not its not
#protection
woven trellis
its exactly the fricking same
so thing is, i can spend the extra money i earn during those 2 month either in useless stuff
or my bank will take it anyway
the other 10 month
i m able to earn 70$ a month
sadly not enough for my rent but u know
i make my landlord wait, its an old guy so i keep it with him, stay nice with him
if only i could find a fucking opportunity to get a steady income
so now that we established the metaphor
lets see the solution u offer
u offer me to accumulate my money so i can use it later
this way
i will be able to pay my 3rd month
and the rest of it will be to waste
and from the 4th month, im back to my bad salary
nice solution
im not saying its ravager is bad, iots probably the best, but the problem is still there, and its no use to say someone should just keep the rage to pay his 4 to 12 month salary it doesnt make sense at all
chilly brook
Again very convoluted analogy that doesn't capture how wow works in terms of your survival
chilly brook
It doesnt really make a point...
woven trellis
this is called denial
chilly brook
You have plenty of tools at your disposal to stay alive
chilly brook
You gain far more rage when you need it with ravager as opposed to ITF
woven trellis
this is true
woven trellis
well ure deviating again
i just told u
saying u should
save ur rage from ravager
for later
is the dumbest thing i ever read
i just said that
nothing more
so yeah, in the end, we agree that sadly Ravager is probably better anyway, and ITF isnt good enough, but if we had a solution that allow up to get
let say
90% of this rent every month
like a better itf
it would probably be much better and reliable
than creating huge rage for a short period
sadly we agree, it looks like it doesnt exist
chilly brook
Doubt
woven trellis
well being able to pay your rent every month is better than paying it 3 month a year eh
btw, its just about IP uptime this whole story, were dependant of IP uptime in the higher key now to stay alive, so everything that could help maximize if for the longer fights would be way better
even if its true that its fucking awesome to be able to have enough for the first, lets say 15 second of every pack
15 sec is sadly far from being the length of a trashpack in a high key
well they consume your IP maybe every 2 or 3 sec
chilly brook
IP is not your most effective tool to stay alive even in high keys
chilly brook
So again this whole "I have so much rage at the start of a pull" is kinda moot
chilly brook
Since you can hold Ravager until you have nothing else and absolutely need it to dump into IP
SB is still your most important tool to stay alive....
woven trellis
again i dont know how you think but its very weird
chilly brook
IP shouldn't be what you're relying on wholesale unless literally nothing else is available
woven trellis
IP shouldn't be what you're relying on wholesale unless literally nothing else is available
@chilly brook
and ure here
telling me its wrong
that u need a sausage
first
well
OF COURSE
<IP shouldn't be what you're relying on wholesale unless literally nothing else is available<
so
according to u
when ure on other CDs
u shouldnt use IP
is that how u play for real?
chilly brook
@sweet summit @still pagoda save me plz
Show me where I said you never use IP with anything else?
woven trellis
im just asking for you to clarify those < situations < where u dont need IP cause u have something else
what is this something else that make u not rely on IP
im waiting
cause so far, every war ive seen, including me in this prepatch , in high key
chilly brook
That's not what I said....
woven trellis
has to rely on a 60%+ uptime of IP
u said
IP shouldn't be what you're relying on wholesale unless literally nothing else is available
so clarify that
u make me look like the annoying guy here
but no man
just make sense
please
chilly brook
adverb
adverb: wholesale
on a large scale.
woven trellis
im pretty tilted right now, cause i may not be 300iq but im still a very pragmatic dude and i highly value good reasoning and i dont see any
chilly brook
I.e. you shouldn't be relying on it strictly unless you have nothing else to dump rage into
open monolith
Bro I've said it twice it's so simple.
Ravager makes the bad mans die faster. Dead bad mans can't hurt you.
chilly brook
No you just have reading comprehension issues
open monolith
Kill the bad mans fasters, win the dungeon
woven trellis
No you just have reading comprehension issues
@chilly brook this is called projection
perverse defense mechanism
we aquire that at the very early childhood
this is good to stay healthy in life but not useful in this conversation
open monolith
Yikes.
woven trellis
we need a middle man
woven trellis
lmao
chilly brook
Please save my sanity
open monolith
So, like. Are you completely dismissing the damage outout part of Ravager?
chilly brook
Also sorry
crimson mulch
what key levels are we talking about here, can we get a baseline
the answer is gonna vary a lot
woven trellis
were talking 27+
crimson mulch
ok cool yeah the trash starts hitting us really hard there, some packs are pretty brutal
woven trellis
so i think everyone here agreed to say that ravager is very good and does more than the job in the first 15sec of every trashpack
crimson mulch
10% haste doesn't cool down shield block any faster though right? and that's the main problem i have, when i hit the gap in active mit i'm gonna get pumped
chilly brook
Literally only 1 of the top 5 warriors is even touching ITF
sweet summit
whats the argument
crimson mulch
ravager is interesting because you can kite while rage gaining
sweet summit
i cba reading
woven trellis
maximizing IP uptime is a very efficient solution to save us fromm the post ravager part of trashfights
crimson mulch
at higher key levels kiting for cooldowns becomes much more important than anything else
imo
chilly brook
I don't even know what the argument is anymore
woven trellis
so the argument is, should we consider to try things to have steadier income in rage than just a burst at the beginning
chilly brook
I can't comprehend this mans 5head comparisons and analogies
sweet summit
you have rage gen issues?
woven trellis
not more than every other war i think
crimson mulch
i don't think the 10% haste is ever gonna outweigh the huge rage gain from ravager personally, even if you amortise it. you just need to time it right
open monolith
Are you spamming revenge o.o
chilly brook
Apparently saying to not spam IP more than necessary is dumb
woven trellis
ofc i dont spam revenge anymore
crimson mulch
at high keys non-free revenge is a bait lol
woven trellis
Apparently saying to not spam IP more than necessary is dumb
@chilly brook no, saying u should keep RAGE from ravager for later is dumb
chilly brook
Same with saying to hold Ravager if you know you're gonna need the influx of rage
crimson mulch
like pull with avatar + your shield blocks and take much reduced dmg due to 3x bastion
then when that runs out you can ravager + spam IP
seems better than 10% haste to me
chilly brook
Saying you should keep rage from ravager for later is completely different than saying you should hold Ravager if you know you're gonna need the rage to survive when SB drops
Like I said reading comprehension issues
woven trellis
ok
i see where the quiproquo is
u thought i say i have much rage at beginning of the fight and should hold ravager
but i never said that
i said that u have more than enough during ravager, whatever the time u use it
chilly brook
quiproquo?
crimson mulch
if you layer ravager on other CDs you'll probably waste a lot of the rage, it's all about spacing it out
woven trellis
so its smart to at least think if there is any solution that would give a less important burst but steadier income in nrage
chilly brook
quid pro quo
/ˌkwid ˌprō ˈkwō/
noun
a favor or advantage granted or expected in return for something.
sweet summit
open monolith
Bitch we aren't speaking french here
chilly brook
^
woven trellis
again those guys are just projecting their issues
well i didnt say quid pro quo
i said quiproquio
quiproquo
chilly brook
I don't speak french
sweet summit
yeah i cba listening to your personal arguments
chilly brook
And it's awfully similar to a different phrase
woven trellis
just ask what it means
chilly brook
Instead of assume it's english
sweet summit
if you want to test ItF go for it 🤷♀️
i personally find more success with ravager
undone sun
english is three languages disguised in a trenchcoat
woven trellis
my bad then?
chilly brook
Because those are common vernacular?
undone sun
there's so many loanwords in it
sweet summit
i havent had any issues with "too much rage" or "too little rage" with and without ravager
woven trellis
Because those are common vernacular?
@chilly brook yeah, like quiproquo
chilly brook
And actually a part of the english language
Well no
That's french as the google shows
😛
Either way
Back to the actual issue
woven trellis
yeah like when u ask for rendez vous, it brings u the french meaning, not the english context when its used...
anyway
ye
open monolith
What are you wanting out of this conversation? Someone to give you permission to use a talent other than Ravager?
Some top warriors use it
It has its uses
woven trellis
no i tried the 3 of them so far
open monolith
Most prefer Ravager
woven trellis
so far i prefer ravager
but
im still sad abt it
thats pretty much the whole thing
chilly brook
sweet summit
why dont you like ravager?
chilly brook
seems like the english tense to me
sweet summit
ye ok lets leave it at that
chilly brook
🤷🏻♂️
woven trellis
what i dont like about ravager
undone sun
👏 semantics arguments 👏
undone sun
👏 etymology purism 👏
woven trellis
what i like about itf, is its passive effect up all the time
the problem with itf is that its bad
so
yeah
thats it
lmao
chilly brook
sweet summit
zoomzoom
open monolith
Rushing Red Wind
sweet summit
:/
woven trellis
is Sock a joke bot?
sweet summit
!sock
woven trellis
xd
undone sun
eyir socks
gilded tendonBOT
🧦
sweet summit
i think the sock is offline
woven trellis
btw guys, adressing to ppl doing 25 or higher keys
wht is ur average DMg
i mean dps
in overall
sweet summit
from logs or details?
woven trellis
details
open monolith
Hey.
sweet summit
not sure
open monolith
I'm a delight.
undone sun
[X]
open monolith
Don't hurt my feelings I'm very sensitive
undone sun
why politics 
woven trellis
i used it as a meme, not as politic argument
open monolith
Someone more brave than me spam a bunch so I don't have to look at it anymore
woven trellis
lmao
ok
i can do that
but itll take time
i need u guys to be brave while im working on it
its definitely
open monolith
Best anime redemption arc
sweet summit
open monolith
LOL
woven trellis
a few miles ahead
open monolith
10/10
woven trellis
and were going to be good
steep bone
Eyir socks rocks sucks
woven trellis
ah
open monolith
But I appreciate the extra effort
woven trellis
well
i think we can start a new argument now
Dragon roar or Booming voice
leggo
sweet summit
decent rage
open monolith
Booming Voice because dragon roar is stupid
crimson mulch
i like DR as another button to grab AOE aggro at the start of a pull, plus the rage is nice
sweet summit
sweet summit
grand drum
open monolith
Man I'll never forget this noob i adopted back in BC. Name was Darknesswolf. Had a cat named Icestalker. Everytime they used volley it would shout "FEEL THE RAIN OF FIRE ARROWS"
open monolith
If you don't recognize that GIF you're too young, or old, to be on the internet
woven trellis
im ashamed of my question
ill look like the worst noob cause the answer is probably very dumb and i probably should know it
but
lets ask it anyway
Demoralizing shout
its a 30sec cd
but when i use it, i have 45sec cd
sweet summit
45
woven trellis
but its written 30 sec
sweet summit
pvp talent
woven trellis
on the tooltip
open monolith
Do you have the pvp talent that lowers it selected?
open monolith
Probably doesn't change the tooltip in dungeons
woven trellis
yeah
open monolith
Beep boop here's a joke:
Dragon's Roar
open monolith
Ty
I put a lot of time and effort into it
I have boomer fingers, so I prefer passive talents
Fewer buttons makes me happy.
That's why I also play frost mage
woven trellis
open monolith
My soft and tiny hands can only reach so many buttons, you know?
open monolith
I dont like the way the buttons feel under my thumb
I've been gripping a mouse in gaming a very particular way for like 22 years
Having to grip it differently with my thumb completely throws me off
woven trellis
u mean greasy>? its not from the mouse...
woven trellis
well, mine is made in a way that i still can apply strength on the pad to push the mouse without actually pushing the key
i have to claw the hand and grip the mouse to actually press a key
so are u sure u tried one?
open monolith
Don't attack me like that
crimson mulch
you must be loving the devastator talent
open monolith
But yes i tried the naga ages ago
crimson mulch
not having to fill gcds with devastate is great
open monolith
And yes i love devastator
Though i miss the SOUND devastate used to make in...
Hrrrm when did it first come out
Was it bc or wotlk
It used to sound so nice.
sturdy sable
I feel like I remeber using it in bc
open monolith
Yeah I think it was BC.
sturdy sable
It was just sunder that did actual damage right
sturdy sable
Yeah it was bc
open monolith
And it made a very satisfying sound
member when holding aggro was actually difficult
undone sun
well it's back
open monolith
Oh thank god
undone sun
open monolith
Did they actually do something to change aggro mechanics in Shadowlands?
Or are you memeing
open monolith
Sweet
undone sun
in a competent group, on average 4 out of 6 tanks have trouble establishing
open monolith
I mean, if you're playing optimally and still losing aggro, that's bad design
undone sun
which is what it is
last mason
how much haste you guys have rn
woven trellis
36
primal saddle
BC and Vanilla agro was tank haveing to hit first and dps haveing to check agro so they don't take it off tank
It was baaaad
brittle owl
you had enough tools across dps classes that aggro wasn't a hassle
and it rewarded proper gameplay from tanks, directly increasing raid dps
brittle owl
you had abilities that did varying levels of extra threat
it's wasn't tied to raw damage output
...like it is now
honest plinth
What do you mean by now btw. Sl release?
Coz our dmg is fine at least in m+ in pre patch
primal saddle
we got nerfed in prepatch and we are less popular in keys 30+
but thats about it
well in all the keys below too but we where the most dominant class for tanking keys so no surprises there
honest plinth
I mean its not 1/4 dpser damage
primal saddle
depends on the dps
i have big doubts on prot being able to do 2k dps single target
bm hunter is doing like 6k same with shadow priest
primal saddle
overall dmg of a whole dungeon? who even looks at that?
primal saddle
I mean who the fuck pours over the total dmg for the whole dungeon?
and i still wouldn't expect the tank to be half the dmg of your dps
jagged pier
@primal saddle prot warrior on the beta are already doing over 2k on beta on ST what do you mean you have big doubts
primal saddle
i was speaking about prepatch but also even if it was when your party are doing 5k dps you arnt doing half of their dmg
strong forum
Well but you are
honest plinth
I fuxking dont care about dps on 1 boss
strong forum
Like what are you looking at, raid parses or m+, you said m+ overall dps doesn't matter. So youre looking at parsing
And people are breaking 3k
honest plinth
Im talking about oberall
strong forum
As pwar
honest plinth
Overall dps
strong forum
Same as m+, average is 2.5k dps
If you're doing high keys you can end up at 3k+ even
primal saddle
but what are your dps doing?
strong forum
4-5k
primal saddle
do you have any logs i've never seen a tank do more than half the dps on most of the keys ive been in?
strong forum
Shit tank, what can I tell you
primal saddle
this is at around 20-25
honest plinth
Make sense
primal saddle
so not like dumb high
strong forum
Only in dumb high keys
Dps will triple your dps
The lower you go
The less dmg the dps will be able to pull off overall
In the case of pre-patch
Cuz everything just vanishes
In 2 seconds
honest plinth
Tell that to mechanics on ML :D
strong forum
ML is fun
still pagoda
Even 20s pop like a loot penjata now
honest plinth
They hit fucking Hard
honest plinth
I kited like a bitch in 26
honest plinth
Just 2 robots when they use claws oooh man
honest plinth
Btw i did 20 as 109 ilvl oomkin
20 is more like 15
How is KR on this week btw didnt get any KR key. But wanna do it maybe in pug grp idk if i find one
strong forum
We did 25, it's pretty chill tbh
We got fucked over on zul tho cuz the soak thingy spawned right under zul
honest plinth
did you use lucid for him?
honest plinth
oki ty good to know that hes not that strong 😄
hallow phoenix
cosmic canyon
what's the cooldown of fleshcraft?
nvm
i'm blind
10 yd range, 4 sec channel, 2 min cooldown.
brittle owl
big 
jagged pier
its fuking trash and should be reworked like banner tbh
cosmic canyon
The venthyr shield effect from condemn, how long does it last for?
is it a shield on you; or a reduction of damage from the mob somehow?
brittle owl
it works like a debuff afaik
so essentially infinite duration until the damage threshold
jagged pier
but it got heavy nerfed XD
cosmic canyon
is "show of force" stacking? (potency conduit)
jagged pier
dont think do
and its kinda rubbish anyway
youll get loads more from going cov conduit and endurance/finesse
cosmic canyon
don't you need to apply 2x potency though? 1 from cov and one spec?
jagged pier
you can but show of force is so pointless its not worth it really
like it was 'okay' before if was nerfed
cosmic canyon
I "can" what's the alternative?
don't we get 2x potency conduits & 4 endurance ones?
jagged pier
another endurance conduit or a finesse conduit
cosmic canyon
or is the potency also the utility ?
ah, we can pick
in the tree
ok i follow, I haven't played beta
jagged pier
it al depends on the route you choose
strong forum
You get 4 conduits total
cosmic canyon
yy
jagged pier
but going out your way to choose 2 potency isnt worth
strong forum
Our finesse conduits are good
Our endurance ones are okay
if show of force would stack it would be good
cosmic canyon
but it doesnt, on beta?
jagged pier
when I was testing it, it didnt stack
brittle owl
merciless bonegrinder wouldn't make WW worth pressing after ravej would it 🤔
strong forum
Well it says slam
And revenge replaces slam afaik
However I don't even know if that thing works at all for prot
Wait I was looking at a different conduit with the same name
Huh?
Could be interesting interaction if it worked
But idk if its worth just to pad
brittle owl
hey man
if that conduit makes it so we are spinny bois for 8 seconds every 45
i'm game
orchid frigate
seems like a lot of pvpers play with sound on to identify abilities (landed interrupts and so on). any big (similar) upside in starting using sound on a bit from a pve point of view?
topaz ember
to hear when dbm yells at you or wa sounds for things
orchid frigate
i have master volume on so i do hear them 🙂
woven trellis
what essence major would u guys take for high Sots?
sand condor
what do i put in the socket
modern brook
Haste
open monolith
This game needs more anti-DBM elitists.
I'll be impressed at a world first mythic clear when a guild does it with 0 DBM or similar mods
modern brook
Now theres a strength spec take tbh
open monolith
Lol i know
I don't actually care if anyone else ever uses it, but I've refused to since wrath of the lich King
open monolith
I got my plagued proto Drake with no deadly boss mod
I honestly believe it takes any difficulty at all completely out of the fight
mellow patio
Weak aura? Weak player
modern brook
I'll stop using dbm/wigs when blizzard is capable of actually telegraphing mechanics
open monolith
I can't think of any mechanic that isn't telegraphed in some way
The only module of DBM that I have turned on is the one that shows other people that you have DBM so I don't get kicked from pugs for not using it
tame garden
simple mural
Blizzard is to reliant on dbm/bigwigs to properly telegraph most fights. Many of the mechanics are vague without them.
open monolith
The number of times my guildies died to lava wave on 10 man 3 drake Sartharion WHILE USING DBM made me so sad
I think DBM breeds complacency
JOIN ME BROTHERS. WE SHALL CREATE A GUILD CALLED <NO DBM> AND WE SHALL ACT ELITIST AND /SPIT ON THE INFERIOR PLEBS
jk. Could you imagine if I were actually like that?
simple mural
You’re not wrong, I can give a count down and call out for a mechanic over coms and we’ll still lose half the raid.
open monolith
I honestly just think the game is a lot more fun when I have to pay a lot of attention in order to avoid mechanics myself
last mason
do you still need rep requirements for balance of power
open monolith
If I have a program calling it out for me, I'd legitimately just do not enjoy the game anymore
tame garden
do you mythic raid
open monolith
Part of why I love FFXIV. No DBM :) just cast bars (and pattern recognition since most fights are super scripted)
I don't have the time for that man.
I've dipped my toes in some mythic pugs here or there
But I don't have the time to dedicate to this game to be a serious mythic raider
Mostly just do mythic plus
maiden ravine
But people do use timers in ff14 too
chilly brook
Top tier raiders in FFXIV definitely use timers and crap
open monolith
You can't make me
open monolith
maiden ravine
Blizzard essentially designs fights with dbm in mind now. Though base timers are getting better
strong forum
Base timers?
open monolith
I think he means the default UI telegraphs and warnings
strong forum
BTW socks
You do know, that dbm and bigwigs
Comes from the world first raiders data
They are doing it without those timers
But weak auras they themselves create along the fight
stark sage
strong forum
Yeah, they're playing a different game we do
Cuz bigwigs is maintained by former method kinda
stark sage
tbf once you've pulled the boss like 15 times, you have a general idea of the fight timings and wont really need addons to help you
open monolith
They're playing a game where they trademark their names and send CnDs to people with similar names
Kek
strong forum
And dbm is now partnered with limit
Since nyalotha
So they get more accurate timers earlier
open monolith
Limit, home of the Preheat brand
strong forum
Limit had nothing to do with what preheat prematurely heated
But yeah
He won't get rid of that so fast
open monolith
I know lol
I'm the one that made the reddit thread that blew up
It was kind of fascinating to watch the power of social media
I wasn't expecting that thread to get so big
chilly brook
Like voice lines and stuff?
maiden ravine
just warnings they put on screen or in the chat box
last mason
the preheat thing is just another reminder that even in guilds like that, its just a bunch of anti social cringelords who somehow found themselves in positions of influence
just like most twitch streamers
thats just my personal opinion though
modern brook
oof tell me how u really feel
last mason
i watch a lot of league streamers, tell me im wrong especially with them
open monolith
I mean, you are definitely correct
civic rover
imaqtpie is the best league streamer tho
dude literally gives zero fucks and i love it
trim bay
hey guys. for m+ should we go dragon roar and ravager? or booming voice and unstoppable force?
trim bay
^^
open monolith
I Prefer booming voice and ravager
Some people like dragon roar because it's another instant aggro thing when pulling
honest plinth
i prefer dragon roar for roars
open monolith
I think that one comes down to preference honestly
Dragon roar if you're a pumper who likes to pump
limpid pawn
strong forum
depends on the things hes said
open monolith
Blizzard has a pretty high tolerance for people's shit talking as long as it isn't racist or homophobic
They usually just tell you to mute them yourself
Or, to quote CCP, harden the fuck up
strong forum
its 2020
people prefer to get offended and cry out for bullying
or that you should take care of their feelings for them
cuz everybody is a soyboy that cant stand a single offense
most people prolly getting a heartattack watching southpark
onyx vessel
Snowflakes
maiden ravine
Or just don't watch cause it offers nothing of value to their life? Honestly be careful there Nom, you can get banned from Twitch for less than that stance these days.
open monolith
I mean, I agree, partially, with both sides.
- just like... Don't be a dick, ya know?
- if someone's being a dick, get over it
stark sage
@open monolith that's been a big mantra for my personal life for a good 10 years now
works out very well
uneven mason
I've often wanted a "gaming time machine" that I could force people who get offended easy in wow to head back to Everquest raid leading in 2000..
Less so nowadays since I've fully retired from Raidleading (for that reason, among a few others)
open monolith
Getting offended is a choice, in my eyes
But also being purposely offensive is a choice
uneven mason
Well there is being sensitive and there is someone going too far
open monolith
If everyone just like, I don't know, tried to be somewhat decent, I feel like the majority of problems in the world would go away
stark sage
i think getting offended is a gut reaction, but you can choose to improve your feelings when you're offended
uneven mason
☝️
open monolith
I supervise adults in emergency services work. Every time I get someone new to my team I tell them the same thing; rule number one of being on my team, Don't be a dick
uneven mason
rule #2 if someone is being a dick, deal with it and move on
stark sage
ye 2 very good rules to live by
open monolith
Rule number two is try your best to limit liability to yourself and don't get anybody killed
open monolith
Rule number three is if you don't know how to limit the liability to yourself, talk to me so I can limit it for you
strong forum
Or just don't watch cause it offers nothing of value to their life? Honestly be careful there Nom, you can get banned from Twitch for less than that stance these days.
@maiden ravine you really only get banned for being homophobe and racist
open monolith
And for whatever doctor disrespect did
uneven mason
I used to kick kittens during BFA Beta cause Prot warrior, never got banned
open monolith
I never liked that guy, or really ever watched them, but I really want to know why he got banned
The curiosity is fucking killing me
open monolith
I hate it when there's some juicy information that I want to know but I can't know
uneven mason
Mebbie they decided that being prot in bfa beta was punishment enough
open monolith
I got a warning in final fantasy XIV for saying this in general: who else is part of the white monster energy master race
I think the chat bot caught white and master race in the same sentence
At the time, I was really just addicted to white monsters, they were so yummy
maiden ravine
Honestly that's my point. You used soyboy which is one part homophobic and one part sexist.
uneven mason
You meam Monster Ultra?
open monolith
But a Red bull is a guilty pleasure
uneven mason
cuz that is the best drink ever invented
open monolith
I don't know what it's called, the monster that comes in a big white can
uneven mason
yeah
open monolith
Yeah man I used to love that shit. I would drink one to two a day lol Not healthy
But I was also working overnights in dispatch back then
Now my boomer heart can't tolerate it.
Black coffee for me
strong forum
master bedroom anyone
open monolith
That's a weird thing to type
strong forum
if you get offended for this 👉 🚪
strong forum
the joke is saying master
open monolith
0/10
strong forum
na youre still sane
theres people actually offended over the descriptions master and slave in IT
open monolith
Do you remember that post, I want to say it was during Legion, on the Blizzard forums about someone upset that they didn't consent to being mounted in their druid travel form?
And blizzard actually bent the knee to them and made a change
strong forum
an episode of "the office" got removed because a person did a cosplay where they painted the skin black
🙃
open monolith
I really don't like the term snowflake. You're taking a perfectly wonderful thing and turning it into a negative
Why don't we call them pussy ass bitches or something
strong forum
i guess
stark sage
druid brains tbh
open monolith
Lol
strong forum
but snowflake is referring to them being special and unique
but idk where the mentality came from, that everybody has to do YOU right
open monolith
I know. I like to refer to myself as a snowflake frequently in the context of I like generally playing classes in games that are underplayed
I like being a special snowflake
But not in the I'm a giant pussy sense
stark sage
idk it doesnt have to be negative, your snowflake is epic, theirs is fragile and lame
maiden ravine
It's not about doing someone specific right, it comes down to you don't need to insult someone by using sexually charged insults such as "pussy" or frankly insulting anyone. If that's the only way you can relate to others, well don't be surprised if you eventually get "cancelled"
mellow patio
Why call someone a bad name when you can just say they suck
uneven mason
Be a constructive douchebag
Frame your insults in such a way that they think you're complimenting them...but everyone else in the room understands.
strong forum
nice job retard!
maiden ravine
🙄
strong forum
😄
mellow patio
Kindly ask your fellow dps if they forgot to equip their weapons
proven breach
I always glyph out of it on my druid. I'm no taxi
topaz ember
a dps did forget to wear their neck once in raid
and they were wondering why their dps was so low
hasty crypt
yo dudes, is it possible to have Charge and Intercept in the same macro with a modifier? Say Charge on Shift-R and Intercept on Ctrl-R, or it needs its own binding?
sweet summit
ye, you dont even need a modifier
/cast [mod:shift] Charge
/cast [mod:control] Intervene
should work
you can also have a @mouseover on intervene and/or charge if youd like
open monolith
am I mentally retarded for never really finding a realistic use for Shattering throw (outside of pvp)
hasty crypt
thanks a lot!
gonna try it out in a sec
hm, do I have to unbind CTRL-R? its currently bound t show my fps
it doesnt seem to work 😦
sweet summit
try this, without a mod then?
#showtooltip
/cast Charge
/cast Intervene
nova rune
simple mural
Turns out we can solo Kazzak just fine.
last mason
is there any sort of addon or wa that auto marks targets
novel ruin
@sweet summit 
celest stone
Couple seconds after they are pulled, invaders will do an uninterruptable cast applyingtheir deadly poison, this can be stopped with cc like stormbolt and paralysis etc, they wont recast immediately
last mason
and does it go through block?
the other mobs are just the captains which shout and charge, and the other one that haste buffs right
both of which shouldnt be an issue
id think
celest stone
when they get the cast off, they start applying their deadly poison debuff on melee swings
Feels like the most dangerous part of those pulls by far, esp. if not dispelled
last mason
oh ok, so its a ticking debuff that applies to you, rather than extra damage on melee swings?
celest stone
A poison debuff that stacks y
last mason
ahh ok that makes more sense
also another question, the tank buster ob mob, how do you tank his initial hit, and does he swing for phys or magic
i have trouble with that sometimes
celest stone
By initial cast you mean the spirit breaker? Its phys dmg that cant be blocked
last mason
what do you pop for the first hit, just ip then? or demo
celest stone
Not sure what warrs usually do in big keys, you can kite the dude and he wont cast it
crimson mulch
in higher key levels you usually want some extra defensive/external or a big IP/trinket to eat the hit. as long as you don't get 1 shot you're good because you should be out of melee range after the hit
demo + IP is plenty if you're topped usually
if you have room to kite you can leap away, if you're outside ~20yds at the end of the cast it does no dmg
mighty gulch
my ignore pain weakaura broke with shadowlands, anyone got a replacement?
Also is it me or does prot feel extremely weak rn? like i can barely live through anything or hold aggro
crimson mulch
nah it's not weak just different
it's way weaker relative to the other tanks than it was last season though
mighty gulch
idk what i want to play for shadowlands honestly.
all these fucking systems just make me not want to play the game
cosmic canyon
Alcamz don't lose heart. You're probably gonna love it down the road.
Changes aren't inherently bad. ^^
The way I see it: it's gonna be the way the class plays currently + a legendary choice + a covenant choice
They will affect your gameplay.
You will also lose your heart of azeroth @ azerite pieces
mighty gulch
i get that change isn't bad. But at this moment in time, all classes are gimped and fee, like garbage, and all the soulbinds, and legendary effects, covanant abilities, runecarving and so on, i have to learn each effect and guess if it will make the class feel good or not.
cosmic canyon
What makes you feel warrior is gimped. Which situations?
Your IP aura can be found on wago, on my cell atm so I can't help. But there is at least one that is good.
The one I'm using is part of a bigger warrior defensive uptime aura. Shows sb, ip, etc, etc, etc
mighty gulch
The way prot feels atm just feels so clunky and off. I hate the intercept changes, i hate all the pointless filler abilities that i have to just ignore because theyre useless. The talent reshuffle really put me off too.
I feel like i gotta wait until all the classes have access to their abilities to make a choice tbh
cosmic canyon
The way I feel warrior plays differently atm is that in my case I left clap dancing for snap aggro dragon & more use of revenge. I already played devastator before patch so no change there
Try double time or whatever the talent is called
I play that too, cause I like the option of charging between mobs in packs & 1x charge every 20sec just wasn't worth it
mighty gulch
Honestly i want to play a caster but then i'd be locked into dps limbo
tried shaman but it feels bad
cosmic canyon
As for clunky I guess I can understand your point. Especially if you didn't use devastator before patch.
Between dragon & ravager there really isn't many moments of nothing to do. Still have issues? Consider other talents to feel "your" pace. For example go haste one instead of ravager.
You want to play caster?
Warlock, mage & hunter is in a pretty good spot atm
Even druid!
And druid can also tank. Albeit Idk how well
mighty gulch
I tried balance, isn't for me, still miss wotlk balance. But hunter and mage look fun
I remember when starfire had a 40% increased crit chance from eclipse, good times
cosmic canyon
I've played hunter since beta back in the day. Hunter is bonkers most of the time.
Just, if you don't like what you see in the game atm. Take a little break, still almost 3 weeks to launch and final changes
Chin up mate and have a good day!
mighty gulch
I think i'll just wait, yeah, thanks.
last mason
how much haste do you guys have
and also, you can block cleave on shrine second boss right
undone sun
crimson mulch
it's a frontal it's still going to stun you so just sidestep it
if you're close in you barely have to move
modern brook
and also, you can block cleave on shrine second boss right
@last mason theres a spot you can hold them thay keeps them from doing the cleave iirc. It might be the circles though idr. I also dont know where it is. But I had a tank in a boost do it once
novel ruin
@sweet summit I did my first warrior key of prepatch. I miss Clap spam but ravager is YUGE
still pagoda
👆
obsidian cairn
Can someone gimme a quick run down of new talents new stats to stack and the playstyle feels kinda the same but what do Ik.
brittle owl
jagged pier
obsidian cairn
k checking the 📌 's
sweet summit
@novel ruin 
orchid frigate
so if you play with your static m+ group and forget one of the pillars. is it just you as a tank who should remember those things or is the the collective group who should?
jagged pier
I dunno pretty hard to miss a pillar unless you gunna skip it anyway imo
honest plinth
oh. it is possible if you are new or at the start of the season
i forgot blob in sob few times
orchid frigate
i forget the fear one in freehold from time to time
orchid frigate
dunno, think route making is something for the whole group to think of when you run with a static group
orchid frigate
hehe
jagged pier
route making might be a static groups job, but in the dungeon a tank still leads the way and pulls etc
orchid frigate
kk fair
jagged pier
so its lands more on you if you miss a pillar,
but the dps can always say youve missed it
orchid frigate
yeah
jagged pier
but dps are mongos so its not their fault
orchid frigate
we died?! friggin noob tank
honest plinth
forgot to tell you i have 4 target capped aoe
strong forum
I often forget fearboi in FH
Recently did that in FH 25 I think
We managed to kill boss with both pillars but still quite the MonkaS
strong forum
We clear all the way usually
But that was before you had to clear all the last boss' area
honest plinth
i mean its bette to kill pack before last right now
strong forum
Yeah now
strong forum
But it's only 20 days until SL, don't know if I'll ever see FH ever again
honest plinth
ye thats true
vocal skiff
I often forget tank buster in WM lol
scarlet sparrow
Any other protties ignoring the unfun spear of Bastion and going Necrolords?
sweet summit
how is chucking a MASSIVE SPEAR AT YOUR FOES unfun?
modern brook
Because u have to be apart of the lamest faction WoW writers ever came up with
scarlet sparrow
Throwing weapons has been done... pretty meh imhi
modern brook
congrats u have alliance Lite. exactly what i wanted.
scarlet sparrow
#bannerlyfe
sweet summit
banner is dumb fight me
scarlet sparrow
Spear and Kyrian are dumb
scarlet sparrow
Literally ugliest plate set
brittle owl
you throw that fucker bodies start dropping
jagged pier
how the fuk is banner fun
brittle owl
looks better than janky boneyard DIY necro mog
jagged pier
and shitty buff that only works if you stay in the circle
on a 3 min cd
I can get 2 nightfaes or 3 spears in that time
which both give rage
are fun to use
and better in everyway
scarlet sparrow
How is defending AND buffing allies unfun?
jagged pier
2 allies? so useful
brittle owl
i guess adding 0.01% to 2 people is technically a buff
imma defemd my allies
by killing their enemies faster
modern brook
"dyi" made me laugh lol
brittle owl
imma make the red HP go down faster than the green one does
scarlet sparrow
If you wanna kill shit quick don't roll prot. Prot should be about defense
jagged pier
XD
modern brook
SMH prot should not be about defense
jagged pier
does loads of damage if played right while being strongest mitigation tank at the same time
should be about defense my arse more armour than a paladin and druid when we have with nothing up
modern brook
100% of prot game play should be the shield execute animation from skyrim
brittle owl
🚪
scarlet sparrow
I'm not arguing that Jake, I'm arguing that the concept should be is prot about defense imho
jagged pier
im saying it is in general anyway
like it just is
defensive you dont need to do anything it just passivly is about defence
and does alot of damage
scarlet sparrow
I took the more defensive talent route and still do high dps anyway lol. Don't really need more tbh
jagged pier
and anyway if you want it to be about defence you dont take banner its the least defensive of all the covenant abilities
strong forum
Dps you can always get to do more
What's the point or surviving super hard
Ykno
"yeah look at me I survived 2x better than you did" doesn't really work :D
modern brook
health is a resource
jagged pier
and more defensive talent build whats that atm in pre patch our most defensive setup is our high damage apart from AM or bolster
modern brook
and also your healers problem, if we're being honest
jagged pier
@modern brook true but rage gen is better
and as banner is 3 mins vs ither 1.5 mins rage gen or 1 min rage gen
you get far more defensive benefit out of nightfae or kyrian
scarlet sparrow
I have more than enough rage gen but w/e
jagged pier
^^
scarlet sparrow
I am :p
strong forum
Just know that it's just objectively worse
jagged pier
but ive played with its actual trash
sweet summit
why does everything turn into an argument here
modern brook
what else will we do its prepatch
sweet summit
sleep
strong forum
Can't sleep. I'm working
scarlet sparrow
Not really an argument :)
brittle owl
you're an argument @sweet summit