its the best spec in the game
#vanilla-discussion
frosty haven
misty bolt
For levelling
frosty haven
you realize you still get crit pretty often naturally,
and so what if a spec is bad for levelling
its classic its not supposed to be fair
misty bolt
Meh it really does stray from that no changes path it seems
frosty haven
there is no reason they should include sit abuse
it wasnt in vanilla
its a bug
frosty haven
you could never abuse sit crits in vanilla
misty bolt
Yet they included the tauren reach
frosty haven
tauren reach isnt a bug
idle shale
but to answer the question all of the systems and balance and everything is based on the final patch
tauren hitbox was in that patch
the content will be paced
but everything else is on the final patch of classic
frosty haven
sit crits being in "vanilla" is purely a pserver coding shortcut or laziness
well the abuse for sit crits
and the original kazzak bomb video is evidence that sit crits didnt actually do anything for reck stacks
if you watch he is spamming sit to fish for crits, but the amount of procs he was getting matched the rogue's crit chance pretty much spot on, meaning the sit spam did nothing
misty bolt
But you only need 1 crit for enrage and regen
frosty haven
yes, but sit crits dont count for that
the reason they worked on pservers is because it was lazy coding
so including sit abuse for classic wont happen
as its a needless change
and a bug
misty bolt
Nah just makes a clever use of game mechanics rng
solar matrix
Ok but you don't seem to understand
It's not a game mechanic
Sit crits proccing enrage
Didn't work in vanilla
So you're asking for a change to vanilla
To match a private server bug
frosty haven
pepega
slender scarab
Always funny watching private server cucks expected their shit to work on classic lol
frosty haven
some people just wanna level with 100% enrage/bloodcraze uptime smh my head
misty bolt
Without pservers there would be no classic so chill buddy @slender scarab
slender scarab
I just mean the little babies that want all the bugs on private servers to work buddy
misty bolt
The layering is more game breaking anyway, imagine farming one layer then instantly switching on another
solar matrix
yup the early economy is gonna b fucked
misty bolt
Hope it stays up for a month max
frosty haven
well its not going to be easy to swap layers, and it will be far less abuseable than shard hopping
frosty haven
yeah but good luck finding someone on other shards consistently
i dont think in game chat is cross layer, and once you group up once you are stuck on their layer
crimson jay
sit-crit Enrage procs are pserver thing because they are using backported TBC clients
or rather servers
uncut scroll
https://classic.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/BSczf9AEASQDzkUw
Thoughts, suggestions on my Arms/Prot hybrid?
solar matrix
for what purpose
uncut scroll
Mostly just plan on using it to level, pvp, DPS or tank without having to respec all the time.
distant saffron
Dps or tank in raids? 5mans?
solar matrix
ok so the thing is
For tanking 90% of content
youdont need prot talents
You're better off going a real arms spec and just using that
main hemlock
2h tanking BRD 4 hour run, I'm surprised the healer didn't leave
uncut scroll
Yeah I was two hand tanking up to BRD myself. But I'm just trying to make a spec that'll be able to go further in tanking while still be able to do everything else without sacrificing to much of anything. I'm on the fence about putting points between full two hand spec, or deflection. And if I should drop points from defiance to get more crit, or even drop more from defiance to get more armor. I went with more in defiance since I figured without shield slam my threat will suffer slightly.
distant saffron
Just go standard arms build for tanking dungeons tbh
uncut scroll
Well the top half of the prot tree is more than enough for BWL, at least that's as far as I've gotten with in back on nostalrius. I was just looking for input on those little tid-bits.
uncut scroll
Right, just don't use it on fights where the healing debuff isn't needed.
distant saffron
So what are you using otherwise?
Just spamming sunder?
You dont have the passive extra threat fron shield slam, nor the scaling from fury/prot
solar matrix
Yeah it's like
uncut scroll
Yeah it's pretty much Revenge, Sunder Armor, Heroic Strike.
solar matrix
yeah so for a huge amount of what you're doing
You just have dead talent points
That aren't doing anything for you
uncut scroll
Would you suggest Fury instead than? I've always preferred Arms.
distant saffron
If you want to tank, dps, and pvp in the same spec
You kinda cant
Ti has been playing a fuck ton of fury pvp
But hes r14 with thunderfury
solar matrix
Fury pvp is better than arms pve hto
distant saffron
Just go 32/19 and respec
Truthful
If ur too cheap to respec
You can just play fury pvp
uncut scroll
Aww, gotta kill my fun! 😛
solar matrix
i mean dude you do you
but if you're not being optimal anyway
No need to go some
mediocre at everything generalist spec
Just go the spec you actually want
And do all the content as it
main hemlock
fury blasts in pvp tbh, but arms is usable even with shit gear
remember 2 shotting people with fury
hallow otter
doubtful there are many people trying to pvp with 1.5k hp like they did
or will continue to pvp after they realize how badly they are outgeared
bright peak
Some people view it as a way to get gear. Some people wanted mounts.
All depends what they want
hallow otter
way to gear gear or mounts? relevant gear was lt comm to field marshall, mounts at comm
bright peak
Also, you could do a lot more than 1.5k damage in a global. You could get upwards of 3500-5k if lucky / geared / berserking
I know, I did the grind.
bright peak
I hit rank 11 3 times
hallow otter
would take months of getting dumpstered for that
solar matrix
and getting r10 for blue gear isnt that hard at all
distant saffron
Every single warrior should go r10 and WSG/AV exalted tbh
solar matrix
yea
bright peak
Truth.
solar matrix
Kinda is nice game design tbh
thats something thats nice about BC/vanilla
how good shit comes from such a variety of sources
bright peak
I loved using rank 10 shoulders helm for PvE and the PvE shoulders / helm of endless rage for PvP
solar matrix
and lasts you for so long
bright peak
I found it ironic
hallow otter
i found it boring as fuck
bright peak
Ironic to use the PvP gear for PvE and vice verse is what I meant
solar matrix
It's just good design
My favorite part about BFA tbh
was how it made me do arena
for the first time in a decade
To get azerite on uldir launch
bright peak
I disagree. It wasn’t good design imo.
hallow otter
i dont know why everyone wants pvp gear only for pvp etc
solar matrix
I think to be optimized you should have to do basically everything in the game
You think you should be able to laser focus on to o ne minigame
bright peak
Because of how the PvP system was designed and how it rewarded time over skill - it was terrible to funnel people into that . Rank 10 still took a lot of time
If the system was better designed I’d agree
solar matrix
I mean getting anything in vanilla takes time
Like yes it takes a long time to get r10
bright peak
I know. But that grind was an unhealthy grind.
solar matrix
But getting there gets you
basically a fullset of gear
It's not that much worse than the amount of time it would take you to get a full set of gear from any other avenue
hallow otter
vanilla rewarded time investment over pretty much everything else
bright peak
Because competing against your teammates + decay is great
hallow otter
why i dont understand why people are hyped to do it again
bright peak
I disagree with you canitnerd. I had a full set of bwl gear in significantly less time played in bwl / raid prepping than I did before I hit rank 11
hallow otter
depends
solar matrix
Getting a fullset of BWL gear
is going to take you
like multiple months
Unless you are just getting full prio funneled
bright peak
I specifically mean time spent playing the game in bwl raid and prepping for raid versus tome spent grinding in bfa
Bgs
hallow otter
our warlocks were all 4 piece before any of our priests were 2 piece
solar matrix
i dont feel like thats comparable because BWL is designed on a lockout system
its a grind vs a weekly reward
bright peak
That was starting when the honor system came out by the way.
hallow otter
guaranteed loot vs rng
hallow otter
i am still waiting to get toep
distant saffron
Ignore the fact that its a lot more time to get the gear
bright peak
Through molten core and then BWL. This wasn’t a funnel Riki gear thing
solar matrix
like you could run MC every week for the entire lifespan of classic
there's no guarantee you'll get your BRE
bright peak
I did the grind. I had the gear and I used it. I think I lost 20ish stamina and gained like 50 AP for it or something like that. And this was only AFTER they redid the rank 10 gear
solar matrix
PVP gear is just
idle shale
nothing starts with the system until phase 2 as well yeah? and then you're looking at like 2 months to get the rank 10 gear or something. 3 -4 months to get up to rank 14?
solar matrix
do X, get gear
idle shale
Sure it's amazing gear, but it's not like it's going to be flooding the servers
distant saffron
Don't talk to me about BRE :ree:
distant saffron
well, if Blizzard go through with this donkey drop thing they want to do
Then BRE will be a lot more common
solar matrix
what do you mean?
idle shale
what is donkey drop
distant saffron
No onslaught until BWL :lul:
solar matrix
Oh you mean
distant saffron
Tweet from Ion
solar matrix
The smaller drop tables
distant saffron
Gating raid items
bright peak
I agree with the concept @solar matrix that having gear coming from PvP that’s good is a good thing.
But I can’t actively support that in a system that was as flawed and unhealthy as the PvP grind was back then
solar matrix
i just dont feel like the PVP grind for blue gear
was nearly as unhealthy as you are portraying
especially in 1.12
bright peak
Have you done it?
distant saffron
4 more added in p2
solar matrix
i was general in vanilla
solar matrix
and i know my other friends who like
didnt grind nearly as hard as much
but just enjoyed PVP so did BGs a good amount
bright peak
Maybe it’s server dependent. But for alliance side where I was I loved waiting in 30 minute queues
idle shale
the blue gear, even in 1.12 is pretty close to BWL level right?
distant saffron
Yeah its good
bright peak
Rank 7-8 wasn’t bad.
distant saffron
Some of it is better as well
solar matrix
yea and at rank 8 you have the 4set
bright peak
10 was getting harder. Again I did it early in vanilla
bright peak
The two pieces that mattered where shoulder and helm. Weren’t they at 10?
distant saffron
Br breakpoints increase
bright peak
True
distant saffron
yee, head/shoulders are 10
bright peak
I loved when I went on vacation and lost 3/4 of a rank... at rank 10
idle shale
idk, I don't think it's that big of a deal if the pvp gear is good /shrug
solar matrix
1.12 rank system and cross server BGs
distant saffron
Its absolutely not
solar matrix
so no bad queues
it will be VERY easy to get the blue set without tryharding at all
distant saffron
Requires more effort than just some pepega dad guild going into BWL and getting crul every run
bright peak
I think easy is understating it personally but tome will tell
distant saffron
Can't wait to do r14 only for OH
god this game hates and loves warriors in equal measure
bright peak
Oof I mean what else would you use.
I do miss using off set armor types that where amazing
distant saffron
ED in main hand
bright peak
Use crown of destruction for a bit... ghoul skin tunic
distant saffron
ED MH/R14 OH is BiS until AQ, where you switch to ED/AWH, then to MSA/AWH in naxx
Or maybe not
depending on MSA proc rate
bright peak
Truth.
Stock up on either green dragon scales or ZG flask materials for Hugh
solar matrix
god MSA
bright peak
Huhu*
solar matrix
so comfy
distant saffron
so easy to get as well
solar matrix
trash farm :^))))))))
distant saffron
ez clap
then trash farm AQ40 with ur guild for AWH ofc
so go into first naxx raid with 2 epic weapons and an epic chest
bright peak
The real question is.... (assuming you have a guild lined up) are y’all planning on farming green dragons for Huhu or ZG
distant saffron
I mean thats not really a question
If you can contest Wdragons, you should
Hib crystal, other good loot
Deviate Cap
BiS mitigation bracers as well
bright peak
One guild had ~95% of all green dragon kills on my server. They kept killing them just to prevent other guilds from getting the scales. Eventually just stopped looting everything
So we went the ZG flask route
bright peak
Because fuck killing Huhu in mauradon gear
gleaming karma
I wonder what a beta is for 🤔
distant saffron
@gleaming karma Oh I know
distant saffron
Kinda funny that the streamers who are actually hardcore testing shit are the people who are all from PServers
MN isnt in I thought
Tribe was
Tribe/Perp/Kraun/Storm
solar matrix
but then we've got people like towliee/tradechat who have said multiple times over multiple years that they hate vanilla who are in
while joana
Probably the guy MOST qualified to compare it to vanilla leveling
in the entire world
who isnt in
distant saffron
Apparently Panser got in
distant saffron
Pan "They should just cancel Classic" ser
solar matrix
cobalt otter
Joana not being in is pretty bs
raven cedar
I think new twitch most subscribers streak just came under classic
solar matrix
yea pretty wild
jade fog
yup
raven cedar
he got like 500 subs straight up gifted
raven cedar
If beta has this much
jade fog
CLASSIC HYPE
raven cedar
imagine classic launch
solar matrix
raven cedar
I don't even need to resub, got one gifted right away
cobalt otter
He got 3k subs in that span of time
solar matrix
Easy fuckin money
@cobalt otter another beta wave went out and im still not in
when you gonna have words with your guild 4 me
cobalt otter
im sure loochi can help you
solar matrix
he cant...
cobalt otter
i believe in you getting in
solar matrix
I do not
tired jungle
@solar matrix https://i.imgur.com/qA331sq.png beta account for rent, never playing that shit
solar matrix
Hit me up in DM's we can plan some TOS violations
cant be worse than checking ownedcore for beta accounts yesterday 🤢
solar matrix
a guy in my sales group said 2m illidan gold to let me use his beta account as a joke
And i was logged on consolidating gold before he told me he was joking
fuckin slay me
distant saffron
F
solar matrix
eh different audiences
radiant fog
I'm not convinced WoW Classic will kill retail in the long run. Might see a drop in numbers for months, maybe a year, but not long enough to do real damage.
After all, even with the drop during WoD they had enough revenue to work on Legion. And people generally liked Legion.
solar matrix
i mean i personally dont think it will impact retail sub numbers at all
it will overshadow retail players for sure
but retail isnt gonna lose players to it because they are completely different games
the only real overlap is people like me who love MMOs but also """"competitive"""" raiding
And i'll end up playing both even if i focus on classic because vanilla doesnt scratch that raiding itch at all
crimson jay
the point is that sub numbers literally don't matter in retail anymore. as long as they can keep enough whales that throw their money at shop mounts, pets and gold it doesn't matter
sub numbers are declining constantly since Cata, yet Legion and BFA peaked in revenue
if only 10% of players whale in 100+ bucks a month that's worth 6+ subscribers
literal F2P monetization with subscription 
probably even better when you can make same money with 2 million subs than 10 million subs because you can cut cost for servers and employees for even more profits
understand that and you'll understand why retail is the way it is
raven cedar
honestly I could see them making classic like osrs and making content for it
it's certainly not a small audience we're speaking of and it could kick off a pretty nice more "hardcore" MMO
solar matrix
yeah just extremely hard to trust modern blizzard to design stuff for it
raven cedar
ingame polls to let players decide
throw lore out of the window and make garrosh warchief :^
crimson jay
if they go down the Classic+ road with new content I would be fine with DLCs or however they want to do it as long as it's good
halcyon mist
i think thats a hilarious can of worms to open, and were blizzard nearly any other company, id be all for them opening it
slender scarab
I feel like it would be hard for them to do that properly, they'll just resort to going to TBC then Wrath like they already said was a possibility of doing
halcyon mist
since you only have two routes given that the world and lore are already defined, you'd either just be recreating "future" raids or zones at level 60, or you'd go down the alternate timeline path
and then you'd have some situation where the alternate azeroth gets a way better storyline that people vastly prefer and they wind up making wc4 a sequel to it
but thats a world where blizzard is a good company
slender scarab
They should just bring back scrapped content and use it in classic, ez
halcyon mist
since blizzard is blizzard, i say leave classic as is
i also think the most important reason for classic to exist is for archival purposes of a sort - you can still pop in an original mario bros game cart if you have a NES, 35 years later, but classic wow is completely gone and unplayable
despite having been one of the biggest selling most influential games of all time
so if they were to do DLC, i would want them to do it in a divergent server and leave a pure classic server
games as a service get sort of nebulous, since a game can gradually degrade in quality over time as patches get worse and worse, but the entire game has generally been altered in some way
vs a tv show where later seasons may be shitty but at least you still have the first four seasons before the show went beyond the books
cough cough
slender scarab
I only enjoyed challenge modes
crimson jay
sure mate
grave yarrow
mop was lit
idle shale
mop was great
the only other time I've played so many classes and enjoyed them was in Antorus
crimson jay
MoP had so many fun specs...especially with some of the ToT/SoO Trinkets and Sets
CD Reduce Trinket
even healing was fun. super mobile Resto Druid.
Vengeance for tanks
halcyon mist
there were definitely problems with cc and stuff, especially pvp wise
but i think most people liked the spec design a lot better back then
solar matrix
idk it made healing 25s pretty retarded
halcyon mist
basically is homogeneity really a terrible thing if the thing everyone is feels good
halcyon mist
vs everyone being different but kind of clunky and shitty
that's not to say that there couldn't have been further iteration
but their design philosophy as a whole was better
solar matrix
id say their overall design philosophy was garbage
giving everyone everything
but they lucked into
fun rotations
crimson jay
to be fair, overall Vanilla class design philosophy was garbage. having literally unplayable specs was terrible design
TBC made that a lot better
halcyon mist
specs in vanilla didnt really mean the same thing they do now
crimson jay
while still keeping class identity and uniqueness
true...but still.
why have an oomkin tree when it's used basically never?
so I don't know what is better....having a huge variety of viable and fun specs to play with some necessary evil or being shoehorned to a certain role but you are the only one that can do it?
not too bad now after 15 years because everyone knows what to roll but back then....poor fucking Pally or Druids who thought they could do something else than heal
solar matrix
Yup TBC is when they fixed it
THe overall design of classes in TBC was basically flawless
just needed some work on rotatiosn
crimson jay
that came with WotLK
solar matrix
yeah but it was huge steps back in other ways lol
crimson jay
yeah, maybe there isn't a perfect solution
crimson jay
there isn't. this discussion is proof. 5 people, 5 different/varying opinions and preferences.
frosty belfry
bc/wrath/cata arms all felt good to me
mop arms was unkillable but it was still fun.
misty bolt
The big question is= will you be playing a war in classic ?
blissful zenith
misty bolt
Im 50/50 between war and lock
kind flame
@crimson jay I rolled a paladin around launch. There was a certain amount of bait and switch with what happened during vanilla
crimson jay
not sure what you are trying to say
I will roll Warrior 100% - can’t wait to have stances, Heroic Strike and other iconic Warrior fluff back. also most fun class IMO and ez top dps as we start raiding 👌WTB healslut for PvP tho
unnormalized rage gen 😎
good times for Warriors
past tide
Once you go warrior you never come back
crimson jay
basically. unless it's WoD Warrior 🤢
crimson jay
the positive thing about WoD Warrior was that it made me reroll to MM Hunter in 6.2
now that was fun
unironically
main hemlock
remember soloing WW axe , it was many blood and tears
red mobs in arathi
not sure how many deaths
crimson jay
IMO get friends for WW axe at 30 or just skip it
Trinket from lvl 50 warrior quest is a must tho
raven cedar
my warrior still has all the og quest items in bank
main hemlock
diamond flask pog
crimson jay
those poor uneducated guys not taking the flask as reward...
main hemlock
still in bank
crimson jay
it's the shitloads of strengths on huge CD trinket
heal is negligible
75str for 1min
is crazy
raven cedar
well as vanilla warrior you want all the healing you can get even if it's extremely minor lul
crimson jay
150 AP without BoK
raven cedar
I wish I could transfer all the OG 60 gear to an alt
I'd love to go with an orc warrior with the mad necklace from I think some T2 raid
raven cedar
I can't remember, the onyxia head reward, was there one particularly useful for warriors?
I remember taking the trinket but coming back to it, was there a necklace option?
crimson jay
ony neck is better than trinket IMO
distant saffron
Ony neck is far better for tank
crimson jay
when do you replace ony neck? aq40? naxx?
distant saffron
As tank? Cthun neck
crimson jay
quest reward for ony head
raven cedar
because the drop neck is the one with mad stamina
hollow reef
Vanilla warriors are so fun
Imo they were probably the most complete class in vanilla
misty bolt
Yeah just looking at some of the pvp videos with all the spells/macros/stance dancing makes me sad
“Look how they massacred my boy”
hollow reef
PvE Warriors were fun
I was a terrible pvp warrior
Either it was because I didn’t have a healer or I couldn’t stance dance
idle shale
I got to level 5
I'd agree that warriors have one of the most engaging kits in classic though
warlocks might be kinda close
misty bolt
I love vanilla lock
idle shale
in pvp they had a decent kit, unless dots are just always worthless
I have no idea lol
misty bolt
Unbreakable fear in duels is so spicy
frosty haven
yeah in pvp its a good kit
misty bolt
Dots worthless ? Lol
idle shale
yeah
misty bolt
You can snipe ppl with dots and run the other way, unless its a priest or pal they die
Ah in pve
Shadowbolt spam 😄
frosty haven
i think hunter and druid have pretty full kits, assuming you play druid as a hybrid
crimson jay
get prepared for tons of hunter macros in vanilla
solar matrix
i mean warrior is the macro lord
dapper mural
I am going to need a new mouse with more buttons rather than overcome years of stance-dance muscle memory
fiery citrus
hambeast hands
fiery citrus
man alexsensual is gonna see these and get mega triggered
fiery citrus
i have accepted that phasing is going to be a thing for a while tbh
idk how many servers there will be
solar matrix
Same but the whole point of the layering they were pushing
solar matrix
Was making sure exactly that never happens
World wide layer for no zone change memes
And no random changes so the second clip doesn't happen
But they both do
Big xd
fiery citrus
yeah i feel like theyre rushing this
just like bfa
n look how that turned out
wasnt the first estimated release summer 2020
back 1-2 years ago
i could be wrong
past tide
I'm pretty sure that thing is always being there in that particular spot
not sure why
but I wouldn't call it phasing obviously
solar matrix
I mean its textbook phasing
i know the super high pop private servers do that same kind of shit between zones
but its just as awful there
past tide
Yeah I was speaking about the Durotar one in particular
not so sure about the other one
solar matrix
yeah same
its a private server thing they do
to deal with their 10k retard pops
shits awful
past tide
is weird though, I've beein watching Monkeynews and Staysafe for hours and havent spot anything of the sort
solar matrix
both of those clips are form the PVE server
its possible that the sharding has only been turned on on the pve server
cause of pop or something
past tide
dansgame
misty bolt
The layering is good for start
past tide
lets just call it lesser evil
misty bolt
1-10 took me 10 hours on pserver just because of 100s of players in the same spot
past tide
tbf part of the shit storm regarding layering could be fixed if they just explain it properly
misty bolt
But later zones like hillsbrad were fucking awesome
past tide
instead of deliver said info through a bunch of half reliable streamers
misty bolt
Yeah especially dumbasses like Tipsout
solar matrix
layering is a lesser evil
but clearly rn
we just have sharding
in the beta
and 3 months till launch
big laughs
grave yarrow
on Lightshope do they have phasing/layering at all?
because that Alk clip that shit happens on that server
misty bolt
No
solar matrix
yes
they do
lights hope has every zone in a different phase
its literally the exact same as that alk clip
grave yarrow
^
misty bolt
Make a char there and see for yourself
grave yarrow
i skip that quest everytime because the drop rate is low and the crocs phase
big gay
slender scarab
its the true classic experience, i hope they dont fix it
slender scarab
right but some mobs get legitimately stuck forever
slender scarab
blizzard wont fix it
they'll try
and fail
they cant fix it in BFA
wont fix it in classic
solar matrix
🤷
then at least we'll get very nice new data
for a new golden age of private servers
slender scarab
data is already out there, people will still use garbage mango coding or just copy/paste like everything else
solar matrix
it isnt though
there's all sorts of simple values
we're seeing are wrong on pservers now
slender scarab
private servers hire little euro tards that can put a server together
and host it
and thats it
slender scarab
gummy is gonna be dead before classic launches
solar matrix
he died so we could have classic
slender scarab
people could improve mangos so much if they wanted to but they are lazy
solar matrix
need a mission impossible task force to sneak into blizzard HQ and get a copy of their 1.12 reference copy out
kind flame
so for the people that have leveled up a warrior on the private servers, how grueling was the grind to 60 on a pvp server?
as a warrior that is
serene fractal
it is gonna be not fun
distant saffron
well, regen on the beta is much higher
And its confirmed to be accurate
so it might be a lot easier on classic
serene fractal
I mean leveling is just going to suck in general what is a normal leveling time for classic like 7-10 days played?
grave yarrow
PVP servers will make leveling grueling regardless of class
obsidian verge
has the bloodcraze non-bug been discussed yet
obsidian verge
I mean the private server warrior gurus said the fury build is meta because of that enrage/healing from the /sit
was curious if any gurus here have put together a better plan
obsidian verge
arms was the plan at 40
distant saffron
Now you can go arms from the beginning
obsidian verge
figured thatd be the case
obsidian verge
the enrage was apparently the change all pre 40 on warriors
and the bloodcraze effectively gave you more health
but since u know, not a bug working as intended guess arms is gunna be meta
distant saffron
I'd still much rather be arms tbh
Tactical mastery for shield swap to casters, Imp OP
obsidian verge
my first time on unofficial i did arms
honestly wasnt that bad
but i did fury up to like 28 and it was noticeably cleaner unfortunate
however that warrior health regen working as intended 👀
distant saffron
Yeah thats gonna make warrior levelling piss easy tbh
obsidian verge
idk about piss easy, definitely easier for people
who dont know any better going the warrior route
unofficial server warriors were rough on people who didnt know the tips/tricks it seems
distant saffron
Yee people who went warrior were in for a huge shock
My first warrior took ages to do
But if this regen is correct? You can slam through levelling
obsidian verge
spirit stacking no longer needed
distant saffron
Yup - which means you can run full agi gear the whole way
raven cedar
regen confirmed to be higher, as in 100% accurate data? because this was yesterday debunked a lot
lavish marlin
Is Anger Mamagment giving 1 rage every 3 sec while you have rage or does it function as it says in the tooltip
slender scarab
what class of warrior will be the best
distant saffron
🤔
jade fog
I guess he meant specc
main hemlock
fury
main hemlock
i mean fury works for pvp but you need mad gear and arms is still more consistent, just didnt bother respeccing a lot back then
cant beat 1shotting ppl with sword spec
distant saffron
Arms is almost always better
Fury is great dueling spec though
especially against priests
white marlin
wasn't there an arms build that could compete with fury?
distant saffron
In PvE?
sly lynx
in pve fury was better than arms. more so if you had access to raid gear.
distant saffron
It's always better in raids
In dungeons I kinda like Arms more, for Sweeping Strikes
past tide
Thing with arms in raid is that you suck one debuf slot that is pretty much useless, not good
white marlin
true
past tide
Fury 2h in raid though is a thing for several reasons
arctic flame
Some thoughts on improved charge talent? Does it help with rage starvation early?
past tide
I don't usually improve charge. Rather go for deep wounds
Not really for the talent itself, but for the next synergy between the increased overpower crit chance and also improved crits damage
distant saffron
he forgot u needed liferoot for a short bit
Liferoot confirmed to be hitting too hard btw
solar matrix
X fuckin d
inner salmon
How is the warrior regen? I was reading the blizz thread that just says "it's intended" but not really to what extent. Is it high? How much faster?
I only briefly played on a p server, and wasn't playing a warrior, but I remember having to stop and wait for a while between mob pulls for quests
past tide
Is def faster than in PServers
inner salmon
How long does it take to say, regen from 25% to max?
past tide
Can't tell a specific number, is just notoriously faster
inner salmon
Word. And would that potential make troll a slightly better pick than before for their racial regen?
past tide
In all honesty I never played a troll or horde proper for that matter. Though in theory yes I guess.
wintry tartan
played arms till lvl 44 in Vanilla, once i got thrash blade went fury paired it to a phantom blade and never looked back. Ended Vanilla with 2 misplaced Servo arms. wish i never vendored them.
main hemlock
yea fury is fun
misty bolt
Troll regen is ass
misty bolt
Yeah the dmg seem awfully low
Like Asmon is the biggest dogshit warrior on the planet and he soloed like 3 mobs right at the start
uneven aspen
Anyone thought about how no sit/crit will impact fury tank threat?
It will definitely bottleneck the guilds that plan to run like 20 DPS warriors
main hemlock
remember having to eat after 2 mobs pretty much
sometimes one if it was higher level
never played on private so its been a long time
misty bolt
yeah cant make these pulls on private for sure
elder wing
All this is wrong
Private took values from Wotlk Vanilla
Classic has same values as Vanilla
People made some research and proofs on this
elder wing
Why ? It’s true values
misty bolt
well not pulling 3 mobs and living as warrior 😄
yeah true
PvP hopefully is the same so its fine
elder wing
100% same as Vanilla
misty bolt
just no reckbombs and dumb shit I guess
elder wing
True endgame for Classic for me is guild bgs versus another foes
World PvP
Gurubashi
Infinite action
misty bolt
AV
main hemlock
2 day games pog
solar matrix
I mean the proof that classic beta has values that are way reduced from vanilla's been posted before
solar matrix
has nothing to do with pservers
its comparing classic beta to vanilla
no pserver involved
elder wing
hum, will search for it
solar matrix
was at the top of the subreddit last i looked
elder wing
oki
hollow reef
Gosh gearing up 20 warriors
People act like loot rains from the ceiling in vanilla
We had a month or two period where our rogues and warriors just didn’t get upgrades
And we were beginning to run alts through dungeons and gearing them up in case those casters were gonna out Dps the rogues and warriors due to loot drought
solar matrix
just have htem all get HWL for BIS gear till naxx :^)
modern garden
retail splits are gr8
classic splits not so much
whoever cares that much about content that easy can have it
kind flame
So passive regen for all warrior specs is higher than private servers? Or is there a talent that provides this great regen during leveling?
proper plaza
As I recall for leveling on the private servers it was spirit stacking that gave crazy regen
lean sorrel
mithanias there is a talent, but they broke the 'effective' way to use it
Blood Craze - Requires 10 points in fury, 3 point max, regens 2,6,12% of ur maximum health over 6s after being hit with a critical strike.
the effective way to use this was a /sit macro (which will worked in 1.12 blizz......) that would cause u to sit during combat
if ur hit when sitting in vanilla, u take an automatic crit
spirit gear improves Blood Craze too (i had like 20% over 6s in a private server once)
main hemlock
gearing 20 warriors lmao, no thx , easier to let other guilds gear them and poach them when geared 🍆
misty bolt
Warrior S tier in all modes and specs, as it should be.
main hemlock
god mode
crimson jay
group content, yeah
uneven aspen
There has been a good bit of people looking into the mob damage values on Beta, they are accurate with old retail Vanilla videos and the Brady Games guide
Asmongold is facerolling the content because he is being handed twink gear
by the entire server
none of the dungeons are even remotely difficult until level 40
except maybe like
RFK
The regen is attributed to something most private servers didn't have, is that your passive health regeneration is higher at lower level and slower at higher levels
not a constant
frosty belfry
People have this hardon that vanilla was super hard. It really wasn't. Most things were tank and spank and the difficulty came from 90% of players having no idea how to play and keyboard turning and clicking. Private servers aren't accurate and some add artificial difficulty. Idk why people want classic to be this dark souls git gud experience for newer players trying it out but it never was. Modern players that played through wrath and on have dealt with much more difficult pve mechanics. The only claim to fame vanilla has over it is what leveling took a long time hurr Durr cause spawn and drop rates were aids
hollow reef
one of my friends just got into the neta
beta
he said, "Its basic as fuck"
Overall, he doesnt mind it, but as a former classic player 15 years ago he mentioned it probably wont keep him playing. The nostalgia will bring him in for a bit and then he'll be done
ruby kiln
@cunning tartan just #promotion is fine for this
main hemlock
yea, it's basic but I kinda miss it tbh, classic lasted only a short amount of time compared to all these slot machine expansions we've had
was kinda bummed back when TBC came out, classic could've lasted 6 months longer or so.
solar matrix
TBC was an improvement overall for sure
but it was a step back in a few ways
started to move wow away from MMORPG and into the raidlogging game it is now
modern garden
dont think that was until wotlk
tbc had way more shit up until the very end where they started adding catchup mechanics
solar matrix
BC was where catchup gear went out of control, where dungeons became straight lines designed to take under an hour. BC had flying and difficulty modes
BC was really good in a LOT of ways but
it def had some big downsides
tidal bloom
I dont think dungeons should be designed to take a specific amount of time just for the sake of it taking that long
solar matrix
Yup
That's the issue with BC and on dungeons
They're all designed to be bite sized
Take x amount of time
While vanilla dungeons range from the "takes half a day to full clear" BRD to small dungeons like RFC and stockades
primal scaffold
Jesus, the amount of times I got lost in BRD man...So many hours spent just trying to find the correct way to go 😂
fiery citrus
BRD is pretty much burned into my mind
the only part i dont know much of cuz i never go there is by the hound boss
who the fuck kills the hound boss
slender scarab
can someone give me there beta account
distant saffron
no
slender scarab
D:
solar matrix
yeah sent its in the maail
elder wing
i see people having fear of Classic endgame pvp
with everybody in naxx stuff
but people that had it and trishotting everybody in bg/world pvp were rare
- the people they killed werent ready (mc/bwl stuff)
in reality you can builds tanky healers with viscidus trinket, stam/armor robes etcc
to counter this
molten saffron
thick verge
@molten saffron https://discord.gg/fA2kkT
hollow reef
I was okay with Dungeons being expedited. There was nothing fun at all about spending 2-4 hours in a dungeon.
I think what killed TBC Dungeons for me was how TBC went too hard on the "Need CCs and coordination" piece for it's 5 mans
most pugs dont have the patience or coordination needed to do difficult content, period
It really bottle necked what was viable for heroics (Which were no joke) back then
Tank (Prot Paladin Preferred), Mage, Rogue, Warlock/Hunter was the best group make up because mages brought sheep, rogues had sap, and Warlock/Hunters could seduce/banish, freeze trap
i cant speak too much for the raid scene since I quit around Black Temple
TBC also had some of the initial WoW fissures develop such as their growing abundance of very low pop servers
jade fog
In harder dungeons running without at least one cc class was suicidal
Exemple being arcatraz, shadowlabs
Big packs that were trashing tanks
hollow reef
only ones that come to mind as being kinda easy were Slave Pens (If you had CC), that one Naga one with the elementals, the Mechanar, and maybe that one HFC one where you had that Warchief at the end
jade fog
Ramparts were def doable without cc. It was first dungeon available i believe
But one with warchief was shattered halls and that needed cc for sure. You had many pulls with 5+ targets
crimson jay
really depends on what phase of TBC we are talking about
Heroics were a lot easier later in the xpac
some kinda brutal after launch
same with Prot Pallys. not really a thing until mid-late TBC
onyx jackal
i think BC was the pinnacle of raiding, classic/BC imo are the bets iterations of the game
best*
lament musk
I remember spending 3 hours in the last boss in shadow labs, never went there again for months after that..
white marlin
In BC I got to lead my first raid as MT. I still love Kara for that.
cobalt otter
@solar matrix there was another wave, u in?
also r u conrad and bt gonna be horde or alli
night warren
anyone have a good, legit source for add-ons yet?
I see warcraft tavern has some listed..just not sure how reputable that site is in particular
twin oar
Does anyone think people are going to make addons for classic wow that are better than the ones we have on private servers?
or is it some engine shit?
frosty haven
the API will be a modified version of the retail version, so many addons that work in BFA should be able to work in classic as well
twin oar
neat
jade fog
But they will want to limit them
to extent
At least kind ofs like WA . I think I overheard something like that
solar matrix
thatd b dumb
there were much more powerful addons than WA in vanilla
what i wanna know is if someone will be able to make a more accurate castbar
that'd be alittle gamebreaking
frosty haven
man i hope so, fuck not having cast bars tbh
twin oar
don't you have cast bars in classic
jade fog
I think even back then some things were limited
frosty haven
you have your own cast bars
twin oar
Oh yeah you don't have that
frosty haven
yeah
jade fog
Dont take my word for granted though
with those addons it might be quite different
in the end
twin oar
Well I would be up to see other's cast bars
MUH CLASSIC #NOCHANGES
'
what does that change lol
frosty haven
iirc there were addons to show enemy casts, but they werent always reliable
twin oar
people are gonna put addons for it, anyways
yeah they weren't
if you had a buff like the mage trinket that increased casting speed by 33% it would still show your regular casting pseed
I don't see what adding that would change
white marlin
What procs where in classic that you could track? Never played warrior at that time
white marlin
Or enrage by crit
frosty haven
but no real reason to track them
WAs i imagine would mostly be used to track boss abilities, or pvp related stuff
also good for creating nice looking UIs
twin oar
Warlocks would track dots using an addon
frosty haven
you would probably want a swing timer if you are playing 2h
white marlin
I see, thanks 🙂
Looking forward playing arms warrior in PVE.
And yeah I know fury would be better. 😅
distant saffron
You want swint timer regardless
Its one of the must haves
Along with a trinket menu/gearsets
solar matrix
yeah swing timer and trinekt menu are mandatory
WA could be SUPER strong for pvp
if it just tracks buffs from combat log
and puts them on enemies nameplates
like modern addons do
distant saffron
ECDF mandatory as well in pvp
twin oar
What's the full name of that
twin oar
We'll probably get a classic version of every addon lol
solar matrix
yeah
s omeone making a good castbar addon would be by far the most "gamebreaking" nonclassic thing
someone could make tho
castbar addons for 1.12 are so fucking awful
distant saffron
No more ermean addons is kinda rip
misty bolt
Classic choice
peak solar
I will play a lvl 12 gnome rogue
idle shale
a hard choice indeed
main hemlock
orc boy
frosty belfry
Undead warrior og
misty bolt
1h tho
misty bolt
if I planned to only tank Id go UD
main hemlock
fem orc 🤔 🍆
distant saffron
this guy again?
frosty haven
wrong channel m8
crimson jay
social guilds. DansGame
distant saffron
@frosty haven he doesnt care, he's been banned already before from pretty much every wow discord
frosty haven
@idle shale
crimson jay
euphemism for "cesspool guild"
outer scarab
How bad is prot in pvp in classic
I wanna tank but am worried I won’t be able to pvp then
distant saffron
If you want to tank dungeons, then you can do it as any spec
idle shale
I think you could arguably tank about anything as a dps spec, but Naxx/AQ maaaaybe would get a little rough
cutting edge MC progression maybe too
since total ass gear
distant saffron
First few weeks of MC are probs the only thing you shouldnt tank as 32/19
twin oar
Isn't not really that much of a hard choice
Freedom vs WF
If you want to do more PvP then I'd say freedom
twin oar
yeah but FAP = REEEE UNFAIR!!
twin oar
I'm just joking
solar matrix
in duels you dont get either so who cares
misty bolt
yeah but you do get 25% stun resist 😄 For the Horde
distant saffron
Yes and no
nova knoll
ty
arctic flame
anger management has the secret passive in classic? any1 tested it?
mossy phoenix
Anyone knows how much this /sit trick will nerf Fury warriors in Dongeon and maybe even in raid ?
main hemlock
no difference as it didn't work in vanilla, only in some early patch I'm pretty sure? Private server is scuffed
there is no point comparing to priv
Apparently it was fixed in 1.10
mossy phoenix
Ok but ppl are comparing DPS spec from a private server perspective tho. Maybe cause we basicly dont have many datas from 2006
So that why i asked
distant saffron
It doesnt change anything for raids
A little bit for dungeons, but most people go Arms for those
main hemlock
you wouldn't taunt bosses in raids would you
also it was fixed for naxx already and warriors destroy meters
destroyed*
mossy phoenix
I mean you could tank few hits as plate but i was talking about MC mainly where war were already topping the dps in Private and not on the original Vanilla
From what i heard (didn't play till late vanilla early BC)
distant saffron
They didn't top in OG vanilla because warriors weren't revamped until Later
main hemlock
yea, fury doesn't start to shine until later with gear
like said private servers are irrelevant
I do remember competing against rogues and hunters in MC, this was in 2005, but later with AQ gear and shit there was no real competition
ofcourse most people sucked but still
distant saffron
Its not the gear
Its the talents
They weren't changed to current format until 1.6 (?)
main hemlock
can't remember , anyways warriors will smash so no need to worry
modern river
I just found out that the Classic game will be coming out in August.
At the end of my summer vacation.
Guess I'm kinda screwed.
misty bolt
Rip
tender estuary
just break a bone that is sever enough to let you stay at home, but also doesn't keep you from playing
misty bolt
Yeah rush 60 and then you can chill and let rng take over
crimson jay
just quit school. you won't need an education after no-lifeing Classic anyway
elder wing
+1
modern river
Quit school inb4 they say it was all a prank