wait do you have IT
#protection
steep bone
still pagoda
Not even the bosses would survive a lucid major combust
@worthy leaf
We're talking prot warr
worthy leaf
ah
novel ruin
VoP is one of the easiest essences to get
worthy leaf
cns op
novel ruin
No
still pagoda
CnS minor*
novel ruin
Yes
still pagoda
CnS major is situational
steep bone
as minor is nice
still pagoda
at best
tacit sedge
Working on VoP
novel ruin
You can grind out VoP in 2-3hours
still pagoda
i'm using CnS minor in some keys
steep bone
can you actually skip r2 grind?
novel ruin
I think so
steep bone
if so then it's giga free
strong forum
i love wcm
still pagoda
just where i'm not going to do particularly GIGA pulls or don't have something that would kill me(last 2 bosses in ML)
sweet summit
Waycrest kinda owns
still pagoda
Lucid all the other time in +21's and +22's
sweet summit
When you get top left 
strong forum
didnt break 100k tho 
steep bone
i can't lucid major
strong forum
idk i like top left
steep bone
my corruption gonna be scuffed ;_;
sweet summit
Top right? Im out
steep bone
or actually i can hmm
sweet summit
Yeah i ment it owns when u get top left
sweet summit
Damn
novel ruin
I love pulling 3 captains, 3 guards and witch
tacit sedge
So I'm going after VoP this week should be easy indeed
still pagoda
steep bone
https://www.wowanalyzer.com/report/DJycK6GHmWwdRC2p/33-Mythic++Kings'+Rest+-+Kill+(29:00)/Scarecow/standard im not sue how accurate wow analyzer is but @tacit sedge
novel ruin
I did it on 25 this week @strong forum
Though on the 26 I skipped the Pat
But pulled courtyard matron into goliath
novel ruin
I would if I had a team to skip courtyard Matron
tacit sedge
You did use last stand 12 times out of 29 minutes
@steep bone It has 2 min CD right? So could have used it maybe 2 times more
warm plinth
It has a 2 min BASE CD. But it's affected by Anger Management
tacit sedge
True that.. should use it more often
steep bone
but in such low key you rpobably don't have to use it at all since mobs gonna die in SB uptime
novel ruin
I mean you don’t really press LS unless needed
warm plinth
Yeah it makes sense to not have huge uptime of LS in a 9
novel ruin
12 times already seems high
steep bone
warm plinth
What you want to watch out for in a 9 is getting used to using LS as an oh shit heal
steep bone
but this is yikes :p
warm plinth
Because that shit won't fly in higher keys
tacit sedge
What is, Waifu?
steep bone
You used lucid dreams only once per whole dungeon
sweet summit
That WA is "only" relevant on zul, two last bosses ML and P1 king mechagon. Everywhere else you dont care about capping IP
steep bone
on zul you don't shield block just spam ignore pain and chain cds
i mean 'spam'
just use it basically
tacit sedge
Because he does little melee damage?
steep bone
because his melee damage is meaningless it's very little and his basically pure magic dmg
tacit sedge
Fair point
steep bone
on +9 you shouldn't ever die to zul
especially with lucid dreams major that gives you imba rage recharge
tacit sedge
But that's mainly because my essences arent as I want them to be yet
steep bone
or don't play it major, get vop instead, alot easier to learn tanking without that extra button to press
tacit sedge
So didnt pay too much attention to them up till this point
ill switch to vop asap
you're right its alot of buttons coming from guardian druid main
sweet summit
His melees actually fuck, but he doesnt melee very often
Compared to hoe often he uses the shadow shit
steep bone
if you have action bars visible or some cds weak aura it's fine
but there's streamers plugin for Details!
tacit sedge
ah cool, got that disabled but will enable it
action bars are visible and got a few WA's for shield block/ignore pain/last stand and avatar
tacit sedge
I see, looking good
steep bone
but not like it's needed, if you've action bars visible you still can see what's off cooldown
obtuse yoke
can you do all gloom horrors in 1 pack on a 23 WCM
tacit sedge
yeah true, sometimes i find it hard to see with al those global cooldowns refreshing
tame garden
Zul melees start to hurt eventually
tacit sedge
thx all, will update my essences and pay even more attention to cd's and wheter to use IP or SB
btw waifu what did you mean by IT?
strong forum
insufferable twats ineffable truth ( corruption )
obtuse yoke
can you reflect the gloom horror claw in waycrest
strong forum
yes
obtuse yoke
hype
strong forum
dont need to worry much about them, theyre gone in ~2months
tacit sedge
Yeah thats why
strong forum
unless you plan on big boi playing
steep bone
goodnight
steep bone
i wouldn't risk it tbh
strong forum
i mean it is doable, but wonky and can go south real quick
steep bone
^
strong forum
a fuckton of healing potions
steep bone
if you never done it before
strong forum
a fuckton of frontals
steep bone
don't
strong forum
a fuckton of lightning bottles
royal rune
lightning bottle hurts ey
steep bone
do it on 2-3pulls instead tbh
royal rune
its like 300k
strong forum
and a billion poisons
steep bone
and hey, you can chain elemental if you know how to pull him on top of the boss 😄
strong forum
unless you can instantly blow them up with an UHDK and lust, it aint worth it tbh
strong forum
ToS is easy enough as it is, theres no point rushing it
vers is boring
i played a total of 3 keys with full vers
never again
TD3 minimum, i hate doing less than 90k overall
strong forum
all of em except workshop temple and kings rest
steep bone
big pulls yay
royal rune
i might pull that in junkyard
steep bone
llucky procs yay
royal rune
what key level?
steep bone
in junk you've zap anyway
royal rune
yeah i was getting above 120, but went down to 100
strong forum
incidentally that 120k was in a 15
warm plinth
Lightning in a bottle isn't a must kick; you can move out of that (it always spawns on the tank and you shouldn't be stacking on the tank in the first place due to cleave)
strong forum
not in the 23
royal rune
k thanks ghash
warm plinth
In that room, the healing potions are the only thing you want to kick. And you want to cc/purge the drain buff so your group isn't taking unnecessary added damage
er, the only thing you need to kick
You can purge/kick electric scales as well, whichever works better for your comp
warm plinth
JY, like it is every week
warm plinth
Temple is pretty free, Freehold, TD
vocal skiff
is there any point in pulling the elemental into second boss in temple if you don't have the mage to spellsteal and do more damage
maybe an enhance that gets higher damage from a second target
novel ruin
It’s efficient. Saves you 20-30seconds since most high level groups skip the next pack
meager raft
Hi guys i have question, what the most efficient corruption build for N'zoth MM
steep bone
TD
and 2x IT
or more td without IT but that i cannot vouch for, dunno if it'd be good
meager raft
Like td 5 ?
meager raft
Ok thx
obtuse yoke
is there bad rng % with infests in wcm?
i did a route that should have been 104%, but we ended at 100.00%
obtuse yoke
then idk what went wrong
main vault
maybe you missed one of the patrolling packs or something
languid juniper
i've been running few boralus this week (23-25 range). But can you fucking avoid getting the Cursed Slash debuff in any way.
Without spending the classic 30 € free win boost kekw
warm plinth
It's reflectable I'm pretty sure
languid juniper
it would get rid of 1 stack anyway, not 5
getting in a pack and having 15*5 %dammage taken is not really fun
warm plinth
Er
The slashes typically all happen at once
And if spells happen at the same time, you reflect all of them
civic rover
just victory rush heal
sick sentinel
How to survive ticks pull bursting?
civic rover
in UR?
sick sentinel
they do a damage debuff , but i think it is frontal only , and you can CC them out of doing it
languid juniper
You have way less marauders
warm plinth
Yeah well, Blizzard allowed their hatred for alliance to show too much in Boralus if you ask me
That dungeon is completely fucked on alliance side
languid juniper
All the pulls after 1st boss contains mauraders on alliance side
warm plinth
Maybe it's your penance for having a more organized capital city
languid juniper
Its not the worst thing but when you get 8debuffs + bursting stacks you quickly realise how fucked up that is
warm plinth
Yeah I hear you
languid juniper
Tbh i hate boralus as a city
sick sentinel
dazar is worse
languid juniper
But zuldazar is too big 😶
warm plinth
I mean, Dazar'alor looks better, but Boralus is more convenient
civic rover
nah i fuck with the seaport town theme
warm plinth
No taking flight paths to use half the shit
sick sentinel
boralas looks awesome, giant damn in the ocean
warm plinth
But yeah, Alliance's penance is Siege of Boralus and having to fly to Mechagon
languid juniper
Hey we got shadowmeld
sick sentinel
prison on an island close by
sick sentinel
horde vs alliance in a nutshell
civic rover
i think dorf racial is op just for that affix
sick sentinel
are you kidding me, come on, i never knew this
civic rover
it's a long cd but if you're in a tight area it's pretty nice
sick sentinel
gives a bunch of armor too don't it
sick sentinel
good quasi defensive
sharp night
10% phys DR for regular dorf, str for DID
novel ruin
Think flat physical DR
sick sentinel
used to be a small amount of armor on classic
still pagoda
i have an idea
novel ruin
Completely different systems
novel ruin
As a guild?
still pagoda
or just a group
sick sentinel
if i could afford it i would boost a bunch of gnomes/dwarfs on some ally server
novel ruin
Why gnome?
still pagoda
understandable. I have always thought of vanilla as of a ghost of the past
sick sentinel
pvp, harder to target
still pagoda
pvp, harder to target
Harder to target
Nameplates: Am i a joke to you?
novel ruin
Imagine playing a Draenei in 2020
sick sentinel
still pagoda
i've been playing draenei and only draenei before moving to horde lol
novel ruin
That’s such a TBC thing
still pagoda
Imagine playing a Draenei in 2020
@novel ruin
Yes, I've been doing so from January 2014 to May 2020
before moving to horde
novel ruin
Why go horde?
halcyon pasture
Hello. Im looking for some advice. With 2 ineffable truth 1, do I still run vision of perfection major? If not what major should I use? I was thinking The crucible of flame for raid and Aima of life and death for M+ (around 15/16 M+)
still pagoda
especially EU's second biggest server, Гордунни
novel ruin
CoF for raid
still pagoda
on which i've been playing since then
sick sentinel
vision of perfection
still pagoda
Is that Greek?
@novel ruin
Russian. Greeks don't have their own servers and occupied Kazzak instead
Гордунни is also second biggest EU alli hub
sick sentinel
passive to proc ur shit, ur avatar at reduced rates
novel ruin
Ahh
still pagoda
yes
another reason to move to EU horde from RU alli is insanity going on in RU guilds
and the whole thing with raiding ethics
I don't want to raid 4 nights a week without getting CE/<WR300
novel ruin
@halcyon pasture VoP actually works incredibly well with Ineffeable
sick sentinel
if you have avatar/demo/shield block you will survive 99% of melee damage
virtually unkillable when avatar proc
novel ruin
@still pagoda I’m trialing with 7 hour 250 world guild on Wednesday
still pagoda
@still pagoda I’m trialing with 7 hour 250 world guild on Wednesday
@novel ruin
Same but 6 hour 600WR
4th week of trial coming soon
novel ruin
4 weeks of trial???
still pagoda
yeah, welcome to EU
sick sentinel
how do i know if i have the correct set up for big pulls or not?
novel ruin
@sick sentinel In what fashion?
Do you have CDs? Speed pot? Know what’s dangerous? Told the team what to kick? Dps have CDs? Healer mana okay?
languid juniper
Just pull. Go hard or ho home
still pagoda
@novel ruin
EU servers are really different in that regard. Trial process during farm always takes longer here
sick sentinel
m+ a DH and lesser extent mage got upset that "wasted group comp potential, didn't know or wasn't listening" i was just following what was marked on the MDT from dratnos
languid juniper
Key lvl ?
sick sentinel
16?
languid juniper
Fire mage complaining in 16 ... Yikes
novel ruin
@still pagoda I can understand it since teams are preparing for Shadowlands and Most CE guilds want to push higher rankings
sick sentinel
16 TD, we made it to the 2nd obelisk, healer melee yellow, die, GG
novel ruin
Fire doesn’t do damage in 16s
novel ruin
And how do you waste a DH potential?
sick sentinel
DH was very adamant that i could take bursting, and he would pop dark everything was going to be okay.
warm plinth
As a havoc main, I will say that Darkness is not that reliable lol
novel ruin
^
languid juniper
There is no big hp target they dienfairly quickly
warm plinth
It's better than nothing but it should never be something you plan to survive something around
languid juniper
Or the big hp ones are done with the cannon
languid juniper
Yeah but ppl dont like turtles
novel ruin
Jes floor is a bit iffy besides 1 pack
languid juniper
iTs HaRd To InTeRuPt
languid juniper
I dont
novel ruin
I do 2 with whole beach then 2 on boss
languid juniper
My melee dies to it
sick sentinel
i think what the DH was angry about that he was going to put down more magic shit thing rune i think? and mage would do super buff, and i'd have 25 mobs, and they would eyebeam and meteor it
novel ruin
Tell em to kick or stun then
sick sentinel
i think that was the DH vision
novel ruin
You ain’t pulling 25 dangerous mobs in Td and living besides beach
And you don’t tank all of that on beach
You kite
languid juniper
Main issue is them not doing it rather than them being aware of it 😩
novel ruin
That’s on them, not you
novel ruin
So if they get upset, tell em to look in the mirror
still pagoda
RU is even more different. The main difference is that whole "the more you raid the faster you'll get it and no other way" shit that got me annoyed over last years i've played on RU realms.
It is literally impossible to find a guild getting CE on RU while raiding 2-3 nights a week 3 hours each. All thanks to the brute force attitude... Such shit got me burned out out of WoW heavily during Uldir and BoD(including the 500 pulls no CE moment of mythic G'huun)
Guilds falling apart every half a year, which is also really disappointing tbh @novel ruin
novel ruin
@still pagoda Switch to NA, be my m+ tank and I’ll either heal or dps as shadow in SL
languid juniper
still pagoda
@still pagoda Switch to NA, be my m+ tank and I’ll either heal or dps as shadow in SL
@novel ruin
Switched to English speaking EU
much better tbh
sick sentinel
how do i learn to do the shield block running away thing
still pagoda
I would go to NA servers i'd lived in Vladivostok, but you know... Our family doesn't left this quiet bay 19 years ago
novel ruin
Don’t turn more than 89 degrees
main vault
tbf though, Dratnos routes dont account for Comp, and should be adjusted
languid juniper
I still didnt get FH and WM but got a shitton of KR TD and SOB 
main vault
But also
novel ruin
Read MDT and dungeon journal
main vault
His fault for playing Fire in a 16 tbf
warm plinth
@obtuse yoke Just had a chance to look at your route. My best guess if you didn't get a witch that you thought you were going to, and maybe had some infests go off (you lose the forces for the maggots that successfully cast infest iirc)?
sick sentinel
i can't believe how many azralon shamans there are
novel ruin
Yup
main vault
I hate that it DRs
warm plinth
Bring back warbringer!
sick sentinel
i see where they are going with infest affix tho
main vault
Tauren probably worst race for m+ because of that
sick sentinel
can u imagine some noob group goes in doesn't know about it, spreads 100 times
novel ruin
@sick sentinel how big do you pull Waycrest?
novel ruin
Most groups do hallways plus Raul room in 3ish pulls
main vault
I mean if you are only doing 15s
novel ruin
True
Then do w/e
It’s hard for me to know what it’s like being a 10-15 m+ player. Feels so long ago.
warm plinth
I think we do more pulls than that tbh. I think normally 5 pulls total for hallway+Raal's room, maybe even 6 sometimes
sick sentinel
so, i'm supposed to do 2 pull courtyard even with bursting?
warm plinth
I mean in a pug I probably wouldn't
novel ruin
Bursting is a pretty non-affix
sick sentinel
usually that gets broken into like 3 pulls
warm plinth
Bursting is a pretty yes-affix in pugs
novel ruin
Do all dogs at once with thornshaper
Or just pull em 1 by 1. Usually enough time in all dungeons for 15s in time
sick sentinel
i don't always ty to be so brave
novel ruin
failing is one of the quickest and most efficient ways to improve
tame garden
Implying other classes are hard
main vault
Is your friend a green parser though
sick sentinel
he's a holy pally pvper
split wyvern
Did your friend get crushed in PvP by a DH?
main vault
so even worse than a green parser
sick sentinel
he's a simp
still pagoda
@sick sentinel i actually agree with your friend
90% of DH's in pugs are retarded
and boosted monkeys
tame garden
90% of wow players*
dark lark
Hey guys, in 24+ temple of sethralis, the conduction mechanic from aspix has been one shotting my dps. Are you guys taking Safeguard for that?
dark lark
In that particular run it was a holy priest but I normally run with a druid
tame garden
Ah ye with no external from healer safeguard is an option
dark lark
They only cast it once before switching lightning shield right?
So it'll be back around the next time?
tame garden
Ye once per phase
dark lark
So far our strategies in earlier levels was using personals for Static Shock, then Rally/Tranq for the second Static Shock
So I was worried about calling for personals for Conduction
So healer external for Conduction, go tit
tame garden
well
static shock goes off right after conduction pops
can cover both with most personals
dark lark
ohh
limpid pawn
void hill
Anyone know of a good WA that shows Bark, Darkness, etc for the party
not ZT's stuff but actually off on it's own
distant crystal
you can just make a copy of your ZT frontend weakaura
i have 2 copies with different things selected
distant crystal
1 for kicks and 1 for personals
void hill
ty
distant crystal
np
sick sentinel
do you want duration or cd
hardy mesa
Jes Howlis a decent trinket for us to use?
distant crystal
the go-to on-use trinket is psychic shell
then usually vita/scale/alch depending
novel ruin
You always go vita/scale until you either need Nzoth trinket and or Alch stone
distant crystal
i still like to put on fang sometimes tho 
sweet summit
With warden major, yeah
brittle owl
fang still slaps for dps in non mdi settings though
mellow patio
if you like to pump, pump the fang
vocal imp
are there any macros for thunder clap shield slam combo or avatar dem ?
marble cipher
@limpid pawn how do you pull off the rogue trick at final ToS boss? We tried it a couple of times but didn't get it consistently
mild dune
what would generate more agro on single target, just hitting the target normally with my abilities or spamming heroic throw?
strong forum
Abilities
Heroic throw does generate alot of aggro, but not enough to keep aggro without spam taunting
strong forum
I'd say yes, if you're going to be pushing with full vers gear, 90k also isn't alot of Gold
ionic fern
Threat generation is tied to your damage dealt.
Heroic Throw has the "increased threat" mostly because it deals such low damage.
strong forum
If you're not gonna use it, you can sell it for way more
ionic fern
Iirc it's like x4 multiply on Heroic Throw for threat.
real orchid
Lol saw one on azralon for 15k the other day
But of course that doesn't include xfer fees
strong forum
Post that in trade chat a couple times, and see what people will offer tbh. Sheeple will insta buy that
(it's going to have 0 value in 2months so might aswell just flip it)
real orchid
Well I'm just seeing one on my local ah
onyx vessel
taunt heroic throw charge ss
forever threat
or tclap with avatar up
i still struggle with threat sometimes in keys but its normally when avatar isnt up
or some idiot td procced and ripped
using td as a dps in m+ 
ionic fern
I do that.
Well, i use it as a healer since it's all i have.
So sad to see TD proc when i'm miles away from the enemy.
brittle owl
that sounds like a you problem
what kind of healer are you if you can't see the woons happening
ionic fern
A horrible one.
brittle owl
ionic fern
Rank 28 healer on my realm for my class.
EASY.
Too bad no one plays Resto shaman.
😂
ionic fern
True.
I did play resto druid for the first time after a long time tho..and it was like 100% easier than Resto Shaman. 😂
Made me big sad.
ionic fern
"easier" as in i diddn't know the class nor had the proper keybinds but i rarely ran out of mana and healing was so much easier.
Jeah, Resto Shaman is fun.
I just wish i could dispell poisons.
😦
brittle owl
getting cleansing totem back right?
sweet summit
It was onlt easy cos you had a god tier tank @ionic fern 👀
ionic fern
Not sure @brittle owl tbh. Haven't seen anything about it but there's a high chance i've just missed it since i haven't read all the resto shaman changes yet
brittle owl
think i saw it
ionic fern
Definitely not Erga.
It was me carrying the group.
Also, when are we doing a 15? 😂
Wait, no..i think i already did a 14 so i'm fine for the week.
sweet summit
After i hit 5k
brittle owl
no cleansing totem
ionic fern
I tried to pug keys over the weekend..made me remember why i gave up pug'ing.
ionic fern
And they were only like +20- +22 keys with people around 3.6k score and dying to the most simple things like the fires in AD or standing infront/not interrupting the Maggot in UR.
I did pug as a tank. 😦
brittle owl
did you tell them to git gud
ionic fern
No. Too polite for that.
brittle owl
such a good boi 
ionic fern
I gave up with the AD after i had to explain to the 3.5k hunter how to pull enemies away from the pillar so we could run in and he can join later.
"Pull them away and FD".
Hunter:OK!
Misdirects me as the tank, attacks enemies, FD's
👍
sweet summit
😂
ionic fern
And ofc every run starts with the "IDK WHERE TO STAND AS RANGED IN FIRST LEFT PULL OF AD!!!"
And then you're stuck wondering.."How on earth did you get that r.io".
sweet summit
😂 😂
ionic fern
Pugging was fun in Legion. :(
There you could control most things and all the DPS had to do was..DPS.
But now there's like 100 different things that put responsibility on DPS'ers to interrupt/avoid/stun etcetc and it's horrible. 😂
sick sentinel
it’s fun if you like that stuff like i do
it punishes uncoordinated groups so hard
brittle owl
honestly m+ in 8.3 is almost perfect
you literally stomp weekly to middling keys
and you need to have a group for higher keys
ionic fern
It's hard to find a balance for cordination needed for dungeons while taking into account PuG'ing and dedicated groups.
brittle owl
idk fam shit seems pretty balanced rn 🤷♂️
sick sentinel
if i had friends i wouldn’t care about pugging
brittle owl
theres people pugging their way to 5k
sick sentinel
we aren’t talking about push w 15s
and yeah
you can get lucky and do that
meta specs have such a wide range of skill compared to io though
brittle owl
it should be a rarity rhough
ionic fern
Pugging up there is mostly tied to "i got all the good people in my friends list so i'll invite them"...so it's not really PuG'ing now is it. 😂
sick sentinel
4k dh probably not even good
brittle owl
not really
sick sentinel
yes really for the most part
brittle owl
theres a dude in felhammer whos like 5.something k just pugging randos
sick sentinel
he’s the only one i know that pushes
brittle owl
isaure
sweet summit
closely connected or appropriate to what is being done or considered.
sick sentinel
there’s multiple types of people in m+
undone sun
Lmao
ionic fern
I mean, i'm not saying it's IMPOSSIBLE to pug - what i'm saying is that it's a lot harder than it used to be and can turn frustrating really fast.
sweet summit
I cant invite a vdh sadly
sick sentinel
oh no there goes all my active mit pepehands
strong forum
laughs in shear
brittle owl
you don't even know why warrior is better in 29's or 30's do you
sick sentinel
stop talking to me
brittle owl
you keep on railing about this activ mit retardation
brittle owl
no but you're preaching a distorted narrative
brittle owl
right
sweet summit
Can i get a uhhh 30% dr on the mage? And maybe a spell reflect? Hmmm
brittle owl
was gonna get to that yeah
undone sun
brittle owl
mostly the 30% dr on the mage
undone sun
Ok buddy
sick sentinel
ook ook
brittle owl
@undone sun you're not relevant anymore save your breath ok buddy
undone sun
strong forum
sweet summit
Whats ttyl
undone sun
talk to you later
brittle owl
for someone who's not even 20 you're very boomerlike in your vernacular erga
ionic fern
What is a boomer even.
sweet summit
the language or dialect spoken by the ordinary people in a particular country or region
I dont understand what you mean mate
idle idol
hey guys, im looking at the spreadsheet and im looking at block value DR, it looks like 5 ilvl on shield is nearly 1 % damage reduction for physical damage, any1 maybe know if this account for mastery or not ?
sweet summit
What would mastery change there?
brittle owl
don't look just at block
idle idol
crit block = double block = more damage reduction
brittle owl
shields have the most armor of any item piece as well
idle idol
im just trying to figuere out is it worth dropping a 465 shield with bad 2nd stats for 460 with bis stats aka high versa
ionic fern
Don't drop ilvl for shields.
sweet summit
If u wanna buy the boe shield, buy a mythic version
idle idol
they cost too much
sweet summit
Just get lucky in weekly chest 
idle idol
boe shields didint go down in value that much since they are hard to obtain and has high price cuz most ppl wont kill mythic ilgy
sweet summit
Does that matter if they kill ilgy or not
idle idol
yeah i get boots/gloves in every chest
well id assume if the only shield that drops in raid is from a boss deep into progression, most plebs wont get it, in return since theres nowhere else to get a shield for a bad player but get lucky in m+ cache or buy it, u would automaticly increase the price on the boe since u either buy this or u prob wont get a good shield
atleast thats how i would think
sweet summit
Ye that kinda makes sense
idle idol
i have 61 corrupto with the better shield
oh wow u guys have pepsihands
sad u cant use emotes from other channels 
raven knoll
anyone of you guys played vengdh this patch?
raven knoll
i have a fully equiped havoc dh and was thinking trying vengance out. but not sure how to playstyle is. i like the one of warriors very much
marble cipher
it's .... different 😄
I played it from time to time and must say that I like VDH playstyle, it's fast paced, with quite a bit of utility.
But, there's also a degenerate shear build that is really good for higher keys, and I hated that one, so I stopped 😄
sweet summit
Idk how to explain that tbh. You keep up DS or Meta. Fracture for souls, dump souls into SpB, dump pain into Soul Cleave
Got some sweet sigils u can use
And big leaps
raven knoll
hmm i see thanks guys. i liked havoc very much its a very simple but yet fun specc. think im gonna try out veng too
brittle owl
depending on what keys you do
you use glutt instead of spb
and at some point you swap out from fracture to FtD
ftd+glutt is literally tankier than anything in the game
if you don't get one shot, you live, just by mashing shear
raven knoll
so its a one button specc? 😄
marble cipher
ftd+glut and shear spam, basically yeah (not really but boring imo)
raven knoll
okey thanks for the help guys
strong forum
Turns you into smth that just laughs at zul
raven knoll
does veng deal dmg at all?
strong forum
Not much without TD no
You rely on corruptions to do dmg for you, bet it lash or TD
With frac+spb you have decent dmg, but not as much as warri
raven knoll
i see, yeah i guess no other tank comes to the dmg a warrior can do rn
brittle owl
sustain aoe*
on sustain aoe druid is better by kit, but that depends entirely on fight time
which in m+ it usually goes the way of pwarr
grave sorrel
hey guys, is VoP a good major on 19-21 keys?
sweet summit
Yep
You could use lucid too, if you do big enough pulls where you need the extra survivability
Or just want more control over your hp bar in big pulls, at the cost of overall dps
grave sorrel
oh hey again Erga
Got it, so Vop more for dmg i guess, since it procs avatar.
btw i found the WA for upheaval lol, gona practice a bit laters
grave sorrel
sorry bud whats "little wigs"?
summer lotus
you guys prefer little wigs over dbm?
ionic fern
Yes.
undone sun
@grave sorrel it's big wig's dungeon module
summer lotus
If I remember tho, some guildies used it and the timers were a lot "off" on some abilities
ionic fern
Never had that issue.
summer lotus
maybe they r just pepega and not update the addons but yea, they started counting 8,7,6 .. i was so confused cause my dbm was still on 15 seconds
mental scarab
Bigwigs over dbm all days of the week, so much easier to setup 🤩
brittle owl
dbm is extremely intrusive
summer lotus
how do you do pull timers then
since most ppl in pugs use dbm, I imagine dbm pull timer does not show for bigwigs and vice versa
undone sun
it does
brittle owl
^
there are also modules
to trick the other that you're using the opposite addon
for very strict raid leaders
summer lotus
well again then, my guildies are pepegas then cause those that use big wigs didnt see my dbm pull timer
thanks tho
halcyon pasture
Hello. Im looking for some advice. With 2 ineffable truth 1, do I still run vision of perfection major? If not what major should I use? I was thinking The crucible of flame for raid and Aima of life and death for M+ (around 15/16 M+)
ionic fern
Don't run Anima. Never ever.
halcyon pasture
I also notice that the top io wars use C&S major
ionic fern
VoP is still fine, you can also try Lucid in m+ if you want to - just use it properly.
strong forum
All you do is /pull @summer lotus and it works for both addons
halcyon pasture
@ionic fern can you tell me how to use it properly please? Or where to read up on it?
sweet summit
Spam IP
ionic fern
Roughly that tbh.
You will be generating a lot of rage during Lucid and you want to be careful not to waste any of that rage.
This means that you will be forced to "spam" Ignore Pain as to not waste any rage.
Another thing to keep in mind is your rage bar before using abilities like DS (BV) - if you are at 40 Rage and cast DS you will lose a lot of rage due to BV granting you 80 Rage instead of 40 while Lucid is active etc. So be mindful when you are using your big rage Generators.
halcyon pasture
Thank you
strong forum
Lucid is cheating
sweet summit
no u
strong forum
😳
sweet summit
barren torrent
brittle owl
delete that space 🗞️
modern brook
why is there a white square under it
@sweet summit after careful calculations, that is a white rectangle
sweet summit
wdym thats what i said
brittle owl
there's also this
sweet summit
🔬
brittle owl
still pagoda
modern brook
I have a meeting in 10 minutes and I'm begging for it to be canceled
sweet summit
uhoh
brittle owl
shove 2 fingers down your throat
say you have coronalike symptoms
selfquarantine for 14 days
???
profit
undone sun
sick sentinel
just make some bullshit up
solemn venture
Jockeys grease gun. How can I optimally make sure my melee dps do not get 1 shot clapped while tanking peacekeepers? Ran a 25 ML and had some turbo feeding happening.
solemn venture
Nah, not int’ing. Just dying, running back and dying again on the next grease gun
modern brook
@solemn venture ur dps need more verse then 🤷♂️ alternatively you can pump ST stuns into them
I'm like 95% sure gun is random target
Although if im wrong; then its a proximity target, and your melee need to position better
sick sentinel
in league when you die after enemy tags you, it gives them xp, so you are literal feeding them gold and xp
brittle owl
that's kinda "the play" in high keys
modern brook
and mechs are free % on any non bolstering week
brittle owl
grease gun is 100% rando
sick sentinel
and if you int there, you do something bad usually on purpose
modern brook
put the goblin into the mech or else it gets the gun again
brittle owl
if your route must have jockeys in...idk stun rotation and kill them prio i guess
but x doubt to the must
modern brook
also x to doubt
that requires your DPS to be able to focus 1 target and kick an off target
thats too much for most 3.5k-ers
sick sentinel
those robots don't do anything
solemn venture
Change prio and stun lock 🔒 kk
brittle owl
charged claw doe
modern brook
the robots do things
sick sentinel
they barely hurt at all
brittle owl
gotta yeet sometimes
sick sentinel
fast % mobs
brittle owl
wouldn't say fast is the correct term
more like, efficient
that could just be me being a pedantic phuck
sick sentinel
so, yes, fast, because makes you do key faster over all
still pagoda
grease gun is only killing people if you pull more than one at a time
solemn venture
Nah, it def 1 shots
still pagoda
most deaths in our +22ML run yesterday were from double grease guns
into one target
solemn venture
25 ml 1 shot my dh and war
still pagoda
of course it will start so at that level
:D
damage ramps up really fast between +21 and +25
solemn venture
Question is how to handle. Think it’s peacekeepers or avoid
exotic spoke
Peacekeepers aren’t that bad. No one can stand infront of them really. Other than that they don’t hurt too badly.
If you do start to chunk due to charge claw you just kite a bit since they stop to fast a bunch
brittle owl
eh depends how big brain you pull them
you can desync them
but it's alot of faff where you can just instead yeet while their charged claw goes away
midnight coral
any tips for workshop last boss when you have 3 melee players?
brittle owl
don't stand in bad, stand spread out in second phase, stand max melee range in first phase
max melee range in second phase as well
his hitbox is the size of continental USA
unique osprey
Hello, im new to tanking 15+ dungeons, i havent got any Ineffable truths. Can i do without it? or does it really help me? i think this week it will be sold by mother and i can buy some more vers corruption too. Running TD rang 3 atm combined with 4 rank 2 vers corruptions.
still pagoda
easily
sick sentinel
truth help only when you are already using cooldowns, but yes
still pagoda
you just need a shitton of TD
Hello, im new to tanking 15+ dungeons, i havent got any Ineffable truths. Can i do without it? or does it really help me? i think this week it will be sold by mother and i can buy some more vers corruption too. Running TD rang 3 atm combined with 4 rank 2 vers corruptions.
@unique osprey
The best way for you is to go full TD in that range
modern brook
^ ignore verse go full damage
still pagoda
all-in on budget till 59 total corruption
modern brook
Unless you really plan to be pushing 25+s with your newly rolled warrior before prepatch
🤷♂️
unique osprey
no im trying to get to about +20's
still pagoda
ignore vers then too
modern brook
t w i l i g h t d e v e s ta t i o n
still pagoda
pillow suit is not needed until +24 keys
summer lotus
TD ineffable as filler
still pagoda
R3 is not needed really
just a QoL boost
cba farming pvp rn
especially with another round of paperwork waiting for me tomorrow
coral marsh
how do you deal with the roaming trash before the middle boss of junkyard?
the big pack?
it just oneshotted me
coral marsh
do you los it for better stack?
still pagoda
patrol pack should be pulled separately
unique osprey
@still pagoda i'm using VoP major with Lucid, Warden and Conflict as minor
still pagoda
@still pagoda i'm using VoP major with Lucid, Warden and Conflict as minor
@unique osprey
Good then
Lucid is a high key thing
still pagoda
you won't have much use out of it in keys below +21
what do you mean with separately?
DO NOT PULL 2 PACKS WITH THE PATROL BLYAT
sweet summit
dont pull patrol onto something else
still pagoda
^
still pagoda
^
sweet summit
idr the name
coral marsh
the patrol itself oneshotted me i dont have vers corruption
still pagoda
hit'n'run ability of these mobs fucks
sweet summit
what key level?
coral marsh
20
sweet summit
yeah, that
still pagoda
then it's on your group
sweet summit
then you did something wrong, nothing oneshots on a 20
still pagoda
^
modern brook
^ sounds like u pulled into bursting stacks 🤷♂️
frosty wren
then you did something wrong, nothing oneshots on a 20
^this
modern brook
and or walked into a bomb
sweet summit
like, i played a +20 junkyard with full ineffable corruptions and ravager, and timed it
you do not need vers on a 20
coral marsh
may be actually true the first time i wanted to los behind corner and second time I was kinda done already
hopefully it was that
modern brook
@sweet summit
coral marsh
when i losed dps insta damage and wipe
coral marsh
just this trashpack
still pagoda
just don't pull shit like mongo
frosty wren
Use ip and sb
still pagoda
i usually charge into the pack
coral marsh
dps insta start hitting
still pagoda
with no fucking reason to LoS it
coral marsh
was over after that anyways
sweet summit
anyone got one drop of IO to spare
coral marsh
they are stacked harder that way
loud shoal
negative
sweet summit
Sadge
warm plinth
I’ve been insta-gibbed by that pack on a 18 before. Run n gun trucks
sweet summit
boost me luigi
loud shoal
I need to get boosted man
sweet summit
nice
loud shoal
what a bargain
shell ibex
does stacking 3x impassive visage only mean a hps boost or is it somewhat mandatory?
warm plinth
There's no such thing as a mandatory inner trait
coral marsh
on the second boss in junkyard is focusing down trixie a fail?
frosty wren
No
warm plinth
Killing either of them significantly before the other is going to cause a wipe on a relevant key
shell ibex
dont know if i should grind for azerite gear with 3x impassive visage, since i will never be able to pug vexiona azerite chest
frosty wren
U want to kill them simultaneously, but it won’t wipe your group instantly on a yard+20
warm plinth
Impassive Visage is literally not something you care about. You take it if it's there but there's no world in which you seek it out
Not sure who told you it mattered to stack it, but they were wrong
frosty wren
@shell ibex outer rings is what u care about
shell ibex
my outer rings are pretty much fine, got 3x bastion, just need 1 clap trait
warm plinth
You don't have DC on a single piece?
shell ibex
i do, but i have to sacrife 1 BoM for it
warm plinth
Do it
shell ibex
isnt the mastery gain a big defensive and offensive gain that i dont wanna sacrife ?
warm plinth
Not as big of a gain as Deafening Crash. DC is literally worth sacrificing ilevel for. BoM is not
shell ibex
aight, cheers
strong forum
Can finally uninstall
sweet summit
havent gotten a ToS key yet
strong forum
I thought you were better than this
sweet summit
im sorry dad
strong forum
Son, I am disappoint.
ionic fern
Meanwhile
still pagoda
just because i didn't push much this week
strong forum
I'm not, haven't done more than weekly no leavers in more than 2 months
Accidentally got 40 score yesterday
still pagoda
but it's still higher
strong forum
Psh. 3.8k is like 2k
still pagoda
@brittle owl
This Wednesday
brittle owl
pog
still pagoda
i'm just a tank trial
sweet summit
still pagoda
steep bone
@still pagoda https://raider.io/characters/eu/kazzak/Waîfu
WHY it doesn't show 3611
warm plinth
I'm at 3558 atm. We have a 22 KR to do tonight
still pagoda
but we've only started
strong forum
Kr is comfy wdym
strong forum
S OMEGALUL B
still pagoda
warm plinth
We got the KR from the 23
warm plinth
That's a big key
still pagoda
maybe tomorrow
warm plinth
ez timed
still pagoda
we timed 22 yesterday
with only 1 minute left
but that's because of few mistakes with trash pulls before first boss
that did off-set BL timer
warm plinth
yeah ML has a really generous timer
sweet summit
What
sweet summit
I died on zul, but we killed him first so its ok 
sick sentinel
kings rest is alot of fun until axe bitch and shadow of zul
sick sentinel
i wiped so many tim to axe lady 😦
sweet summit
I ran lucid and null man he fucks