blanchard's stout was worse than the ww axe enchanted with +5 striking so things are just messed up lol
frosty haven
stuff like bonebiter and rockpounder are better,
ravager is pretty close
spring heron
What did ya'll do for the charms they're way overpriced on my server and having wwaxe at 32 seems like a godsend
frosty haven
@spring heron if you cant find help, then just skip it imo
try and get bonebiter/ravager
summer stratus
I finished ww at 31. Started at 30. Bought the cheap charms. Dual boxed trollls then dual boxed with a third helper for the rest of charms. Random 39 war killed Cyc for us. Well worth it. Top dps ever since except the first couple armory runs when only 36
Enger use whichever you get. 2% is a lot of crit though
frosty haven
the slower speed is nice on stoneslayer, but the damage proc is garbanzo beans
rockpounder is way better
light stump
alright thx
light stump
but isnt sword spec better than mace? (i never tried both of them so)
summer stratus
I wouldn’t respec for either one for lvling
light stump
really?
summer stratus
How quickly do you want to get up to those 50g respec fees?
dusky pagoda
Hey, does this look like a legit and versatile tanking build for a prot warrior?
(Versatile in terms of being able to tank dungeons, do a bit of soloing, PvP and perhaps raids) or is it ooof?
frosty haven
you should really pick up cruelty in fury
dusky pagoda
Yea, but then I can't pick impale.
Which honestly might be a good chance as I won't have much crit as a prot warrior anyway
frosty haven
https://classicdb.ch/?talent#LV0xzZVZxizseMkVo
this one is pretty standard
you wont be very good in pvp with a deep prot build fwiw, raid tanking and dungeon tanking will be fine
you might have trouble in solo content if your really undergeared
you also can consider a deep fury tank build if you want the better flexibility
dusky pagoda
yea but from what I've heard, it's not good for "new" tank players
frosty haven
i dont see why
summer stratus
Impale isn’t that amazing especially in that situation
grim pawn
What's the benefit from slower weapons, being as normalized weapon speeds for instants applies
summer stratus
If you want to be decent in pvp you take ms
Also the build keladan linked is much better.
Wf procs off all of your instant attacks kahuna. There’s a handful of reasons though
grim pawn
Ahhh, that could be valid
misty bolt
only r1
burnt sun
At what Lvl do you think I could start farming the elementals in arathi for the charms needed for the ww-questline?
burnt sun
afaik they're 38-39, but they're bleed and slow immune..
hot quartz
check your AH for cheap charms
burnt sun
Cresting Charms are up to 70 silver each..it's killing me x)
harsh orbit
Welcome to we know there's a lot of warriors that want this and will empty their coffers for this pricing.
hot quartz
hidden oasis
hi, should i use Krol Blade as tank or sell it?
plain carbon
Goblin or Gnome Engineering? I hear Goblin is better for PvP, Gnome for PvE
lone whale
gnome has the battle chicken,goblin is all about things going boom
rich musk
do revenge and overpower share a cd?
hot quartz
ye
rich musk
😦
spiral plume
I feel like i don't remember swapping weapons putting me on gcd for shield bash macro
am i going crazy
dim acorn
hey im new to WoW but im trying to level as a tank prot-warrior, im currently trying to tank Uldaman and ZF and people are asking for big pulls but im having issues holding aggro on bigger grps. usually my rotation starts by screaming/shouting at the mobs then politely handing out sunder armors. is sword and board with prot not good for that? should i change to a 2h for tanking and learn to switch to shield midfight? should i respec out of prot till i get higher level? should i flame my dps for not waiting?
west sigil
"should i flame my dps for not waiting?" -yes
dim acorn
fuck mages
frosty haven
@dim acorn since they bugfix for demo shout, aoe threat gen has been neutered pretty hard
if you want snap aoe aggro you'll have to go arms for sweeping strikes, combined with 2h and a WW cast should be enough for a pack
pulling big without a shield can get pretty risky, in general its not that viable of a strat unless your dps know how to kite
dim acorn
word thank you guys
harsh orbit
delete the whole dungeon
Once every 30 minutes but yes
misty bolt
Cant go BIG all the time ofc 
quasi saffron
So the /sit crit mechanic for bloodcraze doesn't work in classic??
novel dragon
guys think boots of avoidance worth it for 45g?
slender scarab
Hey guys i wanna go on a server with a good amount of players, should i choose a server with high population then? There also full servers with like 10 mins wait time that would be ok for me, so what would be best?
sharp spear
Heya, so I have alche/herbalism both at around 215 - thinking of changing to engineering. Would it be worth changing to mining/eng or keeping herb/engineering? I’m lvl 37 btw
plush root
Hrm. Interesting
distant saffron
Stop posting that text dump
Its completely baseless
The one akmandor posted is correct
open bane
I had butchered images of 9 calculator results strung together with explanations of them in bug reports before kekek
plush root
Well I was going thru my guild discord. Saw that with the mith spike buff. Thought it may have been true. But good to know. Hopefully we can get our hit rolling
distant saffron
Just itemize as nornal
timid scarab
Does this look like a good 60 dungeon build?
The deep wounds is for thunder clap pulls
solar matrix
really dont need to be prot for dungeons
dreamy ice
I mean if all you want to do is tank then ye
31/5/15 is a good tanking build
Means you can have some fun outside of instances
Also that build isn't good
Too many useless points in arms, missing prot talents and cruelty
open bane
only true prot build is 0/0/51
blissful zenith
would this work as a 2H Fury (Alliance) since i'll probably walk into MC/Ony without having the gear to dual wield
distant saffron
yes, but the gear requirement to DW on ally is a lot smaller than you think
blissful zenith
thing is i kind of got some of the items that are in the pre-bis list from quests for DW and i sold em (lol) so i have to run ubrs/blackrock to get some hit rate items and get some weapons and i don't think i'll have the time for it
distant saffron
ok 1) whats your current gear 2) whens your next raid
blissful zenith
tonight and i'm at work until 1 hour before the raid and its basically all crit % increase gear got nothing that increases my hit rate at this point , i have Dreadforge as a weapon
got around 23% crit
with berker stance
jade fog
Beer already raiding 👀
blissful zenith
not gonna lie its exciting cause i never did anything in classic except leveling so its all new to me
jade fog
Im super casual
blissful zenith
just get 60 until P2 and pvp
distant saffron
what race are youy
blissful zenith
human
sharp spear
Heya, so I have alche/herbalism both at around 215 - thinking of changing to engineering. Would it be worth changing to mining/eng or keeping herb/engineering? I’m lvl 37 btw
charred terrace
do i ever slam as a dps warrior? I used it a bit and i didnt know it resets your swing timer
twin oar
you can play around that I think
blissful zenith
from what i know you just use it as a filler
charred terrace
but is it worth the rage cost? its basically a heroic strike for more rage since it resets the swing timer
twin oar
idk
charred terrace
im gonna go dual wield
twin oar
I don't think it's that good
charred terrace
id assume i wont pool enough rage that early in the game
so ill be sitting at low rage most of the time due to bt/ww
blissful zenith
even if it soudns a bit weird , there are logs for classic bosses on warcraft logs
so you can see what the fury warriors are doing
charred terrace
i want to show this
blissful zenith
yeah true
blissful zenith
charred terrace
can u pm me those
cus im at work atm and cant open, can only look through my phone
and ill send em when i get back home
charred terrace
i havent even reaserched anything
about fury yet
there are 100% some neat little tricks
like animation cancelling or whatnot
distant saffron
animations are client side, not server side
they are made in response to actions, not the other way around
You could make a text based client and it would be exactly the same
distant saffron
yes
and doing some maths
to maximise DW uptime
tho if ur in a good guild it wont matter too much in MC
charred terrace
wym by that
distant saffron
because fights are below 30 seconds
so you can just pop it at will in a month or so
charred terrace
btw
if i ever
open with reck and dw
do i insta die to aggro
considering i wait
for 3 sunders for example
distant saffron
waiting for 3 sunders :pepega:
fuck
I hate this no external emotes thing
5 sunders should be up in first global of the fight
charred terrace
so i guess i hold a bit longer then?
distant saffron
Are you horde or ally
charred terrace
horde
distant saffron
then you pray to fucking god
charred terrace
pray for the windfury proc on pull with the reck and dw
4Head
regarding emotes just download betterdiscord
exotic cove
Is one-hand specialization a good talent for prot war?
dreamy ice
not really
there's some wiggle room in the last 5-10 points you can fit it in but it isn't a priority
your 1h doesn't generate a lot of threat and the defensive talents are more important
depends how deep you are going into prot of course
exotic cove
I was more thinking if it was more worth it than some of the other talents that don't really add much threat/survivability
placid willow
I currently have a level 21 warr I'm enjoying playing. I prefer to run dungeons to level instead of questing. Are there any dungeons before SM that are good to spam? I intend to run cleave groups once in SM
dreamy ice
it is but there aren't many of those until you get to like 35+ prot @exotic cove
in which case sure but if you want to keep TM/cruelty you'll have to cut something for it
sharp spear
anyone have some advice on professions and respeccing?
woven torrent
Mining skinning @sharp spear
sharp spear
@woven torrent i have alche/herbalism both at around 215 - thinking of changing to engineering. Would it be worth changing to mining/eng or keeping herb/engineering? I’m lvl 37 btw
woven torrent
How much cash you got?
sharp spear
140g
misty bolt
Engi is kinda a gold sink
sharp spear
is it worth it though?
prisma meteor
In Vanilla, I did mining/blacksmithing while leveling up then dropped mining for enchanting at 60 after getting my epic mount and gold was farmable. Herb/alchemy now for ease.
misty bolt
Engi is worth 100% if you wanna pvp
sharp spear
@misty bolt yeah? reckon worth swapping now?
prisma meteor
Prot if leveling via dungeons. Arms for dps leveling then 2hand fury at 60.
pure ledge
prisma meteor
A big weapon. That’s very important. Horde has it easier with a slam build with Windfury but it can work with alliance.
Once you get hit/capped, dw fury will do more damage.
misty bolt
Gz 😄
agile elm
How in the world do you guys have Epic mounts 😂
Trying hard to get 100gold 👀
And why dont you have boots🤔
frosty haven
dont train all your skills, just the important ones
farm and sell stuff
agile elm
DE all my greens mining only buy some skills but man👀
frosty haven
you can make decent money just vendoring dungeon blues
frosty haven
eh not really, if you can farm a dungeon like ZF or mara, sell the loot and reset the dungeon. you can make 1k gold about a week
its really boring
and you might run into the dungeon reset cap
since they fixed the exploit
agile elm
👀whuut
frosty haven
each blue item sells for like 1-3g, with 9 bosses or so you can make 15g per run
do that 50 times or so
and you have 1kg
or just get lucky with boe's
or crafting
frosty haven
probably not well
main hemlock
just loot edgemasters
dense shore
so as human once I get hit cap should focus on crit or more ap for the slots that norm would use hit chance?
frosty haven
hit loses value once you reach cap, but its not a hard cap as you still gain auto attack hit rating past the softcap
but yeah in general AP and crit become more of the focus once you reach the softcap
dense shore
Trying decide if 1 Crit and ap is better than 2 crit
frosty haven
1% crit + 1 ap vs 2% crit?
dense shore
cool
solar matrix
s
distant saffron
haha
2 weeks
2 fucking weeks of agony figuring out this dumb fucking bug
except its not 1
not 2
but 3 SEPERATE BUGS
solar matrix
spaghet
empty orbit
wtf does asmon cry about rets in his raid when blessing of kings is amazing for raiding (if annoying to reapply all the time)
frosty haven
because you can just have holy apply the buff instead
empty orbit
ah i didnt know that
i dont play classic, i just watched the stream. (spinal dropped and big drama)
frosty haven
but the real OP buff is blessing of salv
empty orbit
I played back in the day though, and I consider palas better than shammies for speed clearing raids.
frosty haven
wrong
windfury totem is much more raid dps than blessings
empty orbit
shammies heal better though
frosty haven
but pally buffs are way better for progress
empty orbit
yeah but it bugs out a bunch, and isnt mobile, and limited ot group.
frosty haven
and paladins are higher on logs atm for HPS so not sure which are better, at least in phase 1
in general the rule is blessings are better for prog and totems are better for speedrusn
empty orbit
The Axemen ravencrest did a very famous speed clear video of MC like during late MC (or bwl, i forget). Their speed was amazing and blew our minds in Public Enemies (server first horde guild same server at the time).
frosty haven
i'm guessing this is back in 05 or 06
empty orbit
Honestly, at the time, we werent that happy with shammies. You could meme as a warrior with wf in the group, but as often as not, it would bug out an encounter, like totems aggrowing the little bugs on twin emperors.
meanwhile, palas gave mobile, extra AP buff that stacked, and lots more healer mana
frosty haven
the modern meta from recent private servers generally favors horde for speedruns ¯_(ツ)_/¯
at least from what i've gathered
empty orbit
might be a case of "greener grass" but we viewed it as "palas better, shammy more fun"
frosty haven
right now alliance are dominating, but i attribute that due to a lack of TPS output by main tanks in horde guilds
salv working hard
but once tfurys start cropping up
empty orbit
ours had thunderfury back then, quite early.
frosty haven
i expect the speed kills to go the other way
grim turtle
Is the talent guide for DPS warrior legit on IV?
frosty haven
overall probably yeah, but for pure physical dps no way @empty orbit
empty orbit
sure a group with a shammy and 4 warriors is probably gonna do more dmg (than replacing the shammy with a pala), but a group with 5 warriors with kings from outside the group might do better
i forget, can you have both kings and might?
(from different palas i guess? man its been ages)
cause thats might and kings from 2 palas, who can also do healing, covering whole raid right
frosty haven
i play horde, not too sure
empty orbit
and then compared to bringing shammies for every group with totems that have to be recast durin the fight etc
frosty haven
well yeah you'd have up to 8 shamans
but probably less
since you wont have ALL melee dps
empty orbit
yeah
frosty haven
but shamans are strong primary healers
so its not like you're hurting the raid by stacking them
empty orbit
nono they can heal for sure
distant saffron
@frosty haven have you seen Ahlaundohs logs
literally not even prebis and piping
distant saffron
The reason so many guilds go ally is because its safer
buthorde has higher DPS potential
empty orbit
yeah higher life, crit, not dependent on totems that get killed, have range, and need to be recast every minute
distant saffron
imagine needing threat reduction
empty orbit
and no need to hit zerker stance to avoid fears as tank.
open bane
currently its a bit oof if I crit a few times on opener cuz im a bit "overgeared" compared to the tanks but aside from that kek
distant saffron
@frosty haven do you have the ony group screenshot
frosty haven
i dont
gleaming karma
you like to see it
distant saffron
our ony speedkill roster
empty orbit
lol
frosty haven
🙃
distant saffron
I miss vanguard 😢
empty orbit
that sort of thing doesnt really prove anything one way or the other though
other than warriors (geared ones) are great in classic
distant saffron
well with the way WF works in classic
Shamans are even more OP
Cause you can actually rage dump now as horde
empty orbit
in classic, we gave hand of ragnaros to our shammy
he never ever did well on meters.
ever.
open bane
idk if its good for anything but ret paladins
iron lantern
Im new to WOW and have been loving classic but... I don't know any good leveling tips.. Im lv 11 rn
empty orbit
get a premium leveling addon, and learn to use it
thats what i hear anyway. I havnt done it myself.
iron lantern
Ill have to look into that.. I have quest addons but thats about it
and swing timer
empty orbit
they are essentially just quest addons
that kinda guide you through the game hitting quests with little travel time and green mobs mostly
iron lantern
oh
empty orbit
thats another tip- stick to green mobs, as yellow give too long downtime
iron lantern
I use classic coddex. Its helpful with seeing where quests are but not so much with mobs themselves
maybe im not using it to its full potential
misty bolt
I love how classic warrior pvp is either you get fucked or 2-3 shot the other guy
dusty herald
mmm feels good
sharp spear
Reckon it’s crucial to go mining/eng or can go herb/eng?
Will having mining save me heaps of cassssh?
dusty herald
i cant remember if SS affects whirlwind or not
misty bolt
Them retaliation pulls 
little wolf
does defiance affect demo shout threat? even with demo shout spam and dynamite im still kinda struggling
dusty herald
is 50 more dmg on top end worth losing the 5% crit from axes ?
yes its legit 50+ dmg difference on top end for me the first item ive gotten that has been an actual dmg upgrade
tame nova
Is Mark of Kern good?
open bane
the only problem you have if you get that staff is that you didnt pick thrash blade
tawdry quiver
Any deep sneaky wisdom on how to grind weapon skills at level 45?
dusty herald
yeah but im going to farm instances at 60 prolly just try and get dalrends set for dual weild it doesnt show thrashblade as good for pre-raid bis dps
pine marlin
@tawdry quiver For grinding weapon skills - there is one trick for ranged skills. Find a mob with infinite ranged attacks - like troll axethrower mobs in Arathi, buy the lowest dmg ammo/thrown weapon you can, get to distance with them and just start throwing. Since they are also ranged, they won't close to melee, allowing you to shoot arrows/fire bullets/throw stuff at them as long as you like. If you're killing them too fast, you can strip off other gear to reduce your damage and grind on one mob longer.
uncut mortar
Thoughts on the planned talent choices? Just rolled my Prot warrior (troll) finally for dungeon tanking and I’m planning to 1) get to Anger Management first, 2) push down the Prot tree to get SS, 3) max points into Defiance, then 4) go for Deep Wounds and Impale for more threat from crits in late game dungeons. I don’t think I’ll be doing much raid tanking though, so this build doesn’t really have MC in mind.
distant saffron
Just go standard arms build
dark pike
can some1 link me the standard arms build for tanking
misty bolt
just the normal levelling arms build
SS at 30 MS at 40
rest random fury traits
something like that
axe spec for orc mace/sword for human
dark pike
thanks
exotic cove
How worth it is Iron Will for pve?
distant saffron
Not worth
vagrant sorrel
Is there any threat meter that is preferable?
topaz cedar
I wonder what a sweeping strikes tank build is like? Does SS stay active if you pop in battle and then back to defensive?
misty bolt
Yes
distant saffron
yes
cinder echo
when dual wielding 1handers, do you aim for slow swinging MH, and fast OH?
distant saffron
As a general rule yes
Theres situations where that changes but 98% of players dont need to worry about that
cinder echo
i see, ty
distant saffron
OH speed doesnt matter too much, so dont get hung up on it like rogues do
exotic cove
Anticipation isn't really needed as a prot talent when you hit lvl 60 right
Or is that just when you get better gear
exotic cove
Wow, that bad huh
snow iris
any1 got a decent 2h fury build? mighht try 2h fury couse of WF (in raids)
prisma meteor
@snow iris are you playing Alliance or horde? Iirc there was a slight difference in cookie cutter builds for horde as wf an option.
snow iris
horde.. WindFury 😛
prisma meteor
Though different obviously if trying a 2hand slam build. I had that spec above and rocked it with The Untamed Blade. Then swooped between basic arms build and fury slam when I got Ashkandi.
snow iris
is unbridle warth rly worth it tho?
bitter sequoia
for cleave grps would u prefer fury or arms im 41 atm ?
snow iris
40% to get 1 rage on a wep with 3.7s speed seems like a waste of 5 points... or am i missing something
prisma meteor
You could go booming voice. Depends on if any other warrior also has it as highest rank wins out. It's lackluster but a filler. And chance at rage is chance at rage.
snow iris
true..true
@prisma meteor im far from bis gear-- but i got 6% hit and 22% crit in zerker and that 2h Axe from the emp in BrD... slam spec vs that spec u linked wich one do u recomend? edit: dident think of the fact that going Fuy i loose 5% crit from axe spec 😛
prisma meteor
Filler talents are filler talents. Hit the big ones then you have options for the others.
snow iris
@bitter sequoia im no expert but i would say Arms with Sweaping strike
tawdry quiver
Is there any rock solid data on whether it's best to stick with arms for MC/BWL or go straight into fury dual wield?
prisma meteor
This is based on experience in vanilla but go DW fury once you're hit capped. And also be cognizant that some damn good 2handers drop in BWL. I went Arms for MC, 2hand fury for BWL and then transitioned to DW in Black Temple.
frosty haven
you cant raid as arms due to the debuff cap
go fury once you decide to start raiding
you can play 2h fury if you dont have any 1h weapons
tawdry quiver
Is that in any way dependent on raid comp? My guild has like one warlock.
frosty haven
i mean you might be able to convince your group to let you have a debuff slot for MS, but that would be inting pretty hard
but a well crafted raid comp will have like 12 mandatory buffs, then a few floater ones for stuff like corruption/sw:pain
tawdry quiver
not in some tryhard guild.
guess I'll have a look at the raid comp and see if htere's space for MS/DW
frosty haven
it would still be better to play fury, bottom line
but you could play arms if you dont like fury for w/e reason
tawdry quiver
eh in a perfect world I'd lay arms just for pvp
*play
that's the source of the question
frosty haven
just most groups wont like you casting MS since it uses a debuff slot
Deep wounds wont be a problem since its a low priority debuff and wont overwrite the important ones
tawdry quiver
don't even know why I'm asking tbh lol
my vanilla guild smashed the entire xpac and we had 2 arms warriors
frosty haven
worst case scenario is you end up causing a wipe because the tank couldnt taunt due to MS overwriting taunt
prisma meteor
Worst part is actually when you see your big ol MS strike knocked off by a warlock's affliction.
prisma meteor
It was a joke. Warlock spells ok just vanilla often knock off a lot of things.
slender scarab
any macros?
lusty robin
Frankly, if you’re not in a try hard guild then it really doesn’t matter @tawdry quiver
People will tell you no Arms because of debuffs, and they’re right, but if you’re not class stacking, abusing weapon debuffs, and so on, the raid’s debuff economy isn’t going to matter that much anyway
It’s like people forgot that we successfully raided as Arms until late 2005/early 2006. Yeah it’s less optimal, and will probably be doing less damage than Fury anyway, but if your guild isn’t worried about min/maxing, then it’s up to you to decide how much you want to
molten perch
Now we are playing as a warriors, not like BFA, Stance Dancers baby!! 💪🏻😎
summer stratus
We had a bunch of arms warriors in vanilla because we were a pvp focused guild who raided just for some gear. I was main tanked as arms at that point in time just didn’t use ms ever.
misty bolt
sounds good but pvp wont be a real thing till p2-3 anyway
rich gate
Just hit 40 team and only played Warrior in Legion. When should I be working MS into an arms rotation? On CD when I have the rage or is there a more optimal 'rotation' now?
warped crow
Its basically your highest damage per rage skill as 2h arms I think
You want to prioritize whatever your highest damage per rage skills are basically
Possibly with sunder as a way of adding damage (hard to calculate, I think someone has a spreadsheet for damage per rage of sunder against quest mobs somewhere)
Which is pretty much MS > WW > Others
Sweeping strikes is top is it will spend all 5 charges
Sorry, Overpower > Sweeping strikes > WW (2 targets) MS > WW > Others
summer stratus
@misty bolt battleground pvp is inferior to world pvp. We had so much fun before battlegrounds came out. Bg pvp is people just grinding for gear.
topaz cedar
Is there a Sweeping Strikes / Prot Build? As in pull with sweeping strikes up and than go back into defensive? Like if you over gear some content but want to try and push for higher cleave damage
something like this:
https://classicdb.ch/?talent#LVuxzhboZZxizhe0zV
just did this real quick at work
topaz cedar
well I figured getting the sword spec would help with the sweeping strike cleave damage
distant saffron
ahh yes, your sick sweeping strikes with a 1Her