protection

[still pagoda]

if you're not adding vers in increments of 20/10, you're a clown [2]

I'm doing so

While also getting 60/30 on packs with CnS major with only 22/11 baseline

[pastel sleet]

even with td 6 it 1, im having trouble with aggro on pull. i do as much damage as any of the dps... what am i doing wrong? people die from melee on pull all the time.

[sweet summit]

Avatar+charge+sb->clap->demo->clap

If u have a ret pala/dumb dh that just pop shit on pull, let them die

[summer lotus]

^

[pastel sleet]

thats what my pull looks like.... 😦 they just hit first or eyebeam, or bladestorm...

[summer lotus]

After only playing tank for almost all bfa, when switching to dps I always let the tank get aggro with 2-3 globals, never had problems taking aggro on me so, let them die and learn

[barren torrent]

Your dps have to learn to let you get properly the aggro. If they don't, either they will pop def cd ou die poorly but that will be their fault

[steep bone]

even with td 6 it 1, im having trouble with aggro on pull. i do as much damage as any of the dps... what am i doing wrong? people die from melee on pull all the time.
@pastel sleet You are doing nothing wrong. They are trash

[summer lotus]

"even with td 6 it 1, im having trouble with aggro on pull" TD is kinda irrelevant for pull aggro, unless it insta procs on pull

[sweet summit]

Imean you could link logs, so we are sure

I know we are good at blaming melee brains but ya know 🤷

[barren torrent]

[still pagoda]

Initial aggro from TC spam is enough to hold anything anyway

Unless it's some kind of mongo DH/ret

[barren torrent]

I mean, when I switch to fury and pop a burst too early, if I'm getting aggro I know it's my fault even if I don't have to pop ER because fury skin is THICC

[delicate swan]

Erga , you're the biggest Melee brain 🤷‍♂️ 😂

[sweet summit]

mate

nah i cant even argue

its true :(

[delicate swan]

Kekw

[sweet summit]

hey dent did you hear mwahi is going horde

i think you should come too

[delicate swan]

What about his Dwarf racial , taking that with him?

@ionic fern

Or is it to flee from Capable 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂

[sweet summit]

KEKW

[ionic fern]

Peer pressure.

[undone sun]

can't be pressured if you don't have peers

🙂

[sweet summit]

[ionic fern]

[brittle owl]

oh shit

new emote

[sweet summit]

we also have and uhhhh

[brittle owl]

meh

those are neckbeard emotes

i thrive on acoustic emotes like this

[undone sun]

weird wow emotes

smh

[sweet summit]

yeah but simp is funny name

[daring bay]

Does anyone know how to root second boss in Siege?

[undone sun]

lul exdee

[daring bay]

Trying it in a normal m0

but having a hard time

[brittle owl]

rofflemao

@strong forum explained it somewhere in here

[sweet summit]

she's gotta be rooted as the shoot cast finishes

[daring bay]

ye for the shot it is 60% of the cast i think

but what about the first time?

when she is doing retreat?

[brittle owl]

#protection message

[orchid frigate]

ugh ppl accusing me for being boosted beacuse of small pulls on trash before first boss in shrine

then group dies on first boss due to sea blast and accuses me for not having aggro!?!

how can you be 3k rio without knowing that there has be one standing on each spawn 🤷‍♂️

[strong forum]

3k io is still massive boosted manki territory

[orchid frigate]

i guess

think im done with pugs

i just lose faith in humanity doing them

feelsbadman

[brittle owl]

can't lose faith if you don't have it to begin with

[ionic fern]

Well..one in like..5 PuG's is a solid run. 😂

[brittle owl]

can only get pleasantly surprised, sometimes

[ionic fern]

I just did a +21 ToS yesterday with pug's..diddn't expect much since most people die to first boss but we managed to 2 chest it without deaths to my surprise so.. 🤷

[brittle owl]

tos is fine tbh, since the first boss is a massive manki check

[ionic fern]

Jep, that's why i like it.
If you get pass first boss you're good to go - and if you don't..well, atleast it was a short run.

😂

Unlike AD where people still die to last boss spiders.

[orchid frigate]

think these push weeks have bigger amounts of morons

[ionic fern]

Nah, the weeks after push weeks have them.

[orchid frigate]

😄

[ionic fern]

Since everyones R.io is bloated.

[orchid frigate]

probably true

tho most seems unusually toxic right about now

guess they are started to get frustrated

week ending soon

[brittle owl]

wow playerbase is tossic in general

[summer lotus]

most games kinda are tho

[brittle owl]

tru

internet is toxic

we have deviated from our true purpose

esports culture has perverted us

the trihards are winning

[summer lotus]

well its more like, ppl are assholes, internet just helps to show it

[brittle owl]

we need to remember what the internet is for

and that is

porn

[summer lotus]

[brittle owl]

well its more like, ppl are assholes, internet just helps to show it
a hole's a hole idk bout chu

[summer lotus]

[strong forum]

Can't bloat io if you don't play

[still pagoda]

^

It is like avoiding student loans and payed university education by means of job-after-education contracts

[brittle owl]

that is a very

far fetched analogy

😂

[steep bone]

Safeguard for 23kr yes/no?

[strong forum]

There's no downside to it

It's the only thing on that row that can make a difference

[still pagoda]

22KR seemed really easy this week

Until zul

RIP key

[barren torrent]

Get Zuled

[steep bone]

i did zul on 22 already

[barren torrent]

[steep bone]

was pretty okay

[orchid frigate]

is the strategy to kite at that lvl of key?

[steep bone]

if you have nothing left

you probs gotta start kiting

[barren torrent]

If healer's tears are replaced by his blood then you can

[steep bone]

i suppose thats how i should play with safeguard?

star boss black me red teammates

[strong forum]

They have to come to you

If they want safeguard, they have to come into melee

[barren torrent]

That's a beautiful draw tho

[solemn venture]

I’m not a fan of using vers on that level normally but on fort weeks kr is def the earliest levels I would consider taking off the crit and td and slapping that vers on

[strong forum]

Everything else is just wrong

[steep bone]

oh okay

[cloud mauve]

is the 6% twilight devastation worth it

[still pagoda]

Every single bit of TD is worth it

Considering that you even ask this question

[merry sparrow]

Guys i created a prot warrior 2 weeks ago but i have a question. I'm playing with CaS major but every time in dg mobs are not getting root anymore after 3 4 thunderclap is this normal ?

[solemn venture]

Yes, it has the same corruption to dmg ratio as td3. It’s not like amp2’s or it2

[still pagoda]

Guys i created a prot warrior 2 weeks ago but i have a question. I'm playing with CaS major but every time in dg mobs are not getting root anymore after 3 4 thunderclap is this normal ?

1. Probably assa rogue or frost mage
2. Why are you even playing CnS major if you're not Vers stacking? Assuming that you're not going for giga keys since your warr is fresh

[strong forum]

Cns root doesn't apply if the target is slowed for 30% or more

[merry sparrow]

Oh so i was playing with assa rogue that's the reason ?

[solemn venture]

If it’s an assa rogue, enhancement shammy, Frost mage, fury warrior spamming piercing howl😡

[strong forum]

Any slow

[still pagoda]

[solemn venture]

The slowing specs, gg

[strong forum]

Sphere minor also cancels out the cns root

[still pagoda]

^

This one especially

[merry sparrow]

Ok ty for your answer 🙂

[still pagoda]

CnS major doesn't give much outside of high keys

[orchid frigate]

wtf? just checked dmg last TD i did

ahh

[marble cipher]

I played like that yesterday, CnS major, and sphere minor 😜

[orchid frigate]

cannons doh

[marble cipher]

Clever me

[strong forum]

80k with cannons?

Slacker

[orchid frigate]

im so afraid of the rock throwers that i go in versa amp 😦

[sweet summit]

those are blockable

[still pagoda]

Rock throwers in ML and TD? Bring in 3 AoE stuns, 2 stormbolts, 1 rogue and all the possible fears, gauges and blinds

Also

I love spriests

Just the sheer amount of utility in mass dispel, fear, stuns and few small saves outweighs lack of interrupt

[sweet summit]

VE kinda slaps

[orchid frigate]

does all priests have mass dispel?

[strong forum]

Yuh

[sweet summit]

yes

[orchid frigate]

nice

[solemn venture]

Not to mention disease cleanse, phat grips, mind control in ws

[orchid frigate]

my best tol dagor experience today was that one time i gathered up mobs at the beach and a shaman pulled aggro on a mob far away, died and insta left

fast and quick dung

[still pagoda]

[orchid frigate]

im sure he thought it was my fault

[summer lotus]

usual pug experience

[strong forum]

Wdym you don't have aggro on the mob you only body pulled and you're 40+ yards away from?

Shit tank

[summer lotus]

wdym you did not notice I ninja pulled on the most open area where its almost impossible to ninja pull

[mellow patio]

This is not only a pug experience unfortunately... this is a dps brain experience

[orchid frigate]

😦

[mellow patio]

When you do juicer pulls dps start salivating at their potential big numbers and can’t wait 2 seconds for you to group things up

This will forever be a thing until you have trained them

[summer lotus]

best example is vexiona pugs, "pull the ads to the boss tank!!!!!!" while they proceed to blast them with eyebeam/iris before they even spawn

[mellow patio]

Or don’t interrupt them

Or don’t stun them

[summer lotus]

^

and then they die to drive by from vex cause ads aint moving cause no one is kicking them, BUT TANK MOVE THE ADS out of the drive by

and i just stand there, on the stairs, watching half the raid poof

[steep bone]

@still pagoda we had pepega on third boss
zul was ez pez tho

[still pagoda]

15:48 by your time

Tuesday

Work? Studies?

[steep bone]

no

[still pagoda]

[steep bone]

gaming 24/7

[still pagoda]

[steep bone]

but tbh even if not timed im giga happy i survived zul

https://www.twitch.tv/nuuplays im actually pepeja

[summer lotus]

can you not skip zul anymore?

with dh

[steep bone]

nope

[summer lotus]

when did they fix that

im talking about the expoity skip not just skipping with obelisk tho

[strong forum]

Somewhere between 8.2 and 8.3

[frosty wren]

U need to kill Zul to open the gate for the endboss

[warm plinth]

Well, push week is over and we got like 200 points so I guess I can’t be upset lol. We timed a 22 KR last night which was like 50 points by itself (we only had a 20)

[pastel sleet]

Grats. My score went up 600

All it took was people willing to push

[warm plinth]

Nice

[strong forum]

I was thinking of quickly getting 4k today

But cba

[orchid frigate]

ok, so

if i wanna do shrine

and not getting called a noob for smol pulls with attendans

[warm plinth]

Pretty much done getting score for the season though: ended at 3627.

[orchid frigate]

what do i do? 😮

[strong forum]

You need to commit CDs

Or pull ontop of boss + CDs

[sweet summit]

week isnt over yet

[strong forum]

Either way, you'll need CDs / immunities and a good healer

[orchid frigate]

:/

i just feel so bad

[warm plinth]

Pulling big with attendants requires coordination though. If you’re not in voice and no one is doing anything to stop casts, you’re dead regardless

[orchid frigate]

thanks!

thats what i wanted to hear

then i know im not completly worthless

[warm plinth]

Like you can stop a lot yourself but it doesn’t take many casts getting through to die after your stops/CDs are gone

It’s over for me Erga. I’m NA lol

[sweet summit]

:sadge:

[orchid frigate]

nope 😦 im dead pretty fast when im out

[strong forum]

F you'll never be as good as me for I have a higher number on a 3rd party website

Know that I'm superior

Haha!

/s

[orchid frigate]

😦

[warm plinth]

I am pretty happy overall. My score in Legion was pathetic compared to now.

[orchid frigate]

i did one really solid mistake today tho

[strong forum]

I shiver at the sight of my s3 and s2 score ngl

[warm plinth]

I wanna say my best score in Legion was like...1600 or something lol.

[orchid frigate]

i thought it was tank buster obelisk dude

so i ran

but it was fear guy

😄

[warm plinth]

Oh shit

Lol

[strong forum]

Lmao

[orchid frigate]

good of the group to survive

felt so bad after 😄

tho it does feel like his minions hits far and left even if i have aggro on all

[warm plinth]

They hit whoever is on top of threat if they’re in range but as soon as they’re not, they’ll hit whoever they can

[orchid frigate]

ah ok

[lethal mauve]

tfw you accidently pull the boss, wipe your m+ group, and end up missing time by 30s 😦

[sweet summit]

[orchid frigate]

how about a new gaming chair?

[sweet summit]

👀

[still pagoda]

[junior horizon]

is this even remotely good?

[strong forum]

Nop

[junior horizon]

thought so

[strong forum]

About as bad as it gets for a max ilvl ring

[sweet summit]

its solid for fury 👌

[sick sentinel]

we are doomed guys

[warm plinth]

kek

[ionic fern]

👍

[twilit jay]

i got a merektha fang, any good?

[warm plinth]

Yes and no

[sick sentinel]

somewhat meme

[warm plinth]

It pumps but it's dangerous to use

[sick sentinel]

but u can use it

[plush tendon]

pump that gland

but super meme

[warm plinth]

This game really wants me to use Vial

[junior horizon]

is vial good?

[warm plinth]

It's okay

Not great, not terrible

[steep bone]

How do you bait tornados to side while staying in safe spot in Sots?

whenever i try im just getting pepega thrown around and its gigawipe

[sweet summit]

You hug the very corner

And tornadoes cant hit you

[steep bone]

Hmm

and when i have to move

[sweet summit]

You look, amd move around tornadoes if there are any

[steep bone]

hmm

so it wasn't really my fault that dh died from frontal

lulw

[sweet summit]

Well if he was on safespot, yes

If he jumped down, no

[steep bone]

he wasn't

[sweet summit]

Why did he jump down?

[steep bone]

dunno

😄

[sweet summit]

[steep bone]

at some point i just moved away from safe spot and he jumped there

but it's just about standing on opposite side to mine

[sweet summit]

Huh?

[novel ruin]

If you were using right side it can sometimes be rough for melee to hit them. Left side much easier imo

[woven trellis]

Hi, how much would it cost to up alchi in order to get the trinket

[novel ruin]

Not much

10-20k

[woven trellis]

wut

is it that cheap

[novel ruin]

Ye

[woven trellis]

how much expulsom tho

[novel ruin]

Just use guide online

Uhmm 80-100

[woven trellis]

well

thats quite a number tho

[novel ruin]

Might be less if you scrap em

[woven trellis]

i have 460 vita and 475 dragonscale, which item will i keep

[sweet summit]

both

[woven trellis]

when i equip the alch trinket i mean

[sweet summit]

vita>>scale

[novel ruin]

When I did it, I got rid of BS so I already had full void focus, spent 15minutes grinding out for 445 recipe in daily vision, then another 45minutes buying materials and leveling it up to max

Are you doing 24 keys?

[woven trellis]

planning to

[novel ruin]

If not, I wouldn’t worry about Alch trinket

And you would get rid of the scale

[woven trellis]

iim timing 21 and 22s right now, but my friends want me to go up, and in the pugs i do, i already start to feel the limits of my gear

[novel ruin]

Limits of your gear?

[woven trellis]

i mean im timing 21, planning of timing 22s, which should be achievable with this gear

but above, itll be complicated, with my skill anyway

with this gear

[novel ruin]

Gear is less of a factor than you believe it to be

[woven trellis]

its still a factor tho

[novel ruin]

Bruh I’m doing 25/26s without Nzoth trinket

[woven trellis]

m planning of getting that one aswell

[novel ruin]

Playing better is

Number one focus

[woven trellis]

lets say that even under shield block + cds, pugs have a hard time healing me in 21 fortified

sometimes

thats my focus aswell ofc

[novel ruin]

I do 65-70%of my own healing in a key

[slow wolf]

VoP procs clear Wrathion stacks, right?

[woven trellis]

thats a lot

[novel ruin]

I think so but not 100%.

If you are pressing your buttons correctly, you probably fall around that percentage as well

[woven trellis]

for now i only heal half what my healer heals me, but i reckon timing IP correctly isnt my best skill

are u using any other sources of healing

[novel ruin]

Pots

[woven trellis]

pots?

[novel ruin]

3-4% leech

Healing pots, I slam those

[woven trellis]

o rly

should i use those for 21 and 22s?

[novel ruin]

You should have them handy

I use prob 8ish a dungeon

[woven trellis]

how much Vers are u advising for the build Vers TD, like the mid build ure talking about in ure guide

but how can 8 pots make up your healing so much, doenst feel like much

[novel ruin]

When I was hybrid with TD3, I was all haste/vers gear with Vers 5, I was sitting around 30-32% vers

[woven trellis]

see

i only have 20% rn

[novel ruin]

But you don’t need vers for those keys

I said in my guide that is isn’t needed

[woven trellis]

well itd help my pug healers

a bit

[chilly brook]

Health pots are BiS

[novel ruin]

It’s only an extra 5% DR

[woven trellis]

sounds like a lot to me

[novel ruin]

It isn’t

[chilly brook]

Vers is meh

[novel ruin]

Because it’s multiplicative so it works out to be less than that

[chilly brook]

Until very much later

[novel ruin]

Do you know what’s dangerous in a dungeon?

[woven trellis]

a lot of things

[novel ruin]

Do you know what you can handle?

Routes?

[woven trellis]

yeah

[novel ruin]

Timings?

[woven trellis]

yeah

[novel ruin]

What’s your best dungeon?

[woven trellis]

i would say my biggest flaw is

timing ip correctly

[ionic fern]

There is no such thing

[woven trellis]

and being too scared sometimes

[ionic fern]

As timing IP correctly.

[novel ruin]

You only time IP correctly on a couple bosses

Otherwise it’s filler

[ionic fern]

The only "correct" time to use it is to avoid rage capping.

[woven trellis]

well obviously people like xanthos heal so much

it must be something related to this

[ionic fern]

Yes

Use IP.

Easy as that.

[novel ruin]

That isn’t true @ionic fern

[woven trellis]

i use it a lot

[sweet summit]

the more damage you take

the more IP heals

[woven trellis]

i use it a lot

[sweet summit]

thats how it works

[woven trellis]

like rly

so i must use it badly

[sweet summit]

you also have HP pots and IV, and leech

shell

[ionic fern]

That's true for 99% of the playerbase @novel ruin i'm not gonna go over every single scenario.

[sweet summit]

last stand usage

etc

[woven trellis]

i only have 2% leech

and i didnt use pots

[undone sun]

Ip doesn't heal 🙂

[novel ruin]

Rixia, Last boss of ML, Shadow of Zul

[woven trellis]

i use lucid dream main for now

[novel ruin]

Good

[woven trellis]

so quite spam it when pulling under memory

as it is advertised in you guide

also, i really wondered how much tankiness i lose by only having 1 bastion of might

[novel ruin]

What’s your best dungeon?

[woven trellis]

no idea rly

[novel ruin]

You only have 1 BoM?

[sweet summit]

mate have you seen my ML, its giga clean

[woven trellis]

i didnt get lucky with rolls, i got back in the game less than 1 month ago

so yeah

i only have 1 bastion of might

[novel ruin]

You do lose a bit of defensive value in Avatar

[woven trellis]

i could use a 465 piece of azerite to get a 2nd

instead of my 480

but ive been advised not to do it

[novel ruin]

15ilvl is a lot

[woven trellis]

yeah

but like

[novel ruin]

Do you have slit shoulders?

Skit*

[woven trellis]

yes

[novel ruin]

480?

[woven trellis]

yes

[novel ruin]

Is that your only BoM piece?

[ionic fern]

Just link your r.io. It makes this whole conversation easier.

[woven trellis]

yes

well its my ingame name here

[ionic fern]

https://raider.io/characters/eu/hyjal/Turmoil

[woven trellis]

character isnt optimized i know that btw

as i said

i just got back 1 month ago

trying to make the best with what i have

[novel ruin]

Fix azerite, you’ll be perfectly fine

[woven trellis]

it takes a lot of time sadly

its like weeks to choose the good one

[novel ruin]

If you aren’t mythic raiding, yes it does

[woven trellis]

well i have no mythic guild

i went back too late

[novel ruin]

How far is pugging these days?

[chilly brook]

Even with crappy azerite I dont think it should be that huge of an issue

[novel ruin]

5/12?

[woven trellis]

with my rio? i only get accepted in 3 on 12

[chilly brook]

@woven trellis there are guilds looking for tanks if you actually look

Wowprogress is your friend

[woven trellis]

i m goin on holiday end of august

its just not an option

[novel ruin]

@woven trellis I wouldn’t care too much about BFA at this point

[woven trellis]

exactly

[novel ruin]

But do find a guild depending on your goals for SL

[woven trellis]

i just want to maximize my chance to be able to time some 23 or 24 before sl

[novel ruin]

Right now is the best time to trial

[woven trellis]

well

im on the right guild already

they just did a breake

its a casual guild doing mythic raiding

which is perfect for me

they had to stop before sl at like 9 on 12, with half of them being also on the bench of other guilds doing 12 12

i dont plan on leaving this guild, but it doesnt help me for now

[novel ruin]

They raid with multiple guilds?

[woven trellis]

half of them, have alts helping other better guilds on their alt runs

its kind of a small network

[chilly brook]

Idk chief taking a break at 9/12 with several months left doesnt instill confidence to me

[woven trellis]

theyve been doing this for a long time

[chilly brook]

Although I have different aspirations

[woven trellis]

yeah well

[chilly brook]

Raid>m+ for me

[lean arch]

worth using?

[woven trellis]

im 30 and have a lot of priorities sadly, and this guild only requires 2 x 2,5 hours in a week

which is not a lot

[chilly brook]

@lean arch probably what are your other options?

[lean arch]

pretty much anything

all mythic raid stuff

[chilly brook]

My current guild is 2 nights a week 3 hours and we're starting N'zoth this week

[woven trellis]

but, to get back on the subject, bastion of might seems pretty big to me, even if masterey isnt that great its like 700 master at very high uptime

[chilly brook]

@lean arch then probably not because vita/scale are a better combo

[woven trellis]

by bastion

[lean arch]

darn ok

[chilly brook]

Yes BoM is good

No

It's not worth 15 ilvl

[novel ruin]

Idk I prob would use it over regular mythic scale

@lean arch

Unless your scale is socketed

[lean arch]

yea

[novel ruin]

Then nah

But if it wasn’t I would use over it

Rezans isn’t much worse than Scale

[chilly brook]

They're both good trinkets

You're not gonna go wrong either way tbh

[novel ruin]

^

[chilly brook]

So if you prefer rezan you can use it

[novel ruin]

Leewcccchh

[chilly brook]

Giga haste if it procs with Vita

[loud patrol]

guys in which piece of equipment i place my 2 inefable truth?

[novel ruin]

Rings and wep/shield are solid places if you won’t be replacing them

[loud patrol]

fuk

ok rings it is

[toxic remnant]

Finally ready to do some 30s

[novel ruin]

Pog

[civic rover]

should i just buy a bunch of expedients since it's end of the xpac and just mess around with it

[toxic remnant]

Mess around with TD better

[blazing gale]

that depends only of content you're doing nothing else

[novel ruin]

Achieve the 1 GCD thunderclap Dream

[warm plinth]

What

the fuck

o_o

[bold atlas]

guys, is this item good?

[warm plinth]

No

Also, you should learn win+shift+s

and utilize it

[lean arch]

link your phone picture again plz

[blazing gale]

please use win shift s

this actually hurts 😄

[bold atlas]

sry haha

just a sec

[novel ruin]

It’s a bad item, don’t use unless it’s 10ilvl higher than what you are currently using

[bold atlas]

Better

[warm plinth]

I'm so proud of you

😊

[bold atlas]

😆

[sick sentinel]

i got boots again

5 times boots, i protest

[mental scarab]

Lul

[loud patrol]

Guys i wanna start a list for boss and trash mobs abilities that can be reflected with spell reflect

[vocal skiff]

pretty sure there already is one

[blazing gale]

yup there is one

[loud patrol]

aw

can someone link it to me pls?

[slow wolf]

I see your Anodized Deflectors and raise you...

[warm plinth]

My warrior has almost that exact item lol. Just TD2 instead of 3

[bold atlas]

lol

[still pagoda]

BLIZZ

PLEASE
GIVE ME SOMETHING GOOD THIS WEEK

[civic rover]

how about platinum plating

[steep bone]

475 socket speed

inc

[modern brook]

Bro ur nuts for opening ur weekly chest in prot spec tbh

Id rather get a 475 2hr than a 475 tank trinket

[steep bone]

actually ive bis shield now

so dont need to do that anymore xD

[cedar stump]

So I'm stacking vers as I'm just getting into 22+ keys now, but I had a question. Is haste that much better than crit that I should take say an item with 180 haste and 150 vers over an item with 150 crit and 180 vers? I feel like the extra 30 vers is worth it since im running all vers amps.

[steep bone]

haste

and more haste

[cedar stump]

haste is always better then crit then?

[steep bone]

i mean if you're stacking vers

then probs find 465 haste vers

with better vers than crit/vers piece

[cedar stump]

So specifically Im looking at pants

the best ones I can find with haste vers are legplates of beaten gold

but they have very little vers on them

[woven trellis]

is there a better potion than the abyssal one

[steep bone]

crafted one are solid

so are ra'den's

[blazing gale]

@loud patrol I can look for it when I get back home from work, should have it in bookmarks

[cedar stump]

ok, ill stick with the gold ones then. I just had a 475 Leg plates of charged duality which had a lot more vers on them but crit instead of haste

[still pagoda]

Id rather get a 475 2hr than a 475 tank trinket
@modern brook 475 geti*

https://tenor.com/view/anime-sparkle-happy-gif-6014346

13 and a half hours till EU weekly reset

[steep bone]

i don't even play other specs than tank

and getiku for dailies is yikers

[woven trellis]

so

lets say i get the vexiona chest

which has BoM + Darkness

is it really still an awful idea to put that instead of my bad 480

?

[sweet summit]

what is your 480 and are you vers stacking

[modern brook]

Yes its a bad idea

Fully assuming the question is in regards to Heroic Vex chest

[sweet summit]

idk id do it if its a giga shit 480 if hes vers stacking 🤷‍♀️

[modern brook]

if hes verse stacking and doesnt have access to M raid gear or a decent chest roll yet

[still pagoda]

really

[lament gulch]

Outside of the m vex chest the mechanized chest from mecha is bis right?

[woven trellis]

its vengeful

[still pagoda]

Outside of the m vex chest the mechanized chest from mecha is bis right?
@lament gulch

Ashvane warden and mecha chest are both great

[sweet summit]

vengeful is BfI+IF ye?

[woven trellis]

blightborne infusion + brace for impact

[modern brook]

definitely not

BBI is dope af

BFI is playable

15 ilvls is pretty good too

[woven trellis]

ok

[ancient reef]

whats resist cap this week

[sweet summit]

NA is 113
EU is still 110

[limpid pawn]

What does the eu crew think of na I’m curious

Are we memes

[sweet summit]

🐒

sorry that was toxic

[woven trellis]

btw, is it still necessary to be from the profession to equip an item

[sweet summit]

yes

[woven trellis]

damn

so if i quit engineering ill lose the ability to wear my helm

[sweet summit]

yes

[woven trellis]

sad

[sweet summit]

yes :(

[distant crystal]

i think you can still keep your belt enchant tho

so if you're planning on dropping engi slap a knockback tinker on every belt you own first

[still pagoda]

What does the eu crew think of na I’m curious
@limpid pawn

We're memeing everything in WoW community

NA, EU, RU

pugs, rng, timegating

[woven trellis]

ill keep engineer, its my only helmet 480

ill be engineer alch

[sweet summit]

if you hve HC nzoth thats good

[woven trellis]

i dont

[sweet summit]

ah

[woven trellis]

ill def wear it tho if i drop it

[jolly hawk]

Evening guys, possible silly question - what is it that really ramps/scales prot damage? Shield ilvl? Weapon ilvl? or just generally higher ilvl scaling of damage?

[strong forum]

weapon ilvl is the biggest contributor

[civic rover]

weapon item level, avatar+thunderclap, corruption

[strong forum]

followed by haste and crit

assuming you have already ideal corruptions and are actually capable of pressing your buttons in the correct order 👍

[jolly hawk]

and when you say weapon you specifically mean the main hand yeah? its only cos im still repping a 400ilvl shield and am tempted to drop 300k on a 475 shield if its a huge investment

[distant crystal]

of TD's

[strong forum]

buy that shield

asap

shield is your single most important item defensively

[distant crystal]

does ss dps scale with shield ilvl at all

[strong forum]

apart from the stats, no

[jolly hawk]

thanks 🙂

very helpful

[strong forum]

if you wanna play the game, you need a good shield

[sweet summit]

you are a good shield

[strong forum]

[modern brook]

bro save ur gold

300k for like 2 weeks of playing a spec?

[sweet summit]

did u see the new PTR update

👀

[orchid frigate]

???

!!!

tell us

[sweet summit]

https://discordapp.com/channels/148872210742771712/360637715651493900/742816016484270142

[strong forum]

pre-patch

on ptr

which is VERY BAD

[sweet summit]

yeah

im concerned
if thats how you spell it

[strong forum]

anybody that has any clue knows this is bad

[novel ruin]

@strong forum why is it bad?

[orchid frigate]

yupp

[warm plinth]

Because it's way too fuckin early to have pre-patch on the PTR

[orchid frigate]

^

[strong forum]

way too early to start testing that

[novel ruin]

Oh, no more changes

[strong forum]

when beta is literally broken

and half of everything is about 10% tested

[novel ruin]

I see

[strong forum]

it also indicates a soon tm release

which is also terrible

[novel ruin]

Beta has been a better experience than BFA beta

[strong forum]

maybe before they wiped everything

now its pre-alpha again

[novel ruin]

I haven’t done anything since they wiped stuff, planning on spending my wow time on beta this week

[strong forum]

hf having to farm literally everything

and being unable to test the systems quickly

🙃

[novel ruin]

Get to try that leveling experience

[strong forum]

yeah cuz thats an important part of SL

[civic rover]

woah now you don't like the idea of spending 10-50 in old content???!!!

[novel ruin]

I’m talking more 50-60

[sick sentinel]

ahhh yeah 5TD 2IT 1exp3

feels good

[strong forum]

👌

[civic rover]

i bought some expedients to put on extra gear pieces to mess with it

ran a 2IT TD2 4exp3 build, was pretty fun ngl

[novel ruin]

Big pawg

[civic rover]

not 100% sure what the damage difference is though

[sweet summit]

[novel ruin]

Eww simming

[civic rover]

might not be too off, considering more haste=more procs

[novel ruin]

[civic rover]

GROSS

[modern brook]

whoa prepatch cant be on ptr

Im not 3k yet

T-T

[still pagoda]

whoa prepatch cant be on ptr
@modern brook

WAIT WHAT?

[sweet surge]

I have 8x Versa III, isn't Ghost Elixir far superior to Flask?

[still pagoda]

[modern brook]

wait why do i get tagged

it was nom/erga's news

[still pagoda]

https://www.wowhead.com/news=317388/wow-ptr-updated-to-version-9-0-1-shadowlands-pre-patch

i'm not even 4k yet

[sweet summit]

@sweet surge math doesnt add up, where is the IT

[modern brook]

I have 8x Versa III, isn't Ghost Elixir far superior to Flask?
@sweet surge its 148~ verse for you

[sweet surge]

@sweet summit Just recently started tanking, don't have IT yet, but soon

@modern brook Isn't that better than 360 str for tanking?

[modern brook]

🤷‍♂️

Ultimately you Verse stack casue u dont want to die to abilities that cant be avoided at super high keys

so if you're pushing keys where grease gun will murder you otherwise yeah sure

otherwise str probably wins out for the overall scaling and damage

[sweet surge]

I do 23-25 keys for now

[still pagoda]

so if you're pushing keys where grease gun will murder you otherwise yeah sure
@modern brook

OR just take peacekeepers

[modern brook]

sometimes theres not enough robutts

[still pagoda]

yeah

for 1-2 jockeys u

[modern brook]

@sweet surge honestly its a judgement call I'd say

[exotic spoke]

Meh, not worth the hassle imo. Doing keys last night and I wasn’t the issue

At 25s and such

[modern brook]

^ thats been my experience as well; though admittedly i cap out at like 15s on my tank

[exotic spoke]

It was the dps / healers who were having problems

[strong forum]

it really isnt "vastly" superior

its 160 vers vs 360 strength

so like 1.5%/0.75% vers

my SS is 22.004 with str flask

and 21.670 with ghost elixir

dmg*

[modern brook]

bro how does europe not confuse themselves using . instead of ,

[strong forum]

we dont use either

i just made it simpler to read

we use 21670

[modern brook]

I mean same but still

[strong forum]

so offensively its actually a dmg loss, even with 7x vers3

[modern brook]

I mean thats unsurprising

[strong forum]

yah its a incredibly irrelevant min max

[modern brook]

If i agree with nom enough do i get yellow name too?

[exotic spoke]

No

[strong forum]

🎱

[still pagoda]

i'm just gonna be rather active in SL

Maybe yellow role... I don't care to be honest

[sweet summit]

imma be outahere, pwarr in SL omegalul

jk

probably staying

[still pagoda]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/251506565394333696/742364879356428338/734179434877288542.gif

it will be really unfortunate

if SL launches during my October uni session

[strong forum]

hah stoopid students

[still pagoda]

well, i can always complete it faster

so...

[steep bone]

@still pagoda \o/

[brittle owl]

imma be outahere, pwarr in SL omegalul

[strong forum]

you just watch me

at the reverse top of rio score

[still pagoda]

@steep bone not pushing today

[brittle owl]

i'd prob care about io score if i didn't raid

[steep bone]

im so close to 4k

gotta get it

[brittle owl]

even then, big question mark

you either push keys or casualul

[strong forum]

unless they implement a ranking inside wow

[brittle owl]

to be honest

[strong forum]

and offer proper glad equivalent tmog mount and title

its irrelevant

[brittle owl]

imagine competing with neets who play 12h/day

[strong forum]

its the same as with d3 leaderboards

[brittle owl]

only chance you have is the last patch of the expac

since it's long enough that their bruteforcing isn't relevant

sad part is that's 3ish patches of "hurr durr i saw top x tank player play dis what's duh deel"

[strong forum]

yuh

[still pagoda]

[exotic gazelle]

hey guys... is it possible to tank dungeons in any spec like in classic?

[strong forum]

not at all

only tank specs can tank

[exotic gazelle]

@strong forum ok thanks 🙂

@strong forum do you know anything about the "party sync" leveling trick i keep hearing about?

[strong forum]

na i havent leveled since Cataclysm

[loud shoal]

Nom waits until the last major patch of an expansion when max level char boost is available to purchase

[novel ruin]

I feel called out

[still pagoda]

@strong forum do you know anything about the "party sync" leveling trick i keep hearing about?
@exotic gazelle

You can skip 60-80 by using party sync on lvl1 toon in the group and doing all the shit in dustwallow marsh

just use partysync with trial account

It'll work perfectly

[exotic gazelle]

i got a large amount of alts i wanna level, and suddenly i was made aware of this "party sync" leveling method... im not entirely sure when it is beneficial and faster to level this way...
so i make a trial account and have a level 1 party sync with whatever character i wanna level? Does the level of the character that i wanna level matter? I see many youtube videoes on this topic, and ppl always do it on a high level character (like 90-110ish). Does that make a difference?

@still pagoda

[still pagoda]

yes

a lot

the whole thing with party sync is that it allows you to abuse high amount of low effort quests in vanilla zones to level through 60-110

[novel ruin]

Or just do it during pre-patch when it’ll take 10 hours

[still pagoda]

^

[exotic gazelle]

@still pagoda @novel ruin isnt it just as fast to level atm? with looms and 100% exp?

[still pagoda]

no

it's a fucking slog on live rn

[steep bone]

if you remember my unluck with UR i think it's gone now

[strong forum]

hes pushing it

[civic rover]

just would like to say

TD2+2IT+4 expedients

POG

it's actually so fun

[novel ruin]

@exotic gazelle I believe it takes about 30-40 hours to go from 1-120 with the average person

[exotic gazelle]

@novel ruin @still pagoda weird... i just talked to the guys on the speed leveling forum and they say leveling speed of prepatch is identical to now with 100% buff... im confused 😄

[still pagoda]

leveling on prepatch is less annoying

which speeds up the process for those not speedrunning

[ionic fern]

Stolen from Paladin discord.

[novel ruin]

We are talking 1-50

[ionic fern]

🤷

[still pagoda]

still a useful info

so...

6 hours on main

1 hour break

6 hours on alt

GO NEXT

[strong forum]

1hr break?

6hrs?

who teh fuck takes breaks

[civic rover]

method

#world2nd

[mellow patio]

Breaks are for casuals

[loud shoal]

hmmm an alt? I don't know about that

[mellow patio]

Play for 30 straight hours have 6 characters at 60

[toxic remnant]

Imagine playing anything other than warrior lmao

[tepid thorn]

@steep boneyou could stick in td2-3 and still feel invulnerable in 23s(my honest advice)

[distant crystal]

yeah but you need a warrior for each covenant

[toxic remnant]

Shiiiet what about legos? Will I have to delete my warrior and start over again if my first legendary sucks?

[distant crystal]

you pick your own

for some reason blizzard decided not to do random leggos this time

[toxic remnant]

Damn Blizzard catering to casuals yet again by decreasing the amount of rng in game

[steep bone]

@tepid thorn if you play correct yes. Im not

[sweet summit]

imagine playing correctly when you can just let vers carry you

[distant crystal]

i play as if i was being carried by vers

but i'm full haste/crit

[sweet summit]

[distant crystal]

but that's what rezzes are for

[steep bone]

another 23 to collection actually might get that 4k

[distant crystal]

Idiotwithbow

[sweet summit]

[steep bone]

wait thats new emote

😮

or im blind

[sweet summit]

[distant crystal]

i hadn't seen it before

[sweet summit]

he didnt know

[distant crystal]

i was looking for a proper emote and found that

[mellow patio]

[brittle owl]

yo btw

i just wanna know

who tf is xeos

[sweet summit]

the man who wants a kissy

[brittle owl]

@potent zephyr yo who are you

your emotes are lit

[sweet summit]

[potent zephyr]

[brittle owl]

except this one

this shit whack

[potent zephyr]

wanna be banned?

[sweet summit]

you cant ban people

[potent zephyr]

[brittle owl]

[deep steppe]

just SR it

lmaoooooooooo

[brittle owl]

get flected bitch

[mellow patio]

[sweet summit]

[brittle owl]

[deep steppe]

[distant crystal]

cat's owner is actually just pushing his head to make it look like he's jamming

[brittle owl]

yo

[distant crystal]

you've been sold a bill of goods

[brittle owl]

nobody asked you shit

you either jam

or you not

[civic rover]

[sweet summit]

Any jams

[civic rover]

imagine not having discord nitro 😐

[brittle owl]

sucks to be poor

[sweet summit]

[civic rover]

wouldn't i be better off financially if I don't spend money on unnecessary things

like the ability to use animated cat emotes

[sweet summit]

Dont need nitro to jam

[still pagoda]

[distant crystal]

lies

[deep steppe]

animated cat emotes are the best emotes doe

[sweet summit]

The cat cant jam

He died after getting bonked by mwahi

[civic rover]

it amazes me how many people spend $10 a month on a free service

[brittle owl]

come on and slam

and welcome to the

[sweet summit]

Imagine being poor tho lmao

[brittle owl]

[sweet summit]

[civic rover]

TIL choosing not to spend money on useless things=being poor

[brittle owl]

yo

[sweet summit]

Its a true fact

[brittle owl]

you either jam

[civic rover]

but ngl

[brittle owl]

or you don't

[civic rover]

the cat emotes do be kinda cute

[brittle owl]

[sweet summit]

THEN COME ON AND JAM

[deep steppe]

[mellow patio]

[loud patrol]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/741127114845061211.gif?v=1

[pastel sleet]

so this whole xpac, i was told to only have 1 DC. but now i see some top warrior logs running 3 BM and 3 DC. is that the play?

[distant crystal]

no

[still pagoda]

last seasons

S2 in particular

now? no

[pastel sleet]

okey just making sure

[distant crystal]

3DC 3BOM was the dps play in the past

but thunderclap got nerfed p hard

[tame garden]

[pastel sleet]

ty

[mellow patio]

anyone want some on their toast

[vocal skiff]

Just did a very smooth siege, amazing how pre +20 it's better to not have any on death affixes for this dungeon

tyrannical dragged fights a bit, but not that much

and it's so liberating not to have to deal with the small mobs

[fervent chasm]

Is there a general minimum haste % I'm looking for as Prot?

[civic rover]

IIRC 22% is when you can do three consecutive shield blocks

[warm plinth]

Which is virtually impossible not to hit because of ITF

[fervent chasm]

so 22% self buffed should be more than enough

[warm plinth]

Yeah there's no real breakpoints that are reachable

[fervent chasm]

awesome, thank you!

[civic rover]

I’m at 34% unbuffed on my TD set I think

[sick sentinel]

What good is running Ineffable Truth?

[grand drum]

Double dips AM, and cdr on kick, SR, block

[sick sentinel]

So is the key to use it when you get an IT proc or hope you just get one as your CD's are on CD

[steep bone]

why would you want to hold on cds until IT proc

[sick sentinel]

I guess I don't know the correct interaction with it

[grand drum]

If things are on cd the proc shortens the cd, its dynamic so you dont need to snapshot ability uses for the procs

[sick sentinel]

Ty

[kind spindle]

If you got 2 rank 1 ITs you can spam thunderclap on basically every gcd too

[novel ruin]

No you can’t

[kind spindle]

Oh
Feels like it lol

[novel ruin]

Yes it feels like it but it isn’t every GCD

[kind spindle]

Ah

[grand drum]

Only in avatar

[novel ruin]

No

[steep bone]

still nop

it only looks like it's ready but its not

[kind spindle]

I stand corrected my bad

[novel ruin]

There is a breakpoint with enough haste/IT that you could reach it but idk where that is

[steep bone]

is it even reachable haste

[novel ruin]

With enough IT, probably

But I don’t know the math behind it

[grand drum]

Probably 100% IT or more

[stark sage]

tclaps CD is 4 seconds with 0% haste and UF
you'd need to reduce its CD to .75 which would require like 250% haste assuming no IT

[steep bone]

[novel ruin]

@sick sentinel With IT 60% It dips with Anger Management talent which for every 10 rage we spend, it reduces a bunch of stuff by 1 second. During an IT proc with 60% it’s more like 1.6 seconds off the cooldowns. It’s pretty big

[sick sentinel]

Do people typically run IT 1 or IT 2?

Or 2 1's

[steep bone]

top players just run it1

[novel ruin]

2 1s

[steep bone]

but normal ones 2x rank1

[cinder pasture]

2 1's, uses less corruption than 1 rank 2

[sick sentinel]

Shit, I was hoping to not spend Echoes on that this week and save for Friday lol

[steep bone]

just save for r3 vers

[sick sentinel]

I have 3 Vers 3's already and I bought 1 IT today

[bitter sparrow]

Which Zandalari Loa for M+?

[steep bone]

then get another it and put it on piece you're not gonna swap in nearest future, you've plenty of time to farm echoes until vers3 goes off anyway

[novel ruin]

IT is way more important than TD or Vers to get @sick sentinel

At least if talking for M+

[sick sentinel]

Strictly M+ so I appreciate the advice and help fellas

[steep bone]

Im legit missing 89 pts and no pugs are doing my missing keys ;__; rip 4k dreams

[novel ruin]

@steep bone it’s okay 👌I didn’t do any many keys this week so only got to 4500

Last week*

[steep bone]

my mates literally left me with 24fh

[novel ruin]

Still gained like 400io

[steep bone]

and pugs inted it so fkn hard on first boss

[novel ruin]

Feels bad

[steep bone]

well i was gaining giga score since my keys were mostly 18-19s

imagine inting FREEhold

on forti

[novel ruin]

With no Eudora

It was literally the best FH week

[steep bone]

it still is for couple of hours for UE

EU*

[novel ruin]

GL

[steep bone]

and i can't be arsed going 23

[novel ruin]

2 chest

Get 25 JY

[steep bone]

man

quality of pugs

compared to my grp

its like jumping from legit keys to pepega 15 weekly no leavers pls know tacs bring brain flask food.
legit lost brain cells in that fh

[novel ruin]

Lol

[steep bone]

didn't know you can int so hard with 4.2k XD

[novel ruin]

It’s okay, I had a person pull mobs for me the other day in Waycrest 25

[steep bone]

yikers

[novel ruin]

He was a 5.1k warlock

[steep bone]

YIKERS

[pastel sleet]

math question. if i have 20% vers dmg reduction. and i then use shield wall. am i then at 60% damage reduction? or am i at 52% damage reduction?

[novel ruin]

They multiply against one another

[pastel sleet]

so 52%?

[stark sage]

yes

[novel ruin]

Yes

[pastel sleet]

okay ty

very helpful

[novel ruin]

Best thing about vers is that you don’t need a healer, just spam health pots

[craggy willow]

What is the best way to get a character dump into this channel (kinda like /simc) so I can have people smarter than me pour through all my stuff and give me some pointers on what to use/not use. How much Haste vs Vers vs Mastery. My stuff is just all over the place right now and need some help getting organized so I can actually tank some M+.

I actually have a Prot War/ Blood DK/ Prot Pally all within 3 ilvl of each other and all three are a damn mess. I really want to just focus on the Warrior.

[steep bone]

get your items in bag do /simc and give string to someone who's interested in checking your toon.
ALso you don't want any items with mastery, either ilvl>haste/crit or haste>vers if you're going to stack vers, eventuallny ilvl>crit/vers.

[distant crystal]

you can just run any topgear sim with your /simc output

and link that sim

[warm plinth]

You can also just run a sim

Yeah

Instead of dumping a string

We can just click run sim again and it'll let us see everything