It really depends on the patch that Classic will be
#vanilla-discussion
raw tangle
Since items changed a lot
Also some gear listed in pre-raid is crafted from plans that drop in raids
distant saffron
Does the list still have 17% hit as BiS for warrior?
raw tangle
Haven’t checked
distant saffron
Yup, back to ignoring it
raw tangle
I won’t play DW
I took it with a grain of salt. Since with either Human or Orc you only need 6% hit
distant saffron
9%
BT doesn't suffer from the Wep skill penalty
so you need full 9% hit :feelsbadman:
distant saffron
🤔
What
- why are you arms in raids 2) Theres no such thing as expertise in vanilla
distant saffron
Weapon skill doesn't affect BT
so you need the full 9%
I mean if you're playing arms, then it's a lost cause anyway tbh
distant saffron
ok and against Raid bosses, you need 9% because Bloodthirst, your main ability, doesn't recieve benefits from weapon skill
We also 1) Don't know the actual formula 2) don't know the full hitcap
distant saffron
very good
ehhhhh
by the time you start reaching soft crit cap, you have enough rage to be converting most swings into HS
9% then stack AP/Crit is bis strat tbh
main hemlock
not nearly all swings if i remember tbh
and those good pieces had hit anyways
its not all about HS
more hit a lot of AA damage
main hemlock
no but more AA more rage more damage and AA crits were big
rememvber having like 40% crit 15% hit
distant saffron
ok lets play a game of "completely ignore what I said"
by the time you start reaching soft crit cap, you have enough rage to be converting most swings into HS
So your rage gen is coming from your OH
and you have a choice
+1 crit on 35% of your damage
or +1% crit on the other 65%, which also gets an extra 10% bonus damage when you crit due to impale
woven torrent
DiM
modern river
What's that?
woven torrent
Dire maul
woven torrent
Lot's of vendor trash and rares ye
modern river
Alright.
What about professions?
I'll be playing a warrior so I'll probably have to pick Mining and Blacksmithing though.
modern river
Couldn't I just level another character for that though?
woven torrent
Ye
modern river
Use that as a main farming character and funnel what I need to my main warrior.
woven torrent
Mage is good for it
hollow reef
my group of friends and I always did LBRS runs
we'd sell the fire shield potion recipe for moneys
modern river
The fire shield that's worth millions at this point?
hollow reef
maybe?
modern river
The skull shield?
hollow reef
sec, lemme link
modern river
I migt be thinking of the wrong instance.
hollow reef
hollow reef
We had LBRS down to like 20 minutes iirc
modern river
I thought you said "Fire shield" and "potion"
hollow reef
because you could skip a lot of it
hollow reef
i dont think there's really a wrong answer for farming $$$ dungeon wise. As long as you have friends and could clear quickly
we just noticed that when we did LBRS, we had a ton of money
all of this talk for vanilla makes me wanna play it so bad now
hollow reef
i played Wrath more than I played TBC
skipped Uldir all together though
or whatever it was called
I still like when people complain about raid dungeon difficulty. I always point out, "I dont think any guilds in Wrath with the exception of like 1-2 defeated 0 light Yogg"
modern river
I haven't really played Warrior until BfA.
All the way up to BfA I've mained the same DK.
God I miss Blood DPS.
And Frost tanking
raw tangle
I would farm Crusader enchant and sell that. Kill the Scarlet Crusade guys in Eastern PL
solar matrix
someone who really really wanted ore
frosty haven
@modern river best profession for warrior is engineering
modern river
@frosty haven Yeah, but are secondary professions a thing? In that case, which is the best for gold making?
royal topaz
id guess mining would be big for the legendary crafting potential
but then LW BS and Tailor would be good for the frost resist gear
but then enchanting idk how that was in vanilla
herbalism for raid consumables
solar matrix
Best money maker is go BS and will yourself to get first Lionheart helm recipe on server
Easy fucking money
fringe hazel
Do you guys think that it would be wiser to go Prot Warrior or Bear Tank for someone with a tight schedule? I want to tank, but I don't know if I'm going to have the time to devote to a crazy amount of gearing competition. I don't need to MT, even though I would. I'll probably have to do a fair amount of pugging, just due to my schedule. I'm open to thoughts and suggestions.
idle shale
I think it depends on what else you want to do. If you aren't tanking what are you going to be doing in the game? If that answer is damage dealing I'd say warrior since dps druids are pretty much a meme
but if healing would be fun to you if you aren't tanking play the druid. Warrior is obviously the best tank, but I remember Guardian being more than fine. Our second main tank in AQ and Naxx was a guardian druid lol, or feral druid. whatever they were.
fringe hazel
I'm leaning towards Bear. I know they get a lot of negative feedback from people, but they are still great tanks if you know what you're doing. Most of my time in game will be farming for gear and farming in general. Plus, you know, big bear ass.
idle shale
I don't really know anything about druids in vanilla haha, but I suspect you could prob farm well on one
another thing to remember, for anyone in vanilla, like you can seriously do and play pretty much whatever you want. We cleared the content with all kinds of "meme specs" and we were bad back in the day.
If your only goal is to do the most damage possible in raids and clear raid content as quick as possible, well then you know what your options are and they are limited. But if you're just trying to experience the game again. Do it the way you want, play what you want. It won't matter, mostly.
fringe hazel
Sounds like a plan. Thanks.
plain jungle
Also if you want to do dungeons
You can mostly run any tank
Though it's what artunias said
U can probably do whatever u want
With today's knowledge and skjll
Everything becomes way easier
slender scarab
You can PvP one another in the world, but there is no tracking, and no formal rewards for doing so.
Phase 2
Honor System (including Dishonorable Kills)
PvP Rank Rewards
Phase 3
Alterac Valley (version 1.12 42)
Warsong Gulch
Phase 4
Arathi Basin
Phase 6
World PvP objectives in Silithus and Eastern Plaguelands```1.12 gear with no BGs
Gonna be hilarious, people grinding hundreds of wpvp kills a week to get gear that's far better than BWL gear
🤔
slender scarab
Do you think this will be the thing again? https://www.wowhead.com/item=19160/contest-winners-tabard
idle shale
@solar matrix It still took 3 months to progress through the system to GM/HWL and I don't think they've specified if the gear will appear in 1.12 form. I want to think they said it would updated along the side the same content it did during the first run of the game
solar matrix
They specified it'll be 1.12 gear
idle shale
but even if it doesn't you're looking at 4-6 months and only like a handful of people would have it? idk /shrug
solar matrix
In that post
Specifically
The items you earn from the PvP Rank Rewards will be the versions from patch 1.12.
I don't think it's game ruining or anything
idle shale
oh, ok yeah I see that. Still, the time investment is very, very high
solar matrix
Just funny
Gonna be a huge shitshow
People trying to get rank ups just wpvping
Poopsock zerging around with araid group ganking people for gear that's far better than the gear people progging through bwl are getting
idle shale
tbf there won't really be any progression lol
solar matrix
I mean for good guilds ya
Always far more bad people playing than good people
There are heroic """""progression""""" guilds rn lmao
idle shale
and heroic raids right now are 100x harder than anything in classic
and also new
the formula is already cracked for every single vanilla boss, and they are pretttty simple
solar matrix
The mechanics are harder
The logistics of vanilla are harder
The average guild isn't going to be running into BWL with full BIS + consumes + world buffs + optimized comp
idle shale
most people didn't have that back in the day either. All I'm saying is the game is super easy, it just took a lot of time. And people were bad at the game in general
you don't need optimal comps or full world buffs and shit to kill bosses with today's knowledge
I mean damn, no one had anything like an optimal comp back in 2005 lol. Which is why you see bosses explode in 10 seconds when they stack 30 fury warriors or whatever
solar matrix
The game is still super easy and people fuck it up
Like yeah BWL is easy
But so is everything outside the last like 3 bosses in mythic BOD
Even without the mechanical difficulty it's much easier to wipe in BWL than something like heroic BoD because a simple mistake like pulling threat = raid gets cleaved and dies
And then wipes are much more punishing because runbacks + rebuffs take significant time, and trash respawns
unborn creek
we can figure out what's harder by seeing which content causes more overtime police posts
idle shale
xd
solar matrix
God I can't wait to catch the first guild reclearing trash after raid time is over
🚔
loud stag
I hope the wpvp system during p1 doesnt deter people who havent capped from the game
Imagine getting home from work to see all the quest npcs dead or you just log on and get camped cos someone wants the honor
But then again, at least people would actually bother to raid capital cities without losing honor
Then in p2 people are gonna camp flight paths probably so you die as soon as you land, hopefully its all fine tho and that happening is rare
solar matrix
i mean killing anyone 50 or below gives a 60 0 honor
and with DHKs killing NPCs can straight up lose you honor
so i doubt thats a problem
solar matrix
48 is the cut off for DHK maybe
distant saffron
if you havent hit 60 by p2 launch, gl moving :feelsbadman:
distant saffron
you can't get DHK from killing players
distant saffron
You can still get honour from level 48's
or was it 49?
I never ganked that low while ranking
always felt super bad
solar matrix
lemme find the formula
Ye grey is 51
9 levels like i thought
gonna need a steady diet of high levels to get any ranks
distant saffron
mobs, not players
solar matrix
it's the same formula
solar matrix
damn so there was a brakcet where they were skull but you werent grey
weird
god its gonna be a shitshow
cant wait
crude edge
i mean classic raids ain't easy chief
mechanics are simple
but
oof does it take quite awhile to get the gear and consumable etc. to even get started let alone clear
gleaming karma
They;re harder in a different way sure
But even then
Im just seeing these raids just finish in literally an hour
idle shale
You don’t need all those consumables and gear though with today’s skill and knowledge
gleaming karma
guys in mostly blues killing shazzrah in like 45s
idle shale
^
distant saffron
The content isn't hard, as long as people actually have half a brain cell
gleaming karma
People understand the game way more and arent totally shit
distant saffron
unfortunately, a lot of people don't
Even the top guilds have 1 or 2 :pepega: players
idle shale
I’m still pretty convinced a huge majority of people are gonna roll the content hard until maybe like later AQ bosses
distant saffron
oh ofc they will
As long as people aren't completely stupid, then the content is a piece of cake
gleaming karma
love watching classic guilds do it now
their raids are like
1/3rd warrior/rogue
distant saffron
you aren't truly strong until you do our 36 melee comp
idle shale
I’m probably just going to be a hunter lol. Not sure I’ll ever raid, but I do think hunter will be fun to fuck around on and do bgs
lucid bluff
eh yeah classic content is a big joke really, not to mention the many outside factors you can use to speed clear as well. eg world buffs, songflower, dm buffs etc etc
if you cbad to get them lol
gleaming karma
People have all the info at their fingertips too
distant saffron
oh hey, its ned stark
good warrior
I know a lot of these players lmao, but I guess its ONSLAUGHT after all
lucid bluff
yeh i got a friend who plays in onslaught and he showed me all the speed clears they do lol
gleaming karma
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-N9wSjTTPY this is a speedclear of naxx
its wild
lucid bluff
thinking about joining them myself
solar matrix
a private server speed clear
gleaming karma
distant saffron
@lucid bluff who's your friend?
solar matrix
private servers a million issues
lucid bluff
goes by Jam most cases
solar matrix
including hit tables and boss armor values
distant saffron
yeah, content is way overtuned
boss armor between 900-1700 too high
WF doesnt apply bonus AP
lucid bluff
i mean yeah, it could have any kind of issues you never know
doesnt really change the fact the contents a joke/easy
distant saffron
the content is gonna be easy as fuck on classic
lucid bluff
im sure nothing will change for these lads on classic release..
if thats the argument
er well not argument per se. makes it sound aggressive when i dont mean to lmao
solar matrix
i dunno if you've played much with the
"top pserver player" crowd
but they are by and large
fuckin awful
so we'll see
would be good laughs to see retail babbs beat them
distant saffron
yeah, so the content is gonna be ez as fuck then
distant saffron
like, a lot of the top players are pretty pepega
solar matrix
i mean they are doing way more damage than they should
distant saffron
but thats because they've all been split across a lot of guilds
distant saffron
🤔
solar matrix
but they'll so way more damage than they should on classic
distant saffron
I literally just told you
distant saffron
armor is too high
solar matrix
doesnt matter lol
armor is too low bud
a lot of tehse servers literally
have no idea what the value was
distant saffron
prove it
solar matrix
set it to 0
solar matrix
pserver players..
distant saffron
`Substance vs Patchwerk 2 (https://youtu.be/-bc6wjWcThk).
In the clip, the boss has 5 sunders applied, for a total reduction of 2250 armor.
At 1:13, the warrior uses Bloodthirst while he has the crusader buff up, which hits for 724 damage.
At 1:14, the crusader buff fades.
At 1:19, the warrior uses Bloodthirst with no crusader up, which hits for 646.
724-646 = 78 added BT damage from Crusader.
Crusader should add 200 (100 STR) * 1.1 (Kings adds 10% stats) * 0.45 = 99 damage to BT.
Therefore, the amount of damage reduced by armor is 1 - 78/99.
Solving (x - 2250) / (60 * 85 + 400 + x - 2250) = 1 - 78/99 gives us a situation where x = 3730, proving Patchwerk should have 3730 armor.`
In the Naxx speedclear linked, patchwerk has 5491 armor
thats over 1700 more armor than blizzlike
solar matrix
that should really tell you
everything you ened ot know
about how fuckin
fly by night
these values are
distant saffron
almost like Pservers buff content
in order to stop people thinking "this is too easy!"
🤔
distant saffron
so, what would 1700 less armor do? slow it down?
distant saffron
explain to me then
solar matrix
its all pretty pointless anyway
solar matrix
vanilla =/= pservers =/= classic
less damage
my man
youve got
fury warriors doing 1400 dps
on pw
in that run
solar matrix
yeah people just didnt know those buffs existed in 2006?
distant saffron
I mean, ofc they did
distant saffron
But this was 2 weeks worth of raid logging and buff gathering
solar matrix
hes doing like 50% more dps than a GOOD fury warrior on vanilla PW
distant saffron
Substance vs Patchwerk 2 (https://youtu.be/-bc6wjWcThk).
solar matrix
the fuck is wrong with that damage meter
solar matrix
yeah so you think its more plausible that people have pulled
1000 dps out of their ass
than the servers with dodgy coding in a million areas also have dodgy coding in hit tables and armor values
well wait this is server first
his gear is shit
bad comparison regardless
but bis is only gonna make it the 50% i talked about earlier
distant saffron
with full BiS gear, full wbuffs (including 45% stats, 15% extra damage, and a solid 20% crit +400 AP), proper rotation
thats not gonna make 1000 DPS on a much shorter fight?
with higher CD Uptime?
distant saffron
This is peak 2006 man
solar matrix
it really isnt
you can argue maybe people didnt know to hamstring fish for procs
but im gonna go ahead and guarantee
people knew what berserker stance was lmao
distant saffron
yup!
solar matrix
fucking retards cleared naxx then
distant saffron
and if he can pull 622 DPS on a 6 min fight, with this level of skill?
solar matrix
fucking retards clear naxx on pservers now
fucking retards clear mythic bod now
its nothing new
fury warriors doing like 1k
Was good fury warrior damage
distant saffron
so 12 years isn't enough to refine how to play your class, get full Wbuffs (see above for some of the benefits), and get full BiS to deal damage?
solar matrix
2 years was enough to do that
vanilla wasnt a solved game but it wasnt a game with another 50% of performance left in it either
lucid bluff
idk man gaining like double your dps isnt far fetched at all with full wbuffs/dmn buffs LOL
distant saffron
they have
lucid bluff
if anything that sounds right?
its actually probably MORE than double..
not probably actually, is.
distant saffron
- Full BiS
- Full Wbuffs, including almost 50% extra stats
- everyone in the raid optimised to fuck
lucid bluff
you even missed a buff btw
warchiefs blessing is another one you can get
which is 15% melee haste + a bit more if im not mistaken
distant saffron
oh yeah, forgot about the 15% HASTE BUFF
lucid bluff
rest of its useless really, haste is all that matters
distant saffron
nah
solar matrix
-people got full bis in vanilla, the first time someone got good gear wasnt 2019
-people knew about worldbuffs, just because the average raiding guild didnt use it doesnt have any impact on a conversation about top dps
distant saffron
its strong, but not game breaking strong
so show me a raid of 40 people, all in full BiS, all fully wbuffed with the perfect alignment of holiday events
lucid bluff
even if you were right about bad hit tables/armor being incorrect, i dont really see a 1 hr clear being far fetched at all
solar matrix
im just trying to figure out how you think its possible that people who lived and breathed the game couldnt figure out something as simple as world buffs
distant saffron
@lucid bluff except I've already proved armor is OVERTUNED on this server
solar matrix
the server cant get something as simple as spell channeling right
im sure the combat tables r fine tho
classes doing 50% more than they peaked at in vanilla is just explained because humans didnt evolve a frontal lobe till 2010
lucid bluff
and something also tells me that most likely they didnt have a full raid optimized purely for dps or the like
distant saffron
This was planned weeks in advance lmao
distant saffron
the fucking buffs lined up in order for 1 DAY
then the summons from the rest of the guild for silithus buff, pretty much the whole raid with 10% DMF
solar matrix
so theres 15% damage
distant saffron
add another 15 stats on top of that
solar matrix
you can TRY and argue
people didnt go through effort
for silithus/dmf buffs
but youre not gonna sit there and act like ANYONE who was trying to post a SICK DPS video/screenshot/whatever
wasnt gonna have rallying cry/warchief
cmon
distant saffron
Sure, but did the entire raid have it? Did the entire raid have full fucking BiS after farming the raid for over a year?
distant saffron
so theres a video of the entire raid in vanilla having every single wbuff in the game, 10% DMF, all the reveler buffs, and full BiS
I wanna see this
solar matrix
ofc there isnt it was long ago
but youre trying to say
this guild
having fucking
dragonslayer/warchiefs
is some mystical thing
people didnt have in vanilla
which is just ridiculous
distant saffron
except it doesn't just have dragonslayer/warchiefs
It has every
single
buff
possible
solar matrix
yes im AWARE
and those
weird fuckign world buffs
that its POSSIBLE people wouldnt have bothered with
i mean fuck
why are we even
arguing this
im sure someone has simmed the world buffs
How much are they
distant saffron
I'll open my sheet when I get to PC
lucid bluff
i dont even know whats being argued anymore lmao
distant saffron
but also, Its literally impossible for this run to have happened on vanilla
because world first KT was on 07/09/2006
TBC prepatch was 05/12/2006
so unless Nihilum suddenly started doing quadruple splits to get a years worth of gear
and the valentines event started in november
It would never have been possible to get the buffs/gear in that video
wraith birch
classic hard :pepelaugh:
solar matrix
no ones saying its hard bud
and you keep talking about the crazy timing for the buffs
whats timed besides dmf and chocolates
theres 2 icons i dont recognize
distant saffron
so we've got 21% effective stats, because vanilla stats scale multiplicatively, 10% damage, 2% hit, 30 agi
and thats just from the time gated stuff
ignoring the extra 9 months of naxx farming
solar matrix
honestly
does overall faster kill time on the boss
even increase warrior dps vs longer execute with no lust/no potionlockout
distant saffron
yes
If DW is up for whole execute phase
your personal DPS is higher across the rage
higher CD uptime
fluid turret
i can link my classic wow spreadsheet of warrior buffs
distant saffron
faste kill time also means on use trinkets become better past a threshold - i'd use KoTS/Slayers on this fight, where as on a longer one, I'd use KotS/Phylactery
distant saffron
yup
and wrath (the top warrior) is a fully BiS warrior - theres literally NO gear upgrades left for him
solar matrix
they were nowhere near threat limited, would horde not be doing more or does the multiplicative meme with the stat buff push kings/might ahead
distant saffron
Horde would do more, probably
WF totem is just too strong
and BF is OP as hell
distant saffron
But horde suffers way too much threat unless you have giga good tank
solar matrix
yea im aware of how op salv is
distant saffron
nice, wrath also popped reck for this it seems
lmao
I just checked
and he farmed fucking bogling root
solar matrix
id hope they all would
distant saffron
well IdK which fights they wanted to push more
solar matrix
i mean im sure they had an idea of their clear time
solar matrix
i mean it seems like on an overpop'd private server
you could just
afk at the turn in while you do other shit
and get plenty
lasts 10 minutes
distant saffron
it's still boring as fuck
and you need to complete a quest on an alt nelf to get them to spawn
solar matrix
im saying
theres about a trillion people
on a server like nost or lights hope
if you just sit there
people will tunr in
distant saffron
nah this server is dead
been out for too long, naxx been released for over a year
distant saffron
not that one 🤦
solar matrix
oh r u telling me
there are people
who DIDNT
just fresh autism over to a fresh server
solar matrix
wow pserver players truly are a special breed
distant saffron
TO FARM DEAD CONTENT
mate I ranked for 3 months for a 14 AP upgrade to legs
this game breaks you after a while
solar matrix
i mean
im fully prepared to wpvp 16 hours a day to get my warlord set before BWL
but everyone knows pservers are about just
refugeeing from one fresh to the next
solar matrix
i dunno how any one plays them after playing a well scripted server tbh
hollow reef
raiding in vanilla wasnt hard till huhuran
Average Raid guilds just had so much dead weight in 40 man raids that it slowed progression
biggest indicator was how fast MC trash died
if it took you a bit, your guild sucked
raw tangle
Going to see how many warriors there are. Is pure awful leveling as one.
hollow reef
They’ll be like hunters. Dime a dozen
However being a good one will distinguish you from the bad
slender scarab
😬
solar matrix
i mean every class but the snowflake fringe classes will be dime a dozen
solar matrix
@distant saffron
looks like there is a vanilla video of someone pulling closer to pserver numbers
my b
hollow reef
https://i.redd.it/ufp8vm5qajs21.png Tempting to level as Horde just for this one time event
Hinterlands was so good for Horde
woven torrent
Its a really nice zone that i never ever leveled in
hollow reef
Itemization rewards were good in this zone
gleaming karma
Barrens was pretty similar
modern river
Have they mentioned how the loot system will look like in Classic?
Will it be like the old one or the modern personal loot one?
frosty haven
old one, with 2 hour loot trading
modern river
How did the old one look? I didn't play back then.
frosty haven
boss drops a set amount of loot, some loot options, like need/greed. most raids used masterloot
frosty haven
uh bfa i think
frosty haven
it was optional in legion iirc
frosty haven
personal loot is also fair, just takes some control from players, which is why people don't like it
modern river
I just imagine the big powerspikes that existed back then and I can't wait to play Classic.
Like, finally getting Quel'serrar or Thunderfury as a tank gets me really excited.
slender scarab
I want to play classic
I don't want to level
pepehands
I'll be watching you woyers though
solar matrix
I've had more fun practicing 1-30 speed leveling on private servers than I have on mythic raid progression this expac
😏
slender scarab
@solar matrix how fast so far?
solar matrix
A bit over 24 hours
solar matrix
Duo leveling slows me down but makes it more fun and way more reliable
woven torrent
Safer on pvp servers too
solar matrix
2 warriors
slender scarab
he thinks I'm going to play warrior LULW
solar matrix
Warrior/priest has virtually 0 downtime it's sick
woven torrent
Water totem quest can go fuck itself
slender scarab
obviously I'll be playing feral with the gnomeregan attack wep
solar matrix
Leave all the last hits for the priest with spirit tap, abuse 5 second rule with wand
slender scarab
but ye I might go priest
or warlock
but I know I'm saying that and I know I have to go warrior for whirlwind and also to top meters 😭
slender scarab
maybe me and u can go war/sham canit :))
solar matrix
War sham is a god comp for sure
slender scarab
:))
shaman is the only class I ever got to level 10 on a private server
it took me like 16 hours
slender scarab
train me
woven torrent
Shaman doesnt have that many good combos
slender scarab
only way I'll play classic is if leveling doesn't make me want to kill myself
slender scarab
I just don't wanna play alone, y'feel?
woven torrent
I getcha
slender scarab
'tis why I quit retail
woven torrent
Less xp from kills with a buddy, but basically 0 downtime
slender scarab
log in to do my 10 and stick around class channels to answer q's, other than that I just afk in org and write WAs
classic does look super fun though
..at 60.
I don't mind attunements and slow prog and the gear acquirement at all
woven torrent
Ye
solar matrix
Yeah if you dont enjoy classic wow leveling the play for classic is to get a friend to level with, speed level 1-10 to get ahead of the curve and then take your time the rest of the way
slender scarab
I just hate everything beforehand
solar matrix
Wpvp your assoff from 30 to 60
woven torrent
Worst part is that there are shitloads of games i wanna play in the same launch window as classic
slender scarab
lucky me, I hate most games
woven torrent
So i wont play at launch
solar matrix
world PVP in leveling zones before there's a bunch of level 60s running around is actually some of the most fun you'll ever have on wow
solar matrix
I just really hope they turn off sharding by the time people are getting to the contested zones
grave yarrow
Hillsbrad gunna be wild
solar matrix
The whole launch is gonna be wild
solar matrix
The race for tags on early level quest mobs is gonna be thunderdome shit
grave yarrow
Gotta play Hunter/lock for those quick tags
pet on aggressive
hit mobs before it actually spawns
solar matrix
Druid my man
slender scarab
woven torrent
Maaaan
grave yarrow
i like how the first clip is him doing literally nothing and the hunter dying to a priest/war
woven torrent
I remember in classic, i did a wsg before going to school. And the last death i had was a fucking druid kiting with moonfire spam
Never been so angry
woven torrent
If you wanna be in speedruns, go warrior or shaman
slender scarab
ok
@solar matrix me and you
war/sham dream team
shaman is included in prog raiding right :notlikehtis:
grave yarrow
resto sure
trolling if your enhance or ele
you CAN be enhance and run nightfall but literally no reason to bring one outside of that small reason
slender scarab
I do
woven torrent
Play resto
woven torrent
You can use ele/resto later on with good gear
So you can do some deeps outside of raids
slender scarab
p1? p2?
slender scarab
hwl?
solar matrix
highwarlord...
woven torrent
Huge willie lovers
slender scarab
that sounds like me!
solar matrix
animefans....
grave yarrow
also if you're trying to be like unbreakable i got some bad news for you
woven torrent
🇵 🇴 🇴 🇵
grave yarrow
while it is fun getting the random wf proc, majority of the time you'll be hitting once.
woven torrent
Ye
Its heavily edited
But when wf procs, its fun
But thats why its best to level with a 2h and rockbiter
Stable high damage
grave yarrow
i think its better to use 1h and shield
woven torrent
Well ur wrong
Its actually best to level as ele
But thats expensive
With water
But it is the fastest
And ye, iirc hybrid with rb is pretty fast too
grave yarrow
double hunter
slender scarab
is hunter good endgame
woven torrent
No
They dont scale that well ewth gear
Ffs
CMON
Screw it
But you will need 2 hunters
For tranq shot
And aspect of nature is good in aq
distant saffron
if you want to be optimal, you play warrior or healer
slender scarab
resto shaman? :^)
distant saffron
Can you master totem twisting? Then yes
woven torrent
So. For example
If you are in melee dps group, put down wf so everyone gets the buff, then the agi totem
So you switch between those totems
For max deeps
Cuz wf lasts for like 12'ish sec iirc?
Doesnt last long
slender scarab
/castsequence reset=8 Windfury Totem, Grace of Air Totem /dbm timer 00:08 Twist ```
latent cipher
I've seen it all over the place 100 times
solar matrix
still funny
past tide
The biggest issue of hunters is how popular they are and how few slots there is for them in a raid
That is, in a "optimal" set up ofc
Imo they are fun to play though, specially on PvP
modern garden
good thing we're all warriors here
latent cipher
I wonder how that would be instead of a faceroll class, a real class like warrior
hollow reef
Warriors are rough for solo play
without a healer, a warrior isnt very scary because a full round of Warlock DOTs practically kills you
Hunters have 40 yard range, a pet, and are pretty sustainable for pvp purposes
fading shale
Nope, other than say @cunning tartan hey move that over to #promotion and also <@&257983573498265600> if they want to remove the message
woven torrent
Ait. Wasnt sure what yellow names could do
uneven aspen
Anyone know the actual numbers on the threat ceiling for Troll vs. Tauren warrior tank?
I really don't want to play troll, and I don't think it will matter unless our guild has like
15 warriors
It's not like tauren racials are bad, either
we are also probably getting 1.11 Shield Slam so it will be less of an issue
frosty haven
how much you want to min max threat depends on your group's dps
and generally a deep fury/prot build for tanking is ideal for threat
uneven aspen
I think a lot of the math shows that the threat gain from Fury is pretty negligible once you get 1.11 Shield Slam, as long as the fight isn't under 3 minutes
Because you get 1-2 death wishes in that time
uneven aspen
if you're dual wielding yeah
frosty haven
even with just flurry
uneven aspen
there is a big threat modifier on Shield Slam that isn't on Bloodthirst, though
Bloodthirst has a 1.0 threat modifier
frosty haven
you still have HS and sunder
uneven aspen
of course
frosty haven
i would wager the dps gain from flurry makes up for the higher threat modifier on slam
uneven aspen
It does as long as you don't have 1.11 Shield Slam (where its rage cost goes from 30 to 20 and it starts to scale with Shield Block Value)
frosty haven
yeah imo slam is overrated
uneven aspen
the big difference I'm trying to make though is that we get 1.11 Shield Slam on day 1 of Classic vs. Naxx in private server
frosty haven
if your goal is max TPS you go DW fury/prot
frosty haven
if you want max prot utility you go deep prot, imo the non DW fury/prot is a good compromise for high dps and high threat
frosty haven
maybe 1 deep prot tank
uneven aspen
yeah just 1
rest would be Fury/prot probably
I mean realistically, if I'm having any threat problems I'll just go Fury if we're killing the bosses fast enough
Prot is more for Naxx or when your gear is ass
frosty haven
you shouldnt have issues with threat, defiance makes up a lot
unless you have some mega gosu fury's who dont give a fuck about threat management
uneven aspen
yeah, that was my allusion to the "15 warrior guild"
we're probably going to be running 8 or so which is more healthy
idle shale
Look man there is only one mode for a geared fury, and that mode is ON
frosty haven
all it takes is one warrior to rip threat 😛
but really if your the tank, you should have priority on decent gear and if you know the rotation you shouldnt drop threat
uneven aspen
yeah that's likely what it will be
I've been tanking since Vanilla so and at a high level since WotLK so it shouldn't be a big deal
woven torrent
Deny the other warriors gear so you can keep threat
uneven aspen
I really just
Don't want to be a troll
idle shale
I find it unlikely the single racial will make much of a difference
uneven aspen
yeah, honestly
server first before C'thun is basically going to depend on how many bathroom breaks you take
woven torrent
Just do it before raid
uneven aspen
and MC/Ony server first will just be whoever wants to play 15+ hours a day
so fuck that
woven torrent
Just gather 40 lvl 60 warriors
frosty haven
yeah the server first is less about skill and more about time commitment
woven torrent
No need for healers if the boss dies before it can hit
uneven aspen
Naxx and parts of AQ are the only ones with mechanics that you can really fuck up these days
frosty haven
i bet some guilds will go in totally blind to the strats and have meaningful tough progression
but yeah, there are so many resources
and tried and true strats
uneven aspen
what I'm curious to see is if the proper scripting will make a difference
woven torrent
And people are just in general better
frosty haven
@uneven aspen you mean like boss armor being accurate?
woven torrent
Unless you gather 40 french people to raid
uneven aspen
that too
but I also mean like
boss ability usage/sequencing is kinda hard to program from scratch
unless the obvious
boss enrages at x% or uses ability y in phase 2
like I've seen videos of private servers where bosses sometimes just don't use an ability for like 20 seconds
uneven aspen
yeah that was the one that nobody could figure out
frosty haven
people tried to figure it out, but pretty sure the devs said it was RNG
uneven aspen
I have a big suspicion C'thun is probably super innacurate on private servers with all the different tentacles
frosty haven
i've never played on a pserver, nor did i see cthun in vanilla, but i can imagine its not perfect
uneven aspen
well, C'thun in Vanilla until he was nerfed was pretty close to mathematically impossible
uneven aspen
I kinda want to see that tbh
frosty haven
i bet you people could kill pre nerf cthun now
with all the min max strats we have today
but for what purpose
uneven aspen
it would probably depend on how CDs line up
because iirc even like Nihilum and stuff were hitting brick walls because the fight was lasting 25+ minutes
it lasted like
14 minutes or something after the nerf
idle shale
I don't remember it being that long, but also even guilds like Nihilum only had a few warriors and rogues as dps
they were filled with enh shamans and ret paladins and whatever else, just like everyone else
I don't really doubt at all you could go in with modern knowledge and kill pre-nerf c'thun, it was mostly about dps
frosty haven
enh AND ret
:hyperthonk:
modern garden
teehe
rose briar
What's up guys
rose briar
I watched a video yesterday and the guys said that engenieer is the best profession for prot... Do youbknow why?
I guess because any stupid shenanigan tools like rocket blow ups to gain more aggro on the threat meter?
solar matrix
engineer is the best profession for everyone basically
cause it has way more things that only the profession can use
than the other profs
so most things that a BS can make you can just buy from the blacksmith
not the se case with engi
rose briar
Ok
And what's about mining for stamina and blacksmith for nice equip? Is this not a thing?
jade fog
Alpha testing woop woop
gleaming karma
Engi is actually useful in vanilla with all the cool gadgets
solar matrix
extremely
reflectors, CC helm, stun/disable grenades, net launcher, deathray, discombob
insane
woven torrent
Bombs?
twin oar
nope
the one that damages you and enemies around you
it does more damage than bombs
Goblin Sapper Charge
found it
it's mostly used by melees
It's ridiculous how good and useful engineering is in vanilla
compare that to the profession stuff we have right now
frosty haven
well most stuff other professions make can be bought, you have to be an engineer to use most of the gadgets
plucky gorge
.
indigo raft
lusty yacht
is this the de facto classic discord for warriors? or is there another dedicated one?
frosty haven
there is a r/classicwow discord that is pretty active
but its not specific to warriors
lusty yacht
guess i'll just park it here with you fellas then
woven torrent
Ye. you can talk to cojo here ❤
grave yarrow
who's tryna group and farm charms and trolls at 30
woven torrent
Get into a guild now
They will help warriors get their WW weapons
Because the faster the warrior levels the better
past tide
having that beast at 30 in a fresh server is quite a big dick statement
or that you have many friends or a pretty decent guild
solar matrix
Which is the biggest dick you can have on classic
past tide
to be fair, I can't think on anything particulary great you can achieve solo on Vanilla, I'd say thats the beauty of the game
maybe Sulfuras I reckon
ofc you need a guild to clear MC with, but is not like TF which usually you should get help to complete it most of the way
Sulfuras takes more individual commitment
alpine harness
Rank 14?
main hemlock
can't really solo it unless running as a premade all day counts
I remember we swapped people around to balance honour gain
warm tree
I solo
But it was annoying when people were account sharing and sniping top honor for the week
just took a few extra weeks
idle shale
I did mine solo, but also stopped at 13
warm tree
I was on Skullcrusher Horde though, there was partial pre-made but for the most part horde wasnt that bad. Alliance on Skullcrusher had Immortality and some other PVP guild that if you didnt join em, you had no chance of ever getting Rank 14
idle shale
I was in Immo back in the day haha. I'd recognized your name, had always been kinda curious if it was from back then
warm tree
wait, you're that Artunias lol
yeah, i was a rogue then
dude, you were literally my arch nemesis in BGs
I was in Nightmares Asylum and Rage
idle shale
shiiiit lmao
ah man, those were good times though. There's a lot to be said for the server communities you had back then, but can't deny the usefulness of the quality of life stuff in the modern game
warm tree
yeah, it's gonna be tough going back to LF tank in general chat. but it was definitely the best of times when everyone knew AND feared people by name
past tide
Just tank then, look for a good guild that treat you right and enjoy being the protagonist of Vanilla shrug
modern garden
good luck playing a dps warrior and not tanking sometimes
final sedge
prot all the way bois
main hemlock
u can easily tank with dps spec just get gear , perhaps not raid bosses but 5mans whatever
but not recommended I guess without proper def gear set
I did tank BRD with a 2 hander my first run took 4 hours . healer must have hated it lmao
modern garden
ya dw fury tank was a viable thing even for raiding on classic
well, private servers
idk if it will still work on retail
frosty haven
it'll probably work better in retail, but its more of a farm clear strat
tall kernel
Very true. It takes more gear to survive, obviously, but it's far better for farm since the threat generation is vastly superior and survival is largely trivial.
steel lantern
I saw both arms and fury used as off tanks back during classic
frosty haven
there is a lot of stuff that works
but deep fury with prot dip i think will become popular during farm content
it just offers a lot of threat
tall kernel
Yep. Dual-wielding Fury/Prot tank is purportedly very popular on private servers.
celest terrace
Which race will you go with as alliance ?
frosty haven
human
lethal epoch
Night elf
main hemlock
hooman for wep skill
night zephyr
I assume the toss up for a prot war is between Undead for WOTF and Tauren for the HP bonus and warstomp?
frosty haven
for horde its orc or troll, blood fury is good for dps and axe skill is useful, beserking is great for tanks
placid warren
Orc or human
night zephyr
I wonder if we're gonna get straight-backed orcs in classic. I'd like that if we could, even tho I know people will complain.
modern garden
definitely not lol
past tide
Blasphemy
night zephyr
I like the straight back /shrug
tall kernel
Troll is the premiere tank race for Horde. The attack speed from Berserking provides better threat, and TPS is the most important thing.
woven torrent
Too bad no straight troll 😢
solar matrix
Yeah but orc gives you the absolute meme of resisting stuns constantly
woven torrent
Which isn't that useful in pve
solar matrix
It's basically useless