im being harassed mods help
#off-topic
slender schooner
rich hemlock
🤔
mortal forum
?
slender schooner
im being bullied
ripe obsidian
tbh having cojo linking you kpop songs is way better than the weird shit he links me sometiems
vague copper
isn't any of your business
slender schooner
ya me and corejo have intimate DMs
rich hemlock
👀
👃🏻
👄
orchid hatch
You started it
orchid hatch
¯_(ツ)_/¯
distant thunder
You spammed it 40 times?
cedar comet
hmmm
vague copper
Nice bad shop
slender schooner
LOL
vague copper
LOL
mortal forum
lets just fill this channel full of Sera's thirst for Corejo
slender schooner
corejo is my dad
cedar comet
rich hemlock
then that's weird
mortal forum
vague copper
Yes
mighty wigeon
distant thunder
orchid hatch
mortal forum
slender schooner
mighty wigeon
༼ つ ◕◕ ༽つ
faint tartan
つ ◕◕ ༽つ RAMEN TAKE MY ENERGY ༼ つ ◕◕ ༽つ
つ ◕◕ ༽つ RAMEN TAKE MY ENERGY ༼ つ ◕◕ ༽つ
つ ◕◕ ༽つ RAMEN TAKE MY ENERGY ༼ つ ◕◕ ༽つ
slender schooner
tonight will be the night ramen
mortal forum
we're back at p3 dw
random summit
tacit jasper
Low blow
main trout
corejo can't get enough eminem
vague copper
You're lucky Im not just
listening to brockhampton
Some days all day
brockhampton
main trout
orchid hatch
orchid hatch
thats why im listening in, dont wanna repeat it myself 
mortal forum
@vague copper come listen
tacit jasper
why arent you ramen? @mortal forum
tacit jasper
fair
distant thunder
mortal forum
normal prawn
Gimme the server for that ghuuun
normal prawn
Send it to David to put on memehold
robust burrow
gotta get nitro
distant thunder
Private Servers are great. 
rich hemlock
wrong
mighty wigeon
it's not only on your private
cedar comet
:goonpartyhard:
stable sequoia
fuck, mna
man
they've pulled "their best developers" and put them on mobile games across all their IPs
some partnered with outside companies like netease, others not
this is why their games have been all over the place lately and seemingly running with skeleton crews
they've gone full retard
cedar comet
wyatt's reaction makes it seem like he had no idea what the other guy was going to say
also seems incredibly forced
big yikes
stable sequoia
the balls to stand in front of their fans and say they're looking for a new audience
they really don't give a shit about their customers anymore, and it's not just indifference
it's active disdain
they want a new different customer base
that has little overlap with their current one
rich hemlock
blizzard lul
normal prawn
Vote with your wallet
Also if they don't get Diablo 4 working or announced before this goes live
The review bombing will be real
dense notch
I still don't fully understand why they wouldn't say at the DI announcement "We're working on D4, but it's not a finished product so we're not ready to reveal it at this time. Soom though! ™ "
tropic stream
Thats why
dense notch
They already said they are
dense notch
in one of those stupid q/a things after the event, a Diablo guy said they were going to announce D4, but pulled it last minute because they didn't think it was ready enough for Blizzcon reveal
tropic stream
/shrug
"In terms of Blizzard's approach to mobile gaming, many of us over the last few years have shifted from playing primarily desktop to playing many hours on mobile, and we have many of our best developers now working on new mobile titles across all of our IPs. Some of them are with external partners, like Diablo: Immortal; many of them are being developed internally only, and we'll have information to share on those in the future. I will say also that we have more new products in development today at Blizzard than we've ever had in our history and our future is very bright."
Rest in pieces
robust burrow
Well
tacit jasper
Time to play some indies
robust burrow
Why care actually
tropic stream
More = better apparently
Member when a bliz game launch meant 100% quality
Also what person goes from pc to mobile for gaming what????
distant thunder
Hearthstone on tablet is actually pretty good, but... Yeah that's about it.
tropic stream
Yea because its a cardgame
mighty wigeon
plats vs zombies clone for starcraft
tropic stream
Hype
hallow forge
I'd be down for that tbh
low wind
@nova dome what’s up
nova dome
@bleak trail people might attack you for privilege if you ignore that you have it
Or if they're just stupid
Tiny voices though
prime warren
And that right there
You perpetuate the idea that as a white man I have more “privilege” and less problems
nova dome
If you ignore your privilege you're stupid too
prime warren
What privilege
nova dome
Google it
Here to argue
Not to teach
My assumption is that you know what you're talking about
feral oriole
Arent you born with a silver spoon automatically as a White straight male?
nova dome
I am
I shouldn't need to explain a basic concept
If you already know you don't have it
You should know what it means
prime warren
That’s part of debate and arguing
low wind
i don’t see what you’re disagreeing about tbh
nova dome
Privilege is your opportunity based on race or sexuality compared to the opportunity of people of other races or sexualities
prime warren
But if you’re not willing to define what you mean by “privilege” let’s move to another topic
nova dome
You have more opportunities open to you as a white dude than a black dude
prime warren
How about the demonizing of white men by the left and a great example of that is Don Lemon
nova dome
For example
Privilege is walking down the streets and seeing an old white woman not clutch her purse
Because you're white and "not scary"
karmic wasp
you may be born into a crackhead mother who got raped by a serial killer and end up in a ditch, but hey, you're a white male so check your privilege
feral oriole
As a 6'0 Male I can confirm that old women still clutch their purses
nova dome
You have a better chance of crawling out of that ditch if you're white
In America sneak
Anyway
nova dome
The fact that our government is completely filled with old white people
alpine bobcat
@prime warren , research unconscious biases. It's 100% a white privilege in 1st world countries. I'm a black male, and even I have some unconscious biases. It's just the way society shapes us. Walking down the street in the dark, most people are more willing to take the side walk with 3 white males than 3 black males. Now, think about the police. They're on edge from their job 24/7. Just a little more on edge around people of color. You can apply that to anywhere
tropic stream
Oh he is serious
prime warren
Of course unconscious biases exist
alpine bobcat
that's a white privilege. Would you not agree?
tropic stream
No
prime warren
But that’s not a “privilege”
feral oriole
Im pretty sure thats called Racism if the Police are extra on edge around black people
sage aurora
Its not a privilege
karmic wasp
im from the netherlands, we didnt have 200 years of systematic racism against black people here, things like that are pretty much nonexistent
tropic stream
@karmic wasp hey ik ook
prime warren
tropic stream
🙌
nova dome
How about the black dude that got shot and killed unarmed in his own apartment that had pictures of himself on the walls
heady aspen
ahahahaha, this is great.
normal prawn
Being extra aware around the race that is responsible for upwards of 70% of crime
tropic stream
If i walk in tbe dark i d rather not walk past any combination of 3 big guys
nova dome
Because the white police officer walked into the wrong apartment
prime warren
A privilege that actively hurts white people and the Asian minority
normal prawn
Sounds fine to me
tropic stream
More white ppl get shot by police
tropic stream
Than blacks
normal prawn
Mostly because white people don't shoot each other in masses, while on the other side...
prime warren
You have a higher risk of being shot and killed as a white male by the police
tropic stream
Media just exagerrates it
normal prawn
It's a whole different story.
nova dome
@tropic stream there are more white people so like lol
alpine bobcat
I think you misunderstand the phrase 'white privilege.' These privileges are what you're born into with no doing of your own because of society
tropic stream
Yes and blacks commit most of the crimes
feral oriole
I can still not walk in the dark behind a Woman because I am a big guy?
tropic stream
Statistics ppl
nova dome
Which crimes though
feral oriole
Where is my civil rights movement?
normal prawn
Armed crime
tropic stream
Why
normal prawn
Also they commit most of the crime on each other
sage aurora
Why is it creepy
nova dome
Because that's a stranger
tropic stream
So
nova dome
That's weird
tropic stream
He has no intent
prime warren
sage aurora
A stranger walking on a sidewalk behind a lady is creeph
feral oriole
^
tropic stream
Its sexism against men
feral oriole
Thats not called privilige though
tropic stream
If anything
feral oriole
Thats called common fucking sense, since who the fuck walks behind someone in the dark
alpine bobcat
alright, i'm gonna try to go else where. this isn't leading anywhere on either side
low wind
they’re 90% of your walk speed
karmic wasp
me, when i happen to go the same way
alpine bobcat
i'll probably come back bc i'm on adderall working
low wind
and you’re preparing for that 120% walk speed overtake
feral oriole
You better go to the other sidewalk or I will literally start Fortnite dancing
prime warren
I mean when I literally get called the biggest terrorist threat to the United States because I’m a white male by Don Lemon......
I don’t think I have privilege
feral oriole
Pretty sure I havent gained shit because I was born white tbh
Or because I am straight
normal prawn
And ur stupid if u take anything he says seriously
prime warren
Don Lemon called white males the biggest terror threat to the US on live broadcast @tropic stream
nova dome
Who is that
normal prawn
Ignore his existance
nova dome
No fox loves white ppl
prime warren
@normal prawn I don’t but it’s just another example of how white males feel increasingly attacked by the media
karmic wasp
@normal prawn by that logic we can dismiss all the arguments on the other side too because the people who hate lgbt/black/whatever people are idiots
low wind
feels bad when these privilege and racism problems are basically just america problems
eu is chillin
prime warren
Because you actually have thick skin
nova dome
EU really is
karmic wasp
eu has its own problems
feral oriole
Outside of the more populated areas we all gucci
normal prawn
Yes ur totally right the ppl that hate the groups u mention are so few and so irrelevant that they don't actually matter
karmic wasp
just not as much lgbt/black related
normal prawn
Especially since hating something is not a crime
low wind
yeh we got our own problems
normal prawn
And ur an idiot if u think hating something is a problem
U can hate whatever the fuck you want
tropic stream
Murdering cartoonists
normal prawn
Nobody cares about your feelings
tropic stream
Yup middle east is as good as the west
low wind
the problem is that ppl disagree over plain issues
low wind
eu badochas not na
low wind
i’m not talking the i feel my xyz
tropic stream
Don lemon sounds like a joke char name
nova dome
Is he really wrong?
sage aurora
Oh boy
tropic stream
Uhh
feral oriole
wew
normal prawn
Don lemon is a joke
tropic stream
Who commited the terrorist attacks
normal prawn
Guy literally thinks like a nazi
tropic stream
In last years
nova dome
Are most domestic terrorist attacks not caused by white dudes
Because I'm pretty sure they are
feral oriole
Pretty sure most terror attacks in my country is caused by people that arent born in my country
sage aurora
Same
low wind
what’s NA back to school stuff btw?
sage aurora
Glock
feral oriole
I think we have had 1 Major terrorist attack by a white native born person
sage aurora
?
alpine bobcat
America is a lot diff than the EU. Are you American, Weep?
low wind
xd
prime warren
In that case are most Latinos drugees or drug dealers? Since most drugs are brought in by the cartels
alpine bobcat
and Don Lemon has American shades over his eyes
low wind
don’t bully the strange kid for being strange
nova dome
Yes @alpine bobcat
low wind
he might pop off in 10 years
tropic stream
@low windmisspelled edgy
normal prawn
Nope that's dumb
sage aurora
Or pop you in 5 min
low wind
sounds like not my problem cya on news
nova dome
@prime warren how it that relevant
You're talking about cartels
I'm talking about white people
feral oriole
Isnt it the same principle?
prime warren
Cartels that are run by Latinos
nova dome
Cartels and Latinx people don't have a real connection
tropic stream
@nova dome what aboit women getting lower punishments for crimes than men
feral oriole
wat
nova dome
Besides country of origin
tropic stream
Women privilege?
prime warren
Lolololol
normal prawn
Drug dealing is not race specific
nova dome
Are you implying that all latinx are in cartels?
Or that all cartels are run by latinx?
normal prawn
U can be a drug dealer of any race
prime warren
I’m following your same logic
normal prawn
Doesn't make ur whole race drug dealers
prime warren
Clearly it was
tropic stream
U van be a tirrist of any race too
feral oriole
^
normal prawn
Yup
rich hemlock
the same way you're not implying that every white guy shoots up their school
normal prawn
Ofc u can
nova dome
He said white people are the most dangerous terrorist group in the us (apparently, I'm quoting you)
And then I said
alpine bobcat
Vast majority of drug cartels are not terrorism (with the rare of exceptions of Pablo Escobar). There are no political or religious agenda
nova dome
Did white people not commit most acts of domestic terrorism
prime warren
“X race has been the only one to do y crime therefor he is correct in saying that that race is the most dangerous”
alpine bobcat
Weep, you have to understand that in our country that answer is yes. In theirs that answer is no
normal prawn
We already agreed that the Don lemon statement was stupid
nova dome
@alpine bobcat he's American
alpine bobcat
ok then, nvm
prime warren
Therefor saying that “most of x is brought in by y race makes most of them z”
feral oriole
I would say basing an entire race depending on your own country is dumb as fuck in general
tropic stream
Arguing online is like jerking off a castrated dog. He wont thank you for it and all you get is wrist exercise
nova dome
You're trying to apply different logic to mine
feral oriole
And that you would rather base it on Worldwide terrorist attacks, which I am pretty sure if you count in stuff that happened before the 2000s then the white would lead
prime warren
On what? Domestic terrorism?
feral oriole
But after that Idk anymore
low wind
@prime warren that math don’t add up chief
nova dome
We could do it worldwide
prime warren
What are we defining domestic terrorism?
prime warren
And if you wanna go worldwide terrorism is overwhelmingly one sided
nova dome
I said domestic
prime warren
Clearly there’s an actual definition
nova dome
He said in America
feral oriole
But arguing over White Privilege since that is where this was going, is dumb as fuck if you only go by one country
nova dome
You're dodging
low wind
NA terrorism is just feelsbadman w/ a gun
prime warren
I’m just trying to define a baseline
tropic stream
You start claims @nova dome burden of proof and definition is on you
prime warren
It’s not dodging
normal prawn
Arguing something that doesn't actually exist is the real dumb shit
feral oriole
That as well
nova dome
I asked a question
normal prawn
White privelege is a myth
low wind
straight privilege 🤔
nova dome
I asked if most cases of American domestic terrorism are caused by white people
normal prawn
Straight privelege sounds dumb as shit too
rich hemlock
@low wind you don't know anything you're an arms warrior bongo cat
low wind
arms warrior is the far superior privilege
feral oriole
As far as America then Yeah white people lead the terrorism side
normal prawn
What's ur question again?
rich hemlock
cleave privilege smh
feral oriole
An April 2017 analysis prepared for Congress by the Government Accountability Office found that between September 12, 2001 and December 31, 2016, 73% of violent extremist incidents resulting in deaths were perpetrated by far right wing violent extremist groups, while 27% were perpetrated by radical Islamist violent extremists.[6]
nova dome
So
low wind
you fury warriors are up and coming feelsbadman shooters
feral oriole
Just as a clear answer to your question
nova dome
Is this domestic?
rich hemlock
shooting up the discord
feral oriole
It should be in only the US, yes
tropic stream
My grandma experienced white privilege in the gulags in 1950
nova dome
Domestic terrorism comes from citizens
rich hemlock
FeelsBadMan 🔫
nova dome
So yeet
feral oriole
These are only including Death
normal prawn
There is no privelege in the gulgag
nova dome
How many far right people are white
feral oriole
And not like hurt or anything
tropic stream
@normal prawn duh
normal prawn
The only privelege u have in gulag is death
low wind
@nova dome i don’t think you can get a solid number on it but say 47%
alpine bobcat
dude.... those were minorities back then Levko
normal prawn
@feral oriole
prime warren
More likely to die to Islamic extremists
feral oriole
They have across all incidents, but not just for that number
Gimme a sec
115 Right Wing incidents, 79 Deaths
63 Islam inspired incidents, 90 deaths
19 by Left wing ideologies, 7 deaths
normal prawn
Cuz I can imagine a lot of far right idiots vandalizing stores and being called terrorists
feral oriole
Can see if I can find an actual like Race number
low wind
i thought domestic terrorism was just terrorism not for political gains
prime warren
Didn’t seem to find anything related to race
feral oriole
The numbers I linked early only include cases with a death
rich hemlock
the left can't even kill correctly smh
nova dome
• 106 individuals were killed by far-right violent extremists in 62 separate incidents;
• 119 individuals were killed by radical Islamist violent extremists in 23 separate incidents;
• The number of people killed in a given year ranged from one to 49.
The left has a problem with killing
nova dome
62 incidents vs 23
normal prawn
Either they don't kill at all
feral oriole
What I recounted was from 2008
nova dome
Fun fact
feral oriole
my bad
normal prawn
Or start starving millions
prime warren
Like I said more likely to die to Islamic extremists
normal prawn
What
prime warren
Fun fact Nazis are a product of the left
nova dome
How?
sage aurora
Socialists
feral oriole
So if they are islamist or Right wing doesnt fucking matter in this case
prime warren
Hello state supremacy
nova dome
The name socialist means nothing without meaning behind it
bleak trail
Calling yourself a socialist doesnt make you one
low wind
pog let’s just move to eu and skip the bs
normal prawn
Ur saying isis is right wing?
bleak trail
I agree with weep for once
nova dome
State supremacy is not an inherently left trait
feral oriole
Since the discussion was about if White people commited more terrorism compared to the other races
nova dome
@normal prawn yes
nova dome
Incorrect
low wind
cmon bois let’s eu
rich hemlock
@low wind what did you get in the chest
normal prawn
Far right is idolizing the state
nova dome
Conservatism has less to do with the state
And advocates for smaller government
This is not left/right
low wind
@rich hemlock 380 questionable crit/haste clock with socket
nova dome
You confuse liberal for left and conservative for right
But that's just factually incorrect
feral oriole
I found a list that showed if they were imigrants or Natives to the country they commited the violence in
In the US
low wind
@rich hemlock 0.1% upgrade over a 395 clock but 1ilvl drop
rich hemlock
rip
feral oriole
But I doubt it matters now
low wind
@rich hemlock 1 azerite from how many weeks of m+
normal prawn
Maybe but u don't get many conservative leftists
And u don't get many liberal right wingers
nova dome
Doesn't mean anything
nova dome
Progressive and communist aren't related
feral oriole
Fun fact, 76% of the Islamist inspired terror attacks between 2008 and 2016 were foiled
Thats your fun fact of the day
rich hemlock
that's why he said "and or"
normal prawn
It's extremely hard to tell
prime warren
I mean government control of the markets wasn’t exactly right wing
nova dome
Yes it is
normal prawn
Because u can go from one to the other
low wind
what did you get from you m+ cache?
nova dome
Government regulation on monopoly was pushed by right and left
normal prawn
And u don't really have a way to tell when leftists are going too far
prime warren
🤦🏻♂️
nova dome
A true capitalist market would suck
rich hemlock
Monopoly is a cool game
nova dome
Anyone with brain cells knows this
feral oriole
Just googled White Terrorists, I think I am on a list
prime warren
Regulations on monopoly isn’t the same as literally controlling the market
nova dome
Nobody literally controls the market
normal prawn
Thank god
nova dome
People have the freedom to enter and exit the market as they will
normal prawn
Cuz we've seen how that goes
feral oriole
Im more wondering how this discussion went from LGBT Guilds, White Privilege and now Islam and Right wings
low wind
nova dome
@feral oriole because he's dodging
normal prawn
Cuz that's how it works
nova dome
And I'm following where he goes
normal prawn
Conversations move along
low wind
feral oriole
But I was more interested in the White privilege part 😦
normal prawn
Especially when ppl aren't very good
At staying on topic
Aka 99% of internet discussion
prime warren
The government of Nazi Germany mandated what was being produced, what it would sell for and what everyone was paid
rich hemlock
@low wind why :bignuts:
prime warren
That’s not free market
low wind
normal prawn
Although I gotta go read a bit on how the curan is right wing
nova dome
The government of Nazi Germany isn't left
normal prawn
Cuz that sounds odd to me
low wind
rich hemlock
Sry guy that's named Taur
low wind
normal prawn
Nazi is right wing mates
alpine bobcat
@nova dome i thoroughly enjoy watching an educated person debate these issues
low wind
prime warren
Based on what
nova dome
The government of Nazi Germany enacted slave labor??? Dae Confederates???
prime warren
The confederates? You mean democrats? Lul
nova dome
Trying to compare Nazi Germany to the modern left is laughable
feral oriole
Yeah, thinking a old lady clutching their purse during the night means White privilege isnt the smartest things I have heard
nova dome
Sure
alpine bobcat
i can't memorize anything anymore. too much alcohol
nova dome
If you don't count the massive party switch in the 1960s
Which wasn't even really a switch
low wind
they call this the slippery slope
normal prawn
Comparing anything we have today to nazi Germany is retarded and irresponsible
nova dome
People just settled more into what their issues were
By the way
Great job bringing up the Nazis
There's an internet law about that
low wind
nova dome
Godwin's?
wanton pine
I thought off topic was supposed to be memes
feral oriole
This is a meme
nova dome
Godwin's law is an Internet adage asserting that "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1";
normal prawn
Sometimes it's uneducated twats discussing shit they don't 100% understand
low wind
feral oriole
Yeah, I was more afraid of getting targeted because I discussed Nazis
normal prawn
Never heard of that law
feral oriole
Its his White privilege that made him uneducated tbh
alpine bobcat
i've definitely heard that one, there's also one that says you're only x amount of clicks away from porn... or something similar
low wind
low wind
normal prawn
Try to get to Hitler on wikipedia
low wind
rich hemlock
valkyr ban tauruz 😡
normal prawn
In more Than 5 clicks
feral oriole
The X amounts away from Porn is the best rule
normal prawn
U can't do it
feral oriole
Also that every wikipedia article goes to Nick cage
low wind
nova dome
Imagine trying so hard and then you have to resort to like
The fifth biggest massacre in human history
low wind
nova dome
I don't know
rich hemlock
every wikipedia article goes to philosophy if you keep pressing the first link in every page
nova dome
Napkin math in my head
low wind
feral oriole
I dont trust you @rich hemlock
low wind
rich hemlock
@feral oriole works in french
feral oriole
oh
low wind
nova dome
1-3 I think uhh
normal prawn
There's also a rule where everyone with anime avatars shouldbt be trusted
@wanton pine
low wind
rich hemlock
never tried in english but should be the same pages
feral oriole
I can agree with that
plucky vale
All white people are evil, my life for minorities
low wind
nova dome
Native Americans, Genghis Khan, ???
low wind
low wind
nova dome
Then holodomor then Holocaust
feral oriole
Pretty fucking sure Genghis khan is the first one
nova dome
Nah
normal prawn
Does comunism not count?
low wind
nova dome
Native American slaughter was a ton of people
normal prawn
As a mass genocide?
low wind
rich hemlock
@feral oriole as soon as you get to a country the first link is usually their language then you get to Language > smth > smth > maths > philosophy
nova dome
@normal prawn that's the holodomor
feral oriole
The fucking Khans was a ton of people
rich hemlock
@feral oriole or a chain like that
low wind
normal prawn
Didn't see
low wind
prime warren
@normal prawn no because clearly communism or socialism can’t have ever done anything wrong
low wind
prime warren
It’s just a fault of the implementation /s
low wind
normal prawn
It wasn't real comunism
low wind
normal prawn
Idiot!!!!
low wind
normal prawn
Haha
low wind
prime warren
Hey
nova dome
It wasn't
low wind
prime warren
Wasn’t stalin white?
low wind
nova dome
I don't like Stalin
low wind
nova dome
So nice meme
low wind
normal prawn
Well I think anyone that likes Stalin
low wind
nova dome
Tankies weird me out
normal prawn
Is a cause of worry
nova dome
But they're still valid
low wind
prime warren
In that case
low wind
normal prawn
You should let your appreciation for Stalin be heard
low wind
low wind
normal prawn
In a bar full of Ukrainian ppl
low wind
prime warren
I just find it ironic that the hammer and sickle isn’t recognized as some sort of symbol of atrocity
plucky vale
Can u stop autisti ly spamming emotes while ppl try to have a legitimate dialogue
low wind
nova dome
It is
low wind
feral oriole
So, after googling for a bit nobody can really agree on how many Native Americans even existed during the US colonization
plucky vale
Pls
low wind
nova dome
It's called the red scare
feral oriole
Its estimated from 8-145 million
low wind
normal prawn
It's really hard to tell
nova dome
I thought you were American
low wind
normal prawn
U can try to use the incas and the aztecs
low wind
normal prawn
For measuring reference
low wind
feral oriole
As for just pure "Murder" during colonization
low wind
feral oriole
Its actually not as high as some more modern genocides
prime warren
The red scare has nothing to do with modern interpretation of the symbol
feral oriole
Since most Indians died from Smallpox that Europeans brought over
low wind
prime warren
Cuz like apparently it’s ok to have that symbol now but not a swastika
low wind
feral oriole
Also Measles was a huge disease in the native population
low wind
prime warren
Not arguing for swastikas
low wind
prime warren
But it’s a little bit of a double standard there
low wind
normal prawn
Why are you interested in the native death toll?
low wind
normal prawn
What are you comparing it to?
plucky vale
Yeah europeans had built up a resistance to those diseases so they didnt know they even had them when they came to na
feral oriole
Meaning I highly fucking doubt that the Indian Genocides were more than the 5% That the Mongols literally fucking slaughtered of earths population
low wind
feral oriole
I was just lowkey triggered that he/she ranked Native Indian genocides higher than the holocausts and such
so went on a google streak
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normal prawn
Oh hmm
low wind
normal prawn
Ya
nova dome
@feral oriole I said napkin math
feral oriole
The problem is most of them died to diseases
nova dome
But if x-145million isn't higher than 17mil
nova dome
How many are alive
low wind
feral oriole
They estimated anywhere from 70-90% of the population died from various diseases that Europeans brought over
low wind
nova dome
How many were alive after the Spanish
low wind
normal prawn
The Spanish didn't leave much
prime warren
By the way I’ll still be your friend if you want @nova dome 😉
normal prawn
If the literature is correct
nova dome
I'm not friends with casuals
low wind
normal prawn
But ya I'm sure they have numbers
nova dome
Git gud
prime warren
Oofies
nova dome
B)
low wind
nova dome
If you don't run normal
feral oriole
It has been estimated that the Spanish colonization killed approx 200-250k Indians
nova dome
You're a casual
low wind
feral oriole
SORRY
feral oriole
READ THE WRONG ONE
low wind
low wind
why are these on the lock discord
normal prawn
U can scale the landmass
feral oriole
Americas*
nova dome
It was a lot more than that
feral oriole
So yeah, Im pretty sure the 5% of world population that the mongols slaughtered rank above it
prime warren
I mean let’s be honest
nova dome
Disease that would only have hit the Americas cus of the Spanish though
prime warren
No race is sacred
feral oriole
That does not count into the Genocide count
nova dome
It does
feral oriole
What the fuck my dude, it literally does not count in
nova dome
It does tho
feral oriole
Its not considered a genocide when its literally just disease that spread
plucky vale
Why does it count
feral oriole
Black death is my favorite genocide my dude
nova dome
If I give you aids and you die
I killed your
If I infected your entire family with aids
feral oriole
If I accidently transfer a Cough onto my friend and he dies thats not considered a murder
normal prawn
Hahahahaah
nova dome
Would you blame me
plucky vale
Ok but thats not really how it worka
normal prawn
The mental gymnastics
nova dome
But it is
prime warren
By definition it doesn’t
feral oriole
You literally cant fucking do that
prime warren
The definition doesn’t allow you to
nova dome
Because they're dead
normal prawn
Oh shit
nova dome
And they wouldn't be dead
prime warren
It wasn’t intentional
feral oriole
Thats not how this works lmao
plucky vale
Well if i give one person a disease and then he gi es it to his whole family and then that family gives it to the whole village
nova dome
Not from smallpox
feral oriole
Literally goes by the definition of Genocide to prove your point
my man
what the fuck
prime warren
Annnnnnnddddddd this is why I asked you earlier what definition you were going by in each point
tropic stream
"Reeee i dislike the actual definition ur wrong"
feral oriole
Fucking Genocide
normal prawn
I don't wanna be a dick
prime warren
Because it is actually important to define the baseline
feral oriole
We literally said Genocide since the start
nova dome
(a) Killing members of the group;(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group```intentional killing bois
feral oriole
Then yeah, if the documented total population of the natives was more documented then sure
low wind
intent bois
nova dome
Last I checked they specifically gave them smallpox infected blankets
feral oriole
"DELIBERATELY"
nova dome
So yes
feral oriole
But they have counted that into the death total
nova dome
Apparently not
low wind
did they give blankets to everyone
feral oriole
When it comes to the spanish colonization
low wind
did they intent for it to spread like that
nova dome
Oh now it's 1 by 1
sage aurora
So to summarize; never make a guild or hell will break lose
prime warren
There’s a difference between the deliberate spread and accidental spread
bleak trail
But in California it's Only a misdemeanor to knowingly infect someone with a std
prime warren
Oof
bleak trail
That doesnt sound like genoccide
prime warren
Let’s not bring up my home state
nova dome
It was deliberate my dude
feral oriole
The Natives were also at war with other Natives
prime warren
They’ll jail you for serving plastic straws
feral oriole
do we count that into the genocide?
Since we are literally coming up with our own definitions here
nova dome
Who gave them smallpox?
low wind
blankets
wanton pine
Holy shit this is still going
nova dome
I gave the definition
low wind
fucking blankets omg
feral oriole
The European came over and during the war it spread, just like death tends to spread disease my dude
There is a reason we burn bodies during big epidemics
nova dome
But they gave them disease on purpose
Isn't that intent?
They intended to wipe them all out
feral oriole
But that didnt account for the entire population of the natives
prime warren
I’m pretty sure at first it wasn’t on purpose
alpine bobcat
in school I was taught they gave them blankets with disease on purpose to spread. if true, that counts
feral oriole
They did
normal prawn
Put the maybe in there just in case u get disproven again
nova dome
Just trying to see how pedantic I can be
nova dome
It does count
feral oriole
It does count, but it has already been counted into the Spanish colonization
alpine bobcat
how does it not count for that amount if that was their intent? if their intent was to spread the disease
normal prawn
Yikes
bleak trail
Im not stupid I was trolling to see how stupid you are exs dee
feral oriole
400,000 to 200 in a few decades.
normal prawn
99999iq
nova dome
Yes it took decades for smallpox to kill
feral oriole
And yes, I am going off the number of the Spanish since that was the only documented
bleak trail
(I'm not calling anyone stupid plz no kill)
low wind
the blankets did nothing wrong
nova dome
It definitely wasn't an extremely infectious disease
feral oriole
sorry, gonna count in those 200 people I forgot
plucky vale
Fact is we cant and dont know the intention of what someone did 500 years ago
feral oriole
Guys, its 400k instead of 390800
plucky vale
Whether it was on purpose or not
plucky vale
So no point in arguing it
feral oriole
The intent doesnt matter when its already counter into the numbers
bleak trail
I mean is it a genocide if I blow up this work bathroom and people have to walk in and smell it?
normal prawn
Since I'm on my phone what was the population in India in, 1600?
nova dome
Historians often draw on broader definitions such as Lemkin's, which sees colonialist violence against indigenous peoples as inherently genocidal. For example, in the case of the colonization of the Americas, where 90% of the indigenous people of the Americas were wiped out in 500 years of European colonization, it can be debatable whether genocide occurs when disease is considered the main cause of population decline as not all instances of the introduction of disease was intentional.
feral oriole
THEY LITERALLY SAY THAT IN THAT
Since they cant know for sure if it was intent
all we can go by are the documented numbers
of population fall
and calculate based on that
prime warren
There is very clear evidence that a lot of the original outbreaks were not on purpose
alpine bobcat
i'm confused what you mean, Afro. you're saying it shouldn't count because it spread BEYOND what they wanted it to? So they wanted to kill a small amount, but whooopsies here's a fuck ton, let's not count it? Genuine question, trying to understand what happened/your thinking
normal prawn
We are reaching Don lemon levels of disproving your own ponta
bleak trail
I regret this conversation
feral oriole
The disease is already counted into the number that I mentioned
nova dome
Some scholars argue that intent of genocide is not necessary, since genocide may be the cumulative result of minor conflicts in which settlers, or colonial or state agents, perpetrate violence against minority groups. Others argue that the dire consequences of European diseases among many New World populations were exacerbated by different forms of genocidal violence, and that intentional and unintentional deaths cannot easily be separated. Some scholars regard the colonization of the Americas as genocide, since they argue it was largely achieved through systematically exploiting, removing and destroying specific ethnic groups, even when most deaths were caused by disease and not direct violence from colonizers. In this view, the concept of "manifest destiny" in the westward expansion from the eastern United States can be seen as contributing to genocide. From historical researchers Pereira & Seabrook, Global Parasites: "It still is common practice for [the descendants of colonizers] to blame disease alone for the decimation of Native populations, thus exonerating themselves [and lineage] of any moral blame.
feral oriole
We cant tell if it was intent or not
therefore we cant know about it except speculate
A few blankets does not equal the entire Americas getting infected
modest knot
if you are white you are bad btw guys be guilty and shut up ok!
alpine bobcat
Ok, i thought we said it was intent in the beginning. I guess i'm lost
plucky vale
some experts say white people are evil
some experts dont
modest knot
white ciss scum
feral oriole
Yeah, we cant decide if its intent or not
plucky vale
wow!
feral oriole
So we can only go by the population drop
And the documented numbers of the colonizers
nova dome
By the way
prime warren
I mean common sense can certainly tell you not all of it was on purpose
feral oriole
Which is fucking rough to estimate
nova dome
Las Casas wrote that the indigenous population on the Spanish colony of Hispaniola had been reduced from 400,000 to 200 in a few decades
Hispaniola is AN ISLAND
alpine bobcat
well, if you intend to kill 10 but end up killing 1,000. that shouldn't matter to me. that should still count. If that's the scenario
feral oriole
We have to scale it up
nova dome
No we don't
feral oriole
That was the only thing they mentioned when it came to concrete numbers
bleak trail
But a white man did it, so it was intentional and out to murder womyn and minorities get it right
👀
feral oriole
Thats literally the only way to calculate something similar to this, since it was so long ago and based on lore and numbers that have gotten lost
I mean for fuck sake, the estimated population range from 8 mil to 140 mil
Since we cant find out concrete numbers from each one
nova dome
According to Russell Thornton, estimates of the pre-Columbian population of California was at least 310,000, and perhaps as much as 705,000. By 1849, due to Spanish and Mexican colonization and epidemics this number had decreased to 100,000. But from 1849 and up until 1890 the Indigenous population of California had fallen below 20,000, primarily because of the killings.
feral oriole
we have to take the sample we have and scale it up
nova dome
That's not a sample
feral oriole
my man
feral oriole
You do realize the colonization involved the entire Americans and not just NA, right?
And that natives existed in south America during that time?
alpine bobcat
what are you reading, weep? A people's history?
nova dome
I said native American genocide
feral oriole
And can be counted into the Native slaying
nova dome
@alpine bobcat wikipedia LMFAO
alpine bobcat
ah
feral oriole
If we just go by American genocide then its gonna fall off even harder
Since we go by literally half of it all
alpine bobcat
sounds like a people's history of the US from what I remember lol
nova dome
Dunno
bleak trail
I mean I dunno how many have you genocides today afro
feral oriole
I am literally handing you more numbers
nova dome
If you have good books I'd love to read
feral oriole
Than if we just went by NA
nova dome
You're not handing me numbers
Because you just said you don't know
So how do you know?
feral oriole
I was comparing it to the genocide of the Mongols, since the 5% of the world population they wiped out rank higher than the Native American population
nova dome
I asked you what the population was
alpine bobcat
@nova dome I read this 15 years ago for high school reading. so can't exactly remember how data driven it is. But it definitely impacted me. Glad I read it at a young age https://www.amazon.com/Peoples-History-United-States/dp/0060838655
nova dome
Thank you! @alpine bobcat