yes
#protection
sick sentinel
if i see a 17 ml tonight i may try it
novel ruin
and safeguard only handles 2 out of the 3 ticks
novel ruin
thats on them
steep bone
@still pagoda first cutscene in horizon literally eats 15gb of my ram with almost full 8gb of vram lulw
novel ruin
if they need to be safeguarded, they need to come to boss hitbox so i charge a short distance so i dont show my back to a melee or even worse, a tail thrash
then they go back
still pagoda
@still pagoda first cutscene in horizon literally eats 15gb of my ram with almost full 8gb of vram lulw
@steep bone
novel ruin
no reason for them not coming in to boss since debuff lasts for 9 seconds
still pagoda
that's literally it
sick sentinel
still not your fault the healer died though
still pagoda
Devs not accounting for lower bandwidth of all non-server PC setups
steep bone
@still pagoda this console style camera is giving me seizure 
still pagoda
just as shitty camera setup in AS Unity gave me nausea
still pagoda
@steep bone one really good recent PC port i remember is Gears 5
hushed cobalt
How is using 2x it1 with rest vers3 better than just going full vers3? Because the cdr gain from it1 makes up lost cdr from less haste, and more SB/SR uses?
warm plinth
Look at my baby prot war 😊
still pagoda
How is using 2x it1 with rest vers3 better than just going full vers3? Because the cdr gain from it1 makes up lost cdr from less haste, and more SB/SR uses?
@hushed cobalt
2xIT1 is basically mini-lucid. Helps out a lot not just in base, but in its double dipping of AM and sometimes pretty neat things with your main DPS abilities
grand drum
Sr, kick, sb uptime for example
still pagoda
this is what Tsar mentioned right away as cdr gain
but AM double dipping is one of the biggest benefits
every 50 rage spent inside 2xIT1 buff will count as 80
hushed cobalt
Ahhh hmmmm didn't think of the dipping with AM part. Got 40k echoes atm and want to try out vers build, but didn't want to miss out on it1 next week
still pagoda
i would personally go for 6-7xVers3 + 2xIT1
hushed cobalt
With that much vers are TFB worth caring about?
still pagoda
and will do so on August 14th
With that much vers are TFB worth caring about?
Nah
they just pop out and die
barely doing any damage
even with hybrid(TD3+2-3xVers3+2xIT1) you won't feel many
hushed cobalt
Excelllllent
I didn't look into cns major much and thus didn't know it quickly ramped up stacks and doubled the gains, which piqued my curiosity
still pagoda
choice between lucid and CnS depends solely on the dungeon
since both are really strong
also
pugging after this week will become MUCH worse
i'm glad i've finally formed a group
hushed cobalt
I usually have me + 2 or 3 others, grabbing one pug usually ends up fine
still pagoda
it was 3 of us
me and 2 French friends who play on Hyjal
decided to make a group last night
and did so today
Well, it was me looking for last 2 DPS anyway
hushed cobalt
At least you have a solid healer (?) 👌
still pagoda
first apples already dropped
mostly mistakes that should have not happen
like uninterrupted casts and catching of stuns
including both pepegawipes
that happened exactly because of this
hushed cobalt
Timed at least, so you got that which prob turned into a KR
hushed cobalt
Oops 2 bleeds? Good bye worlddddd
still pagoda
we've also fixed that rogue in a matter of one key
from being below the tank in 21UR
umbral yarrow
What’s best WA for cds
still pagoda
to being at least on par with other DPS in 22FH considering usual low DPS of outlaw @hushed cobalt
also
these 2 wipes off-set timer by about 6 minutes
hushed cobalt
Next time, 2 chested!
still pagoda
we have only started
- we have pretty pepega comp
What’s best WA for cds
@umbral yarrow
Whatever you like personally
hushed cobalt
I don't like outlaw rogues, very polarizing dps wise for me. I go assassination cause 3 echoings and 65% crit makes for melted trash
still pagoda
these guy was at least on par with other DPS on big pulls
in keys after +21UR
so it was basically a matter of helping him out with optimizing Blade Flurry usage
sick sentinel
outlaw is for utility mostly
hushed cobalt
I'm assuming they should be way higher 🤷♂️
Hopefully they tricks tho
still pagoda
outlaw is for utility mostly
Just like any other rogue spec
sick sentinel
no
still pagoda
I'm assuming they should be way higher 🤷♂️
Hopefully they tricks tho
The guy at least knows utility stuff
sick sentinel
no one else has gouge or vanish cdr
hushed cobalt
I like to think my assass rogues utility is 3(or 6) targets doing 15% less damage for a bit.
still pagoda
I like to think my assass rogues utility is 3(or 6) targets doing 15% less damage for a bit.
@hushed cobalt
Exactly
limpid pawn
someone watch and tell me something we could have done better
hushed cobalt
Can you intercept heartseeker if cast on someone else in last boss in ML?
hushed cobalt
Was drill smash target, and leapt away; didn't think of intercepting then leaping. Target was healer, who died to it (was a ML19 this week)
still pagoda
well
also
if you asked about vers set for these keys
abandon this idea
not worth it to go full pillow suit until +24/25 keys
hushed cobalt
I doubt I get up there, so it would be purely a shiggles build to spend echoes on
still pagoda
i would spend on expedients or strikethroughs/severes instead
hushed cobalt
There's a few limiting factors to my group for pushing
still pagoda
having a DPS spec is really convenient
hushed cobalt
I raid arms, have full exp3 set
still pagoda
There's a few limiting factors to my group for pushing
The only limiting factor to the our group is "pepega comp"
which it won't really be
hushed cobalt
Dare I ask what pepega comp is..
hushed cobalt
Friend of friend invites me to heal/dps and there's a spriest in the group. Its a joy seeing a bazillion ghosts floating towards a trash pack
hushed cobalt
I'm pretty sure the priest is maxed out minus a 470 here or there. But sockets corruptions and ghosties galore
still pagoda
hushed cobalt
Had a ww monk who recently took a hiatus, stacked some vers cause cba to move out of bad
still pagoda
R28 DPS priest on his server
Had a ww monk who recently took a hiatus, stacked some vers cause cba to move out of bad
Unironically, you either go vers as WW or go home with zero DPS
hushed cobalt
As long as he doesn't die every trash pack
Spriest battle!
I'd pay gold to watch that
sick sentinel
ppl might rag on you for playing full vers for your 15s
but I say go wild
live your best life
still pagoda
ppl might rag on you for not* playing full vers for your 15s [w]
[2]*
but i say go wild
TD27
hushed cobalt
I bought a few rp3 and dunno what else to buy. I have a druid guidlie who would heal and go kitty more
I have enough td1/2/3 to mix and mingle as cloak gets up'd
TD and pumping in junkyards is my jam, makes me feel spicy when I top overall
sick sentinel
i was watching a video earlier today of some under rot key
the tank DC maintained aggro, and didn't die
still pagoda
hushed cobalt
Waffle cat makes this clickbait work
limpid pawn
anyone have a video of a hunter soloing those things in ToS?
sick sentinel
are DH always edgy shit talkers when they don't get their way
still pagoda
are DH always edgy shit talkers when they don't get their way
@sick sentinel
All DH's below 4k rio are trash
with this week
every DH below 5k rio
sick sentinel
yeah, well, i just dinged 2k io, so im trash too.
sick sentinel
DH was mad that i wasn't doing big pulls he said in tol dagor. not making use of team comp he claimed
healer i think attacked yellows on 2nd ob, dies, DHrage.exe has been started
cinder storm
Wait, you can SR Wicked Frenzy UR?
still pagoda
Wait, you can SR Wicked Frenzy UR?
@cinder storm
Not the Wicked Frenzy
but Wicked Assault debuff
which is already enough to warrant using SR for it
you SR it and then start kiting
right away
cinder storm
Yeah that one, I usually just stun it
still pagoda
you just use your SR during Wicked Frenzy cast
and first application of Wicked Assault will be negated
cinder storm
Good to know
cloud tangle
Do you stack full vers or haste?
still pagoda
Do you stack full vers or haste?
@cloud tangle
Depends on key level.
For everything below +22/23 it's ilvl > haste > crit > vers > mastery
Going full vers is redundant before +24-25 keys depending on your comfortability with the spec
undone sun
cloud tangle
Ok ty.
sick sentinel
i learned pretty early on NEVER stand in the blue swirlies on final boss
cost me a key timer at one point got double tapped, dead, never do that again
still pagoda
I learned well to never stand in ANY swirlies except for ones on KJ
undone sun
that fight was pretty counter intuitive
stand in swirls, go towards explosions
¯_(ツ)_/¯
civic rover
iirc you need like 22% for prot to feel playable but if you can hit 30-35% before into the fray that's a really good percentage to be at
undone sun
😡
heavy whale
26.62% is my current haste prebuff hopefully i can run a 20 on this 😄
civic rover
@sick sentinel how much you can pull depends heavily on the dungeon and comp, and the capability of the group
like if your comp is BM hunter, fire mage, boomkin or something, and you're doing shrine, yeah don't pull a lot in the beginning.
still pagoda
iirc you need like 22% for prot to feel playable but if you can hit 30-35% before into the fray that's a really good percentage to be at
@civic rover
I'm sitting at 39% before ItF and food
heavy whale
hell yeah thank u guys
still pagoda
Don't take DHs into your group
At all
If DH isn't 5k rio he's definitely garbo
Or a boosted monkey
civic rover
and for vers, you'll know when you need some vers. good rule of thumb is if you're asking yourself is you need vers you probably don't need a lot of it. @heavy whale stay safe soldier
sick sentinel
i just try to ignore all the ragers and run the damn key to be fair
cuz i'm already raging IRL doing the crap
civic rover
yogi you probably aren't doing anything wrong, this might be somewhat unpopular but i think dratnos routes are pretty fuckin good
like if you're pugging keys that aren't super high they're generally solid routes
i still use his shrine route
sick sentinel
shrine was always a giant pain in the ass
civic rover
shrine sucks in pugs because in the first area it's kinda inefficient to only pull two or three casters at a time but in pugs thats what you have to do
sick sentinel
i have wiped to that place so many god damn times,
civic rover
and last two bosses are tough
civic rover
It’s a pretty pug unfriendly dungeon
sick sentinel
alot of it is bad tank play
stand it something too long, use ability i could have used later better
healer can't focus on dps in that time, someone dies.
civic rover
you can do a lot to improve runs as a tank for sure. it's good that you're focusing on your mistakes too.
obtuse yoke
how do we deal with things like shadowy cleave and other WCM shit that trucks us
lime bluff
just walk backwards and make sure no dps is behind u
pliant geyser
hey guys what the bis shield from dungeons, is it the one from junkyard with the absorb?
civic rover
generally just whichever one is highest ilvl, but i think it's the motherlode one thats crit haste
the mecha shield is kinda trash but most important thing on shield is ilvl
pliant geyser
ah i see
how about for 1handers
should i go for one of the proc ones
or just haste vers 1hander
civic rover
again, item level more than anything
if you can get either the heroic carapace mace or the mythic wrathion sword those are excellent choices
pliant geyser
im a little low to get into heroic cara groups i think , i mean i could tank it since i tank it on my main tanks but this guys only 462
so might be hard to get into groups
civic rover
might be hard to get into groups but you can definitely do it with ease
i got aotc on both monk and warr at like 440 ilvl
civic rover
i like dh tanking
pliant geyser
oh my pally and druid are about even geared
lime bluff
ooh sad days
pliant geyser
and hes 479 and 2.7k io
im only 4/12, we almost got hive down but kept wiping at 20-ish %
i need to find a community that pugs it and does the first 6 or something
i know and can do all the fights i just dont have the people to do it with :\
misty trellis
That’s about where I’m at too, but we finally got Hive down. We finally stopped trying to do the cc strat on the last darters and smoothed things out
lime bluff
bruh thats about where i was 1 month ago
then just got 20 randos to agree to form a guild
pliant geyser
me or him
lime bluff
lol
misty trellis
I just picked up tanking on my warrior cuz our main tank wanted to try out her warlock
lime bluff
ilgy prog tmrw
pliant geyser
ohh
misty trellis
So I’m still trying to figure out prot war to a degree cuz I haven’t ranked since Kara was current content lol
479 so ilvl is there, but my corruptions are a hot mess
misty trellis
Yes equipped 479 now. And yeah haste versa is the goal but since I just finished fixing my fury set again I’m low on echoes and need to stock up so I can get proper corruptions
Atm I think I have exp3, TD1, and a random echoing void from a piece that happened to be highest ilvl and good stats
pliant geyser
do you not just faceroll with td6 on war tank like you can with DH?
chilly brook
Faceroll with TD on all tanks
misty trellis
I could do that too. I just slapped together pieces I had laying around, and was fortunate to have a mythic wrathion 1h on me and a 465 shield. Using 475 wrath and Maut trinkets atm
civic rover
maut trink kinda booty ngl
misty trellis
Yeah, little bit. I was unsure if ilvl logic applied to trinkets too
misty trellis
I have every nya trinket available to me. Both tank and dps ones.
civic rover
scale and vita is very very good
misty trellis
Are the EP trinkets still strong? The ashvane and queens court ones sounded pretty solid.
distant crystal
i just scuffed a 25 WCM so hard it was +22 points from a 21 in time
civic rover
urchin isn't like, bad, but haste is your best defensive stat because anger management
which is why unless you're in a position where you need nzoth trinket, double haste trinkets are OP
misty trellis
Ill stick to vita scale then. I don’t really want to consider touching EP for them lol
civic rover
cmon, you dont like farming old raids for trinkets???
misty trellis
Nah, just EP in particular lol
Can’t stand the entire instance and everything getting there
I spent a while farming for a coral for fury and tbh I like using my vita and 470 butchers block better
pliant geyser
you use razor coral for fury?
grave sorrel
Guys I have full haste mast gear with 8x exp, how good is mastery for prot?
Thinking to dabble in tanking from arms ☺️
dark lark
mastery isn't great
mellow patio
It’s our least valued stat
dark lark
with the haste setup you'll do fine tanking up to 20 or 21
if anything i'd look for twilight dev
hell, atrocity tanked up to 24s/25s in full expedient gear way early on the season
grave sorrel
Ah yea I do 20/21. Don't think will ever get to 25 lol. Only thing I gotta swap out now is the two hand for a heroic raid weap and shield.
And my pocket trink - for either a fangs/Reza + vita
dusky igloo
How is it that mastery is our worst stat and yet Bastion of Might is so good a trait in M+?
dusky igloo
I guess yeah, my mindset might be skewed since a lot of the other classes with big mastery amp traits just dive into it head on instead 😛
dark lark
@grave sorrel fang isn't that great because you can't mitigate damage while casting it
You can coordinate with Shockwave but even then they might start swinging on the last tick of the Fang cast
@dusky igloo we're not fire mages 🙂
grave sorrel
OK got it. I literally new to tanking. So probably will focus on rotations to survive first versus dmg.
dark lark
It kind of goes hand in hand, honestly. The more damage you do (Shield Slam/Thunderclap are your hardest hitting abilities), the more rage you generate which you put into your active mitigatiopn
Just don't waste rage on Revenge, and use Ignore Pain to avoid overcapping
grave sorrel
Thanks
languid jewel
hey, i got a question
can you thunderclap every gcd if you go for ineffable rank 2? instead of 2x rank 1
languid jewel
damn, alright thanks
raven knoll
can someone suggest me a good route for junkyard? or should i just go with the dratnos one
daring bay
Anyone know a WA that calls out if the spider obelisk is targeting tank?
worthy hinge
Junkyard can be done so many ways. I’ve timed 17/18s by just going “fuck it, let’s go this way today”
deep zealot
does anyone know roughly how much haste I need to get 3shield blocks into Last stand then 2 more shield blocks?
im dropping alot of haste and I'm not sure what the breakpoint is
sweet summit
why are you dropping haste 
deep zealot
im trying to get more vers with my vers% set
do you know roughly what it is? ik naowh is at 1588 haste so is that the breakpoint?
or does haste not matter for it, and I always get SB lined up nicely?
sweet summit
its like 25% or something
when youre vers stacking, the prio is like haste=vers>crit
so unless the item has both haste and vers its kinda not ideal
deep zealot
kk tyty
sick sentinel
is shadowlands tanking looking pretty much more the same?
still pagoda
except for target capping and even bigger loss of DPS on the tank side
cinder storm
will target capping affect aggro?
sweet summit
yes
still pagoda
will target capping affect aggro?
@cinder storm
Partially in case of a prot warrior
outside of getting some abilities capped at 5/6/8 targets
Thunder Clap and Revenge now have one of the worst scaling models ever
dropping down in damage really fast
onyx vessel
strong forum
Target capping will/does 100% affect aggro
strong forum
Accidentally pull 1 more mob than your abilities hit? Have fun, now you need to tab target around to generate stable aggro
strong forum
🤡
warm plinth
I’m curious how it would work in those situations. How does the ability choose which x targets it hits?
strong forum
rng 🤡
warm plinth
Well I don’t know about you but I’m very excited. 😏
I thought I’d read that tanks were capped as well on a lot but the wowhead article says tanks are “largely uncapped”
strong forum
they are, but theres dmg dropoffs
warm plinth
Or wherever the article was
warm plinth
Ah
strong forum
certain abilites are completely uncapped, some are target capped, some have dropoffs
brittle owl
or tanks being able to reasonably hold aggro, albeit with tab targetting, and dps not being able to, ykno, actually dpa
warm plinth
Have they explained anywhere why they’re doing the target cap shit?
brittle owl
they did
sweet summit
degenerate aoe bad 😡
brittle owl
and it's pretty aneurysm inducing
placid oar
Are there any tank class in SL which are not affected by the target cap then?
sweet summit
dont think bdk bb is capped?
brittle owl
uhm, not really
strong forum
everybody is affected to a certain degree
placid oar
Cos if there is a tank class which is not capped, that class would be too OP or ideal for the big pulls no?
brittle owl
bb is uncapped, yes, SpB is uncapped, consecration is uncapped (i think), thrash is uncapped, idk bout brew
placid oar
Ah I see
strong forum
thrash is uncapped, swipe is 5
brittle owl
also idgaf about brew
strong forum
fuck brew
brittle owl
warm plinth
And no word on threat bonus being changed correct?
strong forum
not as of yet
warm plinth
Wonderful
warm plinth
What is divine toll
brittle owl
avenger's shield bukkakke
strong forum
literally
warm plinth
Oh yeah
strong forum
lemme throw 15 shields thats bounce 4 times each
brittle owl
imma be perfectly honest
warm plinth
And pull 90% of the dungeon with one throw
brittle owl
divine toll is rhe most nut inducing ability out of all the tanks atm
brittle owl
swoswoswoswo
brittle owl
ngl would be cool if pwarr could spin2win
warm plinth
😮 oh shiiiiiiit
strong forum
its divine toll but talent
placid oar
If the cap is class wide then, I Guess it is fair? Else those uncapped target tanks will be unfair. I hope blizz fixes this if it is the case
brittle owl
slightly worse but way more convenient you mean
at least you can change talents wherever
strong forum
itll always be cookie cutter
brittle owl
i don't get how they manage to keep paladin flexible with talents
but shit themselves with other tanks
brittle owl
uTiLiTy
ya sure, i take spellwarding for a rando raid member
not at all to cheese a mechanic myself
brittle owl
i also don't know where this vomit logic comes from
"paladin utility tank"
do they forget that you can gasp target yourself?
raven knoll
oink oink?
placid oar
I wonder if there is any remote chance where blizz may perhaps revamp some of our prot stuff like how they did for shadow priest? 🤔
strong forum
there is ye
they havent done alot of tuning
and its been said that they understand that the bfa playstyle is fun and popular but wanna see how current prot plays out and wanna see its performance
shadow bay
hi
would you change heroic socketed bracers from wrathion
for mythic without socket?
warm plinth
Yes
strong forum
once you put a socket on the 475s 👍
before that, no wrists offer incredibly low stats so the socket outweighs the ilvl gain
@warm plinth 
warm plinth
Everything is socketed Nome. If it’s not you’re not doing enough visions
honest plinth
doing visions
still pagoda
ya sure, i take spellwarding for a rando raid member
@brittle owl
Ya sure i take spellwarding for myself and no one else
Fuck DPS
main vault
Who else is excited they are making certain covenants mandatory for certain dungeons
Oh well
warm plinth
still pagoda
Who else is excited they are making certain covenants mandatory for certain dungeons
@main vault
WHAT
main vault
I was being sarcastic
still pagoda
main vault
Its pure shit
sweet summit
FL NIGHTFAE RESTO DRUID +5 NECROTIC WAKE
strong forum
thats what he was referring to
they announced it weeks ago that covenants have unique interactions in each dungeon
still pagoda
this should not be a thing
at all
gameplay >> flavour
this is definitely a flavour thing that impacts balance
main vault
It shouldnt be, but here we are
strong forum
the checkpoints are actually silly
main vault
Only 10% is a ton lol
still pagoda
both checkpoints and 10% mainstat is big
main vault
10 min would be like 3-4 pulls, and possibly a boss
still pagoda
or half of 30 minute timer M+ dungeon like AD
implying that you end at around 5-10 minutes left mark
main vault
yeah just glancing at that dungeon
I could see saving it, setting up some big pull, or big two pulls, then using it and making the pull
deep zealot
defensively does lucid minor or strength minor help more in keys?
strong forum
lucid
still pagoda
defensively does lucid minor or strength minor help more in keys?
@deep zealot
Strength minor is weaker than any other minor outside of its 10 resistance bonus. My usual setup for minors is CnS, VoP/Lucid and Str/Formless/Sphere/Aegis
strong forum
assuming you dont need the CR
deep zealot
this week what do you recommend for the corruption build?
going CNS major + aegis, visions, strength and running x2IT+vers% till 57 corruption or CNS major+aegis, visions, lucid and running x1IT+vers% till 57 corruption?
strong forum
TD5 IT1x2 for anything below 22 or
vers3x7 IT2 or
ver3x5 vers2x1 IT1x2 below 40 for 23++++++
deep zealot
cause it seems the majority of tanks are running the first setup, but the chinese warrior pushing 30s is running the lucid setup but im not sure how to compare them
deep zealot
no i mean both builds are CNS major, its just x2IT+vers% with strength minor vs x1IT+vers% with lucid minor
strong forum
2x IT > 1x IT
no matter the essences
you want to run those ITs cuz they give insane value, way more than lucid minor would
onyx vessel
or run 2 ITs 7 vers
strong forum
ye
onyx vessel
and lucid instead of strength
distant crystal
you can run td6 it1x2 under 60
onyx vessel
still under 60
deep zealot
is that 54corruption?
onyx vessel
yes
deep zealot
my math is slow
strong forum
ya but thats stupid
still pagoda
2xIT1 will still beat out everything
cinder storm
Stupid question, would the Embrace of Bwomsamdi be useful with high vers? Last time I read about it proc rate was low but I dont know how to go about calculating it
deep zealot
i mean should I just run x1 IT instead and get more vers% if I want to play more defensive? i get that IT helps get cd's back up but vers% is a more 'stable' choice right?
still pagoda
due to AM double dipping turning into lucid
strong forum
no @deep zealot
onyx vessel
more rage = profit
still pagoda
i mean should I just run x1 IT instead and get more vers% if I want to play more defensive? i get that IT helps get cd's back up but vers% is a more 'stable' choice right?
@deep zealot
If you don't know, 2xIT1 will give you a shitton of CD's availability
you just double dip since every 50 rage you spend during 2xIT1 counts as 80
strong forum
7 or 8 vers% doesnt make a shit of difference
onyx vessel
only race that gives more vers flat is panda
strong forum
whereas IT gives you the chance on a ton more reflects and buttons in general
youre already immortal with 7 vers
onyx vessel
i died in a 19 siege so you lying to me
deep zealot
kk tyty ive got an idea of what to run tomorrow, i was just abit confused since I started the week running surging vitality with x2IT and vers% but it wasnt very nice in alot of keys
i just didnt like surging uptime
mellow patio
Yes this is a thing
If siphoner wasn’t so expensive your man would be running TD + siphoner and topping all time
naive barn
What is IT?..
warm plinth
Ineffable Truth
naive barn
Oh.. a corruption. :)
That system seems more rediculous the more i learn of it.. Like, you dont even have to have just 1 BiS set for tanking.. you have to have multiples so you can optimise corruptions lol..
Cant imagine having to actually dual specc.. SO many different items needed in order to have optimal corruptions
warm plinth
It's really not that bad
strong forum
it is stupid amounts of gear you need to have in your bags yes
if you want to min max
sweet summit
yeah...
placid oar
and its been said that they understand that the bfa playstyle is fun and popular but wanna see how current prot plays out and wanna see its performance
@strong forum sry for my late reply. Oh that is wonderful and comforting to know 😃
onyx vessel
I have 3 almost fully finshed sets
Arms i need 7 exp3s
Oof
Im at 13k echoes
5 exp3s 2 exp2s racing pulse3 should be fine ehh
near pewter
Any recommendations to guides or youtube channels with advanced protwarrior mechanics? specifically for Mythic+? like routes or spell reflect stuff
civic rover
random question but what legion artifact appearance do y'all use the most
i've been using the hidden appearance with the blackrock foundry set
civic rover
is that the one from island expeditions
sweet summit
no 
civic rover
i like the mage tower one i just haven't found a mog i like a lot with it
warm plinth
strong forum
pog
warm plinth
I need a good shield/1h to go with this though.
tight verge
Hey guys, can someone help me with some doubts about hidden appearence prot shield?
strong forum
looks sick
warm plinth
using mage tower atm but obviously doesn't match lol
civic rover
what doubts?
strong forum
its rng once per day per character chance to spawn Fesks
warm plinth
Think of it like a daily quest, because that's basically what it is
civic rover
yeah, people have tried making macros but they don't really work, just have to go to cave every day
strong forum
the macro used to work
warm plinth
They work fine. The macros just check for quest completion of two quests
civic rover
nah i've had the macros show false and then i walk to the cave and i get the emote
warm plinth
THe macro can't show anything until you've gone far enough in to get the emote anyway
tight verge
Yeah, i got that is a chance but i wanted the hidden purple one, i need to make pvp with the weapon equiped?
warm plinth
The purpose of the macro is so you don't miss the emote and think it's not there
None of the appearances require the weapon to be equipped anymore as far as I know
tight verge
I came back to wow in the end of this expansion so im kinda lost
warm plinth
There was a post about it at some point
tight verge
and im kinda new as a warrior too
warm plinth
Just have to do the requirements and have the base appearance
tight verge
i dont even know if i have the requirements to get the emote in the cave lol
warm plinth
There are no requirements to get the emote except to have the artifact unlocked
There used to be requirements, but there aren't anymore (because they wouldn't be obtainable)
tight verge
thank god cause i have no idea what artifact knowledge is
warm plinth
It was a catch-up mechanic that reduced the amount of AP you needed for the next level. We still have artifact knowledge but it's all automated now.
And I believe it's finished for the expansion at this point
inland silo
You also dont even have to have the base to get the color.
If you have either of the other two hidden appearances and unlock the color, you get it for all of them
warm plinth
Wait, what do you mean, like the other spec ones?
warm plinth
Oh, right
strong forum
without the need to unlock the base version
warm plinth
But you need a base hidden appearance for at least one spec still, right?
strong forum
yes
which is bullshit imo, you should need the base version for every spec before you could should get the other colours
literal 🍝 code
warm plinth
Yeah
I believe you can still use class trials to try for the appearance too, correct?
strong forum
ya
civic rover
thats how i got it lol
warm plinth
I got mine by going back to the cave for like 2 months
tight verge
Whats this class trial thing?
warm plinth
warm plinth
I doubt you actually need a HMT warrior; it just makes it faster
Because they can port to Highmountain
civic rover
yeah i think you can just make human trials
civic rover
shadow priest
sick sentinel
easy 2 chest
steep bone
@still pagoda Gratz 😄 i think im doing mine tommorow, haven't even logged today xD
still pagoda
no
still pagoda
just freshly formed group of friends
limpid pawn
yes - AD 23 done
still pagoda
doing hybrid
marble wagon
whats the best enchants for prot warrior on weapon?
still pagoda
Force Multiplier
marble wagon
i just started tanking on my warrior in m+/raids last week
still pagoda
then just use Force Multi and slowly get acquainted with the spec
marble wagon
so far i done up to a +12 so far as a tank
still pagoda
steep bone
@limpid pawn i don't have vers set no
marble wagon
am debating full vers or vers with couple tds
still pagoda
am debating full vers or vers with couple tds
@marble wagon
Full TD in your range
limpid pawn
the sexiest shit is when ITx2 procs, potion of empowered proximity, and like 8+ mobs around me
strong forum
full vers is only for 23/24+++++++++++++
limpid pawn
HNGGG
steep bone
depends on keys you're doing
steep bone
wait
limpid pawn
this guy said hes doing 24 motherlode tho
marble wagon
i got a 13 ML atm 😄
steep bone
full vers only 23/24
still pagoda
and learn the spec properly
steep bone
im CHAD then, done 23fh with hybrid \
marble wagon
i usually use ignore pain on small packs with 1 or 2 shield blocks, on big packs i use more cds
still pagoda
i usually use ignore pain on small packs with 1 or 2 shield blocks, on big packs i use more cds
@marble wagon
just for ya
steep bone
that's hella bad gameplay from you @marble wagon
still pagoda
you always use Shield Block
marble wagon
i had a friend who is about 2400 io behind me helping 😄
steep bone
there are exceptions like workshop lastboss
i mean unless you take it with blob then you still need to shield block
marble wagon
@steep bone i just started tanking as a prot warrior last week.....
steep bone
best time to not learn bad habits
civic rover
doesn't xanthos have a guide now
still pagoda
and that old post from May
steep bone
im still using IP over shield block sometimes...
strong forum
cinder pasture
I use all my rage for revenge
still pagoda
🗞️
civic rover
hey nomeratur when's your next bad people do m+ stream
still pagoda
hey nomeratur when's your next bad people do m+ stream
@civic rover
I can also do this
marble wagon
@still pagoda thats just about what i do is that, is what you linked as am gearing and learning 😄
civic rover
we should all start recording our runs
steep bone
civic rover
skype in 2020
marble wagon
my character so far 😄
marble wagon
i just got those weapon n shield like 2hrs ago never got a chance to enchant yet
civic rover
imagine actually being lucky enough to get shields
steep bone
and get proper 60 haste enchants on rings, they're super cheap 😛 and you're missing 40 haste
still pagoda
@civic rover
cinder pasture
@steep bone Depends on the realm you're on 😛
civic rover
hype
tight verge
U guys have any tips of enchants that give movespeed?
steep bone
Im so tempted to get few vers2 as im gonna have overkill amount of echoes until vers3 comes and go for full-ish vers for that 24ml of mine
steep bone
im lazy to swap sets so im running hybrid all the time
unless i actually care to check what ive equipped
still pagoda
oh. I forgot to black out the chat
steep bone
are you doing blur trick or some image?
steep bone
blur looks pog
steep bone
YUGE
strong forum
gamer
sweet summit
errr
still pagoda
i don't remember, but can you add something right on YT? @steep bone
strong forum
now watch me fail a WS21
still pagoda
before posting
sweet summit
we got 27 FH
strong forum
:poggies:
cinder pasture
Only missing 1 bom then I'm pretty much all done with my gear D:
steep bone
@still pagoda nah just with OBS, add second layer that captures game but crop it just to have chat visible, then stretch it to cover whole screen and change it's resolution to lowest available, that way you'll have blurred not readable chat, and just resize to match chat size
Oh and you gotta add noise on that layer too
warm plinth
I managed to get 2k score on the dot on my prot war lul
steep bone
that's yuge
sweet summit
gamer moment, proud of you mate
steep bone
hope im not stuck sub 4k ;_;
warm plinth
What are you at now Waifu
steep bone
umm
warm plinth
We hit 3524 last night
steep bone
limpid pawn
nice, that's closer to 4k than 3k now
steep bone
almost 3.6
warm plinth
Sick
steep bone
need those at 22 and im game
limpid pawn
nzoth hates you son
still pagoda
we have +23ML
warm plinth
Temple is easy but it's not score
limpid pawn
when you get siege, it's the game telling you to take a break
steep bone
temple first boss on higher keys is big YIKERS
unless you've actually people with mad skillz to kick without commiting suicide
warm plinth
We did a 22 this week which was okay. We probably would've wiped repeatedly on 22 tyr lol
That's why you focus kick :WeSmart:
steep bone
forti 22 first boss unkicked casts already hit for like 300k+
sweet summit
just have more than 300k HP 
steep bone
stamina flask/food?
still pagoda
sweet summit
still pagoda
no, gear above 430
warm plinth
We're good about kicking though. We have 3 non-melee kicks (hunter and two DH) and then rogue
steep bone
actually do you also stack them on higher keys for dh/fire mage?
warm plinth
Makes it pretty easy to kick safely without anyone getting meleed
We stack them together for our comp
for me
steep bone
it's just that you respawn in africa if you wipe
sweet summit
hæ
warm plinth
We've tried the shroud thing a couple times and it's not working for some reason
Not sure what we're missing
warm plinth
Shroud isn't being cancelled. The mobs don't channel right away, but even though the tank is going around and hitting them, they just stay there til shroud drops and then start channeling
It worked for us once but not sure what we did there vs what we've tried since that's making it not work now
worthy leaf
Hey tank friends
sweet summit
thats strange 🤔
warm plinth
Yeah I'm sure we're doing something wrong, just don't know what
sweet summit
tame garden
🥳
worthy leaf
Siege first boss
Can we have our mage start in obelisk realm while we have a hunter and not having him go for tank?
So mage can combust on pull
Since hunter is also ranged
warm plinth
He'll never target a non-ranged with the hook/noose if there's another ranged target available.
steep bone
but he has hunter too
worthy leaf
I have 2 ranged
tame garden
Then what's the issue
tame garden
Test it and report back
worthy leaf
Now my mage can combust uninterrupted
warm plinth
Well I don't know if it works, but you asked him he'd go for the tank, which he won't since you have a hunter.
you asked if he'd go**
warm plinth
It should work as long as he instantly targets for the hook/noose (I am not 100% sure it's instant)
If he delays it though, it's probably still up in the air
tame garden
Its p much instant
worthy leaf
Last time we started boss with all but tank in obelisk and he went straight for tank
tame garden
Well yeah
worthy leaf
He does it after we fade out of realm im pretty sure
tame garden
That's pepega
worthy leaf
But ye ty for the help
warm plinth
Yeah that's what I'm saying
tame garden
Because he was the only one lol
worthy leaf
Siege isnt a perfected dungeon anyways
warm plinth
it's because the void realm keeps the rest of you out of combat just long enough that the tank is the only eligible target
worthy leaf
ah
warm plinth
So if the hunter is out of the realm too, it should pick him
warm plinth
Yeah it just depends on when you enter combat; even if you leave void realm, if you're not in combat you're not an eligible target in most cases
main vault
Is he distance based as well? I don’t remember
warm plinth
Not sure; our hunter always starts the encounter near/at max range but I guess potentially you could be beyond max range
wowhead says it has a 50 yard range
steep bone
I tried several time not being furthest target from boss on my mage and still got fixated (with having ranged behind me of course)
main vault
I only say that cause a Growl talks about baiting the fixate
sweet summit
so close
steep bone
isn't TD giga free this week
civic rover
TD and temple are easy
sturdy sable
Just spell reflect the cyclone strikes ez
sweet summit
yeah
warm plinth
We were 2 mins off timing our first 23 (TD) yesterday 😦
tame garden
what happened
raven knoll
after this week when is the next good week btw?
tame garden
Shadowlands
sweet summit
yep
steep bone
not as pog as this week
sweet summit
nah
warm plinth
Just had a couple of awkward deaths that made us wait mostly
warm plinth
Got stuck waiting after killing the blob lieutenant because our healer died and had to run back
Idk we've never beaten the timer by a huge margin that I can think of
steep bone
@strong forum that rage on your stream 😮
strong forum
@steep bone thats the norm :D
we are always like that
tame garden
Wdym dont do first cannon
steep bone
first cannon is gig ez
warm plinth
Not for us, so we don't do it
We tried it for a long time and never could do it properly so we just skip it
tame garden
MonkaS
steep bone
try in low m+ until you get it done
tame garden
What's your comp again
warm plinth
VDH/HDH/BM Hunter/HPal and for this week only, outlaw rogue (will be destro lock after this week)
tame garden
No druid no mage I guess makes it harder
steep bone
you still have binding
sweet summit
Yeah
steep bone
that happens when you hit wall
warm plinth
We use it on the other cannon pull
Well, rogue says he doesn't hit the wall and he's the one who does it so 🤷
sweet summit
Tol Dagor doing Tol Dagor stuff i guess
warm plinth
Our season is basically over after this week anyway since he quit his rogue (only agreed to play it again for this week)
steep bone
I think that even scuffed first cannon is still time save
warm plinth
Not if you wipe because you pulled extra mobs
tacit sedge
Hi all. New here. I switched to prot warrior recently and am trying to improve on damage mitigation. Right now I mitigate about 20% of total damage taken. What's a good average to work towards?
sweet summit
Uhhg
You wanna look at blocked hits %
Mostly
Use ignore pain to avoid overcapping rage
Shield Block and Last Stand is your main mitigation tools
tacit sedge
I try to keep shield block up as much as possible combined with last stand with bolster talent
sweet summit
Very good
steep bone
you don't use shield block while last stand is up, right?
tacit sedge
Right!
sweet summit
Thats right
tacit sedge
Im aware
steep bone
nono im asking him D:
still pagoda
to stop that stupid habit of sb during ls
I'm currently experiencing this problem
steep bone
on higher key you're dead if you drop mitigation
steep bone
i can't get used to naowh ui tbh
cinder pasture
Hell, I'm still using battle shout before evey single pull even though it hasn't given rage for years 😅
steep bone
it's literally what i made but different
sweet summit
😂
sweet summit
You link a log here
And we do the hard woek for you
"We" as in someone else cos im going to bed
tacit sedge
Lol
steep bone
Not sure if @novel ruin is still doing vod reviews, but he helped me alot :p
but logs/vod is enough to check what you're doing bad/good
tacit sedge
A warcraftlog will do right?
steep bone
even if you look yourself and recorded video and see where you had something up that you didn't use or how you could approach X pull and get over it
steep bone
if you have nice ui that shows what you're pressing, cooldowns of party members etc it's more than enough
but that's addition tho, makes it easy to review - my opinion tho
tacit sedge
yeah i can imagine
still pagoda
i can't get used to naowh ui tbh
@steep bone
The main problem for me is WA's rn
still can't get used to buff/CD separation
still pagoda
I used afenar's for a long time
steep bone
imagine actually paying 5$ for something that i copied and did it better
still pagoda
moved to ^ his Naowh-bootleg build recently
steep bone
only valuable stuff of naowh are his 'all-round' weak auras
with some casts/sound warnings
still pagoda
Square buffs > rectangle buffs
steep bone
i actually updated buffs to be rectangle
dunno if you updated it to newest version xD
novel ruin
Idc too much as long as the Info is easily readable
tacit sedge
Here's a quick log i've got
I'll try and make a VOD next week
I think bursting is messing with some numbers aswell
Seems like 76% of all melee damage was mitigated
steep bone
Null barrier in +9?
main vault
Null Barrier at all tbh
novel ruin
Not pressing TC enough
tacit sedge
My essences arent great yet, havent been playing him for long
worthy leaf
Not even the bosses would survive a lucid major combust
steep bone
You did use last stand 12 times out of 29 minutes
still pagoda
get VoP major @tacit sedge