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strong forum
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I can eat a whole cake every day

chilly brook
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It's literally the biggest source of my calories for sure

strong forum
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And it won't do shit

mellow patio
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I gain 3 pounds if I JOG PAST a McDonald’s

civic rover
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lmao

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i actually don't know what happened.

strong forum
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Sugar stuff has no effect on me at all, it does nothing

mellow patio
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5 if I walk

civic rover
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i actually don't know what happened.

strong forum
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Sugar stuff has no effect on me at all, it does nothing

civic rover
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in high school I was 6'4 260-270 lbs, now i'm about 235.

mellow patio
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6’4

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Gahdamn amazon

civic rover
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stopped focusing on the gains, focused more on da music

strong forum
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6'1 at 138lbs, nobody can beat that

mellow patio
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Jesus

civic rover
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nome that's like really fucking skinny

strong forum
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I know

mellow patio
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I kid you not I have not been 138 lbs since 4th grade

strong forum
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But im sporty as shit

civic rover
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i was 138 lbs when i was six months old

strong forum
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Literal cardio bull

chilly brook
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In high school I was 6'1 250-270 senior year depending on football season or wrestling season

civic rover
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ye i did those sports too

mellow patio
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Wrastlin’*

strong forum
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I'm a climbing / biking / hiking kinda guy

civic rover
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thought about trying to play center/right guard for college but i was too small

mellow patio
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I was 310 when I played football in college... when I quit I dropped 80 pounds within a year

chilly brook
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I had the offer to play o line in college at the US Merchant Marine Academy

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My dumbass said no

civic rover
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hawgz what position on the line

mellow patio
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I was a right tackle

chilly brook
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I was quick guard

distant crystal
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a strong wind is gonna fuckin yeet @strong forum into the stratosphere

civic rover
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sophomore year in HS i played right tackle, junior year center, senior year left tackle.

mellow patio
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I played center all through high school and was recruited to play tackle

chilly brook
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Being the pulling guard us 10/10

strong forum
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You'd think that, but I'm too fast for the wind

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I outrun it

brittle owl
mellow patio
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But I actually wasn’t that good in college and never saw the field so I prioritized my education like some kind of fuckin nerd

chilly brook
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I hated offensive line until I got moved from tackle to guard

civic rover
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i played left tackle because my pass protection was on point

strong forum
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Played football once, and I knocked over a 300lbs guy... Felt nice

civic rover
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i was recruited by the local "catholic" high school to play defensive tackle but when they saw my pass pro sophomore year they pulled me up to varsity and i was like "ok sick"

strong forum
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I mean proper football

brittle owl
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6'1 at 138lbs, nobody can beat that
@strong forum you're fucking light as shit

strong forum
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Not this American stuff

mellow patio
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Don’t you ever say fairy ball kick is proper football

chilly brook
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Ye I only played one year of JV

brittle owl
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i'm 81 kg at 179 cm lmao

strong forum
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Ye thats what I should be at, but I haven't gained weight for 9 years

brittle owl
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have you tried eating

strong forum
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Ain't eating more than I want to

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Thx

civic rover
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i got a couple D2 offers and was looked at by some D1 schools but I just couldn't compete at all. All those dudes are like 6'5, 6'6, 6'7, all 315+ lbs, and still fast.

brittle owl
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i'm actually aiming of getting to around 90 kg's by the time i'm in my early 30's

civic rover
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decided football wasn't for me at that point.

chilly brook
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Actually one of the guys I played with in HS is in the NFL now

brittle owl
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prob realistic to reach that at around 35

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in order to keep my current body comp

strong forum
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That's almost fat

civic rover
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my friend who played linebacker is now on the bench at boise state.

brittle owl
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i mean

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i'm borderline obese if you look at BMI index

chilly brook
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I need to drop weight tbh

brittle owl
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but i'm 15-20% bodyfat

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closer to 15% ish

strong forum
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I mean if you work out, sure

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That's fine then

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I have perfect cardio body. It do be like that

brittle owl
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idk i have a bit of belly fat left over and i can't decide if i wanna cut down further or just continue with a very small calorie surplus

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i've always had good endurance

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somehow

chilly brook
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I looked good at 235 ngl

brittle owl
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and never actually specifically trained it

civic rover
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i look good at 235 rn ngl

strong forum
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People always complain that I don't go pro in biking..

brittle owl
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outside of basketball/snowboarding

strong forum
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"wasted potential"

chilly brook
brittle owl
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even tho i've been smoking for 12 years lmao

strong forum
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Yikes

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Smokers

distant crystal
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fix the gig line smh

brittle owl
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you're p tall i take it griff?

civic rover
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said he's 6'1 i think

brittle owl
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over 6 in freedom units?

chilly brook
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6'1

strong forum
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Same as me then

chilly brook
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I'm just kinda stocky somehow at that height

brittle owl
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kinda have some belly fluff in that pic ngl

chilly brook
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Ye but I mean

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Running 2 miles in 12 minutes

brittle owl
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that's p decent

civic rover
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im really stocky now but in high school i was big as fuck

brittle owl
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i was, at my same height (5'11 in freedom units i think) 154 freedom pounds in highschool

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but i was completely ripped

chilly brook
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Also that picture was after going from 290 to 235 in one semester of college

brittle owl
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now i'm less so but i have almost 10kg worth of muscle on me

chilly brook
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Also as you can see in the picture I didn't adjust my diet

brittle owl
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i mean

chilly brook
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I just worked out three times a day

brittle owl
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military life means you get prepared meals right?

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oh wait

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there's a pizza hut box on the floor

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kekw

chilly brook
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Lmao

civic rover
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pizza hut is kinda good ngl

brittle owl
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pizza hut is fucking gross gtfo

chilly brook
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Like I said

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I didn't adjust my diet

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I just worked out a lot

civic rover
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my diet has been the same since i was 12

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im 19 now.

chilly brook
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Actually that's half true I stopped drinking soda

brittle owl
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rip

chilly brook
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Which was huge

brittle owl
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guess i'm lucky

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never was a fan of soda

mellow patio
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Soda kills your metabolism

civic rover
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parents never gave me soda

mellow patio
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That’s the worst thing it does

brittle owl
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soda kills your fucking kidneys

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had a uni friend

mellow patio
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You only need one

brittle owl
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that almost needed to remove 1 kidney

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because it got fucked from drinking 4l of coke every day

chilly brook
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If I stopped drinking soda I would probably not need to change a whole lot else

brittle owl
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for 7 years

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and not drinking water

mellow patio
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Soda didn’t kill his kidney

chilly brook
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4L

mellow patio
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Lack of water did

chilly brook
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Damn son

brittle owl
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both did really

mellow patio
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I mean sure but the real killer there is not drinking water

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4L is obv a ridiculous amount

brittle owl
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that's like my daily water intake, in the form of a sugary carbonated drink

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i get a headache just thinking about that

mellow patio
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Tastes better

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Lmao

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If i drink more than 1 or 2 sodas I feel like I am slowly dying

brittle owl
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i only drink sodas at the movies, when i am horribly hungover and if i eat fast food

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so like

strong forum
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I drink like 0.5l of energy and 2l of water every day

brittle owl
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3-4 times a year

strong forum
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Sometimes more sometimes less

mellow patio
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Hangover soda

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🤮

civic rover
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i drink excessive amounts of chocolate milk

mellow patio
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Everyone knows that blue Powerade is the cure for a hangover

civic rover
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i fucking love powerade

brittle owl
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nah fam

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eggs benny with french fries and ice cold coke

strong forum
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Bruh cold blue powerade on a hot summer day

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Is bis

civic rover
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biscuits and gravy is bis breakfast

mellow patio
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Miss me with red

brittle owl
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that's a real hangover cure

mellow patio
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If you drink red Powerade you are a serial killer

distant crystal
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the cucumber lime one

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is da bes

strong forum
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That shit empty in like 1 minute

brittle owl
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energy drinks are whack

mellow patio
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You’re whack

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Bodies are machines

brittle owl
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your face is whack

mellow patio
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Machines need fuel

brittle owl
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yeah

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i eat 2 tbsp of honey before workout

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1 during it

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1 after

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bear energy

mellow patio
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I shotgun a fourloko

strong forum
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I shotgun an entire cake by myself

brittle owl
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if it's a cheesecake

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same

mellow patio
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Is cheescake more of a pie or is it a cake

brittle owl
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or carrot cake

dense flame
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Damn

civic rover
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im shotgunning pizza rn

mellow patio
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I lean towards pie

dense flame
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Chats lit this morning

strong forum
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I have a family pizza every day

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Still skinny

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Send halp

brittle owl
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kinda more like a cake doe

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pies get baked

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cakes you bake just 1 part

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and the rest is cold

mellow patio
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So does cheesecake bro

civic rover
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i fucking hate cake

dense flame
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Eat more fast good @strong forum

brittle owl
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you just bake the crumble

mellow patio
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No

strong forum
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I almost exclusively eat fast food... :(

brittle owl
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i guess you bake the whole thing if you make it a basque cheescake

dense flame
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You need Mexican food

brittle owl
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so it's a pie then

strong forum
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I spend like 100€ a week on food

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:(

mellow patio
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Yeah that is real cheesecake

dense flame
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Lots of lard beans

chilly brook
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@mellow patio yo dawg I ain't never kilt nobody

brittle owl
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with cognac

dense flame
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And fatty meats

brittle owl
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I spend like 100€ a week on food
whelp

mellow patio
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You have if you drink red Powerade

brittle owl
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that's dumb

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just precook your meals if you cba

chilly brook
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Let's be honest though orange powerade/Gatorade>any other flavor

mellow patio
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What

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No

brittle owl
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1 hour and you have food for a whole week

mellow patio
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You psychopath

civic rover
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lemon lime gatorade is bis

chilly brook
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Orange Gatorade is BiS

civic rover
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green apple gatorade

mellow patio
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I won’t entertain this conversation

brittle owl
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yo

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fam

civic rover
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is good too

brittle owl
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drink fucking water

strong forum
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Water is unironically bis

mellow patio
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Take your water and go read a book nerd

brittle owl
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next time you're stoned and thirsty and don't have any water around you

mellow patio
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This is gamer talk

strong forum
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Nothing is better than water

brittle owl
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you'll remember this

chilly brook
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When you out training in the kentucky heat and you get back to the dfac for like the one hot meal you get to enjoy and they're out of orange Gatorade you wanna die

brittle owl
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you fucking nerd

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@strong forum water bois rise up

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💧

strong forum
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🚰

mellow patio
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I mean I throw down what feels like 7 gallons of water because I have an addiction to drinking fluids when gaming lmao

civic rover
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ok boys

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real talk

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whats the best sandwich

brittle owl
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croque madame

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or

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po boi

civic rover
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if it's not a reuben it's wrong

brittle owl
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or

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cubano

mellow patio
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Grilled. Cheese.

brittle owl
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croque madame is just a posh and better grilled cheese

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po boi is where the gravy's at

chilly brook
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Best sandwich is a bbq tri tip

brittle owl
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cubano is bis bbq sandwich

mellow patio
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Fuck yeah America

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BBQ

civic rover
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there's a food truck near me that sells a tri tip sandwich and it's good as fuck

mellow patio
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Whole hog bbq sandwich or die

brittle owl
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just roast a cow in between two giand loafs

mellow patio
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Whenever I travel to Texas for work I drive one hour for franklins BBQ

brittle owl
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ngl

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texas barbeque is fucking lit

mellow patio
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I am well traveled and Texas BBQ is a top 5 food worldwide

brittle owl
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unironically

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yes

civic rover
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texas also has Whataburger

mellow patio
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The best food I’ve ever had was from this restaurant in Australia and I don’t even remember the name

civic rover
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my girlfriend and I went to Italy last summer and we had the best pizza i've ever tasted

mellow patio
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History lies

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Pizza did not originate in Italy

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It belongs no where but New York City

brittle owl
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if you have bad pizza in italy you're prob also sleeping with the bedlight on

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nah fuck that

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fam

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italian proper pizza is bis

mellow patio
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Italian pizza is good

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But it is not as good as NYC pizza imo

civic rover
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chicago pizza is the best american pizza

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end of story.

mellow patio
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No

brittle owl
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chigaco deep dish isnt really a pizza

mellow patio
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Deep dish is overrated breh

brittle owl
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but it's a good dish nontheless

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new york pizza is fucking tasteless

civic rover
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if you don't like every slice weighing 5 lbs then idk what to say.

naive barn
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#AMERICUH

civic rover
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murica

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fuck yea

mellow patio
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Huge fan of Italian pizza don’t get me wrong, but NYC just hits different my man

civic rover
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NYC pizza is good as fuck

mellow patio
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Although one thing I learned while in Italy was how serious of a product olive oil is lmao

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I did an olive oil tasting similar to a wine tasting

civic rover
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best part of going to italy is im allowed to buy wine

brittle owl
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stupid part is

chilly brook
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I really wanna visit Italy again

brittle owl
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you know that most italian exported olive oil is bootlegged @mellow patio

mellow patio
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Love to hear that

brittle owl
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most reliable source for olive oil is mostly turkey

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isnt as great as the og's in italy

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but at least it's not bootlegged

chilly brook
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The best pizza I ever had was some place outside of pompei

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It's been so long though

brittle owl
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further south you go the better the pizza gets

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further north is where the pasta's at

chilly brook
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Mmmm

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Pasta

brittle owl
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in the middle you get alot of roman dishes and cool condimented pork/veal dishes

chilly brook
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Rome was sick

brittle owl
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kinda like how in france when you go south there's more cheese stuff

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and im the north you get more savoury heavy dishes

mellow patio
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Went and saw how butter was made in France

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Nothing better than French butter

brittle owl
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facts

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altho

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some austrian butters are lit

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from tyrol

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them mountain cows man

mellow patio
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Never been to Austria unfortunately

brittle owl
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best place to ski in europe imo

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if you're into winter sports

mellow patio
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I live in NW USA we live outdoor winter sports

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Golf in the summer, ski in the winter

brittle owl
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austrian ski trip is defo worth

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ischgl or sölden are my top picks

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st möritz in switzerland is also cool but stupid expensive

mellow patio
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If Americans are ever allowed to travel to the EU again 🤣

brittle owl
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sadge

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give it another year and a half

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😂

mellow patio
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At least lmao

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We are still explaining to people what a virus is

brittle owl
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trust me

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everyone is

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🤦‍♂️

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makes me depressed thinking it's entirely certain imma miss a ski trip this year

mellow patio
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Aren’t we all

brittle owl
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that's why we jam

civic rover
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this pandemic has only proven that most people are dumb

sweet summit
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As if we didnt know that before this marok

civic rover
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i held out hope

novel ruin
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what is hope?

civic rover
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but the past few months i've just been blocking friends and relatives who try to have intellectual debates against science.

novel ruin
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The internet service I want to use for my business im opening cuts off a block away 😦

distant crystal
brittle owl
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The internet service I want to use for my business im opening cuts off a block away 😦

feels NA isp's man

novel ruin
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Guess i wont be getting that sweet fiber optic :(. Charter Spectrum it will have to be fml

distant crystal
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oof

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that's who i use currently, can't recommend

deep steppe
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same, its big yikes

distant crystal
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i get the weirdest fucking disconnects occasionally

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game freezes, pings stop responding

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i get the weirdest fucking disconnects occasionally

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game freezes, pings stop responding

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but i can still hear people in discord for like 10-15 seconds after everything else halts

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then i get dropped from discord and it all comes back

novel ruin
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Ive used Spectrum for my entire life

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and when TDS came around ion my town for my previous business i switched the day i could

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Fiber Optic lines

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$10 cheaper a month

distant crystal
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they had municipal fiber in my old town

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it was amazing

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1Gb for like $45/mo

novel ruin
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yup

brittle owl
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your provider policies are pretty yikes tbh

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having services get cut off a block away is pretty pepega

novel ruin
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its on the edge of the city

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so it kind of makes sense

brittle owl
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doesn't really

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if i want a specific provider and they don't have coverage where i am

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i can just simply pay extra and have them draw the line where i am

modern brook
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Thats the price of freedom dude

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Smh

novel ruin
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i dont want to pay lots of money for them to extend their line

brittle owl
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and it's usually a price that would get turned over p quickly as opposed to using a more expensive option/inefficient option

rugged sentinel
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Hey guys, I noticed a few weeks ago that a prot warrior in junkyard had mad damage from his spellreflect in the breakdown on details.

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What was that? I noticed it near gunker boss trash

oblique garnet
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Toxic monstrositys cast

rancid ember
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^ Cast before it goes off and you can just stand in the slime and keep DPSing

rugged sentinel
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Oooh. Can it be kicked and then it cucks you?

rancid ember
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No non-kickable spell

rugged sentinel
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/ is there a list somewhere of things that we can reflect?

rancid ember
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the pins

rugged sentinel
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Oh that google doc in info

ionic fern
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@rancid ember the reflectable/blockable one is not in pins in #protection .

rugged sentinel
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ty

rancid ember
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what Mwahi said.

pastel sleet
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so i know it doesnt matter.... cause push weeks are done for the season. but is it worth it to go from 29 > 59 corruption to replace 2 verse III with 2 Surging vit III

mellow patio
sweet summit
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can do some math and see what gives you more average vers, and if youre comfortable going over 40
pretty sure SV is more vers peepostudy

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say it hawgz

mellow patio
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|| Vers is for nerds ||

novel ruin
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SV is a very small increase

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But way more corruption

woven trellis
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hi

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whats your preference between IT1x2 or IT1x1 and more versatile

sweet summit
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2x IT1 slaps

novel ruin
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2x IT1 at least

buoyant scroll
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what is it1?

sweet summit
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ineffable truth rank 1

buoyant scroll
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ahh yeah thats neat

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since when is erga stormforged?

sweet summit
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yesterday

buoyant scroll
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nice gz

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rosjen aswell?

sweet summit
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cheers

sick sentinel
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What does stormforged mean?

distant crystal
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nerds

sweet summit
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you get a yellow name

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thats pretty much it

sick sentinel
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It's kind of a piss yellow

sweet summit
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:/

distant crystal
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you need to drink more water homey

sick sentinel
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I meant piss in general, my own piss is red

shadow haven
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thats very cool @distant crystal

deep steppe
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its all that dang water @sick sentinel

sweet summit
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👀

shadow haven
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but thats nothing

deep steppe
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you need some redbull

shadow haven
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look at this

sweet summit
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pog
champ

distant crystal
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🤔

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oh icon

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i really should update this pig

left sedge
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stupid question- how do you tell whats an upgrade or not for prot since prot doesnt sim

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such as in azerite traits

sweet summit
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prot can sim for dps

left sedge
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i had a person tell me prot isnt supposed to sim cause bad

sick sentinel
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Yeah it's completely irrelevant how tanky you are

sweet summit
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you kinda follow a priority list for general gearing
should be listed in the icy veins guide

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that person mightve been wrong. you can sim for dps, but you can not sim for survivability

left sedge
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i have 4 different chest pieces an i cant figure out which to use, 2 at 475 from titan resid vendor, and heroic vita/vex chests

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the 475s i have are the arterial protection an denizen

sweet summit
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arterial protection is Bastion and Deafening Crash/Bloodsport right?

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oh nvm

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do you have deafening crash anywhere else on your azerite gear?

left sedge
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yeah atm i have brace > blood rite > azerite veins > bury > +5

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on art prot chest

sweet summit
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yeah, anywhere else tho? you really want one of those

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and only one

left sedge
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for helm an shoulder i have heroic nzoth helmet and heroic madness shoulders

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so i have 1 crash 2 bastion an whatever the chest has

sweet summit
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BoM+DC on head, BoM+HoD on shoulders and arterial with BfI+BR is 👌

left sedge
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raidbots has me usin the denizen chest over vex chest for fury

sweet summit
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sounds about right

left sedge
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yeah an the other chest i have is from raden, the pulsing vita one

sweet summit
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its not that great for warriors

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it has decent traits, but yours is lower ilvl

left sedge
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yeah before today i was using vex chest for dps and denizen for prot, then i bought a chest tokken from residuum an got the arterial

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should i not be buying chest tokens an buy something else or is nzoth helmet of reality the best one

sweet summit
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unless you can do mythic skitra for the shoulders, id buy shoulders next to get some extra ilvl

left sedge
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okay

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ive been trying to get the darkness shoulders and gloves from heroic cara pace but they havent dropped same with a 2nd dev hour off nzoth

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im probly a noob for this but i dont have any corrupted items on my prot build either

sweet summit
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oh yeah, heroic carapace shoulders are also pretty good

left sedge
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yeah i have normal darkness shoulders an 2 of the heroic madness ones

sweet summit
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you have no twilight devastation? :(

left sedge
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only td i have is on my dev hour sword for fury

sweet summit
left sedge
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hehe this warr is only an alt of my 475 2k io hunter

sweet summit
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if you are using heart of darkness on your shoulders you should equip any corruption to get above 25 after corruption, or take another trait

left sedge
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im running bastion, iron fort, overwhelming power and impassive on the prot variant of my writhing spaulders of madness

sweet summit
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aye, sounds good

left sedge
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for helmet i have deaf crash, bastion, ele whirl, and moment of glory

sweet summit
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👍

novel ruin
left sedge
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or is blood siphon better

novel ruin
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nah

sweet summit
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nah

left sedge
#

the shoulders have heart of darkness but id be swapping iron fortress for it

sweet summit
#

if you cant have 25 corruption after resistance, dont bother

left sedge
#

my capes level 8

novel ruin
#

But if you can HoD > IF

left sedge
#

of the corruptions available this week what ones do prots use? vers?

novel ruin
#

The TRUTH

sweet summit
#

prot doesnt actually use vers corruption

#

unless youre doing like +25 keys

left sedge
#

oh thats only for majorly high lvl pushing?

sweet summit
#

yeah, not even mythic raids

left sedge
#

yeah in my prot build im 469 ilvl and only 1 corrupted item is my bracers that have 15 corrupt of damage/healing from crits by 3%

#

i have 37 resist according to tooltip

novel ruin
#

then you prob cant use heart of darkness

left sedge
#

tho right now it shows my corruption is 0 even with the bracers on

novel ruin
#

yes cuz resistance

left sedge
#

i had rank 2 echo void on my ring but i cleaned an when i had it on i was only in the 30 somethings of corruption

sweet summit
#

that would've been nice to have

#

oh well

left sedge
#

oof

#

my rings i have are heroic nzoth with 99 speed and a sockket and then the other that had the r2 echoing is a 470 regal loa non socket

sick sentinel
#

Which prepot should I just for m+/raids

#

Mostly m+ since it's impossible to get a tank raid spot

left sedge
#

empowered prox for multi id think unbridled for single

sick sentinel
#

Not stats?

left sedge
#

or strength

novel ruin
#

unbridled for everything since it doesnt really matter

sweet summit
#

unbridled fury for 1-2 targets
empowered prox for 4+

#

i only prepot bosses since im cheap

sick sentinel
#

Hmm that does sound like an extra keybind

left sedge
#

if i have 2 shields at the same ilvl how do i tell which is better?

sweet summit
#

haste>crit

#

thats how

sick sentinel
#

I kinda edge towards Xanthos' answer

sweet summit
#

sure x)

novel ruin
#

If 5 people use an unbridled on an M+ boss it saves 2 seconds roughly

sick sentinel
#

Lul probably true yes

novel ruin
#

its probably less than that now since that number is from earlier in the expansion before Corruption

#

but its a very very small thing

#

but free besides gold cost

sick sentinel
#

But then 30 sec could be saved over the dungeon if everyone used as many as possible

left sedge
#

i have heroic ilgy sheild and heroic darkshore shield with the only difference between the two seeming to be swapping 13 vers an the haste for crit

sweet summit
#

the one with more haste is very slightly better

left sedge
#

with heroic carapace mace and ilgy's sheild i have 14% crit 48% haste 28 mast 16 vers 27 parry 26 block 4% speed 3% dodge

novel ruin
#

link a top gear sim

sweet summit
#

if you really want the nzoth trinket, sure go ahead. but scale is very good if you dont feel like you need it

sick sentinel
#

Is our dps really that far away from dps roles

#

I feel like it's closer

sweet summit
#

dunno, ill sim myself and see

novel ruin
#

What erga has is what i had

#

I sim for like 73ishk as prot warrior with TD 5

#

on ST

#

m+ gear is more like 54-55k

sick sentinel
#

Fair enough, td is the play below +29s, that's probably why I was confused about the dps

#

I only play up to 24s atm

sweet summit
#

ye i think i sim like mid 50s in my turtle gear

sick sentinel
#

If they had made this week at all playable

#

Raging explosives tyrannical who made this shit up lmfao

sweet summit
#

i hope he stubs his toe or something

sick sentinel
#

Yeah lul

novel ruin
#

@left sedge you dont sim dungeon slice

sick sentinel
#

How does he get 60k without any corruptions, gems or gear in general

novel ruin
#

@sick sentinel TD is not the play below +29s. Def would start full versing around the 24/25 mark

#

its a dungeon slice sim

#

not ST

sick sentinel
#

Has it been adjusted when versa is the play?

novel ruin
#

what do you mean?

sick sentinel
#

Nvm anyway with prepatch so close I guess

#

I used to read people still ran td in 27s etc

novel ruin
#

you can

#

very few do

left sedge
#

how do you prot sim for mythic+ then if dungeon slice isnt it?

sweet summit
#

not even 69 pepsihands

left sedge
#

was trying to see if punch card trinket was better

sick sentinel
#

To be fair the parameters for dungeon slice are kinda weird

#

Not how most dungeons go

novel ruin
#

For M+ you do Patchwerk 5 targets 30/60/90 seconds and compare

#

without lust

#

but again thats for damage

sweet summit
#

i dont really sim myself for dungeons
but id probably do yeah what xanthos said

novel ruin
#

tank damage doesnt really ever get simmed for in m+

sick sentinel
#

Healer sims are being developed

left sedge
#

ive never tanked on any affix beyond lvl 9

sick sentinel
#

When is it our turn

novel ruin
#

you cant develop a dungeon sim

#

well, you can,

#

but it will never be accurate

sick sentinel
#

You really don't have to sim for a +8, you can't really go wrong on such a level

left sedge
#

is ther ever a reason to have cracking thunder talent over bounding?

novel ruin
#

always

sick sentinel
#

You can probably 2 man a +8 at this point

sweet summit
#

longer rage on TC isnt bad

#

lower CD on leap isnt bad

novel ruin
#

TC gets pressed more often

#

therefore more use out of the TC range than leap CD

obtuse yoke
#

that's better than sea brawler's right?

sweet summit
#

pogpogpogpog

#

yeah

novel ruin
#

@sweet summit My pvp fury set is complete

sweet summit
#

pvp 👀

#

isnt that just prot pices and a geti 😂

novel ruin
#

pretty much

sweet summit
#

glad next or?

novel ruin
#

im 1563 this season

civic rover
#

my friend carried me to 1600 for CnS and then i never pvped again weird

sweet summit
#

1900 chad ama

civic rover
#

i should make a satirical post on reddit called "i did a 15 with no vers AMA"

novel ruin
#

Should be a 25 with no vers AMA

civic rover
#

i did mythic nzoth with no vers AMA

novel ruin
#

I installed wow with no vers AMA

sick sentinel
#

for real it's kinda sad they invented a way for tank damage to be kinda relevant again

#

and then versa came

novel ruin
#

prot warrior damage been relevant

#

forever

civic rover
#

yeah and half the raid leaders in the world tell tanks they need to go full defensive in a low tank damage raid weird

sick sentinel
#

they do?

civic rover
#

a surprisingly large amount

novel ruin
#

yup

civic rover
#

meanwhile my raid lead just said "go full TD until you get one shot by something we can't avoid"

novel ruin
#

and he let you play warrior in raid

civic rover
#

no i played brew for the first like three or four kills

sick sentinel
#

yeah tanks dying is rarely the issue, even contemporary classic they dont funnel gear to tanks anymore

#

just 16 years ago classic they did that

civic rover
#

and then I said "hey can I play warrior in raid now since this is the character i play the most" and he told me "why'd you even ask"

sick sentinel
#

serious question how do you even get a tank spot?

civic rover
#

right place at the right time

sick sentinel
#

feels like theyre always already filled lul

onyx vessel
sick sentinel
#

not trying to hot take here, just what I feel

civic rover
#

im only in my guild because like 15 12/12M players formed a guild and I've known their RL since legion and he said "hey come tank cutting edge you fat fuck" and i said "ok lol"

novel ruin
#

majority of guilds dont take outside tanks since they are so integral to the raid team

onyx vessel
civic rover
#

i learned my psychus route and then nzoth became one shot every week

#

i mean i personally think guilds don't replace tanks nearly as often as they should but I've never been an officer/raidleader/GM so i could be wrong

novel ruin
#

i started my trial as a dps but told em i was up for anything the raid needed. They then asked me i wanted to tank for SL and i said yes

onyx vessel
#

prot warrior mt

civic rover
#

looks like im playing vengeance in SL lul

sick sentinel
#

middle of the pack still

#

no brew/blood but still fine

novel ruin
#

i tanked some raid bosses for the first time last week

onyx vessel
civic rover
#

brew is looking so ridiculous lol

novel ruin
#

coming from a m+ environment where i take no damage to an environment where ilgy beam did 60-70% of my health was a bit weird

sick sentinel
#

yeah theyre gonna have to nerf guardian a bit to balance brewmaster

onyx vessel
#

sounds about right

civic rover
#

do you mean guard as in celestial brew

#

or is that satire

sick sentinel
#

no guardian druids

#

was being ironic lul

civic rover
#

lol

#

it's a shame really, i like bear tanking

novel ruin
#

ill prob play blood, pally or warrior for SL raid

civic rover
#

me and cotank are talking about one of us going monk and the other DH

novel ruin
#

my GM is monk tank

civic rover
#

since havoc looks like it won't be very good

#

my RL is a boomchicken weird

novel ruin
#

so im kinda just waiting in the wind to see what the raid needs

#

Do we need BoP? Then i go pally, we need Grip? DK, do we not need any of this stuff? Warrior

civic rover
#

i'm just gonna keep all the tanks geared because i have no life lol

novel ruin
#

I dont like sigil gameplay

#

ill prob go blood since its looking to be very very good so far

civic rover
#

DK and DH are looking solid in M+

novel ruin
#

DK death striking feels weird

sick sentinel
#

so all tanks except druids are good?

#

or what is the situation here

novel ruin
#

all tanks are fine

#

tank balance doesnt really matter for raid as long as each of em can live mechanics

civic rover
#

^

#

in M+ it's different since tank damage is also valued a lot

sick sentinel
#

didnt prot paladins get chunked 60% of their hp per raid boss melee

novel ruin
#

the higher you go up the totem pull, the more utility or damage a tank brings becomes more important

sick sentinel
#

or has that been fixed yet

novel ruin
#

pallies take damage yeah

obtuse yoke
novel ruin
#

but BoP/freedom / AOE damage may be worth it

#

@obtuse yoke How much overheal?

obtuse yoke
#

how do i check overheal in details?

novel ruin
#

hover over it

obtuse yoke
#

okie 1s

novel ruin
#

after clicking it

obtuse yoke
#

oh

#

25% kinda yikes but

#

it was only an 18? not sure if on higher it'd be lower

novel ruin
#

How many times did you press shell?

obtuse yoke
#

only like 4 times haha

novel ruin
#

Replace it

#

lol

obtuse yoke
#

LS only like 4 times too

sweet summit
#

how many times did you press LS 👀

#

monka

#

was it a low key or

obtuse yoke
#

it was an 18 freehold

#

i was never in any danger

sweet summit
#

Ls isnt that key

civic rover
#

HE'S DIFFERENT GET HIM

novel ruin
#

25% overheal isnt horrible. if it was 30 or above i def would replace the 3rd visage

sweet summit
#

LS is a shield block

#

thats it

#

thats how you use it

obtuse yoke
#

i just wanted to see 3x visage and how it'd heal, didn't really think about my trinkets

novel ruin
#

if he never ran out of blocks when he needed em, then no need to press LS

obtuse yoke
#

probably lower than 25% overheal on keys that are competitive for me

novel ruin
#

anyone want to do alliance NA keys?

sweet summit
#

NA cojo
Alliance cojo

sick sentinel
#

lul

sweet summit
#

playing LEAGUE with the BOYS
ready to TILT

civic rover
#

xanthos i have an extremely scuffed brewmaster

#

on alliance

#

it's like 460 ilvl with no corruption

sweet summit
#

mate ill make an NA account for SL

novel ruin
#

@civic rover go WW and we can do keys

#

or MW

civic rover
#

dont have WW weapons and i've never healed before

#

gonna have to say no friend

novel ruin
#

rip

#

time to try this +12

sweet summit
#

on big dk?

novel ruin
#

warrior, TD 5

#

i didnt do a key last week

autumn pendant
#

lol

sick sentinel
#

If you dont do a weekly, your key resets entirely?

#

Damn

novel ruin
#

nah, just went to a 22 after i did that 12

#

doing 17 wcm now

distant crystal
#

it drops 1 lvl per week you're gone

limpid pawn
#

kind of a strange question - but anyone here good with after effects?

sweet summit
#

Im good with paint if thats enough 👀

limpid pawn
novel ruin
#

welp

#

failed 17

sweet summit
#

Unlucky

autumn pendant
#

welp

#

at least finished

#

right?

novel ruin
#

nope

#

we wiped on sisters

autumn pendant
#

👀

distant crystal
#

you need vers

#

clearly

obsidian cairn
#

Which is better

#

or

onyx vessel
#

bottom one

obsidian cairn
#

Any reason?

distant crystal
#

dat parry yo

steep bone
#

Hi frens

orchid frigate
#

wee last vision today for my warrior

#

then ill question myself why i needed max resistance

#

ill blame it on OCD

ionic fern
#

At this point i'm pretty sure i'm like 4-5 weeks behind.

distant crystal
#

that's what n'zoth kills are for

ionic fern
#

I haven't raided for atleast 6 months now.

orchid frigate
#

will feel so good to leave this whole corruption debacle behind

ionic fern
#

I'm just happy that there will not be any more tanks in m+ going "Wtf is your DPS, it's lower than mine!!!" - 90% of his DPS is TD.

orchid frigate
#

yeah its so stupid

still pagoda
#

It is really stupid

orchid frigate
#

and not fun at all

orchid frigate
#

wow 140g for undertow flask

mental scarab
#

Its super fun to Do chad dmg

orchid frigate
#

wee did my first 5-mask on my baby pala and got bracers with both TD and a socket

ionic fern
#

Death to Corruption.

orchid frigate
#

@ionic fern i do super low damage as protpala 😦

#

is it suppose to be like that?

ionic fern
#

Idk what you are comparing to.
BUt no.

#

👀

orchid frigate
#

ok :/

ionic fern
#

Then again, atm most of every tanks damage is TD so....

orchid frigate
#

must be doing my rotation wrong

ionic fern
#

Are you using Seraphim?

orchid frigate
#

nope

ionic fern
orchid frigate
#

aha ok

#

used it while leveling

ionic fern
#

Actually idk... @wooden radish do you use Seraphim in m+ for dps?

#

I'm fairly sure they still do.

#

Since the other options are RP&LD

orchid frigate
#

other than that i just use judgement, sotr and hammer of the righteous

ionic fern
#

AVENGERS SHIELD

orchid frigate
#

and that

#

when it pops

#

every time its available so to say

ionic fern
#

THat sounds about right.

#

As always, hard to say w/o logs etc.

orchid frigate
#

mhm

ionic fern
#

ANd probably safest to ask in HoW.

orchid frigate
#

im sure i do plenty mistakes

#

guess so 🙂

wooden radish
#

Hi

#

In BFA?

#

You use it in everything but high keys.

#

And by high I mean, keys in the 20s

brittle owl
#

full vers stack seraphim is a better cd than SotR

#

kekw

orchid frigate
#

ok thanks!

steep bone
wooden radish
#

full vers stack seraphim is a better cd than SotR
@brittle owl imagine not knowing how damage reductions work in wow. 🙃

brittle owl
#

🤔

#

sure thing

wooden radish
#

great come back

civic rover
#

i just think seraphim is more fun

strong forum
#

Anything that increases whatever you're doing is fun.
Especially when it's haste

#

It's also impossible to not mention on tos last boss during the buff, that "this is how the game should always play" .

still pagoda
wooden radish
#

too bad sera is likely dead in SL without a massive buff

strong forum
#

Saw naowh trying that in a +20 with full affixes

#

He didn't fly so good

wooden radish
#

its larger defensive loss in SL than in BFA (its basically 0 in BFA)

#

but DPS wise, its worse then DP

#

you get no gain from it

civic rover
#

who cares

#

more haste is FUN

#

blizz can't stop my FUN with nerfs catjamhypers

strong forum
#

Paper planes are also fun Sighted

civic rover
#

paper plane throwing in the zoom meeting

daring isle
#

any tank want try Ny hc 30 tank group (r3 warden and r3 TD required) group up now 🙂

near pewter
#

Anyone have recommendations for trinkets as Prot when running visions?

sweet summit
#

scale/vita/cyclo/fang
cyclo is the big one tbh

distant crystal
#

fang with gift of the titans

steep bone
#

gotta try

strong forum
#

Let's see what my cache has.

#

Oh right. Nothing yep

naive barn
#

@daring isle EU og na ?

limpid pawn
#

cyclo for visions is ok

#

i wanna compare it with drest trinke tthough

dusky mica
#

optimising for visions huh

#

merektha's or obsidian claw

#

nothing else is close

#

both garbage in most circumstances except when you have extreme haste

rancid ember
#

just put on td6 and jam

limpid pawn
#

Obsidian claw?

#

Like the intellect one?

sick sentinel
#

Idk I run claw in junkyard

#

Because I finish the last 10 energy it doubles my dps on the last boss

olive gust
#

out of 460 humming, 460 vita, 475 bandages, 475 sporepods, 460 warding sigil, 465 jewls howel w/ socket, 475 barnacle, which would be the 2 geneirc used for 17-20's?

rancid ember
#

Vita + Bandages if you want the defensive CD, otherwise Vita / Pods or Barnacle (there's a sheet that has which is better DPS wise, forget which).
I usually use Vita + Shell

sweet summit
#

vita scale

undone sun
#

i wouldn't recommend sporepods even if it's higher ilevel by a mile

deep steppe
#

Vita Scale for sure

strong forum
#

vita + scale

rancid ember
#

Does no1 like a defensive trinket anymore? 😦

strong forum
#

not if theyre absolutely terrible

sweet summit
#

not bad ones

undone sun
#

some defensives are usable

rancid ember
#

Is Sigil that much worst then Shell?

undone sun
#

pods is not

sweet summit
#

yeah

deep steppe
#

pods is garbo

rancid ember
#

Same for Bandages @ 475 vs 460 sigil?

deep steppe
#

like just throw that away

rancid ember
#

300k+ Absorb I believe

sweet summit
#

bandages is still very bad, but the best m+ "tank trinket"

#

i would just not use it

rancid ember
#

@olive gust Erga threw me out for that comment listen to him instead 😛

steep bone
#

Basically if you'll get to the point where you need tanking trinkets you'll get alchemy one or LPS

sweet summit
#

is alchstone even a "tank trinket" 🤔

steep bone
#

technically no

rancid ember
#

I didn't boost alchemy till too late and don't care to run Nya'lotha to finish it

sweet summit
#

yep

#

so that leaves LPS

steep bone
#

what keys you're doing at most?

rancid ember
#

he said 17-20

steep bone
#

oh

#

no bother lps lulw

olive gust
#

i feel like sometimes the bandages comes in handy, but if the scale is that much better, I run 17-19's just getting into 20s

sick sentinel
#

The kr bandages?

sweet summit
#

yeah

sick sentinel
#

I'd just run boring old Stat procs there

sweet summit
#

imean if you feel like you really really need it, sure? but scale would be a lot better

rancid ember
#

At least in my experience pugging 18-20 when the spells start almost two shotting you if you're not topped off. Having a solid defensive that isn't SW is nice imo.

sick sentinel
#

What scale

#

Humming?

sweet summit
#

wrathion

#

yeah

steep bone
#

dunno but im pretty much self sustain in 18-20s

strong forum
#

in 18-20s nothing really hurts

#

at all

steep bone
#

even if casts going through

rancid ember
#

Waifu you have like 80% leech bro not fair

steep bone
#

?

sick sentinel
#

Scale doesn't give a lot of stats it seems

steep bone
#

i've maybe 3% leech

#

scale procs like crazy and haste is giga

rancid ember
#

Really? Though you always preaching your leech in here I cold be mixing you up

steep bone
#

nah

#

its other guy

rancid ember
#

karton mbe?

olive gust
#

what should my stats be , i feel like mine are dawgshit

steep bone
#

nah

sick sentinel
#

3% leech is if you only have leech from the mastery trait or one item

steep bone
#

not karton

sick sentinel
#

I doubt it's that low

strong forum
#

6% leech chad here

steep bone
#

let me check

rancid ember
#

I have 2.8% feel unstoppable now in a 15 lul

sweet summit
#

leech clowning

strong forum
#

IM HEAALING

sick sentinel
#

Impassive Visage is more broken anyway

strong forum
#

bro im a tank, i heard they need selfhealing. Damage reduction isnt survival bro, only healing is

sick sentinel
#

Giga overtuned trait

strong forum
#

t. arcana or whatever his name is

#

best meme ever

sweet summit
#

bruh

sick sentinel
#

He's right though, that's why blood dks were so good

sweet summit
#

ehhhh

#

X

strong forum
#

"ignore pain doesnt increase survival, it only makes you harder to kill"

sick sentinel
#

Mitigation schmitigation

strong forum
#

best quote of 2020

#

easily

sick sentinel
#

I feel like ignore pain used to be much stronger though

#

In Legion? Can't remember

strong forum
#

well yes

#

in legion it was our main mitigation besides AM checks

#

its was 90% reduction, in bfa its 50%

sick sentinel
#

Ohh yeah the 90%

steep bone
strong forum
#

but block got reworked in BFA so now that is out main mitigation

sick sentinel
#

That was some good shit

steep bone
#

ive even less than 3%

strong forum
#

na IP being main mitigation was horseshit

rancid ember
#

Didn't play Legion, why did 90% make it OP if the Absorb was similar? Was Absorb bigger?

strong forum
#

absorb was way bigger

#

and basically uncapped

rancid ember
#

Ok that makes more sense

strong forum
#

but thats terrible cuz you couldnt reapply it fast enough in high dmg situations

#

so youd just flop

#

cuz you didnt mitigate enough

sick sentinel
#

it was more important not to take damage in the first place, while pulling 40 mobs

distant crystal
strong forum
#

legion kiting meta can die in a ditch

distant crystal
#

tenor needs to delete that scuffed ass catjam from their results

strong forum
#

thats not tanking

steep bone
strong forum
#

yeah bro kinda cringe

distant crystal
#

who needs vers when i can just parry everything

rancid ember
#

found the ravager user

sick sentinel
#

No it wasn't tanking, but nowadays the anti kite measures are annoying too

distant crystal
#

i don't even run from the charge boss in KR council

#

just believe

strong forum
#

its leech > vers > haste

#

dont you know bro

sick sentinel
#

He must do like 90k dps though

rancid ember
#

I have 475 Pods with Leech O.o

sick sentinel
#

With this weird setup

strong forum
#

im joking malaykah

distant crystal
#

it's not weird you fuckin jerk

sick sentinel
#

Sorrry

strong forum
#

hes using the gear you run in every situation but 25+

chilly brook
#

Kiting meta in m+ was ass

sick sentinel
#

Boy I'm glad I'm not healing that 24

strong forum
distant crystal
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just kick the damned waterblasts when my reflect is down and i'm practically invincible

steep bone
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stun aoe stun kick fear 😄

sick sentinel
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True those would chunk you 600k lul

distant crystal
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uhh

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discords are droppin like flies rn

strong forum
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itll reconnect real quick

sick sentinel
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Only NA

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Is the new beta build today btw?

sweet summit
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prob not tbh

deep steppe
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beta servers are going down as we speak

sick sentinel
distant crystal
deep steppe
strong forum
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2.5hrs late waat

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gj

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👏 yep

distant crystal
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lies this is breaking news

sweet summit
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What is it breaking

distant crystal
sick sentinel
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News

strong forum
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no news

sick sentinel
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It's all awful anyway

strong forum
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wdym

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its #1 better pvp vendors soon tm
#2 buyable sockets

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#3 covenants swap is quick*er

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not perfect but better

sick sentinel
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Idk why they made only a few items socketable

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How will I be able to get a massive power advantage over the casuals then?

strong forum
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called skill

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also sockets are 50% weaker than in BFA

novel ruin
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Sockets will actually be interesting to see how it develops due to the 25% breakpoint for stats

strong forum
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Won't really have an impact tbh

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You rarely have stats being that close together in power

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So you'll still just max the shit out your regular stat

novel ruin
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Fury stats tend to be pretty close

strong forum
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And the DR is very small past 25%

novel ruin
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BMs were pretty close this tier

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Of course you’ll follow the sim but it would be nice to see some specs have to use different colored gems

distant crystal
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wdym all expansion the common wisdom was "more stats > good stats, just wear highest ilvl"

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lol

novel ruin
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Yes

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And majority of people who will get full sockets will have max ilvl gear

strong forum
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10% less stats from 25 to 34

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That's extremely small

novel ruin
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On BM I wouldn’t be surprised if that changed their priority a bit

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Though without corruption it’ll stay crit most likely

strong forum
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And to get past 34% is extremely unlikely

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And impossible in the first tier anyway

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Borderline impossible atleast

novel ruin
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Main stat will prob be around 20-30%

stark sage
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ehh if you are purely stacking it and have sockets
but we were barely hitting 30 with array in uldir

novel ruin
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Mythic characters have over 20% in some stats. With sockets, you def could hit 30%

stark sage
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thats with array isnt it?

novel ruin
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Array?

stark sage
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reorigination array

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the handicap for uldir