But the pve content is tuned so loosely I can't imagine picking an ok pve race over a god pvp race
#vanilla-discussion
solar matrix
woven torrent
I enjoy them v. much
frosty haven
the incentive to min max TPS is to enable your dps warriors to maximize themselves, its all for meme speedclear strats but you can atleast measure the benefits of troll vs orc in tanks
modern garden
i've heard that troll is good if you expect to get thunderfury otherwise orc
solar matrix
yeah its def BETTER and TPS is the most important thing for a tank
but orc vs troll wont make a huge dif during prog, and orc is MASSIVELY better for PVP
so its basically just
do you want racials for PVE meme speedclears or for pvp
celest terrace
Is This « in depth » theorycrafting makes sense in classic where actually game knowledge was low compared to today ?
night zephyr
I was under the impression that Undead was the God pvp race.
How much more tps are trolls really tho?
twin oar
Undead and Orc are the bet
Orcs are because of their stun resistance racial which is way better than removing fear since mmore classes have stun than fear
twin oar
Cannibalizing isn't really much of a racial
Don't think i've used it outside of leveling
Oh it's good in bgs
didn't think of that
distant saffron
Benefit of UD is you can sit in Battle stance, and the charm/sleep break is really strong against locks
I'd still roll orc tho
modern garden
if you want to pve deffo go orc
or possibly troll for less dps at 60 but a much easier levelling process
night zephyr
@modern garden why is troll easier leveling?
modern garden
mostly the regen
if you havent tried levelling a warrior on classic yet, it's definitely as awful as people say it is
night zephyr
I leveled in vanilla as a tauren.
It was painful but doable. Tbc hit shortly after I hit 60.
hollow reef
trick to leveling a warrior is having a healing friend or a friend who can run you through low level content to keep you geared up
and then at 60 having a pocket healer
raw tangle
Half your gold goes to buying food to heal up after each mob.
main hemlock
bandage spec
past tide
Spirit is your friend while lvling
Also once you get used to the "hamstring method" is actually pretty steady
Also allows you to lvl as arms which is a plus on a pvp realm
In case you lvl in more orthodox manners be smart, be sure to buy cheaper food from a mage or for free if you are in a decent guild
And ofc, try to make the most of cooking and first aids
past tide
And tbh, once you get sweeping strikes and just a bit later mortal strike it almost becomes a cakewalk
And hands down if I would lvl a Warrior in the backwater faction I'd roll an orc
First they look sick, second is just too good on PvP
And you will want to do good use of those mighty 2handers you'll earn while tanking on OS rolls
past tide
Hunter prio
hollow reef
Thought Spirit's regen was so miniscule that it wasnt worth it
and you dont regen health in combat unless you're a troll
reason why victory rush was added in TBC
past tide
Tbh PServer values might be off
hollow reef
i just remember as a Warrior "Of the Bear" was the way to go
past tide
But is heavely used in those nowadays
hollow reef
of the bear being STR/STA
past tide
As a matter any green you put on the AH specially clothes and between 20-30 lvl range with spirit sells like candy
And for warrior the regen is no joke if you carefully kite while waiting for the autotattack
You basically end every fight without missing stamina, you dont really kill more slowly and ofc you don't waste time healing up
frosty haven
@hollow reef str is overrated for levelling, armor/spirit/agi is the way to go
most of your damage comes from weapon dps anyway
modern garden
once you hit 40+ spirit starts to fall off in favor of actual dps because you can start killing 2 mobs at once very efficiently with sweeping strikes
though spirit will always be a good stat
hollow reef
🤔
hollow reef
if I played Vanilla as a warrior I'd probably go Tauren
just because I'd look goofy
call myself "Ground Beef"
modern garden
Human or bust
heady laurel
em
hollow reef
complete the vanilla experience 10% faster
night zephyr
IF ya'll could duo run wth a shaman or a priest or a druid, which would you prefer?
distant saffron
for levelling?
night zephyr
Aye
distant saffron
I'd probs go with priest tbh
can kite elites super hard
and priest never needs to stop moving
night zephyr
My concern was that shield kills rage gen.
night zephyr
monkaHmm
distant saffron
priest deals a lot of damage
and with spirit tap
you can pool rage
then priest heals, and you pull 2
then pull 1, rinse repeast
usually you do this at 36 with SS/WW
but this way you can do it quicker
night zephyr
hm. ok. i hadn;t thought that indepth about it.
solar matrix
Underrated part of shaman would be getting tags/interrupts
If you're planning on leveling on launch night
waxen solstice
I’m going shaman. SoE totems the entire time, plus WF totem at lvl 32. Other thing about shaman is that they have ghost wolf so you can funnel gold into an immediate warrior mount at level 40 which will be speed up leveling a lot more than trying to get it on two toons
There’s a lot of synergy pre-30, but once you get WF totem, WW axe, SS and then WW/MS at 36/40 it’s the most efficient duo in the game
past tide
Def shaman, but since I play in the civilized faction I'd go with a druid
Either way I'd pick any Healer as long it has my same chedule
Find a duo lvling partner is hard enough
I would prefer a paladin over a priest aswell. Reason being that yes, you may share some gear. But that means also you will have more greens to sell in the AH
And him having a free mount means he can support yours
night zephyr
My sister is willing to level with me, and she'll be leveling a healer probably.
So, I have a duo partner locked in. Probably launch night.
lavish marlin
The thing with paladins is that they run out of mana really quickly and that will slow the warrior down.
If you let the priest get the killing blow, you can just go go go.
night zephyr
Yeah, in Vanilla I powerleveled a priest. Spirit tap is god-like,
I remember I did 1-60 in like 6 or 7 days /played solo without being fed gear.
tame python
every time i wanna play classic i hear that a week /played was fast for leveling and decide nevermind
night zephyr
@tame python fastest was Joana as the hunter at 4 days 20 hours
average for most people who aren't mindlessly grinding it out is a couple weeks, but it's really not that bad.
Wow vanilla did a really good job of fitting content into the leveling process. The game doesn't start at 60. It starts at like.. 45.
hollow reef
Vanilla leveling imo is actually fun
The expansions are what took away from leveling because the end game starts at level cap.
tame python
i tried some on a private server and wasn't really for me
maybe it will be different with a bunch of new people all at once though
night zephyr
Thats generally the idea. Because you're limited to your server and your faction, the people you level with are going to be the people you do dungeons with and raid with and pvp with.
You'll find people you get along with and you'll find that you'll see the same couple people in dungeon groups and while questing, and such just by the nature of the time you are generally active. I can't speak to private servers since I've never payed on any, but I'm hoping that Classic will bring back that sense of "small city everybody knows everybody" even on a large server.
tame python
Yeah I recently transfered to A52 (huge ass server) from my old server (Drak'Thul which is basically dead) and I really miss what the community was like even in BfA on that tiny server. I could hover over anyone in the city and know who it was, what their guild was like, etc haha
night zephyr
Yeah. it'll be even better when it's fresh launch. Even if you go a private server there are still established people. Fresh server in vanilla is how I played originally and it was amazing meeting new people, running into people while questing and exploring and "Hey lets group to kill this random elite here"
Honestly that sense of community is whats gonna make or break classic for me.
solar matrix
the leveling is a completely different game than leveling wotlk on
actual danger out in the world, meaningful progression along the way
but it def is a long process so shitty for ppl who need instnat gratifcation
arctic juniper
Classic will definitely seperate the players
tame python
maybe classic people will stop crying in forums 😪
knotty pivot
I really hope they dont have that many servers I would hate to roll one and it end up dead af after 6 months
would kill it for me
past tide
more than divide, I'd say is going to add suscribers
is there a notorius portion of the community waiting for it
past tide
hell I have an active suscription and I rather play on northdale to kill the time between raids
and just lvling around folk gift you items
and when you ask why the answer is "always good to have more tanks around"
modern river
When did Fury start being able to use double two handers? Or has that just always been the case?
idle shale
It was a talent introduced in Wrath of the Lich King
faint raft
Same
lavish marlin
Why until they find out that taunt was a melee skill 😂
faint raft
When rogues find out energy regens in chunks of 25 instead of a flow
stiff fractal
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frosty haven
@stiff fractal i'd put this in #promotion , this channel is for discussion
tame python
discuss his classic guild
distant saffron
@frosty haven he's posted this in every single WoW discord server
tame python
he just wants classic players uwu
night zephyr
Hey guys twitch.tv/Joana is streaming his WR leveling run in classic.
@tame python if you wanna see low level hunter speed-running, that's a good opportunity for you, lol.
@lavish marlin missing taunt OMEGALUL
tame python
o cool i'll check it out
lavish marlin
Followed by a Mocking Blow parry @night zephyr
night zephyr
@lavish marlin I wonder if they are bringing back parry hasting. "Fucking melee get behind the boss! You're killing me!"
lavish marlin
I would be surprised if they didn't, it's a core part of tanking.
They don't have parry haste in the game anymore ?
tame python
parry haste was removed in icc i think
lavish marlin
It was still a thing in Wrath, I didn't really do much raid tanking after Wrath so I'm not sure when exactly it was removed
tame python
they definitely started to remove it in ICC and it was gone by cata
lavish marlin
Yep, only a couple of bosses had in it ICC, don't really recall which ones tho
raw tangle
Naxx got dropped on a PS today. Already fully cleared. I have a feeling people are going to get tired of content a week after it's all done.
tame python
whaaaat classic content isn't as hard as people remember? crazy
modern garden
some people do
but everyone knows it wont be hard
though it will still be harder than on private servers, it likely wont be hard overall
solar matrix
oh no here we go again
modern garden
armor values and stuff on private servers are wrong
so unless they made them higher on them which they could have, would technically be slightly harder
distant saffron
They are higher
modern garden
last i saw we had no idea what they were on classic so no way to know
distant saffron
🤔
Do I really have to do this again?
@modern garden Armor on NostCore is between 900-1700 higher than what it should be
We know what the vanilla armor values were, and what abilities stacked with what
distant saffron
In the clip, the boss has 5 sunders applied, for a total reduction of 2250 armor.
At 1:13, the warrior uses Bloodthirst while he has the crusader buff up, which hits for 724 damage.
At 1:14, the crusader buff fades.
At 1:19, the warrior uses Bloodthirst with no crusader up, which hits for 646.
724-646 = 78 added BT damage from Crusader.
Crusader should add 200 (100 STR) * 1.1 (Kings adds 10% stats) * 0.45 = 99 damage to BT.
Therefore, the amount of damage reduced by armor is 1 - 78/99.
Solving (x - 2250) / (60 * 85 + 400 + x - 2250) = 1 - 78/99 gives us a situation where x = 3730, proving Patchwerk should have 3730 armor.```
modern garden
interesting
distant saffron
`Proof: https://youtu.be/psD1JWt17hI
5 sunders, CoR, faerie fire
1:22 BT 620
1:44 BT 613 (crit)
1:51 BT 613
1:58 BT 613
2:16 BT 612
2:20 boss gained gift of arthas debuff (damage increased by 8)
2:23 gained crusader
2:24 BT 705
705 - 612 - 8 = 85 BT damage from crusader
Crusader should add 200 * 0.45 = 90 damage to BT.
1 - 77/90 = amount of damage reduced by armour
Solving (x - 2250-505-640) / (60 * 85 + 400 + x - 2250-505-640) = 1 - 85/90.0
yields x = 3718`
^^ Chromaggus
No vanilla boss has armor higher than 3731
modern garden
neato
distant saffron
A LOT of the vanilla core stuff is backported from TBC - item stats, armor values, formulas, etc
modern garden
i was expecting it to be a little harder so its a little disappointing lol
distant saffron
but ofc, Tipsout does literally 0 research on his videos, but gets tens of thousands of views
Oh, the game will be piss easy
1.12 talents/itemisation + unbuffed armor?
modern garden
ye
distant saffron
Can't wait for sub 30 min BWL, sub 45 min AQ, and sub 2 hour naxx first day
modern garden
i just hope they do other expansions too following the proper timetables
cuz once naxx is out, shits done
distant saffron
And thats the way it should be imo
modern garden
everything will be cleared instantly
distant saffron
Can't wait for people to start practicing triple HP no FrR saph again
distant saffron
Gonna be interesting to see what skips we can do on classic
😢
I can't raid with my current guild on classic
so its gonna be sad watching them
modern garden
rip
im joining a newer guidl just for fun at first but would love to see what people come up with
main hemlock
cleared instantly when people are 60, nice meme
distant saffron
needing preraid gear for MC
main hemlock
not mc
if all raids were released at the same time they clearly wouldn't be cleared instantly
with staggered yes
distant saffron
I'm not talking about if they were released at the same time lol
main hemlock
they been out 15 years so what to expect
distant saffron
Well blizzard has already said they aren't doing that
main hemlock
yeah it's good
hollow reef
raids were hard back then because they were new and people didnt understand the mechanics for them
i always echo that remark of if you ever raided in vanilla with a guild of 40 competent people, you'd one night clear MC, BWL, and all the way up to Huhuran since Huhuran was the first gear check
modern garden
i mean people know how to gear now too
so they do way more damage than they did in vanilla at the same areas of content
and bosses had 2 mechanics
hollow reef
ill be surprised if people get to C'thun or down him first raid night because C'thun trash and the fight was no joke
halcyon mist
they should release the "mathematically impossible" c'thun and see what happens
hollow reef
i bet you someone would figure it out
id love to be a warrior in a AQ40 guild again just so I could get the "power ranger" armor
modern garden
pretty sure the original c'thun would be killable just because people know more
they stack the raid better and have better dps from gear
distant saffron
Depends - can the eyes still spawn in the walls? IF yes, then it's probably not doable except with extreme luck
Otherwise, its doable
modern garden
fair point
past tide
People have more knowledge now but also the tools at your disposal are way more limited in Vanilla
And part of the difficulty comes from that reason alone
Also mechanics are fewer and more simple but sometimes more punishing with one shot abilities
Trash is most of the time not a push over
Granted is not MM yada yada, but I wouldn't call it just a cakewalk either
frosty haven
the way i see it, we now know the best ways to get geared before the raid even opens, and the resources and strats have been around and tested for ages
progression basically doesnt exist unless you choose not to research on your own.
its kinda the reason big top guilds like method can go in week 1 and clean house, they have spent the time pre raid gearing and practicing on test realms
but now everyone can easily look up a pre raid bis list and can get to work day 1
past tide
Can't deny that, but at the same the "progresion" feel is still there in some regard. All the work a Warrior goes through to aoe Tank the gauntlet in AQ40 like if it was nothing for me is pretty rewarding.
When I compare that to my warrior in retail that all it needs to do is fart Thunderclaps in the general direction of the mobs to hold endless hordes of enemies... Meh
frosty haven
well its all pretty subjective, but yeah back then AQ40 was quite prestigious. and the community was aware of that prestige.
nowadays unless you are one of the first guilds on your server to hit CE, there isnt really much prestige
past tide
Of course, I would say nobody gives a damn about server firsts in Classic. At Ieast I don't, what I seek in there is RPG and meaningfull progresion in sense of rewarding goals.
frosty haven
i dunno, when i see someone get server first, or someone who is decked out, there a sense of respect. that is a pretty big feeling lost in current wow
the only way i can respect another player's success is if i recognize them from warcraft logs
whereas back in vanilla if i saw someone with raid gear it was more initially recognizable
past tide
I mean, funny enough I find ragnaros first kill the most impressive for the sheer effort and dedication it takes in a short spawn of time
While BWL, Cthun or KT fall so quickly after stacking loads of consumables for months
frosty haven
well yeah all the world firsts are going to be pretty big memes, the guilds who go super tryhard from the gate
distant saffron
Rag in 1 week, BWL under 35 mins, AQ under 45, Naxx under 2 hours
distant saffron
is that the laty rage clip?
Fucking top kek at that
Salad bakers is top meme quality
night zephyr
@distant saffron I really don't think so. I don't think people are even going to be 60. Or not enougfh to kill rag.
distant saffron
🤔
past tide
It's possible my man
frosty haven
there will be some who pull it off
frosty haven
maybe like a few guilds worldwide
night zephyr
I mean I know some people are gonna be 60, but 40?
past tide
Is a huge effort, but def doable
frosty haven
yeah you can hit 60 in ~5 days
distant saffron
@frosty haven I wouldn't say more than 1 or 2
past tide
Well there are a lot of dedicated players put here
distant saffron
But loads of top guilds will do it week 2
past tide
There*
night zephyr
@frosty haven Joana's speed run was 4 days 20 hours played and it took him 7 days.
frosty haven
@distant saffron yeah i havnt really looked at how many are trying, i'd guess 3 but thats just out of my ass
night zephyr
And don't tal to me about runs done on private servers, the XP isn't the same.
past tide
How do you know?
frosty haven
@night zephyr yeah but that was done years ago, there has been a lot of time to optimize
past tide
I don't
frosty haven
records are meant to be broken
distant saffron
@frosty haven I know of 2 atm
past tide
I'm curious how to prove how wrong private servers are
frosty haven
i think joana even said so that the record could be beaten
night zephyr
@frosty haven yeah, i know. I'm just saying it'll be broken but not by THAT much. maybe a day.
distant saffron
Onslaught and Return
frosty haven
iirc he said ~12 hours could be beaten
night zephyr
@past tide there's video of Joana doing a quest on live vanilla nad the same quest done on private and the XP is different.
distant saffron
And its not just 40 people
Theres an entire guild - support players, farmers, etc
night zephyr
@past tide most private servers pull from wrath or BC XP values when it was buffed.
distant saffron
That has been fixed 12 months ago
night zephyr
@past tide I can show you video proof if you want.
past tide
For sure, don't mind check it out
frosty haven
i mean the XP being different or not doesnt mean the record cant be beaten
distant saffron
Nost probably used TBC values
frosty haven
it was set years ago
distant saffron
But then again, nost was pretty garbage coding wise
night zephyr
Well, first off, you should know that Joana's 4 day 20 hour run is currently streaming on twitch.
It's kind of fun to watch.
the fastest run so far on a private server/emulated is 3 days 9 hours played
frosty haven
just imagine how many more speedrunners will try and beat the record now that an official version of the game will be out
night zephyr
Well I know Joana is going to try to beat that.
We've been talking about it in his discord and his twitch channel
frosty haven
i bet the 116hrs or w/e was set by joana will be a benchmark for fast levellers, and the record will be something pretty disgustingly low like sub 100 hours
night zephyr
@past tide for comparison sake, look at these two videos
and
and compare the xp gained from the quest
varrak got 5000 and 400, Joana got 3600 and 2800
night zephyr
But, yeah, Joana is racing. I think he'll win again. I hope he wins again.
I used his guide for a bunch of different toons while leveling.
To be honest, I didn't know there were guild dedicating to leveling up.
What about the MC attunement and the rep to douse the symbols?
night zephyr
@distant saffron Oof. Honored with Hydraxian waterlords.
night zephyr
Ok, well won't that be slower than regular leveling?
cause it's gotta be the same mages to do all of it.
distant saffron
AOE grinding is fastest levelling
And you can split it into 2
And have 2 mages do it - with an extra person to leech xp, thats 4 people ez levelled
Tanks get boosted in HG/Sorrow hill, and start farming gear with healers
DPS make their own way, and get caught up using the mages
night zephyr
We got the poisoned fuckers in EPL, Blackrock Spire Emberseer, buncha shit in MC, honored and then killing a bunch of bosses. Were in 1.12 so we can get the unconsumable version at revered.
distant saffron
poisoned fuckers is easy, same with the firts boss in UBRS
night zephyr
Yeah
distant saffron
then the MC stuff is just a case of having a support warlock at hydrax island
and summon back and forth from MC/Island
past tide
Just saying
distant saffron
The CD version has an hour cooldown
night zephyr
Ok. I think it'll take 2 weeks. I guess we'll see.
@past tide "The Eternal Quintessence, a permanent, non-consumable version of the Aqual Quintessence, was introduced in Patch 1.11 for players once they have reached revered reputation with the Hydraxian Waterlords. This eliminates the need for players to travel to Azshara every week in order to summon Combat 15 Majordomo Executus in the Core"
past tide
Again
past tide
1.12 doesn't mean all the content available at said patch in Vanilla
night zephyr
I guess we'll see. I know I won't be leveling that fast. I don't even have a guild. Hell, I don't even know where I'd find a guild.
distant saffron
In some ways, thats kinda better
IF eternal has an hour CD, then you need to wait 3 hours after you kill Sulfuron to douse all runes
With regular one, you can just insta get a new one
By leaving the instance and going to azshara
past tide
Also the biggest delay of UBRS would be imo getting the bloody ring
Not the instance itself
distant saffron
Thats why you have your tanks/healers boosted ASAP by mages
past tide
Obviously you give the gems to the same guy you still depend on RNG
distant saffron
so you can have multiple runs going
And swap people who need different gems in each froup
*group
night zephyr
Oh yeah, seal of ascension would suuuck
you could get cockblocked by that hard.
yeah, naw, ima take my time. lol.
night zephyr
it would be an insane effort. I guess i just don't see the point, but people are gonna try to do it anyway, lol
past tide
Point is... The same point I find pushing raider io
distant saffron
the point is to be the best
past tide
If you have fun one way or another, power to you and all that
distant saffron
same reason guilds will stack 25 furies to get the fastest clear
modern garden
it would be cool but nobody would give a fuck 1-2 weeks later when everyone starts killing him
modern garden
yea
would be cool to see but i doubt a single guild can pull it off. maybe a server effort
distant saffron
its not just 40 people, as I said
its a group - 40 raiders, support players, summon players, etc
modern garden
yea
hollow reef
i honestly dont give two shits about world firsts in a video game
humble bragging yay
main hemlock
world firsts of 14yo raids everyone knows inside out
you only need 2 weeks off to speed level and prep with a shit bucket 👌
night zephyr
^
I might even go so far as to say that guilds that massively pre-plan like that ruin some of the community on the server.
When servers opened up, for the most part, nobody knew anybody and everybody was getting to know each other. Who you played at the same time with, who was good, who was bad, who got that nice recipe drop before anybody else, etc.
Guilds that grind to 60 first and kill MC first just means you have a clique of people who won't play with anybody else until everybody else is caught up AND it means once they finish raiding their MC for the night they'll either do regualr 60 stuff or run back to STV or something and gank.
And having people in pre-raid gear with a smattering of MC and maybe BWL gear while people are leveling is just.. bullshit.
modern river
Before the BC pre-patch came out, what was the absolute best weapon and shield a prot warrior could have?
night zephyr
weapon was Thunderfury
Shield probably something from Naxx.
unless you were talking about aoe tanking and then probably still abunch of force reactive disks
frosty haven
or just be a man and dw tank
frosty haven
i dont remember, i'm sure you can find a bis list somewhere
modern river
Oh, I thought Thunderfury was a 2H?
night zephyr
nope
modern river
Alright.
I guess it makes sense since all legendaries were really hard to get back then.
And expensive.
night zephyr
incredibly. I know people who never saw a second binding for years and years while clearing MC every week.
modern river
Jeez.
night zephyr
private servers have increased drop rates of bindings afaik, so it's a little skewed.
modern river
Never played on a private server.
steel lantern
I've only ever seen 1 of the bindings drop
frosty haven
top end guilds will run splits to get bindings
modern river
Splits?
frosty haven
like splitting up the main raid into smaller groups and puggin the rest
and reserving the drops they need
or also just running it on alts, and doing splits that way
just rotate the mains around
if you have enough people with raid capable alts its better than pugging the slots
modern river
Well I guess we now know why so many people neglected work and such to play.
The time investment seems insane.
frosty haven
initially yeah, but if you can overcome that first big hurdle you can ride the wave and stay ahead pretty easily
you only need to get geared up once
night zephyr
the time investment of retail has nothing on the time investment in classic
its a whole different animal
when it takes 3 to 4 days played to get to 60...
frosty haven
it doesnt compare very cleanly, you can be a low time investing casual in both games
just in retail you can atleast do normal raids with little time invested
frosty haven
but imo, if you want to be a top CE guild in retail, it takes more time and skill than the typical classic raider
hollow reef
It’s funny. My warrior has a left binding and my mage has the right binding
main hemlock
a lot more, classic needs time farming stuff
frosty haven
@night zephyr how long it takes to clear depends on the skill of your group
its not uncommon for guilds to clear MC in less than 2 hours, even less than 1 hour for many is doable
main hemlock
i guess that takes some time, but not like farming AP and islands and stuff
night zephyr
I mean, yeah, but maybe not first week.
frosty haven
depends on how much time you spend getting geared outside of the raid
main hemlock
i remember clearing MC under 1hr when we were quite geared
frosty haven
its doable, but not easy
very few guilds will pull it off
but i think it will happen unless there is some major problem with servers on launch
main hemlock
also about bindings, never saw the other half drop in over a year of clearing MC every week
also only one of other
one eye of rag
steel lantern
^
main hemlock
or sulfuras w/e
past tide
also do not think on only one weapon/shield. Ideally you carry several and for different reasons
either the mace from Gnomergan or Egineering Shield as most obvious examples
also MC on prebis shouldnt go up to more than 2hours with half decent group
cunning tartan
hi all
distant saffron
o/
royal topaz
on topic of thunderfury bindings i have 12 across all my chars rn
left and right on my druid 🤙🏻
past tide
I'll build a guild for Classic, and I shall be the first hunter with a thunderfury
steel lantern
Every weapon is bis for hunters
bright peak
Gimme that ranged weapon for pulling / stat stick.
wintry tartan
got sulf TF and warblades on my warr. to bad only DH get a legendary mog.
tribal fractal
does anyone remember this old video where someone showed how overpowered warriors where for leveling and then blizz hired him and nerfed warriors ?
distant saffron
Indalamar
jade fog
Game wasnt even released when this video was made. Wasnt it beta or smthing?
hollow reef
maybe
i kinda recall people saying Berserker Stance got nerfed because of it
oh damn
he auto attack critted for 2400
that's high
steel lantern
Yeah that's insane fo vanilla numbers
modern river
So I'm guessing charge wasn't a thing?
steel lantern
Charge was but only out of combat
steel lantern
That seems like the kind of thing they would fix
hollow reef
There was two types of charge
Charge and Intercept
Charge was out of combat and generated rage. dont think it stunned
Berserker Stance had Intercept, which was basically charge with a longerish stun
and had a rage cost
was redundant
steel lantern
Charge had a 1.5s stun iirc
hollow reef
forgot how in vanilla anything that did >2k damage was ridiculously high
waxen solstice
Ya charge had a stun in vanilla to compensate for location issues when charging a moving target
solar matrix
also just because low amount of stuns in general
only stuns in the game were what
rogue stuns, HOJ, bash, intimidate, warrior charges, impact/blackout
bright peak
Cause pvp wasn’t balanced and engagements where incredibly short
main hemlock
yep 1 shotting people literally, not complaining it was fun
bright peak
Was fun to do. Not fun to have done to you.
Didn’t happen to me frequently until right before pre patch for BC
hollow reef
i mostly pvped as a rogue so it rarely happened to me
i was the one doing the one shotting
hunters though were my bane
Since they'd do the F/D ice trap macro and instantly freeze you
stand on top of flare so you couldnt get the jump on them
modern river
past tide
You do realise that's not Vanilla? Or 1.12 for that matter.
modern river
I thought it was a private server.
And I also thought that private servers and Vanilla were similar enough to consider that impressive..
dreamy ice
private servers are a mess
even the ones that are close to vanilla have enough bugs and differences that they're not really the same
past tide
No warrior in 1.12 had victory rush or heroic throw
Devastate was also from tbc, not like it matters since it was quite the meme of a skill
hollow reef
I mean
They could have Devastate if it was the TBC Patch
but yeah, Heroic Throw and Victory Rush are the indicators that something is not like the other
health is the give away too
he has 9600 HP
that's 100% TBC health
pulsar geyser
You couldn't use TC in Defensive stance , it was a Battle Stance only.
past tide
Certainly Thunder Clap was an example of just weird game design. Though I reckon they maybe wanted to limit aoe tanking as much as possible.
vapid osprey
Wouldn’t make sense for it to be unless said character had t3 prior to cata since T3 was unobtainable from wotlk till MOP
If it was a live toon but probably a p server
solar matrix
seems more likely that its someone with vanilla BIS gear on a cata server than that its some kind of weird af
cata server but with naxx stuff attainable
slender scarab
😬
uncut hare
twin oar
Lol people are freaking out over this sharding thing
modern garden
they're stupid people who don't understand the scope/reasoning for it
or dumbass purists who would rather the game be garbage for the first 12 levels because "muh nostalgia"
idle shale
yeah I'll take the sharding for the early zones any day
like good lord it would be awful lol
modern garden
most people will quit before lvl 30 anyway
idle shale
probably
modern garden
ill get mad when epl is sharded but ill also get mad when i get ganked constantly just trying to farm
classic lyfe
idle shale
didn't they also say it was only going to shard the entry zones
steel lantern
Yeah only entry zones and only for the first couple days while the pop there is crazy
solar matrix
I mean I just hope it doesn't last
All of phase one
And that it's very transparent
You log in and it tells you "you are on layer 3"
idle shale
they said it will only be a few days and maybe weeks at most if the demand is that large
solar matrix
have they said a few days and maybe weeks?
the only dev statement ive heard is
"never exist outside p1"
idle shale
solar matrix
ah its just
what tips said
idk
he didnt really source that comment
and specifically said Ion said none past p1
so
im still worried for now
faint raft
Gonna be levelling with a Disc Priest and another Arms Warrior. Should I just go Arms/Prot hybrid to meme through dungeons with them?
faint raft
dungeons without the second Shield Block stack talent
What if I don't want to die
solar matrix
its leveling dungeons my man
you're crippling yourself outside of dungeons
and clearing those dungeons slower
in exchange for taking slightly less damage
waxen solstice
If you really want to level while doing every dungeons, there’s definite utility in the non-prot trees that will help a lot. Reduced HS cost, parry chance, TM, SS etc just in arms
past tide
I'd argue Tactical Mastery would give you more survival in early dungeons than that improved shield block
waxen solstice
Yep ^
upbeat crest
Canit going prot in classic 🤔
upbeat crest
Idk you been talking in war chan about prot and stuff lol
narrow sedge
Who here hyped for classic!
solar matrix
im making a guild thats a combination of like
all my retail guilds from the last decade and bunch of friends/friend of friends to fill it out
its gonna be a fuckin banger
bright peak
I’m excited for classic in the hopes that y’all do well enough for them to open tbc or wotlk servers.
Doubt I’ll play much on classic - did it enough during release and I’m not a college kid able to play like I used to
modern garden
yea i definitely want them to extend it to TBC and WotLK
past tide
All I ask for is they give beta to someone else than God damn towilie or tipsout
Or give me one, that will solve all my issues
past tide
As long is one I can watch without cringe myself every second
twin oar
Naxx isn't hard
past tide
That's not the point, the point is claim you can clear it in less than a week
In a bloody fresh server
bright peak
I don’t think naxx would be cleared in a week if it was available - purely from a gear check stand point of patchwork
modern garden
surprised you dont think it would be sub 1mo
distant saffron
I'm being conservative
idle shale
gear check in Naxx would be pretty legitimately tough from that standpoint though
distant saffron
Ehh
You can farm the icebane sets
And trash farm would ensure your melee have ultra strong gear as well
hollow reef
if i played a TBC remake i kinda would want to be a shadow pirest
Shadow Priest was always fun for me
heal and give mana back. best of both worlds
crimson jay
TBC Shadow was awesome. lack of AoE spells was not cool tho
hollow reef
TBC class balance felt really good
because it made the useless specs useful
and it didnt add so much that every class needed a redesign.
main hemlock
season 1 to 4 all over again yesss
languid ocean
anyone gotten a closed beta invite yet?
blissful zenith
raven cedar
https://account.blizzard.com/games it will show up here before on the launcher.
inner salmon
I'm currently a paladin on horde side, so I've got to reroll for classic since all my friends play horde as well.
Part of me wants to roll warrior since they're supposedly busted especially as gear gets stronger but, my DK tank friend is going to roll warrior most likely since he can't be a dk.
Is it beneficial for a group of friends to have two of the same class, maybe for gear drop reasons or something else? Normally I like being a snowflake playing a different class than everyone else
lavish marlin
Being a snowflake in a 40man raid is a hard thing to do.
Maybe the SPriest of the raid or a feral offtank
frosty haven
@inner salmon in 5 man content it can be annoying but that stuff doesnt matter very much, in 40 man content you want as many of the OP classes as possible to ensure smooth runs
but the number one rule is play what you want
lyric abyss
,
idle shale
Unless you have a specific goal of trying to go like super hard on clearing stuff. Definitely just play the class you want to play
warriors are busted with gear it's true, but if you aren't raiding BWL and higher that difference isn't going to be very large
and if you don't really plan to raid, just play what you think you will have fun playing
inner salmon
I just meant snowflake among my group of 5-7 friends, obviously I won't be unique in a raid scenario
idle shale
pvp, dungeons, professions. There is plenty there
inner salmon
I loved raiding in Legion (my first expansion), raid leaded in my guild and pugged at a heroic level, just started doing mythic before the expac ended, so I'd definitely want to do high-end raiding if possible
I just have 0 knowledge about classic or vanilla metagame, structure, etc other than what people loudly say on reddit and so on, like "warrior is the only tank" "priest is the only healer" and "hybrid classes are trash unless you're healing"
idle shale
Those are not exactly untrue statements. Warrior was pretty far and away the best tank, feral wasn't bad though. Warriors and rogues are pretty busted for dps, but locks and mages are also strong. Most hybrid dps was garbage so they did end up healing in competitive environments.
I also think warrior is quite a lot of fun even in MC level gear. It pretty much fucking blows to level one, but it's great at end game haha
inner salmon
I thought only prot was bad leveling, because it's got bad aggro or rage generation
ah, so it lacks sustain?
idle shale
most classes didn't have any kind of healing, and warrior rage mechanics are pretty brutal in how they work while you're leveling
it deals low damage while leveling, it has no healing.
as melee you can't kite or anything like mages or hunters
a warrior is fine in dungeons while leveling, but if you're out solo questing/grinding (not uncommon) it's just a very weak class to do that while leveling
inner salmon
I'm guessing there won't be an LFG queue type thing in classic for doing dungeons while questing?
idle shale
there is not
inner salmon
well per my earlier question, if my friend is tanking as a warrior, and I'm playing a dps warrior, does that help us out as far as drops? Like how people stack plate users to get the type of gear they want? or does it not make a difference?
in dungeons, I mean
idle shale
that doesn't really matter in classic wow. There is no personal loot. Every boss just drops something from their loot table
So it's entirely possible for a boss to drop something that no one can use in a small group
idle shale
loot was rough in classic, there's no doubt about it
raid bosses drop 2 pieces of loot, for a 40 man raid
so ya know, it was just a very very slow process to gear
inner salmon
well sort of how hunters can use melee for stat sticks, do warriors benefit from having a high level ranged weapon for stats, for example?
inner salmon
what's the ranged equivalent of thunderfury? so I can remember to steal it from my ranged friend
inner salmon
damn, shame
idle shale
they didn't get a legendayr bow until Sunwell
but that bow was a hella stat stick
lmao
inner salmon
TF is a 1h sword right? do you still do the dual 2h swords as a warrior in classic?
idle shale
nope, has to be 1H
twin oar
It is 1H
inner salmon
so in a ridiculous situation I could dual wield thunderfurys?
idle shale
it's unique, I'm pretty sure
twin oar
that's impossible sine it' unique
inner salmon
tbh I'm excited to finally play WoW without warforging... knowing that the piece of gear you have is the best so you can stop worrying about it
so.. since warriors get more and more busted towards endgame loot, what kind of dps difference do they have with, say hunters, since that's my other option? assuming I don't hit super endgame for quite some time
twin oar
Hunters aren't really the best dps
They get worse by the end
They don't scale much with gear which is why they're good in MC
idle shale
in AQ/Naxx gear a warrior is going to shit all over a hunter in dps
but a warrior also shits on pretty much everyone at that point if they get the gear
and/or Thunderfury
twin oar
TF was mostly given to warrior tanks though
idle shale
that was because people didn't know how OP it was for dps early on, or even know at all what the fuck it was when the binding dropped
it's still an incredible tanking weapon, don't get me wrong
frosty haven
tanks also limit your dps if they cant hold threat
twin oar
^
frosty haven
@inner salmon i would wager that a warrior will always output more dps than a hunter, unless their ranged advantage is significant assuming equal gear and similar skill
but mostof the time being ranged doesnt matter much
inner salmon
not a lot of aoe/splash damage coming from enemies?
that's one of the things that always made me hesitant to play a melee dps class
well I think you sold me on warriors, though it'll definitely be a chore to level, by the sound of it. In vanilla, were racial differences enough to warrant choosing a race for their abilities? Is there any horde race better for warriors than the others?
main hemlock
orc smash
inner salmon
where are tauren on that chart? do they have anything that helps with warrior dps?
inner salmon
is the stamina/hp buff their only racial?
what does the orc have, is it the same active as in retail?
twin oar
Yeah same one just you get a debuff that decreases healing on you by 50% or something
Taurens have herbalism increased
and warstomp
idle shale
it's also a 25% ap buff, instead of a flat amount
it's a pretty damn good dps racial
and they have axe weapon skill and stun resist
twin oar
yeah
and damage dealt by pets is increased by 1%
which is useless for warrios anyway
Troll's berzerking was pretty much really weak compared to how it's now
so it's not worth it to make a troll
idle shale
it takes much longer to get full gear from a given tier for sure
it also takes longer to level
bright peak
I mean, warriors had a way to drop Aggro.
It was called rez - first by the out of combat healer (until that was patched) then later Druids / soulstones if I remember correctly
idle shale
with all the potions and shit you had to use, that's a fucking expensive way to handle that
lol
bright peak
It was what we did when it was necessary.
Needs dictated
Usually only had to do it once a fight then you where good
frosty haven
@twin oar berserking is good for tanks but in general orc is the best choice
peak solar
@idle shale thx. Just not sure I have the time to invest I remember my brother in elitist jerks spamming his keyboard for 12 hours on sundays until he got carpel tunnel
idle shale
there is no lack of stuff you can do that's for sure
Whether you were raiding, farming mats for raiding, doing profession stuff, trying to get that hand of justice for the 40th time in BRD, normal dungeons, farming Stratholme for orbs for crusader enchants, farming reps, pvp
but a good thought I saw from someone earlier. The magic of all that is it was up to you what you wanted to go spend your time on. The raiding mats were somewhat mandatory, but you didn't have this check list of random content that you had to go do every week before you could just focus on what you wanted
twin oar
Unless you get HoJ dropped for you on teh first time
peak solar
Yeah might just have as a side thing when I get bored. The amount I played then was problematic but I was also 9 and didn’t have any responsibilities
frosty haven
@idle shale i think a big part of it is the mandatory stuff is one and done, like reps and attunements
any other repeatable content was stuff to just do
twin oar
quit universtiy like me
you won't have responsibilities either
I don't think pots were mandatory for pre naxx
sure for min max
peak solar
I’m also wondering if 9 year old rose tinted glasses me remembers it being a lot more mysterious and fun than it actually is. Had this problem with swg emus recently
twin oar
no classic is the goat
inner salmon
were there lockouts and that type of timegate in classic? Like if I wanted to grind one dungeon for an item, could I spend a day doing it, or am I locked out for a day/week after I do it once?
frosty haven
to stop bots iirc
inner salmon
oh well yeah I know of the like, 10/hour cap for dungeons
frosty haven
but yeah you can run dungeons multiple times per day
inner salmon
didn't know if they had daily or weekly lockouts for dungeons or raids. so raids are still weekly? and bonus rolls dont exist?
frosty haven
correct
twin oar
imagien bonus rolls in classic
inner salmon
bonus rolls for bindings poggers
past tide
I don't hate personal loot, i hate Blizzard removing options for literally no reason
inner salmon
do they?
I like personal loot. However, I dislike that they removed other types of looting in bfa
twin oar
Wouldn't it be better with personal loot?
Imagine distributing like 5 epics to 25 people
past tide
I don't need to imagine it
frosty haven
forced personal is bad
inner salmon
isn't that what dkp was for?
frosty haven
DKP :yikes:
frosty haven
loot council or go home
twin oar
Dragon kill points
inner salmon
I like loot council in theory but I had bad experiences with funneling gear to friends of officers
twin oar
who thought this was agood name
idle shale
I wouldn't even mind personal loot if guild groups could trade more freely somehow
past tide
See this is like folk talking about toxicity everywhere they go
Just join a good guild
idle shale
like there only being 2-3 items on a boss loot table for you has a lot of nice side benefits instead of there being 5-7 items on a loot table for you
twin oar
Why do people not want PL on Classic
idle shale
because it wasn't part of classic
twin oar
it's way better than distributing 3 epics throughout 40 fucking people
idle shale
and the goal is for classic to be classic
twin oar
well yeah, I don't' want them to change anything eitehr
but that's pretty cancer
just saying
past tide
Is not
bright peak
Because personal loot is fucking cancer that’s why
frosty haven
in 40 man raids, you generally want to prioritize loot for BiS and not just random personal distribution
past tide
Is not like 40 random dudes kill a boss and the loot master Yolo the loot
twin oar
yeah which is why dkp sucks
past tide
Well that might be the case in shit guilds
bright peak
For most of the Uldir tier I was the only shield user in raid. I had a significantly lower chance of getting a shield - because no one could trade to me - than anyone else had for getting weapons
frosty haven
like 1 item could be on both the warrior and paladin loot tables, but it could be BiS for one class and awful for the other
personal loot could distribute incorrectly and it would be cancer
main hemlock
dkp is fine but loot council best
past tide
I mean at least in the guild I'm we know who gets what even before it drops
main hemlock
don't join a shit guild led by 15yo
past tide
And there is a public sheet of who gets what in careful order
main hemlock
y
bright peak
We used EPGP in the guild I was in in vanilla / BC
past tide
Of course LC can be shite if the leadership is shite
Like anything else in a social game
bright peak
Personal loot though is pure cancer and I wouldn’t wish that on anyone.
Another example. An ele shaman got a420 shield from first boss but didn’t have a mainhand so he couldn’t use it yet.
Meanwhile I was trying to get a shield since beginning of tier and didn’t get it. He couldn’t trade or use it - I needed it
frosty haven
@past tide imo LC is less likely to be shit than DKP for social reasons as well
generally the council is made of a few members so the accountability is very apparent
with DKP, you have 40 people who can potentially abuse the system. the more participants the less accountability you have, and when a few people abuse the system others justify abuse as well
so it just leads down the rabbit hole
past tide
The only way I see DKP working is with some boundaries at least
Aka someone that knows his stuff set up what items are available for certain specs
If os free for all on theory you could bloody hunter buying bindings
frosty haven
yeah, or minor upgrades going to DE because people are being cheap asses with their DKP
past tide
Dunno, I'll always go for LC but that's the way I play
frosty haven
i cant spend my points on this because what if BiS drop
most tilting shit
from a raid lead
perspective
past tide
I see meme specs or casual players more confortable with DKP, cero comunication, they raid log, they do they part, they log off
But in an actual team, cancer
bright peak
Epgp was great, I can’t remember how it worked but it tweaked the dkp system. And iirc didn’t punish getting / maintaining a second set which for warriors was great
Loot council is a great system too. You can funnel gear where it is best utilized. Typically you’ll see minimal gearing of tanks and healers - just enough to survive the encounters - and then it goes to dps so they can push the fights faster
We had 3 officers + a rotating raider on it for transparency. If a LC member requested an item they wouldn’t participate in deciding who got it
steel lantern
My guild kept a priority table for who was going to get what drops so going into a raid everyone already knew where the gear would end up
frosty haven
@bright peak epgp basically divided your effort points by your gear points
so the people with less gear and had good attendance had higher priority for bids
this system works in theory
but is still abuse able by purposely passing on minor upgrades to keep your gear points low in order to have priority on stuff you actually want
not to mention its hard to put a point value on gear in classic
bright peak
Maybe it was the guild I was in - I know people passed on shit for one another
frosty haven
yeah the thing is, people have incentive to pass on gear until its a drop they really want
which is pretty degenerate for progress
bright peak
Sorry, I misstated the point
Like, I wanted eye of rag (was arms main spec 31/5/15) - but they asked if I would pass and I said sure.
Basically just saying; the guild wasn’t full of douche bags and we would all submit requests - but when people asked usually it would pass to get where it was needed
frosty haven
yeah, but that same guild could use a LC and distribute even more efficiently, since they arent douchebags about gear
this is kind of the main argument for loot council, if the best system has only one flaw, social douches. a guild without that flaw should use LC
bright peak
If it works it works. It doesn’t matter since it is the past.
Any system can work - I’ve mentioned Lc works and is great
I was providing an example
frosty haven
yeah
i used both epgp and LC in the past, we switched to LC because we realized we can be mature about loot so why not
bright peak
I honesty don’t understand why this is an issue and you’re bringing it up like this.
frosty haven
its not an issue, people should use loot rules that best fit their guild
faint raft
go to twitch
every thumbnail is of some vaguely <level 30 content
says CLASSIC BETA in the stream name
click
it's literally just a screenshot of someone on some private server in the background while they complain that they aren't on Beta
12,000 viewers
I wonder why everyone hates Streamers, idk
inner salmon
Amazing
lament musk
the only time i watched anything from towliee was when firelands first came out, he just spoke about having sex with his girlfriend all the time while wiping his raid, he didn't look like a good player
gleaming karma
He's not a very good player no
faint raft
Have people been selected and allowed to even download the client yet? I can't get a straight answer out if we're just waiting on Servers to go up, or waiting on literally the whole show to get started.
faint raft
Fair enough, thanks.
solar matrix
invites arent out yet as far as i know
people on the shortlist for autoinvite have had it on launcher since yesterday
but i havent heard of a single person getting a random inv yet
and also the issue with towliee isn't that he's fuckign awful, most streamers are
it's that when nost got shut down the guy was literally GLOATING about the pserver players "getting what they deserved" and how "I played vanilla, it wasnt that good. WOD is better."
fuck em
faint raft
WOD is better.
That sentiment gets dudes shot out in the hood, regardless what it's being compared against.
idle shale
I can't decide what to play between hunter/lock/war. Doubt I'll ever raid, but prob be fun to fuck around and pvp a bit.
faint raft
I like how all these years have made it so everyone's come to a completely, violently, different conclusion about how good Hunter was or wasn't.
Like, we all are in agreement that Warrior was elder god-tier. Warlock was god-tier. Mage was, too.
And then about half of players say Hunter was an unplayable, useless mess. And the other half say it was up there with Arms. What were you guys' experiences?
hollow reef
@idle shale I was thinking hunter for that reason too. They seemed pretty good for PvP
idle shale
yeah they are solid, also one of the best leveling classes and just doing stuff out in the world
hollow reef
i just dont have time to raid anymore. I didnt have a wife and kids 15 years ago
crimson jay
Hunters suffer from bad gear scaling that's why they drop behind other DPS a lot in endgame
they are sick for leveling, soloing, farming and wPvP tho...I guess that evens it out
basically reversed Warrior 🤔
tender estuary
beta client is up
though i suppose not many here has gotten invited in the first wave
strange berry
gleaming karma
yeah first wave tends to be that
modern garden
i like when they call an obvious promotional stunt a "beta"
slender scarab
There's people without contacts in the beta. I have a few friends in the first wave
crimson jay
I would assume they just handpicked streamers and F&F list. everyone else is probably pure RNG based on some other factors (active sub, playtime, previous betas, etc etc)
frosty haven
basically, they do this every beta
solar matrix
i dont think ive ever seen it this bad though
I dont know a single person in beta
when usually its almost like a majority of people i play with who are in
through various connects
slender scarab
People always get salty every beta when they don't get in, the cycle continues
solar matrix
Twitter
at least towlie, the guy who hated private servers and claimed WOD was better than Nost, is in
gleaming karma
I really don't see why you should care this much
Its their beta they can do whatever they want
distant saffron
He tried to right click report someone within 30 mins of being in the game
gleaming karma
Sucks to suck
slender scarab
We're in the era of snowflakes playing a game made in a different time, can't wait to see some of these pampered streamers get into some WPVP.
Nothing but crying about ganking and reports based on sniping
grave yarrow
i remember soda saying he'll report people for camping him a while ago
slender scarab
he also said he would pay people to carry him, tag mobs for him
streamers want to, and will be pampered
modern garden
@distant saffron you got that towellie clip
distant saffron
solar matrix
wtf you cant say horny
modern garden
ur fucking banned kid
tidal bloom
rip
misty bolt
Fuck that guy
past tide
Good thing
serene ridge
hey what is the trick with the /sit ?
serene ridge
was only on vanilla?
slender scarab
yep it was mangos bug
fixed in some servers, most didn't fix it because they're just code copiers with no real knowledge of the core
it was a situational thing anyways, warriors, rets, shamans
serene ridge
oh okay thx!
past tide
I've even prot pallys fucking around with it to get a burst on aggro
Annoying as hell as Healer
bright peak
What was the sit bug?
idle shale
I think they are referring to sitting down making you get crit
which would trigger various things on some classes back in classic/tbc
frosty haven
which wont work in classic
idle shale
^
idle shale
they got to hit people through pillars in TBC arenas too
xd
pretty sure they didn't change it until wrath, but it might have gotten fixed in s3 or 4 of TBC
bright peak
I could have sworn it worked in vanilla. That’s how they forced the reckoning kill on Kazzak
frosty haven
it wasnt /sit abuse, just abusing duel
idle shale
^
bright peak
I knew it was a rogue dueling him with twostarter daggers but I thought it involved /sit to get crit.
I’ve never played a private server and could have sworn that was a thing
frosty haven
it works on private servers to my knowledge
but in vanilla you just needed to auto attack for ages, they fixed it by capping reckoning not by fixing /sit crit
bright peak
Yeah - to 5 charges max
I’m not saying the /sit crit was what they fixed - more that it was what the paladin used to make it go faster.
I mean I guess I’m wrong - but I even remember turning from bosses and spamming a button to sit when a wipe was called
frosty haven
well yeah, you still get crit from sitting
but it doesnt proc abilities that benefit from being crit
bright peak
Oh. Alright. Fair enough - I thought you where saying sitting doesn’t cause crits.
I misunderstand
frosty haven
👍
yeah i failed to mention that detail, its not that /sit crit is a bug
its rather abilities that benefit from being crit dont work while sitting
bright peak
Less abusable. It’s a rare case but it exists - like reckoning.
I could easily see that being a bug on private servers - detecting the difference between what caused the crit being harder for people to fix if they don’t know coding that well
frosty haven
yeah, or just being lazy and not bothering to make the distinction
bright peak
Truth
frosty haven
because it is a bug
misty bolt
Are you talking about thr reckbomb here or sit macro
frosty haven
i'm talking about sit spam proccing enrage/bloodcraze/reck
reckbomb wasnt because of sit abuse
it was because reck was uncapped
misty bolt
Cuz not including the 2nd is dumb and makes fury pretty pointless
frosty haven
fury
pointless
what