Vs a mage
#protection
onyx vessel
barren torrent
When a war will be vs disc on 2c2
onyx vessel
Come here boi
barren torrent
sweet summit
@onyx vessel first boss KR spit gold isnt reflectable
sweet summit
Ooohh, yeah
onyx vessel
👍
sweet summit
I see
sweet summit
😳 
warped igloo
What's the best between 2 legs 475 (for pushing high key)
125 crit and 211 versa or
187 haste and 148 versa?
strong forum
Haste vers
warped igloo
let's say i want to push +30 key
strong forum
The limiting factor in +30 won't be tank survival
languid juniper
as far as you dont drop too much haste you fine
and yeah starting 25 + it's not tanking issues for the most part
warped igloo
is there a cap haste that you shouldn't go below for pushing 25+?
warped igloo
Ok so there is no hesitation i go for the haste low versa instead of high versa and low crit?
languid juniper
One piece doesnt matter, the overall gear does
e.g. i have 1 piece of gear that doesnt have haste (which is the sephra leg crit + vers). And i still have around 22% haste iirc
as soon as i dont have sub 20% haste i'm happy
strong forum
Yikes. I wouldn't want to drop below 30% haste
warped igloo
you guys would prefer having a 465 haste versa instead of 475 versa + crit/mastery?
languid juniper
465
warped igloo
you are full vers/haste i guess?
strong forum
Ya
Na 1 item is crit/vers
Rest is full haste/vers
With full haste/vers you'd end up at around 34% haste
languid juniper
small pp stats
strong forum
(with vita+shell)
languid juniper
(thoses are my stats)
warped igloo
so you don't have a haste versa legs to change your legs i guess?
warped igloo
Oof
languid juniper
to be honest even i had haste + vers on legs i'd go crit + vers
ionic fern
Why the Oof?:(
ionic fern
🤷
I'm not overly concerned about my stats currently.
I'm only doing like 20-23 keys so my stats don't really matter.
onyx vessel
Teach me how to play
warped igloo
as long as you don't get os it's ok :p
languid juniper
i was doing 23 KR yesterday, barely used shield block, i didnt even drop health
vers stacking is poo poo
onyx vessel
I need full vers or im a weak boi
ionic fern
The damage in 20-23 is nowhere near to one shot you.
All you have to do is play the class correctly.
mystic trellis
Im confused 10% vers is acceptable for m+?
onyx vessel
Shit i die anyways
undone sun
if you're doing lower than mid 20s, of course
languid juniper
Ppl where running 24 with sub 20% vers before corruption
warped igloo
i mean good luck against zul in KR in fortified week 😂
languid juniper
so why not lol ?
mystic trellis
This makes me happy then ❤️
warped igloo
you can play with 0 versa if you want but good luck doing key with random ppl
ionic fern
I think you are putting too much importance on Vers @warped igloo
warped igloo
as long as you feel confident with
onyx vessel
No with my guildies
languid juniper
on last push week the only dungeon i took dammage was KR and SOTS
onyx vessel
I die more then with pugs
strong forum
Once I started building vers I stopped playing a game, that's not a coincidence!!! 11!1
languid juniper
and sots is kick fiesta everytime
onyx vessel
Necrotic sucks tho
warped igloo
i feel more confident with full vers when the healer doesn't know how to play his class
languid juniper
play alliance 
onyx vessel
Full vers setup run dps trinkets
languid juniper
meld during a big pull ,and enjoy the chaos
onyx vessel
Torment fuckin pumps with vers build
ionic fern
Your survivability comes first and foremost from your class knowledge and dungeon knowledge.
If you PuG a 20+ key chances are your healer will be solid enough to deal with most things thrown at you.
languid juniper
i did xanesh once, we skipped it on reclean 😦
and i didnt get a single item on nzoth
onyx vessel
Was 200ish dps behind coral on st
languid juniper
blissful torrent
Any opinion about corruption for 22-24 range key? All verse corruption or 1-2 infernable truth?
hidden stirrup
Hey guyz, I read on the icy veins prot warrior guide that twilight devastation is the best corruption available but when I check the profile of prot warriors on raider.io they all stack the versatility one. Has the meta changed since the icyveins guide ? https://raider.io/characters/eu/ungoro/Schizufren?utm_source=discord&utm_medium=notification
haha @blissful torrent almost same question as mine 🙂
steep bone
damn you @sweet summit 
sweet summit
If u want TD, vers or a mix
hidden stirrup
Ty @sweet summit
sweet summit
steep bone
i legit wanted to 
but i couldn't find it and you were faster with answer xD
ionic fern
Aww man, i suck. I only got IT1 x1
steep bone
@brittle owl ?
brittle owl
haste makes you go fast duh
steep bone
^
XD
I got private msg with question if i wanna push 5k, then tons of irrevelant questions and 'do you have haste/vers gear with leech?' - no leech.
- nvm, goodluck tho
vers is no longer a thing for ppl, now it's full leech gear it seems 
steep bone
he was shadow priest tho 😦
steep bone
idd xD
steep bone
legit, told him 'i thought you wanted to push 5k not 7k where leech is actually good'
undone sun
ionic fern
Go away, lemme do my meme build.
undone sun
no
ionic fern
strong forum
Mwahi where can I invest
sweet summit
Mwahi key today?
ionic fern
Yes. I need one on my druid.
steep bone
I think he actually based his opinion on my r.io saved gear which is... That's not full versa with wrong waist/hands. And i don't have alchemy trinket. shit gunna be hardstuck in that sub 4k forever now
ionic fern
But if you get more than 10 necrotic stacks i won't heal you @sweet summit
sweet summit
Ok np
undone sun
ionic fern
When are you available?
sweet summit
In 30 minutes
steep bone
what ploos ur gonna do?
sweet summit
14/15/27
steep bone
14/15
@sweet summit
and you're not going panda+that versa flask/pot whatever it was+full vers+leech 1it?
sweet summit
No. Ineffable ravager
steep bone
damn
sweet summit
With dragon roar
sweet summit
👀
steep bone
anyone wanna laugh?
sweet summit
sure
languid juniper
sure do
strong forum
Waiting.
steep bone
sec still typing
languid juniper
💤
steep bone
should i censor disc name or no
sweet summit
ya
languid juniper
no 😦
steep bone
i mean it's just name without #0000
Here or #off-topic ?
actually here, it's kind of prot related
sweet summit
if its prot related here
steep bone
undone sun
steep bone
'open original' and click on picture and itll zoom in
warm plinth
What is this, a screenshot for ANTS?
sweet summit
lol
steep bone
https://imgur.com/3Glb0Y5 ok there lazyy
warm plinth
You're too slow; I already read it
Maybe he's right about those brain cells
jk jk
ily
sweet summit
ionic fern
@sweet summit i'm home in like 5m
warm plinth
Why don't you have full haste/vers/socketed/leech/indestructible/avoidance gear though
sweet summit
pog
warm plinth
Can't socket his gear and the SF can't count smfh
strong forum
I get where the Spriest is coming from, but asking for that 4-8 weeks before the season ends
steep bone
well 2 as i can get one anytime
strong forum
Ontop of then going on a parade of 'putting in effort' is kinda cringe
warm plinth
He's not putting much effort into pushing either if he's waiting til the very end of the expansion to do anything about it
strong forum
Yup
steep bone
imagine talking about effort and being just 4.2k this late into season - the priest is xD
sweet summit
mate my gear is giga scuffed, you probably have put more effort in than me
warm plinth
Woah woah woah
strong forum
I mean it's entirely possible to push from 3.8k go 5k in 1 week
warm plinth
Just because you're not higher doesn't mean you aren't putting in effort 😠
sweet summit
i went from 4.1 to 5.1 in one weak, yeah
strong forum
weak
sweet summit
i am :(
warm plinth
People have different skill levels. My group pushed hard and didn't gain that much score. Not everyone can be 5k players
steep bone
im pretty sure that guy just wanted to perform some weirdflex
warm plinth
Didn't help that we got stuck with 5 sieges by mid-week and kept getting them right back after changing them to something else 😢
summer lotus
kicking tanks for not having vers gear is one thing, but 3 sockets, thats a new record
steep bone
yeah that's understandable Ghash, thing is that dude legit had requirements for WF, WHILE HE LEGIT PLAYED SPRIEST thats not meta and he wanted meta stuff in his grp
brittle owl
sweet summit
spreist isnt bad tho
steep bone
its not
sweet summit
but its not firemage or bm
steep bone
but im getting brain damaged from such people
sad story, i meet them everyday in orgri ah, zuldazar, sometimes in lfg even
summer lotus
sometimes im glad that im not that good of a player to get messages from these flexers
brittle owl
getting high rating in the last patch of an expansion is akin to getting CE in that patch as well
warm plinth
I'm just a baby 3600 player
strong forum
I like to recite my rio page
brittle owl
it says mostly nothing
strong forum
brittle owl
only that you clutched the learning curve of the above average pugs
steep bone
well ofc
brittle owl
look at s1 in bfa
steep bone
last patch is easiest always as its so long and all of those catch ups are up
brittle owl
people were still frothing about bdk being no1 tank
and from an average tank they got floored
brittle owl
took an entire expansion+a patch
ionic fern
@sweet summit lets go.
brittle owl
for people to learn that grip isn't really THAT big in m+
steep bone
ngl bdks are using grip to engage pack from it's cast range just to casually run to pack he pulled mob from
steep bone
getting score as pwar is easiest shit ive done this xpac
brittle owl
SL gonna be amazing if p paladin keeps it's current powerlevel/design
steep bone
was giga hard to get into grps as mage
sweet summit
any EU lads wanna sacrifice a 15 key? :)
warm plinth
I heard they reverted the BDK armor nerf on beta which is pretty massive
brittle owl
they did
steep bone
i think i have something on lock lemme check
steep bone
@sweet summit ?
sweet summit
doable
steep bone
but ive not full socket & expedient only r5 expedient 😦
sweet summit
unlucky
warm plinth
Wow
brittle owl
lmao
steep bone
im just weekly capping on it 😦
steep bone
my cloak aint even 15 XD
warm plinth
Actual trash
steep bone
anyway @sweet summit inv if u wanmt
brittle owl
bin level player
steep bone
Waifuqt-kazzak
brittle owl
kazzak too
urban dome
someone link a dope TD tank build ❤️
steep bone
bin level player
@brittle owl
XDDDDDDDDDDDD laughed
brittle owl
actual scum of the earth
urban dome
por favor
warm plinth
Buy TD, put on gear, BOOM TD build
steep bone
^
urban dome
but haste
brittle owl
what haste
urban dome
where when
steep bone
put TD on piece you're not gonna replace any soon 500IQ
warm plinth
You get haste regardless of what build you're running. ilevel>haste
warm plinth
Kek
urban dome
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
warm plinth
Do you have more haste on your warrior than your lock right now Waifu
urban dome
1 or 2 td corruptions
blissful torrent
Would you sacrifice haste for +leech?
warm plinth
No
brittle owl
no
urban dome
td2 x2?
warm plinth
TD1 is meh to buy. Costs more per corruption than the other two ranks
urban dome
orrrrr td2 then stack them haste bois
languid juniper
leach useless until 27+ pepega
sweet summit
🤔
warm plinth
Expedient stacking is not a thing
warm plinth
Well...it's not.
sweet summit
wait what
warm plinth
Although that does explain why people are doing it
urban dome
then what de fook do we do
brittle owl
what keys you doing buddy
warm plinth
You either stack TD if you're doing sub-23ish keys or you stack versatile if you're pushing past that
urban dome
<20
warm plinth
Always good to have a an IT1 or two as well
urban dome
td and the it?
brittle owl
ya
urban dome
love you guys
warm plinth
I run TD6 and 2x IT1 right now
summer lotus
TD and IT1 filler
urban dome
how tf are you running 6 td's
summer lotus
max cloak res
sweet summit
no, haste owns
warm plinth
haste is great; you just don't corrupt for it
sweet summit
but expedient doesnt own too hard
sweet summit
its alright, good filler
warm plinth
@mellow patio 👀 Panda mog
urban dome
ya idk why i didnt ask this chat earlier instead of google reddit and other guides
you make me smile bigger then the bulldog
warm plinth
I'm a bit baffled that wowhead says to stack expedient
urban dome
and icey
sweet summit
icy veins does not say that
warm plinth
Icy-veins doesn't even mention expedient 🤔
sweet summit
The best corruption for the majority of situations is still Twilight Devastation Icon Twilight Devastation. The damage this provides in both AoE and ST will make up a huge part of your overall DPS. Stacking this multiple times is preferable as long as you can survive the Corruption negative effects.
Other decent options to buy as fillers would be Expedient Icon Expedient and Ineffable Truth Icon Ineffable Truth. Expedient will provide you with some extra haste to reduce the CD of some of your most important abilities. Ineffable Truth increases your CD reduction by X% but it is not as consistent as Expedient due to its proc nature. However Ineffable Truth Rank 1 only gives you 12 corruption so this is definitely still a good effect to have.
warm plinth
Oh it says as a filler
I missed that part
Definitely doesn't say to stack it though
steep bone
I mean on one of top warrior streamer discords there's mod telling newbies to go with 465 leech weapon over 475 for 23s
ionic fern
?
warm plinth
Mwahi stop telling people to stack expedient smh
urban dome
well i mean it kinda does,, it says do a td then stack it as a filler
warm plinth
😂
sweet summit
filler =/= stack
warm plinth
It literally never says the words "stack expedient"
You need to ready it a bit more thoroughly
warm plinth
It says stacking TD is preferable, and it says stacking versatile is good if you're having trouble surviving. Nowhere does it say stack expedient
urban dome
what do you think people will do when they get a td oh well it talks about expedient but w/e
anywhoo
warm plinth
Idk man, it's written pretty clearly. We can't control the amount of effort folks put into reading the guide
brittle owl
especially when people prefer to do dis
because their brain like dis .
our brain more like dis O
ionic fern
I can make it a bit clearer i guess with the wording to actually STACK TD. I'll look into it a bit later.
warm plinth
It took me longer than I care to admit to even realize the bottom one wasn't a horse
steep bone
@sweet summit where's 
ineffable
idle idol
is ghost elixir the one everyone is using for versa?
warm plinth
Yeah
sweet summit
check now
warm plinth
Idk if I'd say everyone, but the folks who are using it are using that :p
idle idol
can u still have battle and guardian elixirs up at same time?
warm plinth
Yeah
strong forum
👩🦲
ionic fern
Next time Erga tries to give anyone advice remember this:
idle idol
its not toxic if its true
honest plinth
so thats why your TC is jus t23% f overall dmg haha
strong forum
Big ravager dmg
crude notch
sweet summit
frosty wren
@sweet summit im still searching for your td damage 👀
strong forum
Silly you, scuffed SL build doesn't have TD
sweet summit
gotta pad 😎
frosty wren
@strong forum damnit u got me
mellow patio
sweet summit
Eyir socks
gilded tendonBOT
🧦
meager raft
Hi i have shield of il'gy 465 and shield of mechagon 475 what's better
novel ruin
Ilvl for shield and wraps
steep bone
eyir rocks
gilded tendonBOT
thank u @steep bone
sullen valve
steep bone
ilvl>stats, if same ilvl then stats
novel ruin
Yup
meager raft
Okok thx
languid juniper
mechagon shield smh peepocry
meager raft
smh ?
steep bone
mecha shield is garbo
steep bone
but still better than any other shield thats lower ilvl
sweet summit
its an ilvl upgrtade, you take it
novel ruin
Ilvl upgrade
Is all that matters for weapons and shields
If equal ilvl you go with stats
meager raft
You can tell me why for understand
chilly brook
You want to know why you go ilvl or why that shield is trash?
sweet summit
block value, armor and mainstat
chilly brook
That shield is trash because the proc is bad and only does damage when absorb is up which is one melee
Erga covered why you go ilvl
steep bone
So basically, what is important on shield is Block value main stat, the higher ilvl shield is the more block it has. Mechagon shield is trash because it has no stats but that's all. You still go for highest ilvl shield
we confused that guy so hard
languid juniper
smh = somehow
chilly brook
Well you got an answer for both
languid juniper
or shake my head
sweet summit
That shield is trash because the proc is bad and only does damage when absorb is up which is one melee
block value, armor and mainstat
languid juniper
4head
sweet summit
weapon dps also contributes to bigger IP, ye?
chilly brook
Something like that
meager raft
Thx all
worldly flint
Wait shields exist in this game? I’ve only ever received one and it was the mech one 😦 feels bad man
sweet summit
no
chilly brook
TD go brrrrrr
steep bone
just play bdk
chilly brook
Part of me really just wants to take a break until SL
ionic fern
Do it.
chilly brook
The other part of me is like "but nzoth"
sweet summit
did u get your CE?
chilly brook
Nah
sweet summit
get that first
chilly brook
Week 2 starts tomorrow
steep bone
just get CE
sweet summit
i know you can
chilly brook
Well I'm not worried about my end :]
Just gotta get everyone else on the same page of do your job
For the most part it's the physical realm that seems to be the bottle neck atm
sweet summit
did you get to psychus 2?
sweet summit
oh, thats where the fun begins
at least it was for us
chilly brook
We pulled a dps from psychus 1 to help physical realm
But it's not like it was a big problem doing so anyways since I'm anywhere from like 140-300k during psychus 1 depending on my TD procs
steep bone
are people sure about prio targets and usage of cds?
chilly brook
I would hope so I'm staying out of that stuff, but they just posted a huge google spreadsheet
Clarifying a lot of that stuff
Also the logs on this fight I feel are a pain to read through
steep bone
worst part about progressing nzoth is fight lenght, like 12mins ;_;
sick sentinel
wtb haste ring tomorrow
brittle owl
they don't really need to pump
chilly brook
Facts maelkenar
brittle owl
they just gotta sort their cds
sick sentinel
already have 2 haste rings, but no 475 rings
chilly brook
The choreography part
brittle owl
it's one of the more interesting bosses to allocate healing cd's, depending on comp
sweet summit
calling nzoth interesting 
chilly brook
Idk what people are dying to lmao I'm just focused on making sure people don't die because of psychus
brittle owl
it's fun for healers until you reach the secret phase first time
steep bone
one of most powerful old gods got some small patch at end of expansion with absolute shit cinematic with fully scripted fight that's not even enjoyable
sick sentinel
i still haven't defeated n'zoth on any difficulty and i have a 471 huntard and 477 prot warrior
brittle owl
people generally die to standing in shit on nzoth
sick sentinel
not much interest in raiding outside of the 2 haste trinkets
steep bone
basically avoidable stuff
brittle owl
goddammit another censor bot
steep bone
before sl get curve atleast so youll get mount thats gonna be not obtainable anymore
chilly brook
Don't make me more sad about how disappointing nzoth is
brittle owl
was saying they either stand in ketchup or in psychoph@g swirlies
steep bone
i mean yogi
brittle owl
you're gonna have alotta fun first few nights in p2
chilly brook
@sick sentinel ez af on heroic tbh
steep bone
but ngl, we've pepegas in guild hard inting and getting mced or trolling paranoia
brittle owl
people not knowing where to stand
sick sentinel
i got carried through AOTC and glory in EP so i'm happy with that
chilly brook
I've basically decided I'm gonna keep my mic muted during nzoth prog unless I need to communicate something
sick sentinel
i got one aotc, and all +15's defeated in time, and i only came back at the start of 8.0 with very basic knowledge of game and as clicker tank.
steep bone
only moments when im talking on nzoth is when we're taunting those pack of two dudes in p2 (or whatever phase that is), toilet phase and sometimes calling for some cd but at this point im not even in need of shield wall
chilly brook
I just apparently annoyed 2 people on Thursday
brittle owl
thotts yes
steep bone
best during progression was when salty dps during grip were whispering me that im draining their sanity, not like i didn't say 10 times to dps/cc neurons so i have space
chilly brook
Meanwhile kinda thinking "you'd be bragging if you were hitting psychus for 8 million and had 300k dps"
steep bone
legion even WoD (if it had more content) was better than BfA don't @ me
sick sentinel
to be honest
steep bone
legion was great after ToV
chilly brook
Bfa dungeons are meh
steep bone
first tier was pepega
sweet summit
whats wrong with BFA dungeons? except Zul
steep bone
Bfa dungeons are mwh
@chilly brook especially still bugged TD
we didn't get any void themed dungeon tho
chilly brook
@sweet summit so Legion dungeons were on one end of the extreme trash that had 0 to worry about pretty much and bosses were the only challenge. BFA is the opposite end of the extreme, almost every pack has SOMETHING.
steep bone
like seat of triumvitae
sick sentinel
i got to 471 r15 cloak on my hunter, and i got into a normal nyalotha group (first month nya opened) and we did all the bosses, and i just did dps and got carried to n'zoth, and we tried on him like 3 or 4 times, group fell apart, and i said okay i'll wait, but after 2-5 hours i had to leave again.
steep bone
and legion dungeons were like get affli lock with corruption ring > kite > kite > kite >kite >kill
sick sentinel
i tried it again same toon a week or 2 later just n'zoth, couldn't do it, but i was doing 100k dps apparently, not even sure i was on right target
chilly brook
Idk I think theres value in having "downtime"
sick sentinel
so i felt like massive idiot and just gave up
chilly brook
Its the same thing with Battle Royale modes
Everyone wants constant action all the time but I think that actually detracts from the game mode and the way it puts you on edge
sick sentinel
having downtime is good and natural, it's like the sun and moon, imagine if no moon at night?
chilly brook
It just helps put the things that are higher octane into perspective and let's you appreciate it
steep bone
imagine that nyalotha tier was actually something more than reused areas with flying dildos slowing you down from 100y range, like nyalotha as a city where you're doing some dailies, new map and such ;_;
chilly brook
Nyalotha in general was a disappointment
steep bone
ye
chilly brook
The fact it was only a raid zone...
steep bone
its like hellfire citadel in wod xD
chilly brook
Like bruh
steep bone
make raid zone with potential of cool old gods city...
brittle owl
raden was cool
chilly brook
It's supposed to be huge and it's only a raid zone...
brittle owl
but that's kinda it
chilly brook
Well the raid was fine
steep bone
holy shit doing nyalotha early on... you legit spent more time clearing trash than on bosses
sick sentinel
i'm more interested in beating Command & Conquer:Tib Dawn nod missions
chilly brook
And ye way too much trash
steep bone
you probs spend 1h alone on trash
brittle owl
i can appreciate the novelty of drest
steep bone
well 40min atleast
brittle owl
just a failed experiment doe
sick sentinel
i see tons of dps using drest
steep bone
drest could be dungeon boss
brittle owl
drestin the first few weeks was weird
steep bone
its boring af fight
sick sentinel
tendies?
steep bone
tbh i don't get this raid at all, all bosses feels like HC
i mean HC feels like its missing something
chilly brook
Raden is definitely my favorite fight of the raid
sweet summit
i dont like ra-den for one reason
sick sentinel
praying for a ring or trinket tomorrow from that box
steep bone
i like watching people failing xanesh
chilly brook
Oh also forgot xanesh can die in a hole
steep bone
^ SAME (to erga)
chilly brook
Needs to die
sick sentinel
i keep screwing up on the purple lines boss
chilly brook
Like seriously f that boss
chilly brook
@sweet summit lemme guess, you top yourself off as fury during the debuff
chilly brook
Lol
steep bone
chilly brook
Just stand in the swirly ez clap
sweet summit
i did that on one of the kills
sweet summit
but i died from the damage
chilly brook
1 shot baby
sweet summit
im just bad at the game :(
steep bone
this mechanic reminds me of healer's mage tower challenge from legion while you were overgearing it slightly
was so yikes to keep npcs at mid health with hots or heals basically oneshoting them to full
steep bone
sweet summit
am mythic raider tank too
steep bone
i need moar gear to get TD5 😦
sweet summit
:^)
novel ruin
There aren’t a lot of Prot warrior parses 😮
novel ruin
If I raid tanked I prob would wipe the raid all day
sweet summit
ahahaha
novel ruin
80% is good
steep bone
I'm trash
@chilly brook
Idd you play vdh
sweet summit
never enough 
sweet summit
wtf is a vision
novel ruin
Haven’t seen a Nzoth sword nor trinket
chilly brook
Wtf is vengeance damage without corruption
novel ruin
I did get cara hands with a socket this week though
chilly brook
Started running TD 7 this week
novel ruin
700ish dps upgrade once strikethrough comes back
sweet summit
laughs in DH and 475 Geti
novel ruin
I only have 470 geti
sweet summit
novel ruin
That I don’t even use
steep bone
cries in 465 geti
novel ruin
I’ve gotten 3 475 Jeweled Sharks from box
steep bone
but my geti has like 122 leech \o/
novel ruin
Thanks blizz
steep bone
biggest bait of blizz
novel ruin
For the damn haste/vers
sweet summit
is better than the one in #698541448588427274
steep bone
whats up?
sweet summit
clowns doing clown things
steep bone
explain
sweet summit
its too much to explain
steep bone
tldr
novel ruin
Getting rid of corruption will be so nice
sweet summit
fury doesnt feel good for me so you cant enjoy it
steep bone
Oh that kind of argument
sweet summit
kinda, yeah
sweet summit
novel ruin
Spell reflecttttt
misty cliff
Looking for a simple teeming atal dazar route. Anyone know where I can find one? One that doesnt require anyone meld pulling or anything since im just pugging. Will prob be a +10 or so. New to tanking.
sweet summit
sec ill make one
steep bone
I posted one earlier today, sec
misty cliff
All the ones I see either require having someone pull a pack off or invis potting or just things that I dont wanna try to corrdinate in pugs.
steep bone
but you still want one dps to pull mid pack away, you don't want that pack especially on low key with pepegas
misty cliff
Yeah, but thats tough to coordinate on a low group. Prob just gonna cause a wipe or something.
steep bone
not rly, just tell one dps to mount up, bodypull that pack and run away to entrance with it, meanwhile rest can enter obelisk
misty cliff
And there is no way around that?
steep bone
there is, kill that pack instead
but its two charging dinos, lots of jumpy saurids and shooting lady, you want to snap that pack and probs you won't
misty cliff
So, they pull it to the dung entrance and then what?
steep bone
dw, most of people even on +10 know how to pull that pack away
misty cliff
Do the mobs deaggro?
chilly brook
I mean I like that middle pack
steep bone
no you're already in pillar doing tank buster
sweet summit
pmuch
misty cliff
I mean, what does the dps with the pack do once he pulls them to the entrance.
steep bone
and guy who pulled it away can either die, meld, feing death or any ability that drops aggro and puts him out of combat and he's just entering that pillar realm from other teleport
chilly brook
And it's a no go on bursting
chilly brook
Or necrotic
steep bone
hunter mage rogue can do it without dying (im not sure about shadowmeld)
chilly brook
And also probably a no go on enraging unless you got someone with half a brain who has soothe
steep bone
^
chilly brook
Oh and no go on bolstering for sure
misty cliff
Really hate relying on other people to do anything at that level.
chilly brook
So basically what I'm saying is you dont do middle pack often
steep bone
and with pugs, especially pugs on low levels you probs want to avoid that pack even more
misty cliff
Other than that one thing is there anything else?
steep bone
no
you can do one obelisk with boss the one thats on the left from volkaal but that requires shroud or someone to pull pack away
misty cliff
I wouldnt mind that if it wasnt my first time tanking in forever.
steep bone
well then follow my link
there are two routes
one with all obelisks done b4 last boss and one with taking one with last boss
i think i had notes there too
misty cliff
Yeah i got them saved, thank you.
steep bone
you can check what Erga has for you aswell
misty cliff
Just worried. Gonna be my first time tanking this xpac.
misty cliff
I asked a while ago and people kept saying do 10s
I was thinking lower.
But I was asking for routes for lower keys and people just said go for 10s.
steep bone
keys sub10 are different than 10 and higher since you've no obelisks in sub10
sweet summit
oh i stopped making one since u had one
steep bone
well mine is pretty basic one
misty cliff
I agree, I thought I should try lower before going into it at that level.
But people insisted it was okay.
steep bone
i mean 10 is easy anyway
misty cliff
And I cant find routes for anything without obelisks.
sweet summit
if you feel like you're not ready for a +10, then thats fine
misty cliff
If someone could find some that would be awesome.
steep bone
well then its gonna be
sweet summit
i could make some routes for you, if youd like some without obelisks
misty cliff
That would be awesome Erga.
sweet summit
all dungeons?
misty cliff
Would hate to ask for that much.
sweet summit
too late
misty cliff
Let me see whats the best gear from.
steep bone
there's not much to change
ilvl>stats remember
if you dont have weap/shield then prio those
misty cliff
Just something really simple, one pack at a time ideally. To just get some confidence before going further.
I dont have issues on my main. Doing 15-17s. But I know tanking is much different.
steep bone
wait so you have knowledge of dungeons
tropic nexus
what is the best enchant for wep?
sweet summit
force multi
misty cliff
But important mechanics etc, yeah im okay. Still not sure how to tank certain bosses and such tho.
Would look at a guide before doing it.
Having some routes would be awesome to start with.
sweet summit
best guide is experience, no meme
steep bone
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-2s5zQIkUKPgxPC4dXMrVQ @misty cliff check his keys titled 'NerfTank PUG Keys', he's doing low-ish keys with commentary on everything he's doing and why
and what erga said
steep bone
videos are one thing but experience is another
misty cliff
Yeah I dont see myself doing anything higher than a 15 or maybe 16 before the season ends tbh.
i see a few on there though.
steep bone
once you get gear, there's not much of a difference between 15 and 20
tank wise atleast
sweet summit
https://pastebin.com/mHmLW2C9 here's a simple AD route, no obelisks
split the pulls up for you
misty cliff
Thanks!
How many more do you feel like doing? I could see what might be best for me.
sweet summit
https://pastebin.com/re9TiZBR Freehold
misty cliff
TD is vers/mast shield and crit/mast OH
onehand
@sweet summit TY TYTYYTYTY
I appreciate the kindness. Means a lot.
misty cliff
These might be worth pinning for someone else as well.
If you want to do a teeming for atal and maybe one more so i can practice this week that would be cool.
But no need to do 2 for every one, thats too much.
sweet summit
sure, just let me know what dungeons you want teeming in
misty cliff
Let me check drops.
steep bone
lots of people are using Dratnos routes for keys https://raider.io/news?user=Dratnos
misty cliff
Or if you have recommendations im open to anything. All i know is that atal drops great loot.
steep bone
he's making them on weekly basis
sweet summit
https://pastebin.com/PQ6p1H46 shrine is a bit tricky, there is a lot of trash. but you should be fine 
uhhh, horde or alliance siege @misty cliff
misty cliff
Yeah ive seen those. Just none for below +10 and i thought there was maybe a simpler route.
Horde. 🙂
sweet summit
gotcha
misty cliff
Yeah motherlode has a crit/haste shield and a onehander thats crit/mastery, so i guess ill try for a teeming one on that one as well.
misty cliff
Any recommendations on dungeons to run for the best loot drops?
Ill pick one more. Got atal/ML so far.
sweet summit
atal tbh
modern brook
If you dont have a shield at 465 yet just run atal until you do
safest dungeon to be on prot spec for
almost all loot drops are usable
sweet summit
https://pastebin.com/CCSQRxBs Temple, a lot of trash to kill. but i believe in you
modern brook
Oh big fan of this upgrade
misty cliff
I guess ill try waycrest manor, so that I can try for the ring.
So, atal/ML/WM for the 3 teeming ones.
sweet summit
https://pastebin.com/ffARVdYL Motherlode - a bit overcount so you're fine if someone stops the jockeys from going into the big mechs :D
https://pastebin.com/32dgJDBR Underrot
misty cliff
Still here, saving them all.
sweet summit
https://pastebin.com/H5KxrTS1 Tol Dagor
sick sentinel
siege is usually easy
only time you might have trouble is 3rd boss (trash and boss)
ionic fern
@sweet summit whose key did we do before?
sweet summit
@steep bone
ionic fern
What key did it end up as?
sweet summit
idk
trail tapir
anyone know of a group or discord for 20tank nyalotha?
sweet summit
no clue
modern brook
Wait how is 3rd boss the haed boss in siege
sweet summit
what
modern brook
only time you might have trouble is 3rd boss (trash and boss)
This
sweet summit
i have trouble on ltierally every otehr boss lol
warm plinth
3rd boss trash maybe, but not 3rd boss haha
sweet summit
yeah
ionic fern
Aight, it's official. UR is the hardest +16 key ever with PuG's.
obtuse yoke
UR pug tyran is terrifying
warm plinth
Tyrannical Cragmaw and Sporecaller are fun in pugs wdym
hushed cobalt
just face charge to the center of the room and it'll all be over soon
warm plinth
We did a 23 UR for our weekly no leaver this week and we were like ok if we get past Cragmaw, we're fine
1-shot Cragmaw (unusual for us on tyrannical) and then proceeded to wipe like 4 times on Sporecaller (also unusual for us on any UR key)
novel ruin
Sporecaller is harder than Cragmaw any week
strong forum
factually incorrect
warm plinth
Sporecaller is a mechanics fight. Cragmaw is a healing intensive fight
If you can do mechanics, sporecaller should be easier
cold dragon
with people running all over the place limiting any sort of effective aoe healing
warm plinth
Since the only damage he does is festering harvest
cold dragon
plus coordinating tick stomping...in a pug that is just a mess
cold dragon
one spell at at time
warm plinth
Spirit Link would be godlike for it if people didn't have to spread
strong forum
For 1-2 ticks for slt
Next one is ascendance
Next one is personals and healthstones
Next one is death
Shaman needs classes in high keys that take like 0 dmg
warm plinth
Gotcha
So you would need speedy people too, or people would have to speed pot on the SLT one
To get all the ticks in time
strong forum
Smth like that
Need to coordinate who takes which part of the thing
But if you miss some ticks it's very easy to handle
Cuz you got rocky boi to take care of them, he doesn't get the debuffs
warm plinth
Yeah that's true
Just sounds awful in general though. Chain Heal is like...horrible lol
For any kind of spread out encounter
vocal skiff
I was blasting a 19 junkyard, and then we wiped twice to trogg king
key dead
I know, how can someone wipe there
lol
strong forum
Ya he can be worrysome on tyr
vocal skiff
people were claiming that they were not getting the debuff from charged smash
so necrotic built up
strong forum
Well charged smash has a relatively small range, so they could've just sucked
sharp night
king is annoying anyway
even with charged smash you can sometimes just not get resets
warm plinth
Yeah I had one JY I did this week on my war and we had lust and everything was fine and I just could not get a fucking reset
Then 2nd attempt we didn't have lust, still doing everything fine, and was getting natural resets out the ass
warm plinth
Yeah
quasi idol
Sort of a tank v tank question
But Prot Warr vs Blood going into Shadowlands? How is warrior looking?
I'm not in the beta, sadly, and I can only scour WoWhead so much.
vocal skiff
jamming
strong forum
Pretty meh, but tanks haven't been touched yet
In a few weeks/months and actual SL launch there's more of a definite answer
But rn everything is up in the air besides bdk being quite strong
quasi idol
Alright. Thank you.
I'm juggling what I want to main in SL. I mained Warrior for BfA
But I'm sort of bored with it.
I was an Spriest before BfA but with the butchering it received in secondary stats I shelfed it. (Ironically SL is making Shadow look very tasty.)
vocal skiff
Hey folks, any tips for positioning 2nd boss in workshop
I have the weak aura
but it's a 50% chance that I get it right
warm plinth
I have a tip for you
vocal skiff
And sometimes I end up dead because healer doesn't dispel me right away and then I los him
warm plinth
Do you have a hunter, or is leap going off?
vocal skiff
leap is going off
warm plinth
So you want to position yourself between the long edge of the box (so like edge of the box is here ------- you) and the boss. Move so you're at the corner of the box, then backpedal tiny bits until his shoulder is even with the corner (ish, doesn't have to be perfect). You don't want to take full steps once he's next to the box because he likes to overmove like an asshole
His angle doesn't have to be perfect either; it's more lenient than it looks/seems but he can fuck you over by moving a lot when you move a little. Sometimes it's luck of the draw
vocal skiff
Another question: can you get barreled on 2nd boss of FH as a tank
fickle raft
Devastator or booming voice for t90?
warm plinth
You can if you stand in the way of the barrel and its intended target @vocal skiff
vocal skiff
Good to know
warm plinth
@fickle raft Booming Voice
fickle raft
Should clarify, for raids
bc i run devastator right now with expedient stack and ITF and my shield slam is basically 100% never on cooldown so its huge dps, i dont really tank keys much
stacking Brace for impact
tame garden
mellow patio
Expedient stack 🤮
steep bone
Hellow frens
sweet summit
onyx vessel
undone sun
modern brook
i know im late to this but my god does ie1x2 feel amazing in avatar
novel ruin
ayee
graceful jolt
unstable flames or lifespeed? both seem to be top tier
which do you prefer
OR Blood Siphon
I guess I have a choice of all 3
graceful jolt
lol
I do already have UF on another piece, so not sure if capitalizing on that would be better, but I too was thinking lifespeed since haste> all (other than ilvl)
steep bone
id sim it
graceful jolt
I can sim it, definitely, just wasn't sure if I should be aiming for damage or a little bit more survivability
thank you
ionic fern
Do you actually NEED the survivabilitiy?
undone sun
do you
ionic fern
Never.
undone sun
okay leech
undone sun
ionic fern
So i can solo stuff after my healer inevitably dies.
graceful jolt
lol
undone sun
still falls under the category of defense 🙂
graceful jolt
I was thinking the UF (crit gives a bit of parry as well) dps/survivability.
but yeah I'm simming it
ionic fern
Tbf, i'm only down to 14% leech now since i put back on some TD pieces. 😦