thanks bud
#protection
ashen cape
novel ruin
Np, anymore questions feel free to ask
warm plinth
Well it's the major effect that makes it fun
Doing giga beach pull and just laughing at it
modern brook
grats on the realestate license xan
verbal wedge
novel ruin
Thanks @modern brook but still doing my 72 hours of videos. @verbal wedge Appreciate it
@sweet summit No cat jams for you
sweet summit
):
supple quarry
any have this wk?
elder plinth
purely for M+ 460 vita is better than 475 wrathion trinket right?
novel ruin
@elder plinth yes but run both
elder plinth
@novel ruin I use nzoth trinket as 2nd trinket, saved me SO many times its incredible 😄
novel ruin
I dont use LPS in 25/26 keys
fierce delta
Hey guys carapace mythic p2; can mind bomb be spell reflected ? Will it explode while I have spell reflect up and it targets me ?
novel ruin
@fierce delta it can but dont
elder plinth
Im bad and learning tank so I prefer to have some "holy crap i screwed up" button tbh
fierce delta
Thank you m8 gotta say sorry to my guild now.
elder plinth
i do like 15-18 xd
novel ruin
def dont run LPS in that
you shouldnt really take any damage is playing solid
and you should focus on playing solid
elder plinth
wouldnt this be better tbh instead of wrathion one? ^^
elder plinth
cuz of base vers
novel ruin
Vers is bad unless stacking in high keys
sweet summit
elder plinth
okay so vita and wrathion, thanks 😄
hard for me to record anything cuz my pc crashes when i record or stream :/
novel ruin
@elder plinth https://docs.google.com/document/d/1K1dqat0WwBJ7faXu71DWyCDRzx5Lf0o22LonVOcji_U/edit#heading=h.rnz5besh20e1
elder plinth
i mean, it stopped lagging completly lately cuz I had freezes while playing wow so maybe it fixed, cuz some time ago i could stream and it was good
oh, thank you gonna read that rn
novel ruin
@elder plinth I do free coaching, take a video of a run and send it to me and we can go over it
elder plinth
Sure thing, thank you very much will try, will check first if I can actually record without crashing pc first 😄
covert spear
Do prot warriors go crit after haste in lower keys because it is better damage over vers?
novel ruin
better damage and survivability
more crit makes us parry more
and haste and crit are much cheaper to get 1% in than vers
steep bone
https://wago.io/W2P_0qN6I @supple quarry is that what u wanted?
covert spear
Oh I didnt realize that crit led to more parries. That makes a ton of sense thank you so much
steep bone
@supple quarry https://wago.io/B1pfxTOtb or this?
sweet summit
imagine being this good at the game holy shit
alpine stag
Pure skill
orchid frigate
hmm decided to try out benikui and all the gem/enchant information is suddenly gone on the character pane
anyone that knows if thats a setting in elvui you can fiddle with or if its something benikui does?
orchid frigate
big tank in vanilla
sweet summit
im young idk
autumn pendant
:(
autumn pendant
vocal skiff
just timed my first 20 ever lol
there were some missteps on my part
but overall I am pretty happy
sick sentinel
Sad when healers aren't used to healing tanks anymore and I die because I run TD in a 21 :s
I feel like they expect everyone to stack versa hard all key levels above 20
mellow patio
Vers is for ||N E R D S||
undone sun
you missed a |
mellow patio
Is it double bars?
sweet summit
yeah
undone sun
yeah on both sides
sick sentinel
Yeah and dps /healer dying is what stops me from making bigger pulls
Not rly my own tanky
sweet summit
sick sentinel
It's probably different on keys you guys play idk
sweet summit
nope
sick sentinel
Does versa modify spell reflect damage?
undone sun
no
sick sentinel
So a spell damage does 60% more damage when I reflect it for example
Oh okay ty
@undone sun sent you a dm pls read
mellow patio
Vers doesn’t exist
novel ruin
Was doing FH 25 last night. Was going 2 chest speed. Until healer and all dps decided to die on 3rd boss...twice. The boomy and I had to finish it ourselves on 2nd pull
vocal skiff
What is the best approach to 2nd boss room in temple, in regards to where to place the obelisk and where to engage the rest of the mobs at the start
In general, I tend to leave it to the side and pick the 5 or 6 in the side (usually 2 riders)
but I always notice the pulls are kinda scuffed
Would it be better to pick a few right away and go to mid?
midnight snow
Idk I just drop on the bridge
dark lark
i (NORMALLY) just pull the patting rider on bridge into the room
vocal skiff
I don't want to do rider and with teeming the 2 stealthies
dark lark
oh right, teeming
in that case, i would drop portal based on where the pats are
you want a solid empty starting point for your team
steep bone
vita+wrathion feels so good to play ;_;
sick sentinel
@novel ruin how do they even die there? Probably to the BS throw instant retrieval-dash?
steep bone
@vocal skiff most of space you're gonna get by placing it on the way to next boss, if u put it on bridge you're closing yourself and you've patrol from bridge and another patrol, it's messy there.
sick sentinel
Does anyone know how I prevent the adds from jumping to ranged players
Last boss of waycrest
steep bone
there's LoS spot in water
sick sentinel
There was a trick im sure
steep bone
and i think there was also something else but i don't remember where
sick sentinel
Los so they can still hit the boss?
steep bone
aye
sweet summit
its not a LoS, its a no path available
steep bone
or that ye
sweet summit
also works on the candles from the +10 affix, near the spider spawn
sick sentinel
Do I have to tank the boss where spawns or in the middle, with water strat
sweet summit
tank it whereever
as long as the one in water can hit boss
and the rest is in melee range
sick sentinel
Ah okay thanks!
steep bone
I just tank it where obelisk spawns far inside room and then once it's dead back to the middle
sweet summit
if you dont have enough kicks for spider, just let the boss cast go through if u dont wanna play LoS
sick sentinel
With 2 ranged I suppose it's also needed to Los spider cast sometimes?
steep bone
depends on key level
sweet summit
boss cast does less damage than spider cast
sick sentinel
They overlapped a few times
sweet summit
only thing that can kill you there is jump+boss cast
sick sentinel
Yeah that was what made me worry the most
sweet summit
or jump+the big aoe cast from the boss. forgot the name
steep bone
if rangeds are in water and healer goes for fire i think you could pre-stun add to prevent it from jumping, dunno if im right tho
sweet summit
yeah
sick sentinel
Meh it's still a better fight than lord Lady waycrest
vocal skiff
@steep bone I know it's better to place obelisk in second boss room, but the where and what to pull at the start is what usually remains scuffed
sick sentinel
Rng oneshots
steep bone
exactly
sweet summit
no?
sweet summit
ive never seen an rng onesot there
steep bone
what can rng oneshot there
sweet summit
unless you literally soak every circle and get the debuff on you
vocal skiff
lady waycrest flinging
sick sentinel
Lady aoe, and the dot overlap disease
If I don't have holy Pala healer
Green circle stuff I mean
steep bone
@vocal skiff my first pull there is 2x rider + 2x closest incubator, then everything else but that depends if my mates have cooldowns if its half pug etc and if i have reliable healer to dispel me
vocal skiff
yeah, the problem that usually arises is that patrols keep coming
and what's generally a 4 pull becomes a 7 really fast
vocal skiff
the incumbators also patrol
steep bone
and like 4-5 guys walking around
ye i take them with riders
if they're getting close i just chain and then everything else
vocal skiff
what if healer doesn't have poison dispel lawl
steep bone
then you don't bring healer with no poison dispel do big pulls there
sick sentinel
All healers do right
sweet summit
no, not all
novel ruin
@vocal skiff This week I drop ob on bridge, pull the rider down with the teeming stealth guys and the 3 pack at bottom
vocal skiff
I understand, but that brings us to the original problem: patrols overwhelming the group
novel ruin
After that I pull the rest of the room
Only tank and poor positioning melee take damage from that pull
vocal skiff
I think I have lost count of how many dps died to the blast lol
novel ruin
On non teeming weeks I tend to pull everything and use 2nd lust
sick sentinel
Pull the whole room, if you have a fire mage
vocal skiff
every time, whether I am playing as tank or healing
sick sentinel
You won't regret it
novel ruin
If you aren’t comfortable with that, you can drop portal far back left corner
And do outside patrols
steep bone
if he has no poison dispel and he pulls whole room that's gonna be pretty much a wipe 😛
novel ruin
Then take middle 3 into the pack at bottom of bridge
sick sentinel
Druid and Paladin both have poison dispel I believe
novel ruin
Then do it in 2 pulls or CC some mobs
sick sentinel
So that's basically all healers
steep bone
and monk(?)
sweet summit
ya
vocal skiff
monk does
sick sentinel
Who knows
sweet summit
no
steep bone
dunno about shamans
sweet summit
priests do
steep bone
ive legit played with maybe two shamans in total
novel ruin
You don’t have to do huge pulls in a 18
sweet summit
wait really
vocal skiff
yeah
sick sentinel
But it's fun xanth
vocal skiff
priests can dispel magic and disease
sweet summit
steep bone
doing sob with priest healer ❤️
vocal skiff
they cannot
sweet summit
SoB with a lock is the dream tbh
novel ruin
Especially if you are pugging a healer
sick sentinel
How does siege without curse dispel even work
novel ruin
I barely trust my healer to dispel blazing chomp off of me
sick sentinel
That's one global too many
sweet summit
novel ruin
I don’t have Mage
sweet summit
steep bone
when i asked last time on maut to mage dispel me
he was like i dont have it on bars
sick sentinel
I've literally never had someone else remove that dot, I'm surprised af to hear
novel ruin
I might play Mage in SL
sweet summit
arcane or 👉 🚪
novel ruin
I prefer arcane and frost over fire
sweet summit
good
steep bone
if they wont change fire its residentsleeper
sick sentinel
All the bfa bandaids for fire are now talents or conduits
novel ruin
For prog I want to do something besides mdps to continue growing
sick sentinel
all dhs complain about having to do those mechanics even more, with meta immune or picking up adds
novel ruin
@sweet summit what are you playing next tier?
steep bone
warrior?
novel ruin
I’ll be playing Prot for M+
steep bone
protpala?
sweet summit
brown prot i hope 👀
novel ruin
But don’t think the guild I’m trialing with has room for a fury
sick sentinel
Reflect will find its way to be broken again for sure
steep bone
im probs gonna have red hp bar 😦
sweet summit
hopefully fury is the better dps spec
steep bone
feelsbad as this discord feels like second home
novel ruin
My hp is always at 0
sweet summit
i kinda dont like arms rn
novel ruin
Fury is always the better dps spec
sweet summit
TRUE
novel ruin
No matter what simulations say
On the real though
I love the mana back and forth of arcane
It’s pretty engaging
Too bad Blizz didn’t show them any love in BFA
steep bone
once you get hang of it its part of rotation tbh
burst evocate drop mana to like 50-60% it was keep it there, burst again evocate keep mana at 50-60%
i actually think that before burst u wanted to get like 70% or something
steep bone
don't remember tbh, i was forced to play arcane on zul, because i couldnt pad as frost BECAUSE OF SUB ROGUES BEING BROKEN 
distant crystal
1 frost was clutch there tho
novel ruin
Warlock doesn’t sound interesting. Not a fan of pet classes
Shadow priest looks cool
But it’s dots
sick sentinel
Does innervate work with arcane mages?
novel ruin
And I can’t be asked to tab target for dots
sick sentinel
Aww
novel ruin
Could you imagine innevating an arcane 😮
novel ruin
Gotta change those 90s to a 95 parse
steep bone
play druid and sell herbs/ores 
novel ruin
But then I would have to play a chicken
Another dot class that is less engaging than lock and priest
distant crystal
innervate can only cast on healers these days
steep bone
feral is only dps druid class
chicken cannot wear transmo... wait feral also
nvm forget what i said
lucid sail
the azerite chest from raden is bis for us right?
sweet summit
No
steep bone
its Vexiona chest, Skitra shoulders and abyssal malovelence head (m+)
limpid pawn
Vexiona chest
steep bone
did my message didnt send
lucid sail
ah, might be better thani have i have, deafening crash, bastion og might, blood siphon, hemhide
novel ruin
Cats are better than chickens
steep bone
catJAM
deep steppe
fierce bobcat
question about SOB last boss - i was watching a darkmech vid and they have everyone go on the demo but use no CD's and when it dies use CD's on the gripping to kill it in under 20 secs so 2 more demos don't spawn. He said once you touch the gripping the 20 sec timer starts
so we're not supposed to cleave or dot or do anything to the gripping at all so this timer doesn't start?
i play with a shadow priest, so using this strat i should tell him to not dot the gripping until the demo is dead and we all swap to the gripping? i thought before the demos spawned on their own timer independent of what you do to the gripping
warm plinth
Correct @fierce bobcat This only applies to the 2nd/3rd platforms though. The timer on the first area starts on pull
And you can spawn a total of 5 demolishing terrors per platform. So on 2nd platform you kill demo and CD/lust, and on 3rd platform you use longer CDs/other CDs (e.g. for me since I'm havoc, I DPS with lust and use iris on 2nd platform gripping and then use meta/2nd pot on last platform gripping
The idea is to kill the gripping before the third demo spawns so that you don't have to deal with extras
fierce bobcat
ahh ok so this is the ideal method of doing it? first platform just have to tough out, 2nd and 3rd timer DOES start when we touch the gripping
warm plinth
Yes
Because it saves you from having to potentially do all 5 demos on every platform
fierce bobcat
sweet, so many cool strats a noob like me returning late in expansion just now learning lol, thanks!
warm plinth
But it's important that if you don't have the DPS to kill the gripping before 3rd demo spawns, you swap DPS back to demo because if you fall behind on demos it's basically a wipe
Since they start to do hull cracker
fierce bobcat
ahh yea i'll have to test it out, my priest is pretty terribad, with only damaging one target at a time his dps will be nauseating.
sick sentinel
is teeming a decent push week?
warm plinth
It's not terrible but worse on some dungeons than others
@fierce bobcat Just keep in mind that everyone else being able to just blast for that 20 seconds without any distraction is more damage than his measly two DoTs ticking the entire time
limpid pawn
Vexiona chest
digital light
what key levels do you guys take lucid over visions?
civic rover
either in a situation where you're doing massive coordinated pulls, or higher KR/Workshop keys
sick sentinel
i timed (a really sloppy) 16 FH just now
novel ruin
@digital light Usually around the low 20 range is when I recommend people start learning it.
digital light
yeah just seems like fun so i might try it on a 20 this week
muted wedge
guys i need help my friend got 1 shotted by conduit trough safeguard in first boss in Tos
on a 20
warm plinth
Then he was hitting the shield or something
sick sentinel
@muted wedge did he wear versa items
Versa can cause randomish oneshots from conduits
warm plinth
I mean, on a 20 fortified he shouldn't be getting 1-shot through Safeguard
Even if he has 50% vers
sick sentinel
Probably they didn't kick jolt
Safeguard probably doesn't work for conduct anyway because it's self inflicted or some shit
Or it increases conduction damage by 30%
novel ruin
It works for conduction
main vault
I spent old gold cap on t3 shoulders, can’t blame him
mental scarab
Free transmog in SL 🙈
sweet summit
Its dumb tbh
gray mantle
2hr cooldown added to that item tho =\
limpid pawn
Free transmog?
mental scarab
A Toy gives you T3 for some time
cloud tangle
lingering sporepods worth using?
abstract turtle
I like that the icon looks like a pumpkin facepalming itself.
orchid frigate
got another fang in this weeks chest. dunno how many i've gotten so far 😦
marble cipher
@limpid pawn https://www.wowhead.com/news=317450/mirror-of-envious-dreams-wear-tier-3-for-free-in-shadowlands
orchid frigate
maybe good for arms tho 🙂
abstract turtle
I got a vial and butchers block so far and I don't play fury :(
orchid frigate
i like to rp that i puke on the mobs
and every time i do temple and my wife (DH) is in the group fang never drops for me
steep bone
it happened second time, not enough crystals on map in stormwind ;_;
storm fulcrum
I picked up my warrior tank again recently, I don't have any choice on corruption (7 versa III, 2 innef I, so 38 or 48 corruption), so I'm not forced to take SoTW. Do you guys think I should still use it though? I'm playing C&S, Lucid, Aegis, Vision for most and Lucid, Vision, Null, C&S for heavy magic (WS, ML past 2nd boss)... Tried to swap around Lucid minor (which has 15% uptime) for SoTW minor, but as I don't do that many keys (prolly 3/day on avg) I don't really have a chance to compare (I'm doing 24's ish and aiming 26ish)?
sweet summit
Lucid is the best one to replace, as aegis, vision and cns will all be more average vers
Id replace aegis tho, but i fucking love lucid
storm fulcrum
But you would use sotw over lucid? Sotw is 60% overheal but no brothers, lucid is 15-25% uptime and 7.5% rage with brothers so I have a hard time telling what's best and what's not, or maybe it's just so close it's unimportant?
sweet summit
Mate
Sotw is just for the CR
If u dont need the CR run something else
Brothers dont deal damage, youre in full vers
The slow is the dangerous part
sick sentinel
Workshop third boss, do those sprockets that fly around have only 1 spawn spot?
I've seen where they come from just wondering if there's more than that one
A bit to the right of the stairs near the slime obelisk
I wanna know so I know where not to tank the boss
steel stirrup
If I have Last Stand up and am specced into Bolster, is there any benefit to using Shield Block other than increasing Shield Slam damage?
undone sun
no
steel stirrup
ok, is there anything I can do defensively other than just spamming IP in that situation?
storm fulcrum
Demo, avatar, shield wall, lps
or healer external, those are your defensive options...
steel stirrup
alright, thought maybe there was some rotational ability I was missing that had some defensive benefit
you can't block attacks from the back even with shield block or last stand up, right?
storm fulcrum
Never get hit in the back, unless you wanna die fast. Can't parry, can't block.
Well if you play with C&S major, thunderclap outrange is also a defensive ability.
steel stirrup
yeah, been noticing that a lot when trying to kite, so much easier as brm with stagger always working^^
muted heron
for waycrest can we just bring all the first pillar to the sisters?
even if its bottom right or upper right
sweet summit
Sure
steep bone
If its bottom right i take whole room with bl, if its top right then i force it to witches
muted heron
bottom right where will you take the first pillar to?
strong forum
typically always courtyard or somewhere around raals room
cuz youd use middle / tankbuster to get to witches
sick sentinel
Walking all the way around to sisters, worth it with sanguine and or quaking imo @muted heron
Or courtyard at least
sick sentinel
i hate running waycrest these days
mellow patio
Free key
sick sentinel
probably because i got my 465 goreblock easy
nothing at all that can drop out of there for me :S
i need to run 15 AD for 465 (have 460) rezan eye, maybe a ring?
not much else to upgrade on my character i think
civic rover
just get a heroic scale and vita
only reason i'd ever use rezans is if it's 475 and i don't have scale at 475
sweet summit
460 scale is more average haste than a 475 rezan 👀
onyx vessel
sick sentinel
u talking wrathion with scale right
cuz i know there is the vita that does a mini blood lust for team that is also highly desirable
On waycrest, is it possible to have the lower left door open at start?
I don't think I've seen it but I'm not sure now lol
primal sable
sick sentinel
no top left top right bottom right and seems to be rng based on day
so, whatever it was when you went in today, it will be that all day
sweet summit
its rng based on rng :) its not one door each day
bottom left can not be open at the start
sick sentinel
well,
there was a night where i did it like 5 times that night, was the same doors each time
Thank God it's not the case, right side still costs an extra minute or two
For most groups
orchid frigate
I’ve comfy and just drag obelisk dude to sisters room every time 🙂
Sure it can cost a min extra but makes planning so easy
sick sentinel
It's a really long walk with top right, also up the stairs on sister's side after courtyard
orchid frigate
Yupp
tardy sequoia
hello everyone, i've got a character with my same name, i'd like to ask why I can't stand higher keys (+13/14/15 and so on) and do them in time without dying on large pulls or burst damage boss abilities. I thought item level was the most important thing when I read guides on icyveins and wowhead, but now my guildmates told me stats are more important than Item level. So my question is: do I have to switch/look after something? I'll post my raiderio and my character page. thank you!
btw i've got 473 item level, not 471
i'd like to add that large pulls oneshots me immediately.
sweet summit
you wanna work on getting better and higher ilvl azerite, new wrists, a ring with haste to replace the vers/mast ring, better trinkets and better corruptions. higher ilvl weapon and shield also would help
large pulls oneshotting is not a gear issue, thats 95% of the time a player issue
if you have logs, you can link them here and we can try to identify any issues
null is also not very great in m+, only in workshop imo. keep that in mind
tardy sequoia
formless void is better? i don't have a lots of traits available. conflict and strife is unthinkable to get
sweet summit
sphere for example
tardy sequoia
sorry i don't have any logs available..
is this useful in some way?
i read on icyveins that sword and shield are BiS, I should do mythic raiding at this point
sweet summit
yes, but ilvl is more important than that
the m+ "logs" dont work, they're all from leaderboard and not logged
tardy sequoia
This is a friend of mine that has got only 1 ilvl higher than mine but can push +20 keys
sweet summit
ilvl isnt everything :)
tardy sequoia
He claims that ilvl is not important
tardy sequoia
So what should i do?? I don’t know where to put effort
sweet summit
gameplay>gear
tardy sequoia
Farming nazjatar and mechagon dailies everyday?
Okay so you are saying that with my gear I can push +15?
And that only problem is human error?
brittle owl
pretty much
tardy sequoia
So I can finally work on that
brittle owl
you can do 20's with that gear
sweet summit
^
tardy sequoia
Even with rank 1 essences?
tardy sequoia
My guildmates told me I even should focusing on searching for higher vers items before doing mythics
sweet summit
😬
tardy sequoia
Like 40% but that is an insane amount of time
sweet summit
thats not needed
tardy sequoia
Human improvement is much more reachable
sweet summit
yes
sick sentinel
Ilvl vs stats was easier before Stat amps for tanks tbh
tardy sequoia
How do I start logs?
sick sentinel
/combatlogs
tardy sequoia
No add on required?
sweet summit
in wow under network
sick sentinel
Have an account and sync it with battle net etc
tardy sequoia
I’ve created an account and linked with my battle net one
Next time i login I’ll enable advanced combat logging on settings -> network
sick sentinel
Yeah then enable logging ingame and through a program you can live log or upload it afterwards
waxen topaz
Do I need to do everything prior if I want the alchemist stone trinket at 475?
chrome jacinth
hi guys, would you put versa on 485 lurker's with a socket, bc right now i have a 475 vers/mastery with versa 3 or would replace versa 2 with the versa 3 on thornwoven band 465
novel ruin
Use highest ilvl weapon
sick sentinel
hey why does versa's value increase the more versa you get
because of the nature of DR or something else?
sweet summit
vers corruptions
storm fulcrum
The defensive value of versatility increases, the offensive value decreases
If you have 0% versa, then adding 1% to you gear is 1% dps increase and 0.5% damage decrease
If you have 100% offensive versa, adding 1% to your gear is a 0.5% dps increase and a 1% damage decrease
And at 199% offensive versa, adding 1% to your gear is 0.33% dps gain and infinite defensive value
novel ruin
^
sharp night
mellow patio
|| Vers is for N E R D S ||
tame garden
||hawgz bad||
strong forum
||cute if read||
sweet summit
||no u||
mellow patio
@tame garden heck off
tame garden
warm plinth
||potato||
sullen valve
sweet summit
mellow patio
near pewter
Hey all, so I am currently wearing Auric Puddle Stompers (Crit vers) and when i equip Greaves of acid resistance (mastery vers), my overall mastery is lower - inculding my rating)...... any idea as to why this would be happening?
mellow patio
Mastery bad
steep bone
you get mastery from BoM trait
near pewter
nvm it was heart of darkness
ionic fern
distant crystal
my IP's will blot out the sun
warm plinth
I love when people ask questions and folks answer a different question than the one asked. It makes me chuckle
steep bone
It may be super confusing xD
strong forum
@near pewter are you sure its the same situation, nothing else going on
near pewter
yea it was Heart of darkness
strong forum
so you went below 25 corruption
near pewter
yea
steep bone
Actually, at some point where corruption resistance is so high what do you think vers stackers gonna wear, more surges to fill corruption budget or they just won't upgrade cloak further?
sweet summit
125 max cloak
135 max total
strong forum
^
mellow patio
I’d say delete all vers gear
strong forum
yes
mellow patio
If it has vers, straight in the scrapper
sweet summit
wdym vers owns for dps
sweet summit
sweet summit
i will probe you wrong with a stat weights sim 🤡
strong forum
hes lost
steep bone
'in future when i'll do 25+ ill have set'
strong forum
you can stop there
steep bone
ye
strong forum
ya he aint getting anywhere close to 25s
steep bone
then another guildie joined 'i think its good to have vers for 20+'
strong forum
does he realise that he has like 3 push weeks left tops
sweet summit
i did a +20 key without vers am i wrong
strong forum
i did 23 without vers fuck
steep bone
when it comes to vers my guildies are just yikers
steep bone
ppl that need vers for 16s
vocal skiff
but then we will lose TD man
strong forum
idgaf
steep bone
'because i dont have to use shield block' ;_;
steep bone
'i want to do 25s'
sweet summit
: )
steep bone
I just can't, you made me that no vers c00nt
even tho im running full vers all the time as i dont have second set of gear 😦
grand drum
Im doing 22 23 with like 3% vers
steep bone
or sometimes i squeeze td2 in
strong forum
yuh
steep bone
lulw
tbh
there should be some wall of text with all calculations and explainations
for what vers is good and bad and why they're so wrong
and just copypaste
as i don't have that power of 7k+ rio to be taken serious
grand drum
Theres a prot pally in my guild whos starting to stack versatile while doing 16s and only has like 4 vers items
steep bone
imagine stacking gear for content you will never do
grand drum
Perhaps, but using stat amps with only 4 items with that stat is pointless
steep bone
what is prot paladin
strong forum
seems like he doesnt know how math works @grand drum
steep bone
i got also told that his 50 something % vers also does good damage and no need to use 5-6rank of td because its rng and rng is bad and all 😦
sweet summit
steep bone
im pretty sure it'd end as 'you just had good rng'
strong forum
and then show that TD alone will do more dmg than he does total
15min of good rng 🙂
steep bone
but tbh td synergy with lower keys is so godlike, you just pull whole dungeon, legit one proc and 300k+
i mean 'whole dungeon'
steep bone
it's quite huge jump from doing at most 18-20s and then 25s
and some 15-16s in between
strong forum
im sure he knows all the routes and tactics already
since he already has the gear
🙃
steep bone
nah
strong forum
cuz its no effort at all to make that jump if you already have the gear 🙃
muted heron
I did a td18 earlier and when I died, the healer msg me and said it’s because I’m using twilight devastation and that doesn’t work in “high keys”
steep bone
HIGH KEYS
strong forum
shouldve said "my bad i thought this was an 18"
steep bone
maybe this was 28
strong forum
"mustve confused 28 with 18"
steep bone
and you just didnt see 2?
muted heron
When will I know it’s healers problem or groups problem or I just need more versatility
steep bone
what you died to btw?
strong forum
once you die without doing mistakes
steep bone
lemme take a wild guess 20 salt blasts in a row
steep bone
kekW
muted heron
The pack before 2nd boss in td. Forgot the name. They didn’t interrupt I guess
grand drum
No kicks used i bet kekw
steep bone
salt blasts
novel ruin
Lockdown
muted heron
So group just had
novel ruin
That guys does big tank damage
muted heron
Bad*
steep bone
but you shouldn't die to salt blasts on 18
strong forum
or lockdown ya
steep bone
i mean they do damage but not that much
sweet summit
they do slap
strong forum
still enough to flop quite fast
muted heron
So hypothetically if I use full versatility corruption. Will I survive l?
novel ruin
Not necessarily
strong forum
if every saltblast goes through, no even vers wont save that
steep bone
you will take less damage of course
novel ruin
You can solo a person by yourself
grand drum
You can pseudo interrupt like twice with fear and shockwave
novel ruin
Between shockwave, stormbolt, LoS, Fear, Kick and Spell Reflect
Lots of tools to solo a casting mob
steep bone
didn't you know that every tank death in dungeons is tank's fault for not having versa and not dps for doing their job and using interrupts?
Or healer to actually use some externals and not hold them until you're at 10% hp
LoS is pretty good on that pack there
novel ruin
LoS is very good in that place
muted heron
Okay. I just go in and face tank
muted heron
Guess that’s why I die
novel ruin
Use your tools to stop dangerous things
But you have to learn what is dangerous and what is not
steep bone
if its directly pack before second boss the one with guy that does aoe and you charge in wrong moment you'll flip faster than you think
distant crystal
you can reflect em all on pull
muted heron
I usually save reflect for the ghost that chase me
distant crystal
after that they're usually desynched
muted heron
Things behind your back
novel ruin
It doesn’t do any extra damage to you if it hits your back
distant crystal
i like to think that when i reflect thing from beyond
somebody's n'zoth just took that damage
muted heron
Ohh I see. I remember I watched rads guide on YouTube he said if you need to decide what to use on reflect. Use it on the ghost
steep bone
whats your gear
distant crystal
i mean use it on ring/thing sure, but not if there's something better to use it on at the time
sweet summit
would you rather reflect a ghost that does like 30%, or a waterblast that does like 30% and damages the mob back?
distant crystal
reflecting spells is taking dmg away from you and also speeding up your run
it's why protwarr is required for certain key levels this season
cause it adds so much dps to your group
steep bone
im pretty sure that salt blasts hits way harder than TFB
sweet summit
depends on level
muted heron
Okay. I’ll reflect there now
novel ruin
TFB does percentage damage
distant crystal
any time there's a group of mobs that will all cast on you on pull
novel ruin
Think like 30% base
muted heron
What do you mean my gear?
distant crystal
that's a great time for reflect
sweet summit
its like 30% yeah
muted heron
Ilvl is around 475
steep bone
wait
distant crystal
but gotta train your group to not blast all their kicks at once
steep bone
but tfb dmg is reduced by vers
steep bone
@muted heron i mean do you stack vers or whats your stats are
sweet summit
stat% are largely irrelevant
distant crystal
on a 15 fortified salt blast is 295K
steep bone
yeye but if he's stacking vers then reflecting tfb is even worse idea
as its gonna do like 80k maybe
muted heron
Oh most are haste and Vers. But my corruptions are 4 TD and 2 ID. I’m just +65 cloak resistance. Just started a month ago
distant crystal
so you can deal 600K extra dmg on pull for those pulls
steep bone
oh
novel ruin
TFB does about 240-250k base
steep bone
if you're learning then might aswell drop corruption to get below 40
novel ruin
You should be going haste/crit
novel ruin
Yup
muted heron
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distant crystal
LEECH
muted heron
My profile
sweet summit
warden major
muted heron
I don’t have a lot of options tho. Just using what I have
steep bone
warden major
sweet summit
you should not be having aggro issues as prot warr
steep bone
put either VoP or lucid in major
novel ruin
Why are you using warden major?
sweet summit
ashvanes but no MS 
muted heron
Is it bad?
sweet summit
there are better options
steep bone
take those vers enchants and gems away
and alchemy trinket aswell, if you're not doing high keys and vers stack then you don't need it
muted heron
I don’t have conflict lvl 3 yet. Getting to 1.6k is hard lol
sweet summit
idk, alch trink is good if you dont have anything better
its not "just for high keys"
steep bone
i mean stat proc is nice
novel ruin
steep bone
but getting dragonscale is easy
muted heron
Okay I’ll farm one
steep bone
vita+dragonscale is pog
limpid pawn
vita + scale = huge for mid/low keys
novel ruin
It’s big for high keys too
limpid pawn
getting like 2-3 twilight dev procs back to back is sex
for high keys, why u no LPS+ alch stone tho
novel ruin
People rely way too much on LPS
Not enough times where it’s necessary to run
If you are doing WF keys, sure, even then, WF tanks don’t always run it
sweet summit
vita/lps depends on key for me
steep bone
im not even alchemist
limpid pawn
it's good though, actually for my carry keys I run LPS + vita
limpid pawn
because the healer is pugged 100% of the time, and i usually pick someone who is "good enough" but won't leave lmao
novel ruin
But you don’t take damage in 15s
And if you aren’t needing LPS every 60-90 seconds it’s big waste
limpid pawn
sometimes they are real bad, I don't wanna risk it. The main situations I really am glad to have it = entering obelisk with fear guy and hero killer
steep bone
im 'healing' more than healers in 15s
limpid pawn
some healers are brain dead for real
novel ruin
I’m healing more in 25s and 26s in some dungeons than healers
limpid pawn
I have 5 pieces w/ leech in my verse set too
steep bone
i was the same with lps
novel ruin
I have 4% leech 😦
limpid pawn
i'm well over 10% atm
sweet summit
15% leech gang
steep bone
but sometimes i was just using it because i felt like it was off cd for too long
limpid pawn
😮
muted heron
If my overall is higher than a dps player in 17s and 18s. Is it because they’re very bad or it’s just I run a lot of TD and gets a lot in trash
steep bone
it's because you've td and they're bad
distant crystal
@novel ruin you're thinking of doing 15's where people kick things and healers heal well
limpid pawn
diamond, it's 100% they are bad
novel ruin
@distant crystal no
distant crystal
there's plenty of trap 15s where you'll get big use out of LPS
sweet summit
mate its just leech from gear
novel ruin
Then you are playing poorly
sweet summit
its not corruptions
limpid pawn
in my carry keys, it's always me and my wife (mage) , both of us 4k+ IO players, and damage is usually her #1, me #2
(which is horrible)
novel ruin
A 475 Prot warrior with haste/crit literally takes 0 damage in a 15
sweet summit
i did 108k in a ML boost run just now 😎 AMA
novel ruin
If played well
limpid pawn
erga how much TD?
novel ruin
So stop making excuses for shitty play and just get better
sweet summit
whatever u have below 40
limpid pawn
you running like 2 IT?
sweet summit
with IT1x2
distant crystal
or just play LPS
limpid pawn
hm... so my carry set = TD6 + IT1
limpid pawn
push set = 7x versatile 3, IT1x2
steep bone
24+?
distant crystal
and quit worrying so much about what other ppl are playing in their keys you feel are too low to care about
novel ruin
Without vers? Usually about the 22/23 range
limpid pawn
it depends on dungeon i think
sweet summit
^
steep bone
that too
novel ruin
Yup
limpid pawn
like freehold, you can go less verse and not really feel much
steep bone
freehold is meme
novel ruin
22 KR big diff compared to 22 FH
limpid pawn
lucid major gets you through those tough pulls EZ
limpid pawn
but yeah, like 22 KR, SOTS really fuck
sweet summit
sots?
novel ruin
SOTS is actually one of the lowest damage taken dungeons
sweet summit
you have like 4 dtps in sots
limpid pawn
people suck at kicking sometimes bros
sweet summit
rip
steep bone
pull less then
novel ruin
Then tell em to play better or pull less
distant crystal
just die and tell them to play gud
muted heron
I just read Xanoth guide. So needs to use lucid and avatar together. I always used them separately lol
novel ruin
Yup
steep bone
just die and tell them to play gud
@distant crystal that ends up as blame game where you're the guilty one for not playing 60% vers
limpid pawn
i pull normal, i have a good group that kicks of course, but just sayin - i've been in groups where they miss a few and it really fucks
sweet summit
well they do kinda like up naturally 👀
novel ruin
Point of lucid is to do double avatar back to back
distant crystal
doesn't matter you're not allowed to play defensive builds unless it's 25s+
just gotta die and wring your hands about the bad kicks
novel ruin
Play what you want
naive barn
Mmm just got TD3 boots
novel ruin
But if you are trying to be optimal for the content, then change gear for optimal setting
naive barn
But.... Ilvl 445 😁 😁 😁
limpid pawn
ok, but just for the sake of discussion
novel ruin
Why I don’t use LPS (and that Nzoth doesn’t drop anything for me)
limpid pawn
having full verse in SOTS will allow kicks to be missed sometimes and you won't die
steep bone
you still will die
limpid pawn
whereas the same situation in full TD you will die
limpid pawn
yes
novel ruin
Or LoS
limpid pawn
extra one is a lot of room for error
novel ruin
Or our range
steep bone
you can do big pull at start and kite in first room
limpid pawn
33% extra survival lol
steep bone
around pillar
novel ruin
But you should be aware of when blasts are going out
steep bone
you can self care for blasts
on keys you'redoing trash doesnt live long enough
to do that many casts
novel ruin
Most high end groups must first pull
steep bone
you've reflect, kick, storm bolt, shockwave, fear
sweet summit
lust first attendant pull
novel ruin
Yup
novel ruin
3pack after 3rd boss?
sweet summit
the two spinnyboys with the 2 packs inside sorn room
novel ruin
Lol
steep bone
too much haste
limpid pawn
THAT IS HOW YOU INTERRUPT
sweet summit
pull it
steep bone
so we're pulling her with two guys close to her
novel ruin
Use OB
novel ruin
Then do the pull afterwards
steep bone
i don't play with rogue so we use ob to skip elemental
sweet summit
solo elemental
novel ruin
Ez % in low to mid 20s
sweet summit
aye
sweet summit
F
steep bone
dunno how to do it
sick sentinel
What happens if you do spider with last boss in shrine then?
novel ruin
Healer runs and dispels
sick sentinel
Once you go intermission
novel ruin
Then LoS storm
steep bone
he stays with dps i suppose
sweet summit
both "teams" can attack it
tame garden
pepelaugh
steep bone
😮
novel ruin
It’s active with both teams
sweet summit
but never do spider on last boss shrine
sick sentinel
Both can?
sick sentinel
Which one then
novel ruin
But will follow whoever has Agro on it
sweet summit
blob
sweet summit
or none
novel ruin
Blob or fear
steep bone
fear can end badly
sweet summit
nah, fear is no me gusta
novel ruin
Fear is free
sick sentinel
Fear is needed to skip right
sweet summit
not in shrine imo
steep bone
fear guy with shaman
sweet summit
yeah
novel ruin
Fear guy with shaman or priest is freely
steep bone
actually @novel ruin i haven't used invis pot since s3
novel ruin
I use it for specific things
steep bone
but i religiously overuse lightfoot
novel ruin
Cuz I don’t normally run with a rogue 😦
sick sentinel
5 min unbridled cd
novel ruin
Plz don’t remind me of 5min ppt CDs
sweet summit
mate lightfoot is bis
novel ruin
Yeah light foot is BiS
sweet summit
id rather prepot lightfoot than uf
steep bone
rogues/mages in keys im doing are doing negative damage + they're trash
novel ruin
Oh!! @sweet summit
sick sentinel
Is it even possible to tank well without lightfoot
sweet summit
no
icy harness
They are the actual mobs
novel ruin
If you want to not do 2-4packs at a time, sure
sick sentinel
Rog damage lul
novel ruin
But is that even tanking then?
sweet summit
do i hear a pussy thats kiting? 🤔
novel ruin
@sweet summit The GM of the guild I’m trialing with asked me if I would be interested in tanking next tier
steep bone
you found guild as tank? 😮
novel ruin
No
steep bone
😦
sick sentinel
That's not possible
novel ruin
I joined as warrior
sick sentinel
Only 1/12 guilds recruit tanks
novel ruin
During interview I told em I wanted to try to do something else than mdps if possible
Talked about options. Figured it was gonna be a rdps but now it seems it may be raid tanking in the future
steep bone
Only 1/12 guilds recruit tanks
@sick sentinel mine was 11/12 😦
novel ruin
Which means I bring out the Pally/DK/Warrior for leveling
sweet summit
my guild actually has good tanks, feelsbadman
limpid pawn
I got recruited into a guild at mythic ashvane as a tank
sick sentinel
Most tank spots seem to be for life
novel ruin
Erga, you 5k now. You can take Naowhs spot
sweet summit
nah mate im still bad
limpid pawn
yeah, tank spots are pretty safe lol
steep bone
tank spots are bis
limpid pawn
are the tank mechanics considered easier than the normal ones?
sick sentinel
It's the comfiest role
mellow patio
Whether you like it or not
novel ruin
I’ve never done tanking for raid
steep bone
raid tanking is snoozefest