Someone is just too hotheaded
#protection
still pagoda
undone sun
AskMrRobot, not really something you'd want to put effort into, feelycrafty sims with closed APLs and only in house contributors
onyx vessel
So basically dead service
still pagoda
I've forgotten this shit does exist by now
ionic fern
I'm a good boy, never banned.
onyx vessel
I forget if ive been banned
Nothing important enough to remember
Possible the many guilds ive gone through
strong forum
Been timed out for 1 second in here once for being a little too toxic in #transmog in legion
ionic fern
undone sun
jokingly i got kicked and banned from here when i was an SF
could probably check the logs from 2+ years ago, idek if it'd be there though
still pagoda
There is not a single soul without a sin you can find
Literally this whole chat right now
strong forum
My sin is being too passionate. 
brittle owl
undone sun
Yup
sweet summit
strong forum
How the turn tables
ionic fern
strong forum
Haha how silly, the TC asking a brown boi
Dunno what my first stuff was, can't search for that on mobile
strong forum
Wasn't too long ago that I know
still pagoda
Back in March iirc
ionic fern
Smh, i've been in this discord for 3 years and Karton who joined in March already has more posts than me.
ionic fern
๐
sweet summit
??
brittle owl
still pagoda
sweet summit
Well do u have any tips?
sweet summit
Oh...
strong forum
Smra
And try to get a blink out of them without charging
Then charge - leap, avatar / bladestorm to get out of novas
ionic fern
Only time i've ever had fun in PvP was old-school STV.
sweet summit
strong forum
Reflecting deepfreeze was the best shit ever
Or well glacial, also fun to reflect
If not for pvp I prolly wouldn't have come back after wrath ๐
Tbc even actually
strong forum
Same
strong forum
That being said, I'm considering getting glad / R1 in SL
sweet summit
For the mount
strong forum
R1 title is like the only thing that's still cool in this game, to me atleast
sweet summit
Ye i guess. Famed slayer is cool too imo
ionic fern
I'm still rolling with "The patient" title.
The only title that makes sense with all the shit going around.
sweet summit
LMAO
strong forum
"the undying" OG title
I regret not getting Hand of Adal tbh, I could've but was too casual
brittle owl
you could've gotten it early wrath so it got whack really quick
strong forum
Wha I thought it was gone with 3.0
brittle owl
nah
titles were really wonky back then
i don't have vashj kill on my old tbc main even tho i have T5 helm
kekw
strong forum
still pagoda
I'm still rolling with "The patient" title.
@ionic fern
"The Fearless" will forever be on my warri
ionic fern
I'd also be using "The fearless" if i had a anime profile picture.
I'm sorry, that was mean but i couldn't pass up on it. ๐
ionic fern
brittle owl
@sweet summit
chilly brook
I'm quite partial to "the Chosen"
brittle owl
go kawaii karton or whatever you degens do
chilly brook
strong forum
I guess
novel ruin
Weebs are the best
sweet summit
weebs>boomers tbh
chilly brook
novel ruin
Truth
brittle owl
at least boomers can afford rent
brittle owl
yes we got it nome
still pagoda
go kawaii karton or whatever you degens do
@brittle owl
No
strong forum
Idk, there's lotta 3heads around, better be sure
still pagoda
sweet summit
thank you for clarifying
strong forum
tips fedora
ionic fern
Makes me want to google what 3heads means.
sweet summit
dumb
strong forum
Found the 3head
novel ruin
Itโs okay. We are wayyyyy out of place with your language
spice ocean
when they made most absorbs scale with crit, they never included ignore pain right?
sweet summit
IP cant crit, no
novel ruin
IP scales with vers though
spice ocean
no, they made absorbs scale with crit flat % increase - all trinkets work that way
brittle owl
spice ocean
seems weird they never did it for IP
strong forum
sweet summit
never heard that before
novel ruin
Never heard of that
novel ruin
IP does scale with vers
autumn pendant
Eject Erga
novel ruin
Not crit
spice ocean
really? I could've sworn they did that sometime in legion
strong forum
Never heard of absorbs "crit"
still pagoda
Eject Erga
@autumn pendant
Skip vote, nothing sus in what he does
sweet summit
thank
spice ocean
maybe that's what I was thinking of then, since I played brm in legion
novel ruin
Isnโt celestial fort a SL thing?
brittle owl
Idk, there's lotta 3heads around, better be sure
spice ocean
nah it's been around
strong forum
Bruh if absorbs could crit priest would be Hella broken
strong forum
Ya but I've never thought about it, sorry for thinking out loud
spice ocean
nah, I wasn't suggesting they could crit - just that they scale at a flat % based on your crit value
but I was mistaken so it's irrelevant
novel ruin
Yeah replace crit with vers
still pagoda
Vers is for nerds
novel ruin
But I want bigger healing pots
spice ocean
oh I'm aware vers does, I just for some reason had it in my head that they added that at some point
still pagoda
Clearing 22s without vers is fun and engaging
novel ruin
Eww BFA keys
novel ruin
Only BFA keys Iโve done in the past 2 months are like 15 carries
still pagoda
I haven't done any bfa keys in 2 months
novel ruin
Gotta make that gold so I can buy all the mats
strong forum
Ever since SL alpha bfa is ๐
novel ruin
Says the warrior
strong forum
Yes?
novel ruin
I wouldnโt rush to leave behind BFA Prot for SL Prot
strong forum
Fotm baby
still pagoda
I just want new content already
novel ruin
I donโt see how me maiming Fury this patch and going to play bear in SL is Fotm
Maining*
brittle owl
novel ruin
๐
sweet summit
still pagoda
mellow patio
Heard vers is for nerds. Can confirm @brittle owl
still pagoda
^
cursive burrow
And not cool nerds, like the creepy stalker/rapey revenge of the nerds nerds.
mellow patio
Word
sick sentinel
well, thats an improvement i guess, ran my 15 key for week and actually timed it instead of not
i know the last 2 weeks i didnt do timer
modern brook
nerds arent cool by defninition
stoic sapphire
Have there been any changes in beta or ptr in the past week or so
To protection i mean
sweet summit
noting since the vanguard buff iirc
stoic sapphire
Gosh dang
sweet summit
this week for sure, right??
ionic fern
What changes are you waiting for?
stoic sapphire
Something it's just not looking good.
stoic sapphire
Just from what I've seen, they took alot of our fun synergies away and it doesn seem like we are going to get alot back in return.
The class just looks less fun to play
It's a lot of doom and gloom frkm what people on the beta have told me
ionic fern
Well, that depends on what you think of as fun.
It's definitely different than in BfA but i still enjoy it.
stoic sapphire
I REALLY liked prot in bfa
stoic sapphire
The anger management nerf was the big thing for me
lucid pasture
i havve such a small brain
sweet summit
same
lucid pasture
i really want to learn prot as good as i know fury
sweet summit
keep playing, log runs, come back with logs
lucid pasture
haven't been able to play that much cause of school haha
i did that one +10 and then i've been afk for a while..
still pagoda
๐ comfy indeed
i don't play right now
just going through DS3 and chilling till prepatch
strong forum
ye was first keys in 3months
jade socket
strong forum
still pagoda
chilly brook
steep bone
wow sucks don't @ me
undone sun
you right
still pagoda
Just slumber till prepatch, chill and play other games instead
steep bone
that doesn't change fact that wow suck
steep bone
but theres no content anymore, how many times you can rekill mythic nzoth
still pagoda
Just that it is really a time to take a break before new expansion release
steep bone
how many times you can repeat same dungeon over and over and be hardstuck at certain IO because its so easy to get to that level of keys so you're matched with scrubs more often than with people capable of going higher ;_;
im not even counting pvp as corruptions completly fucked it up xD
still pagoda
;_;
steep bone
being hard trolled by some rogue who doesn't even know his class or use abilities, but pure tunnel with 1892738127321 gushings and winning games is just LULWERS
still pagoda
IO part is true for sure. PvP was fucked throughout all of BfA anyway.
The worst thing in all of this for me was the early on azerite grind. That was for nothing thanks to 8.1.5
And a lot of issues with mechanics and game just being meh
steep bone
fuck azerite grind
and fuck essences grind
but hey, sl is close so some new stupid nosense grind is coming ๐
still pagoda
And we're gonna do it again
steep bone
all what i want is full m+ team ;_;
still pagoda
Yeye, + people in my guild will cling to any tank they can get on consistent basis and i am not an exception
steep bone
its best when you finally meet someone, you do few runs together and then never speak to each other again or always get 'nono im busy' answers XD
or making some grp to push levels and two keys were timed and then one depleto and apparently everyone forgot that they have doctor appointment or other things and they have to insta leave XDD
still pagoda
That is exactly what happened with the group i made 2 months ago
steep bone
like honestly fuck those kind of people
bunch of plebs thinking that all keys must be timed and played perfectly or you're no worthy of his time xD
novel ruin
Come to America
steep bone
no you come to europe
still pagoda
No you come to europe
astral crystal
just come bro ๐ฅต
undone sun
steep bone
seriously tho, i played on NA once, but 180-200ms is unplayable
still pagoda
It will be ~250ms in my case
If i lived in Vladivostok, like hell i would go to US west instead of EU
But otherwise, no
undone sun
NA wow is
steep bone
NA wow is
undone sun
both correct
vocal skiff
astral crystal
rsrsrsrsrsrs
undone sun
wwwwwww
burnt torrent
How do i get spec tags?
undone sun
roles? only the SF+ get them
burnt torrent
Ah like, prot, fury, arms?
undone sun
yup
burnt torrent
Ah, thank you
unreal parrot
Imagine complaining about ping when you live in the same country your servers are in
First world problems
still pagoda
@unreal parrot say this to Russian servers
that are in Paris
even my current server, Draenor, is located in Stockholm iirc
unreal parrot
Latin American servers are located in Chicago
mellow patio
Playing paladin ๐คฎ๐คฎ๐คฎ
mellow patio
steep bone
stark sage
๐
modern brook
I think he meant tol dagor
and weapons follow the same gearing process as everything else
except its Ilvl>no really ilvl> [stats]
onyx vessel
Baldurs gate 3 release on prepatch launch
Fuck doing shit on wow till sl launch then
strong forum
onyx vessel
strong forum
Can't play BG until after Christmas
Gonna have 2 weeks of coop nolifing with a buddy of mine
onyx vessel
Waiting for the heya its me imoen at that start
strong forum
Wait so is full release at 6th October, or just the early access
onyx vessel
Early access
onyx vessel
1 year btw
chilly brook
Full released almost a year later in September of 2017
onyx vessel
Early access
onyx vessel
Just looked it up
chilly brook
No but they use Early Access for a specific purpose
onyx vessel
Divinity 2 was kickstarted
chilly brook
It's literally an extra development tool for them
chilly brook
They didnt need the EA funding they just use it as an actual tool
One of the only developers who actually uses it like it should be used lmao
onyx vessel
Dont care still gonna play it
chilly brook
Same
strong forum
No it'll only be a part of act 1 in EA
strong forum
Yeah what's the point
chilly brook
It's like playing a demo
strong forum
Exactly, what's the point
onyx vessel
Still better then the sl waiting room
strong forum
Can do that in full release
But instead you don't spoiler yourself several times
And have to play the game several times
strong forum
Na I'm not good with that
I literally skipped entire act 1 of d:os2 with a mod cuz I've seen it too many times
chilly brook
I played a lot of D:OS2 to just mess with the different builds
chilly brook
Act 1 imo was the best
chilly brook
There's like 7 different ways to do act 1 tho
strong forum
Yeah we've done like 6 in the first playthrough
Went back and did everything
In 2nd playthrough killed everything
And then just skipped that act, very boring
Act 2 is great, act3 is too short
strong forum
Na the fights are better
But it was a little too easy the 2nd time
One clapped the doctor
onyx vessel
Matters how op you are at that point
onyx vessel
Ive seen the final boss get 1 clapped
onyx vessel
My solo 2h character was pretty op with devourers set
Kill marked target reset all cds
Very balanced
onyx vessel
Yeah just dont play as a 2hander or pyro
Less overpowered
Or mod the game to be harder
astral crystal
o shit divinity 2 talk
i never beat devourer
didn't play cheese wolf tho
devourer on tactician is just a huge bitch
who /hype for bg3 aka dos3/
astral crystal
not too huge on early access for this kind of game since playing through the first act is usually a grind
onyx vessel
Shit a slapped devourer 1v1
In divinty2 it took me like 20 hours to get outta act 1 1st playthru
chilly brook
Act 1 first playthrough was honestly mind blowing
That game really turned me on to turn based combat isometric RPGs
astral crystal
i liked act 1 but i wouldn't want to replay it every time i wanna try different builds/teams
or choices
strong forum
Ya act 1 took us 16hrs
To 100% it
But a 2nd time I cba
With your 3 spells
And the same fights again
sick sentinel
fort bolstering /noose
steep bone
can i go like this into +15?
sick sentinel
im not 480 yet because good rings are hard as fuck to find and so are trinkets
still pagoda
Holy Square our God
steep bone
@still pagoda nah, friend came back to teh game so getting him weekly done and leveling alts ๐
and i cba building second td set XD
still pagoda
i'm talking of square WA's
it's fine, i just don't have anyone returning who needs help on horde
steep bone
Oh
arctic fulcrum
sweet summit
whats this
limpid pawn
is it just me, or is the scottish accent youtuber the hardest youtuber to understand
steep bone
yes tbh
steep bone
โ
chilly brook
These people must not be pushing their buttons
still pagoda
i was gonna bitch about how i don't lose aggro even on skittish
chilly brook
Either that or they're playing DH without TD
steep bone
unless its skittish there's absolute no way of losing aggro LULW
chilly brook
DH no SPB no corruption @steep bone
steep bone
or having 400ilvl with 480 frens
chilly brook
I mean like
Corruption is a bad way to gauge it anyways
But even if your DPS has TD and you dont....
You're not gonna lose aggro for much more than a second
steep bone
unless its dh who metajumps before u get to pack
and he procs it
then yeah well not ur fault
chilly brook
I just wanna pick the brain of the people who think it's too easy to lose aggro
steep bone
truu
i mean probs answers based on skittish and such one digit iq players that are as mentioned dh up there
that makes it hard for everyone xD
chilly brook
@arctic fulcrum what prompted this poll?
arctic fulcrum
A conversation between me and a friend. He wants threat to be effectively removed. I want to make it more important than it already is.
chilly brook
Why would your friend want it removed
still pagoda
chilly brook
And technically it was pretty important at the beginning of the xpac and through a significant portion of it
still pagoda
Threat is fine rn
chilly brook
If you didnt press your buttons and actually do damage youd lose threat
still pagoda
Why would you remove at least some part of gameplay that makes tank a tank?
chilly brook
That's why they buffed threat through the neck lmao
Cuz dummies dont know how to press buttons
steep bone
because this game is tuned for socials that don't bother with learning game but going in and being like OMG ITS SO HARD nerf pls
nova rover
so we have this and another week left of the xpack for the mask achieve?
sick sentinel
What's a good key this week?
mostly i try to stick to temple or workshop, because they are super linear, motherload is good too
novel ruin
@sick sentinel JY and FH are usually great keys anyweek
strong forum
Almost every key is easy this week
Bolstering may be annoying, but not hard if you don't chain pull
Temple and Workshop are giga easy for example
brittle owl
bfa ๐
still pagoda
BfA at that point 
nova rover
Question, 5 mask eye dude in stormwibd, what has worked forbyou guys?
still pagoda
Just not facing eyes and burning through him
Pace it out, don't panic and kill him with ease
He's really akin to first fight with pursuer in DS2
brittle owl
either that or you do him with titan buff and just ignore mechanics
pliant narwhal
so armors is buffed for additional 10% in SL?
hollow kettle
You get 100 % of your Strength in armor from Vanguard in the most recent version
Basically a passive Ironfur
pliant narwhal
ah nice!
topaz ember
What was vanguard at the start of bfa before they buffed it anyone remember ?
strong forum
45
They buffed it by 5% 3x in bfa
In SL we went from 75% to 90% to 100% so far in beta alone
strong forum
Yeah
brittle owl
๐ค
pliant narwhal
so prot warrior is becoming one of the best tanks in SL?
brittle owl
i guess
strong forum
Pwar has a solid chance of being really strong in SL
brittle owl
it's sorta like saying shit, besides smelling bad, now also tastes bad
pwarr raidwise is perfectly fine
especially since most people will prob go kyrian
topaz ember
Itโs like if you want sugar so you get some ice cream but now your ice cream also has sprinkles on it
still pagoda
Pwarr is fine for everything 
brittle owl
i wonder if they'll maintain the leggo trend of legion and keep adding leggos as the patches progress
still pagoda
Shear amount of bonuses from picking kyrian is nice
sweet summit
Give talent ring lego ๐ฉ
sweet summit
Great minds think alike ๐
strong forum
I said that first
topaz ember
I would love to see them add like HR to a ring
sweet summit
HR+bolster yep
sweet summit
๐ซ ๐ฆ
autumn pendant
eww
pastel sleet
I'm really big into crafting a personalized UI. been tweaking mine for years. Does anyone want to share theirs so I can compare/steal?
still pagoda
@pastel sleet #ui-addons-manager
midnight eagle
how big is the power creep from like a fresh 460+ character with no corruption versus someone the same ilevel with max corruption resistance and their best corruption?
cinder storm
yuge
dusky mica
re:adding leggos, the 'talent ring' leggo will probably arrive later since it's already a thing in Torghast
steep bone
waaait is rep buff gone ;o
random niche
Would Prot be OP if they made AM baseline and put Sudden Death in its place on the last tier?
I canโt remember if sudden death makes execute free or not but assuming the execute would be free
still pagoda
SD doesn't have any place in L50 row. This row is about different ways to keep our defensives up with one small outlier that is AM.
It would make sense to have SD in place of WM, yet it will be as dead as the current talent in that place
nova rover
@still pagoda thanks man, any suggestion for the major neck essence? Late to the mask game but want to give it a shot
sick sentinel
vision of perfection is good
ionic fern
We got plenty of AoE already - just use CoF for the ST fights.
nova rover
CoF is the one essence I dont have
sweet summit
How can you not have CoF
Its the first essence you get, and very easy to rank up. Just a quest once you reach x HoA level
nova rover
Didnt pvp
sweet summit
worthy karma
So, night fea or kyrian?
ionic fern
Both work.
AA>=Spear
Potion>KittyCat.
worthy karma
fair
mellow patio
Kyrian gud
trim bay
does anyone stack more then 1 DC?
i have the ability to do 3 or 1 DC, 1 MS and 1 Bloodsport
sweet summit
1 DC, 1 MS and something thats not bloodsport :/
trim bay
CR?
sweet summit
Anything else? xd
trim bay
im afraid not. running the second DC be better then those options?
sweet summit
Id just take 2nd DC there
trim bay
ok, thanks for the help ๐
devout hill
do i need to have 100% uptime on both shield block and ignore pain?
or is shield block something i should save for big hits>?
mellow patio
You should aim to keep SB up whenever you are actively tanking something
Dump rage into IP
Uptime is not an effective measure of performance
stark sage
you wont be able to have 100% uptime on block without very high levels of haste
devout hill
so only ip if im about to cap?
stark sage
and HR
devout hill
or i need it
stark sage
you can spend rage on IP as much as you want so long as you have enough to keep block up
devout hill
i see
stark sage
only thing is IP buff caps so at a certain point all the rage spending does is feed into AM
where you'd be better off spending it on revenge or pooling it
1.3x is the IP cap
devout hill
also i get that i should be using avatar on cooldown, are there any other defensives that i should be aiming to use frequently?
devout hill
AM?
stark sage
anger management
devout hill
is that like an azerite trait?
stark sage
talent
raw socket
COVENANTS ARE ASS
void plaza
Yea my friend has been in deep beta for a while and he was playing a prot warrior for years but he is now switching to dk
Told me dk are just too good atm
I was like wait for that nerf bat
sweet summit
filthy fotm rollers smh
void plaza
Iโm staying prot
sweet summit
good 
sweet summit
just make it now and you only have to level like 20 levels once prepatch hits or something ๐
modern brook
u could slam the brews instead i guess
mellow patio
Blood dk is buns
Only fun if your brain can only process one instruction per second
novel ruin
@mellow patio arenโt you a DH main?
novel ruin
Seeing you in DH channel
mellow patio
I play dh as an alt ye
novel ruin
Iโm sorry
mellow patio
I donโt mind bear either i guess. Canโt stand monk, canโt stand dk
And I will not consider a paladin until shield of the righteous is removed
modern brook
I like verything about bear except the dps rotation
or i guess i should say the core-rotational abilities
spice lotus
monk was really fun when CB was a lower CD for a while there, that felt really engaging. DK feels nice right now because they got unpruned stuff that is like... useful, so it feels like you have a lot of fresh utility
VS the sadness that is trying to use execute in hard content when you actually want that rage
modern brook
Warrior is the poster child of the unpruning being a bad idea tbh
Like we get execute which will see about as much use as devestator did this expac, and the dps specs get sheild block ๐ฌ
chilly brook
When CB was a lower CD wat
When CB was a lower CD you just purified every time you could and pressed CB on CD
strong forum
the only real aspect where the unpruning was really impactful is for pvp
getting IP, intervene, piercing howl, shattering throw for pvp is insanely good
SB at times too
for when youre getting dicked by melee
novel ruin
^
Challenging shout probably has some niche cases in PvP as well against Unholy and Hunters
chilly brook
Challenging shout will actually be a nice button to have
novel ruin
For PvE? Not imo
chilly brook
It has use in pve, assuming you have no rage ready to waste on offensive spells or big burst CDs on adds that need to be clapped asap in a raid
I.e. people can go ham and you dont need to worry
It's a very niche use
novel ruin
Threat mechanics are archaic
chilly brook
Skittish wasnt an issue imo
It was only an issue if you didn't press buttons
But y'know apparently theres a huge portion who that applies to
still pagoda
it was an issue with dummies
chilly brook
Like I said apparently theres a huge portion that applies to
still pagoda
dumb fire mages, DH's and sometimes warlocks
stark sage
who's even losing aggro
still pagoda
who's even losing aggro [2]
stark sage
last time tanks had aggro issues was like pre raid 8.0
novel ruin
DH?
Threat is a uninteresting archaic design that needs to be revamped or gotten rid of
mellow patio
Just say old breh
chilly brook
Meh I like threat
ยฏ\_(ใ)_/ยฏ
I think it was in a good place coming into 8.0 but we've moved back to it not being an actual consideration
void plaza
how it should be is, the boss is pulled i use taunt and thats it i have the boss unless someone has a move that TAUNTS the boss
remove threat all together
novel ruin
Lazy?
void plaza
not lazy
novel ruin
I have enough things to do as a tank in m+ that worrying about threat is another added stressor I dont need. In Raid, threat is a non-issue and Blizzard should be more focused on improving Raid Tanking in general. Make it more active. Make bosses hit hard and then have some sort of mechanic in which you as the tank get to make the choice of dodging it or not. If you dodge it, you dont take the damage. If you do get hit by it, the raid gets something.
modern brook
who's even losing aggro
@stark sage You never start a pull then get up to make some tea?
void plaza
^ haha
modern brook
Threat exists rn to force at least 1 tank into compositions
Theoretically, they could remove tanks from the game -turn them into more dps specs, remove or lower white damage from bosses, and you really wouldnt notice a difference on the overhead of wow
IMO they either need to make tanking (specifically raid tanking) more cognative in some way
Or just kill it completely it doesnt add anything in the current formula
novel ruin
No, threat should be a mechanic. But it should not be an active mechanic that everyone deals with. It should be a mechanic that only tanks take part in
modern brook
Ehh its basically that now
Esp in raid
in m+ i think killing threat is probably an unhealthy decision
modern brook
I'm going to make a very shitty analogy so bear with me nvm it sucked
void plaza
Getting the pop corn
modern brook
in keys without threat every single dungeon will pull exactly like the opening of TD where possible
As a tank in dungeons your job is to control pace
without threat you're kind of just getting hit
i think it takes away from that overall experience
modern brook
if no one else can ever pull threat
novel ruin
Survivability vs Damage does
novel ruin
The reason that TD beach pull works is because the mobs are not dangerous
modern brook
Fair enough, but i mean thats what the derider of "where possible" is for
sweet summit
Crocs fuck
modern brook
like is every single mob supposed to have some party wide mechanic now?
modern brook
Erga has a reptile fetish
novel ruin
Yes so they arent dangerous to good groups
modern brook
I mean maybe TD was a bad example, but in a world where only the tank can hold threat
novel ruin
Dangerous to me means that someone has the potential to die. Like first part of first boss in FH
and there isnt really any counterplay to that death
modern brook
all else holding equal, the only reason you wouldnt pull the universe and kite like crazy is because theres too many mechanics that would threaten the group, be it an important kick or random targets etc
novel ruin
That is m+
novel ruin
Yes, my point being that I as a tank already have a TON to focus on in m+
I dont want to focus on threat
as well
chilly brook
How do you even worry about threat in m+
modern brook
play brewmaster :^)
chilly brook
I haven't worried about threat on a tank unless it's a DH running gluttony without TD
novel ruin
Good fire mages
sweet summit
Bad DHs
modern brook
Yes, my point being that I as a tank already have a TON to focus on in m+
my point is that the reason you have all that to focus on is because you're limited by threat
like if you kill threat
You just pull up to whatever is comfortable
chilly brook
So you're using fire mages who have a game breaking thing called corruption as justification for threat is bad
modern brook
and then run away untl your dps aoe it down
rinse repeat and granted thats what M+ is now, but like the size of "whatever is comfortable" is signficantly increased
sweet summit
I disagree? I havent thought about threat in a very long time
chilly brook
Corruption is dumb
novel ruin
@modern brook I never think about threat being a limiting factor
chilly brook
And again I haven't worried about threat since not having TD on gluttony
sweet summit
Imean its fine as it is atm. But start 8.2 was a shitshow with threat holy moly
chilly brook
8.2 just clap 4head
novel ruin
If there is a mechanic in the game and you never think of it, perhaps it should get changed? And the times you DO have to deal with it are annoying and unfun.
chilly brook
The only thing that makes threat annoying is your cotank getting 5 TD procs in a row ripping threatb
modern brook
Its not that threat is what you're thinking about when you do things, its what stops you from doing stupid shit
it forces you to actually grab aggro
chilly brook
Threat again is literally only a limiting factor for bad players
modern brook
You can just run at something leap away and then run for the entirety of the pull
chilly brook
It makes you play the game
modern brook
^
chilly brook
And press your buttons
novel ruin
I disagree that threat does that
chilly brook
modern brook
some high tier analysis tbh but yeah thats basically my point
novel ruin
If Im not pressing things, I am slowing things down
Kiting is not fun and engaging content
chilly brook
Tell that to Legion meta
modern brook
It doesnt matter whats fun, it matters whats good
chilly brook
Legion kiting says hi
novel ruin
and you can stop kiting by having anti-kite mechanics
modern brook
at least from a mechanical design pov
players will ALWAYS take the path of least resistence
chilly brook
So in order to fix a problem that was created by removing something that wasnt a problem we need to implement more mechanics to fix the problem we created
Seems legit
modern brook
and if that means a key is 25 minutes ofj ust sprinting through the whole thing back and forth while my dps wittles the dungeon down
novel ruin
Its about having a mechanic be engaging
Threat is not
therefore it should be altered
chilly brook
?
modern brook
I want to stress i hardcore agree with you in a raid setting
but in m+ i think threat is the backbone of tanking
chilly brook
Threat is literally one of the most engaging mechanics in the game
Its literally press your shit
Or get fucked
cinder pasture
If I don't have aggro as tank, I won't die ๐
chilly brook
In raids threat is a mechanic that actually punishes you for not playing well if your cotank is pushing himself
In m+ it makes you stay in the action and actually do damage if your group is pushing damage
Literal definition of an engaging mechanic
modern brook
Raid tanking sucks, is really my point
maybe its just bfa
but the last two years has been one giant Z for tank kind
and raden
and grong but grong was only fun cause i was right
modern brook
fetid was the guy that ate fromt he poop chutes right?
chilly brook
Uhhh guy who hit the OT really fucking hard every third auto
modern brook
Oh yeah i guess
IDK my problem with tank mechanics is that so many of them are just "taunt at X"
and u just ZZZ through the rest of the fight
novel ruin
Which is why they need to make them more active for tanks
mellow patio
I prefer to snooze keep your need for engagement to yourself thanks
steep bone
SL Delayed โค๏ธ
dusky mica
More time to shit on warriors.
steep bone
im just halping guildies leveling alts
Veng dh level scaling to pre wod times is so broken xD
grizzled forge
andy said he thinks vit sac is only procin on one elite every 1 minute not all elites
exotic pewter
Thx
Yeah, I was checking the #698541559049748520 , but got lost among the huge amount of emoticons and gifs
strong forum
Yeah cuz nothing really to discuss mostly
So we just jam and have a good time
Don't hesitate to ask questions
trim bay
From people playing the PTR I heard we are the 6th best tank for raid and 5th best for mythic plus. Should we re roll a prot pally or DK. I haven't played the PTR and don't want to switch my main. I dont understand why blizzard cucks us
stark sage
sweet summit
we're not cucked, if anything we got overbuffed
trim bay
Ok well I'm miss informed
sweet summit
dont blame ya, i blame the ones spreading misinformation
trim bay
It was a video with all the tank classes with pros and cons. It was so convincing lol.
still pagoda
@trim bay mate, it doesn't matter what you're playing if you're not going for WF. And yes, we were buffed significantly in last few weeks
trim bay
Yea wicked. Haha nah more like world last.
still pagoda
exotic spoke
I just wish I could get beta access. I blame @strong forum and @lusty grotto
sweet summit
good enough for me!
exotic spoke
Nah. I wouldnโt kill ghash. Heโs a qtpie
lavish hare
Hey everyone. Iโm sure all the pros are sick of answering the same questions from noobs like me. Iโve been fury always, and started to prot this late patch, reaching 2/12M so far, really proud and got to say a lot of fun tanking. So I will probably tank this expansion, with off Fury. I read a little bit about the covenants and all (as a noob i got to say I am a little confused, will prob learn as I play) but if possible, would like a heads up from you. What should be the covenant of choice for me? And will I find dificulties to swap classes like I do today? For example, tank one M+, and as soon as we finish I DPS the other just by clicking the โactivateโ class button.
Thanks in advance
Sorry, just realizes thereโs a prot Shadowlands channel, will adress there
lusty grotto
undone sun
modern brook
Nim doesnt know the SL is for retail though
onyx vessel
ember arrow
@undone sun wow good?
sweet summit
why do you ping the guy that doesnt even play :/
still pagoda
undone sun
steep bone
Is wow worth to play?
calm cove
No
modern brook
slow day in protdiscord
modern brook
๐ฆ i want to check it out but im tryna remain spoiler free :/
steep bone
@modern brook
||we will be whining about blizz stupid ideas of another rngfiesta mechanics but still play as wow is love||
queen oyster
What legion legendaries would you guys use for increasing dps in tinewalking?
steep bone
Sephuz, trinket (maybe?)
and kiljaeden burning wish?
sephuz, hands, burning wish**
i'd say this
rest are just defensives
@queen oyster
queen oyster
You can use 3?
steep bone
im pretty sure you could use 3
or was it 2 + aman thul
Oh ye its 2+ amanthul
then go hands+whatever + amanthul
not sure if aman thul is any good tho, it used to be good but dunno about dungeons
queen oyster
Ill give it a go
steep bone
hands give you more dmg from SS/TC after u use devastate, everything else is like defensive value, burning wish is aoe with 1min cd so if you gather big pull and drop it then dmg should be juicy, dunno how it scales tho
steep bone
okay senpai, tell me why feral is so bad ;_;
well 'bad' xD
onyx vessel
how is he a traitor warrior is dead bear is gud 
undone sun
was SF prior ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
sweet summit
plate ones
not a big deal, what stats are on them as long as its plate strenght ๐
still pagoda
for which class you're leveling
the ones that give haste
:)
basically
take heirlooms that are for your class
ionic fern
Don't overthink heirlooms. :)
They are there just for the experience.
sweet summit
the one that looks like the molten core set idk
still pagoda
^^
sweet summit
i think that set looks cooler
ionic fern
That's it.
sweet summit
sounds good
still pagoda
HoJ heals now
and doesn't have double attack effect now
at least the heirloom one
sweet summit
same xd
still pagoda
it really doesn't matter
pick the one that looks the fanciest to you
well, you don't minmax leveling on retail
:)
sweet summit
leveling is a joke compared to classic
still pagoda
also. Working on some weird shit before pre-patch
@radiant scroll yeah, speeding up leveling is always good
as currently it's a boring slog
that you want to get through as fast as possible
dunno how it will play with all the improvements to leveling in pre-patch
just 1
you can replicate it through heirloom tab in collections
str
prot warrior still goes with ilvl > haste > everything else
still pagoda
strength is the most important stat for you
as agility doesn't scale for non-agility classes now
don't overcomplicate it and you'll be fine
:)
mate, ilvl always means str
yeah, you can't drop agility items as prot now
unless you're getting drops from legacy content
that are worthless outside of transmog
sweet summit
item level, the higher level the item is the more main stat aka strength it has generally
still pagoda
crit > vers
sweet summit
it will not make a noticable difference
still pagoda
str > haste > crit > vers > mastery for almost all the content. Basic rule is to prioritize higher ilvl pieces
at least on current level cap
just pick up higher ilvl str pieces during leveling
heirlooms scale with your level
but you won't have heirlooms in every single slot
You'll be fine
Don't overcomplicate it and just enjoy the game
Well, the way you're playing is what makes you good
Gear won't carry you nowadays
Yes, you are pretty much set to optimise it in endgame content, but otherwise i wouldn't stress it and learn the spec instead