Don’t do it
#protection
mellow patio
novel ruin
It’s weird having to prepare multiple classes
sick sentinel
Yeah tanking in raids is considered a joke
steep bone
legit from all roles i learned it fastest
novel ruin
Rather than 1
limpid pawn
it seems like the mechanics are something I learn in 10 pulls, and we spend the next X pulls hoping the DPS figure it out
mellow patio
Raid tanking means never getting a night off and never getting to sit for reclears
distant crystal
raid tanking is like driving an 18-wheel cross country
you gotta do the same boring shit for like 100 hours but if you fuck up it's a disaster
sick sentinel
Yeah there are no backup tanks generally
steep bone
its literally check what does what and what needs your cooldowns/healer externals and outside of that its taunt at x stack or move boss there or here
novel ruin
But it means my toons get geared super quick for that m+ playing 🙂
mellow patio
Tanks are lowest in gear prio typically
novel ruin
Rather than raiding and gearing a dps spec and wanting to tank m+
novel ruin
Ye, at the start
distant crystal
personal loot baby
novel ruin
But ya know personal loot and that whole ilvl can’t trade Blizz put in place
sick sentinel
Tanks were highest prio at one point right
novel ruin
Only issue is Ima have to learn how to use push to talk as a tank
sweet summit
how do you play without ptt?
novel ruin
If tanks can’t live something, they get prior but that hasn’t been a thing in a few years I believe
sick sentinel
Yeah all those 0 fights
limpid pawn
maybe vexiona
steep bone
fetid devouer?
novel ruin
@steep bone does VA work if the channel requires push to talk?
limpid pawn
"personal responsibility" fights like nzoth suck
steep bone
Oh it doesnt
sweet summit
no
novel ruin
Fml
steep bone
but they can make specific rank that overrides that limitation
sick sentinel
Xanesh 
sweet summit
yep
steep bone
you should have prio speaker as tank imo
limpid pawn
xanesh one of the worst designed fights ever
novel ruin
Ye, I streamed for 45min
steep bone
xD
novel ruin
@civic rover watched me do a beginning of a KR guide
Then I realized I wouldn’t be able to solo it so I haven’t gone back
steep bone
why would you solo
limpid pawn
think there is a gold sink mount in shadowlands?
sweet summit
yeah
steep bone
there is?
novel ruin
And I haven’t found anyone who wants to putz around for 2 hours in each dungeon while I explain things
limpid pawn
someone said 10M gold mount in guild chat earlier
sweet summit
there will be a legion spider again
novel ruin
That’s over gold cap 😮
sweet summit
ive heard
steep bone
And I haven’t found anyone who wants to putz around for 2 hours in each dungeon while I explain things
@novel ruin get some acc on eu and we can do it
limpid pawn
lol 9.9999 mil
sweet summit
yeah @novel ruin EU acc when???
novel ruin
Yeah, doesn’t matter in 4ish weeks
novel ruin
How much is that?
sweet summit
too much 😬
steep bone
lol 9.9999 mil
@limpid pawn if you 5head it at start of xpac you'll make few gold caps easily that'll last until few patches
novel ruin
This tip money can go towards that
limpid pawn
wut
steep bone
boost
novel ruin
Selling stuff at start of expansion makes bank
steep bone
and selling stuff
steep bone
been making like 300-400k daily from boosting dungs back in uldir
sweet summit
can u even sell lego pieces
limpid pawn
oh, i'm boosting on the daily - I think I'm the richest guy on tichondrius raw gold wise 😮
sweet summit
wait what
novel ruin
Gonna be like corruption
sweet summit
the fuck
novel ruin
The legendary pieces are made by crafters
steep bone
git gud m+ quick, first month highest dung for gear will sell for so much and you'll have buyers and not much competition
novel ruin
They are BoE
sweet summit
thats dumb as FUCK
novel ruin
Nah
steep bone
boosting later is pointless like now for example u get like 19k for 15+
novel ruin
Makes crafters super important
sweet summit
nah, other way around
steep bone
watch people doing RMT for leggo mats
sweet summit
everyone will just be crafters
limpid pawn
the boosts are expensive early on yes, getting in early is huge for sure
sweet summit
so they'll be less important
novel ruin
I told my guildies that we may want to think about having peeps be gatherers and have 4 ppl be crafters and we send mats
Nah
steep bone
everyone will just be crafters
@sweet summit with army of botting multiboxing druid gatherers
limpid pawn
but like right now - the real secret is just pug boosts
sweet summit
COCK
limpid pawn
you can undercut ALL communities hard core - pug the carry and keep it all
steep bone
remember anchor weed price early on that was like 1-1,5k?
sweet summit
the real secret is just spam curve boosts
novel ruin
That’s what we gonna do
steep bone
you can't really carry with pugs early on, people are plebs and they don't know shit
limpid pawn
not early on
sweet summit
nah
limpid pawn
but like later on - (like now)
novel ruin
Get AOTC first week
novel ruin
Start selling 2nd week
sweet summit
was there a boss where curve first week was hard in BFA?
steep bone
jaina was rough
limpid pawn
even right now, I would not sell heroic nzoth via pug
novel ruin
Is it selling if it’s via pug?
limpid pawn
they made this boss much less pug friendly than previous 2 end of expac bosses
limpid pawn
exactly
steep bone
they carried ur boosties u got all gold
novel ruin
One of my old guildies has 80mil
limpid pawn
i'd bring in like 4-5 boosties per antorus raid
steep bone
80mil, thats like enough gold for few xpacs
limpid pawn
I made like 100 mil+ in bfa alone
novel ruin
He sells Heroic Nzoth 10-15 hours a week with his community
limpid pawn
it serves 0 purpose other than just buying rare stuff
steep bone
you can buy other games too
novel ruin
Yeah, he bought all the good corruption
limpid pawn
like for me, I'm gonna buy some TCG mounts i'm missing but still trying to low-ball the sellers cuz I know they aint selling shit to anyone lmao
novel ruin
He is blood DK
steep bone
buying tcg mounts for ingame gold is bait and scary shit
limpid pawn
and maybe tier 3 for other classes for fun
it's scary, but only deal with trusted sellers
i make an offer to the seller, then when they don't say yes, I give them the silent treatment for a few days
i KNOW there are not enough buyers out there for them to find a sale
novel ruin
@limpid pawn why don’t you take SL off and give me 6mil gold plz
limpid pawn
they always come running back, I buy it for cheap lmao
novel ruin
I just want to buy my dragon shield and whip
limpid pawn
yo do people sell glad now?
steep bone
they do
limpid pawn
like a guaranteed glad mount
novel ruin
In WoW?
limpid pawn
how much does that run
steep bone
lemme check communities
limpid pawn
like how expensive
novel ruin
It’s like 100k per 30min or something like that
novel ruin
PvP carries make bank
steep bone
its 90k per win on 2.4k+
limpid pawn
fuuuuuuu, so it's not guaranteed and paid by the half hour
limpid pawn
so every win after 2.4 is 90k and you need 50 of them right
i need it to be self play
steep bone
there pvp gods just play on ur acc
novel ruin
Yeah
steep bone
for self play you might be required to know ish how to play and play specific class
novel ruin
5mil for glad mount
limpid pawn
if it's a flat 5 mil, i think I'd buy it
novel ruin
90k x 50wins is just below that
steep bone
but thats jut per win
limpid pawn
will they get me to 2.4k first? lol
limpid pawn
i'm a NA pleb though
novel ruin
Gotta buy that carry to 2.4
novel ruin
Jeezus
limpid pawn
so if I get to 2k by myself ,then its like 5 mil to get to 2.4
then 180k per win x 50
novel ruin
Carrying high PvP way harder than carrying PvE
limpid pawn
that's 14 mil
steep bone
in pve you carry scripted content
limpid pawn
yeah i know
steep bone
in pvp you carry vs human beings
limpid pawn
let's be real though, aren't they gonna gushing wounds clown fiesta people down in 5 seconds amirite
steep bone
umm
novel ruin
Not at 2.4
limpid pawn
novel ruin
A friend of mine is 2.5-2.7 on like 4 characters and said that to make the 3k push he would have to play full vers rather than half gushing-half vers
civic rover
i just don't understand how ppl enjoy pvp tbh
steep bone
if you look at those players that are streaming they still play gushings
civic rover
i don't think it's interesting to be cc'd for like 9 straight seconds
steep bone
and they play around 2,2-2,4
limpid pawn
yeah same
steep bone
pvp is cool once you learn it
novel ruin
It’s the fact of dominating other people
civic rover
i got a guildie to help me hit like 1.6k or whatever for the essence and never touched it again
steep bone
but if youre not good at it then it sux
novel ruin
You are better than another human than just better than a computer
limpid pawn
"i'm cycloned, ok cycloned, again, ok now trapped, k now trapped again, and then bear stunned - srry u dead"
steep bone
you'd be DR'ed to immune to stuns then
limpid pawn
other team - "YISSSSSSSSS, WE GOT EM DID U SEE THAT "
novel ruin
You can go In as fury and just PVE in 2s to 2.1
civic rover
i did it on my monk
novel ruin
That’s what I plan on doing sometime
civic rover
as WW, so I just ran around kicking shit while the dude just healed me
steep bone
oneshoting people as undergeared destro lock with healer is real shit
pastel crown
I just pve’d as prot to 1.6k for CnS
With a DH partner
I basically ran safeguard, bodyguard and demo shout talent
And then a combo of spell reflect or disarm depending on the group
steep bone
full haste pwar with full td proccing like madman in pvp is scary
steep bone
rn you'd be deleted by people that farm
and have full gushings
or full versa people
strong forum
I kinda got into the sweetspot to get 2.1 between cns being nerfed and vendor coming
There was like a 2 week sweetspot time
sick sentinel
Is it possible to complete a dungeon and get the same dungeon again?
So junkyard 19 +2'd into junkyard 21
sick sentinel
Yeah but I mean the same key specifically
steep bone
your key?
sick sentinel
Twice in a row(not from weekly chest)
steep bone
well yes that's what i said
sick sentinel
Yes my key
steep bone
you can do it as many times as you want
but if you two chested 19 junk it'll be 21 key doesn't have to be junkyard again
steep bone
actually i don't remember that key got upgraded into same key]
sick sentinel
Yeah it's mostly important for me because of junkyard
steep bone
well everyone would like junkyard 😄
novel ruin
I don’t think it’s possible
sick sentinel
Should've happened 40 times then statistically
novel ruin
It’s def not
pastel crown
If it were possible people would’ve memed it by now so we would probably know for sure it does
The fact we aren’t sure means it probably doesn’t
sick sentinel
Lol now I need to know
distant crystal
it never gives you the same key if you complete
if that's what y'all are on about
sick sentinel
Hello I am on my 2nd month of wow tanking was successful at first but when mythics come around I get slammed I have an item level of 424 only doing mythic 0s I am struggling and getting annoyed idk if it’s my rotation but plz help
grand drum
You should get more ilvl. World quests and emmisaries will help with that
sick sentinel
@distant crystal that what it's about yes. I also got like to -80 score on a reddit post early this year when I said it's not possible to get duplicate keys
"competitivewow"
But moadmoad said it's not possible and he probably did thousands of keys so I'll buy it
dusk loom
Hello I am on my 2nd month of wow tanking was successful at first but when mythics come around I get slammed I have an item level of 424 only doing mythic 0s I am struggling and getting annoyed idk if it’s my rotation but plz help
@sick sentinel I would start by reading the icy veins and wowhead guides. Since you should be able to do Mythic 0s at that ilvl
Sounds like you aren't keeping block up if you are getting crushed at that level
upbeat robin
You can’t go to the bathroom you’re stacking sunder armor!
rancid ember
BiS 20K Resid Chest = Ashvane's right?
warm plinth
Mechagon chest is probably better? Think it's BoM/CwH
Assuming you have DC on another piece
sick sentinel
Workshop trinket
onyx vessel
shell + scale/vita or alch if you stackin vers
simple
torment if you wanna pump feels great
distant crystal
pump them fangs
onyx vessel
fangs+torment big pump
waxen topaz
Noob question: How does critical block work while you have shield block or bolster up?
undone sun
yes
waxen topaz
Since you already have a 100% chance to block, does the chance to critically block still apply?
grand drum
You block the attack, it has a chance to block twice the amount
undone sun
crit block is the damage reduction
Mastery % is the chance to block when you don't have SB or LS up.
Mastery % is the chance to crit block when you do have SB or LS up.
Crit block is double reduction a normal block would do up to 85% cap
waxen topaz
I see, thanks
fierce bobcat
There was a comment on one of nerftank vids about a massive mastery/haste build. In dungeons that are almost all physical dmg is huge mastery viable? Does it end up mitigating more physical dmg than vers through more blocks on top of higher atk power and ignore pains? Or is mastery always bad no matter how high you can stack it
undone sun
you'd already get a decent amount of mastery from the 3bom that's recommended
sick sentinel
guys
did anybody think of using 3 bloodsiphon+ 3 Bastion of might and deafening crash with all masterful 3?
pog
novel ruin
@fierce bobcat mastery is good. We don’t go it cuz we get enough of it with 3x BoM. And the reason you don’t see mastery corruption is that you would need wayyyyy more than what even masterful gives to reach any height close to vers. Also going to do a lot less damage
With BoM x3 while in avatar, we already have huge amounts of block plus crit block. Don’t need any more
Ignore pain also scales with vers.
wispy beacon
how much vers should i have for mythics 15-20?
steep bone
0
undone sun
well, not zero but don't be stacking verse amps
dark lark
Just shield block :)
steep bone
if you go for full haste crit gear it'll be close to 0, but since you want to equip highest ilvl still without some optimization im pretty sure you'll end up with some %
wispy beacon
uh... now my gear is haste and vers... and i got 1 TD 75
dark lark
You'll be fine
steep bone
yeah it's completly fine
wispy beacon
the rest od corrupts are vers 3, 2 and 1, why i shouldnt stack them?
steep bone
no, TD
sweet summit
its not needed, more TD would be "better"
steep bone
and 2x IT rank1
wispy beacon
okay... because my damage usually is 65-70dps
wispy beacon
with only one TD
dark lark
That's good
daring bay
Anyone know of a WA that tracks a firemages Font of power?
steep bone
by redan you mean raden vita or rezan trinket?
sweet summit
@daring bay @steep bone https://pastebin.com/Y1S25bb2
steep bone
@sweet summit why does this weak aura asks me for my bnet password 
muted heron
Yes sorry I mean vita
steep bone
Then vita with dragonscale, it's pog
daring bay
@sweet summit Thanks <3
near pewter
Hey, I just got a 21 Atal'Dazar key. Any recommendations for grp comp while trying to pug it?
steep bone
I'd take hunter, rogues at this level suck
toxic gyro
I wouldn’t take hunter bc they are boosted af
steep bone
so are rogues, but bm atleast gonna do some numbers even if pepega
sweet summit
just solo it, everyone else sucks 
toxic gyro
They don’t when they’re dead. And most of them don’t even know that flying pets jump to snap spots
Yea lol just solo it
Grab 4 prot warriors and a healer 😈
sweet summit
weaklings die
toxic gyro
Lol
steep bone
just instakick ez clap
toxic gyro
Insta kick still puts 1stack on the group
near pewter
Any actual advice for grp comp?
storm fulcrum
At least one long CC (trap, sap, blind, para, prison). At least 1 melee kick and 2x 24s kicks or 2x melee kicks. At least a Vanish or FD, and least a tricks or a misdirrect for snap pulls.
There you go, pick a rogue or a hunter, and fill with random people, just take at most one of (spriest, lock, balance)
The other advice is look at your route
and try to figure out cc/kicks requirements
and make your group so that you meet these
hollow ore
Hello guys, I'm trying to get keystone master 15 for the mount I'm ilvl 465 what corruptions should I go for if I wanna make it as easy as possible? I have around 60 corruption resistance right now on my cloak
Should I be going twilight Dev or haste?
hollow ore
I have one 30% and one 50% which one should I pair with?
storm fulcrum
30% one
hollow ore
Thank you
My one concern is I fear that in general my dps isn't very good I average maybe 27k if no twilight Dev procs
I see other protection warriors hitting around 45 without Dev
Is it just my ilvl making that difference?
storm fulcrum
yes
honest plinth
Nah
storm fulcrum
Or idk actually
honest plinth
Pulls
storm fulcrum
prolly that ye
our biggest dmg is clap, and the bigger the pulls the bigger the claps
but it's not advised to pull bigger than what you know you can handle
steep bone
both
honest plinth
The main problem in rly low keys are pulls. Tanks are on full hp all the time and pulling like 1-3 mobs
steep bone
pulls and gear and probably poor rotation
hollow ore
I'm currently doing mainly 10-13 but I often feel like it heavily depends on healer
Sometimes I can do really big pulls and sometimes the healer struggles on even small pulls
storm fulcrum
either you don't have 3x BoM traits, or you are wrongly using block
steep bone
in 10-13 you take no damage, you're probs playing wrong if you rely on healer on that key level
honest plinth
True
hollow ore
I was not aware that 3x bastion of might was recommended
Do you guys have a guide I can look at for rotation and azerite traits?
steep bone
honest plinth
You Just cant die in that key range if you are pressing bottons right
storm fulcrum
steep bone
You Just cant die in that key range if you are pressing bottons right
@honest plinth unless he's heavily undergeared but 460 is more than enough for that key level
hollow ore
The icy veins guide doesn't say anything about stacking bastion of might
storm fulcrum
Basically, Avatar > charge & block > clap > maintain block & press buttons, dump rage in IP and that's it you can die.
steep bone
storm fulcrum
What is Iron fortress 😮
hollow ore
Ohhh okay my bad
steep bone
Check it, not just briefly look at talents :p
@novel ruin need your m+ guide ;_; / nvm found
this guide has everything you need to know kinda
novel ruin
“Kinda” I feel attacked lol 👀
steep bone
Also, hyperlink to your r.io is broken, you realm transfered and it leads to ghost page instead https://raider.io/characters/us/stormrage/Xanthose
sweet summit
stalker much 👀
civic rover
lol
steep bone
Well i like to be informed xD
civic rover
here's an interesting question, is it normal for a tank to not be in a healers top 5 most healed? i was helping my friends guild on mythic hivemind, and I died a couple times while being <50% HP for periods of typically 5 or 10 seconds or more, and I wasn't top 5 most healed for any of the FIVE healers. i've never really paid attention to healers since the healers in my guild are gods but i was like "why tf am I not being healed"
steep bone
I think that if healer isn't hard focusing you and he has some leech he's gonna be most healed person by himself
novel ruin
Idk about for raid, I would imagine beacon on you would do massive amounts to bring you into top 5.
@steep bone thanks for the link, gotta fix
In dungeon content I tend to do 60-75% of my own self healing
civic rover
yeah, like survivability wasn't an issue for a vast majority of the time but I would be sitting on like 40-50% health for five or ten seconds straight and I was like "bruh"
my TD set doesn't have any leech on it 😐
civic rover
i only died like twice out of the 8 or 9 pulls so I didn't think much of it but it was pretty weird
novel ruin
What boss?
civic rover
hivemind
like, dps were eating mechanics and healers probably had tons of shit to do so i can't exactly blame them ig
novel ruin
We’re you standing in green?
civic rover
i stand in everything
novel ruin
Not using defensive for frontal?
steep bone
you dodge frontal
civic rover
in all seriousness i walked through it a couple times to move the boss but besides that no, and it was for very short periods of time. the frontal i just move out of
novel ruin
Idk if tanks could sidestep it
steep bone
you can
novel ruin
I haven’t raid tanked
steep bone
you should be able to dodge all stuffs that's avoidable there tbh
onyx vessel
If the boss follows you while casting said ability you cant avoid it vex or wrathion dragons btw
Getting hit by a baneling can easily get you killed
steep bone
he was talking about hivemind
vocal skiff
mellow patio
Yes
kind spindle
You only need to pull 1 pat which I did
strong forum
i guess
warm plinth
We only pull 1 patrol in our route. Maybe they forgot about lieutenant forces?
near pewter
i think u need both if you dont get all the ooze packs at the start
near pewter
bursting week maybe, i dunno
warm plinth
Yeah, you would need both in that instance, but you're removing a super easy pack and replacing it with arguably the hardest mob type in the dungeon
steep bone
still it's not deadly bursting
near pewter
well the robot isnt deadly... just preference i guess
warm plinth
Even removing the threat of the mob, it takes a lot longer to kill a solitary robot than a pack of low HP oozes
near pewter
not if your grp is dumb and dont los and die
steep bone
you spawn at second boss, assuming you're doing it before doing trash
near pewter
which happens alot in my pugs :((
steep bone
if you wipe to big robot you've big time loss, as you have to run from third boss to robot, wait for flying 'rp' and approach it again
warm plinth
Yeah, pull the two processing waste things at the start, then go obelisk and do boss, then do trash so if you do die, you rez right there
steep bone
pugs besides being careless can also listen, drop them marker and tell to go there before oozes explode, if they don't - atleast you've tried
kind spindle
@warm plinth yes they didn't take into count that in WS the oblisks are worth slightly more. Just annoying when dps going on about count or "my tank does a different route". 99% of the time I'm just following raider io route anyways unless someone backs into something.
I've had it happen in KR too with the pat. Then they complain we 2% over at the end...like well no shit.
warm plinth
Lol
honest plinth
there is just no reason to take 2nd robot pat in ws
orchid halo
Anyone help with a good shrine route this week. I either get yelled at for full clearing last bridge, not skipping side packs before 3rd boss, or not skipping rune carver and bridge ele. Lol
novel ruin
Pull more at the start, do elemental instead of windspeaker starting in low 20s. Probably do pack and an enforcer after 2nd boss. Do the 1 depthbringer pack (left one) on bridge. Depending on count with teeming may have to do a side of tentacles. Do everything in final boss room. @orchid halo
steep bone
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what about this one (ignore colorings)
sweet summit
RooHappy
novel ruin
I wouldn’t do that triple enforcer pack /big skeleton pack
Rather do tentacles
And the 5 pack in front of elemental
Holy shit teeming is horrible for this place
warm plinth
Just tank it 4Head
warm plinth
Whatchu tryin to say
onyx vessel
slender sonnet
what azerite pieces are people using these days for M+? best 2 i can buy from vendor
sweet summit
abyssal/nzoth head
tank buster/skitra/kraken shoulders
mecha/vex/ashvane warden chest
civic rover
vex has the heart of darkness trait
onyx vessel
clockwork heart gives 400ish to all secondarys for 12seconds 1 min cd
civic rover
they're both probably pretty good tbh
mellow patio
They are both good, but this is your daily reminder that ||vers is for nerds||
undone sun
everything that hawgz doesn't do is for nerds
mellow patio
That’s not true
mellow patio
Parsing is not for nerds
dusk loom
what other classes do people play here that dont feel terrible after warriors high pace
dusk loom
since you are using iron fur and popping survival instants as your CD?
while running an offensive rotation
mellow patio
Yeah you have iron fur, frenzied regen plays in well too
I don’t know , when I’m playing bear I feel closest to prot
mellow patio
It has its issues but that’s the way I feel
dusk loom
hmm maybe I will give those two a go since I was going to try and find another tank to alt
mellow patio
Bear felt odd in SL beta I didn’t love it
dusk loom
and a dps
yeah i heard that while people really seem to like VDH. Mostly wondering what people who play prot play that doesnt feel awful when you go from high apm to something else
mellow patio
Vdh currently feels pretty good in SL and it’s also a play style that feels like prot imo
dusk loom
sounds good will probably give that a go first since it starts at 98
any dps recommendations
dusk loom
all good not even sure I will end up dpsing at all
steep bone
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/226301753086181377/742764548699979827/FB_IMG_15970775225472.png actually archeus has some quality pins
undone sun
limpid pawn
but the 2 horses are the same lmao
steep bone
but the fake horse is doing 20 tops
tardy valley
Hi lads, thoughts on fury prot? About to hit 60 and not sure where to focus to tank. I played warrior in Vanilla 2005 and went plain jane tank and shield prot. Thoughts?
stark sage
tardy valley
ty
sand relic
can someone take a look at my azerite traits and tell me if i should make any changes. this is all i have right now https://gyazo.com/df4d39af79758462046dfbc5c7a84158
sand relic
any1?
lusty karma
I’d take Ashvane’s over Mechanized, Overwhelming Power over Unstable as well IMO
For meticulous
lusty karma
Depends, if you’re running TD and tanking lower stuff the haste will payoff better, if you’re running vers and 20+ keys then CwH is great, I tend to favor haste
sand relic
@lusty karma ok waht peice would i need are any of the azerite i have bis ?
i dont raid on this toon so all i can pretty much get is vednor stuff
sweet summit
chest and shoulders are close to, if not bis
you wanna aim for abyssal>sea brawler helmet
sand relic
@sweet summit which chest the bot mec or the other ?
sweet summit
both
sweet summit
yes
lone bane
any1 know how to size the hp bar in friendly nameplates in dungeons? using plater maybe - or completely disabling hp bar
sweet summit
i just have friendly nameplates turned off 🤷♀️
steep bone
You cannot change friendly nameplates in instances. Locked by blizzard
modern brook
Is it really?
I'm p sure mine are off in instances
That or I'm really fucking blind
steep bone
I mean, You cannot change them or modify in any way, You can still disable them tho
modern brook
Oh
sweet summit
press shieldblock and ask for one heal
novel ruin
I want to know how Growl shows player names with no health bars
distant crystal
that's just what happens when friendly nameplates are off? O_o
steep bone
I'll take a wild guess that he has modified name fonts
novel ruin
@distant crystal Yeah but it looks like the nameplates are on just minus the health bar. I like knowing where my peeps are. I don’t like seeing their Hp
brittle owl
there's an option for that in elvui and plater afaik
distant crystal
yeah just looks like he has nameplates off but like some elvui font for the friendly names
novel ruin
I’ll check it out. I use KUI but will prob switch to Plater or something in pre-patch
distant crystal
i'm not sure what actually happened there
i guess your screen flashes blue when gaze starts on you or smth lol
steep bone
Is this some alliance tint
distant crystal
but yeah that's just the default behavior when friendly names are on, except non-default font
novel ruin
But it’s not showing HP bars?
distant crystal
yeah cause friendly nameplates are off
shift-v is the default bind to toggle friendly plates
novel ruin
Friendly nameplates are on but in Elvui or Plater he changed the font of friendly names?
Are off*
distant crystal
presumably yeah
novel ruin
Kk
steep bone
https://wago.io/bIbBtE_lm check his elvui profile
distant crystal
i'm guessing elvui also gives you the option for not showing guild names
cause i can't seem to hide them in default ui
steep bone
It had some options im pretty sure
storm fulcrum
When I tank a key, no matter the dtps I take, dtps - hps is always 13-15k for me (it's true for UR when I take 40k dtps and it's true for Attal where I take 50k dtps), is this the way warrior is?
low blade
hey with how much % mob clear do I go down towards the last boss in sots?
sweet summit
dtps is kinda irrelevant as it changes all the time depending on comp/key/level
11.4% in last room this week
so u need 88.6%
low blade
thank you very much!
distant crystal
11.39% to be precise, just in case you end up needing 11.40% when you go down so you won't come back and murder Erga
novel ruin
Kill him
distant crystal
that's like the running joke now as we kill the last boss of any tightly-timed key
someone always yells "count"
sweet summit
ashen sigil
How does the critical block work? Does it add to the normal block chance, or does it work only on attacks that would be already blocked?
ebon hound
Every blocked attack has a chance to be critically blocked. Critical blocks double the block value, up to 85% reduced damage iirc
ashen sigil
Ok, thanks)
chilly brook
Roll for dodge/parry
Roll for block
If block is go
Roll for crit block
Laugh when you get hit for 15% of what it should have been
Profit
sick sentinel
How much block do I need to remove crushing blows?
sweet summit
crushing blows?
ionic fern
warm plinth
There's no such thing as a crushing blow in BFA
ionic fern
sweet summit
ionic fern
warm plinth
AFAIK crushing blows were removed at the same time as the defense stat, which was like...Cata?
sweet summit
so like a crit or?
chilly brook
150% of regular hit
warm plinth
Crushing blows were something that could happen if you were at least 3 levels lower than the mob you were fighting, and it did like 1.5x normal damage iirc
You could get 102.4% total "avoidance" (which in those days meant dodge+parry+block+defense, not avoidance as we know it now)
And it would push crushing blows off the table
making you "uncrushable"
cinder pasture
Ah, the good old days of chasing that 102.4% cap
warm plinth
It was a raid thing, since bosses are considered to be 3 levels above you
chilly brook
Although even in classic people aren't striving for DR
steep bone
got it poggies
[yes i forgot to swap gear sets]
warm plinth
Yeah and some tanks just couldn't achieve it
At least, not nearly as easily as a warrior could
chilly brook
I dont believe pally could but at the same token they also kinda want to be hit by a crit every so often
And before anyone memes on paladin tanks in vanilla for not having taunt greater blessing spam and highest TPS output would like a word
sick sentinel
Can I still legally meme bear tanks?
chilly brook
Sure but they're not as bad as people think either and can out threat a warrior iirc
They just take more damage
Skarm did a significant portion of classic raids on a bear
night heath
hiya
i want to ask what ilvl is recommended for tanking in mythic + 14?
as of right now im standing at 463
night heath
we just did kings rest 14, and i feel like paper on the second part
sick sentinel
You don't have to always soak the dot yourself
night heath
i try to kite after 1 stack
sick sentinel
After it jumps a hunter pet or DH can soak it, goes on the closest target
night heath
can you dodge those leaping strike?
warm plinth
You can dodge the bleed after the leap
sick sentinel
Yeah
warm plinth
They're separate abilities
sick sentinel
He jumps then usually bleeds, but not always
night heath
i was just new
warm plinth
You can get a WA that shows the bleed's CD
And the easiest way to dodge it as a DH is to stun them after the leap and blade dance as the stun is dropping
sick sentinel
But really save your bloodlust for trash in most cases this week
warm plinth
And as the tank, don't be near the berserker
Be like 10+ yards away or he'll still bleed you as the high threat target
night heath
so just get the agro and kite?
sick sentinel
DH or hunter pets should take care of that
warm plinth
You dont' really have to kite. Just make sure you're out of melee raneg
range
Basically when it leaps, just don't follow it
Let the DH/hunter pet go to it and take the bleed
sick sentinel
@sweet summit do you know why it's always recommended to not kill the healing totem?
night heath
stay out in range
let the dh or hunter (pet) take the agro
stay away on melee range
stun as a last resort after leap?
warm plinth
They don't take aggro
It's one of those spells that hits the nearest high threat target if its current high threat target isn't in range
sweet summit
kinda depends on comp imo
sick sentinel
Do they still place new totems? Because if they don't, you'll prevent frost shock from being cast
sweet summit
like when i play fury i can just rampage and BT the totem then its dead
sick sentinel
Since frost shock comes with a totem
sweet summit
but with say a DH its harder to him to kill it
warm plinth
Yeah in most cases it's a waste of damage to kill the totem because it's easye nough to just move out of it
Fuck Blizzard for what they did to havoc in that dungeon tbh XD
warm plinth
Totems in AD: Np Havoc, you can hit the totem with whatever you want
Totems in KR: Actually fuck you Havoc.
warm plinth
Can still dodge a lot of dangerous shit in there though, despite being useless on totems for the most part
sick sentinel
Now they can prevent severing axe if they stand inbetween the boss and the target
Or so I've heard
warm plinth
Barrel Through, Severing Axe, Axe Barrage, Berserker bleed
sick sentinel
Can they also block other's severing axe? Looks like a projectile
warm plinth
We've had times where it looked like I did (I main havoc) but I haven't found video with undeniable proof that I did. I still haven't gotten around to testing that specifically. I would say no to be safe though.
It's important to note that anyone can naturally dodge the projectile too, but obviously non-agility folks have less dodge chance than others
sick sentinel
Thanks
sick sentinel
Ah didn't know non agi could block too, must be really low base
warm plinth
IIIRC everyone has like a 5% chance to dodge
sweet summit
i have 3% :(
sick sentinel
It shows the severing axe target on raid frame for a sec, so if it goes on the mage, druid/Pala healer and it fails its basically proven right
warm plinth
Not really because they could have just dodged it themselves
3% chance is still a chance
sick sentinel
Not if it happens twice in a row
warm plinth
Improbable but still possible. You'd have to record/log simultaneously probably to prove it for certain
sick sentinel
Nvm it's not possible I just heard :s
night heath
critical strike and haste are still the prio stats for prot warrior?
sweet summit
TD>ilvl>haste>crit generally
night heath
TD is twilight dev right?
warm plinth
Yes
night heath
aight i was worried my versatility is lacking since it's standing at 4% lol
warm plinth
What level keys are you doing
sick sentinel
Why is versa off the charts
sweet summit
nah thats fine
theres no stat% thats so important you have to have them or else you die or something
warm plinth
Vers isn't relevant until a certain level of keys
night heath
What level keys are you doing
@warm plinth we just did +14 kings rest
warm plinth
Yeah vers is completely irrelevant for you then
Add 10 levels to your keys and you can worry about your vers % :p
night heath
we didn't get the time tho
sweet summit
:/
ionic fern
Vers wouldn't make you time it.
sick sentinel
Get better healerss
sweet summit
nah dont just blame healer xdd
night heath
since i have the grasp on what should
I do on the spectral berserker
sick sentinel
Btw you can cheatmode that and have a dk mind control the berserker
sick sentinel
And then let the DK free the berserker once Inside an obelisk
He will go back to where he spawns then
night heath
thanks again guys, i'll ask some stupid question sooner or later
sweet summit
nice
sick sentinel
Good luck!
steep bone
Do you think there's some weak aura to change russian nicknames into non cyrylic so they don't appear as ?????-??????
warm plinth
There are some addons for it iirc
Search for cyrillic and I'm sure you'll find something
steep bone
I did, found nothing
strong forum
depends on the font youre using
steep bone
I remember i had something that was displaying either generic russian names or translated cyrylic into latin 1:1
uneven fern
I am trying to do my solo 5 mask but I am struggling a bit.
Mostly in mage quarter on the last boss cause it just takes a while and I can't interrupt all of his missiles.
Shawn cause I waste so much time positioning him all the time.
The boss in trade which again I just can't interrupt it all.
But mostly on the last boss that has me running more than I can actually hit her and actually just gets my entire sanity bar drained before I can kill her.
Should I use a certain major essence or is there something stupid I am forgetting?
strong forum
go full ST dmg build
uneven fern
As in use devestator and CoF?
uneven fern
Cyclo blast?
uneven fern
Alright, I will give it a shot again soon. Thanks 🙂
mellow patio
Is cyclo blast still a thing?
sweet summit
yep
proud patrol
how much trash do i have to clear in motherlode before first boss this week?
sweet summit
depends on how much you wanna pull after 3rd boss
proud patrol
as little as possible
warm plinth
@uneven fern Frankly to me it sounds like you're trying to rush on most of it, and ignoring research on the other. On Umbric, the vast majority of the sanity loss comes from the Entropic Missiles. There's no real rush to get through the intermission phase because as long as the projectiles don't hit you, you're just taking normal drain. So take your time getting through there, let reflect and kick come off CD. Kick entropic missiles whenever possible and reflect polymorph and that'll help minimize the sanity damage (usually a good idea to orb going into that fight too if you're just starting to 5 mask).
On Shaw, again the sanity damage comes from either getting hit by the swirls (which you shouldn't) and facing the eyes (which you shouldn't). The positioning is a lot easier than most people make it because you can be standing basically perpendicular to the boss and still hit him and not get hit by the eyes.
On 1st boss of Trade, use your Gift of the Titans weakaura (which you should have) and when it's ready to proc, kill some shit near him and when it procs, charge in and pop CDs. Save kick for when Gift is gone if he's still alive
sweet summit
imma guess like 65%-70%
proud patrol
okay - thank you 🙂
warm plinth
Alleria is the same as Umbric. She does no sanity damage that isn't avoidable. Most people fail because they try to rush the fight.
steep bone
is this also scuffed for someone else? like camera is anchored to bottom of it's model ;_;
sweet summit
lmfao
novel ruin
@sweet summit Just had a disc priest do 1.9k dps in a 15
novel ruin
He had 60 smites
300 Mends
I finished lord and lady by myself
We wiped on last boss (no spider) cuz the healer nor the arcane mage nor the BM hunter decided to do any fire bombs onto adds.
sweet summit
novel ruin
The mage is a 4.3k io resto Druid main and then complained that it’s a healers job to do that...when she had been telling me the entire run that the priest wasn’t doing any damage a day disc. Told em idc who does em, just fucking do it
civic rover
was this like a carry or something
just asking because idk why else you of all people would be in a 15
steep bone
@novel ruin You have EU acc yet 
?
novel ruin
I do low keys a few times a week to see how things are. Gotta get that TD in. I was top dps with TD 3 at 99k hehe
@sweet summit Nah, was the Warrior. The priest and other warrior like sub 800 io so no wonder.
limpid pawn
7x versatile 3, 2x IT1 is under 40 corruption now 😮
novel ruin
Ye
limpid pawn
people going 8x versatile?
undone sun
Too late
sweet summit
@novel ruin mate if u wanna pump dps do some boosts
near 110k on an underrot i did this week
just being an absolute mong
novel ruin
@sweet summit Thiis was major boost. Arcane mage had 40k dps and I was pulling BIG. Entire Witch hallway with the Soulcharmer pack, the pat on stairs and corner 3 pack
sweet summit
😂
sweet summit
ouch
muted heron
Is there a guide on which packs is extra scary and I need to focus interrupt or spell reflect?
civic rover
it can depend on how good the group is tbh
but i don't know if there's a list or anything
steep bone
how can quality of group decide which pack is scary tho, mobs will do their stuff regardless :p
@muted heron https://wago.io/T_8vzVdmg not exactly what you're looking for but it shows you when mobs in packgonna do some thing that you'd like to have some defense/reflect for
muted heron
Thanks.
Because I was in a 20motherlode and there’s this 4-5krio on alt there. He just keeps criticizing about I didn’t use spell reflect on the proper mobs
The problem is he’s rude so I don’t even bother asking him. Figure if there’s a chart or smth that I can study on
limpid pawn
are there mobs that you need to reflect in motherlode?
there's third boss chemical burn
last boss normal attack
muted heron
I know that one
muted heron
Well I don’t know. Tbh I hate playing with people that’s 4-5k in Alts. They crazy annoying and rude
novel ruin
Earth Shock
limpid pawn
yeah charged claw
novel ruin
as well
steep bone
Thanks.
Because I was in a 20motherlode and there’s this 4-5krio on alt there. He just keeps criticizing about I didn’t use spell reflect on the proper mobs
@muted heron mighty "i know everything i'm 5k rio" players, yes they indeed know everything but they miss one thing, not everyone does know everything
novel ruin
im 4.6k and i learned that you can LoS Dark Fury today
civic rover
@steep bone just because some packs are pretty kick heavy but can be total memes if the kicks are done
like first boss room in KR comes to mind
steep bone
that still makes that pack dangerous
civic rover
hardest trash pack imo is one i never have to do 😎
steep bone
captains in WCM
civic rover
pack right before king mechagon in WS
steep bone
you don't do that pack tho
civic rover
exactly, hardest trash pack is one i never have to do 😎
tranquil edge
real orchid
is Prot as bad as some people are making it out to be in SL?
If so, what are you guys planning to play if u're maining prot war now
novel ruin
No
novel ruin
It is much better with these recent changes
onyx vessel
Also very true
novel ruin
Not as good as BFA but much better
real orchid
what are the recent changes?
onyx vessel
Moved around the talent tree mostly
real orchid
like i remember reading about nerf to AM only affecting 2 abilites now, and UF, Bolsetr, BV being the same row
etcs
were huge nerfs to the way we play now
novel ruin
Moved around talent tree, made clap and revenge do less damage after 5 targets instead of 1
onyx vessel
Bolster is now on bottem row
novel ruin
With the new talent swaps we have a mini BFA style build
onyx vessel
Bottem row has quite a few choices
real orchid
I was dreading SL initially when reading the previous posts
novel ruin
#698541559049748520 is where that chat is occurring
onyx vessel
15 – War Machine, Punish, Devastator25 – Unchanged30 – Best Served Cold, Booming Voice , Dragon Roar35 – Unchanged40 – Never Surrender, Indomitable, Impending Victory45 – Into the Fray, Unstoppable Force, Ravager50 – Anger Management, Heavy Repercussions, Bolster
The changes
Best part is devastator is the go too
I love never having to hit devastate
I can defo see prot pumpin on st
harsh sinew
Hi all, just switched to prot after playing fury for most of BFA.
Was wondering what people use for keeping tabs on a co-tanks debuff stacks on mechanics that require a tank swap at X stacks?
Just setting the co tank as the focus target? Or is there an addon that's more help?
strong forum
There's a weakaura pack
"Co-tank Auras Nyalotha" or smth
But generally focus target/raid frames with proper filters also does the trick
harsh sinew
Nice. :)
Will have a look at the addon and try both it and the focus to see what feels more natural.
Thanks. 😄
brittle owl
dbm/bw yells at you whenever a stack is applied to your cotank and how many stacks he has
don't really need a wa for that
pearl summit
Found those things to be kinda sketchy and not working the way (at least I wanted them to) for raid tanking. DBM/BW warnings that is
The Co-tank WA package usually has settings to do more stuff to bring your attention to it than what BW/DBM has to offer
primal rain
I wish Avatar had a defensive benefit.
Like how Dancing Rune Weapon give parry
brittle owl
that's why you use BoM fam
also the defensive benefit of DRW isn't the parry
its the exrra runes
pearl summit
Well, it is, but mostly it's the RP generation to afford death strikes
the parry is what saves you from most incoming damage before you get bone armor stacks if you go in dry
primal rain
Either way, extra damage doesnt feel protty
primal rain
I feel like it would fit arms better
same way how bladestorm doesnt feel army
and feels furyyy
brittle owl
yo
extra damage is fitting for sword and shield
best weapon by far
should be top dps
in all content
strong forum
I agree to 50%, charge blade is 👌
mental scarab
steel stirrup
what key level would you guys start stacking vers instead of TD?
sweet summit
in the 20-25 range where you see fit
civic rover
If you have to ask yourself if you need vers you don’t need vers
You’ll know when you need it
steel stirrup
yeah, I've been doing like 19s on this char now and I feel totally fine, but pugs have been telling me I should use vers
summer lotus
they are just mad that you outdps them
strong forum
Don't forget bad
silk edge
do you guys think it's "worth" going above 39 corruption for IT1x2 + TD6 ? i am sitting at 39 with IT1+TD6
?
sweet summit
if you're comfortable enough, sure go for it
sick sentinel
Any1 from Saurfang here
sick parcel
@silk edge go for it!! Just spell reflect that Thing!
near pewter
Hey, does anyone have a good WA for tracking the proc from lucid minor?
Also, what are you guys general thoughts on conflict vs lucid for a major?
sweet summit
cns is better overall, lucid is better when you cant get the double vers and taking heavy magic damage
and i use an essence package WA
that tracks major cd and minor procs etc
mellow patio
P i l l o w s u i t
ionic fern
@mellow patio you're on a crusade against vers huh?
distant crystal
man you missed the hours of ppl stroking eachother about people who built vers but weren't pushing keys high enough to warrant it
novel ruin
@mellow patio Vers is best stat for everyone In the SL
Makes our covenant abilities do BIG DAM
mellow patio
novel ruin
Don’t hate, celebrate it
warm plinth
Leech confirmed to be #1 stat in Shadowlands
novel ruin
You are a nerd though
warm plinth
warm plinth
And then Hawgz woke up
novel ruin
Nah, speed is #1. Gotta spin those mobs around
novel ruin
If you are making the mobs dance, they won’t hit you thus you don’t need leech
steep bone
understructible if you're in pepega guild that's wiping often
mellow patio
Cheap repairs
warm plinth
Understructible is the best tertiary
mellow patio
Respect
steep bone
If you are making the mobs dance, they won’t hit you thus you don’t need leech
@novel ruin But if you have vers+leech then you don't have them to dance, you can damage and you don't need healing 500IQ