Isn’t a full heroic clear like 200k now?
@mellow patio
175k on Nova
#protection
warm plinth
Found the nova advertiser 😏
novel ruin
Switch servers?
sweet summit
just buy wowtokens :^)
sweet summit
can i have your $ 😳
still pagoda
Switch servers?
Why would i when it's the second biggest EU horde hub bro
@novel ruin
just buy wowtokens :^)
@sweet summit
Did you know that wowtokens cost three times the monthly sub for RU accounts?
novel ruin
Find better guild that does the work for you. Show up during heroic/mythic/Jaina sales and profit
still pagoda
even despite playing on EU, my account is still RU
mellow patio
NA rules 
warm plinth
idk what that means
toxic remnant
So you pay like 6 bucks for your month tho?
warm plinth
still pagoda
So you pay like 6 bucks for your month tho?
@toxic remnant 7,46 USD
still pagoda
yeah
toxic remnant
And if you buy a token with gold and redeem it for balance it gives you the sub cost amount?
still pagoda
_
После того как вы купили жетон WoW на аукционе, вы можете добавить один месяц игрового времени, нажав на жетон в ваших сумках правой кнопкой мыши. Альтернативно, вы можете использовать его для добавления 550 рублей / 13 евро / 10 фунтов на Кошелек Blizzard._
yes
distant crystal
da
sweet summit
still pagoda
550 рублей / 13 евро / 10 фунтов
550 rubles or 13 Euro or 10 English pounds
depending on which region your bnet account was registered in
rubles in my case
onyx vessel
novel ruin
GRATZ
limpid pawn
Raid leader actually listened and swapped out 2 under performers
Finally we had a full 20 going into secret phase. We “made it out” of secret phase twice and killed it
distant crystal
nice
sweet summit
grats mate!
limpid pawn
It was so obvious we were being held back by one really bad healer and one really bad hunter
novel ruin
asking the real questions
limpid pawn
Especially the healer
distant crystal
our gm got a leech shell last night
limpid pawn
Yeah got LPS and shoulders on my brewmaster
limpid pawn
Is prot feeling bad in beta
novel ruin
@civic rover do you have beta?
novel ruin
rip
civic rover
ptr is kinda fun though
but nothing hits hard enough to test defensive stuff
and ptr is just a hot mess
@limpid pawn they basically added like three new buttons for damage and changed around the talents.
limpid pawn
Ok I’m gonna check it out
sweet summit
only one of the three new damage buttons are worth having keybinds for
civic rover
is it whirlwind
sweet summit
execute
civic rover
yeah but the animation is satisfying af
tbh im just using ptr to check out allied races im too lazy to unlock like kul tiran
sweet summit
alliance 👀
sweet summit
monk 
novel ruin
who is gonna run condemn over spear 😮
onyx vessel
undone sun
did the shadowlands channel die or something
novel ruin
yes it did
onyx vessel
that is reserved for catjam
undone sun
novel ruin
everything in SL is dead...
onyx vessel
^
onyx vessel
novel ruin
onyx vessel
join us
undone sun
no nitro gang
novel ruin
Why would i spend money on discord?
onyx vessel
ive been a nitro booster since nov 2019
warm plinth
To support something you find useful?
sweet summit
onyx vessel
novel ruin
extra emotes are super useful to my life
warm plinth
I was referring to Discord, not the emotes 🤔
onyx vessel
emotes are fun but i do it too support discord
civic rover
spending money on something thats free 😩
novel ruin
but da content
novel ruin
plus 16mil sims instead of 1mil
onyx vessel
only 5.5 for me
novel ruin
though i dont use it veryu often since progress is over
but once SL drops, be using it everyday
civic rover
no one buys nitro because they "like the product" they buy nitro so they can use cat emotes
onyx vessel
pepe emotes to troll my guildies
civic rover
but the cat emotes are cute so that's understandable
onyx vessel
you got me
novel ruin
are you sure its a cat?
sweet summit
onyx vessel
mellow patio
Did someone say cat emotes
still pagoda
mellow patio
wind spade
Hey guys, how mcuh haste should I aim for for running M+? Imtypically doing around the 15 level. Cheers
warm plinth
The most you can get without dropping ilevel
undone sun
there aren't any %'s to worry about
wind spade
Ah OK
strong forum
steep bone
LULW
distant crystal
steep bone
pog
sweet summit
😳
toxic gyro
Look it up from the bottom, it has a butthole 😈
distant crystal
that's a cloaca
strong forum
thats a beak
sweet summit
sweet summit
novel ruin
warm plinth
The music is so catchy
uneven fern
475 vial of animated blood
445 Vita
460 humming black dragonscale
Which should I use?
For M+ mainly
warm plinth
vita+scale or vita+vial.
strong forum
vita+scale
warm plinth
Imagine using a 445 rezan and then you get a 465 vial but you don't wanna so you stubbornly continue using the rezan, and then you get a 475 vial from chest
strong forum
i got jes howler this week from chest
vial last week
and gore block before that
all with a socket
civic rover
i've gotten platinum plating twice past 4 chests
strong forum
looting weekly chest as prot
civic rover
i need shield mogs
warm plinth
I'm using 475 block/475 vial now
Feelsbad
Need to pug heroic ra-den and get a vita then I'll be happy
civic rover
imagine having no haste trinkets
sweet summit
Alch+shell gang 🐒
distant crystal
i run 460s vita 475s scale
and sometimes swap in the 475s fangs
or 470 shell if i'm trying to not grief so much
novel ruin
imagine using nzoth trinket in 26s @sweet summit 😛
novel ruin
its okay, you have surpassed me in the IO so you now lead the gospel
sweet summit
novel ruin
What have i created?? 😮
sweet summit
Something good
strong forum
brittle owl
strong forum
Forsaken tunes like, the quick brown fox by the big black?
mellow patio
I will follow you wherever you go
I will join the priest discord just to spread the message of catjam
novel ruin
We will purge this wickedness from your veins
brittle owl
🚪
mellow patio
🍓
novel ruin
sweet summit
👉
ionic fern
Still going strong i see.
novel ruin
Sadly
warm marlin
sullen valve
We are strong because you're here mwahi
buoyant scroll
crystal glade
Hey ya'll
novel ruin
Oi
buoyant scroll
hi
steep bone
onyx vessel
nah whos gonna be playing prot in prepatch
still pagoda
it will go away soon
mellow patio
Prepatch next month bet
steep bone
two months
junior horizon
which is better? 475 vial or 460 socketed wrathion trinket
civic rover
wrath trinket probably
junior horizon
even for M+?
junior horizon
and the 455 alchemist stone would be better than vial as well?
novel ruin
Are you vers stacking?
If not, then use the vial
No reason to use stone without vers amps
junior horizon
its only worth vers stacking at like 20+ right?
vocal skiff
Question, folks, in Waycrest: I usually drag the initial obelisk to sisters, no matter what. However, when it's top right, there are big complications, especially with necrotic, with people falling behind and I accidentally snap the mini boss and get wrecked. At the same time, I don't really trust dps to damage slowly through the whole route and not kill it in a really bad spot
so I guess my question is, how do you approach this
novel ruin
@junior horizon 24s
undone sun
mid 20s is when people tend to learn towards verse
toxic gyro
More like 23-25 depends on the group
novel ruin
@junior horizon https://docs.google.com/document/d/1K1dqat0WwBJ7faXu71DWyCDRzx5Lf0o22LonVOcji_U/edit#heading=h.rnz5besh20e1
junior horizon
okay so is my stat prio still vers-haste even if im not stacking vers corruption?
still pagoda
vers is really meh if you're not taking enough damage to warrant it
junior horizon
ok thanks
still pagoda
i.e. if you are not doing mid-20 keys
novel ruin
@vocal skiff If you get top right, you dont have to drag to sisters. You could drag to CY and use first lust sometime there then do 2nd lust on Witches by taking courtyard ob there (if top right, will still have to go upstairs to reach it)
junior horizon
damn okay i fucked up and put an inneffible on the wrong item then
novel ruin
The only wrong item to put ineffeable on is one you wont have for a long time
junior horizon
well i put them on haste vers gloves instead of haste crit
novel ruin
a little vers wont hurt you
I wouldnt worry about it too much
You have 1-2months left of it mattering then its gone
vocal skiff
what would you pull in the courtyard to warrant a lust in a tyrannical week? all but the matron?
novel ruin
Do matron with boss
junior horizon
yeah true. Thanks @novel ruin
novel ruin
lust that
novel ruin
Just do Matron with Goliath, lust that
vocal skiff
doing 18-20s right now
would you also put the obelisk in the courtyard if you get bottom right
novel ruin
Just make sure to clear stacks after Matron is dead
You could depending on group
I usually go to witches if top left or bottom right
then courtyard with top right
still pagoda
@toxic gyro matron doesn't add many stacks
toxic gyro
I guess
south holly
u guys running conflict major this week?
still pagoda
even on 50+ stacks on him
novel ruin
Its also pretty efficient because she hurts but goliath doesnt. Then goliath hurts when she dies so you clear
still pagoda
u guys running conflict major this week?
@south holly
Depends. It is not really a godsent and not really a lifesaver on necrotic weeks
since you can easily kite without it
civic rover
conflict is a good major for necrotic if your comp doesn't have anything to help you
novel ruin
I'm running conflict, yes, but also not gonna do many high keys
still pagoda
it's a good QoL change for sure tho
south holly
conflict is a good major for necrotic if your comp doesn't have anything to help you
@civic rover good point
still pagoda
which will help out
novel ruin
If you arent vers stacking, dont run conflict major please
still pagoda
^
south holly
indeed
novel ruin
And vers stacking is even more pointless on Tyran weeks than Fort
civic rover
yeah generally
south holly
i usually go with lucid
civic rover
like, packs are gonna die faster than you become unhealable in a majority of key levels anyways
novel ruin
There are very few bosses where vers stacking on the tank helps
still pagoda
i think you can safely do +22-23's with zero vers this week
not even talking that +22's are easy without vers anyawy
if you're doing everything correctly
novel ruin
Vers gives false confidence
mellow patio
The reckoning is coming
mellow patio
I won’t see big number and the TD will no longer brr... but at least I’ll be alive
novel ruin
if there are any prot warriors left
mellow patio
I will remain
still pagoda
i won't abandon prot
novel ruin
though i will prob do prot warrior for M+ then raid on something else
mellow patio
You think this discord could get rid of me? I am a skin tag
still pagoda
though i will prob do prot warrior for M+ then raid on something else
Same
mellow patio
Not harmful and a pain to remove
warm plinth
We've been trying for a long time
Can someone explain why Disney Plus only has 3 X-Men movies on it
mellow patio
But it has frozen so
warm plinth
And it's not even the first 3; it's like 3 random ones
novel ruin
I want to start making guides what not earlier for Prot Warriors for M+
mellow patio
That’s the route we take
novel ruin
I think about doing dungeon specific guide work and im like its great info but it doesnt matter in 1-2months
mellow patio
Easier to pick up adds
still pagoda
I think about doing dungeon specific guide work and im like its great info but it doesnt matter in 1-2months
@novel ruin
In SL maybe
i think i will try contributing something myself
Maybe ways of non-toxic dealing with pugs
novel ruin
Yeah which is why I will start at launch of SL
rather than 2months before Pre-patch lol
novel ruin
Yall could have been @civic rover watching me last night go through KR and realize i wasnt gonna be able to solo the dungeon as prot warrior
still pagoda
civic rover
had to change it to normal
oof size LARGE
for what it's worth @novel ruin lots of people are getting into tanking now since so much corruption is available and i think it's helpful for a decent amount of people
novel ruin
Appreciate that, I dont have issues doing it now, just need a 2nd person to be a dps to just stand there for 2 hours while going through each dungeon bit by bit lol
and thats a lot of boring nothing to ask of someone
civic rover
just proc TD every thunderclap
vocal skiff
In your guide, it says SS has priority over TClap, could swear that in more targets TC had priority
One of the small pieces to explain why my dps sucks
novel ruin
@vocal skiff Shield Slam gives us 15 rage, TC gives 5
Both you want on CD
During Avatar Pull itll go Avatar - Charge - Clap -Demo - Clap - Shield
vocal skiff
Oh, I understand that you want both on CD, but if both were up for some reason and I was fighting 2 or more targets, I usually preferred TC
Without avatar, I mean
And with avatar probably so
novel ruin
If you have aggro established, nope, shield slam
chilly brook
@still pagoda you proggin nzoth too?
still pagoda
@still pagoda you proggin nzoth too?
@chilly brook
Nah, my first time on the guild's reclear
chilly brook
ah
still pagoda
sadly, i couldn't find a guild to prog with by now
still pagoda
i would move to NA back in May
if only i lived in Vladivostok
@chilly brook at least i've got into ~WR700 guild
chilly brook
truuuue
wooden radish
@warm plinth https://imgur.com/gallery/vPp0MDZ
warm plinth
Daww lil pampered kitty
oblique garnet
onyx vessel
grand drum
anyone know how much i should sell this for?
undone sun
underminejournal https://i.imgur.com/oF3jW9E.png (US Regional data)
vocal skiff
Anyone willing to have a quick look on a m+ log of mine? I am worried about my damage in general, but any other feedback is welcome
umbral yarrow
What’s the best tactics to negate the necrotic this week as a warrior with pugs who can’t stun/slow.. re roll dwarf for racial ? Lol
civic rover
kite before you're unhealable, not when you're unhealable
novel ruin
@woven trellis no
woven trellis
and guttripper or lifespeed what do u choose
i mean guttriper already does 1,5% of my dps
sounds like a lot
novel ruin
both are good
if you have lowish haste, then lifespeed
if you want more dam, go guttripper
woven trellis
got 1k8 haste
novel ruin
thats 26%?
woven trellis
yeah
novel ruin
lifespeed is pretty good then. But its personal preference
woven trellis
btw, i have this ring with 460 with a socket and 96 leech, with a lot of crit and a bit of haste, i could switch for a 475 Haste versatility, but id lose my socket and the leech
not sure if its a good call
novel ruin
you arent vers amping, right?
woven trellis
whats the haste level where u feel good if 26% isnt eenough for u
i dont but u said urself mixing TD and some vers isnt bad
for 21+
novel ruin
think im 31% base no into the fray
novel ruin
But i wouldnt go lower than 26%
woven trellis
mixed with td and IT1x2
woven trellis
even with just 4?
novel ruin
nice
woven trellis
31
cloud tangle
I hav 1 ineffable truth. should I stack full TD or hav a haste corruption?
civic rover
try to get a second ineffable then stack full TD
haste is a good filler if you have space left
halcyon pasture
Does anyone know if 'Tyar' s elvui template is avaliable?
ionic fern
I don't know who/what 'Tyar' is but you might have a better shot at #ui-addons-manager
halcyon pasture
ty
sweet summit
hazy gust
i've seen on logs lots of warriors using crucible of flame , isn't Vision of perfection major better? if not - why?
ionic fern
CoF is mainly a single target (raids for example) DPS option.
So if you want to go for DPS parses in raids you'd pick CoF.
hazy gust
but isn't the haste buff to others and the mastery from triple bastion much higher
ionic fern
Not from this PoV.
You can play around it with yourself via simming to see the results.
hazy gust
for context, i'm on mythic nzoth atm, i'm guessing that COF major is good for hitting psychus or the synapses inside the mindrealm
ionic fern
Also, take into consideration that this late into the tier most guilds have stopped progressing and are just clearing the raid meaning that the top logs on warcraftlogs will show you what's being used by players who are just re-clearing and going for DPS.
For progressing you can(if you feel like it) go also for a more defensive option.
sick sentinel
CoF is better since Nzoth is all about single target anyways and upping your strenght/haste with formless void beats waiting for vision procs, especially if you stack twilight
hazy gust
what corruptions would people reccomend for mythic nzoth
atm im running rank 2 TD and 5 rank 3 vers
sick sentinel
full twilight if you are not being forced to do harvesters
nothing hurts on that fight as a warrior
hazy gust
the bashers hurt alot
i found lastnight (first prog night) that i was getting to about 20% hp consistently
sick sentinel
yeah thats because you're probably taking more than one lash, once you kill bashers as quick as you should you will not take more than one, if at all any
if it's your first night that's normal
you can alternate between last stand and demo shout for the void lashes, and if you want to be really careful make sure to have a full shield block charge ready for the lash if you dont last stand it since it's blockable
hazy gust
what are your thoughts on running above 40 corruption as warr? (on mythic nzoth)
and are there any tips that you can suggest for the fight generally, i read that you can spell reflect the anguish later in the fight
hazy gust
ahh okay, when are optimum times to rallying cry you think? and what are your thoughts on ineffable truth for prot warriors? in previous fights before getting ideal corruptions ineff felt strong for CD uptime
hazy gust
nzoth is like 12 min fight roughly (probably more with my dps) so thats 6 rallies, just wondered if i could yolo it when people are low at X times
sick sentinel
I personally would just go full versatile if defense is what I need, not a big fan of ineffable or procs in general when it comes to survivability. But at this stage I think anything other than full twilight is overkill on that fight unless you have to take harvesters and even they dont hurt if you save your last stand and have shield blocks for it. I rally in my raid during the third anguishes in P2 and in the end when we just stack and yolo on boss. Sometimes in P1 during the first paranoia if people are pepega and drop low
sweet summit
Depends on if you need it the next 3 minutes or not
Oh no, youll trigger the vers haters now
sick sentinel
ducks
hazy gust
is there a massive difference between doing the mindgate first or 2nd?
sweet summit
Kinda, yeah
sick sentinel
first one should have all melees
hazy gust
on HC i've always found the 2nd to be easier, but i'm doing first mindgate on mythic
sweet summit
Different mechanics and pathing
sick sentinel
2nd should be a monk since the adds will be all over the place on the healers/ranged
strong forum
Full vers in raid just play better
sweet summit
I found the vers hater
strong forum
ionic fern
I can join that club.
sick sentinel
Count me in, but I'd still take versa over ineffable in raids
ionic fern
Be a man and use 0 corruption.
sick sentinel
Not that I ever wore something other than Twilight
ionic fern
Real alpha move.
strong forum
Good ineffable procs allow you to solo tank carapace
strong forum
Woah he's gaming
sweet summit
That hurts
sick sentinel
Full haste, just bind shield block on all spells
ionic fern
Sad part is that i'm still out DPS'ing people now that i actually more or less know how fury works.
sweet summit
PogYou
sweet summit
Bad tanks
hazy gust
FeelsDamageReductionMan
sweet summit
I bet
strong forum
So you're telling me the average gamer is not good?
ionic fern
Oh, don't get me started with pug tanks. 😦
strong forum
That's also not enough vers amps, you can almost squeeze a TD3 in there
sweet summit
IT where :Sadge:
hazy gust
how much corruption would you play as tank on prog?
ionic fern
59
strong forum
I would go 59 tbh
hazy gust
my healers concern me so i don't play above 40
sweet summit
39 or 59
ionic fern
Until the RL screams.
hazy gust
also is the urchin trinket from EP ever good for memes to be imortal
sweet summit
Meh
hazy gust
or is that only decent for monks
strong forum
Only vs high fort zul
Outside of that, only monks
Cuz monks mastery works with it, ontop of monks stacking vers% anyway
Ontop of stagger
sweet summit
Die monk die
sick sentinel
laughs in Shadowlands prot
sweet summit
@strong forum im thinking, and i cant see how urchin would outperform shell/alch on zul
ebon hound
|| ||
sweet summit
hazy gust
what would be BiS trinkets for nzoth
frosty wren
Get those haste proccs and twilight devastate him to death
sweet summit
brittle owl
vocal skiff
What's decent demo shout and avatar uptime in dungeons? Obviously it will change depending on how fast you pull and dps, but is there an average to aspire to?
brittle owl
that is a very arbitrary gauge that changes from dungeon to dungeon, group to group
ideally
you have avatar for every pack
vocal skiff
Would there be a number that you would think is bad
brittle owl
and demo as well
demo shout you should be able to use twice in a pack
provided they live longer than 20 seconds
that's what you should be aiming for
still pagoda
you have avatar for every pack
@brittle owl
I disagree, ideally you have 2 avatars om every pack
brittle owl
or that idk
still pagoda
Since you click it on CD or when previous falls off
brittle owl
haven't played warr this season to know the flow 
still pagoda
Exactly
brittle owl
stuff doesn't live long enough to warrant a second press during a pack
still pagoda
And 2 per pack in higher keys
brittle owl
ya
still pagoda
stuff doesn't live long enough to warrant a second press during a pack
Chainpulling warrants everything
brittle owl
yeah but who plays with a shadow priest
still pagoda
Me
brittle owl
still pagoda
I have a spriest in the group
strong forum
Anywhere from 50 to 70% is good uptime on Avatar depending on circumstances
brittle owl
strong forum
It was deemed unworthy
still pagoda
brittle owl
50-70% uptime is still arbitrary
strong forum
Exactly
strong forum
brittle owl
in conclusion @vocal skiff
if you pull a pack
and you don't have avatar
you done goofed somewhere
digital swan
Hey guys, I main a BrM but looking to switch to War for SL. Leveling one now, any tips for when I hit 120? Atm i clear HC NYA and the odd mythic boss, highest key pushed 19. Looking to do similar
ionic fern
You mean..does taking Condemn (Venthyr) make any sense for prot in SL? @jovial steeple
onyx vessel
jovial steeple
YES .. sorry... shouldnt drive and texting
ionic fern
Damn i'm good at Alias.
still pagoda
Hey guys, I main a BrM but looking to switch to War for SL. Leveling one now, any tips for when I hit 120? Atm i clear HC NYA and the odd mythic boss, highest key pushed 19. Looking to do similar
@digital swan
Grind timewalks, get cloak ASAP, grind out VoP(best M+ essence for major slot before +21-22 keys) and CnS and go on with keys
ionic fern
It makes SOME sense - especially for Single Target scenarios, but in general Spear(Kyrian) and Aftershock (Night Fae) are looking better. Tho door of Shadows can have its uses.
digital swan
Cool beans. Had a quick look seems best to run 2x r1 eff, then td? Maybe vers for higher
still pagoda
Cool beans. Had a quick look seems best to run 2x r1 eff, then td? Maybe vers for higher
@digital swan
Yeah
ionic fern
still pagoda
Higher is +24 and stuff
brittle owl
night fae more like
still pagoda
A F T E R S H O C K
brittle owl
light ghey
digital swan
VP major then nul minor for all content? Strife and void for raids, aegis and warden for m+
still pagoda
VP major then nul minor for all content? Strife and void for raids, aegis and warden for m+
@digital swan
VoP major,
CnS/Lucid/Sphere minors
brittle owl
formless if you have a CoF in your group can be gud
still pagoda
For M+
jovial steeple
Ty
digital swan
Oh seen lucid can be a good minor too yeah. Thanks peeps
near pewter
7 x vers 1's and 2x 1 ineffable truth's or 9 vers 3's?
for pugging 20+, i dont have a grp to run with
solemn venture
I would keep those it’s as staples. It’s so good
brittle owl
i'd just run td's for that tbh
solemn venture
Concur instead of the vers
brittle owl
the way you put on versatiles you should add it when you find a keylevel too much to handle assuming proper play on your part
and you add it in increments of 20/10
otherwise, there isn't much point
solemn venture
In your average joe key, you’re sacrificing your dmg to enable bigger pulls. Most pug groups don’t pull more than 2 groups at once. Honestly I started playing my vers set( which includes two it’s) and my damage went down overall around 15k to 20k average but the overall group dmg went up so much higher esp the healer’s since he didn’t have to worry about yoyo’ing health as much
hollow tundra
How big is it to run 2x rank 1 ineffable instead of just one in M+?
I got enough to buy two rank 1 Ineffable but then i can only buy 1-2 versa rank 3 on saturday.
frosty wren
How big is it to run 2x rank 1 ineffable instead of just one in M+?
@Mr.VonCoco#3198 when it proccs while using avatar u can spam clap
still pagoda
In your average joe key, you’re sacrificing your dmg to enable bigger pulls. Most pug groups don’t pull more than 2 groups at once. Honestly I started playing my vers set( which includes two it’s) and my damage went down overall around 15k to 20k average but the overall group dmg went up so much higher esp the healer’s since he didn’t have to worry about yoyo’ing health as much
@solemn venture
Did you need it to pull that much tho? This is the main question, especially when talking keys before +24.
I personally can pull off big pulls in +22 keys with no vers since the only thing that may kill you is your own mistake, even if you are running vers.
Also
Pwarr hp yolo's
WUT. You probably forget to keep SB/LS up all the time
hollow tundra
Does it procc alot with 1x or is 2x the sweetspot?
still pagoda
IT has static 1RPPM
near pewter
I just find the vers is way more forgiving in pug's when stuff goes wrong
still pagoda
no matter the amount
I just find the vers is way more forgiving in pug's when stuff goes wrong
A false confidence
near pewter
@still pagoda can you explain please?
still pagoda
long story short, it won't save you from mistakes of all the morons in pug runs
just as it won't save you from your own mistakes
near pewter
But, it has saved me plenty of times when pugs body pulling extra packs
like more times then i can count
maybe i just get bad pug groups
still pagoda
you can survive this without vers easily
ionic fern
You know what helps with that as well?
Playing the class correctly since we have all the tools for it and more.
Not trying to be a dick btw.
near pewter
Everyone keeps saying that, but when i run TD + vers it feels way worse and im blowing Shield wall pretty much on CD
sick sentinel
in pugs u are likely to have 2 decent players and 3 idiots
near pewter
trying to push into 20+
sick sentinel
i'm usually the idiot, most times not always
still pagoda
you can do +23's and higher without vers. There's even one key done by Nerf with full TD
and it was +26 iirc
ionic fern
I mean - i'm not gonna tell you to stop running Vers - run what ever you want.
But if you're having issues surviving without Versatility on a +20 etc i would also suggest you to log/vod your runs to see what's going wrong.
frosty wren
@near pewter im playing keys +22 and 23 and I’m still running td rank 5 and 2 it 1s
Never had any problems
still pagoda
^
near pewter
Man you guys must get way better pugs then me 😦
sick sentinel
i didn't realize that keys at like 15-16+ started to get so intense that you have to actually pay alot of attention
still pagoda
i'm not pugging anymore. 90% of pug runs on EU horde in +20-22 range are unfinished
Man you guys must get way better pugs then me 😦
@near pewter
Stop pugging bruh
get into a group)
near pewter
yea, i dont have any friends yo
ionic fern
Jep.
Especially if you're on a tight time schedule.
sick sentinel
so, i'm quickly losing interesting, especially now that i got the mount for it
marble cipher
Jep.
Especially if you're on a tight time schedule.
this is usually my problem too.
Two raid nights on a schedule don't really allow me to add in another scheduled night, so I pug keys when I can
sick sentinel
come shadowlands i will play again tho.
ionic fern
👍
frosty wren
Well, we just want to say that it is not mandatory to stack versa for these keys, if u feel safer to run versa, do it, but u can also try to help the group by doing immense damage and also being a solid tank
still pagoda
https://discord.gg/mythicplusfriends
https://discord.gg/jFm5c3
the main problem is usually scheduling, especially if you're on a tight time schedule. BUT it can be mitigated a bit through doing keys only 1-2 evenings a week when everyone is up. Definitely better than bashing your head against the wall with pugs and getting burned out because of it
strong forum
Ya that's usually how it is with me too yogi. As soon as I reach my goal I lose interest
near pewter
@still pagoda thanks for linking those!
still pagoda
Posting on the behalf of @warm plinth as the one who linked first discord to me long ago
vocal skiff
I thought these Discords were not that effective, that the better way was to form your own network through pugging
still pagoda
bruh
still pagoda
it is better to find a group that is either forming or already in touch and just looking for tank
vocal skiff
And when I did use another Discord, it kinda went nowhere
ionic fern
I just got a punch of guildies together for my grp.
still pagoda
than to spend countless nights and all your nerves on "forming a pug network"
ionic fern
👀
still pagoda
I just got a punch of guildies together for my grp.
@ionic fern
All my guildies are either already in the group or cba doing keys past weekly
brittle owl
yo
ionic fern
I'll come carry you as healer..just like i carried Erga, dw.
still pagoda
^
sick sentinel
i tried to do 16's last week but bursting every time
brittle owl
yours or your groups
still pagoda
it really fucking doen't
brittle owl
you're delusional if you think it "saves you"
still pagoda
you will die the same
no matter how much vers you have
pillow suit is redundant and suboptimal till +24
frosty wren
^
still pagoda
especially this week
brittle owl
pillowsuit in general is dumb
you either add vers in incremets of 20%/10% in order to essentially drop the key one level lower
sullen valve
ionic fern
It's not druid mastery no.
still pagoda
it is not Celestial Fortune either
frosty wren
Lul
sick sentinel
i could have sworn it says versa increases healing u take
sweet summit
still pagoda
sick sentinel
so, versa healing only works on my victory rush??? and maybe lesser extent LS/rally?
vocal skiff
and impassive visage I guess
frosty wren
And flash heal
brittle owl
what they gain from vers is irelevant
sick sentinel
he was telling me that if i used versa i'd get healed more and live longer some shit
frosty wren
Ohhh wrong class
brittle owl
vers just gives them bigger ehp to work with
since ykno
that's their main weakness in m+
physical ehp
prob a good idea to stop listening to him
you're better off jammin
still pagoda
prob a good idea to stop listening to him [2]
strong forum
Vers causes your heals to heal more, you don't get more healing from others
near pewter
maybe i should rephrase my original question.... if i am already stacking verse - should i stack more verse or should i keep 2x ineffable truth 1's?
strong forum
Always keep ITs
They work insanely well with our kit
Granting a much larger benefit that that 1 additional 12% vers gain
frosty wren
Yea keep them, your uptime on skills like avatar is insane
hollow tundra
Should you always aim for 2x IT's or is one enough?
raven knoll
IT feels so good when it proccs helps with everything, its the biggest impact in a corruption for that low cost i noticed
distant crystal
at max resist if you're building vers
i'd imagine 1xIT2 8xVers3 would be the play eh
should be 55 net
onyx gale
nerf is running surging vit
been awesome in 21-24 keys for me
you net like 1400 vers from it proccing
chilly brook
Theres a calculator buried in here that will tell you what would be most advantageous between vers/surging vit at your versatility level
lucid dew
sweet summit
Is that a challenge
warm plinth
My M+ tank found the new 
:
sick sentinel
i wouldn't mind having plat plating just to try
ionic fern
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strong forum
Mwahi do you never check tank Discord?
sweet summit
how much is 79 damage
strong forum
or do you mean yogis statement
strong forum
ah
sweet summit
why
warm plinth
Yes, why
sweet summit
warm plinth
I understand not every trinket can be BiS but why make a trinket that is literally unusable if you have literally anything else
There's no point
strong forum
because the person designing it has no clue whats actually desirable
clearly
its been that way for 2+ expansions now
sweet summit
do they like just design whatever they think is cool, but forget to tune them?
strong forum
you have that 1 accident of a trinket such as Nzoth shell
sweet summit
oh no a good tank trinket what will i do
warm plinth
Yeah for sure Nome. Like survivability trinkets are not needed very often but would it kill them to make actual good ones? lol
strong forum
one of the issues being them not being strong enough to validate using them even if they look good on paper
most of the defensive trinkets have only been used in niche cases such as high keys, and certain magic intensive bosses
warm plinth
Yeah
I can see a bit of concern with regard to defensive trinkets that would make them hard to tune though
Which is that they don't want to make a trinket that can cheese a mechanic
At least during prog when you're still actually taking damage
sick sentinel
need 2 more weeks for 2 more cores then i can run sub 40 cr again with 12% haste
over by 4 if i do it now
warm plinth
Yeah I think that's the case lol
strong forum
and i agree that its hard to make a good trinket thats not simultaneously OP
(nzoth trinket is absolutely OP)
warm plinth
Yep, 100%
warm plinth
On the other hand though
That trinket I just posted is probably the worst one we've seen in a while
It's like they took platinum plating and void from Ra-den, created a bastard love child, and then put a 5 min CD on it
strong forum
ya theres discussion on a different cord about it
sullen valve
sweet summit
warm plinth
I didn't realize how funny the 2 min duration was either because I don't have beta. But apparently it breaks within a few hits
strong forum
i mean you can do the math
you have 50-60k hp on lvl 60
slap an 11k absorb on that with a 5min CD
:kekw:
warm plinth
Very sad
ionic fern
Good thing we don't use tank trinkets.
sweet summit
until you are dealt what does that mean? you take damage, or the trinket did damage
strong forum
dmg you take
sick sentinel
just another way of saying xyz123 bubble
strong forum
aka 1 melee swing from a raidboss
sweet summit
thats epic is fuck
strong forum
its literally worse than mydas talisman
its actually even worse than plating
cuz plating lasts for 4 melees
when this lasts for 1
sweet summit
at least this deals damage 😎
civic rover
still gonna need it for the 95 pars
sweet summit
very
warm plinth
So powerful it needed a 5 min CD
sweet summit
exactly
civic rover
just have it as a permanent buff
dire bloom
yo did I hear there was a cat being posted around these parts
sweet summit
dire bloom
deep steppe
barren torrent
final gust
mellow patio
zinc trail
wooden radish
@exotic spoke https://imgur.com/QFoGCMF
exotic spoke
@wooden radish https://gfycat.com/excellentbrieffinch
crude notch
@exotic spoke 🤟
exotic spoke
👍
warm plinth
That reminds me of the old squirrel one
wooden radish
@warm plinth https://imgur.com/gallery/ku3cH1D
wicked pulsar
sweet summit
mellow patio
crude notch
sweet summit
main vault
I feel we should have gotten a Maul conduit that was better
sweet summit
🐒
main vault
Or maybe one to give IF a bit of magic mit
sweet summit
brittle owl
lime orbit
urban shore
Any experts who want to train a new player (my father) on the basics of maintaining aggro and staying alive please message me. I can pay gold or IRL currency I just want him to improve
strong forum
not the best idea to advertise for Money on a public forum
ionic fern
Ok, first of all, adorable.
Second of all, no money involved please.
wooden moat
Is Ashvane's cuirass the best chestpiece if you can't get the mythic Carapace one?
ionic fern
What is he struggling with? Is he new to the game or new to the class?
wooden moat
Also is 480 Ashvane's Cuirass better than 465 Carapace one?
onyx needle
depends on how much corruption you have, if you are over 25 then go with the Carapace one
wooden moat
I'm at 59 XD
onyx needle
Heart of Darkness is great
wooden moat
Yeah
strong forum
First of all Carapace drops Shoulders
wooden moat
but is it worth loosing 20k health?
strong forum
2nd of all, no 465 is not better than ashvanes chest
ionic fern
o.o
steep bone
@urban shore Then go to one of WF players they're coaching for money (you can find them on twitch). And here you can ask questions, but start with 
distant crystal
did you edit in a double negative
distant crystal
ashvane chest is giga
wooden moat
HAHA
rigid sinew
chilly brook
@urban shore did you ever get help?
ionic fern
Just went afk. 😦
chilly brook
Someone probably sent a DM being like yes I'm pro top player gib money
mellow patio
I get scammed every week when I show up to raid
tame garden
umbral yarrow
Do we just stack bastion might and then hod or deafening crash azerite armour or is ilvl better
chilly brook
Ilvl
3xBoM if you can
1xDC
Fill with HoD/Clockwork Heart/MS
BFI and IF are also good choices
chilly brook
@still pagoda carried
uncut fractal
How's prot looking in SL? Both for m+ & raiding? Looking for a solid tank and warr seems default choice
still pagoda
steep bone
@still pagoda welcome
still pagoda
state of this chat explains it all
steep bone
and i got cara weapon
chilly brook
@uncut fractal play what you like playing 5head
sullen valve
crude notch
brittle owl
zinc trail
barren torrent
steep bone
I legit crafted over 20 legs and not single haste/vers ones
topaz root
so how good is the shield from Junkyard compared to any other same ilvl shield? is the proc good?
steep bone
its bad
distant crystal
but better than everything lower ilvl
steep bone
overall rule for shield is ilvl>stats but on same ilvl mecha shield is shit
topaz root
got a 460 Crit vers shield from pvp but wasnt sure if its still better then junk 465
topaz root
will use it until i actually get a vers 465 then :d
steep bone
if you're not vers stacking then you don't need vers
and if you want to get better shield then motherlode will be good
onyx vessel
novel ruin
@topaz root Weapons and shields you care about highest ilvl.
mental anchor
485 with no no secondaries better than a 475 with double the secondaries
When is vers 3 back btw for na
warm plinth
novel ruin
What 485 piece has no secondaries??? @mental anchor
mental anchor
Hypothetically speaking lol
novel ruin
From a wep and shield perspective? Yes
still pagoda
there's no such piece in the game tho
novel ruin
But that would never be the case
mental anchor
Yes wep and shield I’m speaking hypothetically I’m not asking I was just making a point of how big ilvl is for those 2 slots
novel ruin
Unless looking at Mechagon stuff if it dropped at 485
5ilvl from a wep perspective would have to be summed
Simmed*
But 10ilvl is too large
And any ivl difference on shield always go with larger one
crude notch
mental anchor
@warm plinth thanks didn’t know they made a site that’s great for the 2 months left haha
warm plinth
It's been around for a couple months now :p
novel ruin
Yeah, launched March or April I believe
mental anchor
Wow when I only need 1 more vers amp I find out lol
coral marsh
i just had a run where we missed 2,5 % although i did the normal route, some obelix probably didnt give %, does this happen sometimes?
its workshop so we didnt skip anything
mental anchor
Is this week teeming?
warm plinth
Did you die when you were doing the slimes at the start?