noob question, is anything in rixxa fluxflame blockable?
#protection
mellow patio
Her autos are magic afaik
waxen topaz
so just IP and reflect?
mellow patio
So quit blocking and IP spam brother
waxen topaz
ty
steep bone
Rixa as prot is 
grand drum
are there any bosses in SL so far where its pure magic/magic autos?
sick sentinel
block for extra shield slam dam
sick sentinel
I attempted 16 temple, but i totally screwed us, first boss, i put the bosses together early by swapping early/late, and they would follow on foot, snowballed and fell apart
2 things i'm looking to fix gameplay wise:
one of the things i do currently, and have done for most of BFA, is learned to spam heroic throw, as it had no CD, long range, extra threat, (example sand queen adds Tol Dagor.) But i never really considered the crap damage until recent months
The other is use intercept more often, so i can activate SB/IP I need to look at the macro, and make sure it can target all valid targets, sometimes seem to be unable to use it to open., or to escape tankbuster blue for example.
I did learn to start using ?potion?>avatar> charge>clap>sb>demoshout>etc as an opener on every trash pull, not when all mobs about to die
novel ruin
Heroic strike?
mellow patio
Me thinks he means heroic throw
sick sentinel
oh, yeah, MB
warm plinth
Yeah I noticed that on the one video you posted. You use heroic throw like...more than every other prot warrior in the game combined 😂
novel ruin
Only time you ever HT is when kiting or need to snap up a far add with threat with taunt on CD. First boss you can just clap/taunt the far ones.
languid mason
Hi guys sry
novel ruin
Hello @languid mason
buoyant scroll
@languid mason u had a question?
languid mason
Yea sorry jus at work
I returned to wow 2 months now had like an 8 year break
Everything’s different
Dived back into tanking
buoyant scroll
welp welcome back 😄
languid mason
Noticed the main meta for goooood tanks they stack versatility instead of strength/haste
There’s my warrior
Can anyone help me theorycraft my warrior so I can get a good sense of direction
Cuz I’ve jus been playing everything by air without any help
buoyant scroll
yeah naw not rly its for high mythic plus keys neccessary
novel ruin
Raid or m+?
buoyant scroll
which i doubt u get into it this soon
buoyant scroll
i mean like +25 or higher
buoyant scroll
languid mason
Cuz I’ve peaked at +5 is my highest key now
buoyant scroll
atleast a +15
novel ruin
Read my guide
buoyant scroll
but get more haste like up to 30% unbuffed
novel ruin
Equip your gear with stats you focus on. Ilvl>haste>crit
languid mason
Ahhh
buoyant scroll
learn your button u meant
novel ruin
Pre-patch is in 4ish weeks so gear won’t matter too much at that point
steep bone
@languid mason change those vers gems and enchants into haste
buoyant scroll
and i would suggest to do vision of perfection as major
and dump touch of the everlasting 😄
steep bone
get vision, it's fast
languid mason
How do I acquire more
steep bone
do mechagon dungeon, heroic/m0/m+
buoyant scroll
u hearth has these grayout windows
steep bone
and lucid is also great
languid mason
Ahhh
buoyant scroll
man its rly es to get it
languid mason
Ok
Can I get a list of wat to get so I can grind them out
Playing this warrior 2 weeks now
Been hectic
steep bone
Vop Major | Lucid, Conflict and Strife, Strenght of the warden minor
but to be honest read xanthos guide, it has everything covered
languid mason
Ok I’m downloading google docs
steep bone
you can read it in browser 😄
buoyant scroll
i currently play with minors agis of the deep strenght of the warden and vision major is conflict and strife i would suggest get agiis strenght and conflict as minor and settle for vision as major
steep bone
he doesn't need aegis on that level
buoyant scroll
yeah shit its right 😄 read the guid i am sleep deprived
steep bone
I doubt he will grind CnS tho so probably getting aegis would of been better as a replacement but dunno, need big brains here with answers, im too beta for that
languid mason
Lol
buoyant scroll
i am delta 😄
buoyant scroll
atleast in my current state
languid mason
Wats VOP essence
buoyant scroll
nah alpha 😄
buoyant scroll
vision of perfectiojn
buoyant scroll
right
languid mason
Ok
buoyant scroll
could just be me but that was the most fun to play with
buoyant scroll
and what u want to do for vop is get to mechagon 😄 like dungeons
languid mason
Replace all versatility with haste
buoyant scroll
yes
languid mason
Gems/enchants
steep bone
@buoyant scroll get rid of that addon showing you stat weighs of essences, it's bait
languid mason
And farm@essences
buoyant scroll
dont look at my enchants and gemsn
buoyant scroll
i want to but dont know how its called anymore
steep bone
look by 'stat weighs'
steep bone
what
steep bone
ye
steep bone
but honestly read Xanthos M+ guide
steep bone
too much info dude xD
buoyant scroll
i just realiest what makes sense on higher keys doesnt make sense on lower
steep bone
that apparently low keys are harder than higher ones? 
buoyant scroll
what
steep bone
what
languid mason
Getting a good group is
buoyant scroll
man i am lost XD yeah i think so if u pug atleast bc i noticed could only be in german groupes or european guys starting kicking thing at around +15
languid mason
Bruv itssss hard
As a tank wen they see u past 440ilvl they invite u to anything 7 and under
But the dps is usually shit cu they think tanks are unkillable
So dumb the narrative
Of tanks now a days
buoyant scroll
i mean u choose warry u can compete with some dps on dmg
languid mason
Yea
steep bone
nowdays people look at score, if you match low score tank with low ilvl it's usually going to be depleto or very unpleasant run.
And you are kinda unkillable at that level of key if you play right
languid mason
Yea
Facts
Gonna focus on this guide
And ur direction and see
Cuz I think the hopes of finding a group for a normal or heroic ny alotha is non existent
steep bone
you can make own
buoyant scroll
are u on european servers or american?
novel ruin
@languid mason Anymore questions after reading, feel free to ask.
languid mason
No not at all respect for everything
I’ll add u to friends as well if that’s ok
Won’t be annoying
Jus ask for tips
Im studio producer and graphic designer
I can do stuff for u my great teacher
My gift to u
Blessings
novel ruin
@languid mason realize a bunch of what you are reading will be outdated in 3-4 weeks when pre-patch comes out and everything changes.
languid mason
Yea
I jus need to get used to this again and up to speed
And I can figure out my way after
Obviously still asking for advice
But not mad questions tho
But thx
novel ruin
Why does Blood DK have half as many buttons as prot warrior???
buoyant scroll
bc blizzard
i mean go throw every tank none has as many as war except druid but i dont count thinks u can press and die from it mid pull
languid mason
Guys will prot warrior be improved in SL
I asked max from limit guild and he said they in a great space to be on top for tanking
buoyant scroll
improved in what way=
grand drum
It will be worse than currently is
novel ruin
it was already improved by the changes it received last week
the current build we use in BFA wont be the same in SL but it can be similar
we also have another potential more bursty build that we can do in SL as well
languid mason
Will allied races be unlocked in prepatch
novel ruin
the rep requirements will be gone
waxen topaz
not having anger management rage loop will feel so bad though
wise fulcrum
how important is leech on prot warrior for m+?
onyx vessel
Not enough to sacrifice ilvl for
sick sentinel
heyas what is the tank pathing addon and is that the best or what is?
static osprey
mythic dungeon tools
sick sentinel
ty @static osprey
languid mason
Damn should have bought infinite stars to keep for a new weapon
brazen edge
So...I know this will be beating a dead horse like a drum but I am new to the land of protec, it's looking to me like covenants would either make you a more efficient tank for either m+ or raiding but not both, my reasons for thinking are necro lords ability vs venthyr. Will it be harder to do both in SL?
steep bone
high pilot
!wa
sick sentinel
But is leech good enough to use it if it comes with less favorable stats?
Compared to a same ilvl item without leech
sweet summit
depends
static osprey
I think vers build would be better
sweet summit
generally more stats>better stats and leech is a stat
sick sentinel
Nah I only use td chain
static osprey
With a decent healer, you shouldn't need leech that much
sick sentinel
So no amps
sick sentinel
Nah only 23/24s
sweet summit
wdym chain
sick sentinel
I have Vers, just not amps
Except as a filler
It works fine because my dps is pretty high
But I don't go with versa healers because they can't keep me up generally
Like versa druid/pala
static osprey
TD is for holding aggro, vers is for staying alive and keeping aggro
sick sentinel
Not gonna lie skittish is tough without a rogue
static osprey
Nah I only use td chain
@sick sentinel
sick sentinel
And misdirection sucks for some reason
static osprey
Only reason to use td would be for aggro imo
sick sentinel
What's the diff between keeping and holding?
sweet summit
well sorry but your opinion is wrong?
sick sentinel
Nah I use it for damage chain
sweet summit
you use TD to do big dam
sick sentinel
I do 80/90k usually
But a part of the healer damage is sacrificed I heard some of my healers say
sweet summit
yep
static osprey
So how many tds do you run?
sweet summit
no IT?
sick sentinel
Nope no IT
sweet summit
sadge
sick sentinel
Should I run some?
sweet summit
generally we want two rank 1s
static osprey
And what's your corruption at?
civic rover
"only reason i would use td is for aggro" lol
sick sentinel
41 atm
R6 td r3 versatile
So I'll probably go 45 corruption with td6 and ineffible 2x?
sweet summit
yeah
sick sentinel
I hope I won't get oneshot then
civic rover
you can spell reflect TFB
sweet summit
unless youre very close to getting oneshot now, doubt it
sick sentinel
Who will it damage?
sick sentinel
Sounds good if there's nothing else to reflect
Can I reflect all spits at the same time in waycrest?
If I go solo into a pack
sick sentinel
Not if I speedpot into them right
Like into the kitchen, near the stairs down
It's easier to just LoS in the corner near the door
If your team goes in with you, chances are they'll just get oneshot
civic rover
is that michael santana himself?
sweet summit
no im erga
sick sentinel
The one and only
autumn pendant
sweet summit
raven knoll
guys is bfa dead or worth starting
sweet summit
its dead, but SL is near
raven knoll
copy that thanks sir
buoyant scroll
😄 iam amazed by now what i am reading here
and @sweet summit u sure u are not rosjen?
sweet summit
i am both?
strong forum
and Erga u sure u are not rosjen?
:kekw:
novel ruin
@sweet summit You are Rosga
sweet summit
i am pepega
novel ruin
Or Erjen
sweet summit
erjen 😂
novel ruin
XD
undone sun
I am rosjen
brittle owl
No, I am rosjen
sweet summit
dusky mica
is this the place for rosejn?
sweet summit
who is rosejn
undone sun
some nerd
craggy harness
hmm, anyone ever see wrathion spawn in the ground
and fail to cast the gale blast until after the transition?
goood times
mellow patio
Someone say they were looking for rosjen? I’m here
undone sun
Someone say they were looking for rosjen? I’m here
obsidian cairn
Are there any azerite peices from the vendor that are a must have it you aren’t doing mythic nya
modern brook
No
You have no time to save
The expansions over
Just roll a 480 and hope for the best
obsidian cairn
Yeah i never have saved just if i get one use it for prot and not fury or arms
sweet summit
Azerite still works in prepatch
steep bone
playing seriously
radiant path
Can anyone take a look at my log on a 19 KR and let me know what I can improve on? It was a pretty decent run, but I still didn't parse super great... So I must be missing something haha
sweet summit
bloodsport
8 lucid casts in 40 minutes, kinda wasted major essence 👀
i had 100 more TC casts than you, in a KR that was 30 sec faster
you only had 50% blocked hits
you wasted a lot, and i mean a lot of rage
sadge comp for kicks, but this hurts me
mate
u gotta abuse spell reflect
11 casts of reflect, cba checking how many casts you reflected but mate
spell reflect is op as fuck
ok thats all i have im sorry im tired its 5am i havent slept yet
radiant path
This is honestly exactly what I needed haha. especially because I only run MoLD major on KR. So I knew that was a weak spot of mine.
Thanks guys!
sweet summit
undone sun
radiant path
Where did you find the the first screenshot where it showed blocked hit?
I've been looking at this log for like 30 minutes trying to find it haha
undone sun
damage taken, hover over the # of hits for a blockable ability like melees
radiant path
Oh wow... haha thanks!
I can't believe I just spent all that time trying to find out where that was and it was a popup
Damn, so much overhealign with ignore pain
sweet summit
Ignore pain is an absorb, it cant overheal?
sweet summit
Oh lol
undone sun
canceling it, i'm not too sure
probably
but i can't imagine a practical use for a cancelaura IP
sweet summit
Well thats not very important anyway
undone sun
well, kind of
radiant path
Using ignore pain again when I still have it up
undone sun
under resources wasted rage is when you over cap
radiant path
Liek 200k up and for some reason I use it again
sweet summit
Overcapping IP>>>overcapping rage
undone sun
^
radiant path
K
undone sun
overcapping IP still feeds into AM, overcapping rage prevents more rage from being gained gimping AM
sweet summit
Think of IP as a rage dump for now
radiant path
Will do!
undone sun
it's perfectly acceptable to cap IP, the 1.3x cap is stupid anyways
radiant path
Whats a normal amount of block %?
sweet summit
I average ~75% blocked hits, i think thats decent
radiant path
Damn. I knew I had a lot of work to do on my tanking... But thats crazy haha. I use shield block on cd
And when I don't have any charges, I use Last stand(if needed)
undone sun
with bolster, last stand is incorporated into the block rotation
block>block>last stand >block
sweet summit
Ye you should have enough haste to get 3 sb casts before needing to use ls
radiant path
kk, I'm gonna pay closer attention to that next time I run a dungeon
sweet summit
Good good
radiant path
Thanks for the advice guys! I need it 🙂
sweet summit
I didnt check, but do u use sb while ls is up?
radiant path
ls?
undone sun
last stand
radiant path
Oh, no
I might accidentally
But not on purpose
Someitmes my "muscle memory" might get the better of me
But I instantly know its a mistake
Which... it happens more than it should as well
Or I'll accidntally hit shield block twice and kind of screw my self over 😂
sweet summit
Using both sb charges at once isnt that big of a deal as long as you know youre getting hit for the full 12 sec duration
radiant path
Wait, it stacks?
undone sun
yeah
undone sun
heroic leap resets taunt cd
radiant path
no shit?
undone sun
🙂
radiant path
I think I need to start reading tool tips 🙃
yeah, I'm going through a bunch of my old logs and looking at my block%, its usually around 55%-59%. 59% has been my highest through about 10 logs
sweet summit
Thats still on the low end 😬
radiant path
Yeah
sweet summit
How much haste do you have?
radiant path
I think its around 45%?
sweet summit
Before into the fray?!
radiant path
KR, I went full verse though becasue I suck at shadow of zul
even on fortified
i mean tyrannical
radiant path
I can't remember, let me log on real quick and check
sweet summit
Cos sb cd is reduced by haste and more haste=lower cd on ls through am etc etc. You know the drill
sweet summit
Thats fine
sweet summit
Thats on the edge 👀
radiant path
Would it help if I said it's 22.47? 😂
jk
Alright, well its time for bed. Thanks for all the help! I know what I need to focus on now!
mellow patio
sweet summit
sweet summit
damage taken, hover over the # of hits for a blockable ability like melees
cursive burrow
Well shit. Ok. Now I can work on what I need to work on.
crude pond
460 wrathion scale VS 465 rezan
what's better?
the other one is 
mellow patio
I think a scale is better at those ilvls. There is some math out there to prove it but yeah prob scale
crude pond
yeah it personally feels proc way more often
mellow patio
It averages out to be more haste
crude pond
yes I read it somewhere but I wasn't sure how 5 iLvl would affect it
rotund vine
Hey guys, first time writing on here. I am learning to love my prot worrior as I learn more about each boss fight. @sweet summit was talking about haste, I was under the impression as tank we stack vers then haste, what is the ideal % to be at for each?
mental scarab
All the haste you can get
mellow patio
For general use it’s haste > vers >= crit
crisp dragon
Any tips for N'zoth mythic?
lunar slate
Good afternoon al: quick question: Should i go for the Azerite Power: Clockwork Heart or Callous Reprisal for raiding?
honest plinth
as far as i know CR is 1 of the worstest traits for us
deft gull
@lunar slate Callous Reprisal will lose value on single target fights, especially when funneling your rage into defensives. Clockwork Heart is a good stat boost. I personally would take Clockwork heart over Callous Reprisal for all content, but this will ofc depend on your play style choices.
lunar slate
@deft gull Thanks allot mate! trying to get as much defensive as i can. Last phase for us as a guild during progession so want to pull all i can 😄
deft gull
It might not seem it, but that boost in haste is so good for pushing your GCDs, getting a little more rage to pop a refresh on ignore pain, and then there is the vers. The vers alone would make me more interested in clockwork heart. Only use your free revenge procs if you're really pushing survival, in that setting, clockwork heart becomes greater value defensively too. Now with a few stacks of versatile...
novel ruin
@lunar slate are you using TD?
@mellow patio @rotund vine It’s ilvl > haste > crit >= vers
lunar slate
@novel ruin - No focused on Versa
novel ruin
@lunar slate You only ever use vers in 24+ keys. In any other PVE content you run TD
And you follow the stat priority I said above.
It’s ilvl > haste > crit >= vers > mastery
lunar slate
ahh ok.. wanted to improve my survivability during raids (boss phases)
novel ruin
@lunar slate Make sure to cycle CDs, yours and call for externals if needed
lunar slate
Thanks @novel ruin . Going to give it another tanking go tonight during our raid 😄
brittle owl
survivability in raids is 100% your gameplay
especially true in nyalotha
since the tank damage is laughable
dark lark
Unless it's a basher tentacle
But even then it's gameplay
Nyalotha was tuned for raids in high 460s gear. At this point most of us are in high 470s with optimized secondaries, azerite, and corruptions
novel ruin
Yup, most people are doing fights 25-33% faster with all of that extra power.
chilly brook
@crisp dragon how far into the fight are you?
mental anchor
Run vers if you want to run vers
sweet summit
no 😡 its illegal to run vers if you dont do +24 or higher keys 😠
mental anchor
Run vers
chilly brook
Uhhh
civic rover
i mean, if all your gear has vers and it's all socketed and survivability is still an issue sure you can stack vers amps if you want but for raid it's widely considered pretty suboptimal
mental anchor
I run 75% vers and never need an external. I let the healers save them for the dumb ass dps who don’t know how to move
chilly brook
If you're not running over 20 keys youre wasting your time with vers
And if you're in raid? Hahaha
Boi
Just press your buttons 4head
civic rover
you lose out on a pretty decent chunk of damage with vers, and in a progress raid scenario everyone needs to be pumping
chilly brook
Especially nzoth for example
sweet summit
🍿
mental anchor
If your fire mages can’t kill stuff you need new fire mages
civic rover
i got cutting edge with no vers amps but ok
mental anchor
Congrats
chilly brook
Yea dude you're right the raid doesn't need my 20m on psychus when we need to kill before the 4th basher
mental anchor
You need better fire mages then
chilly brook
mental anchor
If they are relying on a tank to do a dps job your guild sucks
mental anchor
You’re the troll in your moms basement
chilly brook
civic rover
chilly brook
Where the mods when you need em
mental anchor
The nerds always cry for the mods
chilly brook
mental anchor
That’s all you know how to press huh
sharp night
how are you talking about people's guilds being bad when you say your healers need externals for dps who don't move?
chilly brook
sweet summit
its, its on a gaem. why u hef to be med
civic rover
rigid sinew
chilly brook
All vers tho
Imagine, I have 0 vers amps and have a higher io on a "worse" tank spec
civic rover
those parses would legit be purple if he ran TD 5
chilly brook
Granted my io isn't a ton higher but bruh
@sweet summit simple from user search to see if new saw post of a screenshot of character
sweet summit
but why 🤔
chilly brook
Cuz if hes gonna clown I'm gonna clown him
civic rover
my uncle is 5/12 and these are his parses with TD5, and he's not good at wow anymore lol
ilvl parses at 475 i think
distant crystal
delete this nephew
civic rover
oh shit
civic rover
sweet summit
can i get a log review?
civic rover
not from me because i dont know how to read logs
civic rover
oof size L A R G E
sweet summit
no, can someone review my logs?
chilly brook
I have a feeling he wishes I just kept with pressing the one button I know how to press
No wonder he needs vers
civic rover
how do these people get in mythic raid teams
chilly brook
Lol
sweet summit
same
civic rover
like i get that wowanalyzer is pretty anal about some stuff but like...
downtime is so high
chilly brook
@mental anchor where'd ya go brother
pliant geyser
is the trinket from mythic ep worth using for m+?
sweet summit
nope
strong forum
Nop
pliant geyser
i remember seeing a war tank using one on a +27 i think is why i ask
strong forum
Once
sweet summit
yeah i think naowh experimented with it for a while?
strong forum
It may have potential on grievous weeks if you don't trust your healer
But it's not really great
chilly brook
Nom did I go too hard?
strong forum
Yuh kinda
civic rover
are we talking about the urchin trinket
chilly brook
I'm toxic
pliant geyser
like is it completely garbage?
strong forum
sweet summit
no, but there are better trinkets out there
civic rover
nah it's not like a bad trinket or anything but lots of trinkets are better
pliant geyser
yeah bloodthirty urchin
chilly brook
No like LPS
sweet summit
nou
civic rover
urchin on brew slaps tho
pliant geyser
LPS + VITA?
strong forum
Lps + vita is solid ye
chilly brook
Urchin is like only good on monk with high vers
brittle owl
civic rover
idk almost everyone in the monk discord recommends using it almost all the time
sweet summit
its good on monk
novel ruin
Very good on monk
civic rover
i used torment in a jar with urchin when i didnt need psychic shell
brittle owl
it's roughly 30% better on monk than other tanks
chilly brook
LPS on monk is dumb
chilly brook
Straight up dumb
civic rover
how is it dumb lmao
chilly brook
600k+ absorb
novel ruin
A monk isn’t a warrior but a warrior can be a monk
civic rover
oh
brittle owl
CF can proc off LPS
pliant geyser
whats CF
brittle owl
main reason why urchin is good on mobk
civic rover
idk i like all the tank specs 
strong forum
Their mastery
pliant geyser
oh
strong forum
No?
chilly brook
It's a crit amp
brittle owl
their mastery is elusive brawler
chilly brook
Their mastery is elusive brawler
brittle owl
ay
strong forum
Whatever it is, it makes heals and shield go bigger
chilly brook
Apparently all absorbs proc CF
brittle owl
celestial fort is a diff type of bullshit
that makes shit autopilot trinkets
good
around 30% better
strong forum
brittle owl
it's like
yo dawg, heard you liked watching netflix while you tank
here's something you can binge witcher with and not alt tab
novel ruin
That’s warrior tanking though
chilly brook
I thought that was tanking in general
novel ruin
No, u
chilly brook
brittle owl
mental anchor
Eat what you clown
novel ruin
You def can’t watch Netflix as a BDK
novel ruin
Oh true
civic rover
LOL
pliant geyser
which tanks can?
mental anchor
You still going on about nonsense griff you nerd
brittle owl
🤡
chilly brook
I stopped being toxic like 15 minutes ago
civic rover
no he popped your logs in wow analyzer and now we know why you need vers
chilly brook
It always lurks just under the surface @brittle owl
novel ruin
@mental anchor I don’t pay your sub, play what you like. Doesn’t mean it’s less optimal and people asking questions here are expecting to get optimal answers. Vers in raid is not optimal. Vers in majority of keys is not optimal.
chilly brook
Its ok though come next xpac won't have vers to save subpar play
novel ruin
Yes he does
civic rover
he has 50% downtime according to wow analyzer
brittle owl
idk man maybe stick to heroic prog ?
chilly brook
mental anchor
Wow looking a guy what a fucking try hard
novel ruin
Bruh, if you are gonna play Vers though, plz go all the way and use Vers Nav enchant
brittle owl
know that you need to git gud
chilly brook
You do you just dont come in here spewing bs to people
mental anchor
Go suckle your moms teet you uwu
civic rover
novel ruin
Let’s not turn into 5 year olds...
chilly brook
These insults are so room temperature IQ
brittle owl
jokes on you
civic rover
LOL
civic rover
griff i almost fucking fell out of my chair
chilly brook
civic rover
chilly brook
I have my moments
mellow patio
Good morning prot chat
sweet summit
hwllo
mellow patio
What are you nerds up in arms about
sweet summit
🤔
novel ruin
Just the normal everyday people coming in here and saying Vers is best
sweet summit
warm plinth
I'll stack what I want sir
novel ruin
Go ahead
strong forum
Mastery it is
mellow patio
Wish you would stack stamina so you’d quit getting one shot @warm plinth
strong forum
How else am I gonna master the class
novel ruin
pliant geyser
so, 100%, urchin isnt worth rolling for?
novel ruin
No it isn’t not worth
mellow patio
If you wear the trinket
strong forum
Especially given that SL is in 2 months
pliant geyser
okay dps spec rolling then lol maybe ill get coral
mellow patio
You become an urchin
novel ruin
Only trinket a warrior needs from that raid is coral
novel ruin
Well, needed until corruption
distant crystal
all about the chains baby
strong forum
chilly brook
All these skyhold emotes won't satisfy my need for cross server emotes
pliant geyser
do warriors ever have issues keeping mit up 100% of the time
novel ruin
Part of me is gonna be so happy I’m not playing Prot War in SL
chilly brook
Yes @pliant geyser but no
civic rover
@novel ruin i get every tank geared every xpac
chilly brook
You get like ~80% uptime on block if everything goes right
But like you dont need it
novel ruin
@civic rover I won’t play monk or boring bear
chilly brook
Taunt swaps, downtime, personals etc.
dark lark
I have a problem keeping it up 🍆_waitwhat_
novel ruin
I’m raid tanking and required to play the best so either DK, Pally or VDH most likely
civic rover
bear is always the first tank i level LOL
steep bone
Most of fights no gonna last long enough to use 3x sb > LS > sb
Talking about trash fights
civic rover
i'll probably raid on brew
novel ruin
@steep bone pull bigger then
chilly brook
@novel ruin VDH is cool
mellow patio
Brew sux now
dark lark
Xanthous what rank is your guild just out of curiosity
civic rover
nah brew is looking really good actually because you can use the first purify charge just whenever it's up
and it still boosts celestial brew a decent amount
novel ruin
CB is OP
mellow patio
Not as OP as ISB
chilly brook
Prepatch can't come fast enough
civic rover
ISB is literally a passive now
steep bone
I’m raid tanking and required to play the best so either DK, Pally or VDH most likely
@novel ruin are You raiding for one of top guilds?
My guild came up with idea od needing to have maintained alt for SL of same role, but no info about alt runs. Imagine gearing up alts on your own without guild help
strong forum
Monk is only 4x tankier than other tanks currently on beta
mellow patio
Can’t
chilly brook
Only
strong forum
That's not that excessive r-right
mellow patio
Make me
chilly brook
civic rover
i like it, the aesthetic is cool and it's fun rolling around but i think warrior is more fun
novel ruin
@steep bone Not top. We are one of the Top 2 day guilds, even more so on Alliance.
chilly brook
I might actually like BrM now that it has CB
mellow patio
I think you might be the top 2 day guild
chilly brook
I really missed having Guard from WoD
mellow patio
Alliance anyway
chilly brook
Plus having a DPS CD is nice
steep bone
@novel ruin 2 days raiding guilds with good progress, thats the best
chilly brook
Prepatch now plz
civic rover
i like that exploding keg is a talent but rushing jade wind is just so much better
pliant geyser
i want prepatch
mellow patio
🙂
civic rover
it's coming on september 21 iirc
sweet summit
i want a delayed release 🙂
mellow patio
I don’t I want a release riddled with bugs and poor tuning
chilly brook
On one hand I'm for a sooner prepatch just so I can play around with the changes
pliant geyser
im trying to get CE on my main
chilly brook
And so they can actually fix things
But on the other I want nzoth dead
But I also hate nzoth
Soooo
chilly brook
Chill it's been 3 weeks
steep bone
I want 6 months prepatch so they can fix sl before its out
civic rover
only reason i have cutting edge is because im lucky
chilly brook
Haven't even hit 200 pulls
chilly brook
And we had a lot of absences
mellow patio
I wish I could be absent
civic rover
old friend from legion got like 12 people with CE together to make a guild and said "hey leif you wanna tank CE" got nzoth in 90ish pulls lol
novel ruin
@steep bone Based on my understanding once your main chooses a covenant your alts will be able to work on max level stuff while leveling from 50-60. As well there is only two weekly caps, torghast thing that takes 15-20min and something else that isn’t too bad. Maintaining alts depending on what m+ drops for gear won’t be nearly as hard as in BFA
pliant geyser
let me join your nzoth attempts if its alliance side 😄
chilly brook
If I'm being serious I don't think its gonna happen before prepatch @mellow patio just because of the way the absences have been etc.
pliant geyser
ill come on my havoc dh
mellow patio
It might still. Can still kill after prepatch tho
civic rover
CE is removed from prepatch no?
chilly brook
Iirc CE goes away with prepatch
pliant geyser
it does
chilly brook
It is what it is
I like the guild, they had to rebuild on cara and it's more in tune with what I want going into SL
civic rover
everyone in my guild is a stoner
chilly brook
Lol
mellow patio
I raid in a group of 20 degenerates
civic rover
it's pretty fun actually lol, the RL is pretty chill and only really gets serious if we make a big fuck up but we dont make big fuck ups
chilly brook
Finding a guild that's actually CE focused but doesnt micro manage you and where people actually perform but also allow you to play what you want as a tank is huge
civic rover
my raid leader says just play whatever the fuck you want, and most of us are trash fotm rerollers anyway
novel ruin
I just like playing with people that hold themselves to performing well
steep bone
@novel ruin
Still gearing alts without guild halp is YIKERS, especially early on when all pepegas are 100% more pepegas as it takes them sometimes 3/4 of expansion to learn what something do
chilly brook
Facts
novel ruin
@steep bone We don’t require alts. While besides me and GM, we are maintaining 2 tanks each.
steep bone
Talking about my guild
chilly brook
I still have yet to decide my main for SL
chilly brook
Hence why I want prepatch already
pliant geyser
anyone know any nzoth prog groups that need dps or a tank on alliance?
novel ruin
That would turn me off a lot
steep bone
depends on their goals for sl
civic rover
we dont require alts just because we all know how annoying it is to get alts up to speed this xpac
steep bone
but if we're keeping our roster without swapping half of it we're not even gonna get last bosses before next tier is out
civic rover
meanwhile i have 6 characters at 470 or higher ilvl
novel ruin
Why not?
chilly brook
Had a few reach out to me a while ago wanting me to faction xfer so I'm sure there are more that need slots filled @pliant geyser just check wow prog
steep bone
@civic rover if you could keep cloak as account wide thing and corruptions it'd be giga and ESSENCES without having to buy them
civic rover
yeah. four of my chars are max cloak with solid corruptions but my pala and dk are pretty meh
i'd play them more but i cba to learn how to play them properly LOL
mellow patio
Yeah the fact that I had to get a cloak on 6 characters makes me want to throw up
steep bone
you can't do bad if you're not pug quality player xD
mellow patio
But I did it cause how I cope with reclear is bringing scuffed alts until they aren’t scuffed
dark lark
That cloak questline was aids
novel ruin
@steep bone OP classes don’t make the difference between CE or not vast majority of tiers. Can’t really look at 8.3 much since corruption destroyed walls so much
steep bone
but like recently we got some bm hunter trial, he's doing not that much more dps than we as a tanks do
@novel ruin what is that answer related to
civic rover
yikes
novel ruin
Then kick him
civic rover
we trialed one tank and neither me or the cotank liked him at all
steep bone
yeye we already laughing at him
novel ruin
@steep bone
novel ruin
but if we're keeping our roster without swapping half of it we're not even gonna get last bosses before next tier is out
@steep bone
civic rover
trialed a few dps and 2 healers and kinda the same thing.
steep bone
But it's not about OP classes, it's about our raiders that are bad
they play OP specs but performance is whack
mellow patio
Hate bad raiders
civic rover
bruh just get twenty solid players that are all up to speed with corruption and cloak and essences and make sure they can all play at the exact same time, it's that easy!
steep bone
to be able to raid in normal pace
steep bone
like i cba getting final boss kill few days before CE is not available
civic rover
waifu i thought you killed nzoth already
novel ruin
Or get decent parses and trial with new guild
steep bone
oh i do
just talking in general
right now they're boosted by nerfed bosses and full corruptions
and better players that carry
mellow patio
It’s always something like that bud
civic rover
i feel that tbh
i'm helping a friends guild that's 7/12 and there's like 3 or 4 players that are just blatantly being carried
mellow patio
Most raid teams have a few guys that are absolutely boosted
steep bone
I mean we have fire mage saying sockets aren't that much of a difference
steep bone
ye
civic rover
on a STAT AMP CLASS
steep bone
sub 100k sim btw
civic rover
kick him
if you've been playing this entire patch and don't have full sockets but wanna get CE idk what to say
civic rover
you monster
steep bone
im missing one
novel ruin
And I have a Top 10 World Wraith Parse as Fury
civic rover
maybe that was a bit of an exaggeration, i also happen to be a no life
chilly brook
@civic rover we've trialed two tanks since I've been in this guild one of which was when I was trialing cuz they were replacing both tanks and I got annoyed by him because he was that guy who was trying to drive his car at 120mph without even having the basics down. The second guy had to dip out because family stuff so now we have a dps just filling until further notice
dark lark
Im a degenerate that has full sockets on both my prot and my arms set AMA
chilly brook
@dark lark how badly do you hate visions now?
civic rover
i have full sockets on multiple sets on two characters AMA
mellow patio
I don’t have full sockets
novel ruin
People would be so much better if they took more time trying to learn to play their class correctly
dark lark
@chilly brook let me put it this way, I'm playing classic as alliance right now and being in storm wind gives me ptsd
mellow patio
Mostly because I cba visions
chilly brook
Lol
steep bone
thats our trial hunter vs me being in full verse as i swap gear only when i remember on nzoth XD
mellow patio
People who have full sockets have likely spent 10x more time in visions than I have
And I am proud of that
novel ruin
Last week was the first time I did a vision in the past 2 months
mellow patio
I feel you brother
novel ruin
And only did that cuz I wanted a severe for my new 485 sword
civic rover
im trying to get full sockets on my bear so im still doing mad visions
mellow patio
I don’t even do the assaults anymore
steep bone
same
mellow patio
None of my Alts do visions either
civic rover
my bear is 476
novel ruin
On whatever characters you wanna level
steep bone
i mean sockets are always worth 
dark lark
At this point I'm just raid logging to hang out
civic rover
but im playing bear a lot more and not having all sockets bugs me
dark lark
I haven't done m+ or visions or assaults in 3 weeks
novel ruin
Just got his cloak
steep bone
@novel ruin hi bdk fren 
chilly brook
@novel ruin guy didn't know xanesh fully yet and because I was second orb group and started with her I just told him to let me keep her until the orb phase and he was like "no man I got this I can take the damage" I think he was thinking I didn't think he was tanky enough but I couldn't be bothered to argue
dark lark
Guild is playing classic, league, and valorant
novel ruin
@chilly brook isnt Xanesh 1 tanked normally now?
chilly brook
Probably
novel ruin
I don’t know raid tank mechanics
chilly brook
Wouldn't know
civic rover
i've one tanked it and it was fine
steep bone
it is solo tankable
novel ruin
Cuz i only dpsed this tier
chilly brook
Haven't been on xanesh in like 2 months
civic rover
xanesh and skitra are the solo tank fights
chilly brook
Cara and now nzoth
civic rover
not for me
steep bone
never tanked wrath solo on pwar tho
civic rover
someone in the monk discord was able to take like 6 or 7 searing breaths without dying it was kinda nuts
steep bone
monks
dark lark
Hmm, spell reflect 3rd, LPS 4th breath, shield wall 5th?
novel ruin
Yeah think our GM took 5 or 6 usually
mellow patio
I don’t taunt on that boss so our monk does like 4 sometimes 5
dark lark
Is that possible?
novel ruin
We kill Wrath in 2:30ish now
dark lark
Do you guys do the shard cheese
dark lark
Where you don't absorb the 3 falling scales and just eat 30 stacks
dark lark
I'm gonna suggest that on tuesday
chilly brook
That sounds horrible and amazing
novel ruin
But we also stand in the fire
If you don’t do the 3 falling scales it’s like a 4min kill
mellow patio
Tell ronders hawgz says hey
steep bone
healers gonna love it
novel ruin
If you don’t do the falling scales and you chase him around and stand in fire it’s a 2:30ish kill
dark lark
So how do you do it again, when shards are falling you use all raid CDs and then blow him up during execute?
steep bone
how much is each shard ticking for
dark lark
And nobody stands in any shard and he can be attacked immediately right
novel ruin
Yup
But we didn’t do shard in what I linked
We killed him before the first shard phase
novel ruin
With what we did is we follow him through the first smoke, stack on edge around his tail
steep bone
I gotta level monk
novel ruin
And survive the flames on the ground and when they explode
steep bone
how annoying it is to play brew on low levels
steep bone
but don't think that stagger works at all on that level xD
novel ruin
Idk I’ve never played brew
They haven’t interested me much since they don’t face tank
And I like juggernaut tanks
steep bone
tanks without shield is not tank
novel ruin
Playing Blood has been wild in the 0s I’ve done rofl
civic rover
brew leveling is really bad because they dont have their mastery
steep bone
i tanked some 15s on my bdk, omg so annoying to be ping pong
man i did 15 while being like 445 xD
steep bone
but with guildies so they did all the carry i was there to hold aggro
novel ruin
Yeah what’s aggro as BDK
steep bone
and tbh if you pool RP and have shield up while starting fight you're kind of tanky
steep bone
eternal rune blade and marrowend twice on first mob i get to thats what im doing there
novel ruin
No resources pooled, no bones
steep bone
i think you can actually pool resources on turnip before u start
just like u do with 5 roll on rogue
dark lark
I should get a turnip
novel ruin
How do I get?
steep bone
its easy