alright, thanks guys 👍
#protection
fresh solstice
primal saddle
Yea I know this but it's just an observation of keys I've been in
strong forum
Yeah okay
primal saddle
Fuckin makes me laugh
honest plinth
hmmm you need brm for 15-20? 🙂
sweet summit
makes a bit more sense then
sweet summit
2iq gamer here AMA
primal saddle
Why do you hate prot?
sweet summit
i dont 🤔
honest plinth
wut
sweet summit
i dont get it
primal saddle
No I meant as a 2iq player?
strong forum
Found the 2iq player
sweet summit
no can you explain
strong forum
Since you outed yourself as 2iq player
sweet summit
mhm?
primal saddle
^^
strong forum
And he's asking those
sweet summit
no im lost i dont get it
strong forum
As a yoke
primal saddle
Man you really must be a 2iq prot hater
honest plinth
primal saddle
strong forum
That's an association joke
sweet summit
🤡 <- me
honest plinth
strong forum
To answer the joke.
People have heard a few months back prot being shit on by their favourite streamer saying, that prot is dead spec and garbage
Ever since then they didn't update their brain
And it's now influenced the public perception until prolly 9.1
sweet summit
aye, thats where we come swooping in and breaking the meta
honest plinth
execute is so cute
brittle owl
the basic
sick sentinel
normally i was rocking vita and scale
brittle owl
that's still a good combo
sick sentinel
cool, I was wondering if I had to switch to LPS cause 130ilvl > 115ilvl
brittle owl
you use lps to cover SB downtime if the content demands it
if you can survive the downtime with kiting/eating shit to the face, it's redundant
sick sentinel
ah yeah that makes sense
cosmic canyon
They will remove Thunderstuck for SL right? or only keep it as pvp. No way to use it in pve, right?
gusty magnet
Do we pop ignore pain going into the fight, mid fight or near death. Or keep it on cd
sick sentinel
did our gem slots change to anything other than haste (already have the 2 str gems)
strong forum
Nop
sick sentinel
kk ty
proven breach
It seems the mechgon cycle trinket hits hard
sick sentinel
with how powerful STR is atm, which of these would you use?
modern brook
vita probably
whats ur 2nd trinket?
IP doesnt have a CD
@sweet summit ignoring intensifies
jagged pier
I would go vita haste is also really strong
sweet summit
id take both
sick sentinel
130 scale
chilly brook
Lots of things aren't
sick sentinel
kk just making sure it wasn't me
sweet summit
ye its not updated for prepatch yet
sick sentinel
I usually just assume it's user error lol thanks guys
+ 👁️ =
sweet summit
languid mason
hey guys
sweet summit
hello
woven trellis
IP <heal< isnt touched by necrotic right?
chilly brook
IP is affected by necrotic afaik
woven trellis
ok
thats sad
i was considering using Never Surrender for this week
but well
maybe its still a good idea for this week actually
chilly brook
Dont touch NS
bitter sleet
Now that we have execute available to use ... are we actually using it?
crimson mulch
taunt every melee add over to your corner and dodge the heavy slashes
and point them at the wall / along the wall so your group doesn't get hit
inland mesa
^
brittle owl
stormbold/aoe stun/fear is enough to stop every cast
crimson mulch
you do need an occasional stop from group members if they dont clump up their casts together
if you do that strat
surreal mesa
is leveling as prot ok?
brittle owl
yes
surreal mesa
SPamming dungeons quick or questing better?
grand drum
questing probably
topaz ember
You going to want to quest anyways if you want to complete the zones
surreal mesa
So better to run through BFA to clear zones or one of the timeline expansions
strong forum
Draenor seems to be the fastest
brittle owl
draenor is also the lamest
surreal mesa
Have time, dont have money
strong forum
Have money, don't have time
gaunt dawn
Have neither 😦
strong forum
F
torn gulch
leveling is so fast anyway
you can finish a char in a day max 2 days
plus event is coming with 100 ilvl gear
so you can level this weekend and get gear for SL next week
strong forum
Event is next week
torn gulch
no
next week
so if you want to make a char for SL now is the time
you're level 50 by monday
at the latest
then you jump in the event
strong forum
I'll just get boosted from my friends through 20s
Ez
Did 3 keys and got like 5 pieces, don't even have cloak... And I don't want to...
torn gulch
do you even need that gear from 20's tho
strong forum
Well it's 120ilvl
That's 20ilvl more than Event gear
Gearing up affli rn cuz it's close to legion playstyle which is 👌
You can actually deal dmg in aoe now
torn gulch
bfa affliction was "something special"
strong forum
Bfa was the worst affli has ever been, oh yeah let's make a dotspec, whose dots do nothing unless you stack fucking 5 UAs on 1 target paired with dark glare (the worst CD in the game)
Absolutely horrid.
brittle owl
yo affl be pumping now in prepatch doe
mental scarab
Whaat hows affli now in playstyle?! 🤭 liked the legion version of it
steep bone
you're level 50 by monday
@torn gulch you mean youre 50 in less than 10h played
honest plinth
Affli is fotm btw
strong forum
Instead of seed of destruction you spam malefic rupture
So you got now pseudo legion affli
strong forum
It's fakin great m8
The good spec finally playable again
But prolly still dead for pvp
honest plinth
Not dead for pvp in pre patch. Sp +affli is goood
steep wraith
UA can't really afford to be dispelled anymore. Aff is pretty good yeag
mental scarab
Oh then Im gonna fix my lock 🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳
sweet summit
Ye a good afflock with destroy
woeful stirrup
guys i ahve a stupid question: When do you use Shield Block ? Do you use PS and DS on cd?
sweet summit
Keep up shieldblock as long as youre taking blockable damage
Demo shout on cd ye
Whats ps
woeful stirrup
i tought this is prio number 1 lol
sweet summit
No, SB is
grand drum
Shield block is no. 1
sweet summit
Not the first, and not the last one to think that. Dont worry
sharp herald
you must go memorize what abilities are blockable and which ones arent
i'm sure there's a google doc out there
woeful stirrup
ty anyways do you think warri will be getting better
sweet summit
sweet summit
Solid, but not the best
woeful stirrup
maybe later on in the expansion he gets tronger when he can scale with gear lets see ^^
sweet summit
perhaps
doesnt matter for 99% of players tho. tank balance is great and they're all pretty close
defensively at least
woeful stirrup
ty dude
uneven mason
Aesthetically though Prot is S tier A+ #1
literally only tank that looks & sounds like a tank
uneven mason
Paladin sounds like a set of wind chimes
sorry but they whistle and ding and tinkle
they don't SLAM
and yell
they're bells that have an ability that goes "woosh"
Everything we do sounds like your actually hitting something and making an impact
Warriors are Manowar, Paladins are Justin Beiber
uneven mason
"squeak"
brittle owl
B-B-B-BONG
brittle owl
WHOSH BANG
uneven mason
its like a dumpster lid closing bang
brittle owl
that's a bick smack
uneven mason
not a "I just hit someone with a truck door"
uneven mason
They're an episode of 1960s batman soundboard
sweet summit
he's got u now
uneven mason
I know right, he isn't wrong....except about paladins having any sort of relationship to warriors.
"Shield bros"
brittle owl
you're objectively wrong and a doodoo head 😠
uneven mason
more like 🧱 🚪 and "kickstand tinkle pinks"
brittle owl
sowing dissent between shield bros
modern brook
honestly this is the most well defended discussion I've read here in a while
Ikarikaze is right, but i also agree that he's a doodoohead
brittle owl
shut up weeb
sweet summit
wth
strong forum
modern brook
I was playing both sides so i always came out on top
But now i realize i always came out on bottom T-T
sweet summit
😉
strong forum
Always knew Bull was a bottom
still pagoda
We knew it well before this statement...
uneven mason
power bottom tho
modern brook
thanks ikari
paper granite
is prot any good for leveling?
sweet summit
its good for fast dungeon queues
paper granite
ye but who does dungeons anyway
sweet summit
idk 🤷♀️
uneven mason
True story, can solo most leveling dungeons as prot
dusky canopy
So SB is the main mitigation hey.. I guess I learned something today.
I usually maintain IP and always have atleast one SB on CD against melee packs/bosses. Or IP, SB + SR on heavy caster pulls
strong forum
Prot is pretty good for leveling all around
modern brook
So SB is the main mitigation hey.. I guess I learned something today.
I usually maintain IP and always have atleast one SB on CD against melee packs/bosses. Or IP, SB + SR on heavy caster pulls
@dusky canopy IDK if this is a question but yah. SB is better mitigation than IP and should be your priority in 90% of situations
the situations u prio it less being the ones where it does nothing, for obvious reasons
sweet summit
it still gives SS damage 💢
modern brook
yah thats why i changed ignore to prio less
strong forum
look what i found
uneven mason
TFW the hunter pulls an extra pack and you miss your key by 1/94700th of your timer
strong forum
Literal demon affixes
sweet summit
yo u clapped that key
modern brook
I spent a solid 3 minutes trying to get ur fraction
then im like
Oh yeah 1000 wouldnt reduce upwards.
smh
sweet summit
what
modern brook
19/1000 !=1/94700 and it took me 3 minutes to come up with that.
Oh of the timer
Hang on
uneven mason
Nom wasn't that back when critters could trigger bolster as well?
grand drum
I dont think i timed a single 10 during infested lol
honest plinth
sweet summit
not sure, dont think so
last mason
whatever is most comfortable to you
uneven mason
f
toxic wadi
wow, incidentally I have it binded like that
sick sentinel
Scroll wheel up is Ignore Pain, down is Shield Block.
last mason
sb is E for me, 3 is ip
sweet summit
IP is E and SB is alt+4
grand drum
shift 1 for sb, r for IP
fringe marten
I used to use a great WA for tracking peoples interrupts and specific external CD's called 'Tehr's Raid CD's' but it's long out dated. Most people using something similar have gone to Zen's cooldowns WA?
fringe marten
Yeah was looking at the front ends for it, and nnoggie had one. Is nnoggies configurable like Tehr's was?
strong forum
ye
fringe marten
K, will fire up wow and give it a shot. (I don't use custom ui's so I can't get the popular stuff made for elvui)
strong forum
elvui has nothing to do with weakauras
fringe marten
Right; but a lot of popular addons for tracking various stuff uses Elvui as a backbone.
strong forum
🤔
fringe marten
I figured that zen had become the more popular one but I just wanted to pop in here to confirm that it is what most folks have moved to.
last mason
i still cant get zen to work
sweet summit
you need libgroupinspect
strong forum
the tutorial is on the wago
@strong forum
you have to follow the steps
for it to work
trim bay
What spec is everyone running for m+? Or is there not really one go to spec now days
strong forum
prot is i think the best spec rn
uneven mason
You can be flexible
strong forum
if thats what youre asking
honest plinth
nah hes asking for talents for sure
uneven mason
most of us run something similar to whats up there.
IDK, with a name like that I can't take for granted he can even read
fringe marten
Force Multiplier now more desirable than quick nav? I know force mult was the 'go to' but I think most of the competitive warriors were using quick nav stil.
strong forum
we didnt use quick nav since force mult came out in 8.2
vocal skiff
Is anyone having trouble with necrotic weak auras?
fringe marten
Most top M+ and raid tanks were still using quick nav that I'd notice.
vocal skiff
The one I had simply doesn't seem to work anymore
I picked up another, and it also doesn't load for some reason
vocal skiff
I know, but I like having it on my face. It's not needed, but I have always used it
Just asking if anyone has been on that situation and not having the WA load
strong forum
Most top M+ and raid tanks were still using quick nav that I'd notice.
@fringe marten most are using vers nav since s4
offensively and for overall use, you run force mult because of its high uptime on 28 str + secondary
the downside of quick nav is its not high uptime on high haste, its staggered
fringe marten
Yeah as gear was getting capped out and people were able to customize their corruptions...everyone was versa stacking for a while ( I did the same on enchants/etc..but I still kept quick nav)
strong forum
idk, nobody used quicknav since force mult came out
nobody that was properly informed
fringe marten
and yeah when I did use force mult it had great uptime (of it's full potency..where as quick nav wasn't at full potency nearly as much)
Aside from that; for the zentracker is there more to set up other than importing both zen, and then the front end you want to use?
strong forum
up to you, but generally not no
cosmic canyon
The versatility nav or whatever its name was was worth stacking in s4. But you're right, quick nav hasn't been used.
With the vers modifiers that is
last mason
is the tank supposed to just tank the adds and hit the boss when adds are dead on siege first boss
civic rover
thats what i do
you don't gotta tank the adds next to the boss if you aren't comfortable with the groups capabilities but just don't tank them out in east guam
inland mesa
Tank on boss, interrupt all slams
last mason
east guam lmfao i havent heard that one
fringe marten
Is there a way to change the text size and bar size for Nnogga's Zentracker interrupt front end?
(without editing all basic UI font size)
fringe marten
NM think I got it..just didn't look at all the options for it.
Damn I'm bad at literacy~
solar crown
Thoughts on naowhs tank summary? I feel he summed it up pretty nicely
smoky wave
What's the tl;Dw on that, struggling to get time for it
solar crown
For warriors he brought up the correct points on why warriors were so good in bfa, how the talent tree has changed and how it impacts gameplay
But still warriors are king if damage is blockable
It was a very worth watching, the guy knows what hes talking about
smoky wave
Great, ta. Yeah, a lot of garbage about but he seems to have a pretty sensible take on this from what I've heard. As long as it isn't as frustrating to play as it was start of bfa I'm good.
solar crown
He doesnt really compare classes to each other that much, which is good. Im so tired of tier-lists where 1 class has to be trash and 1 has to be superduperOP
maiden ravine
All the tanks are functional right now. 4 of them just need some more damage or threat
solar crown
Yes :)
willow agate
Hopped back on warrior after a bit, saw Devastator as recommended but not having Devastate as filler feels weird. Feels like i'm missing a button to hit at time or slows it down.. maybe I was using it too much to begin with.
true obsidian
This is a very silly subjective question I know however, how good is ignore pain in relation to Shield Block in terms of mitigation?
cosmic canyon
60 to 100% vanguard helps with phys to some extent though, unless they rebalanced around the new value
strong forum
Not insanely actually
The armor has been increased to make up for the loss of insane mainstat from azerite
For alot of things
obsidian cairn
Not looking at the pins for this
I have looked at wowhead and icy for talents and the high io players I have got too much conflicting info.
War machine or Punish
Booming or Dragon
Never or Impending or Indomitable
Into or UNstop - Or ravager
Anger or Bolster
strong forum
Punish/devastator
Booming/dr
Indom
Ravager
Bolster
At the "/" you can play whatever you prefer they're both good
gusty magnet
Let’s be honest with ourselves guys. We are gonna be ass as a whole. They don’t wanna do anything to boost us. We are gonna be a bottom pick
sweet summit
what
onyx vessel
i mean booming by itself 
dragons roar pumps
i like the legion days when the 15 row was charge options
toxic wadi
Should I never use whirlwind?
Revenge costs less rage and does more damage. So the only benefit I see of whirlwind is if enemies are behind you, cause revenge only hits enemies in front.
storm crater
gusty magnet
booming or dragon roar?
still pagoda
i use both from time to time\
no need to dedicate yourself to one
it's a prepatch after all
honest plinth
dr is good for good pulls in terms of aoe threat
muted wedge
Boomer voice lines up with ravager for some Burst dmg every 45 seconds,i always run that in lower keys where less sb uptime doesnt hurt much
And i can run am for more avatars
honest plinth
oh you think bv damage> dr damage kekw
open monolith
boomer voice won't line up with Ravager anymore with thunderlord leggo D:
strong forum
pairing bv + ravager is also omega rage overload
tbh
which is another issue in itself
strong forum
well
TC is 5sec cd
Demo is 45sec CD
- natural downtime
demo will be ready every 20ish seconds
half acorn
That's really good. If again 3+targets is maintained
strong forum
it is
modern brook
if ur pulling 1-2 targets ur dps will like a word w/ u tbh
modern brook
im saying bro
woven trellis
are the essence taken out next wednesday?
sweet summit
is SL launch next wednesday?
elder bone
SL prepatch is nov 10, release is 23 and 24
woven trellis
so essence still usable until 24?
sweet summit
yes
strong forum
Essences will always work outside of the shadowlands itself
As long as you equip the neck
The neck deactivates when you enter the shadowlands
floral sphinx
so are tanks looking balance for M+ in shadowlands or is there a few tanks that stands out?
elder bone
most ppl are probably gonna run pally,dk, and vdh bc of the numerous ranking videos
floral sphinx
how about survivability?
sweet summit
very close
floral sphinx
thats what i like to hear
sand condor
quick question
am i doing somethiung wrong
im the latter of the two
this was on raden
and one of my healers is screaming at me
that i need to press IP more
strong forum
Eh depends
You did use your rage more offensively
Rather than defensively
Which is fine
strong forum
Casting 12 vs 21 ips isn't gonna change shit
You did good dps, and took less dmg than your cotank
So idk what this healers problem is other than him giving you shit advice
sand condor
because the other tank "didn;t die"
strong forum
You took a bit more ehrps, meaning you needed slightly more healing
But dying has so many factors more
Than just "use ignore pain"
If you're dying due to decaying strike
Ignore pain isn't gonna help you
The better thing to do there is don't use shieldblock before the mechanic
So the boss hits you harder so you drop down quicker
if you are to get a full HP decaying strike, it's upon you to use shieldwall and play defensively as fuck, and yell at your healers cuz you're gonna take a fuck load of dmg
It's not just a thing of "yo you didn't press IP"
Omg. Ofc your healers are gonna say you're taking more dmg, if your cotank is running full on turtle trinkets both Maut and LPS
And null barrier, which you should play too but didnt
And it's on heroic too, geezus...
@sand condor you died to shit healers
You had the decaying wound debuff, and didn't receive a direct heal for like 6 seconds
But I guess literally everybody took boatloads of damage given your shamans have 100 and 99 healing log
Y-you still there? @sand condor
strong forum
you shouldnt use it
sand condor
i haven't played since Dazar, other than very casually in the tier after
strong forum
thats not whats to be taken away from what ive said
what im saying is, youre playing a somewhat proper build and your cotank is going full turtle
you pressed 50 revenges and several executes pushing more dps, he pressed 9 more ignore pains and only 13 revenges and 1 execute, leading me to believe he is wasting alot of rage ontop of using way too many defensive trinkets
sand condor
yeah i just wanted to be sure that what I'm doing isn;t just completely retarded and I'm the actual issue
I'm not the mythic raider i once was
strong forum
na, you just didnt get healed, thats why you died
sand condor
but i don;t like a good friend getting mad at me while im not doing anythign wrong
ah well I'l get into a decent raiding guild for shadowlands again
so i dont get yelled at by my friends
strong forum
getting seriously yelled at in heroic raiding is special to begin with
tbh
if anything you shouldve been laughed at, at best
but not yelled at
sweet summit
BoM
toxic wadi
Which talents should I use for maximal damage output?
sweet summit
m+ or raid
toxic wadi
m+
sweet summit
devastator, DR, Ravager, AM
onyx vessel
i like when ravager is better in both
modern brook
that i need to press IP more
@sand condor I'm late to this but with very few exceptions if someone is complaining you're not using ip enough they a) dont understand this spec and b) they're more than likely the cause of your death
sand condor
A bit of both :p
sand condor
I'm using the wheel form mekagon and the lingering shell
but goddamnit that's annoying
torn gulch
i might be wrong but since prepatch came i've never had indomidable healing above ignore pain
my main healing in dungeons and raids was ignore pain in between 30 and 45% and then indomidable
looking at the other prot warrior in those logs he is at 31.34% which is ok
toxic wadi
is heavy repurcussions good for higher shield block uptime?
toxic wadi
oh ok
torn gulch
and by high haste i mean high haste
probably 30%+
if i am not mistaken
might work as we advance in the xpac
open monolith
Is imminent victory or whatever it's called overlooked?
A 30% heal on a 30 sec CD with resets seems.... Good. Or does it only reset if you get killing blow?
sweet summit
yeah, its like VR. you need the killing blow for it to reset the CD
open monolith
Ohhhh ok
open monolith
Well... Not if you can't get a killing blow
It's only 1% healing per sec
Indom is more than that on average
Though .. you do probably get a few killing blows every pull or so...
Hmmmmm
sweet summit
yeah its more for when you need a big heal every ~30 sec
open monolith
What if it was changed to a 15% heal, but reset anytime something died that you were in combat with?
sweet summit
too OP
open monolith
That'd probably still be super busted
grand drum
Healing tank 
gusty magnet
Hypothetically speaking: gun to your head, you have to pick a main for the whole xpac. What are you taking
strong forum
Allen is a troll fishing with baits, clear as day, buys too much into memes and perception.
Atleast in prot channel
silk portal
Hey all, I'm currently looking at Prot Warrior as a potential class for me to play in Shadowlands and I've decided to give it a whirl on the prepatch to get a 'feel' for it, though it's not exactly what it'll be in SL. I just have a quick question regarding Whirlwind after looking through the WoWHead guide and I don't think I ever saw it mentioned, is it just never used?
strong forum
It's a dead button never to be used, yes
jagged pier
it looks cool though 
honest plinth
no
sweet summit
🦀
tired lion
What covenant will be the best for Prot? I was originally gonna go venthyr but my guild wants me to tank now I guess
tired lion
Is spear really good for aoe threat?
jagged pier
yes
and the thethers really good the soulbinds are good
and evern with the nerf to the potion thats still really good
plus its a rage gen on a 1 min cd which is really nice, yes on 3 targets its less rage that nightfae but its still really strong
tired lion
Sweet thanks!
cosmic canyon
Nightfae not an alternative?
High leveled NF vs high leveled kyrian, which one is the better?
ionic fern
What on earth is a "high level NF/Kyrian"?
topaz ember
maybe means deep into the trees?
cosmic canyon
yes, fully upgraded covenant abilities
kyrian gets increased rage right?
night fae gets reduced cd afaik
both at around 1 min by the end if i'm not mistaken
cosmic canyon
junkyard one sucks
not a lot of people can answer your question from 'where' I guess. but statswise it's vers/haste
check AH for the 475 / 130 iL shield
lower iL is not acceptable, shield impacts too much.
grand drum
At equal ilvl, anything but junkyard one
toxic wadi
oh wow
@cosmic canyon An ilevel 100 shield on my server is 200k gold. I don't have that cash lol.
steep bone
lower iL is not acceptable, shield impacts too much.
@cosmic canyon Of course it's acceptable, basic mythic+15 is enough for tanking, and buying boe now is just plain stupid.
cosmic canyon
We're talking about "the best" shield
If you want the best shield anything below 130il is out of the question.
still pagoda
I wouldn't bother in your place since it's a pre-patch rn
Paying 500k+ gold for a shield you will vendor in 2 weeks from now is not a good idea
toxic wadi
@still pagoda that ^ lol
civic rover
i bought the boe shield on my warrior after going a month without looting it from ilgy and a week later i looted it from ilgy.
i will never buy a boe ever again
grand drum
imagine not getting a 475 shield on first reset from m+ cache
mellow patio
Alpha move
fluid swallow
Anyone else loving prot right now? i recently started playing warrior again and having a blast with protection
fiery remnant
Should I be trying to save a certain amount of rage before using ignore pain or just use whatever I have left over after shield block
mellow patio
Keep SB up, IP as a rage dump
last mason
do you guys take aegis in kr or a different minor
ionic fern
You can use Aegis in KR as well - you really do not need to swap your minors around for most dungeons/levels.
sand condor
So I tanked my first 22 key, with some changes in my setup, mostly more vers together with the Lingering shell. I used to have the mekagon dps wheel, bound to avatar, so I did the same with the lingering shell, but I’m unsure if i should unbind it and use it as a standalone defensive?
ebon hound
100% unbind it
ionic fern
^
ionic fern
Definitely - in almost every scenario you want a separate bind for trinkets.
toxic wadi
@mellow patio How?
brittle owl
no secondaries, parry gain is inconsequential, so is the avoidance, the damage they deal is mitigated by armor
although, to be fair, alot of wonky stuff happening since the squish. the damage component could be worth
toxic wadi
oh
mellow patio
What @brittle owl said
muted spoke
stat priority for m+ haste/vers still? haven't played in ppatch
sweet summit
ilvl>haste>crit for m+
ilvl>haste>vers for raid
i would say sim for dps but its still not updated for prepatch i believe
muted spoke
5 ilv upgrade without socket is upgrade, or gotta sim as well?
sweet summit
depends on slot
muted spoke
7 haste
sweet summit
thats not a slot
modern brook
u cant sim no more
also ergas saying that the item slot matters here. 5ilvl ona ring/trinket is not the same as 5 ilvls on pants
muted spoke
it's a wrist, sorry
sweet summit
take the socket if its only 5 ilvls
modern brook
^
My caveat is that its a 120+ ilvl gear differential
(like comparing a 120 to a 125) the reason being that armor DR is logrithmic
toxic wadi
What do you guys think of using an mmo mouse (the mouse with lots of buttons on the side) ?
uneven mason
are you actually going to use it?
toxic wadi
Maybe, I was reading reviews about it and people were saying it was very good
uneven mason
like my wife has G600 and uses like 2 buttons on the side, I'm like 🤷♂️ coulda spent 15$ and got a basic logitec rather than 50$
uneven mason
Its 100% up to if you're going to use the extra features
well, I mean, playing wow I use the HexV2 sideplate on my Naga Tri
so I have 7 side buttons
on my warrior I use 4 of the side buttons
mostly for mouseover macros
playing a healer I use all 7
toxic wadi
Is it easy to miss click? The buttons look small for a thumb, that's my main concern
uneven mason
on the 12button mice yes, also depends on how gorrilla paw you are
with my massive hamhands I can't even use the 12 button sideplates anymore because it gives me cramps to bend my thumb at that angle
last mason
how is prot damage currently in SL
toxic wadi
Ah I can imagine
uneven mason
Is ok
toxic wadi
I could do with 5 or 6 buttons, do you have a mouse you can recommend?
uneven mason
Logitec tends to be best in software and features
Razer tends to brick their own hardware with their shoddy drivers
I haven't bought a new mouse in years though (this naga tri I am using is the 5th RMA freebie in a chain that started with the original Naga like 10 years ago)
toxic wadi
ah ok
sweet summit
yea sure
uneven mason
Best mouse they ever made - they discontinued it
but can get the 7 button sideplate for the Naga Tri
just if you get a Razer - load the software, configure the device, save it to internal memory, and uninstall the software
then never unplug it
toxic wadi
ok cool
last mason
any tips for surviving tyrannical rezan bleed
sweet summit
get external/use CDs/nzoth trinket/lucid major/kill it before it applies the beed :)
uneven mason
You mean the "take 50% more damage" debuff?
(iirc theres no ticking damage)
Do what we always do, roll CDs!
nm it is a full bleed
IDK why I thought it was just the damage increase
steep bone
hi frens
sweet summit
halo
last mason
you dont really need ip when sb is up for rezan right
sweet summit
why not
last mason
im pugging so i cant really rely on externals
and well its just physical dmg right
besides the bleed
last mason
trying to figure out if i can pool rage or something bebfore the bleed comes out each time
sweet summit
yes you can?
last mason
and reducing ip use if i dont need it seemed like a way to do that
sweet summit
yeah thats fine
last mason
idk its just one of the abilities i still struggle with
the bleed
not that it matters much longer but still
uneven mason
If you're really struggling with the bleed just have Demo ready for each applicaiton of it, roll IPs with Bolster up, if he does it again, same thing, hit Shield wall
uneven mason
whats your healer/group comp?
last mason
can each of ours individually handle one bleed each
uneven mason
demo + IP + LS or SW will does it
last mason
and i pug
uneven mason
yeah
sweet summit
imean u can just have a macro for "external" cant u
uneven mason
each healer more or less has an external that can smooth that out
desert grove
Hey guys, when do you prioritize shield block over ignore pain and vice versa?
sweet summit
SB when youre taking blockable damage
IP when not taking blockable damage
desert grove
then revenge when both of those on cd?
sweet summit
IP does not have a CD
Unless youre still leveling
But yes, revenge is our main offensive rage spender
You kinda juggle around SB, IP and Revenge
desert grove
ok thats what i was already doing just making sure i wasnt doing anything wrong in my rotation
thanks erga!
sweet summit
uneven mason
Hey guys, when do you prioritize shield block over ignore pain and vice versa?
and this is why prot has a bad reputation, whys this even a quesiton 😄
ionic fern
It's good that they ask tho.
ionic fern
Definitely. If the tooltips were solid."Blocks attacks...ok...how much does that DR? What's blockable? Does it mean all attacks?"
Meanwhile IP actually has some numbers to go by for new people.
uneven mason
You're not wrong. Guess its good that they ask.
Block is definetly way more confusing than it was prior to BFA
when they moved it into its own armor table
still pagoda
yeah, it's not really confusing once you get how it works
but for any newb, it's a hard topic and people tend using IP and only IP while ignoring what is technically your main part of the kit
onyx vessel
Ip has a 1 second cd
last mason
how major is the difference in m+ community between alliance and horde, like truly really big?
last mason
pog
sweet summit
Dead faction :/
strong forum
:/
modern brook
Allies cling to dwarf racial because it's the only thing that's even remotely worth considering going them for
Shit faction with loser lore
crimson mulch
if you do M+ nelf is stupid broken for cheesing mechanics
odd void
hey guys how is prot warrior looking in SL in your opinion? I find the spec super fun but ive heard that its doing pretty poorly in SL right now, does it look to still be viable?
alpine stag
Wdym, for M+ alliance racials r way better
Horde is bigger in general - due to other factors, and cos it’s bigger there are more ppl doing keys which causes more ally players to switch over and repeat
still pagoda
Shit faction with loser lore
@modern brook
The only good thing that kept me playing alliance was amount of friends playing here
now
that no one holds me
i'm on horde
racials won't really matter if your faction is dead
honest plinth
@strong forum https://raider.io/news/121-faction-conundrum-when-mythic-players-want-to-be-alliance-but-cant
still pagoda
Tbf, this comparison is still a bit meh
As tournament realm and wf keys are different in amount of effort needed to perform compared to normal M+ and pugs
honest plinth
they are not if we are talking about m+ communities
still pagoda
Well, hard to disagree here
To understand a certain dynamic in the community
We must work with the statistical data
But the thing is. The article itself clings to an ad hoc group of progress-minded m+ players without really specifying which type of players and which part of community this represents
Just as this can be considered as an attempt by author of the article to blur the line between wf/tournament/highest-level bracket of content and everything below it, in confines of this discussion
Which... Will only lead to further problems with article mixing top-tier m+ meta, which is necessitated by the difficulty and gear restraints of said content(WF races especially), with general WoW community's infantile assumption of said meta as something that also applies to the levels of play below WF, tournaments and highest keys, bringing it to the absurd of a lot of people playing "off-meta" specs not getting invited, rejected, benched and assumed as someone inferior by people who don't know the person or only started to acquaint with such while also not understanding that highest tier meta doesn't apply to the level of play they are on
@honest plinth sometimes i get too deep into writing shit
desert grove
do you guys macro rallying cry and last stand together?
still pagoda
Never
2 different cooldowns
One of which is a raid utility
Which, by carelessly doing what you're asking about here, is getting wasted for no reason
desert grove
ok thank you! 😄
ebon lark
"General
[With regional restarts] All tank specializations passive threat generation has increased.
"
thanks blizzard
nice of you to let us know how much
modern brook
????? why; you pulling around ur threat multiplier?
inland mesa
It's a spooky mystery
ebon lark
Its like why though, I haven't had problems with threat since I was gearing at the start of BfA
inland mesa
front end fix for SL I believe as at one point aggro was tough on beta
jagged pier
@odd void where did you hear we are poor, because thats flat wrong we arent the best we arent the worst, the only issue we have compared to the top tanks is damage as some classes are over tuned still, but in terms of defensive all tanks are very very close
strong forum
nice of you to let us know how much
@ebon lark apparently like 800%
brittle owl
sneeze at mobs and they're glued to you
legion kite meta is back on the menu bois!
strong forum
Yup..
Pmuch
Cuz ykno, it's fine for dps to do more than 5x your tanks dmg
In aoe
Sometimes even 10x
jagged pier
wait did they raise threat multiplier?
strong forum
Yeah.
jagged pier
I dunno last time I played beta I was fine with everything but frost mage
strong forum
Threat has been a massive issue, mages warlocks and others doing upwards of 20k dps
And tank just sitting there with like 3k dps
undone sun
bandaid fix for a bigger issue
👏
blizz doesn't like touching tank damage(in a positive manner)
so blanket buff threat
ez
jagged pier
yer but arent paladins and Vdh like still miles ahead in dps or am I wrong
undone sun
even after the paladin nerf, they're still ahead by a considerable amount
lots of valuable feedback was given, flat threat buff
🙂
jagged pier
sweet summit
undone sun
strong forum
"we didn't like legion kiting meta, so we lowered threat by a considerable amount and brought in anti kiting mob mechanics"
"we don't like tanks doing well, so we nerfed almost all tank dmg"
"we don't like tanks not being able to hold threat so we buff threat almost back to legion levels"
"But hey we removed skittish"
strong forum
Everyone but pally and vdh unless you had a rogue
ionic fern
Wut.
I had close to 0 issues on threat as Warrior.
Maybe i just played with shitty DPS then.
undone sun
very likely
alpine stag
Threat was only an issue for Prot during 8.3 giga Masterful Amped Fire mage combustos
otherwise it was fine
brittle owl
🤔
this isn't 8.3 anymor
and the changes weren't aimed at the game in the 8.3 state
strong forum
And it was every other tank but pwar having threat issues
brittle owl
i mean
proccing TD in a meta+sotw major window
solved that
😎
can't combust if there's no target amirite
jagged pier
TD went brrrrrr and everything died before mage and press fireball
crude gulch
Hey guys I just started playing and I dont understand how agro works to keep it. I have read multiple guides
strong forum
Aggro is generated through dealing damage.
Currently ( soon ALOT MORE) you generate 400% threat as a tank with neck of Azeroth equipped, with your damaging abilities
Some abilities have hidden threat modifiers that generate more threat
brittle owl
heroic throw kek
strong forum
Taunt makes it so the taunted mob will be forced to attack you, while the debuff persists you generate 400% more threat ( iirc multiplicatively)
Abilities like heroic throw and throw glaive fall under the category of generating baseline more threat ( another 400%) so if you spam throw during taunt, it will generate 1600% threat
So basically, if you want to hold threat, deal alot of dmg 👍
crude gulch
ok thank you I started a dungeon with my friend and I was like yeah I just got taunt I am cool. So i ran in and used it and started to hit them then they all ran past me. I was like what?
he was dying laughing
is there a way to agro a group easily and keep it?
strong forum
Using your buttons, as stupid as it sounds
Use thunderclap on CD, throw out a ravager, hit dragon roar, use avatar on CD
Use a bit of rage for revenge
Make sure to hit all the mobs first, and keep hitting them
It's really that simple
And starting tomorrow it will be ALOT easier to hold aggro
crude gulch
i am only lvl 16 right now so that may also be a problem. How come it will be easier tomorrow?
uneven mason
yeah some folks still trying to lean on TC which isn't our best ae aggro ability anymore
they're buffing our threat per damage
crude gulch
ohhh cool
uneven mason
Tanking at low level is basically "hope your healer is paying attention"
because DPS will yank off of you like crazy
just because you don't have a whole lot of snap aggro abilities yet since much of our toolkit at that point has CDs or just doesn't have enough "oomph"
restive flax
Just hit Thunderclap everytime you have it
novel ruin
@crude gulch at low levels get in the habit of tab targeting or clicking frames every couple globals to get and keep threat on a pack.
crude gulch
ok this is way more helpful than just reading
uneven mason
@restive flax Revenge does considerably more damage than TC now, TC does burst damage to your primary target, but lower damage to all others
So Rev is the "Hold aggro" ability
restive flax
Theres still no harm to press TC on cd due to rage not always being up to cast Rev
right?
novel ruin
Yes, press TC on CD
restive flax
That was the only thing I was talking about^^
uneven mason
yeah for rage you're right
but for threat the #1 problem I've seen is folks skipping Rev day
novel ruin
Burst threat isn’t a big issue for Prot warrior due to DR and Ravager. And sustained threat will get better with reset
restive flax
During leveling you dont really have Ravager
uneven mason
being its the level 50
rigid edge
@strong forum will the threat generation increase be noticeable? I've not had issues with that but I've heard from some fellow prots they had
sweet summit
If you didnt lose aggro to begin with, no 
uneven mason
more for BDK and BRM
seems to be that "tank threat mod" is probably a variable that is referenced by all of the tank auras
rigid edge
Makes sense, honestly even if you just throw everything you have at the mobs you should hold aggro, at least at 50 🤷♂️
strong forum
You will generate supposedly 2x the threat
novel ruin
It’ll prob be a different threat mod for each tank
novel ruin
Yeah
rigid edge
I see, well any increase to threat generation is welcome, and I agree on the tooltip ambiguity
restive flax
Even the description of the covenant abilities is cryptic af
strong forum
What about SUPER MASSIV
rigid edge
I'm also happy for our Arms and Fury comrades, I just glimpsed over their changes but it seems they got some increases
sweet summit
🤏
restive flax
didnt they buff flat damage of every ability?
still pagoda
and also adjusted 2 talents
still pagoda
1% nerf of Frenzy for fury
with a bit higher ramp up time
and cleave is its own ability again
restive flax
I have no clue about Fury, I just press 4 buttons until whatever I'm hitting is dead
still pagoda
strong forum
And then there's me
Sperging over pressing WW every 3rd Button
And raging when I miss one cuz im not used to it
restive flax
Oh yeah, I do that too 😄
strong forum
And you lose like 70%of your dmg
It's so fucking bad
Oh that rampage you did? Yeah you didn't WW it.
sweet summit
git gud tbh :)
strong forum
Guess you just did nothing
strong forum
Cast sequence class
restive flax
Mate I dont even do damage when I hit WW before
strong forum
Shit spec
restive flax
I only have 2 onehanded weapons
strong forum
I wish I had 2 one handed weapons
restive flax
Sold all my twohanders by accident
strong forum
But I never looted more than 1 max ilvl 1hander from chest and then never left arms lootspec
rigid edge
I share the sentiment with Fury, I'm just terrible with it
strong forum
Tried fury for 1 dungeon
JY25
Did only 3.5k dps
Fucking pepega
I do more as prot
sweet summit
fury owns because my brain is a bit slow so having a sequence spec is epic
strong forum
My brain is too fast so I overthink the rotation 10 billion times over
Instead of just hammering
restive flax
rigid edge
I think it's the same for me, Fury stressed me out, and I just end up underperforming a lot
still pagoda
But I never looted more than 1 max ilvl 1hander from chest and then never left arms lootspec
@strong forum
That's why you raid in 8.3
restive flax
I think you need some of that frothing berserker in your blood to play Fury
still pagoda
yeah
rigid edge
Haha, you gotta stick to what you do best mate
restive flax
I mean you do have spellreflect baseline now
strong forum
Obv use that on CD
restive flax
And IP too... right?
sweet summit
bruh
strong forum
Yeah but it's 60 rage for fury
restive flax
shh
sweet summit
10% DR
strong forum
Warpaint my ass
strong forum
Still are heavily suspect to dying
sweet summit
dont test me
restive flax
Never heard of booty warpaint
rigid edge
Can I have my ass warpainted please?
restive flax
select a pattern please
brittle owl
dont test me
@sweet summit what is lim( ctg x/y ) with x trending to infinity and y trending to 0
rigid edge
Two skulls kissing in the middle
sweet summit
i said dont 😢
brittle owl
🗞️
strong forum
I'll answer
restive flax
strong forum
0
rigid edge
Nome using intervine on Erga
strong forum
(probably still wrong cuz I have no clue)
brittle owl
both nome and erga get 0 points for cheating
strong forum
So I was right
sweet summit
I DIDNT CHEAT
brittle owl
you were implicated
strong forum
So was I right
brittle owl
strong forum
That's all I care for
sweet summit
ITS NOT MY FAULT!
strong forum
I sent you my dick love, answer me. @brittle owl
restive flax
👀
brittle owl
no u wrong
strong forum
Unlugg
stark sage
@strong forum use brain
strong forum
All I understand from that is infinity and 0
brittle owl
better lugg next semester @sweet summit @strong forum
strong forum
I finished school 9 years ago, you expect me to know that
sweet summit
My brain is too fast so I think 10 billion times
cant even do primary school math smh
stark sage
@brittle owl idk what ctg means, but would it just be infinity
brittle owl
cotangent
strong forum
It's so fast, I zoomed past the answer