now typing on old keyboard and am down 200$
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honest plinth
Tyranical TD Last boss is waiting for your 0 vers ass. Asuna(fire mage) even used nzoth trinket on that fight.
still pagoda
@honest plinth he's waiting for your "no cds on doubles" ass mostly
sweet summit
Playing keys on tyrannical 
still pagoda
^
brittle owl
do you also namedrop porn stars whenever you try something but fail in the bedroom
still pagoda
pushing on tyr weeks
playing keys 2 months before slands
Just chill raid logging and rest from WoW
brittle owl
this is like giving sage advice for football 3 days after a world cup final
honest plinth
Well i have a good team(friends) for keys maybe thats why im still playing
brittle owl
talk about beating a dead horse
honest plinth
its a game we are playing it and having some fun thats it
steep bone
im too elitist to have fun from casual gameplay ;_;
||not that serious mythic raiding and not doing such high keys puts me at avg pleb level tho||
sweet summit
Haha same
steep bone
Im too perfectionist to call myself good so dunno on what level am i actually
but by the content im doing i'd say above avearage considering that avg pleb is just hc/non ce mythic raider with some keys done (not counting pvp as content)
still pagoda
There're so many elitists in that "avg pleb" range tho
steep bone
if their elitism isn't toxic idc
brittle owl
calling a pleb toxic is like calling a barking chihuaha threatening
steep bone
there are toxic pleb
but worst kind is clueless people thinking they have huge knowledge and they give other tips that are wrong or completly out of their league i.e some crazy mdi pulls or other stuff that kinda requires people to be better than weekly 15 no leaver players
strong forum
Big wolf guy
onyx pike
Alright guys, in short, how f'd is prot in SL really? I've never touched beta or PTR by now because i'm on a wow break but i need to decide which tank to play sooo.. Friends told me monk is the god again and warrior/druid are on the last spots. Can you confirm? Might go with my DK then if it's true.
sweet summit
onyx pike
whoopsy wrong channel mb.
sweet summit
the sky is the limit
sweet summit
yeas
sick sentinel
How long is that?
sick sentinel
Oh wait that's a tenth
brittle owl
this fast
sick sentinel
Kk so basically cast simultaneously
sweet summit
pmuch
sick sentinel
Thanks
So I have to let my group have me go in solo some packs for waycrest?
Or do they always spit me first if I go in first
sick sentinel
OK well I consider myself a gamer
sweet summit
big mate
sick sentinel
how much am i inting by not having 2x it 1
Not much if you run versa
i got my ring, so i lose my it 1 until 8th
Quite a bit if you run TD
sick sentinel
i got a td1 i n my bags, but i was screwing around with avoidant and haste
shits going away in a month anyway,
but, yeah, if im only running it1 x 1 instead of 2 im super gimping self?
TD is other
sweet summit
if you can squeeze an extra TD in i think its fine
sick sentinel
Idk how good avoidant is
Those aoe boss abilities don't hurt that much
just memeing until i can do more TD or whatever sub 40 CR
sick sentinel
its your BEFORE expedient
btw
U know it's capped right
is it?
20%
oh
I mean if you want to fill below 40 or 60
i had 2 TFB and that was more than enough for me
But idk where it's useful, maybe workshop first boss or underrot second boss
instant decide never run 40+
Tfb is easily handle able with the versa build only
It won't hurt then
i mean, i general, WW, bombs, cleave
i think it works on those
Which bombs
like a circle thing, avoidant helps with that
sweet summit
eye of corruption? no
sick sentinel
I don't think cleave does, but bombs maybe
onyx gale
Question for any 12/12M boys: is CnS worth running on Nzoth for the psychophages during Psychus and after or is the damage from crucible more worth it overall? Thanks!
onyx gale
Ok my thought process was that rooting them constantly would help the Psychus group but I can accept the damage being too worth
sweet summit
i kinda forgot they existed, a decent CC rotation helps
or you just ignore them and cleave them down
novel ruin
Every spec has at least a tool to deal with em.
sweet summit
people not in the psychus kick rotation can help out with a kick if they feel generous
novel ruin
Just make sure they donβt be casting when people come up from Psychus
And warn about red swirlies coming up
brittle owl
you can stop their cast with shockwave/fear shout
sweet summit
and sb
brittle owl
sb is less useful but it can have clutch uses
tardy sequoia
Does conflict and strife rank 2 drops from all sources of pvp? I mean I know you have to get 1000 of rating, but all sources of rating or specific ones? Like arenas, bgs..
sick sentinel
Yeah rating in rbg, 3s,2s
And then just reaching the conquest cap through any method
modern brook
just to clarify you need at least 1000 in any one of those
you cant get like 200 rbg and 800 in 3s and be good
tardy sequoia
Yeah but not 1000 1000 1000 right?
civic rover
no
tardy sequoia
Ok thanks
And then just wait tomorrow? Iβve done both 500 conquest and 1000 rating, so tomorrow I should find both rank 1 and 2 in the weekly cache?
modern brook
i think it might just give you the rank 2 token and let you jump from 0 -2. I did mine like an idiot so idk exactly how that works
civic rover
i actually dont know
dark lark
The first week you attempt to get CnS, you just need to hit 1000 rating and you'll get rank 2. Even if you hit 1600 or whatever, you won't get the Burgeoning Battlefield Furor's required for r3.
You start getting the Furors for r3 the weeks after that.
sick sentinel
Yes you need 4 weeks to get rank 3, the last 3 weeks of which you have to be 1600 rating
tardy sequoia
4 weeks?? So itβs not worth it anymore
Basically prepatch happening in that time
sick sentinel
I'm pretty sure essences will remain in prepatch
But yeah you won't make it before prepatch from r0
sweet summit
they will stay in prepatch
sick sentinel
@sweet summit that makes it worth to go for conflict and strife right?
sweet summit
depends on how fast you can get it?
if you have rank 2 now, sure
if you dont, nah
but im a lazy cunt
sick sentinel
Well the guys gets rank 3 when prepatch hits
dark lark
if you have literally nothign better to do with your life than get get cns r3 starting now, then go for it
if anything, just pvp for the sake of pvping
dont do it for the cns3
dark mountain
How hard did the kyrian nerf hit prot warr?
dark mountain
Ah
rancid ember
@sweet summit Did sensei think of anymore mechanics that are ranged base and can be abused for SR or other purposes? π
sick sentinel
@dark lark i don't get why it's a waste, what do you mean?
dark lark
waste of time. you won't get it until prepatch, and then shadowlands launches like 3 weeks later
rancid ember
Bots on last boss junkyard? The one's during robot boxer phase to reduce damage or what you mean?
sweet summit
the ones after you kill the first guy
on the towers
you can walk through bots with sr up
modern brook
thats snore
sweet summit
i am lazy
modern brook
u can just jump
sweet summit
need jump to get down
modern brook
double intercept
sweet summit
theres noone to intercept when they all are down already
rancid ember
I usually lightfoot down, but dmg pot probably worth more in that phase
sweet summit
no 2nd pot sadge
obtuse yoke
not that it matters anymore... but finally got 475 haste vers outa box. it has half the vers of my 465 tho π
sweet summit
id take the ilvl here, if u have an extra vers amp or is OK dropping corruption
obtuse yoke
i've got like 8 vers amp corruptions in my bags
sweet summit
aye, ilvl
sick sentinel
@obtuse yoke maybe if there was no versa on the 475 that mattered
But probably still not much
slow steppe
how vital is it that I have the Wrathion sword with the fire breath corruption?
is that corruption like.. irreplaceable unless its a huge ilvl gap?
mellow patio
Itβs not a good corruption bruv
sweet summit
its just a TD1 but worse
slow steppe
i havea 445 version, but say, if i got the Heroic Carapace mace.... cna i replace the sword?
sweet summit
ilvl>that effect
mellow patio
Always always
sweet summit
increases damage and survivability
novel ruin
everything
sweet summit
easy : )
undone sun
more stats > better stats
limpid pawn
novel ruin
Ilvl on Weapon and Shield does everything a warrior tank wants
limpid pawn
raid leader after 1 pull of nzoth lmao
novel ruin
he wants the vulpera
rancid ember
Ilvl on weapons has the weirdest/fucked up scaling of all items.
Look at the Ilevel gap on the damage scale & even the DPS from a 460 to a 475, but then look at the stats on another item.
ILvl on Weapon > then Ilvl on anything else IMO
limpid pawn
so obvious bro
slow steppe
so when i have rage to dump, and i dont need shield block, say on something like SKitra.
do you just spam Ignore Pain?
sweet summit
or revenge
slow steppe
im not really sure how IP works and it doesnt feel like ti does much
sweet summit
or SB for SS damage
uneven mason
It places an absorb on you that reduces damage by 50% or the remaining absorb amount whatever is less.
undone sun
revenge is a good offensive rage dump, but not as reliable as free procs don't feed into AM
brittle owl
ip = smoothing
sb = mitigation
rancid ember
TD key bolstering week feelsbadman
sweet summit
rancid ember
What my fellow tanky boys like to play while we jam 4 SL?
sweet summit
among us 
rancid ember
Any Doto players? π
sweet summit
wtf is doto
rancid ember
Dota 2 lol
sweet summit
ew
rancid ember
good call. Dota 2 > Hots > League
I wish Diablo was good.
magic nebula
ok prot community got a question
magic nebula
ight so i've got some bracer upgrade by Ilvl and it's got a corruption on it
sweet summit
let me see
rancid ember
https://tenor.com/view/stressed-out-suspense-eating-popcorn-waiting-to-see-what-happens-gif-14120143
magic nebula
on sec gotta figure out how to screenshot wow
sweet summit
win+shift+s
novel ruin
im playing through Tyranny right now
magic nebula
also while i work on that (in LFR) i can get one of my tier 3 essences (got all tier 3 unlocked on my main warrior tank.) would I be right to assume to get Vision first
sweet summit
nah, farm VoP though m+/hc dungeons
buy CnS>Lucid
magic nebula
really? that just cause the importance and because they take longer to get
sweet summit
both
magic nebula
ah, I have been using tier 3 Aegis for the moment since my CnS is only 1
since when can you farm vision
sweet summit
since s4
novel ruin
8.3 launch
rancid ember
Tyranny looks pretty cool, never heard of it before
sweet summit
i would cleanse the wrists, and use the higher ilvl
TD>ilvl>haste>crit>vers generally
magic nebula
I assumed cleanse but I prefer to check
sweet summit
stiff inlet
Any recommendations for what you guys deem as essential raid tank WAβs?
sweet summit
i dont think WAs are essential
stiff inlet
K then let me reword that. Do you use any WA that makes your life easier?
sweet summit
https://wago.io/cotank5
https://wago.io/yhGqbqcMQ
- warrior "rotation" WA
+Corruption buff tracker (if you use any buff procs)
the last one is optional, i just like to have it idk
stiff inlet
Awesome, just what I was lookin for. Thank you
rancid ember
If you don't use it already interrupt tracker really nice too. especially if you pug
Sorry don't use that link - use this one https://wago.io/rkr8FIuDX
sick sentinel
Should I track ironbark btw?
sick sentinel
Yeah pain surpression too, could be nice to avoid overlap I guess
sweet summit
this one is epic
and i use ERT for raid/external cooldowns in raids
for m+ i use zentracker
sick sentinel
For tracking stuff like combust/infernal u mean right
silk edge
Just wondering: do you guys play other tanks as alts ? Or other roles ?
sick sentinel
I also healer at an equally high level, so I can see how other tanks play
Recently blood dk to prepare for shadowlands, and I have a fire mage
Playing fire mage helped me play more around combustion on my tank, I suppose
silk edge
I have always had other tank alts since wod and recently i just realized it could actually be fun to play another role
Like ranged dps
sick sentinel
I can recommend hunter if you want to tone it down a bit
You'll do fine playing it kind of brain afk
chilly brook
I play my Vengeance DH
sweet summit
ill have one dps warrior, one tank warrior and one dk/pally/monk tank probably
buoyant scroll
i go for monk tank dd warry and maybe dd dk
sweet summit
experience
sick sentinel
Like snaps, routes tricks etc
buoyant scroll
streams was my part
sweet summit
experience for me
sweet summit
found some brain in lfg
sick sentinel
I also hate relying on watching streams tbh
buoyant scroll
well for snaps kinda think+
sick sentinel
Yeah mdi a lot of those haha
buoyant scroll
routes was more like yeah we going into a dungeon
after pull who have route oh shit nah fam we are fine
sick sentinel
Routes can be done the best with experience y
Whenever I wing a route and I go over %, I get shit flamed though xd
sweet summit
go for the 120% route
buoyant scroll
why though?
sweet summit
it was a joke
sweet summit
nah u still wanna 2chest
sweet summit
yeh
buoyant scroll
yeah full clear and still too chest π
buoyant scroll
well what else u want it for π
sweet summit
ressing the mage
civic rover
erga was that a reference to nerftanks stream just now
green summit
Ok I need some help on a shield. I know that ilvl generally reigns supreme. I just got the 475 mechagon trinket in my weekly chest. Am currently using a 465 disc of indomitable will. Do I swap them out?
green summit
Please give me permission not to
distant crystal
no it's kinda hard but when you're good at it the timer is free
limpid pawn
like does it have to be rooted
i've bolstered a spotter before to test it out, and when i got close i got clapped for sure
distant crystal
root/mass root is nice to have for a few things in that dungeon on bolstering
yeah you don't let the spotter melee you lol
limpid pawn
is there a good video on this
civic rover
@green summit always ilvl on shield
regardless of stats, only compared stats when theyre same ilvl
steep bone
Everyones selling out mats
chilly brook
It's called helping guildies lol
buoyant scroll
yeah if i only would be good at proccing
designed a big pull 0 proc fight boss all the procs on the dungeon
how do i git gut at proccing
undone sun
pray to the 
gods
buoyant scroll
so ion?
limpid pawn
is there a way to pull up a log of playing a m+ with someone if the dungeon didn't complete
buoyant scroll
maybe live blogging
sacred roost
So was reading the wowhead article about prot in shadowlands, is it as doom and gloom as it seems?
seems like we ar getting a ton of nerfs?
limpid pawn
link to article?
buoyant scroll
current state of protwarry ^^
sacred roost
it's the one on SL changes
buoyant scroll
with ip with 12 sec cd
sacred roost
buoyant scroll
our wombo combo is dead all on sam layer aggromanagment doesnt work in SW anymore
rage build is nerfed
and i like to say it that way i dont see very much prot warrys on beta
sacred roost
looks like we lost some movement too
buoyant scroll
esspecially bc of lack of magic ressistence and every dungeon has some parts with much magic dmg
sacred roost
Well, I'm leveling a priest as well, and New World comes out early next year, so if SL flakes, I got that
buoyant scroll
but its still beta
sacred roost
release has been annoiunce, don't think there gonna make anymore big changes
buoyant scroll
we can panic 1 week before release bc of number tuning
but yeah its a very grim looking future for being the FotM class
limpid pawn
there's no difference in how we deal with magic damage in BFA vs shadowlands lol
demo shout, spell reflect, shield wall, ignore pain
same deal
buoyant scroll
@limpid pawn yes excatly with a 12 sec cd on ip shild wall not resseting on aggromanagment and spellreflect dont reflec bleeds we kinda have a problem here
ionic fern
@sacred roost we've gotten some changes since then. Namely to target caps & talents.
buoyant scroll
just my opinion btw
ionic fern
IP does not have a 12 second CD, wat.
limpid pawn
lol yeah
undone sun
SR never reflected bleeds
sacred roost
Are we gonna be decent dps or tanks?
in any spec? that's all I care about, what should I be gearing for noiw?
vivid mauve
So much misinformation/interpretation out there
brittle owl
π€
undone sun
but also, from the SL reflect list
brittle owl
if you gotta ask, it doesn't matter, as far as tanking is concerned
limpid pawn
SR never reflected bleeds, IP was ok for bleeds, but the real way to mitigate was shield wall, demo shout (90% sure this worked) , and last stand+pots/externals
ionic fern
π
brittle owl
sr never reflected stuff classed as bleeds
but blizz and spell data
and tooltips
undone sun
bleeding is definitely an anomoly so far
ionic fern
The god damn gnome fight with their bleeds that can't be removed via Stewart. Smh.
buoyant scroll
well then sorry kinda got confused with something ip seems like its jsut like the way it was srry
or didnt donΒ΄t know
sacred roost
IP isn't a shield anymore?
ionic fern
???
brittle owl
The god damn gnome fight with their bleeds that can't be removed via Stewart. Smh.
the gnome fight is bugged af
limpid pawn
he's talking about SL
ionic fern
Yes - and read the prot specific section.
sacred roost
that's a NE though, should die by default π
brittle owl
you think you did
ionic fern
brittle owl
but you didn't
undone sun
lmao
brittle owl
undone sun
fucking π blizzard
limpid pawn
lol
buoyant scroll
why is it so scatterd around
limpid pawn
IP was never that huge though
brittle owl
american π worst π
buoyant scroll
i dont get this website anymore
limpid pawn
unless we returning to legion level IP
now those were some fat fucking IP
I remember just stacking them up for the nighthold boss...
undone sun
because those notes show what is changing for that spell ID
limpid pawn
the one who did annihilation or w/e
brittle owl
i dont get this website anymore
you're learning now
undone sun
not the entirety of the spell
buoyant scroll
can somebody link the prot section pls
brittle owl
in a contrived manner yes
buoyant scroll
can we deleate wowhead and make a new one that better in sorting shit or catagorise or how ever u call it
sacred roost
putting a cd on an ability that didn't have a cd, ever, is stupid π
left hatch
i mean eventually they'll mash the spell back up together
like you don't see crusader strike being so convuluted
its literally just a breakdown of how the ranks are changing rn
which is good info to have given a big selling point is to make leveling exciting again
brittle owl
demon hunter meta says hi
undone sun
this is why blizzard doesn't like detailed tooltips
sacred roost
This expansion seems like it's gonna be... bad. right now, like worse then BFA bad.
ionic fern
Isn't Ignore pain r2 already like..lvl 27 or something?
left hatch
thats a hot take
ionic fern
π€·
left hatch
what about it seems bad?
brittle owl
idk man tryna find reasons for blizz tooltips is kinda like debating politics
ionic fern
I'm enjoying the beta so far. π
Maybe not the class that much but beta in general.
π
brittle owl
always ends up with someone sayin "they took err jebs"
sacred roost
right now? all the nerfs to abilites, stupid ability changes that don't make sense, and being locked into covenants.
left hatch
so what yo'ure saying is immigrants from teh future are responsible for blizz tooltips
buoyant scroll
i mean we all will have fun some way or annother its inevitable
sacred roost
ohhh, and some classes legendaries making there dps go through the roof, while other classes are getting litterally nothing
ionic fern
@sacred roost welcome to a new Expansion.
left hatch
so youd rather just play the same spec all over again for 4 straight years?
and yah balancing is still a think
like hunters tar trap mega op one just got hit real hard... yesterday?
undone sun
Isn't Ignore pain r2 already like..lvl 27 or something?
@ionic fern IP r1 is 17, r2 is 29
brittle owl
so what yo'ure saying is immigrants from teh future are responsible for blizz tooltips
@left hatch it's either immigrants or the goddamn communists
sacred roost
I'm probably just gonna play New World, the more stuff I hear about this expansion the worse it gets.
left hatch
the cov things sucks ill grant you but
brittle owl
the covenant thing is rarted
ionic fern
Well, people were complaining that leveling up doesn't feel like it gives anything.
left hatch
yo'ure really cherry picking info if "all you hear" makes you hate the new xpac
ionic fern
Gotta make up for it artificially.
brittle owl
and i have the sneaking suspicion they'll sprinkle QoL throughout the expac
buoyant scroll
so and what could blizz do that covernant dont suck?
undone sun
9.3.5 π
brittle owl
beyond rationality
ionic fern
They 100% will change swapping covenants easier.
They do it each expansion.
π€·
Somewhere mid way through.
buoyant scroll
#pulltheripcort
left hatch
but mah meaningful choice and immersion
left hatch
honestly even if they ship with covs being like that, im beyond caring
if i have to ill row with the BiS M+ one
and just be less optimal for raid
and its fine
not amazing but fine
theres enough good stuff to let it slide for me
brittle owl
its more of a principle thing tbh
ionic fern
Just pick w/e.
Won't matter for the majority of players anyways. π
Get that sweet transmog.
left hatch
^
exotic spoke
All about them tmogs
brittle owl
being strung like this is is kindof dumb
exotic spoke
Sup prot qtpies
sacred roost
what role are warriors gonna play now, if tanking isn't gonna be decent for us, are either of the dps specs viable?
undone sun
glad spec π
ionic fern
left hatch
do you raid world first? if not warrior is still just as viable as its always been
same with the dps specs lol
ionic fern
Tanking will be fine yeah - it's the community perception that's gonna get you.
exotic spoke
@ionic fern how does this compare to 8.0?
buoyant scroll
well it dont matter for the majority is so a think if u dont follow the 1 % u dont get into pugs :;D
left hatch
i mean.. you can still get into groups as a lock or priest
its harder
but you also don't need to be FOTM to pug
sacred roost
I got asked last week what spec I was for a mythic+ 15, as a 478 gears fury warrior, they didn't invite me when I said fury.
brittle owl
well yeah
sacred roost
community perception apparently matters.
brittle owl
people are dumb
undone sun
just dont pug 4head
brittle owl
more news at 8
ionic fern
Of course it matters - but it won't hinder you that much as a tank. Smh.
buoyant scroll
yes i play warry tank and still get declined for +20 even thou i have +24 timed same key
exotic spoke
I mean, how does the state of prot warrior (relative to other tanks) feel in 9.0 compare to what it was in 8.0?
left hatch
people are gonna be shitty about meta perception like that regardless of how 'good' that class is though you have ppl struggling to do 10's insisting they need... say 1 WW, and 2 Outluls because that was the mdi meta
if that matters then just pick the FOTM class
matters to you*
buoyant scroll
i just say this harder to get into groupes kinda kills all the playtime u have when u have to work or a famly
left hatch
its not going to be the black sheep
rn Gaurdian is the worst
by a decent margin
Prot is roughly middle of teh pack
brittle owl
guardian isn't bad π€
ionic fern
@buoyant scroll it's not gonna be that horrible. Been playing off-meta tanks for a while and have 0 issues getting into groups. π€·
left hatch
ik its not bad, its just comparitively the worst
undone sun
well
left hatch
and yeh i agree balance is really god
brittle owl
nit even π€
undone sun
arguably at best
exotic spoke
Play with friends and do better with them.
My m+ group started as Frost mage, spriest, prot warrior, rdruid, hdh. We slowly evolved as people quit to DK, rogue, hunter, rdruid prot war.
Just make a group and run with friends you like playing with
undone sun
wouldn't say it's hands down the worst
brittle owl
i am hardpressed to find major diff between tanks in slands for m+
upbeat shell
Hey what can you spell reflect on mythic nzoth?
buoyant scroll
eu or us @ionic fern i mean the time i played a decent eq pala i didnt see a dungeon waiting for inv ;:D
ionic fern
EU.
brittle owl
outside of obvious soon to be nerfed outliers
like prot paladin dps
weeb dnd for dk
buoyant scroll
on work days on day off i could get 2 or 3
undone sun
upbeat shell
ty
exotic spoke
I welcome our new prot paladin overlords
left hatch
personally i havn't noticed a huge swing, but the big boi tankers iv seen have been saying DK/Monk/Pal are the good uns, then War and VDH are middle of the pack with gaurdian trailing
left hatch
that might also be raiding tho
ionic fern
Paladin is fun as hell.
brittle owl
if you look hard enough
left hatch
once gaurdian gets 2 legos tho they're gonna be reallllll fucking strong
ionic fern
<-secretly re-rolling
buoyant scroll
yeah i know if u get into dungeons its fun
brittle owl
you'll find contradicting "info"
undone sun
morrison how many rocks do you eat a day, because i feel like you need to cut back
brittle owl
from people who insist on ranking
left hatch
at least 7
buoyant scroll
if not its just play afking
brittle owl
ah shit thyme is on fire
π₯
vdh and pwarr are the only "problematic" ones in high m+ due to am gaps
p paladin kinda sorta, but they have microgaps
left hatch
but yeh omega barksin lego + free barkskin once a min
undone sun
even paladin has been having defensive issues, with sotr up
left hatch
is gonna be realllly silly for survivability
undone sun
Β―_(γ)_/Β―
left hatch
you also arn't able to test 2 legos on at once in beta
brittle owl
people always complain about SotR being a weak AM, but at the same time they say spikes is a great AM
Β―\_(γ)_/Β―
buoyant scroll
i mean most people say vdh will be bis tank bc of the dmg he deals but in higher keys he wont do much dmg bc of the sacrafice he has to take on defense for dmg
ionic fern
Who on earth are all these "most people say X"?
left hatch
i've never heard vdh will be bis haha
undone sun
the man in the corner of my room
left hatch
and they arn't the damage powerhouses either
ionic fern
π
buoyant scroll
yeah language barrier
brittle owl
prot paladin is a 4th dps in keys
it's insane
100% will get nerfed
it's worse than bfa prot warr
left hatch
dk is also crazy rn with the FAE DND
ionic fern
It's fine @buoyant scroll - Prot Paladins are way ahead of every other tank DPS wise.
And fun wise.
undone sun
i have vague memories of paladin being pretty strong in bfa beta too, the sotr aoe wasn't tuned right
brittle owl
weeb dnd, or rather, the conduit that vives 20% dr during it, is busted yeah
left hatch
i think the most unfun part about pallies now is the huge potential of ret needing a weapon swap macro to use SOTR in big aoe
that seems really... ugh
ionic fern
No one cares about ret.
brittle owl
ret is in a rough spot generally atm
ionic fern
π
buoyant scroll
sounds like a huge nerf is incomming
ionic fern
S&S pleb.
buoyant scroll
whats s&s ?
ionic fern
Sword&Shield.
left hatch
im a soyboy LS user
brittle owl
the alpha the omega the beggining and the end
buoyant scroll
yeah i mean i wait till the very end
and then even there will be huge nerf when raid is opend
ionic fern
Just start playing every WoW Expansion at the last patch when they have made all the timegating&Swapping switches.
undone sun
true
left hatch
like short answer for your fears
Tank balance is very good
Community perception is gonna fuck you regardless of how 'bad' or 'good' a spec is
best bet is to find friends or just suck it up and play BiS fotm class if that bugs you
brittle owl
^
buoyant scroll
it doesnt bug me i mean i play with a groupe and i feel like trolling if i dont
left hatch
like you're gonna run into instances sometimes where you wont be taken because of your race lul
left hatch
hey iv seen ppl requiring nelfs or Dorfs cause they think its needed for skips/bleed cleanse
or ppl demanding a Belf in KR
pugging is wild
buoyant scroll
i mean either belf or massdispel or tramor
brittle owl
zandalari, tauren, orc, dworf or bust
left hatch
no love for vulpura ): the true master race
left hatch
you spelled fluffy wrong
brittle owl
you're gonna spell everything wrong real soon
buoyant scroll
what
brittle owl
left hatch
uwu
buoyant scroll
i mean if they know so much about gear why dont they play themself
brittle owl
what did you have on @ionic fern
left hatch
i meannnnn tbf id be a bit yikers about having a 350 tank in M+
left hatch
but if it was ilvl alone they wouldn't have accepted you
ionic fern
brittle owl
ionic fern
I haven't even done my weeklies.
brittle owl
idk wanted to chill and blast a weekly key and flex on some scrubs
ionic fern
On live.
brittle owl
surprisingly easy to do
ionic fern
But
You
Need
Vers
brittle owl
roses are dumb
violets are dumb
people stacking vers are dumb
left hatch
hey man. i need that 200000000% DR to help my healer
ionic fern
left hatch
otherwise how is he gonna afk and do nothing to speed the key up when i take no damage
i wanna be in here for the MAX duration
not like its timed
buoyant scroll
i mean i play what i want and dont call thing out like versa is dumb haste is dumb or what eva
brittle owl
asked them what the week was since i didnt play in months
they didnt understand
and then they asked me if i know the route for that week for ToS
ionic fern
Did you tho?
left hatch
ah yes because it changes so much
ionic fern
Not even 3.
brittle owl
with that abismal dps
ionic fern
...
brittle owl
couldve 3 chested
left hatch
but heyoooo no more teeming so... no more big inconsistency in % or packs tho
brittle owl
rogue died right at the start of the last boss
left hatch
which is huggeeee
brittle owl
and i misscounted
ionic fern
π
brittle owl
so we ended the last boss with 99.7% count
π
had to kill an extra thingie after
brittle owl
exactly
buoyant scroll
full clear fh and ad
left hatch
what are your thoughts on the replacement affixes?
brittle owl
kinda whack
ionic fern
I like pulling big and then just seeing my HPS go to like 200k with leech and healer just AFK'ing
left hatch
anti-volcanic and weaponized TFB
ionic fern
buoyant scroll
its fuck everyone
brittle owl
inspiring is weird
ionic fern
I hate nados.
brittle owl
i couldve sworn you can still kick
buoyant scroll
like storming
brittle owl
been hearing you cant
brittle owl
so gonna log a key with inspiring to double check
jagged pier
inspirings just as it was before
brittle owl
they spawn out of every single mob @ionic fern and sometimes they melee before they finish spawning
left hatch
what do you mean as it was before? its brand new o.0
brittle owl
and it 2 shots plate dps on a 10 fort
jagged pier
spiteful*
ionic fern
Oh, never had that issue. I'm already at the next pack by that time with the melees.
So no one is near him.
buoyant scroll
and for pridefull u canΒ΄t stack anymore
jagged pier
its from the emissaries in bod patch
brittle owl
@jagged pier in the 2 dungoens i did i could kick mobs no problem
jagged pier
prideful was better before the change
brittle owl
like, just as the tooltip says
cc immunity
not kick immunity
but people say theres kick immunity too
so imma double cheque
jagged pier
its the mobs around it i think
left hatch
does inspiring at least seem to tend to be on fully cc-able mobs? or do they give it the emmisary style huge DR to cc
brittle owl
not even
left hatch
so you have to deal with it the same way
jagged pier
but i havent tested inspiring as weve had it before
left hatch
cause that'll be the big defining factor on if its ok or super annyoing
is can you CC and pull away on some packs
brittle owl
you can deal with it same as emmissary
but if it goes live as it should
it's a non affix 80% of the time
left hatch
storming seems problematic depending on the dungeon
cause you can just move
but thats not always an option
brittle owl
i did a sang depths
left hatch
and by move i mean move the entire pack to elimate dodging entirely
jagged pier
storming would be fine if they spawned a little slower
buoyant scroll
oh got its litterally hell with spitfull stormijng
buoyant scroll
hahha
jagged pier
worst is when you bolster a pridefull mob
buoyant scroll
the dungeon startet with what could possible go worng
wait u can bolster pridefull?
left hatch
that seems unintended
jagged pier
i dunno
left hatch
at least i really fucking hope its unintended
jagged pier
but i bet you will
buoyant scroll
hahhaha
left hatch
i was excited for prideful till i saw that ):
buoyant scroll
sl m+ weeks looks like total choas π
left hatch
cause pulling it into the next pull seems huge... and if it can be bolstered or bolster
oof
jagged pier
pridefuls okay as it gives you a buff but it was better when you could stack
tbh you probably wont be pulling it into anything the aoe damage it does ramps up very quickly and scale on key lvl
left hatch
ah so some of the buff is gonna be wasted in transit
thats a shame
well "wasted" since it gives MS too
left hatch
it shows they're actually considering kiss/curse concepts for the seasonal going forward
which is promising
obelisks were so good because of that (: all the benefits smart play/use could provide
so itll be a big reward to like... perfectly get 100% before a boss or something
ionic fern
"If no one gets hit by this avoidable ability you get a buff" - every PuG'er ever: Well..never gonna get that
left hatch
aww did they change it to needing to dodge the blobs ppl shoot out to get the buff?
ionic fern
No. π
buoyant scroll
imagine a non toxic community
in a world of warcraft were help is appriceated and not seen as a apocalypse level insult π
steep bone
don't forget that lots of that 'help' is usually just non constructive criticism and shittalking all over the place
ionic fern
Try and help a prot warrior in m+ who diddn't use SB.
Get flamed by the prot warrior.
ebon hound
jagged pier
I once whispered a prot this expansion saying you shouldnt be running ravenger, and then i got told I obviously dont know how the spec works
steep bone
undone sun
steep bone
when i see warriors using indomitable with rumbling earth 
ebon hound
Bigger helth bigger pp
steep bone
im too used to storm bolt and also second stun
ionic fern
Never really felt like i needed a second stun.
deep folio
whats your guys thoughts on prot in SL should i switch to pala for tanking or stick it out hoping blizz make some changes?
ionic fern
If you enjoy it - play it.
steep bone
if you're not pushing for WF - play whatever is fun to you
ionic fern
We are a bit behind other tanks currently but the recent talent changes are a step in the right direction.
deep folio
played prot warrior since vanilla i think il just stick to it can it really be that bad its early days and tbh i hate palas lol
ionic fern
Then just keep playing prot. 
Chances are the biggest downside for most people is going to be community perception. Especially once the tank ranking videos are gonna come out.
steep bone
imagine getting trolled by weekly ep99
deep folio
can feel the effects of it already people are creating raid rosters etc for shadow and nobody really wants a prot warrior it seems
steep bone
because people just gonna stack dk/monk as tanks
deep folio
yeah sucks lol
brittle owl
when i see warriors using indomitable with rumbling earth
@steep bone big helf big td wdym
brittle owl
was it as garbage as it sounds
undone sun
brittle owl
on the flip side the pugs you went with probably thought you were a 400iq god gamer
"ah yes, this guy watches streamers, we good"
ionic fern
Probably. π
Tho now we can't do that now it's all "No Vers for a +15? You literally can't survive this dungeon, bye".
ionic fern
I should start watching streams so i know what's going on. π¦
steep bone
and get atleast 7k rio or your opinion is wrong
brittle owl
if you don't have fem/naowh/andybrew/etc.s route its depleted btw
strong forum
Tho now we can't do that now it's all "No Vers for a +15? You literally can't survive this dungeon, bye".
The fact that this isn't even a joke is triggering me so hard everytime I even waste a thought on that
steep bone
that's why im just linking route telling them that if they have something better lemme know, so whenver they whine that something is different im like 'well you didn't say anything about my mdt so we're doing it' xD
ionic fern
Imagine having enough time to actually push tho.
steep bone
imagine having all time in the world to push but you've noone to do that with
ionic fern
Gimme frens. π¦
steep bone
i can be your fren
strong forum
I'm at the point where I could technically play both sides
But why the fuck would I do that
ionic fern
Exactly. Alliance is the obvious choice. π€·
strong forum
Have 4 toons on 120 on both sides.
steep bone
horde 
but if i decided to unironically play allinace again i'd have to be dorf
dunno what i thought while playing space goats
strong forum
Horny
buoyant scroll
i mean no offense but if i can choose between five different flavors of human (tall small tiny thicc normal and furry ) and wierd locking green guys i go with the green guys
ionic fern
Space goats is big burst tho.
And if you're smart you die right at the end of the encounter in raids to proc that passive for max DPS parsing.
brittle owl
space goat is actually 400iq to min max ngl
ideally you use up all the CR on yourself and die in clutch moments
buoyant scroll
what about dying insta cr and die again at the end?
ionic fern
Goes well with SL.
buoyant scroll
lul
buoyant scroll
nono he gots a point @strong forum
steep bone
can you die in shadowlands if its realm for dead?
strong forum
Just knights
buoyant scroll
but if they server the jailer arenΒ΄t they again death knights
buoyant scroll
no they are technically just un
brittle owl
steep bone
so technically in SL you cannot wipe as you can't die because you're already dead
and dead cannot die again
buoyant scroll
wait so we no wf and progress raids are made bc the bosse also can´´t die bc they are technically already dead ? do we so insta clear the dungeon or not at all
steep bone
i already don't like that expansion
strong forum
Cringe
buoyant scroll
omfg XD its no more world of warcraft it is world of worldpeace
we did it boiiss the world if finally at peace
steep bone
buoyant scroll
waifu can u explain what do we see there?
buoyant scroll
.....so nothing new ?
buoyant scroll
do u know the moments u were dumb as a box of rocks for 2-3 weeks and forgott to update ur elvuii or other addons and for some reason one day u remember usually before raid or before push week and all ur settings are gone
steep bone
i don't update when im going to raid just because of
before raid or before push week and all ur settings are gone
buoyant scroll
yeah i do it bc i am retardet XD
steep bone
how can your settings be gone tho
if so just something is changed, doesn't take long to get old setup back
buoyant scroll
well on elvuii which i use for namplattes action bars and over ui thinks if u skip 3-4 updates a bug can occure which delte all ur profiles
and i play every class on a different ui
steep bone
then just import profile back π€
buoyant scroll
didnt save them π
steep bone
dunno, never had such problems as i store my profiles on wago
buoyant scroll
startet with it last time but forgott 2 out of 4 classes π
split portal
460 scale and warding, got 475 sporepods. should I replace one of the raid trinkets?
ebon hound
I'd probably replace Warding with it just for the ease of use, but it's pretty bad.
brittle owl
warding is trash
sporepods is 
at least sporepods does some damage, so itd be an upgrade over warding
split portal
great, thanks π
I guess I'm still aiming for vita. I also have a 475 gleaming eye, would that be better?
or block
split portal
I guess block is only good for necrotic weeks?