vanilla-discussion

[woven torrent]

Mooncloth something

Found them

Robe of the archmage, void and insight

[frosty haven]

robe of insight it was

👍

[woven torrent]

I can't wait to wear cloth armor until Naxx

[frosty haven]

as a warrior

🤔

[woven torrent]

Shaman

[frosty haven]

o

nerd

[woven torrent]

nou

[frosty haven]

(im thinkin about maining enh)

🔫

[woven torrent]

Resto here

I want a spot in raids

[frosty haven]

yeahhh

objectively best shaman spec

but

like everyone else

i want those WF procs

[woven torrent]

Enh is fun if you get lucky

[frosty haven]

also shock spam in pvp

is

balanced?

[woven torrent]

Very

But it also drains you from 100% to 0% in 10 seconds

[idle shale]

I can't decide if I want to ez mode it as a rogue since I'll be casual AF or actually play warrior lol

also considering warlock

[woven torrent]

Gotta get that hand of rag tho

[frosty haven]

yeah warrior is basically hard mode rogue

if you plan on melee dps

[woven torrent]

Isn't easy mode mage?

[frosty haven]

mage is pretty fun

pvp

pve its residentsleeper

[idle shale]

mage and locks were both pretty good at everything iirc

also warlock fear spam in vanilla

omegalul

[woven torrent]

Alliance warlocks aren't gonna have a good time

The horde pop will be 80% UD

[idle shale]

mm, yes UD rogue. such counter, very wow

[frosty haven]

when did they add DR on stuns/fears?

[idle shale]

tbc at some point

[frosty haven]

megalul

[idle shale]

don't remember if right away or later

[woven torrent]

I think it was in vanilla

But kidney and cheapshot had their own DR

[frosty haven]

i remember my ~40ish rogue that had a hybrid talent build that could stun lock for 27seconds

it dealt almost no damage

but no fun allowed

[tardy nacelle]

You could get 100% CC in 1v1 as a rogue

You just had to include Sap

[woven torrent]

Ye

I still watch roguecraft to this day

Its a fun one, not looking forward to meeting rogues

[frosty haven]

not sure what was more tilting, getting stunlocked to death by a rogue or getting 2 shot by an arms warrior

[woven torrent]

Rogue

Because getting 2 shot i fast and painless

Stunlock takes forever

[frosty haven]

yeah both are bullshit, just in different ways

[woven torrent]

I miss specific weapon specs

Sword spec warrior sounds like fun with HoJ and WF totem

[sweet quartz]

Is this new? 🤔

[grave yarrow]

yes

[sweet quartz]

Nice name

[grave yarrow]

artunias gave me this one

[sweet quartz]

Should have gotten a name with ghuun in there ;)

[grave yarrow]

ur a ghuun

[sweet quartz]

Oof

[leaden rain]

lmaoooooooooo

cosmo you just got got

[midnight axle]

@sweet quartz friend

[sweet quartz]

i got the got

[lilac granite]

Everyone looking forward to waiting for sunders?

Imagine if everything in the game was Skittish prenerf, even on single target, and you couldn't taunt some of it

Sounds fun

[midnight axle]

@sweet quartz what would u play in tbc

[sweet quartz]

wat

I thought this was vanilla

[midnight axle]

ya but im playing tbc

[scarlet umbra]

play ret pally

get kicked from everywhere

[midnight axle]

i mean

they have 4% crit aura?

😄

@gleaming karma global emotes when

oh shit this isnt offtopic

[scarlet umbra]

it could be tbh

[idle shale]

No

[scarlet umbra]

Fite me

[woven torrent]

Macro looking forward to be a decurse bot

[strange berry]

dps warrior only

[tardy nacelle]

I'll be honest and say that I look forward to having to be in melee range to use Taunt, and for it to have a quite big chance to miss

[royal topaz]

hit or miss

i guess they never miss huh

you got aggro now they’re gonna hit ya

[woven torrent]

Gotta wait for naxx to have taunt that never miss

[next ember]

Huh

[dull pagoda]

Taunt could miss? damn

[halcyon mist]

a lot could miss

sap could miss unless you talented into improved sap

i think when sap failed it unstealthed you, it's been a looong time tho

back then you didn't get enough hit stat on your gear to actually cap it

stuff like the edgemaster's handguards
https://www.wowhead.com/item=14551/edgemasters-handguards

increased weapon skill which correlated to hit

shit was weird man

[main hemlock]

it reduced glancing blows

at least very early

when they gave weapon skill

[strange berry]

Is there a release date for classic yet?

[gleaming karma]

Within our lifetime

[strange berry]

Nice

[halcyon mist]

they said summer 2019 right

we haven't seen a real beta or anything yet so i'm super optimistic that classic wow will live up to the high standards set by the main wow team this expansion

(in other words: i wonder how they're gonna fuck up a game they already finished 15 years ago)

[tardy nacelle]

November 23, 2004

[strange berry]

they hired a new team for classic wow

[woven torrent]

@strange berry Summer

[strange berry]

pog

gers

[spice ocean]

@halcyon mist think sap always unstealthed you unless you had improved sap which gave you like a 90% chance to restealth if im not entirely wrong

[woven torrent]

That was early wow

It kept you in stealth later on

[spice ocean]

i mean yeah but this is the classic channel

[royal topaz]

inb4 classic gets less beta testing than bfa

[woven torrent]

@spice ocean that was in vanilla you doofus

[spice ocean]

ya thats what i said?

[main hemlock]

yes

yolo sap pulling was the best

hope the tank is fast enough to aggro

[woven torrent]

It kept you in stealth in vanilla

[main hemlock]

had to have improved sap https://vanilla-twinhead.twinstar.cz/?spell=14095

nice rng still

[spice ocean]

See i was correct!

@woven torrent im smart ok?

[barren grail]

Guys

Help a fellow warrior and vote for Lasse

It’s a little contest for me and my friend^^

NOOO!!

[spice ocean]

i voted eli too

[warm fox]

This Eli guy seems cool so I voted for him

All the other kids were doing it

[royal topaz]

explain this

[plain jungle]

is this the new off topic?

[scarlet umbra]

seems like it

[copper grotto]

As long as you keep your OT classic you should be good.

[idle shale]

This is not the new off topic. But classic wow is a fairly broad category

[strange berry]

😩

[plain jungle]

so really what u mean

is it is

[royal topaz]

legally no

but what the law don’t see don’t happen

[halcyon mist]

to be fair this is the new bottom channel

[copper grotto]

Oh there's some lower than this. 😄

Da Mead Hall baby.

[halcyon mist]

it's the bottom channel for bottom feeders

[regal meadow]

are we save here from levkos shit?

[surreal robin]

For now

[royal topaz]

say his name 3 times and he appears

[woven torrent]

@timber gazelle

[timber gazelle]

@woven torrent

block me boi

Harometras

are we save here from levkos shit?

in #general · Jan 8, 2019, 2:41 PM

[regal meadow]

fuck

i ruined it sorry guys

[frosty haven]

so whats everyone's thoughts on #somechanges vs #nochanges

[royal topaz]

depends what the some are

[frosty haven]

well as it stands probably the lack of item progression

although we dont have any confirmation on that

also the limited use of sharding

[royal topaz]

what way item progression?

[strange berry]

#nochanges

[frosty haven]

some items were balanced over the course from launch to 1.12

but its very possible we will see the final iterations of these items

due to exploits and over/under tuned items

[royal topaz]

classic had 2 dungeon set, 3 raid tier, a half raid tier and a catch up raid

[frosty haven]

i guess i worded it wrong, item progression in the sense. X item had its stats re written during the patch progression cycle

do we see X item get changed at an arbitrary time

or

do we just see the final version of the item

[copper grotto]

I'd think they'd use the end of classic items that were fixed.

[royal topaz]

doesn’t classic release on a certain patch of vanilla

[frosty haven]

that's where i am leaning

[copper grotto]

But what if there were items at the end that weren't fixed until BC.

[royal topaz]

so i’m assuming all balancing and item changes after that patch won’t be done

[frosty haven]

yes and no @royal topaz we are getting 1.12 but a lot of the content is being gated

[royal topaz]

i know but i mean the item and class balancing

[frosty haven]

1.12 is the final patch

right i think we will get the final balance state

just without the final patch state

since the content will be gated

so the gear/class data will be 1.12 but the raid content will be something like 1.5

[royal topaz]

i think they will add more balancing patches tho to keep game alive

[frosty haven]

i dont think they will

[royal topaz]

well vanilla was 1.12 but it’ll be 0.1 or 1.0 for classic

[copper grotto]

It's a good question. How much are they going to invest to balance the throwback.

I wouldn't think much.

[royal topaz]

idk how they number patches from beginning

[frosty haven]

their state goal is the recreate the original vanilla experience to the best of their ability. with class imbalance along with it

[royal topaz]

but the point of a mmo is to be alive and living

[frosty haven]

i think they will release content, but it wont be like a patch. it will just be a flip of a switch to enable it

[royal topaz]

so they will release on 1.12 but continue it

[frosty haven]

the playerbase interested in vanilla thinks that the community alone can sustain its life

[royal topaz]

that’s stupid

[frosty haven]

that's what we are getting

so unless there is a huge demand for a BC server after vanilla's content is odne

done*

then that will be it

just an eternal vanilla server

[royal topaz]

i think they will add further balance after time

[frosty haven]

well if they do, its not in the works

[royal topaz]

i mean theoretically if nothing changes but the classes you should reach a point of actual balance

[frosty haven]

anything 'post' 1.12 that isnt TBC is very unlikely

a large part of the classic community likes class imbalance

because each class had a niche it could fill that was more or less unique

[royal topaz]

i think the majority of player base need change to play actively

maybe not class balancing changes

[frosty haven]

i believe that also. i think a small group of dedicated players will enjoy an eternal vanilla server

[woven torrent]

I would welcome final itemization

[frosty haven]

but blizzard is going to focus their development resources into retail

[royal topaz]

but something, live player drop like flies when content dries up

[woven torrent]

Some good items I need for pre raid bis that are really bad before that

Also, I wouldn't mind sharding for a couple days at launch

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[frosty haven]

same

[woven torrent]

Reddit would kill us Kel

That and the forums

[frosty haven]

so far none of the #somechanges that blizzard has proposed are offensive imo

[woven torrent]

Nah

[frosty haven]

everything seems calculated and makes sense

[woven torrent]

One thing I wonder tho

[royal topaz]

i like the clear cut progression and end of vanilla and the choices you could make

[woven torrent]

2nd batch of content has BWL and ZG

Will they be on the same day, or staggered?

[frosty haven]

probably same day

but i have no idea

super happy to see them sticking to the 16 debuff limit instead of starting with 8

[woven torrent]

It's gonna suck to play shaman tbh

[frosty haven]

although 16 still feels low

[woven torrent]

I can't use best 2H in the game

Can't use Zin'rokh or what it's called

[frosty haven]

but then other end, with unlimited debuffs, you break the balance of some bosses

[woven torrent]

Having so many aff locks would ruin most of the bosses

All DPS aff locks

[frosty haven]

yeah

spriests

what about xmog

[woven torrent]

No

[frosty haven]

i could live with it imo

but it wouldnt feel like a vanilla experience

at that point

which i guess is what the whole point is

[woven torrent]

WE aren't getting vanilla, that's an important thing to remember

We are getting classic

[royal topaz]

i think transmog wouldn’t be good with more restrictions

since tier sets weren’t per spec dps warriors for example didn’t get tier

so adding something to allow them the look would be nice

[woven torrent]

Guild bank would be nice too

[frosty haven]

yeah i think they mentioned

that and gear trading

[royal topaz]

i’m excited to use my classic logs for guilds

[woven torrent]

HERE IS WHAT THEY DO

TO STOP THE CRYING

NEED ON GEAR, UNTRADEABLE

BOOM

DONE

[royal topaz]

paladin drops for horde

[woven torrent]

No

Don't do that

[frosty haven]

XD

probably going to be in

[copper grotto]

Sounds like a "classic" move to me.

[solar matrix]

a super important thing to not put

in

that i doubt theyll hold back from putting in

is server transfers

maintaining a good pop and horde/alliance balance is essential, and itll never happen with transfers

[royal topaz]

honestly link me your classic logs for pug invite BoD

[compact temple]

Final 1.12 itemization at launch would be really bad

They should progressively itemize with their content releases

Some of the later added dungeon ues are better than AQ gear

And would trivialize early content/make it pointless

dungeon blues*

I'm not strictly no changes but the changes should be cosmetic or minor QOL if anything

But I also feel like classic is partly preservation and for that reason I don't begrudge people who are strictly no changes

It's a piece of gaming history after all

[woven torrent]

It will never be the samd

Same

[halcyon mist]

the players and culture are completely different

[woven torrent]

And most of the no change crowd is used to pservers and wont buy classic

[halcyon mist]

you can tell by people complaining about endgame, which isn't even a consideration for classic - classic is a completed game experience

from start to finish

it had an arc of character progression

it wasn't designed in the patch-based structure of modern wow or other games

where everyone is meant to be doing the same thing

and i think it is going to fall apart when it comes into contact with that mentality

[brisk rampart]

If I think how stressful was raiding/grouping/playing at the time classic was live, I wouldn't want to touch it with a ten feet pole tbh

ofc ymmv

more then half of my current available playtime would be wasted flying from orgrimmar to molten core

[trim stump]

Can u help me😥

[short pivot]

if you promise to help us first

[compact temple]

What does that even mean @woven torrent ? "It will never be the same?" If there are no changes then it is the same. Your experience with it doesn't matter if we're speaking about preservation. Also although we can't answer this until it launches, I believe you are wrong that people who don't want changes all play on private servers and that they won't play it when it launches

Seems like a silly characterization

[woven torrent]

Classic isnt vanilla

Dunno whats hard to understand about that

[frosty haven]

thing is, it wont be the same even if everything is the 'same'. we know the future patches, we have better connections, more resources, more information

etc

there is guaranteed to be some changes already

like launching with the 1.12 data

and content being gated

based on time

[royal topaz]

classic ice cream is vanilla ice cream

so like smd

[brisk rampart]

thottbot

[woven torrent]

Thot bots

[frosty haven]

thotts

[royal topaz]

big ass thot

large and round

[frosty haven]

the biggest change happening to classic is the playerbase

people arent the same anymore

[woven torrent]

We are old and jaded

[brisk rampart]

now about being old...

[woven torrent]

Still tho, looking forward to it

[brisk rampart]

I'll be 40 tomorrow

ewwwwwwwwww

[woven torrent]

Omg

Grandpa

[brisk rampart]

ikr

[woven torrent]

Dont just keel over now

[brisk rampart]

😢

[frosty haven]

👴

[copper grotto]

38 here, not far behind.

[idle shale]

damn and I thought I was old over here at 32

[strange berry]

Dont worry

You are

[jade fog]

Granspa

[idle shale]

rip

[royal topaz]

20

i’m young hip and ready to dip

[frosty haven]

baby

[worthy escarp]

im 12

[frosty haven]

no

[worthy escarp]

prove me wrong, u have no proof im not

[scarlet umbra]

i have

and you are not 12

[strange berry]

Im 13

Im ur elder

[surreal robin]

Eh

He is 12 tho

Just like david

[woven torrent]

Fun fact

You are now bannable

You arent allowed to use disc if you are undet 13

[worthy escarp]

Good thing i just became 13 today

Happy Birthday to me

[slender scarab]

@worthy escarp happy 13th d2 :))

[worthy escarp]

ty ❤

[royal topaz]

@slender scarab happy birthfay

[slender scarab]

@royal topaz I'm 13 just like @worthy escarp today

We're twins

Separated at birth

[royal topaz]

i guess deattu got the looks

[worthy escarp]

Yeah, this is me

[scarlet umbra]

Bad looks

[main hemlock]

egg head

[strange berry]

mate this is the wrong channel for daty

[woven torrent]

Hey now

Keep this on-topic

[next ember]

:hahayes:

[visual summit]

oh shit my fault lol ill move it

[royal topaz]

classic

turning every channel into off topic

[next ember]

@royal topaz hello

[royal topaz]

hi

[next ember]

how are you doing

[royal topaz]

tired

ppl aren’t as happy as i am about my tiger

[hearty jackal]

anyone who can help me with the blood infusion? EU-Horde

[next ember]

One day this chan will have people in it

[spice seal]

Classic wont be a success 😭

[main hemlock]

bigger success than bfa

[spice seal]

Nah xD, dont believe so 😭

[main hemlock]

not hard to achieve

[cobalt otter]

Doesn't take much to be better than BFA

[grave yarrow]

the only way classic wont be successful is if they do things that change how vanilla actually was.

idk if it will always be bigger than current wow, but it will always be something to fall back on and play while you wait for the next content patch.

which i believe is what blizzard is planning on.

[old falcon]

yo if i'm trying to get the albino drake mount then do all the mounts have to be purchasable by the character im using?

because i have 59 mounts but the achievement only lists 38

[grave yarrow]

i dont think it adds alliance/horde mounts together

but i could be wrong

[old falcon]

no its all horde as i have it set to usable only @grave yarrow

[grave yarrow]

hmm not sure then

[old falcon]

an on the wow website it says i have 53 collected on the character aswell @grave yarrow do you think i should contact a gm or somin?

[grave yarrow]

go for it, they could probably clarify

[main hemlock]

Are those 53 usable by the character

should work if yes

[cobalt otter]

Don't get the hate players have towards people who want classic

Like how does someone wanting and playing a different game affect you in anyway?

[vernal osprey]

Cus you gotta be on the blizzard Hate train

That's pretty much it

There's plenty of shit to call out with out being upset at vanilla craft

[next ember]

idk people that genuinely hate are weird

[gleaming karma]

How DARE YOU like something I DON'T

A N G E R Y

[next ember]

Classic is the Furry of Blizzard , change my mind

[cobalt otter]

Like I get being annoyed with the morons who are always talking about it and imposing it on you and telling you how it's so much better than the current game etc

But some people are just so

[glacial estuary]

Do people actually Hate others for liking it or are they just annoyed because people who are really into vanilla hold it as the holy grail of mmo's in which its crazy hard and full of so much.

[next ember]

both

[cobalt otter]

Yeah probably both

[woven torrent]

One bad thing about classic

[vernal osprey]

yea some people are pure salt and some people are ironically salt but the effect is the same

[woven torrent]

Is tips out

I wish he went away

[next ember]

Idk, I know I'd hate Classic, but idc about other people playing it really

[gleaming karma]

I'd play it so casually

Like I used to

I hit 60 on OG nost and straight up quit

[vernal osprey]

i mean classic is so slow i might play it of i hate my self enough to get some of that nostalgia of war being the omni class

[woven torrent]

No talking about PServers, Corejo

banbanbanbanbanbanbanbanbanbanbanbanbanbanbanbanbanbanbanbanbanban

[vernal osprey]

or runing 8 tanks on nax cus its the only fuckin way to do it

[next ember]

illegal actions in skyhold monkaMEGA

[cobalt otter]

its also insane that people think its going to be this enormous failure

like no other gaming company has tried this before

its not like runescape 07 is more popular than current runescape or anything

wait....

it is

[woven torrent]

It will have a stable playerbase for a couple of years, and that's good for me

[next ember]

Don't think there'll be much players after a month or two tbh

[vernal osprey]

yea but "blizzard is clearly failing guys belive me im an exspert"

[next ember]

but, enough so it won't be dead

[cobalt otter]

private servers have proven people will play it

[vernal osprey]

its not like they are makeing more moeny than ever

[cobalt otter]

on launch there will be more

but once the hype crowd leaves

those people will still be playing it

playerbase will be fine

[woven torrent]

I assume a bunch of #nochanges people wont even buy it

[vernal osprey]

i kinda wanna do some of the vanilla raids again

[cobalt otter]

it also helps that the biggest wow streamer is a huge advocate for it

[vernal osprey]

but i might hate em cus they weren't great at least compared some of the shit we got since

[glacial estuary]

a bunch of people will begin lvling

and be like wiat

what

[next ember]

@vernal osprey they had to cust costs tho so they don't really have "more money than ever"

[woven torrent]

"Why does it take me hours to get to level 10?"

[vernal osprey]

who even is the biggest wow streamer

[glacial estuary]

and quit by like lvl 18

[cobalt otter]

Asmon

Soda

[vernal osprey]

they have more money than ever and cus they are doing so well they will save money where they can for more profit

[woven torrent]

Alexsensual

[next ember]

Corejo's wqs streams

[woven torrent]

:kappa:

[vernal osprey]

its not like they are dieing or trying to save moeny to not go under

[woven torrent]

They have so much money from other sources now

They don't need wow anymore to stay afloat

[vernal osprey]

oh asmongold yea ive never watced a wow stream

[woven torrent]

WoW streams is the most boring shit to watch

[vernal osprey]

too busy watching one streamer play darksouls

with dumb challaneges

[woven torrent]

Watching lobosjr atm with his daughters of ash playthrough

That's fun

[next ember]

Lobos junior 🤔

[vernal osprey]

used to be in lobos chat agis ago back before puppers where even a thing

then i went to speedrunners and ma boi letofski

who is fuckin tiny by comparison but hes pretty much the only streamer i watch anymore

[next ember]

only streams I watch are shows but not really streamers

because I never know what I want to watch

lul

used to watch Asmon but got bored

[woven torrent]

I wish zerolenny streamed more often

[vernal osprey]

i mean if you like endless shitposts and darksouls challenge runs check letofski out (im a shill for the dude sorry not sorry)

i cant seem to get away from darksouls spent like 8 years fucking around watching playing speedrunning routing that shit

same shit for wow but ive been practically casual for most of its life span

[next ember]

dead game

[slender scarab]

yo warris :3

[sweet quartz]

ye we all warris here owo

[frosty haven]

no owos or uwus in this channel

🔨

[sweet quartz]

OwO

[copper grotto]

Zug zug.

[sweet quartz]

YOu have no power here Keladan

[frosty haven]

[royal topaz]

@frosty haven uwu you’re so warm

[frosty haven]

🙃 🔫

[main hemlock]

[next ember]

Ure weirdoes

[dreamy ice]

[slender scarab]

@dreamy ice

[runic hazel]

Tanking in classic gonna be a trip for me, I'm use to older MMORPGs tanking, but they basically just taunt on CD almost like DAoC

[modern river]

I've been playing Blood DK since Wrath up to BfA

Decided to stop in BfA because I got busy

But I'm getting it soon again

It's going to be fun to try out another class in Classic

My plan is prot warrior as I've heard it's the only viable choice if you're just going to be tanking

[runic hazel]

i mean kind of

i was on the classic reddit discord for a while

a druid can 100% tank but that's once the stuff is almost on farm essentially

warriors are basically the time consuming and annoying to level class, but extremely strong when played well at end game

[modern river]

I love warriors

My Warr is Fury though, but I wanna try tanking with one.

[runic hazel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXX8URSUWm0

[modern river]

So just two classes teaming up on every other class

Poor paper

[runic hazel]

unless you're mushrooms

then you're in your own little world

[modern river]

Oh yeah

Forgot that existed

After like 10 seconds

lol

[runic hazel]

exactly

no one notices the mushroom until you're dotted to death and on the floor

[modern river]

[woven torrent]

Man

Warriors are easy caster food in nilla

[unborn sable]

no way to break roots

Not gonna lie though

being able to 2 shot mages

[modern river]

I'll be playing with a friend in Classic

[unborn sable]

Fury or Arms with TUF

[woven torrent]

Fun when you get to the mage

[modern river]

Who's going to play a mage

I don't have to buy food n stuff

Nice

[woven torrent]

Shaman here

[unborn sable]

people who like to make $$

ports

no fast travel in nilla

[modern river]

Yeah

😢

[unborn sable]

you make bank as a mage

[modern river]

Hell yeah

But I as a tank also get all of the gear that drops

[unborn sable]

Mage enchanter

[runic hazel]

i was gonna go druid orginally for jack of all trades, then i heard about the debuff/dot limit, mainly being forced into a healing role in raids, etc.

[unborn sable]

lol

[modern river]

They get the money but I get the gear

[unborn sable]

that is a QoL change i Hope they make

lets NOT have the Debuff limit

because it basically makes 30% Of the specs unusable in raids

[runic hazel]

so i'll just go by my old standard of prot warrior i played since late wrath

[unborn sable]

I mean, I'll be a warrior

[modern river]

Is Fury good in Classic?

[unborn sable]

31/5/15

[modern river]

Because I love both Prot and Fury

[runic hazel]

apparently if they did that it would break a lot of the stuff in classic

[unborn sable]

SO lets clarify something

in vanilla you didn't play Fury or arms

you played warrior

and used a mix

[runic hazel]

^

[unborn sable]

the only difference was if you used Slam or Mortal Strike as your main source of damage

[runic hazel]

you're a warrior, but you're a warrior that focuses more on a certain style of play

[unborn sable]

31/5/15 was literally the tanking spec

[runic hazel]

is probably a good way to put it

[modern river]

Prot was Mortal right?

[unborn sable]

Prot used mortal strike because 31/5/15 was viable for raid tanking

and for PVP and DPS

Shield Slam was 31 points in prot

[modern river]

What does that mean?

31DPS 5 tanks and 15 healers?

[unborn sable]

which was the 8/12/31

no

[modern river]

Wait

[runic hazel]

pure prot works as well from people who have tanked in classic

[unborn sable]

31 points in Arms, 5 in fury, 15 in protection

[modern river]

It's the talent tree

I remember that

[runic hazel]

https://classic.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior

[modern river]

My Wrath memories are returning

[unborn sable]

Pure prot is great for later raids (BWL onward)

[frosty haven]

if you wanted to be a true tank you needed to go deep prot

but yeah you could do most content as deep arms

or even deep fury

a lot of off tanks were deep fury

[runic hazel]

deep prot (where is the gachi emote)

[frosty haven]

since the off tank didnt need to tank the whole fight

[unborn sable]

Basically most warriors were 31/5/15 becauase you needed like 2 "main" tanks at most

and like 7 offtanks

for raids

[runic hazel]

4 horsemen

:p

[modern river]

Anyone wanna get into a VC? I want to hear more about classic warrior

[frosty haven]

i think most warriors were deep fury at the end of vanilla

[runic hazel]

it does make me sad that shield slam is 31 in prot

[woven torrent]

No ms in raids

Takes up a debuff slot

[frosty haven]

^^^

[woven torrent]

Same with deep wound

[frosty haven]

arms in pve was also less dps than fury

[woven torrent]

So enjoy that

[runic hazel]

sunder

x.x

[frosty haven]

fury sometimes picked deep wounds

after the 16 limit

you could afford it

[runic hazel]

i need to figure out what to level as

[woven torrent]

Arms

Lvl 30 wep

[runic hazel]

i was thinking arms anyway

[woven torrent]

Remember to have a 1h and a shield

[runic hazel]

i just like big slower hits than faster smaller hits

also dots

[frosty haven]

remember vanilla is fucked up in several ways, but arms at max level is mostly a pvp spec with limited pve uses

[modern river]

I mean

[frosty haven]

you can do all small group content no problem as arms

but 40 mans

its not as easy

[modern river]

Can I level as Fury? Won't it be hard to find two two-handed weapons?

[frosty haven]

you use 2 one hands or 1 two hand

as fury

there was no titans grip

[woven torrent]

Sword spec bby

With hoj

And wf

[frosty haven]

levelling as fury is slightly harder than levelling as arms

but levelling as a warrior is just hard in general

[modern river]

I am a masochist

So that's fine

[frosty haven]

respeccing is fairly expensive as well

[modern river]

I've got three characters at level 63 in BDO

I know how to grind hard

[runic hazel]

with me i really plan to just raid/do raid prep and do pvp otherwise

[frosty haven]

but most of the 10-30 talents for arms are much better than fury's, once you are level 40 it doesnt make a big difference. main thing being its easier to upgrade one 2 hander than trying to upgrade two 1 handers

[modern river]

I'm just going to do dungeons and raids

That's about it

[unborn sable]

heh

good luck with that

[modern river]

Are dungeons a thing after you get to 60?

[frosty haven]

yes

[runic hazel]

yes

[unborn sable]

Yeah

[modern river]

Okay

Nice

[runic hazel]

dire maul especially

[unborn sable]

Ahh Diremaul

[frosty haven]

prot warrior/fury warrior are probably the 2 best specs in the game for pve content

atleast once you have gear

[modern river]

I'm planning on playing Prot

But changing to Fury once in a while to have fun

[runic hazel]

i do like that about some classes in games

[unborn sable]

Slam fury or Arms with a healer backup in PVP is probably the most devastating thing you can run into

[runic hazel]

annoying and difficult to gear/level

but once you do

mmmm so good

[modern river]

I am going to be a tank

So from what I've heard

[unborn sable]

You'll be fine

[modern river]

All of the gear is just going to be funneled to me or the other tanks

[unborn sable]

no summoning stones though

[modern river]

I know

[unborn sable]

hah

Well

the main main tank

will get geared funnled in some guilds I'm sure

[frosty haven]

absolutely

[unborn sable]

if you're an offtank

[frosty haven]

you need a decently geared prot warrior to clear MC

[unborn sable]

best buy some kneepads

[modern river]

Nah I'll definitely main prot

Just go full tank

[unborn sable]

k

[runic hazel]

i am prepared to be on all 4 if needed to get me a decent shield

:p

[unborn sable]

wasn't what I meant

[modern river]

Sorry

[woven torrent]

You know whats gonna throw off a bunch of people?

[modern river]

The grind?

[woven torrent]

No av for ice barbed spear at 51

[runic hazel]

basically, unless you're the actual guild main tank

you're not getting gear

[frosty haven]

atleast not for a few weeks

[runic hazel]

i thought AV was in 1.12

[modern river]

What's AV?

[woven torrent]

Bg

[runic hazel]

arathi valley

[modern river]

Ah

[frosty haven]

alterac

[woven torrent]

Alterac valley

[runic hazel]

oh

why am i thinking arathi

[woven torrent]

Ab

Close enough

[runic hazel]

they both start with A

[woven torrent]

With 1 letter on the keyboard

[runic hazel]

😋

[woven torrent]

And asg

Arsesong gulch

[royal topaz]

what’s the spear tho?

[woven torrent]

Good lvl 51 polearm

[steel lantern]

It was a good polearm for lvl 60 too

[unborn sable]

Warrior weapon progression - 1-30 whatever you can find, 30 - 51 Whirlwind axe 51 - 60 Ice Barbed Spear

[woven torrent]

Not at launch

No bgs at launch

So no ibs

[runic hazel]

so whirlwind axe 30 - until you quit :p

[unborn sable]

Oh they gonna gate taht stuff?

I mean we don't know yet

but that'll be neat

so it'll be WW Axe and then

something Magma from BRD

been a long time

and then at 60

Arcanite Reaper

[runic hazel]

they don't have the release waves completely planned yet, the 4 they showed at blizzcon were just a template or example of what they might do

[unborn sable]

or Hammr of the Titans

for that stun

Stunherald's grandaddy

[woven torrent]

You can use gravestone axe too iirc

Not sure when that is tho

[unborn sable]

not sure if I'ma do warrior in classic tho

I've been this lovely color of brown for 15 years

Might just join the wife and go Hunter

but who am I kidding, Its like I always endup being a warrior, even when I try not to

[sand apex]

Nobody gets WW Axe at 30 unless you have a higher level mate to boost you lol

and if you're playing from fresh that aint gonna happen

There's a good 2H from Sunken Temple that you can get late 40s

[frosty haven]

Yeah you can probably get it done by late 30s

[sand apex]

Even with help I never got it at 30 flat

Like ~32

[royal topaz]

how does ww axe compare to sunken sword

[woven torrent]

Ww axe is bis for a long time

[main hemlock]

tbh I remember using it till ice barbed spear, or close

[woven torrent]

Ibs is such a good weapon

Looks nice too

[royal topaz]

so by time you could get ST sword you’d be able to get the axe pretty easily

[unborn sable]

WW Axe is 3.6 speed, which while that is normalization speed for 2h now, it wasn't unusual to have 2h weapons with 2.4 swing speeds (really bad for arms and fury post rage normalization) there was a few real gems that had 4.0 speeds

iirc Arcanite was 3.8

which is why it was the one shot wonder

slower speed with equal DPS (Ilvl) meant you hit harder per swing

and many attacks used weapon damage (mortal strike)

and Slam

Slam with a cast time, time to get Quartz again!

[woven torrent]

There was 1 gem with 4.0

Pendulum of doom

[main hemlock]

I have screenshots of critting 2 or 3k with a shit slow axe in old AV

with a buff you used to get there.

as lvl 55 or so too

[neat tinsel]

Hit or miss

[unborn sable]

We be slammin?

[frosty haven]

slam fury

xd

[unborn sable]

was my fav

[royal topaz]

feel excluded from most this stuff

[unborn sable]

why feel excluded?

You'll learn if you do Classic

so many specs

[frosty haven]

tbh there are more viable specs in retail than classic

[royal topaz]

i’m not desperate to relive other ppls childhood

:monkaS

[frosty haven]

dont you get physical with my childhood 😟

[royal topaz]

👁👁

[unborn sable]

"relive childhood"

I was well above drinking age when WoW hit the table

[frosty haven]

👴

[unborn sable]

I play on TLP and nilla servers just so I can spend raid time talking about back in my day

[woven torrent]

@unborn sable Have fun playing classic in the retirement home

[unborn sable]

YOU KNOW I WILL

[modern river]

I saw a video about overpowered items in Vanilla

Are there any really good top tier shields or one handers that I as a prot warrior should aim to eventually attain?

[woven torrent]

Thunderfury

[unborn sable]

Queldaddy and Draconian Deflector

[frosty haven]

hakkar shield is pretty good

[unborn sable]

won't be out on launch tho

I guess either will Quel

unless they include DM

pre raid tanking I always liked Frostguard

that 25% slow HNGG

[woven torrent]

Hakker 1H swords are good too

They look so good

[unborn sable]

indeed

know what I want

[woven torrent]

I am so mad that they became daggers in remake

REEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[unborn sable]

making rogues cry when I take the tiger claws for my Fury set

[main hemlock]

Quel, never saw the book drop lol

[unborn sable]

didn't do enough Diremaul

[main hemlock]

did a lot but no

[unborn sable]

to get Quel step 1 - level a rogue

step 2 go open books

using stealth

[main hemlock]

yep.. didn't do that, just normal runs

pepehands

[woven torrent]

I will have to run a bunch of DM

So I will probably see it drop

[royal topaz]

@woven torrent didn’t you just keep the sword from original?

[woven torrent]

You could

But new zg are daggers

[royal topaz]

but don’t you?

[unborn sable]

back in 2005 we had no idea that Xmog banking was going to be a thing

we vendored stuff when we replaced it ><

[runic hazel]

most stuff from that era was crazy low res and looked meh anyway

besides maybe some dungeon sets, weapons, and raid sets

except cloud keeper leggings

those are still worth a fortune from MC

[main hemlock]

lol vendored those back then after I got wsg rep legs

pretty sure I had them

[runic hazel]

paladins love plate hotpants

which is essentially what they are :p

[royal topaz]

@unborn sable it was still available in wraith

🤙🏻 lucky i kept mine xd

[royal topaz]

<@&257983573498265600>

[cobalt otter]

Don't advertise stuff against the ToS here. @gentle shard

[next ember]

:feelsbanman:

[brisk rampart]

he's just a number to us

[royal topaz]

rip csgo skins

[woven torrent]

@cobalt otter That's unfair, now you can monopolise that skin buyer!

[civic ledge]

anyone here in

EU

can help me out with my fury warrior

[woven torrent]

Shoot @civic ledge

[regal meadow]

@civic ledge #fury

[formal zinc]

@regal meadow "CLASSIC"

[regal meadow]

oh

[wide tendon]

last raid i found it really helpful to have war stomp, curious if anyone knows it will be just as useful this time? if not id like to re roll maghar

[next totem]

Maghar in classic?

[wide tendon]

no i want to race change from tauren to maghar

or orc

[next totem]

🤔

[halcyon mist]

this is the channel for classic wow

you're looking for the general channel under general discussion

[wide tendon]

right sorry didnt notice

[novel whale]

hey guys can i ask what is better on the new raid furry or arm i am seeing mainly furry on the logs

[dreamy ice]

wrong channel, check under general discussion on the left

[surreal robin]

Gotta rename the channel to classic

Since there aren't really any other channels in the group

None I can see at least

[dreamy ice]

yeah there aren't atm

[halcyon mist]

might be worth coming up with some obviously classic-centric names for like a channel or two more, just so that the context is even clearer

on the other hand theyll probably keep posting here anyway even then

[next totem]

But to answer the question from a classic standpoint: furry is the raid dps spec

[woven torrent]

Furry is for degenerates

[next totem]

Talking classic here

[main hemlock]

furry is the only way

Plate rouge

but better

[next totem]

Its quit ahead for pve dps and best for tps as a tank

[woven torrent]

@next totem FURRY is for degenerates

[next totem]

But furry is so hairy and soft

[main hemlock]

furry friends

[unborn sable]

Fury only pulled ahead once they added the extra threat to BT and MS while in defensive stance

[slender scarab]

Soon

[plain jungle]

TM

[jade fog]

I lovethe fact there is frostmourne on arms part of picture

[woven torrent]

Huh

Never seen that

[jade fog]

Its weird isnt it

[plain jungle]

Yup

And it's in hell

[jade fog]

foreshadowing

[royal topaz]

how?

[next totem]

Sword of a thousand trueths 🤔

Also WC3 had Frostmourne in it aswell :)

[unborn sable]

WAIT WC3 HAD FROSTMOURN?

[slender scarab]

Hey, anyone know where I can find good world of warcraft rp? Lol

[frosty haven]

maybe an Rp realm

[slender scarab]

Which one is the best rp realm? Lol

[frosty haven]

i am not sure, i have heard emerald dream and wyrmrest accord are popular

[slender scarab]

Thanks. Ill go check them out :D

[next totem]

@unborn sable WC3 The Frozen Throne you have a campaing in northerend where you betray the dwarf to claim frostmourn iirc.

But its been a while so 🤷

[unborn sable]

sorry should've /s'd

Frostmourn was like the entire purpose of WC3

[next totem]

Oops

[frosty haven]

i think this more belongs in #promotion

[novel tide]

Feel free to remove it, new to this discord.

Posted in promotions already.

[frosty haven]

i'm not a mod 🙂

[novel tide]

Aight, generally speaking. 😃

[neat tinsel]

You can remove your own posts though, but w/e

[fast wigeon]

are there any stat caps for fury? like haste etc

[frosty haven]

in classic?

i think you need a crit cap and a hit cap

haste was different back then

like i think it was just called attack speed?

and didnt affect the gcd iirc

[glacial estuary]

The Devilsaur leather set or whatever its called is what alot of people rock on the private servers

Its got hit and crit on it

[frosty haven]

💪

[glacial estuary]

Back in the day up until the end of BC warriors still wore leather pieces depending on the little things they might have on em.

[frosty haven]

even during wrath there was some leather BiS for fury

it wasnt until cata that they added the plate requirement

[glacial estuary]

oh really? I quit to go to college around that time.

[frosty haven]

yeah there were legs that my rogue friend bitched at me til the end of time

they were arpen + crit

or maybe arpen + hit

i dont remember

[glacial estuary]

I found that stuff kinda cool

[frosty haven]

caused loot drama

i can see why its gone

[glacial estuary]

ya

[unborn sable]

There was almost no plate DPS gear for warriors

you wore leather + Mail gloves

[woven torrent]

Aq has a bunch

But ye, edgemasters gloves

[unborn sable]

even the AQ bits

leather was much better

agi giving crit and AP

was the main basis of that

rather, Agi gear having agi for crit

and AP

no reason to use str which was more expensive and did not offer a 2ndary bonus

[main hemlock]

Agi didn't give AP to warriors unless I'm badly mistaken which I doubt

just a lot of crit

[unborn sable]

right, I was saying agility gear had AGI (for crit) AND ATTACK POWER, AND CRIT/HIT

so Agi gear was substantially higher budget

than Str for item level

so agi basically had 4 stats

where str gear had 3

the trade off was that str gave 2 AP per point

but that wasn't really a trade off

[woven torrent]

No

You said agi gave crit and AP

But yes, agi was good shit

[unborn sable]

I corrected myself below

[woven torrent]

Leather

I mean

[plain jungle]

@frosty haven

haste was introduced in TBC

iirc

[woven torrent]

Yes

[stable adder]

So arms now over Fury? PVE or pvp? seems that fury got nerf?

[frosty haven]

wrong channel m8. this is classic, also i dont see where fury was nerfed although arms did get buffed

still fury is better

[unborn sable]

@plain jungle haste was a stat in Vanilla

[plain jungle]

Not like we have today

And wasn't present on regular gear

[unborn sable]

Too true

I think the only haste was the enchants from DIremaul

[woven torrent]

And troll racial

[icy trout]

Flurry?

[unborn sable]

was talking about "as a stat"

[steel lantern]

Pretty sure troll racial read attack speed back then anyway

[woven torrent]

Its haste

Increases spell casting too

[halcyon mist]

haste really took off in wotlk when they started paying closer attention to itemization

[solar matrix]

"paying closer attention to itemization" = making all items samey and boring

itemization started going to shit when they locked stamina to item level

and just kept going downhill

[slim loom]

Whats the price of a +10 carry approximately?

in gold

[strange berry]

there arent 10s in classic

[slim loom]

Oops wrong channel sorry

[strange berry]

xD

[main hemlock]

how much for baron timed run boost

we were masters of that back then, ez af

[woven torrent]

@gleaming karma Gathering storm os CA?

[gleaming karma]

CA if you dont have one

Gs for aoe

[next totem]

🤔

[royal topaz]

@main hemlock hi

[main hemlock]

boost plz

5 gold

[royal topaz]

what

this isn’t what i wanted

[main hemlock]

hi

what you need brother

[woven torrent]

Oh wow

Didn't notice that this was classic, sorry

[slender scarab]

No One ever notices this is for Classic

[royal topaz]

hey guys can anyone sign my guild chart?

[thick verge]

anyone recruiting a demon hunter for the new wotlk server?

[gleaming karma]

🤔

[next totem]

🤔

[regal meadow]

:thonk:

[south bolt]

boo

[lucid iris]

hey so wondering if anyone would want to do bfa story with me/ help me through it

[next totem]

BfA story in classic 👀

Tbh this channel really badly needs a rename lol

[royal topaz]

@next totem you got it

[next totem]

:o

Poggers

❤

[royal topaz]

@next totem got any handy tips for jadefire?

[next totem]

Not a warrior actually for the up and coming classic. What is the deal with jadefire satyrs for warriors?

[worthy escarp]

tfw they changed this to #vanilla-discussion cus ppl confused it with #general

[west barn]

Hello Guys 😉

[unborn sable]

best part of classic

[idle shale]

pepehands

[main hemlock]

high t h r e a t

[plain jungle]

its fine if i use rank 1

[pine grotto]

https://www.heroicstrike.org

[unborn sable]

IT SHALL RETURN

[icy trout]

I keybound heroic strike to T

Easy mashing

[steel lantern]

Just macro it into everything

[unborn sable]

It Was my #1

[dull pagoda]

what do you lads like so much about heroic strike

[frosty haven]

nostalgia

[dull pagoda]

Never got the obsession with it

[frosty haven]

also its an off GCD rage dump

[plain jungle]

ur rage management button