for 10s - 21/22s depending on the key
#protection
obtuse yoke
tender phoenix
got 1 ineff so far and got a few TD 1s due to no luck
tender phoenix
time to farm some echos
obtuse yoke
you can work on vers too if you want to tank high keys, its not like its bad in 10s-22s too, just not required
tender phoenix
is it better to get haste % or just TD?
obtuse yoke
just td
grand drum
TD but expedient isnt bad
tender phoenix
got told ages ago that its Haste % on lower keys and vers% on higher
grand drum
Vers% on higher so you dont get 1 shot or trucked through shield block
Sub 20 keys that will not happen if you play correctly
tender phoenix
ah ok thanks for the help 🙂
novel ruin
@tender phoenix https://docs.google.com/document/d/1K1dqat0WwBJ7faXu71DWyCDRzx5Lf0o22LonVOcji_U/edit#heading=h.rnz5besh20e1
tender phoenix
I'll take a read of that tomorrow
oblique garnet
tropic basalt
best traits for mythic skit shoulders?
distant crystal
bom hod OP impass
novel ruin
no, skit shoulders are BiS
tropic basalt
cool cool ty
plush tendon
Clockwork or Meticulous Scheming?
craggy harness
Wierd, anyone ever get a case where the game refuses to proc twilight devastation at all?
like multiple pulls
orchid halo
How do most handle Sots 2nd boss? Still kiting or hold in haste buff and burn?
craggy harness
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/rQLcTWDkxHnYgM91#fight=2&type=damage-done&source=8 after 2nd wipe, no TDs until i relogged until i got a kill
novel ruin
@orchid halo hold in haste buff on either right or left edge of room, move out of tornadoes and the Damage reduction buff
fervent fossil
How does mastery work for us? Is there a base chance to critically block and it increases that chance linearly and does deep wounds damage increase with mastery outside of the regular damage scaling?
sick sentinel
block is already complicated enough without critical block
fervent fossil
would you mind pointing me in the direction where I can find out more about it if you don't want to explain?
undone sun
Mastery % is the chance to block when you don't have SB or LS up.
Mastery % is the chance to crit block when you do have SB or LS up.
Crit block is double reduction a normal block would do up to 85% cap
fervent fossil
oh that is cool
sick sentinel
okay so 30% for normal block, 60% for crit block
what is the block number on the shield itself
main vault
Block rating
main vault
Same as armor
sick sentinel
right, but block and crit block are flat 30/60%?
wise fulcrum
who here runs 59> corruption vs 39>? Is it worth pushing that high?
main vault
Block works exactly like armor
elfin siren
who here runs 59> corruption vs 39>? Is it worth pushing that high?
@wise fulcrum I usually kept to 39 or under and crept up to 40 and it was horrible, so I thought screw it, ran mid 50's and it did not seem ANY worse than running 40, so happy with mid 50's from now on I think
novel ruin
@wise fulcrum It can be. Depending on your corruption going to mid to high 50s gives you a TD1, Vers Amp 3, Expedient 3 which depending on the player can be worth the added woes from going above 40.
Me personally, im running at 48 corruption with Vers Amps right now with Lucid and Aegis minor which most people running in the 50s corruption are running one of those plus Warden minor.
distant crystal
sweet summit
onyx vessel
undone sun
real orchid
with this week's corruption budget, can now with 1xIT1 1xIT2, 7xVers3 = 56 corruption
this is better than Surging3, IT1, 6xVers3? = 53 corruption
thoughts?
sweet summit
IT2=no
strong forum
Always keep IT1x2
If you absolutely want to, sure go ahead and run 1x IT2 1x IT1 7x vers3
But it's kind of overkill
sweet summit
You could go 2 IT1+6 vers3+1 sv3
Or 2 IT1+7 vers3
One is sub 40 one is sub 60
If my math is correct
strong forum
Maff is wrong
Maybe
Idk
Oh shit actually yeah, 2x IT1 +7xvers3 is below 40 now
:pog:
sweet summit
mellow patio
Vers is for _____________
sweet summit
N
mellow patio
||NERDS||
real orchid
well, nerftank was saying that he really liked IT2+IT1+7xVers3
just cuz of true clapping every global during avatar when IT is up
strong forum
Not saying it's bad, but kind of overkill
strong forum
Getting 18 corruption for 20 CDR
real orchid
but I feel like there's plenty of those ... if u're not doing X key don't do Y
strong forum
That's regarding vers ya
frosty wren
just cuz of true clapping every global during avatar when IT is up
@real orchid just run 2x IT1, same effect
real orchid
the extra corruptin past 40 doesnt kill you cuz of vers stacking
but the extra slow etcs
steep bone
Slow is annoying af
real orchid
and the eye circle
it's annoying
to say the least
and if u dont have a pocket pally that throw u freedom b4 you even ask
it's pretty damn annoying
strong forum
I'll run 2x IT1 4x Vers3 and 1x TD3 until end of expac, if not more TD
real orchid
i'd do the 2xIT+7vers3 whenever I feel like I'm pushing a key that's outside my comfort zone
just for the extra cushion
(how well you play is subjective - so how much vers you need is also subjective between different class of palyers)
strong forum
Ya but I hate people trying to min max their vers gear with dropping an IT, slapping another vers on or another surging vit.
real orchid
yah
I agree
i think the 1TD works well
asumming MOSt people plays around 18 - 23 keys level ( for non-hardcore at least)
seeing that 23 is usuually the limit for puggable
strong forum
Cuz they think they're doing themselves a favour. But then they're only running 25s and don't realise that past 25s it's legit only the dps dying to stuff instead of tanks
So they're min maxing for smth that doesn't actually have a benefit
real orchid
i mean, u gear for how much you think u'll need. But then you pug - then dps/healer start pulling extra shit by accident
it's nice to have that extra vers (you didn't think you need)
for those moments
steep bone
u gear for how much you think u'll need.
and you should gear for content you're actually capable of and content you're doing, else it's overkill
real orchid
I think that's a harsh generalization
people can emulate gears from top streamers, but they can only dream of emualting the skills
so the safety net has a benefit
to cover the msitakes that u'd make, cuz u're not a pro
strong forum
That's the wrong way of learning tanking
steep bone
You don't have to be pro to do your rotation correctly
and if you've fluffy pillow build on low-ish keys you'll never learn as nothing gonna be punishable
strong forum
Vers promotes bad play, cuz you don't need to play good
So your mistakes don't even get noticed
sweet summit
Let me stack vers now and git gud never
real orchid
hm..
strong forum
If you go in bare bones until 23/24 you'll learn so much more than starting with 60% vers from the get go
sweet summit
Imean its only a game do whatever the fuck you want
steep bone
so in the end, if you start running vers too early you'll hit super hardstuck wall later on and find out that doing 24+ is impossible and it's gonna be due to your skills and not lack of gear, skills that you could train before
sweet summit
But
real orchid
Growl mentioned one of the podcast that you should gear for what u want to paly at your endgame
there's absoultely nothing wrong with people aiming for a certaint set
IF thhats all they have time for
steep bone
and then you have tanks doing mostly 18s with full vers
sweet summit
No, not at all
steep bone
btw hi frens 
sweet summit
👋
undone sun
steep bone
also pug tanks and those vers stackers tend to do one big mistake, they fully copy their streamer build but they still do some weird 1pack at a time routes, while they have gear that would allow them to pull half of the dungeon and survive 😛
real orchid
it's true, tanks should learn to pull efficently overtime
and thats the better way of learning to tank
but i think for most, gear is static, and it's the easiest thing to emulate
and thats why vers stacking amount novice is so common
steep bone
but usually if you're doing lower content others aren't capable of performing well enough for you to do such pulls, they will die to mob mechanics, won't kick or cc in any way
real orchid
personally I just hate how inconsistent TD is and how it pulls stuff by accdient
imagine if echovoid wasn't nerfed to the ground
and it's a real alternative to TD
steep bone
TD pulls by 'accident' if you face yourself towards wrong direction
real orchid
I mean, sure you can chalk that up to being bad play
steep bone
past over 100+ dungeons i haven't ninjapulled with td at all, i think only like two times in tol dagor but that was purely cuz i didn't know it's gonna pull through walls
steep bone
yeah that can happen not saying no, but it happens to everyone, still nothing that you should worry about
real orchid
yah, just wish echo void does better dmg. would've been a nice and consistent dmg corruption for tanks
sweet summit
Yeah its inconsistent
But have you ever proced 3 times back to back to back and deleted everything?
real orchid
lol of course
steep bone
Yeah its inconsistent
But have you ever proced 3 times back to back to back and deleted everything?
@sweet summit especially on bosses and do 80k+ xD
real orchid
then you flex to your group "did you see my dps"? and they replied pshhh, it's all TD
steep bone
dps is dps
real orchid
hey, tell that to the stats stacking dps classes
strong forum
Combooost
real orchid
like somehow their dps is ALL skills
sweet summit
Imean same can be said against everyone else
real orchid
and TD/Lash is somehow just pure luck
strong forum
I just love screaming comboost when I proc TDs go delete packs
Fuck outta here with fire mages
sweet summit
"Oh its just 'insert x essence/trinket/trait/curruption'"
steep bone
i legit refuse to take mages
strong forum
'duh look at my 31k mastery' hurr durr
real orchid
lol
strong forum
Or however much
steep bone
fire mages are good only for coordinated groups, dont @ me
sweet summit
Ehhh
real orchid
lol @ that firemage that pulls in 3 extra packs for you
cuz he think u're not worth his time
sweet summit
Minute mage is good no matter what as long as the key is high enough
steep bone
Oh ye, people ninjapulling packs on you is the best
real orchid
(this is one of the few times where i'm like - shit, I'm glad I have my vers set on)
steep bone
you're out of cooldowns getting them back ready for some spicy pull right after but nooo
steep bone
i just take bm hunter
sweet summit
Dont grab aggro on that pack, let the mage die :)
steep bone
they have cooldowns all the time ecc dee
sweet summit
Yeah
real orchid
they're fun to play with
sweet summit
Yep
real orchid
and they help out with so much
steep bone
if you chain for them
real orchid
and they 'appreciate" you chainpulling
whereas the dumb mages just complain you dont pull big enough for them
steep bone
they bitch cuz you don't reset combat so their 700k burst drops to 80k cuz next pack they do sub healer damage ♿
real orchid
sprist - disprect your pull timer cuz they dont want to drop crit stack
mage - WHY DID YOU PULL? WHERE"S MY 50 sec timerrr??
sweet summit
Complaints no matter what i do
steep bone
as i said, i don't like fire mages, they also usually refuse to join voice and call their shits
fire mage: 20s pull timer, need big pull every x time, preferably one mob has lots of health and noone else touches it, if you fuckup to pull in his trinket ritual he's giga pissed
bm hunter: haha multishot cds reset goes brrr
sweet summit
You dont do 20 sec in keys.
steep bone
well of course
steep bone
but thats what i meant
hes using trink and then you have 15ish seconds to pull
imagine looking at mage fonting in the background when you have 12 mobs on, or reading party chat
But still, if fire mage joins voice i don't mind pulling for his combust, if he refuses i also cba using more brain power or paying attentiont to what hes doing
sweet summit
I have a WA that plays a sound when someone in my party fonts
steep bone
EHHH i got gigabis ring for hunter on warrior, and gigabis ring for warrior on hunter :___:
legit weekly trolled
and can you share that WA? 😮
sweet summit
I can when i get home
steep bone
poggies
real orchid
ok - got one for you guys. Everyone talks about how you dont need to stack vers for <23 keys. But we also see top tank drop ilvl for leech
so what about wearing 465 leech gears but pack on TD's to make up for lack of vers?
steep bone
thats for highest keys
real orchid
yah, so if vers+leech = far end of the high keys. What about the benefits of just running say.. 20% vers, 10-15% leech, and like TD5?
steep bone
no benefit, that healing you'll do to yourself will be huge overhealing
real orchid
can you check for overhealing in details?
steep bone
yes
go to healing, click on yourself then mouse over abilities and you'll see overhealing done, or swap healing window to overhealing window
like on my example, with 3x impassive visage, lucid and like 3% leech it's overkill self healing (add to that lots of running with warden so even more). I'm not saying that leech is bad - it's not, but it's bad to drop ilvl for leech for content where you don't need that
real orchid
I guess u're alluring to the idea that healing from leech (passively outside of lucid major) isn't enough to outheal dmg taken when you pull poorly, or fail certain dmg mechanics as a tank
steep bone
im just saying from own experience, if you want more detailed answers wait for nome, erga or some other big boy here
ionic fern
WHat? Who drops ilvl for leech @real orchid ?
steep bone
I think some top players dropped one or two pieces
torn gust
me :v
ionic fern
And they are stacking VERS
steep bone
Ofc
sweet summit
Why are you yelling VERS
torn gust
need more vers
real orchid
WHat? Who drops ilvl for leech @real orchid ?
@ionic fern lol nah, of course still haste/vers item with leech. not just ANY leech item 😛
like say.. 465 loa ring + leech VS 475 loa ring
sweet summit
What gives you more stats?
Leech is a stat after all
Keep in mind vers corruptions
sweet summit
1 stat=1 stat
real orchid
ok, so if 465 vs 475 loa rignt = 10 vers difference
sweet summit
With or without vers amps
real orchid
so if u stack 7 vers3 (thats +84% vers)
real orchid
ok, so another 81 stam and 6 haste differnce
so 18 vers, 81 stam 6 haste vs 98 leech
so if the argument is that leech is virtually non-beneficial because of huge amount of overhealing in lower keys rendering it almost useless
that's giving up quite a bit of stats going from 475 -> 465 just for that leech
and this is from just 1 item
ionic fern
What are we even arguing about?
real orchid
dropping 10 item level for ~leech
real orchid
true, there's also strength on others
arctic python
Hey, does anyone have the time to check my char here and let me know if anything stands out? (gear, talents, traits) https://raider.io/characters/eu/ravencrest/Pepperkeanen
sweet summit
You took gemhide over impassive visage?
arctic python
U would swap that ?
steep bone
impassive visage is bis
arctic python
ah didnt know
what about the two high ilvl pieces with crit/vers - would u swap those for 465 with haste/vers?
obtuse yoke
i feel like vop r3 minor would be > aegis r2 minor too
steep bone
wouldnt it be better to swap warden for vop?
arctic python
use warden for corruption res
arctic python
alright
arctic python
that's what i would think
sweet summit
R3 is just the heal right
steep bone
steep bone
random kick everytime you pop spell reflection
coral marsh
strong forum
Both are good. If you're full vers stacking alchemy trinket is better.
pearl summit
have competent melee/hunter pets and reflect on CD on first boss, solo guardian, reflect deep smashes (spicy if they are 0.1sec desynced, reflect 3rd boss and every caster inbetween
I think I reached about 45 mil reflected dmg in a 24 shrine
balanced tank spec btw
strong forum
Idk I'd say that's more the fault of the dungeons
In raids you can't reflect shit, it's only a deflect at best
brittle owl
Idk I'd say that's more the fault of the dungeons
^^^^
it's more encounter design than class being op
people not understanding this distinction led to pwarr changes in shadowlands as they are currently
steep bone
bis dps trinkets are.... vita and dragonscale aye?
i've been scrubbing with vita+lps all the time
steep bone
i just got wrathion with socket so might aswell use it lulw
lone bane
with full vers amps which minor should i use
lucid or aegis ?
raw hazel
Hi. Kinda Prot, kinda general. Aside from tailoring bandages, are there other reasonable ways to heal party members? I'm trying to figure out how reasonable The Proven Healer is on prot war
mellow patio
Vers is for ||nerds||
raw hazel
I can keep 'em pretty safe but I need to heal in between waves or I just lose ground
sweet summit
no, not really
thats a healers job
raw hazel
I mean, it'd be trivial on a healer hybrid, my brew or paladin could do it, but I want it on prot
lone bane
as a main healer, i can tell you its not your job to bandage people 🙂
mellow patio
Ah gross never heal others
raw hazel
do you get what I'm trying to do? it's a pandaland achievement
mellow patio
Oh
sweet summit
oh
raw hazel
the Proving Ground was added in pandaland and they're scaled things that you had to do to a certain level to queue heroics in wod I think?
endless mode gives you titles
that's where Proven Defender, Assailant, and Healer come from
I have the two that prot is supposed to have
but
I want...
Griegor, the Proven Healer
because it's stupid
sweet summit
hmmm
raw hazel
Bandages, but I'm not sure I can do 30 waves of Endless with only them
strong forum
Cof major, vulpera racial
sweet summit
beat me to it
mellow patio
Cof major ftw
raw hazel
That's a good idea but I'm not sure if I'm willing to race change twice for this joke
strong forum
mellow patio
warm plinth
Why twice? Vulpera BiS
strong forum
I'm vulpera without it being a joke
raw hazel
it's on the table though
warm plinth
Don't @ me
mellow patio
Really a fan of hyperjam
strong forum
sweet summit
vulpera 🤢
mellow patio
Panda BiS
sweet summit
if youre not a blood elf, youre wrong
raw hazel
you mean
sweet summit
sounds like a you problem
raw hazel
you sacrificed everything?
mellow patio
Belfs are for ||nerds||
sweet summit
looks like im a nerd guys :(
raw hazel
useful racials are a crutch, play worgen
mellow patio
Alliance 🤮
strong forum
If we're going for usefulness, nothing beats voidelf
That sweet 50% off on tmog cost
naive barn
Sooo... Guildie says stacking versa actually does more DMG than TD... Were talking low keys like 15-20 max
naive barn
Very wrong, right ?...
mellow patio
Did no one screen shot my math
strong forum
Very wrong
sweet summit
i did not :(
raw hazel
no
warm plinth
How
sweet summit
50=TD2
mellow patio
TD will blow all versatility damage out of the water
Vers is for
|| you guessed it ||
||nerds||
sweet summit
ill do a sim, sec
naive barn
Well, if you raid - TD gives u nothing I guess... But he also said warrior tanks are shit this tier.. for raiding
steep bone
he was braindead enough to have immo aura when we were going to blob
so he got in combat everyone
warm plinth
"warrior tanks are shit this tier" kek
steep bone
and instead of wiping quick they kept pulling blob to entrance
mellow patio
TD does nothing? Tell that to my 70k dps ST
steep bone
well one guy in particular
naive barn
He says druid/DK are much better ATM
warm plinth
You should listen to nothing that guy says Joppe
mellow patio
DRUID LMAO
warm plinth
Literally nothing
mellow patio
please ban that man
sweet summit
mellow patio
Remove that man from your life
naive barn
God damn u guys go from 0 to 100 very fast 
strong forum
@ionic fern i heard TD does nothing in raid. Thoughts?
mellow patio
elite CE gamer
warm plinth
We go 0 to 100 as quickly as the stupid in the chat
mellow patio
heavy breathing
strong forum
Let's ignore the fact that nothing in raid is dangerous enough to validate the use of vers other than being a lazy sack of shit
:)
strong forum
:)
naive barn
I was kinda thinking that myself... I mean... Warrior have so many CDs on top of SB
mellow patio
and at this point we have to press 0 of them to survive
cursive burrow
We have CDs?
sweet summit
kinda
mellow patio
Good man
naive barn
Well I count SR, DEMO, LS, SW as CDs
cursive burrow
Oh! My Nzoth trinket I use after I fuck up and start looking at my other monitor mid boss fight.
strong forum
Tbh my favourite CD in the game has to be Demo shout
cursive burrow
That counts right?
steep bone
tbh best cd we have
raw hazel
Last Stand is a damage cooldown if you have TD and luck
naive barn
:D
mellow patio
So you mean prot has buttons
naive barn
LS ON PULL FOR GIGA PROCCS
mellow patio
Not cds
steep bone
LS+Rally for giga dps
mellow patio
I refuse to retype
naive barn
Did you type it in here ?
mellow patio
No respect for anyone to screenshot it
naive barn
Search function ?...
sweet summit
im on it 🕵️
cursive burrow
I mean...theres like...2 single target fight in Mythic...3 on heroic. Positioning means you can double every TD proc damage.
sweet summit
there is 1 ST fight, the rest has some form of cleave
cursive burrow
Im counting Skitra as ST.
sweet summit
you can TD the psyche?
cursive burrow
Positioning/range is tricky on that one and it dies so quick meh.
sweet summit
fair
sick sentinel
Never played with the affix teeming, can some one explain ?
mellow patio
More mobs
cursive burrow
More trash and bigger pulls.
mellow patio
Less % per mob
raw hazel
some dungeons also have those extra spawns randomly
sick sentinel
Are the mobs are doubled from the dungeons ?
raw hazel
as in like, it'll be one of 2 groups that spawns
sweet summit
using % and not count 🤢
cursive burrow
Like the pull before priestess in AD has 7 mobs instead of 5.
raw hazel
or 2 extra honor guards on the other side
cursive burrow
Yeah.
mellow patio
Not screenshotting my math 🤮
sick sentinel
Is it easy ? 😅
cursive burrow
It does change the path a bit.
sweet summit
🤢
mellow patio
UR gud
sweet summit
AD has RNG spawn packs
raw hazel
Teeming isn't the worst, when it's hard you'll feel like you're going reasonably fast and still just not time it
sweet summit
and ToS has 5 dirvishes in one pack 🤢
cursive burrow
Fuck that pack.
sweet summit
remember when there used to be a void emissary there? :)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
cursive burrow
Nope. Started this season after leaving the game after NH.
sick sentinel
So ice trap etc is useful
raw hazel
that being said, this teeming week has no on-death affix, so if you aren't pushing the highest keys you can, you should feel a bit more comfortable pulling big packs
ionic fern
@ionic fern i heard TD does nothing in raid. Thoughts?
@strong forum ???
cursive burrow
Deleting adds on raidfigts just feels so gud.
sweet summit
If you do 50k dps in a dungeon and we will say 40% is TD to make a nice even number. Take away 20k dps from your overall. You are now at 30k dps. In order to achieve 50k dps again, you will need a 66% increase to your base damage to hit 50k. And that is not accounting for the fact that TD is hitting all targets in most pulls whereas abilities such as devastate, SS, etc do not
@mellow patio i think i found it
strong forum
@ionic fern just some stupid advise a bad guild mate gave someone yet again
Well, if you raid - TD gives u nothing I guess... But he also said warrior tanks are shit this tier.. for raising
ionic fern
cursive burrow
That cat is not jammin.
sweet summit
got it, sir
raw hazel
I'm so fuckin' stupid, those titles are accountwide
mellow patio
Glad to hear it
sweet summit
ok thats epic
raw hazel
I do want the feeling of getting on prot but I'm doing that after my fuckin' druid does it
grand drum
How difficult is the proven titles now? Last time i tried them i got owned
Do they scale with ilvl?
hard sky
@grand drum i recently did proven assasin and defender, both while i was specced fury
raw hazel
they aren't hard but they do scale to 120
hard sky
you probably want at least hc gear to be able to do it
raw hazel
I'm typing while doing the healer one at 430 rn
dark lark
quick question: if i'm looking at my death logs, how can i see if a melee was mitigated or not
ive seen on some other pages it'll say (B: 291793) or whatever but not on death log
chilly brook
I mean you died from the add
dark lark
are you looking at the auras?
sweet summit
yeah
sweet summit
66% blocked hits seems low
dark lark
i agree
sweet summit
if only i knew how to do queries
sweet summit
mate
you
didnt
use
LS
once
it was available when you dropped block before you died
also had SW available
chilly brook
No more block charges?
Hit LS
Unless you dont have things hitting you
No SB or LS available?
Hit SW
Don't skimp
dark lark
yeah i know the basics, just poor execution
sweet summit
yeh, sorry
dark lark
*i asked how can i see
chilly brook
It's not a roast
sick sentinel
hi guys sotw major doesnt scale with merekthas or?
chilly brook
No clue almost never use it
dark lark
and I'm not offended, but i asked how to see something on logs, not have you tell me why I died. I know why already
sweet summit
it does @sick sentinel
sick sentinel
ty
naive barn
@sweet summit ty for finding math
Is it really that much ? I only have 1 piece TD2
Well I guess it is.. when I do m+ it's 15-18% of my DMG.. with only one TD2 :D
sweet summit
TD is a lot of damage
chilly brook
I mean
Like let me put this into perspective for you
I did 40 million damage to Psychus the other day with TD
And it does a LOT of damage over the course of a dungeon
That's without the damage bonus btw
sweet summit
steep bone
mellow patio
You are weak nerd vdh heck out of here with your skewed td numbers
chilly brook
TD is TD brother
mellow patio
Bruh vdh TD is damn near 2x everyone else’s TD
dark lark
VDH TD is also the only thing they do
mental anchor
SR works against anguish like a dk AMS?
mellow patio
Yes you can SR anguish and get to afk
mental anchor
Nice to know I normally save it for TFB but if I need to i can use it there then
mellow patio
Saving SR for TFB and not just letting it hit you
mental anchor
The healers get mad when it shows up in logs on mythic nzoth prog lol
mellow patio
If it doesn’t kill you tell them to eat dirt
mellow patio
Their job is to heal not to complain
chilly brook
Just tell them healer mechanic and laugh
mental anchor
Lmao new affix GL
chilly brook
If it's not causing your death it's fine
mental anchor
Not mine but I get the I had to use a heal on you not this guy that just died
mellow patio
Only reason healers should care what a tank is doing is if you are slowing down prog. If their healing is that stretched thin they are the problem
mellow patio
Tell them to get gud
mental anchor
We have a Druid pushing 135k hps then it’s a 120k hpal 108k rsham then here comes the MW with 98k
mellow patio
Druids just pad on nzoth they don’t count
mental anchor
I love it haha
naive barn
Guess imma buy some TD if I ever get the opportunity :D
dusky mica
you only get residuum from azerite armor, there are no 470 azerite items
heroic azerite scraps to 200
distant crystal
i mean there are 470 azerite items
but they just give the same as other heroic azerite
dusky mica
actually yeah you are right, the last two bosses in heroic
still 200 from scrapping, mythic scraps for 1000 iirc
sweet summit
yep
strong forum
gotta love groups for old raids
cant even get an invite for zaqul cuz he thinks he needs specifically 2/3/15 otherwise you cant kill the beast
mellow patio
azshara is currently harder than m nzoth don’t @ me
strong forum
not on HC
mellow patio
Proud of you
strong forum
had like 90k dps last time on court
strong forum
enjoy your 1% upgrade from HC vita
strong forum
tru
mellow patio
People pay big gold every week just to get m vita
strong forum
god damn ilvl padders
strong forum
i mean shit, these people have to pay to get into mythic raids
so you already know whats up
sweet summit
F
mellow patio
still pagoda
tfw im deadass broke
@strong forum
i'm the definition of broke
steep bone
brittle owl
@still pagoda how much gold you have on your account
still pagoda
23k rn. Less and less with every week
and i'm cba farming and can't catch any boosting opportunities
civic rover
i have like 600k after buying a brutosaur
woven trellis
i see several people having Surging vitality in their vers build, any idea why
civic rover
if you have vers amps it gives a shit load of vers
civic rover
if you have room for it sure
woven trellis
well
i wont be able to buy more
before 1 month
so only thing i can do to fit a surging vitality
is to replace one of my IT1
or one Vers 1
civic rover
i'd replace a vers 1
steep bone
Buy surging vit or 5 vessels and get second last socket
sweet summit
wtf is a vision
strong forum
legit havent done em in like 3 weeks, and that was after a 3hrs session of grinding 70k memes for the mount
steep bone
Serious question tho
woven trellis
surging vit aint worth it
@strong forum
can you develop so i understand the whole thing please
actually
u right about the sockets
spamming vision
is so depressing
tho
sullen valve
WHERE THE FUCK IS MWAHI
steep bone
@ mwahi
steep bone
Ehh il get socket, maybe that priest from last time will take me and see i put effort into pushing 5k while having gear for 7k
novel ruin
@woven trellis You see some top pushers using a Surging vitality because they want to use all of the corruption resistance they have (up to 59). Surging Vitality gives a tad more overall vers than running a 7th vers amp.
By doing this they play high 50s corruption with warden minor. You also saw Nerf switch it to a IT r2 this week for the extra CDR.
Me personally, I’m sticking with the Vers Amps with ITr1 x2 and removing warden minor to play both aegis and lucid minors. It’s not as corruption budget min/max (48 total) but I believe the two better minors make up for it.
vocal skiff
is there any way to pull big in the hallway leading up to sisters in WM
the shadow cleaves hurt me so much
I know you can backpeddle
but they are all desync most of the time, and even avoiding them can be dicey to me
novel ruin
24 fort I can handle the witch plus 3 captains/3 guards. Any higher and I skip a pack
steep bone
Captains are just rough af
novel ruin
The guards are the one that cleave
vocal skiff
Do you face tank them on a 24?
warm plinth
Get the dungeon timers WA and you can easily avoid cleave every time
mellow patio
Weak aura
warm plinth
Captain strike still hits hard though
warm plinth
Fight me Hawgz
mellow patio
Can’t. Your weak aura will probably fight me for you
warm plinth
So you don't use any weakauras?
novel ruin
I facetank them with block up
Then if I have no block charges or defensives, I leap across witches room to give myself time for block to come back up.
Big thing is to not get him by the cleave/strike within a global so use Stormbolt to stun one if they seem to be linked together
steep bone
Where do You tank 2nd boss in ML? I was moving him to the wall so others have more space for adds to kite, or is it better to keep it where it is? I mean my idea was to let dps bait them to boss and stack so me or someone with aoe stun can stop their cast, but it usually ends as shitfiesta with people tunneling adds and not boss with cleaving on adds
strong forum
Just keep him in the middle
So you can circle the adds around him
To cleave them better
novel ruin
While the adds are chasing me, I rotate him around the middle
After adds I stay in middle and face towards the wall
steep bone
Gotta try that, but when it was in the mid sometimes pepega ran in front of boss face and got oneshoted so i just moved to wall to lower chance for that
novel ruin
You should have fixate on you with the first 4 adds so peeps shouldn’t be on you at all to avoid smash
novel ruin
Yeah, they go far away from boss. Drop portal right onto boss. You go out and clap boss right away
Should get all the fixates on you
sick sentinel
when i fight first boss shrine, and it splits to 3, i have to taunt, attack those first?
so dps healer doesn't get melee? is this correct?
novel ruin
No
You should attack 1
Dps should all attack a 2nd
Healer (or a ranged dps) should stand next to the 3rd and get melees
You want the dps focused one to die before the first rush they do
If whoever their Aggro target is is not in melee range of them, they will get sea blasted which does way more damage than their melees
novel ruin
Then healer had aggro on one of em and wasn’t in melee range of it
distant crystal
you gotta make em seablast you every time reflect is up tho >:)
steep bone
when i fight first boss shrine, and it splits to 3, i have to taunt, attack those first?
@sick sentinel taunt one and go from melee range then reflect his cast, You can do the same with boss before/after emerge, just make sure noone (even pets) are closer than You. Its big dam
sick sentinel
are you saying on split attack 1 mirror, taunt far one, heroic throw, charge attack other close mirror
distant crystal
if you get threat on two it's gonna be weird unless one dies very soon after
or i guess if they've surged next to eachother
sick sentinel
healer died to looks like a cast thing
civic rover
you can thunderclap two of the things at once
oblique garnet
If healer dies to seablast he was out of range of one of the split adds or had aggro on something that wasnt tanked properly
sick sentinel
oh, sea blast is if nobody is in melee range
oblique garnet
Yes
sick sentinel
so 3 of 5 players have to stand in melee range (guessing under 8 yards)
on each of the spawns
oblique garnet
Ye pmuch
It always spawns on triangle
Healer usually tanks the one on stairs
Dps go to the edge either left or right and you take whats remaining
sick sentinel
best case get a shaman or paladin for fight like that, may not be much be at least can block melee
indigo crypt
this build in dungeons is nice
ionic fern
For lower keys,sure. Bolster/HR will gain value really fast due to how strong block is. .especially in a scaling environment like m+.
warm plinth
I can't read that screenshot; the light is blinding me
grand drum
The screenshot is a paladin
warm plinth
Blinded by the liiiiight, cut loose like a deuce another runner in the night
distant crystal
revved up live a deuce
warm plinth
Different version of the song
Revved up like a deuce is the remake by uh
Manfred something
onyx vessel
i like how they moved bolster
cursive burrow
Is there a /cancelaura for cancelling annihalation on Vexxiona?
Or once I channel it I'm stuck channeling it?
analog zinc
we wasted a brez & other tank died 1 minute in so I just solo tanked mythic ra-den from 1 min onward lmao
died at 8% but we still killed it
sick sentinel
i have always been engineer and i used to use those brez like crazy
but more often than not they cause as many problems as it solves, can't block, have to be facing within melee range for 4 seconds.
now i almost never use them
distant crystal
they're best on a dps that has an invis/stealth/combat drop
pliant geyser
grizzled stump
Is the searing flame corruption from Faralos, Empires dream(Wrathion 1H) better dps per corruption than TD?
Like is it worth using that item?
grand drum
no, TD is better
grizzled stump
Rip, thanks
modern brook
Nah no rip the sword is still dope af
Just purify it if its bracketing you which it most likely is and recorrupt it with that good shit
orchid frigate
rapid trench
@cursive burrow press escape
silent hamlet
Would you recommend Stength of the Warden minor in Keys around 15? Playing with TD5 and 2x IF 1
Dont need the +10 corruption resistance atm
sweet summit
If u dont need the resistance, run something else
silent hamlet
CnS? Even without Verse amps?
sweet summit
CbS, Lucid, Sphere and aegis are all great
CnS is the best minor
Before corruptions even was added
silent hamlet
Even on Rank 2?
sweet summit
No
Its good, but rank3 adds a lot more stats
Depends on what else you hsve at that point
silent hamlet
Running Vision major, Lucid, Aegis minor atm
sweet summit
Got sphere?
silent hamlet
Should be able to buy that actually
silent hamlet
next week 😄
sweet summit
Epic
silent hamlet
Sphere is Rank 3 now
When playing with Vers Amps for higher keys, how should my setup look then?
sweet summit
Essence wise?
silent hamlet
yeah
sweet summit
CnS/VoP/Lucid major
CnS/VoP/Lucid/Aegis/Warden minors
silent hamlet
Okay
So I am going for Vision Major, Aegis, Lucid and Sphere for now
With CnS Rank 3 next week I change it with Sphere, right?
sweet summit
Aegis imo
sweet summit
It good
silent hamlet
Thx for the help
real orchid
How would you generically catagorize your 3 sets for say key lvl 20, 23, 25+?
For example:
20 : TD5 :: Major VoP - Minor: C&S, Aegis, Warden/Lucid/Sphere
23: TD3 :: Major VoP/Lucid - Minor: C&S, Aegis, Warden/Lucid/Sphere
25: Full Vers : Major C&S - Minor: Aegis, Warden/Lucid/Sphere
Obviously - there are time you slot in different essence per dungeon. But like I said - genericlly here
marble cipher
Don't run sphere minor if you're running CnS major though, as you'll cancel out your own roots, and I'm not sure if you get the double strife bonus if that happens.
sweet summit
Na you dont get double vers from claps then
marble cipher
(no root isn't bad obviously, but you'll want the strife bonus)
cloud tangle
can you tank Voidweaver with last boss in Underrot?
cloud tangle
spider
sweet summit
Why would you not use that side for count and skip with him 🤔 but yes, you can
Just have kicks for it
cloud tangle
is fear guy better?
sweet summit
The trash over on that side is slower, so i dont pull anything there
steep bone
Berserker rage first one, get dispelled on second one and spider is dead or dead after first fear if key is low enough
misty cliff
Whats a good essence setup to get started for someone neew to tanking?
Doing mostly M+.
steep bone
vop major, strenght of the warden, lucid dreams and conflict minor
@sweet summit is that good dam?
steep bone
I died like a pleb once 😦
misty cliff
Thanks waifu, anyone have other opinions?
misty cliff
Just want something for me to get started being new to tanking.
Well, in this season/xpac.
strong forum
Ye then what waifu said
Perfectly solid choice
That reinforces your general gameplay and doesn't alter it
steep bone
Once you start feeling comfy you can use lucid major instead of vop and put vop on minor instead but then you want to kinda do bigger pull around lucid as lucid+avatar makes you kind of immortal to some extent
modern brook
Anyone here do the omega pull at the start of TD?
sweet summit
always
modern brook
can you explain in detail how its supposed to work?
My team always kills me and im not sure if its my team or me
sweet summit
with or without turtles
modern brook
w/o
modern brook
sorry w/ druid
sweet summit
tank gathers everything, y'all lust and start blasting
druid wants to be inside everything, closest to crabs to bait the squeeze
the rest kinda stays away
but still in range to do damage
tank is not facetanking that
modern brook
Is tht what the CNS major is for?
steep bone
😦
sweet summit
CnS is for that and the mobs inside
loads of mobs run away when they get low in TD
and its annyoing as FUCK
modern brook
so we just kite at 8yds with CnS + w/e that talent is
sweet summit
crackling thunder?
sweet summit
i just pop whatever i have available on pull and facetank for like 10-20 sec then start running, clapping as i go
rapid trench
^
modern brook
and the druid can just shape shift the squeezes?
sweet summit
yes
sweet summit
rogue can vanish/gouge/BTE etc it
steep bone
P[OGGIES
sweet summit
ez
modern brook
definitely sad hunt
rapid trench
Didnt know naowh was active in this chat
sweet summit
who
strong forum
He isn't really active here, but he did join as a reference point for the pin
sweet summit
relevant for the TD pull pepelaff
https://clips.twitch.tv/PlayfulAlluringChinchillaKappaClaus
steep bone
ADDS DISENGAGED OUT OF BOSS AREA ;_____;
sweet surge
Guys, any recommendation for a M+ tank-oriented nameplate addon?
sweet summit
@steep bone 
steep bone
plater or elvui
sweet summit
plater
sweet surge
Elvui is out of the question, too customized, I prefer a more stock look
sweet surge
Isn't Elvui an entire UI rehaul addon?
sweet summit
you dont need to use everything within elvui
sweet surge
Ah
steep bone
well you can make plater look whatever you want, legit whatever even Overwatch style nameplate 🤞
sweet surge
I'll check it out now, thanks :]
hopefully it has good support for overlapping nameplates or whatever you call that
the default ones overlap so bbadly I can barely click anything when pulling like 10 mobs and need to interrupt/stun
steep bone
For that you need small bit also big enough plates to see nameplates and just set them to be stacking and just pick distance between them, but you won't prevent overlapping. Mark important targets and set them on focus and it's easy
harsh cedar
How good is the effect on the Junkyard shield?
distant crystal
bad
strong forum
Terrible
sweet summit
poop
harsh cedar
So if I understand you guys correct.. you are saying it is bad? 😛
steep bone
The shield is bad. BUT if it's your highest ilvl shield you still equip it. If it's same ilvl as other one then you take other one
modern brook
truly the noblest of lives
steep bone
if you have only 465 shield it's easy to get better one, or if you have/willing to spare few hundred k you can get 475
harsh cedar
Tbh just doing stuff in the 15-17 region atm so dont feel it worth dropping a few hundred Gs on 475 🙂
Thanks for the tip though!"
modern brook
spending gold on consumables isnt even worth it anymore imo
harsh cedar
Tbh they are so cheap that it doesnt matter really 😛 Doing the 2 assault easily carry my expense the entire week ^_^
steep bone
Just telling possibilites 😄
deep steppe
jagged bay
gz on the mount
sick sentinel
what does all the dmg in the bridge pull before final in work shop
i got to there and we were fine, pulled group + robot and got dumpstered, tried it again same thing, pulled small group, then small and was fine
made timer, +15
the bouncy robots im pretty sure
sick sentinel
no, those 3 robots also suck
big spider bastards
the run was near perfect minimal deaths until that point, brezzed like 3 times 1 fight, i felt so god damn stupid
harsh cedar
The common tactic seems to be to skip bridge. did you skip some other trash instead?
sick sentinel
it might just be the 30% extra damage being a little too much on some of those pulls
warm plinth
I’m not 100% sure which pull you’re talking about at this point.
sick sentinel
i use dratnos routes, for reference
distant crystal
you need 1 of the bridge bots on teeming week
harsh cedar
Hmm. if so I dont know either since he skips the bridge before last boss
sick sentinel
more or less, skew them to a tiny degree
warm plinth
The 3 spiders just hit really fuckin hard. And the pulse/rockets both do a lot of damage if you don’t get hit
Er
If you don’t avoid it
distant crystal
those start 1 shotting around 22 iirc
harsh cedar
Ohh if it was the spiders after 3rd boss it is probably the pulse or rocket yeah. They do 70-80% of my hp on a +16
warm plinth
Okay so not the spiders
Then idk what pull you’re talking about
The one after you fly in the shop?
harsh cedar
Are you talking about the pull after yóu land with the flying machine?
warm plinth
Ship
sick sentinel
no, the group of 3 gnomes 2 big robot patters
warm plinth
You don’t ever pull both robot patrols
harsh cedar
@warm plinth Both sentenses were correct, since you do actually also "fly in the shop" (workshop) 😛
warm plinth
Even on teeming you only need one
But if you pulled both that’s probably why you died
They do short out which is huge group wide damage
harsh cedar
Do you use the yellow orbs?
warm plinth
That pull should be made very easy by everyone just standing in the shields though
sick sentinel
i probably don't use them well no
warm plinth
Well even if you're not; as long as everyone else is it should be pretty tolerable. But not with two bots
sick sentinel
is it, i have to be in bubble with team and monsters out?
warm plinth
Monsters out, everyone else in
There are 3 shields so literally nothing is going to hurt you if you're inside all 3
You can even fully stack for quaking and it does nothing
harsh cedar
I usually stay outside tbh, and rest of team inside. But you can hide with the team. Even if there is a bombsquirl on the shield they dont do much dmg
Just be wary of when shields are about to run and at the same time as squirl and quaking xD
All stack->Shield goes down->quaking 0.2 sec later->dead xD
warm plinth
The damage on you is coming from Short Out x2 (since you pulled both bots), Giga-Wallop if people aren't kicking it, and the nanoslicer that the defenders do which is a stacking bleed
sick sentinel
i pull 1 pat robot, there is 2 on bridge what i meant, i bet u anything was bleed
warm plinth
What level key was this
sick sentinel
15
warm plinth
It's highly unlikely you were dying to the bleed on a 15 unless you were fighting the pack for 5 minutes or something
sick sentinel
i hate that damn squirrel
ashen cape
Is there an essence chart for prot warrior like there is in the paladin tanking discord? In the paladin tanking guide there's also a section for which essences are good for which instances in mythic plus.
novel ruin
@sick sentinel You can stun me after they start their cast and they go away
@ashen cape Read my guide (I’ll post in a few) but generally 20s and below VoP Major, 20s and above Lucid, 24s and above with vers amps Conflict Major
ashen cape
thanks homie, and I'll read your guide as soon as you post it ❤️
warm plinth
We don't change essences particularly often. It's usually just based on what level of keys you're doing
Although, doing TD with C&S major is fun as shit on any level tbh XD