I could but im not ingame and havent uploaded logs i think
#protection
sweet summit
cosmic canyon
yeah, cheers mate. np
sweet summit
Will check when i got home ig
jagged pier
ilvl>haste>somthing>somthing
cosmic canyon
Erg, you stacking haste or vers?
still pagoda
i have only 9%
tough turret
115 vita with socket or dragonscale/vial all with socket 130
sweet summit
Vita+scale is 👌
tough turret
u dont go shell and pshyic shell anymore?
sweet summit
You do if you need it
tough turret
around 22keys
sweet summit
Up to you tbh 🤷
tough turret
love vita tho
sweet summit
"Shell and psychic shell" wdym
half rapids
For leveling what's the recommended Shield Enchant?
cosmic canyon
the BFG-Laserenhanced one
half rapids
?
cosmic canyon
aren't you steaming through the levels that quickly that spending time on getting one would cost more leveling speed than just playing on without worrying about it?
onyx vessel
half rapids
They're like 200g
blissful tangle
I haven't gotten a shield drop in like 15 levels 
cosmic canyon
I mean even if you have the hairloom one, wouldnt it impose level restrictions on it?
half rapids
The enchants stop working at L50
cosmic canyon
yeah, I meant in the other end of the spectrum, if you slam it with "bis" shield enchant (whatever that is) you wouldnt be able to use it from level 1.
half rapids
Not sure why you'd think I can't use it but you can with heirloom
cosmic canyon
Considering we now stack strength whenever we can (gems etc) + the level crunch happening, has the value of mastery improved? on the margin? or still under-tuned?
Vanguard changes and so on
Force multiplier gone up as bis wep-enchant y?
mellow bridge
wait
why are people running GS now?
how does that work with prot
it works with ravager?
brittle owl
yes
modern brook
has anyone tried Worldvein stacking in dungeons yet?
sweet summit
No, sir. But ive thought about it
modern brook
Same boat tbh
seems like a lot of free mainstat, now that everyone loves mainstat again
that said, is it worth it as a major for prot war? since we dont really have space for it in the minor section
last mason
what is making compendium so strong
strong forum
the 100% uptime on its 113 haste
last mason
its simming higher than a max ilvl socketed vial
sweet summit
WV almost lines up with avatar with VoP
modern brook
everyt 4th ravager too i think
modern brook
IDK in my head you drop VoP entirely for it; run something like WV major, aegis, cns, crucible
strong forum
you either run vop major or not at all tbh
modern brook
hard agree too much value in the minors now
cosmic canyon
what kind of numbers does crucible deliver?
modern brook
Its been constently 5% of my dps on DPS specs
I dont have a recent dungeon run on prot to compare it to but i think nom linked some damage spreads a couple days ago you can probably find if he doesnt have one to share now
cosmic canyon
it also heals you from trinket procs & IP useage? or nah?
sweet summit
i believe it can proc off indom? but not IP
cosmic canyon
cause if all it does is give 5% increased damage
I suggest use Sphere of supression minor instead
uptime is huge +80 and the haste benefit both offensive and defensive
sweet summit
it did 9% in a 26 ML i did yday
cosmic canyon
aight
modern brook
yah i imgine it'll be much higher than 5% on tank specs
I just dont have any real numbers for you :^(
sweet summit
right shield block uptime. around 60% uptime from my logs 👀
modern brook
is that including bolster?
cosmic canyon
aight & Bolster uptime?
sweet summit
including last stand, as it grants shield block
cosmic canyon
sometimes they overlap, but i'm just interested in the potenital uptime
sweet summit
sounds low, i think im shit 
modern brook
Sometimes i purposefully dont refresh SB - not cause i spent all my rage on revenge, but because i want to keep my healer on his toes
honest plinth
well we need to kite more now. i think its fine
strong forum
muh cof did 7.2% in FH
sweet summit
imean when bosses hit execute you'll hear me saying "aight u have to heal, i dont have rage to spend in SB anymore" 🤷♀️
modern brook
It'll probably do closer to like 11% or so in WS or KR
its overall impact obviously goes down with thiccer pulls
sweet summit
done 6.4% in a KR i did
modern brook
How much padding did you do on slimes?
modern brook
ude my fucking ilvl 80 warlock pulled 4k on a mongo TD Pull
modern brook
its actually hilarious how good it is
sweet summit
ik its dumb, but affliction also slaps
idk whats better
ive heard aff is better from some, and destro from others
modern brook
Destro can consistently get like 7 or so infernals ina fatty pull
its basically fire mage
honest plinth
bout 35 k dps in TD on 1st pull
modern brook
yeah but nobody does fatty pulls
@strong forum they will with Warlock tbh
modern brook
I think after prepatch, aff is better tho
destro gets a lot more value out of essences than Aff does and aff isnt that far behind it
Not that any of this matters for a prot discord discussion
Just pull fatty for your lock boys
sweet summit
what healer can do 5k hps ST rn?
honest plinth
idk im playing with monk 🙂
cosmic canyon
Erga I know what you meant with Galvazzt scaling btw
fortified week and we got steamrolled
perhaps that effect is scaling out of the towers tho
honest plinth
you just need good rotation
sweet summit
yuh
cosmic canyon
so it's stronger on fortified
honest plinth
boss fights are very fast now on forti btw
honest plinth
maybe tyran weeks will be better now
cosmic canyon
well
in blizzards defense
they delayed SL due to balance fubar
rather have this now, when it really doesnt matter; compared to taking away the competitiveness & fun out of early S01 SL.
modern brook
hard agree
M+ is such a great end game that whenever the tuning gets wonky its a major feels bad
honest plinth
The main problem is blizz doesnt think m+ is great end game
modern brook
The main problem is blizz doesnt think
ftfy
chilly brook
I dont know if they dont think it's a great endgame
I think they dont know what else to do with it
And they're stuck in the mindset that mythic raiding has to be the best gear
modern brook
I think they have a hard time justifying giving m+ equivlent gear because its grindable
where as raiding only drops 1/week
honest plinth
I mean current ilvl balance was fine
But they lowered m+ items ilvl for some reason
steep wraith
to encourage people to raid
strong forum
it was already lower than mythic
grizzled forge
Ok then why not thresholds?
At 20 you can get a piece then at 30 etc
Like a m+20 then m+ 30 that week
drifting slate
so i have a question about shekzara
how many times can i kill her for loot
for hte world boss drops
sweet summit
world bosses are once per weekly reset
sweet summit
from where?
drifting slate
i saw on wow head that the boss can drop 445 ilvl items
sweet summit
you only have a chance for loot from world bosses once a week
sweet summit
weekly reset is every tue/wed/thursday depending on where in the world you live
drifting slate
oh ok
thank you
guys i need help doing the call to arms.
what are the locations where everybody si fighting in mechagon
drustvar
and vale of teternal blossoms
im having alot of trouble finding people to fight
sweet summit
go to premade group finder in the pvp section, under custon you search "CTA" or "call to arms"
should be plenty of groups
mellow bridge
ngl
just played around a bit with my giga undergeared prot alt
feels decently fun to me with ravager and roar
2 chested a 16 jy (nice scaling blizz) with 106 ilvl
def feels a lot different but still fun imo
chilly brook
Tbh blizz doesn't care about current content tuning as long as its not crushing us
They have far more important things they need to focus on
modern brook
prepatch is time for fun
Ima big fan of non-global locked prot war though. makes me feel like im thinking more
and we're still frantic when we want to be pumping
mellow bridge
idk why but ravage just feels cool to press
Roar is kinda w/e but I like being more flexible with DS for dr instead now instead of using it for dmg as well
prisma crane
meanwhile i still hate feeling like i have no agency over my CDs, just have to wait like a weirdo for standard countdowns
AM needs to be baseline and my opinion aint changing
civic rover
new AM could be fine for baseline but BFA AM no way
half egret
guys how do i use gathering storm as prot?
i skilled ravager but cant change az trait to gathering stom
storm*
sweet summit
spec arms/fury, pick it, spec back to prot
half egret
thy worked 🙂
sweet summit
👌
half egret
but i still dont have it on my spellbook
sweet summit
ravager?
ionic fern
Ravager is a talent you have to pick.
ionic fern
Yes.
half egret
thy very much guys 🙂
strong forum
imagine depleting FH 25 cuz your group gets 1 shot by swiftwind sabers on last boss
great fun
nice game
tfw fucking KR 24 easier than FH 25 what is this game
sweet summit
imean u just pull middle pack and pat, then tank him in middle
spread as he casts it
doesnt oneshot unless you get hit twice
strong forum
live on like 5% ye
agile raven
Has anyone tried prot warriors in arenas yet?
lofty widget
havent tried but isnt that just scuffed arms?
swift verge
Is it normal when switching from Prot Paladin to Prot Warrior, that it feels like way harder to play? I feel like I click at least 2 times more spells on average. Paladin was super chill in comparision
quiet sandal
I had same experience in reverse. Prot warrior main leveling a prot paladin and paladin rotation seems impossible to fail at
dusky mica
Every class is harder to play if you just switch to it.
quiet sandal
literally mashing keys would be same result
but leveling dungeons gives a bad impression of what it takes to play i'll admit
agile raven
Well right now prot pally is pretty easy when it comes down to m+ you have 100% uptime of sotr.
And then also absurd absorbs from avengers shield
swift verge
Idk, with Paladin I would just throw the bouncy shield, cast consecration and then it's just some easy procs and stuff. And with Warrior I feel like I don't even have enough time to cast everything I want to, mashing that keyboard like crazy
agile raven
Well prot warrior is definitely a very high apm tank spec
swift verge
At least if I want to keep that 100% active mitigation
agile raven
It is hard to start
dusky mica
Paladin is a bit overtuned in most areas right now tbh.
last mason
Anyone actually liking prepatch prot even more? Feels less spammy
swift verge
😮
dusky mica
How is it less spammy.
chilly brook
Is paladin overtuned or is everything else undertuned?
last mason
Idk, devastator makes it feel better to me
chilly brook
I'd lean towards the later
last mason
Maybe just just a fan of the talent
chilly brook
@quiet sandal you can definitely fail at prot paladin, you're also playing irrelevant content which to a certain extent even applies to current content available at end game
quiet sandal
true, that's why i'm having a hard time feeling out specs right now
was leveling all tanks but warrior is the main
chilly brook
Bottom line is that all tanks are viable and very close together
Paladin and DH are ahead just simply on basis of damage
Play what you like
quiet sandal
yeah i was moreso looking for the gamefeel
already know i like warrior. DH/BRM/Druid rotation too boring
DK 2nd favorite but leveling paladin now and not sure how i feel
am intrigued by prospect of doing lots of damage though lol
chilly brook
The only thing I dislike about my choice of playing prot paladin rn is that I won't be able to use hammer of wrath during wings until SL
honest plinth
Ilgy 130
strong forum
I wouldn't bother
uneven mason
Paying 4 months of gametime for 1 item in prepatch #bigbrain
worn socket
yee
naive panther
I don’t get playing in prepatch at all
muted spoke
what talents for offensive build at m+ as prot?
tropic cobalt
Fucking hell. Prot warr got waaay to many buttons now.
tropic cobalt
29
chilly brook
You literally basically added 2-3 buttons and have the potential to drop one completely
tropic cobalt
ye its fucks everything up. Allready had to many 😄
chilly brook
It's really not though lmao
mellow patio
Did someone say paladin
If so I have something for you to sign
Petition to gut paladin:
Hawgz
Epyawn
KitchenAppliance
Catha
Latterstyle
WHiskyjak
Nomeratur
Speg
Beren
Halberad
Drkeven
E_Dizzle
PawRevere
Karton
Pls sign thx
last mason
i feel like pala should be a close brother to prot since theyre so similar aesthetically
mellow patio
Yeah if by similar you mean one is pink and weak and the other one is brown and alpha
last mason
ya but dont you wanna band together with ur fellow shield bro to fight the stupid bears and bdks
proven breach
Rage tanks unite!
honest plinth
just did 24 fh. was pretty ez. but we decided to clear pack before harlan for more space. worked well. this pack is so ez compared to s4
still pagoda
Petition to gut paladin:
Hawgz
Epyawn
KitchenAppliance
Catha
Latterstyle
WHiskyjak
Nomeratur
Speg
Beren
Halberad
Drkeven
E_Dizzle
PawRevere
Pls sign thx
@mellow patio
I'm in
undone sun
hmmm
chilly brook
Y'all just jealous
lavish oracle
Wait, no, don't gut Paladin, I just finished leveling mine
proven breach
@warm plinth I've noticed if you change the talent with it active you maintain the buff. You can click it off clearly a bug
warm plinth
No man it's clearly intended. I'll keep my 4% haste 
proven breach
undone sun
itf baseline
honest plinth
id its not working for me 😄
proven breach
might only be the first time you drop it or they stealth fixed it. was working like that last night for me but not today
onyx vessel
Yeah itf baseline would be 
crisp hedge
Had the same thing happen to me after pre-patch. Kept it as fury
spice ocean
bro I swear I'm mentally disabled when it comes to ignore pain
had to put 3 weak auras for it on my screen
i've never had so much trouble paying attention to something in my life
chilly brook
@spice ocean theres nothing to pay attention to, you hit the button to dump rage
Or you dump with revenge if you tryin to pump and dont need the defense
spice ocean
but if I let it fall off my healthbar might go below 100%! 😢
steep bone
@chilly brook dumping rage in other way than revenge is inting 
Just blame healer if ure dying
chilly brook
@steep bone you right just dont press shield block either
All rage goes to revenge and execute
steep bone
Yeah last stand and ure fine
radiant oxide
anyone here tried boosting freehold as prot?
onyx vessel
Should be easy enough to do
radiant oxide
i am strugling badly , with surviving the pulls
woven trellis
Idk, with Paladin I would just throw the bouncy shield, cast consecration and then it's just some easy procs and stuff. And with Warrior I feel like I don't even have enough time to cast everything I want to, mashing that keyboard like crazy
@swift verge you open with berserk, shoot, put ravager and then dragon roar, then u can freely spam revenge and thunder clap while applying shield slam, dont forget SB uptime
ez
remote dawn
hey guys, what talent and traits you playing on patch 9.0?
sweet summit
With 3BoM/GS+2 BoM/GS+1DC
remote dawn
uuf what is GS? >.<
sweet summit
Gathering Storm
cosmic canyon
Gathering storm. Arms/fury talent
sweet summit
Arms/fury azerite that gives str+speed when you use ravager
cosmic canyon
I haven't tested it yet, is it giga?
sweet summit
Its pretty good
cosmic canyon
Or is it comparable to other talents we have
remote dawn
oha
sweet summit
Ive been running 3 of them lately
sweet summit
1 DC>BoM=GS i think
remote dawn
okay 1 DC and 3 BOM start and GS is an extra ^^
sweet summit
Yeh i guess
remote dawn
Ravager better than Unstoppable Force ?
sweet summit
I prefer ravager, but UF is defo playable
Rvager offers high rage gen on a relatively short cd
remote dawn
kk i testing today 🙂 thx
brittle owl
ravager big damager 
sweet summit
Right now?
remote dawn
yep
sweet summit
Upper end id say
remote dawn
okok
cosmic canyon
Just testing about atm, but 64% uptime on BoM/Avatar is .. high?
did a WM and that was the result, if i recall pre prepatch i never got above 55-60% area
brittle owl
^
onyx vessel
Wait what actually huge brain
2 gs
What azurite has gathering storm? @sweet summit
sweet summit
Abyssal/nzoth, tank buster/skitra shoulders and vex chest
Mecha chest too
Those have bom/gs/dc
brittle owl
yeet
onyx vessel
hallow phoenix
So GS over HoD?
onyx vessel
Gs over clockwork heart tho
sweet summit
Yuh
sweet summit
Higher uptime on a 20% dr? Ill take it
cosmic canyon
Tried warmachine on a low key, man.. I'm not going back to manually cast devastate anytime soon, i'll tell you that :p
still pagoda
why would you try a talent that technically does nothing tho?
rage generation from autos is miserably low since BfA
prisma gorge
Hiya, prot war OP? I just saw talents, i think he will be beyond broken.
honest plinth
We are f tier. You are welcome.
prisma gorge
Lol why, talents seems to have everything good from last two expansions accessible all together.
honest plinth
Our sb uptime is lower now. And the main reason is streamers dont like us.
prisma gorge
Is there some particular reason? 😄
sand condor
does anyone have a Weakaura to track my healer's mana
topaz ember
you don't need a wa just look at your health bar. if its empty they probably have no mana left
sand condor
this is fair
still pagoda
Hiya, prot war OP? I just saw talents, i think he will be beyond broken.
@prisma gorge
Tanks are balanced out right now
unlike everything else in the game...
though, you can play whatever you want. It doesn't matter really
jagged pier
Our sb uptime is lower now. And the main reason is streamers dont like us.
@honest plinth its about blocked hits not sb uptime, if you have sb up while stuff are casting that will count to uptime but block nothing
still pagoda
^
prisma gorge
though, you can play whatever you want. It doesn't matter really
@still pagoda i know but i main prot war and i was excited about this expansion talents, however i am hearing opinions such as "i heard prot war will be shit" so i came to skyhold for another opinion
still pagoda
community perception
brittle owl
i mean
still pagoda
:D
jagged pier
we arent the best we arent the worst
still pagoda
all tanks are A tier now
brittle owl
would you listen to someone's opinion telling you that an unbaked pizza will be good or bad?
still pagoda
broad community is really obsessed with rankings
brittle owl
cuz that's what WoW is atm until SL release
sand condor
all that matters is that we wait for the first mdi and see if we get a 100% pickrate once that's over agian
still pagoda
even if shit is different by 0.1%
brittle owl
an unbaked pizza
still pagoda
would you listen to someone's opinion telling you that an unbaked pizza will be good or bad?
@brittle owl
Tbh, unbaked is the worst thing i can imagine
brittle owl
still unbaked
sand condor
also if anyone's eating an unbaked pizza they're crazy
still pagoda
^
sand condor
tanking 19s with a lvl 99 shield. Can say its not fun
honest plinth
Why would you use sb when you dont need to?
jagged pier
you shouldnt doesnt mean people dont just use it on cd though, so making a statment about sb uptime is wrong as people wont always use sb at the right time which is why you say 'blocked hits' instead of sb uptime
honest plinth
Same thing if you use sb correct
jagged pier
yes doesnt mean people will understand what your talking about in the same
way
say you have a good warrior and a bad they good warrior has 75% uptime on SB but blocks 70% of melees and bad player has 85% uptime but blocks only 60%
if you say sb uptime
the bad player looks better
as they have more uptime
honest plinth
Impossible scenario but i got you
strong forum
does anyone have a Weakaura to track my healer's mana
@sand condor just turn on your party "power bar"
And voilà, you can see your healers mana
honest plinth
I can share healers mana wa later, not at home now
obsidian sky
Just wondering how the hidden artifact appearances work - i got the hidden tank appearance for protection and want the recolor, but i’m starting a new warrior. Can i just mog into 1 piece of the artifact or does it have to be both? Does it even work if you just transmog it, or do you need to actually equip it?
serene hound
For my rogue it transmogged my MH weapon and overrode both
onyx vessel
honest plinth
gsx2 is enough
grizzled forge
does it not show trinkets in the adventure guide for nathria or did i miss something?
strong forum
Typically you shouldn't be even able to see the adventure guide
But it just kinda does
tropic cobalt
How do you guys deal with Devastator. Feels super wierd not having a ''filler''
turbid cargo
@tropic cobalt personally, I hate it, lol. I run Punish
jagged pier
@tropic cobalt can run what you like really but i believe deva is more rage on average, just wish it was legion deva that gave rage
tropic cobalt
Guess its just habbit. Shield slam seems to reset ALOT more with the talent.
jagged pier
its procs are capped now i believe
vocal skiff
Still pretty high apm for prot
still pagoda
its procs are capped now i believe
@jagged pier
Revenge procs are on 3RPPM now
SS still uncapped
jagged pier
fair
worn socket
@sweet summit so do we still want 1 DC trait?
sweet summit
ya
worn socket
so you just have to switch to arms, pick GS, and then switch bnack to prot
sweet summit
ya
worn socket
cool, hopefully this works well
i felt like i wasnt doing as much damage i should be
cosmic canyon
anyone else having issues with the zone/boss ability not showing in elvui atm?
worn socket
didnt really understand the cd usage order when pulling and trying to pump
cosmic canyon
or know how to fix?
last mason
@worn socket you pretty much just use everything on cd rn
revenge more often
if you have gs you still use everything on cd because it all fits into the avatar window
lofty widget
is anyone else having trouble in temple on 3rd boss?
sweet summit
its overtuned
worn socket
GS only says while bladestorming
sweet summit
ravager works
worn socket
ok figured tooltip wasnt updated
@last mason So would it be Pop Avatar, charge, LD, ravager, dragon roar, thunderclap->revenge spam?
if i were to pop cd's and try to pump out dps
sweet summit
ravager+charge->avatar+SB+DR->demo->revenge/SS/TC spam
last mason
ya ravager first
cosmic canyon
whats the macro for @ target, or is it what i just wrote? [@ Target] ?
worn socket
thanks yall
sweet summit
@target
grizzled forge
so even though gathering storm says bladestorming its working with ravager?
sweet summit
yes
sweet summit
specing arms
reading tooltips 
woven radish
Zerging all the things
strong forum
ashen moon
only 1 GS is enough?
sweet summit
you can have one, you can have two, you can have three
ashen moon
sick, ty!
sweet summit
scale
worn socket
Thanks bro
grizzled forge
so whats the rough average item level after pre patch for a 15 would yall say?
honest plinth
cof is rly rly good
worn socket
aight so what about 3BOM and 3 GS and no DC at all
dense flame
Hmmm at target macro not working.
/cast [@target] ravager
worn socket
cuz this trait feels awesome
dense flame
Any thoughts as to why it wouldn’t be working? If I swap to @heavy mirage it works still.
Oops didn’t mean to ping someone.
honest plinth
1 dc is still mandatory coz you almost doubles default demo shout debuff time
coz player is you
it place ravager on your positon
worn socket
Does sphere of suppression minor trait have an ICD?
cosmic canyon
bloodguilt probably some restrictions in the api due to historic abuse. I've tried @.target and @.player myself
sharp night
you cannot macro anything with a targeting reticle at a target, it has been that way ever since macro conditionals existed
undone sun
@cursor works
winter ridge
with devastator as a talent...do i actually need to right click on enemies to attack them or will thunder clap and shield slam start auto attack?
simple mural
I like @player Drop it right at my feet.
trim bay
i feel like i have alot of time to do nothing with devastator selected
and my damage is so low.
cosmic canyon
anyone mined what the proccrate of the free rev is?
ionic fern
It's 3ppm @cosmic canyon
dusky mica
In practice it feels way too low. Might as well remove it and reduce Revenge rage cost to 15 and eliminate the worthless rng.
Adding 'chance to proc' makes the idea of it being 'revenge' more than stupid too. Given how design is all flavour and feely these days I'm not sure how this got through.
And while we're here, if they're going to give arms/fury stupid stuff like block why didn't they get Revenge back too?
last mason
Arms and fury had revenge?
dusky mica
Aye
Well 100% sure for arms, I never played Fury much.
Back when you did swap in a shield, mostly in pvp, revenge was good damage
cosmic canyon
So if I stacked crit and got it to 100%,parry it would still only proc 3x a min?
last mason
are you guys bothering to get cloak/neck rn on alts
strong forum
So if I stacked crit and got it to 100%,parry it would still only proc 3x a min?
@cosmic canyon yes
limpid pawn
with the new build, i see people stacking verse/leech and going lucid major still. how is it used now that we aren't able to cheese 2 avatars back to back
assuming we are not using anger management
cosmic canyon
Meh, what a lackluster
strong forum
ive found lucid major to be extremely underwhelming
but haste/vers gear is still good, and they just happen to have alot of leech gear from the last season
like in my 24/25s ive found lucid not at all worth outside of maybe Zul, thats it
maybe ML, but i havent done that yet
chilly brook
Vers stacking is for nerds
winter ridge
with devastator as a talent...do i actually need to right click on enemies to attack them or will thunder clap and shield slam start auto attack?
@winter ridge for those that were wondering...no you don't...auto attack happens with these skills
honest plinth
lucd major+ravager = all you do is pressing revenge and top meters
last mason
are you guys using compendium
steep bone
@chilly brook and wasting rage on SB or IP too. Only last stand + revenge spam is for true chads
chilly brook
Facts
green forge
anyone got a macro that puts charge/intervene on the same button?
last mason
dr has prio over clap right
steep bone
@green forge it's in #698541559049748520 pins
green forge
thanks
hallow phoenix
Are people actually taking gathering storm over HoD?
inland mesa
I'm debating on screwing with it tonight instead to see how it does
as I can run 1 DC, 3 BoM, 2 GS. Can't remember if heed or gutripper was better
hallow phoenix
my napkin math points to HoD giving more stats on average
but i suppose with ravager a larger portion of your overall damage is in the ravager window
Everyone sleeping on Agi dagger + 3x Reckless Flurry tho
inland mesa
o.O
still pagoda
topaz ember
Screw it 2 daggers and reckless
still pagoda
@steep bone https://twitter.com/EchoGuild/status/1318622992814006273?s=19
Now they need Kungen on-board
steep bone
Have you guys tried fh boosting?
shadow bay
fathom sun
Hey Dudes if my guild doesn't have a monk does brewmaster tank become the mandatory play or are we fine without? Just heroic and +15s etc
I'd rather play prot but curious on opinions
steep bone
for 15s you can play literally any tank
you only need to play whatever's best if you're doing WF content || and even then you've that bear tank that proved he's also capable of top content xD||and raid in like top 50 world guilds
fathom sun
Thanks waifu
steep bone
you're welcome
warm plinth
No, just pre-patch
junior ivy
looks like everyone is playin
warm plinth
Well, lot of changes in the pre-patch so people are wanting to get a feel for at least the start of the class/spec changes
junior ivy
do you still play
scarlet sparrow
Haste/vers still right? Even if you have the ravager/bolster/dragon shout spec?
woven trellis
so
i was doing this AD26
getting hit hard
and i get told at the end that i should have 60% uptime with IP
is it a thing now?
cause so far i have like 30%
ebon lark
am i understanding this correctly that the old legion playstyle of devastator/indominable (basically mannorth's manacles) is viable again? I enjoys slamming guldan to death in 8.0-8.1.5
sweet summit
@woven trellis no thats not a thing. IP is used as a rage dump, and to smooth incomming damage
@ebon lark ya 
ebon lark
wonderful
civic rover
@scarlet sparrow Haste/Crit. You'll know when you get to the point where vers becomes a priority
steep bone
Hi frens
civic rover
hello waifu
modern brook
Talent row 1 is a wash between punish and devastate. I'm in the camp that devastate feels better. Indom is pretty uncontested on its tier
Aaaand I'm late.
steep bone
im sad
thought that rtx gonna make even small differences in wow, and all what it does is steal 50% fps for legit no visible difference XD
cosmic canyon
Yeah I'm also disappointed. I mean sure if my rig couldn't handle it, but come on, at least make it look as stellar as possible.
steep bone
I can't even imagine how shit it's gonna be in raids xD
still pagoda
thought that rtx gonna make even small differences in wow, and all what it does is steal 50% fps for legit no visible difference XD
@steep bone
WoW is not a game where you will see much difference... Except in shading as it is slightly smoother with rtx
and also portal room in Stormwind...
jagged pier
finally got some bom gs shoulders today the chest actually gave me something good
steep bone
congratz \o/
still pagoda
gz
sand condor
I can’t wait to get a useless azerite piece 😦
Does anyone have good routes for some dungeons. My tanking can get me through a 19/20 but I’m having trouble with knowing where and what to clear. Last time i Played was around Eternal palace do my routes are straight up wack.
sand condor
Wait really? Time to look there
sweet summit
"Weekly routes", under "news"
steep bone
aka famous Dratnos routes
steep bone
also it's worthy to check NerftankTV on youtube, he's been doing pug runs in some 16-18 keys with commentary
steep bone
I was memeing in some 6-8 keys today
i forgot fh mobs after bridge apply healing debuff and i died
amount of cringe i experienced was unbearable
still pagoda
steep bone
imagine dying as fully geared tank in +6 
then i tried to FH boost friend, and.... not possible
soft flower
what's the level req for entering freehold?
still pagoda
10 iirc
steep bone
on 10 you've only AD available but thats from lfg specific dung
but im pretty sure you can enter it normally because of 10-50 fh boost spammers
cosmic canyon
uptime of one gs = 20% ~~ right? 132str/5 = 26 -> 26 strength +(whatever edge you get from being able to use all of that str during the ravager window instead of spread out)
26str looks a bit lackluster no?
for example uptime of BoM or Maticolous Scheming etc renders much higher secondary stat scores on average.
brittle owl
strength is even MORE valuable now than ever before
strong forum
132 Str is ~20% dmg buff
brittle owl
since it's a 1:1 conversion to armor as well
wether it's a dps increase though
ask mwahi when is simc done
or pwarr apl, rather
undone sun
@ionic fern sims when
ionic fern
Soon™️
jagged pier
steep bone
pwar ded yet?
jagged pier
always has been
strong forum
🔫
jagged pier
🧑🚀
steep bone
should i reroll brewmaster for my 1,5k world guild?
|| ||
jagged pier
thats ones up to u bud
strong forum
jagged pier
or apprently GMs in some cases as we've heard
steep bone
i mean im rerolling anyway
jagged pier
then get out only pwarrior chads allowed in here
jagged pier
undone sun
brittle owl
skyhold emotes is like WoW game desing
slooowly conforming to what people want, but making some weird steps along the way
undone sun
pull the ripcord skyhold
still pagoda
pull the ripcord skyhold
@undone sun
Pull the emotecord*
undone sun
👏
honest plinth
Ye but your math is not that good. I mean you need time to get stacks.
honest plinth
0.8s per stack
cosmic canyon
for me it's 0.7 but you miss my point
even in the 'best' case scenario, I question the value of the trait
as if, you got 6 stacks right away and it had uptime of 20% of the time
honest plinth
You will do rly good burst damage in that window, also you will get extta armor(nice for medium/big pulls)
strong forum
Take it like that, it's ~4% dmg increase per stack per trait
On a short CD
And it's not like you're dropping bom entirely either
You could be easily running 3x gs 3x bom.
honest plinth
I dont think you wanna drop dc
strong forum
Emphasis on could.
strong forum
Many damgur
brittle owl
ravej big damej
strong forum
Also run AM + Rav for that max uptime
honest plinth
Good scenario for +15 boost runs haha
brittle owl
why would you do more than a 15 on prepatch
sweet summit
@steep bone u can spell reflect that, if you mean comander
brittle owl
memes?
strong forum
We did a 7min pull in ML yesterday, was good to have Bolster ill tell you that much
honest plinth
Not for memes Just tot test things and for fun
Oh ML. Rixxa damage is fine btw. At least in 24s.
cosmic canyon
Crushing Assault "Ravager replaces Slam" for prot -> no bug atm right? 🙂 Free 'ravager' with 1k extra damage would be nice
cosmic canyon
yeah
cosmic canyon
thus there could be a bug hidden with crushing assault affecting ravager
but i haven't tested
merely speculating
sweet summit
Ya its revenge, not ravager
undone sun
Revenger
sweet summit
Man if i can find mythic raden chest in item restore. Ill try CA 👀
ebon hound
Probably to no one's suprise, CA procs benefits neither Revenge nor Ravager 📉
sweet summit
Oh have you tried it already? :/
ebon hound
Yeah just did
sweet summit
Heck
cosmic canyon
xD
jagged pier
@sweet summit whats on the raden chest?
strong forum
Ketchup
ebon hound
I'm sorry 😦
jagged pier
okay so dont bother i know i have like 3 raden chests ive purged in the past
sick sentinel
Is the Salvaged Mekacycle Shielding worth it if it's 10 ilvls higher?
sweet summit
Yes
sick sentinel
that was easy. thanks!
sweet summit
woeful stirrup
Hey guys what is state of tank warri in SL atm is he bad?
sweet summit
Nah, we solid
Difference between tanks are pretty small overall. We do have weaknesses like every other tank, but we're not bad by any means
jagged pier
warrior dead dont lie 
sweet summit
jagged pier
jagged pier
we just tell people that warrior is dead so when we go to raid and play well we look like gods its an easy tactic
sweet summit
No
cosmic canyon
someone help me refresh my memory. absess blockchance counts towards crit block chance right? and crit block chance from mastery is, what it says.
say you have SB up and you have 10% block from mastery and 30% crit block: will it be 40% chance to crit block?
or 30, not counting the >100 block
sweet summit
Come again?
cosmic canyon
SB increases your block chance to a 100% right?
sweet summit
Yes
cosmic canyon
other sources of block, above 100%
sweet summit
By*
cosmic canyon
does it count towards crit block
sweet summit
No
cosmic canyon
or only "crit block" counts towards crit block.
sweet summit
Only mastery does
cosmic canyon
ok
halcyon rune
the less people play prot warr the faster it will get buffed :kappa:
cosmic canyon
Ravager is really good, around 2k added rage throughout a dungeon, 6-10% damage, flexibility, aoe threat and so on
TINA!!
still pagoda
just cut down Vanguard to its BfA numbers(or even Legion ones) and cut 2-3 seconds off of cooldown of SB
but blizz will never do this
cosmic canyon
there won't be any substitute for deafening crash in SL right? so uptime of Demo will be much lower
wasnt there one legendary or smth?
cosmic canyon
what is the 'multiplier' of leech atm? 12% isnt 12% that's for sure.
pvp leech is reduced effect y?
how about pve?
more like 12% = 6%
strong forum
Wdym multiplier
still pagoda
wdym multiplier [2]
cosmic canyon
or maybe it's not added at all if you're at 100% hp?
still pagoda
leech is leech
strong forum
Leech is leech, in pvp its downscaled alot yes, but in pve there's nothing of the sorts
still pagoda
you get the amount you have
strong forum
If you're 100%hp it just overheals
If you have 10% leech, 10% of the dmg you deal will heal you
No hidden math
No nothing
cosmic canyon
as an example details had me do 3.3mil damage in my last test key. but in the leech was only 190k
and i've got 12% leech with the gear on atm
190k is including overheal
strong forum
Yeah then you overhealed like 150k
cosmic canyon
no
still pagoda
no
You literally just overhealed 150k
cosmic canyon
no I did not
still pagoda
you can even see it in overhealing tab
cosmic canyon
not according to details
cosmic canyon
jagged pier
is it me or does that indom healing look stupidly low?
cosmic canyon
overhealing tab reflects the 24k shown in the picture
I even have more than 12% leech when bloodsport is active
still pagoda
Bloodsport
jagged pier
bloodsport
still pagoda
mate, you've just fooled yourself
cosmic canyon
I'm testing about
still pagoda
the problem is. Bloodsport is not always onyou
what to test in a trait that was DOA since the beginning?
cosmic canyon
you miss the entire point and start flaming me for testing around..
12% of 3.3kk damage isnt 190k
still pagoda
you miss the entire point and start flaming me for testing around..
The problem is: Bloodsport is not always on you, and, considering you have ~700k IP absorbed with 3.3m damage done says that it wasn't on you all the time
test raw leech instead
cosmic canyon
what difference will it make... come on man
strong forum
Depends on the minimum amount of leech you have
still pagoda
^
cosmic canyon
the minimum I have is 12%
strong forum
Then idk
strong forum
Haven't paid any attention to leech matching
Only time I looked at leech was when I ran lucid in wcm21 a while back and it did 89% overhealing
In bfa
cosmic canyon
Karton, don't act so sure if you arent. kthx
still pagoda
if there was a pve multiplier, that would be known to the whole community for a long time
cosmic canyon
12% leech seems to translate into 6% a flat 50% reduction in efficiency, if details isnt "bugged" like mentioned.
still pagoda
no one would stack leech for anything
sweet summit
Link logs
still pagoda
^
cosmic canyon
I didnt record it more so than looking at details now after the run
sweet summit
Do one more and log
jagged pier
^^
still pagoda
always log
strong forum
For me? Its never log always speculate
cosmic canyon
maybe you can share your last log then Karton, so I don't have to do another run.
strong forum
cock
strong forum
Just assume everybody is a 3head
jagged pier
I dont run leech... its not my job to heal it my job to be a 🚪
strong forum
Technically hitting a dummy is already enough
Like a 1min log or less
Maybe vs tank dummy aswell
And drop some hp
If that proves to be working as it should, maybe its instance related which would be a monkaThink
Or even scaled with K Value so slap you real good
Blizz doubling down on preventing a repeat of S4 and S2 leech stacking
jagged pier
would leech depend on debuffs like if you had healing reductions etc
strong forum
How old. Needs to be pre-patch
Yes it would Jakey
For example FH
@cosmic canyon did you do FH?
jagged pier
just thinking mabye in the dungeon keening had a lot of healing reductions
still pagoda
i haven't done anything during prepatch except for leveling a pala
but the log may show whether it is a pre-patch problem or not
or just details devs leaving a small bug
or someone tanking FH
strong forum
If its FH without a disease cleanse
Then yeah, that's the answer
Cuz first pull alone is a ton of dmg / healing
still pagoda
hmmm
jagged pier
hard to tell be in the picture he linked it could be freehold
sweet summit
does details count absorbed healing?
first boss underrot if the cast goes through, and the flowers (dont remember name atm) are all healing absorbs iirc
cosmic canyon
it's just a fraction of the dungeon. Details has them stored on their own tabs as well. like 5k absorbed from first boss
in total healing, not 'leech' healing
sweet summit
looking at logs i also see some healing missing, from leech, even in dungeons with no healing absorbs/reductions
topaz ember
does it count over healing leech?
sweet summit
yes i checked "raw healing"
cosmic canyon
erga, by "some" missing you mean? in %?
sweet summit
by some i mean (over) 100k total healing from leech is gone per dungeon
median timber
tame garden
Ok
woven trellis
dont trust the game trust our subective biased point of view
should be the moto of all class discord
brittle owl
Ok
cosmic canyon
trolls are everywhere I guess
jagged pier
jagged pier
uneven mason
Imagine trusting the game
@tame garden flashbacks to pvp scaling 😭
cosmic canyon
pvp socketvalue facepalm
jagged pier
no no it did make if better for you, if you equiped so sockets in the arena wasnt it?
jagged pier
in general yes
but if you entered an arena and equiped before the game started
they made you stronger
strong forum
That was fixed
jagged pier
but only then
strong forum
In like 12hrs
jagged pier
what do you mean that was fixed thats how it was supposed to work right sockets make you more powerful
cosmic canyon
maybe the pvp leech balancing accidently also affects pve
strong forum
Gems. Made. You. Weaker. Unless. You. Cheated. The. Game.
Because pvp scaling is retarded
That's why they removed it for now
Who knows if they'll add it back on SL launch
cosmic canyon
hopefully not.
I like games that are 'balanced' by being different, rather than balanced by being all equal.
Not that I do a lot of pvp these days
but sometimes it's more exciting to hit the training dummy than your opponents in an arena match
due to scaling of explosive abilities
and gear etc etc..
strong forum
Templates and pvp scaling are horrid
Just let me be better if my gear is actually better
That's an incentive in itself
To get better gear, so you can shit on people
cosmic canyon
yep
worn socket
If running Lucid Dreams major and no vop minor, should you be popping the CD's individually as they come up or waiting for both to be up (LD 2min, Avatar 1.5min)?
strong forum
I'd say you use it as a filler now
For downtime
Or when you wanna pump dmg, it's insanely awkward to use imo
That my personal take, maybe erga has something better to say
worn socket
I feel like it definitely helps pump damage using Ravager and 3x GS
but it does feel clunky during opener
strong forum
During ravager you're ultra rage capping
If you use it with lucid
Can't recommend it
worn socket
yeah I have been
strong forum
Like IP doesn't get eaten in 24s/25s at all so far
Only when block is down
And rage gen is very low outside of ravager
So you can't reliably spam either
It's so awkward to use. Not a fan of lucid major
strong forum
Vop major
Everything else just feels wrong
I ran lucid major in KR 24 for zul
But outside of zul and last 2 ml bosses I can't see myself use it unless I go into like 29/30s
Cns major lost alot of its appeal cuz you're not playing bfa build so you root only once every 5/4 seconds
But that's just Baby keys, who knows if lucid is worth in actual keys
For now, I don't like it
honest plinth
the main thing is all top rio prots are using lucid major for now
worn socket
im only doing baby keys lol
honest plinth
well i just think you will not be in bad spot wit lucid major even in 25
strong forum
Idk, felt terrible