off-topic

[prime warren]

What point are we actually trying to make? White man bad because of Native American genocide?

[feral oriole]

Not really

I just found it strange that he/she ranked Native American genocide above the Mongols in terms of death count

Thats literally all

[prime warren]

Cuz I’m not sure what we’re trying to make a point of

I see

[feral oriole]

But since you cant find out pure numbers when it comes to the Native American genocide

its hard to compare the two

Since the number of population back then ranged from 8-140mil

And we cant tell what is intent when it comes to Disease blankets

Or just random disease

[nova dome]

I didn't rank

Actually

I just listed

[feral oriole]

The Mongol numbers are set in stone

[nova dome]

But go off lol

[feral oriole]

by most academic people

[prime warren]

Kinda like how what’s her name could be anywhere between 1/64th to 1/1000th Native American

[modest knot]

omg when people conquer places people die!?

[feral oriole]

between 5-10%

[modest knot]

who woulda thunk

[prime warren]

It’s almost like that’s what happens when you take over a territory

You take out the threat

[nova dome]

The threat

the THREAT

[prime warren]

Yes....

[nova dome]

Who taught them how to fish and plant

[modest knot]

why are you so outraged?

[nova dome]

What a threat btw

[feral oriole]

Yeah, Conquer usually means slay everyone in your way

[nova dome]

I'm not

Sorry

[modest knot]

so you are virtue signalling?

[nova dome]

It's hilarious

[prime warren]

I mean I seriously doubt that the settlers didn’t know how to fish

[nova dome]

It's like he's skipped every history class he's ever been a part of

[feral oriole]

...

[prime warren]

And it wasn’t so one sided

[feral oriole]

To be fair, am EU, but my point still stands

[nova dome]

Not you Afro

[feral oriole]

Oh

[nova dome]

Though you're still wrong

[prime warren]

It’s more like you just bought into liberal propaganda that the natives din’ do nutin

[nova dome]

But I think u have brain cells

[feral oriole]

Agree to disagree my man, but not gonna talk about it much more

[nova dome]

He thinks I'm a liberal

He thinks I don't hate liberals

Looooool

[plucky vale]

Lmao

[feral oriole]

Got a lot more passionate about it than intended, my bad @nova dome

[nova dome]

@ @alpine bobcat look

[prime warren]

Neither side had clean hands

[nova dome]

He was blatantly racist

[plucky vale]

This is so cringey

[modest knot]

This dude needs a SJW medal

[prime warren]

But hey let’s act like something that happened over 200 years ago has any bearing on how either of us live our lives

[alpine bobcat]

the 'din do nuthin' ?

[prime warren]

I think he was referring to the fact that I “called him a liberal”

Which I didn’t

[nova dome]

Yeah

The "dindu"

[rich hemlock]

him

[prime warren]

Or excuse me her

[feral oriole]

Lowkey, writing has impacted my life

[nova dome]

Why make such a huge emphasis

Identity politics much?

Kappa

[modest knot]

says the person calling someone racist

[prime warren]

And is what I said actually racist?

[modest knot]

lol

[kind cedar]

merek nuke this channel

pls

[rich hemlock]

^

[prime warren]

I just typed out a phrase

Didn’t realize that was racist

[kind cedar]

its not

[alpine bobcat]

i personally don't jump on things like that. That's kinda iffy. he's talking about natives, not someone that stereotypical speaks in ebonics

[modest knot]

everything is racist if you try hard enough

watch out Weep will get you

[feral oriole]

I mean

[alpine bobcat]

stereotypically*

[feral oriole]

You are not wrong grom

lmao

[nova dome]

Wat

[kind cedar]

stereotyping isnt racist in its own right

[nova dome]

When have I called anything but that racist

[kind cedar]

it can be rude

[nova dome]

It seems like you're trying hard to "get the sjw"

But I haven't called anyone racist

And I'm kind of hurt that you don't respect me :'(

So much for the tolerant right

[nova dome]

Yes

[modest knot]

haHAA

[prime warren]

I haven’t even insulted you

[tropic stream]

Tfw use screenshots to qote

Big yikes

[nova dome]

Do I need to circle the key words for you too?

[prime warren]

But you’ve insulted me a few times

[nova dome]

I mean you said I believe "liberal propaganda"

[alpine bobcat]

That was meant in a way to demean though. Sounded like ebonics, if that were talking about black people i would call that racist for sure. But the natives didn't even speak english back then, so i literally just read that about him mocking liberals and trying to consider them low educated

[nova dome]

Dunno

[prime warren]

But here you are saying “so much for the tolerant right”

[nova dome]

It's a dogwhistle nonetheless @alpine bobcat

[modest knot]

huh?

no its not

you fool

[tropic stream]

Marok

Save us

[prime warren]

It’s more to point to the fact that neither side was any better than the other

[tropic stream]

Delete #off-topic its the only way

[nova dome]

@prime warren that was a meme

[modest knot]

this dude is literally cnn calling things dogwhistles now

YIKES

[nova dome]

Are you saying dogwhistles don't existM

Like at all

[modest knot]

No im saying you are foolish

[nova dome]

Haha got the sjw !

Epic

[modest knot]

and trying to hard

[nova dome]

That one was epic bro

[alpine bobcat]

Weep, just my opinion... I understand your point, but that's a bit of a stretch and I think it does more to negatively affect their views of your judgement than any gain from calling it out would

[nova dome]

This is just an insult fest now

[kind cedar]

[prime warren]

I’m not seeing anything epic lul

[nova dome]

Call me back if you want to actually talk about something

@alpine bobcat shrug

[prime warren]

I just see a lot of stretching

[nova dome]

My problem is that I've probably dealt with a lot more people like this than they have with people like me

I tend to make assumptions

[prime warren]

And attempts at being pedantic

[nova dome]

Maybe you're not a super racist Nazi like my assumptions might think you are @prime warren

And I apologise for letting them get the better of me

[kind cedar]

[alpine bobcat]

What part of the states do you live in, if you don't mind me asking? weep

[prime warren]

Well your assumptions would definitely be wrong about me

[nova dome]

Illinois

[modest knot]

oh shit Nazi's now

lul

[nova dome]

I was memeing

Again

[alpine bobcat]

south illinois?

[nova dome]

Central @alpine bobcat

@prime warren but I don't think you're terrible

Things can get heated

[feral oriole]

When did the word "meme" overtake the word "joke"

[prime warren]

TBH

[modest knot]

how is it a meme?

[nova dome]

I am not as patient as I used to be

[prime warren]

It doesn’t look like a meme

[nova dome]

I mean

If sjw is a meme

Calling conservatives Nazi can be too

[prime warren]

There’s no /s or anything to denote it as such

[modest knot]

?

[nova dome]

It's a joke in that I haven't done it before

But that's the caricature

[modest knot]

it just makes you look stupid because you are making light of a terrible association/movement

[alpine bobcat]

spent majority of my life in the south east. i live in shit ass GA now (i love ATL doooooe). This is fairly normal behavior for a lot of people down here at least. People that don't even mean anything racist or anything.

[nova dome]

I mean it's possible

[prime warren]

Either way it doesn’t matter to me

[nova dome]

Pretty shitty things to pick up though

[prime warren]

I don’t typically let someone’s political views or worldview affect my perception of them as a person

[kind cedar]

unless they self identify as a nazi

[nova dome]

I'm just not in the business of opening my mind

[kind cedar]

[rich hemlock]

I self identify as a stormforged warrior

[kind cedar]

sorry m8

[nova dome]

I'm not interested in changing what I believe

[alpine bobcat]

i'm a black male that has gotten with white females that have confederate flags on their walls before lol. where are you from, Griff?

[nova dome]

But I am interested in changing how I respond to it

He's from California

[prime warren]

From Cali

Living in Virginia rn tho

[nova dome]

@lone ibex first underrot boss pog

[alpine bobcat]

ah, that's a big land of mystery to me. i've driven in some country places in cali before. but as a whole, i feel a lot safer there than south georgia

[sage aurora]

fuck

[kind cedar]

[feral oriole]

Hey

what the fuck

[nova dome]

Sexy

[alpine bobcat]

that booty poke out, he squats

[feral oriole]

If you are gonna post manly shit post the real thing at least

[nova dome]

Rest in peace my man

[sage aurora]

He looks like a fucking centaur lmao

[tropic stream]

Real men

[prime warren]

@alpine bobcat there are definitely some rough places in Cali

But for the most part it’s nice

[plucky vale]

Not being open to having your opiniom changed is absoloutely rediculous

[nova dome]

@prime warren I'm sorry for my hostility

[sage aurora]

Alright, now that this is over with

[alpine bobcat]

You guys see that Sacha Baren Coen (sp) special? This is America.. That episode in Arizona where he talks about building the US's biggest mosque to their city?

[sage aurora]

@nova dome are you home

[nova dome]

Hopefully this doesn't affect our relationship in the future

[sage aurora]

you promised you'd make a video

[nova dome]

@sage aurora about to be

[sage aurora]

Kk great im waiting for your video

[kind cedar]

@alpine bobcat im from arizona, and that bit was 80% faked

[sage aurora]

im sure it'll be better than @kind cedar videos

[alpine bobcat]

If not, I suggest yall see it.

@kind cedar define faked

[kind cedar]

the crowd was not residents of arizona

[alpine bobcat]

It was egged on, but those were real reactions. People that were there ven said so

Hm, where were they from?

[kind cedar]

people were real but not arizonans

[alpine bobcat]

They acted like that was their city

[sage aurora]

Man the US has such huge problems

apparently

[kind cedar]

kingman is a small community, their mayor went on live radio saying that the people in the video were specifically selected for the bit

[sage aurora]

Im happy to live in sweden where we complain about public islamic announcements via microphones

[nova dome]

@sage aurora I'm gonna shower first

[kind cedar]

and the mayor was COMPLETELY disgusted at the video

[sage aurora]

go for it

[kind cedar]

she has a podcast somwhere online

[prime warren]

@nova dome don’t worry about it, I’ve dealt with much worse and developed thick skin when doing rotc and the guard

[sage aurora]

@nova dome ping me or PM me when u post it 😄

[nova dome]

@sage aurora might be a few weeks

[sage aurora]

oh

LOL

ima make a video

and its gonna be done in 2 days

cuz im a

consistent youtuber

[nova dome]

Or I can rush it and finish it tonight

[rich hemlock]

@sage aurora you can probbaly make a shitty guide when path hits and get 10k views

like I did

[nova dome]

@prime warren just make sure u aren't drinking that soda

[sage aurora]

path?

oh

path?

[rich hemlock]

patch

[sage aurora]

oh

patch?

yeah

but i cant make it serious

[alpine bobcat]

Hampus, we're like 40 years removed from jim crow laws. of course we still have problems. and then some people try to put their heads in the sand like 40 years was enough time that everything is gone. I've never been overseas as an adult, I can only talk about my country. I just assume the whole world is racist for the most part. In India, the darker Indians are treated like second class. What kinda shit is that? lol, your own people, just darker

[sage aurora]

that shit aint for me

[rich hemlock]

no

I didn't make any editing

like at all

I was just first

[alpine bobcat]

idk Keladan, that just sounds like damage control to me

i said 40, i can't maths

[sage aurora]

@alpine bobcat yeah idk i couldnt care less about anything and i probably wouldnt even if I wasnt white, but the india part is just hilarious to me

[alpine bobcat]

i've been up awhile

[nova dome]

@alpine bobcat I think I mostly have strong views on racism bc I'm a victim of local racism myself

[plucky vale]

Indians have a class system

[nova dome]

So it's a sore topic

[kind cedar]

i've been to kingman several times, the community there is not at all like what was portrayed on that skit ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[sage aurora]

@rich hemlock yeah but i cant make serious videos

I made a top 5 fortnite youtubers whove sworn

a few months ago

pretty epic video if i say so myself

[rich hemlock]

oh

[sage aurora]

only got 50 views though not worth it

[rich hemlock]

idk just hit a dummy

[sage aurora]

Unlucky

[kind cedar]

kingman of all the towns in arizona is probably the most welcoming of tourists and strangers

[rich hemlock]

for 10 mins

then say "hey go read archi's guide"

[sage aurora]

Pog thumbnails if u ask me

[tropic stream]

Oh

Is it over?

[sage aurora]

I think so

[tropic stream]

Are we safe?

[nova dome]

@tropic stream never safe

I'm always here on the prowl

Mostly just for bad fury advice though

[tropic stream]

I argue

That im bere more

Here

[nova dome]

So don't even THINK about being wrong about fury

True

I'm in #fury

[tropic stream]

I dont play wow so idk

[nova dome]

It's ok

I'm gonna get banned soon anyway B(

[bleak trail]

Why is that?

[alpine bobcat]

@nova dome i've been lucky. I grew up in Orlando, FL which central and south FL are (for the most part) basically the north of the south. Aside from local fights and people getting racist just to get a rise out of me, I may have had a few traffic stops that were unwarranted and searching of my car. But I can't for certain know. That's about all the troubles I've had. But for sure, when I drive from Florida to Atlanta, GA. I make sure I get gas before hitting south GA. I've never had anything happen, and 95% wouldn't. I just don't like the feeling of those country gas stations in south GA

[nova dome]

Big argument

[tropic stream]

Woa

Tldr

[bleak trail]

Also thanks for the discussion weep.

[nova dome]

Marok gonna ban me

@alpine bobcat I was beaten and almost murdered \:d/

[sage aurora]

he wont ban you

[nova dome]

Mario gonna bane me

😭

[sage aurora]

idk why he would it was just a discussion

[alpine bobcat]

sorry Levko, i guess most people type on their phones. I don't like to type too many statements consecutively

[tropic stream]

Police can stop you

[alpine bobcat]

sorry to hear that weep :/

[tropic stream]

Its not up to you if its warranted

At least where i am in netherlands

You can sue them if you really disagree

[nova dome]

I wanna sue God

For letting me be born

[alpine bobcat]

it depends on the state here, but i'm almost positive that's not true here

[nova dome]

Born into a world where arms outperforms fury in raid

[alpine bobcat]

but my main point was that the stops were bullshit anyway

i didn't try to fight them

#armsprivilege

[bleak trail]

I want to sue my parents for not aborting me

Personally

🤔

[alpine bobcat]

i want to sue people for their unnecessary wealth hoarding

[plucky vale]

you wanna sue people because they wont give u money they earned?

[alpine bobcat]

yes i believe in capitalism

[modest knot]

successful people must be sued!

hahAA

[alpine bobcat]

no, i want to sue people that hoard money and don't try to help issues in the world

even if small

[modest knot]

wait

[nova dome]

Grom back to exaggerate and attack? :X

[feral oriole]

Yeah, half-agree

[plucky vale]

it's not their responsibility to fix the world if they dont want to

[nova dome]

Billionaires shouldn't exist

[alpine bobcat]

i hate the wealth distribution in the world

[bleak trail]

Sue me daddy.

[modest knot]

If you have no money that is how you view things i guess

[bleak trail]

👀

[kind cedar]

[nova dome]

Should you be able to have a higher standard of comfort based on success? Yes

[tropic stream]

Wtf why would you force others to spend money how u want

[feral oriole]

Isnt Bill gates in the same opinio?

[nova dome]

But being that high up is yikes

@feral oriole yes

All of his money is going towards malaria rn

[alpine bobcat]

i never said it was derping, i said i want to sue them, didn't say i actually feel they should have their wealth taken away. those are just my feelings of disdain for them, not that i think anything should actually be done

i guess because i copied the word sue from earlier, that is misleading af

[modest knot]

You aren't Capitalist if you want to redistribute wealth to people in "need".

[nova dome]

I'm not capitalist

[modest knot]

you are the antithesis of Capitalist

[nova dome]

I'm socialist

Idk about nimbus tho

I'm not hopping into another debate

[alpine bobcat]

i am capitalist, I don't believe in forcing anyone to do that. I would do that if I were in their position and i would HOPE more do as well. I'm not insinuating anything should be taken from them

[tropic stream]

Why would i work hhard if i get pId same as others

[plucky vale]

well its ok that you feel that way but saying you want to sue them isnt productive

[nova dome]

I have showers to take

@tropic stream the thing is

[tropic stream]

Paid

[alpine bobcat]

just stating the fact that I dislike the wealth distribution in the world

[nova dome]

You would get more if you worked harder

It's not saying "give everyone the same"

[tropic stream]

We do

[nova dome]

It's saying "instead of it being a mountain, make it a slope"

You don't

[alpine bobcat]

Yeah derping, someone else said they want to sue.. I just copied that statement to voice my dislike. I realize now how it is confusing

[plucky vale]

fair

[feral oriole]

We really dont pay people based on how hard they work

[nova dome]

You can work as hard as you want at a McDonald's for minimum wage and make less than a dude sleeping at an office job

[feral oriole]

Hard work does not = Cash money flow

[tropic stream]

Why would i work at Ll

All

If i get paid anywzy

[nova dome]

Because you'd get nothing if you didn't

You'd get bare necessities to live

People work for comfort

[tropic stream]

Uhhh

[nova dome]

I mean America has forced conscription

[alpine bobcat]

i'm not completely socialist. i guess i'm more a bernie guy. democratic socialist. i believe in expanding our social programs we have currently

[nova dome]

You can be forced to fight and die

If you're a man

[tropic stream]

Ye but murika isnt the brightest

[nova dome]

Oh for sure

[tropic stream]

Why would i risk my life

[feral oriole]

Mfw I cant relate to American Politics 😦

[tropic stream]

For pointless conflicts

[nova dome]

What does someone need 50 billion dollars for?

[modest knot]

Where is America's forced conscription ?

[nova dome]

Like actually?

[feral oriole]

All the fucking Guitars

[nova dome]

@modest knot when you're 18 you are legally required to sign up

[plucky vale]

they dont need it but they dont deserve to have it taken from them

[tropic stream]

Retarded country

[bleak trail]

Hookers, coke, puppies and flatscreen tvs

Duh

[feral oriole]

And guitars

dont forget that part

[nova dome]

They shouldn't have it in the first place

[feral oriole]

thanks

[tropic stream]

Shouldnt?

[nova dome]

It should go back to the people working their asses off just to survive

[bleak trail]

I mean if they have earned the money

[nova dome]

Who do work hard

[alpine bobcat]

Weep, sign up for what at 18?

[tropic stream]

As long as they didnt get it illegly

[nova dome]

But can barely afford rent

[plucky vale]

why, people should just stop buying microsoft shit bcuz bill gates has too much money?

[tropic stream]

All good

[nova dome]

@alpine bobcat military conscription in case of dire need

[feral oriole]

It should probably be taxed more based on income

[plucky vale]

so they're entitled to bill gates's money because they cant afford rent?

[feral oriole]

To roll back into the country for planning ahead into the future

[nova dome]

@plucky vale I stop buying Microsoft because I'm a proponent of a free and open source internet

[tropic stream]

Other ppl dont help me when i was in need

Why would i help strangers

[modest knot]

Military Consciption hasnt been a thing for ages

[nova dome]

And Microsoft has shown to be against that time and time again

[modest knot]

wtf are you on about

lol

[feral oriole]

Because we wouldnt have a future if we didnt give a shit?

[tropic stream]

I help frkends and family

[plucky vale]

okay thats cool but not at all related to what i was saying

[tropic stream]

I pay 50% tax already

[nova dome]

I think if you are rich your tax should be astronomically high

[tropic stream]

So i must give away mooore???

[feral oriole]

Depends on your pay

[nova dome]

You're not rich dude

[feral oriole]

Do you have 50 billion?

[modest knot]

If anything more countries should have mandatory military service it would get rid of all these snowflakes

[bleak trail]

I mean I've worked two jobs just to make rent where I shared an apartment and I've lived out of my car whilst working and while I've managed to get education and live comfortably now I can tell you at no point would I want anyone taking my money or have took someone else's money during that

[alpine bobcat]

I don't remember signing up for anything. I was just always under the impression that the draft could come back at any time cuz Big Guberment

[nova dome]

@alpine bobcat you're automatically signed up for it

[feral oriole]

I love when everyone relates to rich people things suddenly

[nova dome]

If you've ever done fasfa

It signs you up there

A bunch of other agencies do too

FAFSA*

[feral oriole]

If you are not above a certain net worth then the "dont take muh money" doesnt sort of concern you in most ways

since I doubt anyone here has over 1 billion

[nova dome]

Yeah it literally doesn't affect you in any way but positively

[bleak trail]

I mean sure, but I wouldnt want to take someone else's money

[nova dome]

Why

[alpine bobcat]

it's the same thing as i'm thinking, just different way of viewing it i guess. in my head, didn't matter if i signed up for anything or not

[nova dome]

They have no trouble stomping over you

[kind cedar]

rich people dont stomp over me

[feral oriole]

Same

[plucky vale]

same

[nova dome]

Bill Gates is great but Microsoft still uses labor factories in third world countries

[bleak trail]

It's not my money, its theirs to do with as they see fit.

[nova dome]

They also have connections to ICE

[feral oriole]

I would just want to secure a better future for anyone else tbh

[nova dome]

@kind cedar they do though

[kind cedar]

lol

[tropic stream]

bring out the tinfoil hats

everyone

[plucky vale]

you're opressed you just dont know it

xd

[nova dome]

Every single time a price increases they're gouging you because they know that's what you'll pay for it

[tropic stream]

@plucky vale can you really be oppressed without knowing?

[alpine bobcat]

i agree with Weep here though

[kind cedar]

wow so oppressed with my full time job, car, and house

[tropic stream]

isnt that part of the oppression

[nova dome]

And the people who don't have to work?

[plucky vale]

no i was being sarcastic

[tropic stream]

i know

[nova dome]

Who have more than you will ever have

[tropic stream]

but just as continuation of your point

[nova dome]

Without doing anything?

That's fair?

[kind cedar]

who cares about them? they arent stomping me

[tropic stream]

life isnt fair

this isnt a disney cartoon

you make the best with hwat you have

[modest knot]

Are you taking Grievance studies or something

[tropic stream]

peopel arent out to get you

[nova dome]

The only way to get rich is oppression and abuse of the workforce

[plucky vale]

no

[tropic stream]

?

[plucky vale]

thats not true at all

[sage aurora]

lol

[nova dome]

What other ways can you get rich?

[feral oriole]

Being a sucessful Musician?

[tropic stream]

shares

actor

[feral oriole]

Making things yourself?

[tropic stream]

porn

[nova dome]

Yikes

Porn tho

[tropic stream]

must be female to get rich with porn

[nova dome]

Agree

[feral oriole]

Porn is probably the worst example about this

[plucky vale]

assuming all heads of companies who created jobs for thousands of people are evil

[feral oriole]

lmao

[tropic stream]

males dont get that much

[nova dome]

But are they rich rich

Or are they wealthy

[tropic stream]

wtf

now u make more criteria?

[modest knot]

owning your own business is a great way to get rich if that small business is successful

[feral oriole]

What is the cut off line?

[nova dome]

My point is that most of the ways you get rich

[tropic stream]

most?

[nova dome]

You're fucking other ppl over

[tropic stream]

weep ☭

The only way to get rich is oppression and abuse of the workforce

in #off-topic · Nov 7, 2018, 7:14 PM

[plucky vale]

your point is wrong

[tropic stream]

u jsut said the only

[feral oriole]

I can agree with the most statement

[modest knot]

your point is absurd and silly

[nova dome]

Well

You're free to get rich

I'll wait

Completely pacifist

[sage aurora]

What is considered rich?

[modest knot]

Are you majoring in Grievance studies Weep?

[tropic stream]

im not rich, but im under no illusion that rich people are the devil

[modest knot]

you sure sound like everything in the world is a problem adn you are studying it

[nova dome]

@modest knot comp sci :)

I'm not attacking you so I don't know why you're attacking me

[tropic stream]

attacking?

where

who

[nova dome]

I'm saying the rich should give more to the people

[modest knot]

you should switch to gender studies and grievance studies it suits you

[tropic stream]

they shouldnt

only if they want to

[prime warren]

You don’t get rich by yourself by simply being a nice person

[nova dome]

They don't

[tropic stream]

then they wont

case closed

[nova dome]

And that's why we have climate change

[prime warren]

I’ll agree with that

[tropic stream]

??????????

[nova dome]

That's why we have global warming

[tropic stream]

climate change

what

what kind of 180 turns

are we making

[prime warren]

But I won’t agree that the only way to get rich is to screw people over

[feral oriole]

^

[nova dome]

Companies cause global warming

90% of global warming is 50 companies

[plucky vale]

so does the government lol

[tropic stream]

u knpow there was more CO2 in the atmosphere 300m il years ago

right

than now

[nova dome]

Trees were different

[prime warren]

There’s a very large correlation between having a certain amount of disagreeableness and success

[bleak trail]

Just be Nestle in Michigan and wreck flint mi

[feral oriole]

I cant tell if people are denying global warming right now

[nova dome]

Fungi hadn't evolved to eat dead trees

[bleak trail]

With no consequence

[nova dome]

They grew much larger

[bleak trail]

👀

[nova dome]

If they cared about your future they would go green

[tropic stream]

global warmign happens, but the way to solve it isnt to be a communism-light

[prime warren]

Although I can point to someone who is rich and didn’t oppress or abuse the workforce

[nova dome]

But they don't

I didn't say it was

I said heavy taxes

[tropic stream]

u know somethign about holland?

[modest knot]

why would you want to be taxed more

[tropic stream]

i pay 42%

[prime warren]

points at Jordan B. Peterson

[modest knot]

unless you make no money

its actually insane

[nova dome]

He isn't rich he's just kinda stupid TBH lol @prime warren

[prime warren]

He’s very rich

[nova dome]

Dragon of chaos prevents me from cleaning my room

[prime warren]

He makes a lot of money

[alpine bobcat]

To me, I would consider myself 'rich' if i made 300k net a year in the future. The actual rich laugh at that. That's not even a goal I ever see myself attaining. And bringing up athletes, musicians, and actors that make it is not really great though, those are outliers. the odds of making it that way are so slim

[prime warren]

And I wouldn’t call him stupid he’s very intelligent

[modest knot]

You think Jordan Peterson is stupid?

[nova dome]

Mfw dragon of chaos

[prime warren]

I mean if you live in the US you’re in the top 1% of the world

[nova dome]

I dunno why you think I would tax the lower class more

When I'm talking about the rich

That just seems kind of yikes dawg

I told you

[plucky vale]

taxing just the rich isnt enough money though

[nova dome]

Uhhhh

[modest knot]

Who is the "rich"

[feral oriole]

Yeah, can we get a cut-off point

[modest knot]

where do you draw the line?

[feral oriole]

Since that would remove 90% of the arguments

[nova dome]

The top 1% have more than the bottom 99% combined

So how would taxing the middle and lower class more help?

There's no cutoff

[modest knot]

draw the line please

[nova dome]

I'm saying wealth should be a slope

Not a mountain

And therefore there can't be a line

Because it's dynamic based on wealth

Personally I think you should be rewarded more the harder you work

But guess what

We aren't

[prime warren]

Like JBP makes over 80k a month from patreon alone

[nova dome]

Ya

[feral oriole]

I just drew a box

lmao

[nova dome]

A slope

[prime warren]

That’s not including what he was making as a professor

[nova dome]

Not a mountain.

[prime warren]

What he’s making from books

Or speaking

Or his other materials

[alpine bobcat]

weep, your idea is to white/black. who defines 'working hard' ? what are the factors

[nova dome]

@prime warren he's not 1%

@alpine bobcat hey

I'm not starting a government here

I don't need to define that

[alpine bobcat]

fair enough

[prime warren]

Anyone who lives in the US or Canada is in the 1%

[feral oriole]

There we go

Best font

[nova dome]

Someone who's trying to enact this would

[feral oriole]

lmao

[prime warren]

Unless you’re talking the 1% of the 1%

[feral oriole]

How complicated can we make this very simple graph

[nova dome]

@prime warren it's a useless thing

[alpine bobcat]

i want to go back 20 sec and fix my typo of too* i'm compelled to fix it

[nova dome]

I'm talking us tax

So like

It's implied

[feral oriole]

Isnt US Tax really low though?

Compared to EU

[plucky vale]

depends on the state

[sage aurora]

Yes.

[plucky vale]

compared to eu yes

[prime warren]

Depends on state and income bracket

[nova dome]

My state has a flat tax

[sage aurora]

Well isn't it pretty low for the rich as well?

[nova dome]

There is no bracketing

[prime warren]

Not really

[nova dome]

Yes

West wing for example

[prime warren]

Bracketing definitely applies on a federal level iirc

[nova dome]

Rich man pays 27 times more in taxes, but his water doesn't come out 27 times hotter

[feral oriole]

I think we have 32% for people under 46k yearly

[nova dome]

But he for sure has 27 times more efficiency in government lobbying

[sage aurora]

0% from 0 kronor to 18,800 kronor
Circa 32% (ca. 11% county and 20% municipality tax which is the Swedish average): from 18,800 kronor to 468,700 kronor
32% + 20%: from 468,700 kronor to 675,700 kronor
32% + 25%: above 675,700 kronor

1 krona is around .8-.9 dollars.

Just move to sweden

looool

[nova dome]

Anyway I'm taking a shower

[prime warren]

You know what would be nice?

If we only paid state taxes and the state paid federal taxes

[feral oriole]

Its actually not that much noticeable when factoring in how cheap medicine and shit is here

[prime warren]

But it’d never happen

[modest knot]

Do you make any money to speak of @nova dome or are you just a student by trade?

[alpine bobcat]

why would that matter, Grom?

only the rich allowed to opine about their tax bracket?

[feral oriole]

Gives him some perspective

[modest knot]

Wanting people to be taxed more but not actually paying into it

[feral oriole]

from his/her PoV

[prime warren]

Just spitballing but typically People’s opinions on taxes change depending on their income

[modest knot]

having no real perspective

[feral oriole]

Your own income definitely influences your own opinion

[tropic stream]

@prime warren lol

true

"i want people to pay moretax, but i pay too much so not me"

[alpine bobcat]

Not necessarily. My uncle is a multi-millionaire, thinking about buying a private jet soon. Votes blue all the time

[tropic stream]

paraphrased

[prime warren]

There’s a reason why as a general trend younger people have always leaned more left and as they got older they learned more right

[modest knot]

I'm Canadian and we pay a decent amount of tax here

I don't really feel I want to pay more into the system

especially to the "Government"

[prime warren]

Obviously there will be outliers

[feral oriole]

Again, I doubt in the definition we are discussing you reach the "rich" point

[alpine bobcat]

Yes, agreed

[feral oriole]

The cut-off

[alpine bobcat]

I would like to think if I ever made real money to brag about, i'd be an outlier as well

[feral oriole]

So it wouldnt really affect you right now

Same way it wouldnt affect me

Effect? Affect?

[alpine bobcat]

affect is correct

[modest knot]

trying to tax the ultra rich more is a fairytale though

[alpine bobcat]

affect = verb, effect = noun. i used to fuck up on those all the time

[feral oriole]

Its probably never going to happen

[plucky vale]

same lol

[feral oriole]

Its that EU education for me

[modest knot]

so this is why I said draw a line

[feral oriole]

Yeah, having a clear cut-off point is important

[alpine bobcat]

just because it doesn't affect us, doesn't mean we can't understand it

[modest knot]

If I make 70k am I rich?

how about 80k

90k

100k

[alpine bobcat]

if you're asking my opinion, no

[modest knot]

who chooses?

[feral oriole]

I would say if you reach 1 mil yearly profit then yeah, you can be counted as rich in my opinion

[prime warren]

Depends on who you’re asking and what your living situation is

[feral oriole]

Talking US of course

[prime warren]

80k in California doesn’t go very far for example

[feral oriole]

My opinion mostly goes around those that have reached a net worth of 1 billion or more, IE, the Super-rich

[prime warren]

But if you’re making 80k a year in Missouri that’s a different story

[feral oriole]

Not that I realistically believe it would ever happen and cant understand anyone elses pov

[prime warren]

That goes a lot farther

[alpine bobcat]

i'm kinda confused on the point now, i got lost somewhere. are you saying because i have no idea how it feels to lose a shit ton more of my money to taxes, i should have less of a say?

[feral oriole]

No, no, not at all!

My apologies, havent said that at all. I just tried to clear up the Cut-off point idea

[alpine bobcat]

i'm sleep deprived, so hard to gather thoughts sometimes 😃

[feral oriole]

Just tried to settle on a Cut-off point to where it would actually affect people

[alpine bobcat]

gotcha

[feral oriole]

Everyone still has their right to an opinion, but in the end it wouldnt affect someone who earns 20k/year basically

[modest knot]

If you havent ever worked a job to see your wage be taxed by 40% or whatever like in many places I really don't see how you could tell people they need to be taxed more

or even propose having more taxes for the "rich"

[feral oriole]

Got taxed 38% for my Last job

[prime warren]

I’m not rich by any means

[feral oriole]

So know that feel and still sort of half-agree

[modest knot]

especially when you look at what the government is doing with the money

[prime warren]

But I don’t think it’s fair to tax the hell out of someone who’s a top earner in the country

[feral oriole]

I feel like tax is the wrong word

Sort of

[alpine bobcat]

i disagree with that, Grom. Taxes affect a lot more than just your wallet. That's a very micro outlook on it

[feral oriole]

Even though its literally tax

[prime warren]

You’re right taxation is legal theft @feral oriole 😜

[feral oriole]

Yeeee

[prime warren]

Jk

[feral oriole]

I tried to figure out a bettter way to word it without saying Tax but came up with jack shit

[prime warren]

Obviously taxes need to exist

[modest knot]

@alpine bobcat Do you work ?

[prime warren]

I just don’t think the government in recent times have been upholding their end of the bargain

[alpine bobcat]

I do

[feral oriole]

I agree

[alpine bobcat]

Hopefully taking a break next year to go to law school

[feral oriole]

I think most issues in countries such as mine could be solved if the assets were re-distributed better

[nova dome]

who pinged

I just left

[alpine bobcat]

yo no se

[nova dome]

If I wanted to make money

I could make money

comp sci is a very lucrative field

instead I spend my time working on hobby projects

like pushing small commits to simc

[modest knot]

Yeh especially for the hammer and sickle types

[rich hemlock]

work then pay someone to fix geti

[nova dome]

I won't fix geti

not me

[rich hemlock]

yes that's what I said

[alpine bobcat]

Weep, his point is that you haven't paid into taxes yet so you don't understand how it feels to lose taxes out of your check. I personally think that's a shallow outlook. I'm trying to say that without being a dick

[nova dome]

it is shallow

I'm saying lower the taxes for the middle and lower class

and he's talking about how shitty taxes feel

like ok

[modest knot]

how is it shallow?

[nova dome]

why do you not want lower taxes

and why do you not want higher taxes

and then why do you say that taxes suck?

[prime warren]

We can’t lower those taxes without actually fundamentally changing how our government works

It’s too dysfunctional rn

[modest knot]

I didn't say any of that

[nova dome]

agree

grom

[alpine bobcat]

Not much depth to that type of thinking. Like I said earlier, taxes affect a lot more than wallets. I'm sure Weep understands the purpose of them and sees what they do in the world other than taking money out of your bank account

[modest knot]

but continue drawing false conclusions

[nova dome]

what I'm saying would give you lower taxes

[prime warren]

And a lot of that is in the legislation department

[nova dome]

and you argue against it and say that I've never paid taxes

so it leads me to infer that you don't want lower taxes

but when you say that having tax removed from your paycheck feels bad

that leads me to infer that you don't want higher taxes

so I'm not sure where you lay

[prime warren]

I don’t think anyone wants higher taxes

[modest knot]

My point there is you have no real world perspective

[prime warren]

Actually excuse me

Anyone in their right mind*

[modest knot]

like many "students"

[nova dome]

what do you do for work?

and how much do you make?

[modest knot]

I make Video game art

Im a 3d artist

[feral oriole]

Lowkey kinda cool

[nova dome]

highkey*

[modest knot]

I make about ~60k

with benefits and shit like that included

[prime warren]

Real talk this man worked on RDR2

[nova dome]

have you had any medical procedures?

[prime warren]

:kappa

[nova dome]

have you ever had to use an ambulance?

[modest knot]

nah but I'm Canadian so our system is a bit different in terms of hospitals and such

[alpine bobcat]

i have, fucking $1300 taxi

[nova dome]

you're Canadian

I'm talking about America

[prime warren]

I mean if we wanna talk medical expenses those only went up since Obamacare

[nova dome]

where we do not have the social benefits you have

I'm saying medical expenses are bullshit

[modest knot]

We pay more taxes

for it

hello!

[nova dome]

and?

[feral oriole]

I went to the hospital once, 25 bucks for 1 night then 2 days free

[nova dome]

how does that fit in to what I said?

[feral oriole]

FeelsSwedenMan

[nova dome]

or what my point is?

[prime warren]

They’re only BS because the government got way too involved

[nova dome]

I'm saying you should pay less

your rich should pay more

nah

[prime warren]

There was a time when most jobs included medical benefits because they could

[modest knot]

no

[nova dome]

they're BS because the healthcare and big pharma really like price gouging insurance

[prime warren]

And it was advantageous for them to do so

Now they can do neither

[nova dome]

unemployment is p low

[alpine bobcat]

Griff, you know Obamacare also didn't work because of people battling against it so hard

[nova dome]

they could do it if they want

especially to try and get employees

they have the money

[prime warren]

They really don’t

[nova dome]

but they could

yet they don't

because it's not advantageous

[prime warren]

Walmart for example has a razor thin profit margin

[nova dome]

because there's no profit in it

[prime warren]

A lot of companies don’t have the extra capital

[nova dome]

walmart's gpm is 24.7%

[prime warren]

Again their profit margin after paying for everything is fairly razor thin

Just raising people’s hourly pay for example to $15 an hour would actually eat up their entire profit

[nova dome]

they make around 15 billion in profit

[feral oriole]

Wait, what is the minimum wage at Walmart?

[nova dome]

there are about 2.1 million people in the US alone

[alpine bobcat]

Depends on the state, Afro

[feral oriole]

I cant tell if 15 bucks was an actual real thing

Or not

[nova dome]

15,000,000,000 / 2,100,000 is $7k per person

if in just insurance

[alpine bobcat]

no way $15 is minimum wage in walmart. Unless it's a state like Washington

[feral oriole]

Is it a lot?

Or like a little?

[nova dome]

I lied

sorry

1.4mil in the us

[alpine bobcat]

That's a lot for most of the US, Afro

[feral oriole]

Jeez

[nova dome]

which is $10714

[kind cedar]

1.4mil people?

[nova dome]

so it's just not profitable

[kind cedar]

what

[nova dome]

yea

[alpine bobcat]

minimum wage is like $9 average probably?

[feral oriole]

Thats sort of low

[nova dome]

walmart employs 1.4million people in the US

[kind cedar]

what kind of people

like citizens

[feral oriole]

For my EU brain

[kind cedar]

oh employeees

[alpine bobcat]

lemme google

[nova dome]

avg is 14.03

for full time

[alpine bobcat]

Ah, even lower. The average minimum wage in the US is $7.25. I have a hard time believing Wal-Mart is dishing out much higher than the minimum wage

[feral oriole]

At 20 years old you get 15 bucks/hour at Mcdonalds over here and such

Thats insane

What the fuck

[alpine bobcat]

Fuck

hang on

that's federal

[nova dome]

average walmart associate makes around $11.75 an hour

[feral oriole]

Of course it probs evens out because of taxes

[nova dome]

20744 a year

[alpine bobcat]

well yeah, there are a lot of states doing federal minimum wage https://www.statista.com/statistics/238997/minimum-wage-by-us-state/

[nova dome]

below the 22000 poverty line

:x

[feral oriole]

Jesus christ

imagine working a full time job and be stuck in poverty

the fuck

[alpine bobcat]

Afro, Yes.

[kind cedar]

dont work for minimum wage then?

[alpine bobcat]

You're learning a little bit about the USA

[nova dome]

"just get more money"

[prime warren]

Reee my phone is almost dead

[nova dome]

about that

if you're working at walmart

[feral oriole]

Lowkey sort of not going to complain about my country and the cold ass weather anymore

[nova dome]

chances are you can't afford to demand more than minimum wage

[alpine bobcat]

and the phrase 'don't work for minimum wage' doesn't work for a lot of people

[nova dome]

because you are replaceable

when you work retail at least

managers will force that into you daily

[kind cedar]

dont be replaceable then

[alpine bobcat]

'well just go to school' - hope that's not next

[prime warren]

With job experience a lot of times you can move up

[nova dome]

job experience at walmart doesn't mean shit

[prime warren]

Sure it does

[nova dome]

"I stacked shelves for 2 years"

it's something

but not enough to demand high numbers

[prime warren]

Assuming you actually take advantage of it and get manager training and go for a manager position

[feral oriole]

^

[nova dome]

and then spend like 15 years at walmart

?

[feral oriole]

It works that way here

Like you can eventually work up to a good pay

[prime warren]

You don’t need to spend 15 years to hit a manager position

[nova dome]

the problem here

is that the american dream is dead

:^)

[prime warren]

I had an offer for manager training and a manager position within 3 months of working one job

[alpine bobcat]

Afro, i also believe in the private prison system being set places to keep people in poverty and keep them in prison. It's profit for them here. I highly suggest watching the Documentary 13. It was on Netflix previously

[prime warren]

Because I did my job

And I did it well

[nova dome]

you got lucky

[feral oriole]

Yeah, dont have Netflix because poor and have to support my Gym membership lmao

[modest knot]

How is the American dream dead?

[nova dome]

I know people working cash registers at a place they've been working at for ~16 years

and they can't afford to switch jobs

[prime warren]

If they’re still working at the cash register that’s on them tbh

[nova dome]

because they've gotten to where they've at

at their measly 20k a year

[alpine bobcat]

people get on probation... they are forced to pay a fuck ton of money while on probation.. if they can't make it? right back in jail. cycle repeats

it's a lot of money to be on probation

[modest knot]

if you have no passion and drive to pursue better then yes the American dream is dead

[nova dome]

by getting raises over those 16 years

[feral oriole]

Im literally mind blown by your systems

[modest knot]

if you want money handed to you

[nova dome]

passion?

they're like 50-60

[modest knot]

put the hammer and sickle beside your name

[nova dome]

what do they do?

do you just want them to rot?

[modest knot]

look where that got those countries

[alpine bobcat]

@nova dome I also recommend that documentary to you too if you haven't seen it. lemme googles it

[nova dome]

what countries?

you mean invaded by america

[prime warren]

There’s a certain level of disagreeableness and drive you need

[modest knot]

USSR

you understand what happened there

right?

[kind cedar]

i've been working for the same office for the past 5ish years, and in that time increased my salary by 65%

[prime warren]

@nova dome if they’re 50 or 60 in that position then they made their decisions and they’re reaping the consequences of that

[alpine bobcat]

@nova dome https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5895028/

[nova dome]

nah

[prime warren]

If you wait too long then you miss your opportunity

[nova dome]

you're completely ignoring extenuating circumstances

saying "everyone can move up" is kind of disingenuous

[feral oriole]

Maybe they just like stacking shelves at walmart and are happy in their positions?

[nova dome]

nah

but if you drop your job

then what

you move to a different company and you're paid less

[prime warren]

Don’t drop your job if you don’t have something lined up?

[nova dome]

because you haven't been there long enough

[feral oriole]

Got a guy who worked 25 years in the same position at my last job at a fast food restaurant who was genuinely happy about it

[nova dome]

and if you can't get something lined up?

not everyone can just line up jobs like candy

[leaden leaf]

then dont quit

[nova dome]

then you get stuck at walmart for 15 years

[feral oriole]

Isnt that sort of a bad cycle?

[nova dome]

making poverty wages

yeah

[kind cedar]

then try harder

[nova dome]

that's the average american cycle

[modest knot]

thats not how the world works

[kind cedar]

no one is stuck making poverty wages

[nova dome]

that's how america works

[prime warren]

I can tell you for certain there are higher paying jobs that aren’t Walmart that are in constant demand for workers

[nova dome]

you're in a very niche market

[prime warren]

They’re just not glamorous

[leaden leaf]

average lazy person cycle

[nova dome]

and you still only make 60k

I'd make 2x you doing web dev

which is less niche than your market

[modest knot]

lol

[prime warren]

Then go do it

[nova dome]

anyone can learn to do web dev

in much less time than it takes to skillfully do 3d design

[modest knot]

You are a kid who is in school

telling me

[prime warren]

If anyone can learn to do it then how can people be stuck in poverty wages?

[nova dome]

and you're a 3d designer only making 60k

[prime warren]

🤔

[modest knot]

how you can make more money and want taxes to be higher

[slender schooner]

🍿

[modest knot]

you have a hammer and sickle and a weeby ass picture

[leaden leaf]

you sound like you have an excuse for everything and just want to complain

[modest knot]

complete clown

[nova dome]

if you say so

[modest knot]

I know so

[nova dome]

it sounds to me like you aren't the ones trying hard enough

tbh

[modest knot]

you blame everyone else

[nova dome]

I'm a student in college because I have work lined up for me

[modest knot]

for all the problems in the world

[nova dome]

I'm doing comp sci because I care and I try

[modest knot]

and have the most generic left wing stance on shit

[nova dome]

I'm not blaming anyone

and I haven't blamed anyone

[modest knot]

lol

[nova dome]

I'm saying the american cycle is fucked

for everyone

[prime warren]

Again all I have to ask, is if web development is so easy and anyone can do it and it’s so lucrative then how are these people you know stuck working at Walmart at 50?

[nova dome]

not just the left

it's fucked for the right too

[slender schooner]

to be fair

[nova dome]

you're making this about sides

[alpine bobcat]

I apologize in advance... incoming wall of text....

[nova dome]

I'm talking about people

[prime warren]

Sounds like these people are stuck because they don’t have drive