THAT BEING SAID
#protection
uneven mason
You're crittable/crushable as arms/fury in live
in classic if you have SB up you push crit/crush off the hit table, but we have a 2 roll system now
uneven mason
I Mean, thats literally it for spot tanking.
if you're Main tanking thats a diff setup
brittle owl
i mean for spot tanking
uneven mason
you'll be DW tanking anyway in classic most situations
brittle owl
just gotta not get globaled
healer's have nothing else to do but dump heals on tanks anyway
uneven mason
yeah
brittle owl
almos 0 aoe damage, and they do 0 damage with their kit as well
cosmic canyon
if you cap all bfa reputations before SL, you reckon it will be a solid push of quick exp at launch?
brittle owl
you mean paragon chests?
cosmic canyon
y
brittle owl
🤷♂️
it's gonna be something
wether it turns out to be 5 mins of questing or 2 hours, who knows
cosmic canyon
Very nice Borat
brittle owl
🔮
strong forum
c b a
You gotta play through all of the zones anyway
So if you get 60 at the start of revendreth or end
Really doesn't change anything
jagged pier
you dont even get to max just doing the campaign atm 😦
strong forum
You mean 3 weeks ago
jagged pier
xp is so scuffed it was fine first time around
strong forum
Or did you recently level
jagged pier
they changed it again
strong forum
In the past 5 days
strong forum
Yeah
Because obv it was way too little from the previous ultra nerf
But it's not at where it was before the initial squish
jagged pier
it still doesnt work,
jagged pier
how can I assume before the change you didnt reach max, as you got a 40% exp buff on beta and still didnt get there
then they increased the amount of xp you needed to reach 60
and onlu increased the amount you got from kills
not quests
or anything else
still not enough
strong forum
Before the 50% nerf you didn't reach max yes, you reached like 58.5.
jagged pier
yes and they never buffed it from there they just changed it
strong forum
Then last week they increased to like a net -20% nerf
Yeah it was a huge bandaid over nerf fix
I myself haven't tested anything past 52 yet. Maybe I'll enmasse some 'tism powers this weekend
cosmic canyon
I guess they want people to test the quests & find 'that side' of the room in order to go to the next wall, and balancing it with perspective
jagged pier
it was fine the first time around
cosmic canyon
off to work, ttyl.
brittle owl
i'm assuming they're gonna go for a 6-14 hour leveling experience for SL
like they did for legion and WOD, more or less
would fit with the 1-50 leveling rate as well
20-30 hours for max level is "reasonable"
actually am p sure speed levelers will get 1-60 down to below 10 hours
jagged pier
if it took you 14 hours in wod and legion to lvl your doing somthing wrong
jagged pier
yer but thats the point of alot of ppl you didnt need to do everything not even every zone to get to max lvl
now its like you have to do the main campaign and alot of side zones
brittle owl
depends how fast you wanna level
if you wanna take your time and shit and "take it in" it'll be extra hours
especially the case when scaling wasnt around
since i, myself, would just finish a zone before moving to the next, doing green quests as a result and wasting time essentially
on the first time leveling
but if you speed level you're done in an evening
jagged pier
look I will go and do lore master on my char at the start but, and this is my opinion. but in SL you have to do the main campaign in all the zones to actually do end game, so that should get you to 60
not everyone lvls the same
brittle owl
you have a more tailored experienced in SL yes
but the question is, will they keep the model of doing the campaing as the minimum for 60?
or do you need to do some side shit too
jagged pier
yes probably
as it sets up all the covenants for the max lvl story
and its the other thing they havent changed in the lvling you having to do all the main campaigns in the zones to unlock end game
kindred crypt
level 41/50 leveling sucks D:
uneven mason
in BFA yes
kindred crypt
I do try wotlk like you told xD
uneven mason
Oh, are you dungeon running?
kindred crypt
kind of
uneven mason
COuld be I'm biased since I have the WOtlk dungeons engraved in my brain
kindred crypt
I am not only, why?
uneven mason
🤷♂️ Dungeons are generally the fastest way to lvel as prot
kindred crypt
yeah but its boring as heck
strong forum
I mean that's just leveling
Can't remember the last time I enjoyed leveling :empty:
Was prolly tbc / wrath
open monolith
So do most people go Ravager + Bolster for m+?
open monolith
What about more casual keys
jagged pier
havent minded it in pre patch tbh go fury get crusdar on both my weps oneshot everything as its still gives 100 strength
strong forum
For lower keys it's irrelevant what you run
open monolith
Gotcha
strong forum
Assmuning you don't suck
100str 
Isnt that kinda giga viable even at max level
Or is it level capped
jagged pier
crusadr is lvl capped
strong forum
F
open monolith
Prot needs the "heroic leap has 2 charges" talent
Need to increase my chain pulling prowess
kindred crypt
but man, am I doing something wrong or are the level dungeons scaled bs?
open monolith
Vulpera racial is so trash :((
strong forum
Vulpera racial is bis wdym
kindred crypt
Vulpera racial is so trash :((
but.... D:
the racial is one of the reasons I was thinking it is good for tanking d:
D:
open monolith
Stop memeing or I might just reroll into a cute little fox girl
strong forum
Like no cap, it's one of the strongest for tanking
open monolith
....srsly
strong forum
Yes
uneven mason
Nom likes furrys
strong forum
I'm not wrong in saying that vulpera racial is very strong for m+
uneven mason
Is why they be in Guardian all the day
strong forum
You can hate the looks as much as you want
open monolith
Doesn't it just lower the damage on the first hit a little bit?
uneven mason
thats pretty impressive for a big pull
strong forum
In my keys it does 140k+ healing
brittle owl
you're a fucking furry
strong forum
Theres no downside
brittle owl
can you live with yourself
uneven mason
you're a fucking furry
@brittle owl This
solar crown
Thought hm taurens were bis?
open monolith
But bag of tricks is so bad
uneven mason
Orc
strong forum
No
uneven mason
WHy would anyone be anything but a femorc
open monolith
Fem troll
uneven mason
especially with the new customization
strong forum
Tiny > big
brittle owl
no
strong forum
Hate playing big races
open monolith
Pretty > any racial. Fem Troll best horde race with new customization
strong forum
Factually || suck my 
||
honest plinth
you think they know but they dont
open monolith
But real men play alliance anyway
topaz pewter
Yes
honest plinth
thats true
open monolith
Night Elf lady prot for me
strong forum
For me? Its dwarf
open monolith
Yes yes, anti bleed, blah blah
open monolith
I just want to be pretty
open monolith
Dark Iron looks amazing
topaz pewter
That is very wrong
honest plinth
loot at me . best race idd
strong forum
How can 1 person be so wrong
brittle owl
don't hate me cuz you ain't me
topaz pewter
Worgen>everything else
strong forum
Tauren? Trash.
Orc? Trash.
Undead? Trash.
grand drum
Elves>all else
strong forum
Worgen? Trash animations.
topaz pewter
Best animations
open monolith
That's a solid looking dwarf
brittle owl
it's ok to be utterly, horribly wrong and have bad taste
lavish oracle
Dwarves are cool, it's just too bad they're alliance
open monolith
Now make it dark iron so it's even better
brittle owl
Dwarves are cool, it's just too bad they're alliance
facts
open monolith
Everyone knows the top guilds are all going to go Alliance for dwarf racial for the first raid tier
strong forum
Remove factions
brittle owl
dorfs should be a separate faction
strong forum
Kthx
brittle owl
so should undead
strong forum
Or that
Lemme be dwarf only faction
So I can stop associating with all the non dwarfs
open monolith
I would be fine with a betrayal quest line to allow you to switch factions
But ideally just get rid of factions
brittle owl
dorf faction, elf faction, undead faction, beast faction, human factoon
shit
just make wow 2 warhammer
lavish oracle
Hey, if there's a meaningful shift in player base in Shadowlands, I'll swap
brittle owl
MAKE WOW WARHAMMER AGAIN
lavish oracle
But I don't think it'll happen
open monolith
brittle owl
also delete pandas
open monolith
Yes
lavish oracle
Waiting for when Blizzard decides to get rid of factions
open monolith
Pandas suck
honest plinth
idk i dont like dark iron dwarfs. they are not natural. like magic creatures
strong forum
Dwarfs aren't natural
As they are handmade by the titans.
Or if you wanna go to silmarillion. Made in secret before iluvatar could create humans
strong forum
DIGGY DIGGY HOLE
brittle owl
DIGGY DIGGY HOLE
strong forum
DIGGING A HOLE
brittle owl
rigid edge
What did I run into
ionic fern
sweet summit
my goals are beyond your understanding 
ionic fern
Ngl i've been very busy so not much time for SIMC. 👀
I bought a bike so i've been winterizing that.
Should be done after this weekend so back to finalizing SIMC then.
ionic fern
Wdym?
Theoretically the bike? I think it was 260 km/h
sweet summit
ionic fern
100%.
Red is the fastest color.
wary beacon
have u guyz had any prob with the 3rd boss of tos? the galvanitz guy? the pillers stacks dmg is way to high or wat?...
mellow patio
Yes he fucks
wary beacon
21+
mellow patio
But you must persevere
sweet summit
he does fuck
wary beacon
any tricks to that fucker?
sweet summit
dont soak more than one pillar each, let stacks reset before taking another
have lust ready
hope healer can pump
wary beacon
but even 1 piller still will kill u
sweet summit
not if the healer heals 🤔
sweet summit
pugs or premade?
wary beacon
pugs 😛
sweet summit
:/
strong forum
We did it at 24/25 so, defo a healer issue
strong forum
Could take like 2-3 pillars as tank
wary beacon
lol
strong forum
Sometimes at the same time
wary beacon
ya only the tank could soak like 2 i saw
rigid edge
Warrior best healer in the game
undone sun
i miss topping HPS meters with Mannoroths and Inspiring presence
civic rover
i miss not needing hps meters
topaz ember
undone sun
Legion was peak
last mason
literally, for nearly every aspect of the game
limpid pawn
how often are you guys kiting in higher keys now
civic rover
im doing 20s-25s without kiting unless the healer dies or i'll be out of blocks for longer than like three or four seconds
muted wedge
is there any quote on when he the deathspeakers in UR gonna cast the shadow damage debuff so i can reflect it?
last mason
what minors are you guys taking these days
muted wedge
crucicle,strife,aegis
onyx vessel
Crucible for raid
maiden ravine
bursting is negligible to me until 7 stacks, then it suddenly gets very dangerous
hallow phoenix
It's apparently capped at +15 damage. Not sure if that's a bug or not but my group was rolling bursting like crazy with no issues
strong forum
Intended for pre-patch
hallow phoenix
So in SL it will keep scaling past +15?
strong forum
🔮
hallow phoenix
New volcanic is fun too. Our DH dashed off the bridge area in atal and used volcanic to get back up
steep bone
I need ideas of keybinds on keyboard only, my mmo mouse broke and im stuck with logitech g pro wireless, just 2 buttons under thumb
still pagoda
hallow phoenix
ESDF to move.
1-6
AQWRTGV
Shift modifiers
~ is my special action button
steep bone
I will never change myself to use other buttons than wasd to move 😭
hallow phoenix
RIP
steep bone
and thanks @still pagoda
Might aswell cancel sub as it ends in 60h and just don't play until i get new one aka when sl is 100% set on release
xD
hallow phoenix
So then QERTFC and 1-5 with shift should all be comfortable to reach.
That's 22 bindings. Bind charge and intervene to mouse wheel and you need about 22 key bindings for spells. If you have a racial or essence to cast then you'll need another key, and ~, 6, z, x are all available
hallow phoenix
ESDF is master race and wasd is handicapping yourself
hallow phoenix
It's literally the typing position
hallow phoenix
steep bone
mmo mouse > esdf to move
still pagoda
SC2 unit-specific keybinds gang
brittle owl
still pagoda
hallow phoenix
Foot pedals when
jagged pier
I would never use an mmo mouse I fell I would get too attached to it, ill happly still with my mouse with 2 buttons for the thumb thats enough
brittle owl
🤜
steep bone
I would never use an mmo mouse I fell I would get too attached to it, ill happly still with my mouse with 2 buttons for the thumb thats enough
@jagged pier I just used mmo mouse for mmo games and other one for everything else
jagged pier
I've had friends where they couldnt go back to keyboard after mmo mouse thats all
so Im never gunna buy one
brittle owl
whatever happened to good ol piano hands
steep bone
mmo mouse for wow is so good
brittle owl
all you weak wrist betas cucking yourselves
still pagoda
whatever happened to good ol piano hands
@brittle owl
My hands are still piano hands
brittle owl
with ease of access and ergonomy lmao
hallow phoenix
Both hands on keyboard and tab target everything?
still pagoda
i find mmo mouse a total wrist fuck
easy to misclick no matter the size of your fingers
brittle owl
kinda sorta depends on forearm position
still pagoda
Both hands on keyboard and tab target everything?
@hallow phoenix
E A S Y
brittle owl
still inferior to pure unadulterated finger dexterity
steep bone
what if you click everything?
still pagoda
though i've been tab targeting ever since Legion outside of focus stuff and prio interrupts
brittle owl
then you deserve to play 1.1
hallow phoenix
I know some 5k io prot pal that clicks everything
hallow phoenix
No idea how
jagged pier
my issue is I use control for push to talk so I miss out on all thoughs keybindings 😢
brittle owl
real chad tbh
still pagoda
T as push to talk
brittle owl
chaddest move is getting to front page io/wcl
still pagoda
easy
brittle owl
and just click shit
hallow phoenix
T is for throw
steep bone
@jagged pier i just use `~ this one
steep bone
but its for mute mic/unmute
jagged pier
yer thats on the wrong side of the keyboard
brittle owl
shift T being shattering throw makes sense
steep bone
config your mic so it doesn't pick unnesesary sound and have it on all the time
steep bone
bind capslock into something
hallow phoenix
Caps used to be my push to talk button
Because I didn't want to use a modifier key for it
SO I ENDED UP TALKING LIKE THIS A LOT IN CHAT
steep bone
rebind capslock so it works as something that you'll never use like home or end button
200IQ
hallow phoenix
If I ever have a mouse with no side buttons I will do that
cinder roost
wdym never use, Home is my bags, End is Worldmap 😄
But I'm also a special case when it comes to bindings
cinder roost
I play with numpad and click half my stuff, don't judge me
F*ck CTRL mod and co, we have war brain after all
hallow phoenix
How do you feel about Shift?
cinder roost
It shifted away from me
I admit I could use 2-3 more binds, but there's no space nearby
hallow phoenix
If I was a druid I would macro shift to /castrandom form1,form2,form3,...
cinder roost
Too bad we don't have stances anymore
hallow phoenix
Arms has dstance
Where is my prot battle stance so I can run lucid major and execute spam at 20%
cinder roost
Battle stance is for the weaks, berserk stance for more rage is where the deeps at
hallow phoenix
I would welcome that change
cinder roost
Kinda sad they removed the rage part from Berserker rage
jagged pier
nah that was 2 piece tos im sure of it as I ran 2 x 2 for a while
hallow phoenix
Ah
jagged pier
which was the ss reset and the zerker rage gen
hallow phoenix
Still peak prot war
What even was antorus 4 piece then
Running the walls fell with shield slam reset was so much fun
jagged pier
Blocking an attack increases the value of an existing Ignore Pain effect by (Attack power * 4).
that was 4 piece
hallow phoenix
No wonder I didn't remember it
alpine stag
Any thing Shattering throw could be used against in BFA dungeons ? 😛
maybe last boss shrine XD
alpine stag
they can be purged tho
alpine stag
get a shaman 😛
strong forum
Emphasis on aoe purges
alpine stag
Ye i knw
hallow phoenix
When your priest gets mind controlled and casts PW:S
Same with immunities of party members if they're too dumb to pre-cast them on trio in wcm
honest plinth
you mean not experienced
sweet summit
Nah dont make them precast immunities, they might be needed during the fight.
What i do is tell them to stand in melee, then i shockwave as soon as MC is there then follow up with storm bolt. MC should be broken by then and no immunities wastef
steep bone
I gotta RMA memory ;_; i just bought gpu, rip no pc for atleast 2 weeks
honest plinth
dangerous strat
steep bone
if pre cast immunities do it even sooner - so you have it ready right after first mc happens than just before encounter starts, on some weeks having immunity or some hard cd is good to have on that fight.
honest plinth
well we have few routes
ad you need to know trash timer clean very well
to pre cast it in random place before fight
steep bone
if you have done it many times you already know +/- when you're gonna do pull
that is in premades or higher keys
on lower does not matter at all since that fuckup not gonna wipe
honest plinth
in higher keys it makes sense if tank is your friend
so semi pug
or full prem idd
hardy fractal
do you guys use heart of darkness for prot
sweet summit
ya its good
wary beacon
hmm guyz what rio score from prev season will show up on shadowlands? the prepatch score or s4 score?
wary beacon
cool so its still good to pump the score now
wary beacon
true
maiden ravine
Hey, prot warriors still more popular than bears. 😈
chilly brook
Oof
wary beacon
priest are good if the ppl know how to play them now
specialy for this week
MD is OP and a blessing
chilly brook
Just 4 dps with a pally tank ez
modern brook
Get this pally talk outa here smh
maiden ravine
Shiny shield is too gaudy compared to gritty shield
last mason
how often have you guys actually been using execute
sweet summit
as soon as i can 
modern brook
Honestly in prepatch i spam the shit out of it
i imagine in SL it'll be less ideal; something to do when off tanking mostly
modern brook
yah the question just becomes is it still worth the rage spent when we dont have bfa stat ratios
I think it very well could tbh. Dont have beta though so
uneven mason
how often have you guys actually been using execute
@last mason yell for a pain supression and slap hard
strong forum
Stats don't change anything really
maiden ravine
Just go condemn so it becomes defensive. 😛
glad sparrow
Run indomitable and lucid dreams (BFA) turns you into a knock off DK.
strong forum
Well you obv run indom
And in SL you get scuffed Lucid through Last Stand Conduit
Which is perfect for execute spam
Cuz it's 15sec of block and big rage gen
honest plinth
so as i predicted event will start 11th nov for eu. huge brain here.
muted wedge
when should i start using lucid major over vop?
last mason
You don’t really, feedback loop was what made lucid good
Now you get a lot less value from it
last mason
Because they’re used to it still
For the most part you get more out of vop rn
And it’s not necessarily bad, just not as good as it was
cosmic canyon
will "Iron Maiden" refund a shield block charge 100% of the time when you use Revenge on the max rank?
"Fueled by Violence" looks very strong as well
sweet summit
believe iron maiden is 10% at max rank
cosmic canyon
ah seems reasonable. the numbering on wowhead is just off by one
still really stronk
shut summit
Ya
sweet summit
shows how much attention i pay to beta rn :/
shut summit
Fueled by violence is pretty bad
(for the first tier at least, where rank7 is max conduit avail iirc?)
autumn pendant
@sweet summit baddie
sweet summit
sowwy
novel ruin
hello friends, we cry on this day
autumn pendant
Ignore pain
sweet summit
thats funny
novel ruin
the jailer did say sacrifices were gonna have to be made
autumn pendant
No u
sweet summit
autumn pendant
😊
void plaza
maiden ravine
I feel so bad for guilds trying for world 10-50
maiden ravine
Wish blizzard would be consistent on when they release new raids after delaying 8.3 cause of Christmas
jolly granite
Release is fine. No one is forced to player over the holidays. I don’t get all these people complaining. They always find something to criticise...
undone sun
my complaint is that it's either forcing blizz employees to work on two major US holidays, or 3 days after launch to have an empty office to ignore bugs
mortal adder
Hello all.
sick sentinel
I am sure the employees will be rewarded with plenty Honor points for their efforts
or whatever currency they pay
final mist
just don't raid 4head no one is forcing you to
grizzled forge
Baby bonding time boyz easy 7 weeks off
Just gotta have your kid at the right time
open monolith
I've taken a "lol raiding sucks" approach since Legion and I haven't enjoyed WoW this much since early Wrath
Getting away from the "obligation" of WoW felt so good. Now I just focus on mythic plus pugs or with friends whenever I fancy. F R E E D O M
storm crater
@open monolith I'm not sure if I read that right but you find mythic plus pugging fun?
open monolith
Well, obviously I prefer with friends, but my friends and I are all adults with jobs and families, so we don't get to play together often
And I have learned to enjoy pugging, yes. I usually pug my +15 in the first few weeks
Sometimes you learn to enjoy the things others don't when you have no other options
jagged pier
didnt know this was possible
atomic rampart
isn´t speed always on them ? so leech is the only roll ?
hallow phoenix
Those gloves always have speed
cosmic canyon
leech is useless
undone sun
🆒
hallow phoenix
Recently I've been running lucid in m+ so I can roleplay as an arms warrior and lucid + ravager + execute spam for the big dam and big heals
On bosses
sand condor
i remember when people said leech was worth 10 item levels
sand condor
don;t we all
strong forum
To each their own
Power to you if you can pull through and properly quit
Blizz is doing a great job at making people turn away from tanking.
Keeps nerfing them, scared to get a legion 2.0 where tanks were almost 100% self sustaining or mop where tanks would top dps meters.
honest plinth
Well the main reason im still here is my friends.
strong forum
Ontop of the increasing burden that is m+ tanking
still pagoda
burnout from having to switch guilds and not having a stable place
relatable...
again
this is just a game
no need to be mad or anything
people come, people go
it's all part of the flow
honest plinth
What a poem :)
sick sentinel
I even didn't do a +15 last week on my warrior which is something I did literal every week no matter what but I've just lost the will to play more than like a 0 on alts now
honest plinth
Well man its mmo, you need some ppl around you, some friends you can talk about everything while doing some shit etc
sick sentinel
Thanks to everyone who has helped in the past though. I appreciate you all
still pagoda
Good luck!
honest plinth
Ye gl man, but you will come back maybe who knows. Wow is a fucking drug.
sick sentinel
Good luck to you as well friends!
honest plinth
🥺
shut summit
👋
chilly brook
Social burnout in wow is the worst
modern brook
High key: rn is a bad time to determine if you actually like the game. Everything is fake, nothing matters, and playing is mostly a time killer than anything else.
take a break, if you already pre ordered SL check it out when it comes out
rigid edge
I've had issues finding a nice guild as well, it seems a lot harder now a days than before in my opinion, everyone segregates more... and then take the game way too seriously
rigid edge
Very true
turbid cargo
Yeeep
modern brook
damn ppl still have raidnights
turbid cargo
long as people show up and want to raid, we'll have them
last mason
is mythic argus soloable
modern brook
is mythic argus soloable
@last mason It'd be a slog
first boss in antorus takes like 4 minutes solo
run with 4 people its down in 30s
theres usually mog runs on tuesdays that take like 30 minutes total, most of it is walking
and eonar.
strong forum
I wouldn't think so no
You can't even solo heroic aggramar
Atleast as melee
Maybe as hunter/shaman/warlock you can
maiden ravine
Heroic kj is spicy even
I'm still bug reporting each build if legacy scaling isn't on at 60 in legion
uneven mason
@last mason Coven is near impossible unless you're a pet class since they take 99% reduced damage while within 15yards of eachother
@strong forum Why no solo Aggramar?
modern brook
add phase
I just assumed sleepy had an argus lock out he was refreshing
but dogs, coven, ag, and eonar are pissy to solo
strong forum
Too much HP
Kaze
You'll get hit with tank mechanics and just get killed
I once wiped on NM last week
maiden ravine
I hate buying headsets
modern brook
same tho
grizzled forge
cyberpunk pushed back again lawl
uneven mason
@strong forum That's hilarious to me seeing as how I used to solo soak the whole combo on heroic as prot back in Legion
maiden ravine
There's only a 10x modifier at 60 in legion which is what we have now at 50 from the squish
And well unless you bring out your heart and azerite, that'll be less damage than we do at 50 right now haha
maiden ravine
Ah, I'm just going off me doing like 1.5k on 50 chars and about 10-15k on legion bosses is where I got my numbers
I'll double check when I get home but currently the damage modifier in legion content is the same at 50 and 60
maiden ravine
Yeah. I don't get it. Abilities appear to scale about 7-8x at 50 but only 3-4x at 60. Unless hunter has some modifier I'm missing.
maiden ravine
Okay, so two warriors just for ease of simplicity. Bloodthirst tool tip 1244 at lvl60 171 ilvl. Average non crit hit on a legion boss 3900. With 20% pve armor that's about a 4x multiplier. On level 50 warrior 113 ilvl cause I took the heart off. 683 on bloodthirst tool tip, average hit 5200.
strong forum
that seems fucky
like, in SL i expect to solo BFA raids
and breeze through Legion Raids on all difficulties
will prolly be fixed during launch
nothing of concern for beta i reckon
vivid orchid
Well legion raids will generally be made soloable (imonar), and we also get legacy damage scaling
Bfa just depends on power scaling
strong forum
well...
he just tested it on beta
and scaling isnt working properly
and we already have legacy scaling for legion in BFA
not a very powerful one, but we do
vivid orchid
Not exactly enough really
vivid orchid
But I guess the squish messed with their formula
maiden ravine
There may well be some funky stuff going on with the tooltip math I suppose. But I can't quite jive a level 60 with higher value tooltip hitting for less against a lower level target. Like the ratio is the same for the trash too. So it's not some boss tag funky
vivid orchid
Yeah something clearly wrong with the zone scale factor
maiden ravine
I mean it's only crazies like me that are super excited about soloing mythic legion stuff fast for transmog, but meh
I also learned that scrolling combat text is synced up to animations but combat log tracks it instantly
vocal skiff
are people pulling the small blobs in JY alone these days because of bursting?
vocal skiff
Wouldn't it be alright to combine it at least with a couple of elementals and that one that stuns in a channel?
They are all non threatening if people are paying attention
maiden ravine
all depends on if your healer can handle a 7 bursting stack
limpid pawn
haven't tried it yet,but are you able to transmog dual wield into like a staff/artifact weapon
or do they not let you
maiden ravine
only if it's your spec's artifact
buoyant patrol
heys guys, how do you handle high key KR? I did a 25 and just got destroyed by the bleeds and the bolts
I guess for the bolts it is efficient kicks But how do you deal with the bleeds from berserker?
And Zul on Fortified I guess is BL mandatory no?
Just timed a WM 24 and it became a KR 26 so trying to get ready for next run xD
sweet summit
kicks and cc for bolts
bleeds, get a pet/someone with a big defensive to soak it
lust on zul is a must on higher keys
lucid major helps a lot against zul too
buoyant patrol
sounds good thanks erga
yeah i figured it was a general problem of CC on bolts and the bleeds can't be only something i Do
fierce halo
the leech on lucid major got hella scaled, was 40% before patch now like 9% IIRC 🤮
strong forum
yup
honest plinth
@buoyant patrol be a Dwarf 😄
limpid pawn
Passive leech on gear giga
sweet summit
stun and walk away from the berserker as he wants to cast it
alpine stag
I’m finding I am much more tanky in 27 keys with never surrender as opposed to indomitable. Perhaps the passive 10% leech on my gear makes up for a bit of indomitables self healing
Those giga ignore pains
Sometimes get a 30k ignore pain
Feels good
sweet summit
coral jasper
Good WA to let you know when a haeler defensive is on you? Please @ me if you have one 🙂
sweet summit
https://wago.io/4J8ChnHOM @coral jasper
proven breach
TY too 🙂 was looking at a few that are party cooldowns as well picking one
half rampart
Would world questing/leveling on Arms using a 1h and shield be worth the effort or is it better to stick with the survivability/large world pulls of Prot?
The prot damage just feels a bit low at times and wondering if maybe swapping to Arms outside of group content would be wise
sweet summit
if you play arms, you use a twohander
both are good, just play whatever you want
leveling is pretty fast now anyway
half rampart
Im aware that Arms uses twohanders. Was just wondering seeing as Mortal Strike is the only 2h requirement skill if using my Prot gear on Arms would work out.
Like when I say speed i mean more moment to moment encounters feeling slow/sluggish on Prot Warr compared to other tanks.
sweet summit
🤷♀️
compact tulip
If you're able to pull a decent amount of mobs constantly, just stay prot and aoe them down if your arms damage isn't high enough to kill something and heal from victory rush between finishing them off. If not, just go arms and kill things rather quickly but, less mobs. Play how you want to and what's most fun for you, i suppose
half rampart
Mhm gotcha, I understand its a weird pull for retail WoW, I just saw Shield Slam on Arms and went 🤔
sweet summit
yeah its bad dont use it as arms
compact tulip
That's simply just because all warriors got it baseline, but doesn't mean it's good, you'd be very slow as arms with 1h+shield
half rampart
Aye aye o7
Thankyou for feedback
open monolith
man this discord is so much more chill than the mage discord.
You get instantly shit on for saying anything close to "do what is most fun"
strong forum
cuz we still remember that a game is played for fun
also tanks arent as black and white as dps
theres no 100% true answer to everything
because its not just "lmao do what does most dps"
open monolith
I remember the good old days of "I am overgeared for this raid. I need to remove my pants to get rage."
brittle owl
because its not just "lmao do what does most dps"
@strong forum what do you mean
ofc it is
last mason
any of you actually use compendiums in high keys
sweet summit
I dont
strong forum
vita is still better tbh
if you have it socketed
cuz its baseline 40+ haste
- 15% uptime on 240+ haste + granting your party member some haste too
compendium stacks you lose between packs and then it needs to ramp up again to 4 stacks
its less/equal haste as Vita until 3 stacks
and getting to 3+ stacks is not 100% to get in a few globals, sometimes it takes quite a while
last mason
what are you using besides vita then, scale/shell?
last mason
is mdt automatically using dratnos routes now?
maiden ravine
It might be
cosmic canyon
When my ui got rinsed after corrupt files, reinstalling mdt= that did not happen. Its all empty
grand drum
any way to get rid of the shapes that automatically pop up in MDT after you click on a pack?
sweet summit
Idk i think its cool
open monolith
I'd rather be a blue mormon than a dead druid anyway
Wow kyrian abilities look awesome.
sand condor
that's the spear right
sweet summit
ye
brisk sparrow
the inscription "caster" trinket seems to performing quite well, for melee specs also - is it as broken for prot aswell?
just dps wise
sweet summit
its solid, lots of haste
brisk sparrow
im still debating between heroic titanshard, mythic dragonscale and the inscription one...for fury and arms it even outsims the mythic razor coral for me, which seems insane^^
sweet summit
deep wounds procs it for arms
but only essence procs procs it for fury, so it kinda oversims for fury
brisk sparrow
oh okay thank you^^
still pagoda
its solid, lots of haste
@sweet summit
Ffs, you're changing my plans right there
oh
or are you talking of bfa trinkets?
oh
nvm
sweet summit
what
woven trellis
hi everyone
so
5 days into the easiest week of prepatch we still notice loads of differents builds between protwarriors eh
i find myself having hard time to take dmg input once i move into 27s key
so im wondering what i could change
ive seen warrior getting haste socket instead of versatility, getting rid of Lucid dream major for CnS again
I also have a lil trouble with aggro sometimes
sweet summit
honestly i just go VoP major, the rest feels unnecessary. aggro issues? just use revenge more
woven trellis
i see some warrior socketing haste, i was wondering if its because they have huge leech
like femclap using CnS+ haste sockets could let me think ihe just want to leech why zoning the mob
sweet summit
you socket haste because thats our best stat and has always been that way (except vers stack degenerate shit poop with corruptions)
woven trellis
well, top protwarrior still socket versatility
so im not sure its that obvious in higher key where dmg input is high, answer isnt Haste is best or Versa is best, im more looking for opinion in, what your gameplay should be to survive if u go full haste socket and what ur build and gameplay should be if u stay with versa
sweet summit
3 out of top 5 are socketing haste 🤔
woven trellis
if u look at top 20 its a different story
and still 2 over 5 use versa
and as i said, they look more encline to socket haste if they have leech
which would make a lot of sense
since i dont have any leech
sweet summit
i dont see how that makes sense :/
woven trellis
well heal input from leech will be smoothed up
open monolith
moar haste = moar rage = moar mitigation
woven trellis
i dont want to try vers
im using vers
im considering going back to haste
tbh i dont rly like any of the major essence and have huge trouble deciding what to pick
mellow patio
|| vers is for nerds ||
undone sun
what a coincidence, you're a nerd too
still pagoda
mellow patio
Never used vers in my life don’t you accuse me of being a beta
sweet summit
not into the fray
woven trellis
god
is there anyone that has actual argument and tried those things and want to put some details? into the fray has been chosen by several good warrior tank as well, and dont forget than passed the initial 15sec after u cast ravager u have a 15 second where into the fray is going to generate more rage
im not asking for black and white choices here
i just want some thinking
sweet summit
ye ravager is more rage than into the fray, and with gathering storm its a mini defensive CD too
mellow patio
Why are you so grumpy lmao
woven trellis
idk, its difficult choices, prepatch isnt long, it seems a bit weird to me to just yell something is straight better than something else independantly of someone build, gameplay and context
it seems off to me
it doesnt feel like its actually going to help
grand drum
Ravager is big pump and itf is nerfed to 10% with diminishing returns its not as good as it used to be
still pagoda
is there anyone that has actual argument and tried those things and want to put some details? into the fray has been chosen by several good warrior tank as well, and dont forget than passed the initial 15sec after u cast ravager u have a 15 second where into the fray is going to generate more rage
@woven trellis
ItF got nerfed pretty hard on top of now being in the same row as overbuffed ravager(and for a good reason it is overbuffed. Finally a good pick since ToS arms).
The whole problem is in nerf and stat DR's that kick off at 30% haste
and ItF also has a weird formula that renders it even worse with stat dr's
namely the way it applies its "10%" haste
sharp night
stat DRs do not apply to flat percentage buffs
it only applies to rating
and haste is another exception to that in that any buff that provides flat haste is multiplicative
still pagoda
as it is (1+%haste*0.01) * 1.1
woven trellis
<The whole problem is in nerf and stat DR's that kick off at 30% haste< that would be a pretty damn good reason to stack versa instead of haste if u already have 30% then
still pagoda
30%-34% is only 10% dr
woven trellis
< stat DRs do not apply to flat percentage buffs< and according to that it would mean, itd be better to socket versa and actually use into the fray
sharp night
no, ITF is a strict multiplier on your current haste
the more you have the better it is
woven trellis
hm k
still pagoda
dr's were introduced and ItF got gimped by that
just as there's still a good reason to go overboard with haste rating itself
while 10% dr between 30-34% is not crucial for rating, it kills ItF scaling
still pagoda
From 0 to 30%, there's no penalty.
From 30% to 39%, there's a 10% penalty.
From 39% to 47%, there's a 20% penalty.
From 47% to 54%, there's a 30% penalty.
From 54% to 66%, there's a 40% penalty.
From 66% to 126%, there's a 50% penalty.
You can't get more than 126% from gear rating.
i was mistaken a bit
but still
still pagoda
nah
you get to 30% easily with early raid gear
BfA showed it even despite lack of early stats
but now, with all 3 big stats pieces returning(helm, shoulders and chest), you will hit it much faster
woven trellis
well
if i full socket haste
i have 9
socket
i get to 36%
not more than that
whole stats are crit13%, 36% haste, 26 mastery 20 %versa
but whait, if i get 5 stack of into the fray it goes up to 50%
it doesnt seem so bad
still pagoda
but you don't get much rage gen out of it
oh
actually
@ionic fern Simc suit when?
woven trellis
why do u mean i dont get much rage gen out of haste
still pagoda
just to actually get normal mathematical data
open monolith
Ravager make bad mans die faster
still pagoda
@woven trellis just tested.
3/1/2/2/2/1/3 for ItF and 3/1/2/2/2/3/3 for Ravager
ST raid boss dummy in Dazar'alor, 2 stacks of ItF(pretty realistic for a raid encounter like mythic Skitra) and only one target for ravager.
I've got 1025 rage with ravager and 889 with aforementioned ItF
2 minutes each
rough check without accounting for errors due to procs
tbh
@ionic fern SimC when
sweet summit
soon ™️
still pagoda
i'm in no doubt ravager will beat out ItF on AoE no matter what
as you get rage for every target it hits
onyx vessel
Mwahi is just sleeping till sl
still pagoda
onyx vessel
undone sun
@ionic fern emotes when
onyx vessel
still pagoda
it feels the opposite of everything ppl here always say
@woven trellis
Tbf, feelycrafting never works
also, talking of stats
would be much more with sockets but i cba farming goddamn visions after getting 15 cloak and all achievements
onyx vessel
2 sockets
still pagoda
i've binged all my high ilvl pieces i dug out
was usually running with 5-6 before pre-patch
onyx vessel
👍
open monolith
what addon makes your character sheet all pretty?
still pagoda
ElvUI and DejaCharacterStats
woven trellis
@woven trellis just tested.
3/1/2/2/2/1/3 for ItF and 3/1/2/2/2/3/3 for Ravager
ST raid boss dummy in Dazar'alor, 2 stacks of ItF(pretty realistic for a raid encounter like mythic Skitra) and only one target for ravager.
I've got 1025 rage with ravager and 889 with aforementioned ItF
@still pagoda
what if u make rage too fast in first 10 sec but not fast enough in last 20 sec tho
cause its how ravager feels like
have rage at the right time is to take into account as well
still pagoda
well, plan around it
still pagoda
most of your rage goes into offence now anyway
woven trellis
no
aboslutely not in higher keys
IP swallows a lot
to stay alive
and with revenge it feels like u have luxury to spam Ravager + IP in beginning of the pack cause otherwise u just cap and lose rage
then later, u just lose IP too fast and dont generate enough rage
so maybe Itf is smoothing that problem a bit
still pagoda
cause its how ravager feels like
Feely crafting can stay home.
Just as you said rn, it smoothes that problem a bit
while you lose both damage and huge bursts of rage from ravager
woven trellis
anyway im just advocating the devil for now, cause for now i just play ravager
and i did a key with haste build
it felt alright
but i still play lucid dream
not sure if i should
probably essence major just depends on the key noawadays
oh well
i just realized
< ST raid boss dummy in Dazar'alor, 2 stacks of ItF(pretty realistic for a raid encounter like mythic Skitra) and only one target for ravager.<
im talking about m+ guys
idc at all about raid
so id have like Itf 5 stack almost all the time in fortified week
still pagoda
oh, another thing with M+. Frequent bursts will win it no matter what if you can and will pull around cd's of your DPS
idc at all about raid
I did this test on a dummy just because it is 3AM and i'm not going to do any keys at that time of day.
so id have like Itf 5 stack almost all the time in fortified week
Just as you would always get 300 rage per ravager cast. Net increase for both btw, even more so for ravager
chilly brook
5 stacks of ITF does not outweigh the rage gained by ravager
Period
@woven trellis
And if your problem is you have too much rage at the start of a pull because of it and not enough later....
Hold it until you need the rage 4head
Or maybe stop spamming IP so much to where you're wasting IP anyways
Just hit it to prevent capping and drive on
Lucid is also kinda booty
At least as a major
woven trellis
Hold it until you need the rage 4head
@chilly brook for real this kind of remark just make up for poor logic
chilly brook
Is it though?
chilly brook
This should be interesting
woven trellis
re
was makin herbal tea
so
lets do a comparison
imagine the 2 min trash fight is your year of rent to pay
u need to pay 100$ of rent every mont ( very cheap rent right?)
but your bank is a very very very weird bank, spooky bankd with strange rules
and they dont let u accumulate more than 200$ at a time
those cheap basterds
well, 2 month in the year
lucky u
u get that sweet contract that give u very very high salary
almost enough to pay your fucking year rent
let me finish
chilly brook
This is already super convoluted for no reason
woven trellis
u cheap basterd