protection

[brittle owl]

duke nukem 3D

i member spending a few "play sessions" trying to figure out how to get down the roof

cuz i was like 3 or 4 or some shit

[limpid pawn]

not bad, how many do you need to get avoidance capped?

this is actually like decent mitigation for higher keys right

[undone sun]

it's a decent bonus, but from what i remember most damage that is mitigated by avoidance is avoidable

[civic rover]

if you're looking to be unkillable just go full vers tbh

[limpid pawn]

im already full verse, these are the tertiary stat

trying to get a full leech set, but RNG 😦

[civic rover]

ive given up on attempting a full leech set

if i wanna heal a bunch ill just use urchin

[limpid pawn]

oh that's not a bad idea, scales with versa

[civic rover]

i've thought about it

my prot only has lfr urchin though

[limpid pawn]

just did a 23 wcm with a 2.6k io paladin, healed so well though

[civic rover]

i know a holy pal who's like 465 ilvl and heals 20s really well

[limpid pawn]

yeah, diamonds in the rough sometimes. very impressed

[civic rover]

yeah the dude i know doesn't raid at all

he's never gotten an aotc

but he's doing 19s/20s while being undergeared no prob

[broken crag]

i have the 1h from wrathion with avoidance and 1h from mythic carapace, which one is better?

[still pagoda]

yeah, diamonds in the rough sometimes. very impressed
@limpid pawn
Befriend him

Seriously

No way you will lose out having him on the list

[civic rover]

i add every healer thats not a pepega

[sweet summit]

Only good healer ive played with is mwahi 👀

[ionic fern]

I actually got a 475 int staff from my chest.

😂

[lapis tapir]

i really like how some people don't think its convenient to have multiples of certain items to swap out corruption, ie rings and such

[strong forum]

Wait really

I have like 5 of each slot and like 10 rings in bag

[still pagoda]

7 rings in the bag

2 hivemind rings for 2 specs

And other stuff

[lapis tapir]

i do heroic nzoth for the cosmic ring, and i didnt get it in loot but won a roll, now its not my loot and it can be given to whomever but to be passed on it because i already had one is just bad ethics

cause i play with corruption levels, i can leave one without corrupt, one with vers and one with inef truth just makes sense to me

[real orchid]

The new trend from top prot warrior this week seems to be 2x IT, 5x Vers3, Surging Vital 3 = 59 corruption

is it better to run with lucid dream minor (isntead of warden) and be at 54 corruption isntead but get 6x Vers3?

[strong forum]

You don't have that many slots

Oh

[ionic fern]

Wait, people are actually checking "trends" for top r.io warriors every week?

[strong forum]

You mean saccing some other corruption to get vers3 and then swap out of warden.

Idk doesn't seem worth it

Theres a trends page on rio?

[ionic fern]

🤷

[steep bone]

probably first page of rio

[real orchid]

lol imean

yah, top tank war page

[strong forum]

Idk I'd just run 7x vers3 2x IT1 and be done with it

[real orchid]

well, surging gives 801 when it procs (seems to be >50% uptime)

[strong forum]

Once you run into danger of dropping below 25 corruption you pick more expensive corruptions aka IT2

[real orchid]

whereas lucid might be a much lower proc

and it's 54 vs 59 corrutpion, and losing warden's healing

so yah, i suppose it doesn't make sense

[steep bone]

isn't warden potato

[strong forum]

Na warden is decent

The stam + like 2k hps is ok

[real orchid]

warden is usually 10% of ur overall healing

lol it's coo, i think i've just answered my own question

[strong forum]

10% seems like alot more than it should be

Tbh

[steep bone]

how much overhealing it does?

[real orchid]

for war?

[strong forum]

Na it overheals a fuckton

[real orchid]

probby a lot

since we're mostly sitting at 100% often lol

[strong forum]

But 10% overall healing sounds wrong

[real orchid]

well, im just looking at my meters

for a typical run, +22 lvl

[strong forum]

IP should be like 50% of healing Meter. Then impassive visage like 15, last stand / leech like 10 then it trickles down

[ionic fern]

😂

I want to

So i will

Wdym leech 10

[strong forum]

Not enough

8k hps ain't enough

[real orchid]

thats a lot of leech heals

[strong forum]

I did a run with 16% baseline leech + lucid major and got like 16k hps from leech but also took so much more dmg

[real orchid]

are u running lucid major?

[strong forum]

Like so much more dmg

Tbf it was also WCM

[real orchid]

lol 16% leeech, jelly

[ionic fern]

@real orchid

[real orchid]

I've only got like 2 pieces

[real orchid]

of leech on

[strong forum]

It was meme set

[real orchid]

lol @ionic fern

makes sense now

[strong forum]

With dogshit gear

[orchid frigate]

am i crazy but the goop on gunker spreads right?

[real orchid]

well, i can't say that's a typical high key build

[strong forum]

It spreads, but he also sucks in

[orchid frigate]

if one person gets it, ppl standing close can get it as well?

[strong forum]

Oh no

[ionic fern]

It's my meme leech build.

[real orchid]

lol

[strong forum]

It's based on the swirlies frender

[ionic fern]

😂

Not doing anything too high with this

[strong forum]

It doesn't chain react

[real orchid]

how high of a key have u done with that?

[ionic fern]

Only like 20's.

[real orchid]

lol

does ur dmg suffer

with that much leech?

bro, that build practically make u a DH lol

[ionic fern]

This was ML 20

[orchid frigate]

ok thx @strong forum

[ionic fern]

I mean..jeah..kinda does. I do like 50-70k depending on pulls/dungeons.

[real orchid]

@strong forum 10-12% on endurance

yah

[strong forum]

How the fuck

Last stand so low

[real orchid]

i mean

[ionic fern]

6 casts,

[steep bone]

6 casts

[real orchid]

dont spam it if u dont need it?

[strong forum]

Same as psychic shell

[real orchid]

if u're running full vers build

[strong forum]

[real orchid]

hm.. low maybe?

but I feel like with 60% unbuffed vers build

u dont take a ton of dmg

so no need to spam shell/LS

i dont know?

i just dont feel the need to

[steep bone]

don't you run full vers on too low keys then?

[strong forum]

Then why use shell

Also ye vers on too low keys

[real orchid]

this was from a 22

so maybe thats low key to u guys

[strong forum]

22 is too low for 60% vers yes

[real orchid]

maybe

just feels cushy and comfortable running it guess

[ionic fern]

Can comfortably run TD and stuff in 22's.
But..use what ever you want i guess.

[steep bone]

im pleb and in 22 which is actually my highest ever done key while i had like 30% vers things didn't do damage unless i dropped SB (or haven't had any mitiagtion up) and got oneclapped. Full vers deffo not needed there

[real orchid]

yah, i think u're right

[ionic fern]

Should do a +20 with no corruption.

[real orchid]

it just feels nice to have all that vers i guess

[steep bone]

it feels even better to pop TD on some 8 mob pack

[real orchid]

i only got the shell recently

so maybe I can go back to weaving in TD3 with the vers set

and squeeze out some extra dps

[steep bone]

shell on forti zul was nice tho

[strong forum]

For KR you go defensive ye

[real orchid]

I'm pulling up a few logs now and it does seem like my LS usage is low

should be ~20 cast on a typical run, from what I'm seeing

so maybe I can scale back the vers and use more TD for dmg, and be better at using CD like last stand & shell more

thx guys

[ionic fern]

👍

[strong forum]

That's the thing with on use trinkets

You gotta use em frequently otherwise you're wasting potential

[mental scarab]

It’s next reser we can buy vers amp r3 right 👀

[steep bone]

9 days or some

[frosty wren]

U can run every corruption u want, but going full versa in dungeon below ~ 25 is not needed

[orchid frigate]

i know you guys dont approve on versa amp on mid lvl dungeons but doing a KR on +20 with it feels so nice

so even if its not needed i feel it helps a bit when ppl are missing interrupts and everyone not playing at their best

would probably be different if i was a good player in a good static group 🙂

[honest plinth]

Thats the point. Vers apms are rly good even in 20s if you are pugging all the time and taking too much failure damage when your party members are not kicking, cc.

[ionic fern]

Play with what ever you want. 🤷

[orchid frigate]

Thats the point. Vers apms are rly good even in 20s if you are pugging all the time and taking too much failure damage when your party members are not kicking, cc.
@honest plinth 👍

Play with what ever you want. 🤷
@ionic fern 🤗

[uneven fern]

Just checking, for 20 keys and without vers amps.
We still wants haste > mastery > crit > vers?

[sweet summit]

Play with what ever you want. 🤷
😏

[ionic fern]

🤔

[sweet summit]

Ilvl>haste>crit>=vers>mast

[ionic fern]

That mastery placement is weird

Where did you get that info @uneven fern ?

[uneven fern]

Oh fuck I meant haste > vers > crit > mastery

But yeah thanks!

[tawdry dirge]

whats ya dtps in a 15ish key?

[ionic fern]

.......

[pearl summit]

yikes

[ionic fern]

Depends on the dungeon/pulls/group

[sweet summit]

Damage taken per second?

[ionic fern]

And like 100 other things

[tawdry dirge]

ye like shrine or way

[steep bone]

depends if people kick, what you pull etc

[pearl summit]

I think DTPS is a really bad metric in keys

[ionic fern]

I think you're missing the point. You will not get any valuable information out of this.

[sweet summit]

A number higher than 4 usually

[pearl summit]

it's just too situational you can't ever tell really

unless you play the same key level with the same people doing the same pulls over and over

through the course of like 5 keys

[tawdry dirge]

fair

i jsut wanted to see if i am avarge in my AM/cds

in a dungeon

[sweet summit]

Well

Link log

[steep bone]

better of recording/logging

[ionic fern]

Log it.

[sweet summit]

Or vod

[steep bone]

or both

[pearl summit]

if you take big spikes or die you should reconsider why and take a look

other than that, it's really hard to say man

[tawdry dirge]

fai point

fair*

[pearl summit]

just do your best to keep your hp pool stable and don't die

then press your dps buttons hard

[sweet summit]

My HP bar is a healer problem smh

[tawdry dirge]

on my pala i feel way more stable

[ionic fern]

Then you're playing bad.

[tawdry dirge]

so i thought i do something wrong

yeah probly

[pearl summit]

How is your AM rotation looking?

[sweet summit]

Pala is a jojo compared to the wall a prot warrior is

[ionic fern]

But it's hard to say what's going wrong without logs etc as already mentioned.

[sweet summit]

I think?

[pearl summit]

Yeah

[sweet summit]

Never played pala so idk

[ionic fern]

Pala is indeed a jojo.

Not as much as a BDK but still.

[tawdry dirge]

well yeah need to log it i guess

maybe its just the play it self that u cant really self heal as warrior

that is odd to me

[sweet summit]

VR big heal xd

[tawdry dirge]

VR is not really usable its so procc reliable

[sweet summit]

Yep

[ionic fern]

Be sure to keep Shield Block up when actively tanking.
Fill Shield Block gaps with Last Stand (Bolster).
Use Avatar/Demo Shout pretty leniently as they have such a short CD.
Dump rage with IP.
Use Revenge when it's free.

👍

[pearl summit]

^

[sweet summit]

Do not overcap rage i beg

[pearl summit]

"Dump rage with IP."
As Mwahi stated

[tawdry dirge]

thats pretty much was i do xD

[pearl summit]

Then do it, but do it better

[ionic fern]

As far as offensive priority goes..
Don't spam Devastate - it's your lowest priority ability.

[sweet summit]

😂

[tawdry dirge]

guess i just need more prax

[pearl summit]

If you record yourself you'll find a lot of errors

I have 42 days of prot warr played and I still cringe and find stupid mistakes in my vods

🤷‍♂️

[sweet summit]

I have too many days i dont even want to know

[ionic fern]

I haven't done /played in a while either. 👀

[pearl summit]

I did a fotm reroll when I realized raid tanking as brewmaster made me fall asleep

[tawdry dirge]

fair i only have 5 days played 😄

[ionic fern]

I did a fotm reroll when I realized raid tanking as brewmaster made me fall asleep

[pearl summit]

Not wrong

LOL

[steep bone]

look at that panic shield wall
and panic everything

[ionic fern]

😂

[tawdry dirge]

agreed brew is boring as fuck

[ionic fern]

You're gonna get a lot of bursting stacks there in a second.

[tawdry dirge]

so is DH tbh

[ionic fern]

So..PRE-EMPTIVE SW.

Gj.

[sweet summit]

Last stand check
Shield block check
Wall check
Big lad

[pearl summit]

this vers amp shit is fucking monkaS actually

I just pugged a really scuffed 24 atal with 13 deaths in it

still timed

eating bursting for breakfast

[sweet summit]

Cant wait for prepatch

[ionic fern]

OH..bursting..right..i can leech through it now.

[sweet summit]

Die vers abusers die

[pearl summit]

spell reflect and just the druids hots were enough to keep me alive through 13 bursting stacks

no pot or wall

🤷‍♂️

shit is so silly tbh

[steep bone]

no TD

[tawdry dirge]

how shitty is btw the CAllous REprisal trait?

[sweet summit]

Very

What are you comparing?

[tawdry dirge]

thought so

clock work

[sweet summit]

CwH bis

Giga yuge massive trait

Very epic

[tawdry dirge]

okay cool

that was i using all the time now

but i was wonderin ghow the CR trait is,..

cause dmg extra and defensive

but 1,5% aint sound good XD

[sweet summit]

Nah

[tawdry dirge]

on a rage spender

[sweet summit]

Its like ok to have, but defo one of the weakest prot traits

[tawdry dirge]

whats the best defesnive one?

[sweet summit]

BoM

Oh nono

DC

Yeee

DC owns

[tawdry dirge]

reallyyy boM was for me more a allrounder kinda

[sweet summit]

BoM is very good for defense and offense

DC adds 6 seconds? of demo shout, a 20% dr

[tawdry dirge]

but DC makes only 1 trait sence right

[sweet summit]

Yep

[tawdry dirge]

otherwise only the dmg is stacking

[sweet summit]

Yep

[tawdry dirge]

sucks

[honest plinth]

You need 1 dc, 3 bom, 2 hod or 1 hod 1 clock

[tawdry dirge]

3 of it and extended time would be fun 😄

[sweet summit]

You need that, but thats a good setup yes

In season 1 you could have close to 100% uptime on demo

DC wasnt capped

[tawdry dirge]

okay that will be tricky for me since i asoume its a nathoz helmet or carapence shoulders right?

[honest plinth]

Abyssal helmet

[sweet summit]

Skitra shoulders

Mythic skitra is very pugable

[tawdry dirge]

aye

aswell i can go with my guild there

they can carry my alt 😄

[sweet summit]

Big

As for chest, mythic vex/ashvane warden/mecha chest. All of those 3 are very very good

[tawdry dirge]

i have the mecha chest

[sweet summit]

Large

[tawdry dirge]

kraken shell shoulders

and putrid path helmet

[sweet summit]

Those are very good, the shoulders

Idk prot traits on putrid

[tawdry dirge]

BoM and iron

[sweet summit]

Not bad

You dont have a DC tho?

Or does kraken have it

[tawdry dirge]

i do on shoulders

[sweet summit]

Hmmm

You got hc nzoth head?

[tawdry dirge]

nop

[honest plinth]

Iron is fine if you have low ilvl shield i think. Till you get better helmet

[sweet summit]

Hmmm

Cos MS on kraken is big

[tawdry dirge]

465 shiled the rng gods aren on mine

[sweet summit]

So ideally u have DC on head here

[honest plinth]

Thats right

[tawdry dirge]

yeah first i need the skittra shouders 😄

mean while i can try to vendor a helmet

[honest plinth]

You can use nzoth helmet from heroic

Before you get helmet from vendor

[tawdry dirge]

i dont have that helmet eiterh 😄

[sweet summit]

Nzoth head/sea brawler/abyssal

[honest plinth]

But its easy to get :)

[sweet summit]

Get either of those

BoM+DC there
Grab BoM+MS on kraken or Skitra shoulders with BoM+HoD

[tawdry dirge]

abyssal bis right?

[honest plinth]

Yes

[sweet summit]

Ye

[tawdry dirge]

strengh in numbers vs head my call?

[sweet summit]

Not SiN

SiN is a sin

[tawdry dirge]

why not

i mean with TD could be fun

[sweet summit]

Its just bad

[tawdry dirge]

cause globules are also kinda bad as i know

[sweet summit]

Yep

[tawdry dirge]

well then HmC

[sweet summit]

HMC is good dam

[steep bone]

If i put corruption on something, can i cleanse it and put new corruption?

[honest plinth]

Ye you can

[tawdry dirge]

ye

[sweet summit]

Like, going out of your way for more HP to buff TD damage is never worth (unless youre doing an all tank raid)

[honest plinth]

You can pull some extra packs with hmc so be careful haha

[sweet summit]

It has a very small range, so unless you have a mob CCed and pulling a mob standing very close to it youre good

Taunt does not proc HMC tho

[tawdry dirge]

would u use flame, earth or crytalline on krakenshoulders?

[sweet summit]

UF

[steep bone]

poggies

[honest plinth]

You can pull in td, atal with hmc proc easily

[sweet summit]

Guess im just lucky then 🤣

[tawdry dirge]

is it worth to stack bullwark of masses?

[sweet summit]

Its kinda bugged

So depends on the other options

[tawdry dirge]

bury and longstrider 😄

[sweet summit]

Id take bulwark over bury but longstrider over bulwark. Doesnt really matter none of these are super ahead of the rest

[tawdry dirge]

aye would ned some IVs

[frosty wren]

Do we have some Tauren here? I need some inspiration bc of transmog 😅

[sick sentinel]

2 points away 😦

[strong forum]

Tauren transmog 👉 🚪

[sick sentinel]

^

tauren is dog shit for xmog

[strong forum]

Also #transmog if you wanna see 1000000 orcs and tauren with tusks

[sick sentinel]

i play tauren warrior because aoe stun and it's iconic

[ionic fern]

Only reason to play tauren is for big ass shoulders.

[brittle owl]

reasons to play tauren:

1. Chonk

2. If you want beef then bring the ruckus

[still pagoda]

3. Memes

[brittle owl]

3. Mess with the bull you get the horns

4. Absolute FUCKING UNIT

5. Can get your dick sucked by blood elves while standing upright

[still pagoda]

Reasons to play dwarf:

1. THE GREAT BOOK OF GRUDGES

/closethread

[brittle owl]

6. Hooves are superior methods of cushioning your movement

7. Same with 6, only for kicks

8. You're wrong and tauren are awsome

[brittle owl]

dorfs are acceptable i'll take em

[still pagoda]

Dorfs are dorfs

[brittle owl]

they're essentially smaller tauren without horns

2. If you want beef then bring the ruckus

9. WU TANG WU TANG WU TANG WU TANG

[sick sentinel]

I have a true story about this my warrior

[brittle owl]

unpopular opinion

if you play human warrior chances are you're also driving a prius and working as an accountant

[sick sentinel]

and because i learned you can do a charge mid jump and it looks super cool,

no, i just wanted my toon to be the dumbest dopiest idiot alive

[brittle owl]

why not do subersion memes

gnome warrior

a dumb ass fucking meat pimple

with pink hair

[sick sentinel]

i never once did a gnome past lvl 20

except for a warlock

if it could be a dorf, it was a dorf

and dof can be all

[brittle owl]

i never once did a gnome past lvl 20

🛑 🛑 🛑

[strong forum]

That sounds illegal

[brittle owl]

🚓

[sick sentinel]

rolled toon

apology

[strong forum]

No need to apologise

Kekw

[brittle owl]

kekw emote when @strong forum

you're a yellow name now, so you need to answer my abuse

[sick sentinel]

Is spell reflect the only ability in the game that scales with key level

i picked up gear that has 12% vers amp on it, but its on crit haste legs that i don't have 475 replacement for

so, win some lose some i guess

Yellow means you pay for discord right

That's a more piss yellow though

[strong forum]

Depends on each server what / if you give nitro users a different colour

In this server it's red

[sick sentinel]

What does stormforged mean?

Is it like expert

[strong forum]

It's a glorified regular user that's deemed trustworthy / reputable I'd say

[sick sentinel]

Ahh okay

i think it is moderator-lite/mentor/not stupid person

[strong forum]

Ya

[sick sentinel]

Above us shit-colored

That sounds racist damn

[strong forum]

Well. Class colored

[ionic fern]

Glorified regular.

😂

[strong forum]

[undone sun]

it's true

[sick sentinel]

Thyme aren't you a druid mod

[undone sun]

🙂

[ionic fern]

Gotta update #welcome and set SF to glorified regular.

[sick sentinel]

I recognize you from muting my only ally

[ionic fern]

@undone sun with the abuse of power, smh.

[undone sun]

[strong forum]

For the glory of Satan of course

[sick sentinel]

i bought doom eternal like 2-3 months that i still haven't tried yet

Does anyone know the specifics of reflecting ToS first boss tornados

Do I have to stand in front of the boss if he targets me or someone else

[strong forum]

Stand in front of boss when he casts it at a different target

[sick sentinel]

If he targets me it's not doable?

[strong forum]

Press SR and don't move until the swirlies are gone

Yes

[sick sentinel]

Ah aight thanks

And pray jolt gets kicked I guess lol

I don't trust attempting to relfect tornadoes, they have 1-2 shot me too many times for me to ever stand in front again

Jolt does have a 20% chance of going on me for sure

Or is the other one casting gust, that's always on tank

[strong forum]

Jolts should be interrupted

[sick sentinel]

@sick sentinel it fails on me too often as well but at least early in the dungeon

that's exacly 100% my problem

After they gutted its damage, may be not worth anymore

early in dungeon first boss first of 2 mini boss sort of right and it's 1 of very first abilities he does, so it tells u who is paying attention or not

It would sorta predict a doomed run perhaps

Saving some time

[dawn pagoda]

Guys is there a best racial for prot ?

[sick sentinel]

and also so that if u wipe to it for those reasons, ppl will become nervous and quite likely to leave if 2 dps or a tank/healer dies

Dwarf racial

Belf for horde probably for the dispel

orc is good, but there are a million

[brittle owl]

That sounds racist damn
d/w man this discord is scatological anyway

[dawn pagoda]

i see alot of high io ppl play panda why is that?

[brittle owl]

it's shades of piss and poop anyway

[sick sentinel]

Food buff even better with amps

[brittle owl]

oh and theres some blue people somewhere

and red, but that can also be busted hemorrhoid poop

[sick sentinel]

Lel yeah it looks pretty shitty

[brittle owl]

ayyy

👉 👉

[sweet summit]

Haha poop

[steep bone]

[sick sentinel]

@icy harness @undone sun GO

[icy harness]

I can't Erga is watching

But @undone sun you're pinkpilled soy

[sick sentinel]

Wouldn't wanna meet him in a dark alley

[icy harness]

I am the dark alley itself

[sweet summit]

👀

[icy harness]

The 6ft6, gaming golem, 62' vertical leap, the gaming champion

4% body fat, I'm running on pure muscle

[sick sentinel]

10 to one on vynnir, place your bets

[icy harness]

Calves so sharp I can trim your hair with a swift kick

I eat breakfast off my pecs, I don't use plates

And that breakfast is pure mk677

[sick sentinel]

Thyme hiding somewhere?

[icy harness]

Poor thyme

[sweet summit]

Yes, he is scared

[icy harness]

I am furious

[sick sentinel]

Man's got muted yesterday

[icy harness]

He muted me for bugging on a stack yo

[sweet summit]

Lmao rekt

[icy harness]

But in this land, thyme has no power

His crown on the ground, now I step up

To the throne

The throne of thunder

[strong forum]

[sick sentinel]

Inb4 he mutes you again

[icy harness]

I wouldn't be surprised

Damn Gill is not on this server

You know the Pink Bear dude from yesterday

[sweet summit]

Who

[sick sentinel]

Oh I know him

Seangilll

[icy harness]

Yes

[sick sentinel]

Biggest soy of them all

[icy harness]

If you go on his Twitter

[sweet summit]

Mate

Go DMs

If u wanna chat shit

[icy harness]

Last sentence I swear

[sick sentinel]

It's ok vynnir mains prot

[steep bone]

#general ?

[icy harness]

Alright fine

[sweet summit]

😄

[median pilot]

Hey what major essence would you use as a prot warrior this week at 20+ keys?

I have 60% vers from all sources

[modern brook]

? same as every other week

[median pilot]

C&S ?

[sweet summit]

Or vop
Or lucid

[steep bone]

cns is actually fun

😄

don't have to press lucid ayy lmao

[sweet summit]

Vop owns

[median pilot]

do you always go VoP or do you change according to dungeon

[sweet summit]

Depends

[steep bone]

u always go vop minor

or i think 99,99% cases

major depends

[strong forum]

With vers build its actually viable to run vop major again

Tbh

[sweet summit]

Ya

[steep bone]

[sweet summit]

Vop owns

[modern brook]

what a world

[sweet summit]

Is wild out here

[steep bone]

@sweet summit check dms pls

[sweet summit]

😳

[steep bone]

😦

[sick sentinel]

it's gunna be so weird once corruption poof goes away

quickly as it come it go away.

[modern brook]

corruption was a mistake

[sweet summit]

Die vers die

[modern brook]

it takes a lot of talent to manage to make a system shittier than titan forging

but they managed it

[steep bone]

i 100 times more preffered TF

[modern brook]

I didnt like TF but its better than the original corruption roll out

the current iteration of corruption is more akin to Legendaries than TF tbh

[steep bone]

I mean I'd like it if.... lfr TF would go to base level of nm raid, nm base of hc and hc base of mythic

[modern brook]

and its shittier then them too

make 👏 loot 👏 dustable 👏

[sweet summit]

Corruption is very confusing for new players it seems

[modern brook]

just let me turn rings into ring dust and with 1000 ring dust i can up the ilvl of a ring i care about

Corruption literally says "oh have you been playing since S4 started? No? sorry you're not allowed to play then"

[sweet summit]

Yeah, that too

[steep bone]

wdym

i got pretty nice gear

😄

[brittle owl]

corruption go brrrrr

[summer lotus]

corruption is fun, but yea also its time to go

[steep bone]

if it was less of a grind

[modern brook]

Corruption is literally a time gate

[summer lotus]

its not even grind, more like waiting

[steep bone]

you still have grind echoes

[summer lotus]

yeah but thats like picking up pennies on trainstation, you rather wait for reset to get way more from assaults

[sweet summit]

👀

[ionic fern]

Just don't use corruption.

😋

[sweet summit]

Truuuue

[summer lotus]

but proc

[brittle owl]

die corruption die

[sick sentinel]

is WayCrest Manor same as junk where you can walk in on N/H to double check what doors will open so u can plan route?

[sweet summit]

No

Rng

[sick sentinel]

crap

[sweet summit]

Yep

[sick sentinel]

okay, but i know if the left up door opens, it makes it 10,000 times easier

are there early tells that a door will open once u've started run?

[sweet summit]

No

Just open eyes and look

[sick sentinel]

hmm, okay, i need an easy 16 to time is why lol

2 points from 2k

[sweet summit]

Oo

U got it

I believe

[raven knoll]

is unbridled my go to pot in m+?

[main vault]

You should be using a mixture of about 5-6 pots

Maybe like 8

[novel ruin]

I only use unbridled but I’m lazy

[sweet summit]

Mood

[novel ruin]

I barely have bag space, if I used every single pot I should, I would have to download Opie and have no more bag space for that sweet avoidance 465 loot

[sweet summit]

Opie is a gamechanger

[steep bone]

Opie is OP

[main vault]

Should download opie anyways

[steep bone]

aye

OPie should be built-in wow

[modern brook]

Unbridled fury is bae tbh

Usable in every fight

[steep condor]

for tanking up to mythic 15 keys should i just stack td3 and use vers/haste gear?

[modern brook]

No

Stack td X and use haste crit

[sweet summit]

ilvl>haste>crit
get loads of TD, IT1 x2 is great too

[modern brook]

Level doesnt matter on td

[still pagoda]

all in on TD and highest ilvl haste items

[steep condor]

ok

[modern brook]

Yeah sorry I figured ilvl first is implied at this point

[main vault]

It’s not

[steep condor]

ok ilvl first.. then haste.. and td gear no matter how low the ilvl?

[main vault]

Never assume

People are dumb

[steep condor]

dumb?

[sweet summit]

no, TD>ilvl on non weap/shield items

[steep condor]

k

[sweet summit]

not you, hes just a toxic old man

[steep condor]

will read pins on azerite traits etc.. thx for advice on corruption

[main vault]

Idk how that’s toxic but 😦

[sweet summit]

there's a pin about corruptions too

sorry i was toxic i didnt mean that

[steep condor]

it's all good man - i realise you were not talking about me specifically and were just making a generic statement ❤️

[still pagoda]

I mean

Constant stess on top of not being able to relax can make a toxic cunt out of anyone

That's normal

[steep condor]

seems not to be azerite and essences on sub 20 key advice in pins. Should i refer to wowhead? is that info up to date?

[sweet summit]

azerite is the same for every key level basically

[still pagoda]

^

[sweet summit]

VoP major
Lucid+CnS+Sphere/Aegis/Warden minors

[steep condor]

thx - no azerite info in pin either though. Is wowhead the go-to? don't wanna keep annoying ppl in here with questions that have been asked lots already

[sweet summit]

icy veins

[steep condor]

ahh wasn't expecting that - thanks!

[limpid pawn]

Hey for siege of Boralus

Is it necessary still to tag the low HP gutter ?

To get the % from the pair

[novel ruin]

@steep condor https://docs.google.com/document/d/1K1dqat0WwBJ7faXu71DWyCDRzx5Lf0o22LonVOcji_U/edit

@limpid pawn I believe so but I don’t play horde, but that’s usually how most mobs fighting each other works

[modern brook]

Yes its required

@novel ruin u need a copy editor Smh

[novel ruin]

???

[modern brook]

U got TYPOS friend

[novel ruin]

...it’s not final version

And vers is always typo

[modern brook]

Imagine having an imperfect draft smh

[novel ruin]

Imagine playing imperfectly lol

Just hit the right buttons forhead

Forehead*

[modern brook]

4head

[mellow patio]

Daily reminder that Game sucks

[novel ruin]

I’m having a blast this week

[steep condor]

@steep condor https://docs.google.com/document/d/1K1dqat0WwBJ7faXu71DWyCDRzx5Lf0o22LonVOcji_U/edit
@novel ruin thanks.

[sick sentinel]

hey bois, i'm 478 now and we're smashing 12/12 heroic runs for our new recruits to get them gear. Seeing as I am overgeared for the majority of the instance, I want to play around with doing as much dmg as possible as a tank. Any recommendations for a higher dmg build?

[steep bone]

full td

haste crit

[sweet summit]

@novel ruin MATE

Overwhelming Power > Lifespeed >= Blood Siphon (if doing keys high enough that Leech is impactful to stack, full vers and 24+ keys) >= Unstable Flames >=Meticulous Scheming >= Elemental Whirl
MS isnt on that row, pls fix

[sick sentinel]

how much td is full? I'm rocking 4/5 usually

[sweet summit]

TD7 this week

[steep bone]

well whatever that makes you feel safe

but its also nice to squeeze 2x it

[sweet summit]

TD 6 if u want 2x IT1

or TD5 +2x IT1 below 40?

[sick sentinel]

I got my wrath 1 hander last night so i need to put TD 1 on it tomorrow at reset

[sweet summit]

dont

buy

td1

from

[steep bone]

if he's doing heroic with such gear he can pretty easily go to 59

[sweet summit]

mother

[sick sentinel]

no?

[steep bone]

no worth it

[sick sentinel]

i have 30k echoes lol

[sweet summit]

look at the price

no value

TD 2 or 3 is big value

[sick sentinel]

gotcha

I'll do a 2 on it then

[steep bone]

i'ts probs better to squeeze some expedient

[sweet summit]

unless you need the TD1 to complete a corruption "breakpoint"

[sick sentinel]

that will put me at 6

[limpid pawn]

In siege, pulling the gutters across the river before second obalisk

How is that done exactly?

[sick sentinel]

I'm buying 2 IT on Tuesday and the rest is going to be TD

[limpid pawn]

They usually evade bug for me

[novel ruin]

@sweet summit ooo. Good catch, thank you

[sweet summit]

[deep steppe]

Is the Wrath 1h the best at 475?

[strong forum]

Wrathion and Atal weapon at 475 yes

Carapace is bis overall cuz it's 485

[deep steppe]

And I assume since ya know, tank TD go BRRRRRRRRRRR

its best to cleanse it and put on td?

[mellow patio]

It is not as good as TD, so if you have the option sure

[deep steppe]

❤️

[strong forum]

Ah you meant the corruption

Ye that one is meh at best

[deep steppe]

Home much corruption should i be sitting at? below 40?

or do we push it to under 60?

[steep bone]

whatever you feel comfortable with

its either 39 or 59

dunno if someone's going past 60 tho

[distant crystal]

i feel like only mages can pull off 60-79 builds

safely

[steep bone]

what about hpalas

aren't they going like 72?

[distant crystal]

not that i've seen

hard to get 72 when you're running a bunch of IT1s

looks like they mostly run <40

[steep bone]

might seen wrong then

[prisma crane]

BDKs can run more too since they cant be slowed as much

DH can also relatively easily handle 60+

[sweet summit]

2chested a 24 jy my god this week is a meme

we inted so hard

[deep steppe]

ok last question (for now)

what weapon enchant do i want?

is it quick nav?

[undone sun]

force multi is the popular pick

[distant crystal]

idk how a wheelchair bdk could deal with cascading disaster

unless they just lol deathstrike it

[sweet summit]

deathstrike lol

tfb counts for ds healing btw

[distant crystal]

they're squishy enough as is

[sweet summit]

ams 4head

[distant crystal]

mages can run 2 charges of nova and just root em lol

[sweet summit]

mages are not people

[distant crystal]

and 1 shimmer will get you out of eye instantly up to the high 70's

[sick sentinel]

mages are not people

[distant crystal]

mages are the only people

[sick sentinel]

say it louder for the people in the back

[distant crystal]

everyone else is just there to help the mage pump

[sick sentinel]

mages are worthless

[distant crystal]

dat projection

😏

[civic rover]

feral druids can run 79 iirc

bc cant they just root tfb

[brittle owl]

tfb is the least of your problems when running high corruption

bigass eye, fuck you slow is what kills you

every tank can deal with tfb quite fine

the slow? not many, the bigass eye? no one can deal with that properly

[sick sentinel]

so i saw you either stop at 39 or 59

what's the benefit of pushing into the 40s?

[steep bone]

more corruptions

i mean if you've maxed cloak

you can have td5-6 and be sub 40

or vers amps

[distant crystal]

not sure what i'd run when cloak gets maxed

i think TD6+2xIT1+1xExp3 is 59

[sick sentinel]

would you run 59 in mythic nya though?

[distant crystal]

might avoid it for certain bosses when progging but it's mostly fine

[sick sentinel]

TFB just seems like an extra added mitigation to worry about

[distant crystal]

it's p minor

[steep bone]

depends if you're on prog and how well you deal with bosses

[sick sentinel]

you can spell reflect it right?

[sweet summit]

yes

[steep bone]

i wouldn't run it on nzoth myself

[distant crystal]

spell reflect negates eye without even being consumed

[sweet summit]

you can spell reflect for 5 sec immunity vs eye too

[distant crystal]

and it gets consumed to negate tfb

[sick sentinel]

oh what

didnt know that

[brittle owl]

you can run 59 on every boss in nya with 0 issues

[distant crystal]

that big value when you want to reflect a spell and you're standing in eye

[brittle owl]

i'd drop sub 40 on prog for ilgynoth and nzoth, maybe

[distant crystal]

hit it a bit early and munch a few eye stacks too

[steep bone]

on nzoth you can reflect anguishes so it's great

[brittle owl]

rn with the dps and nerfs it might not be needed

[distant crystal]

pressing avatar also deletes the slow

[brittle owl]

you have leap for most inconvenient slows

[steep bone]

or charge on your party member

[distant crystal]

and iirc vision procs also delete it

[sick sentinel]

yeah avatar on Wrathion is very very stress relieving

[brittle owl]

the only bosses where thing can actually wombo you are nzoth and ilgy

[distant crystal]

tho i don't think ppl run vision a lot in raid

[steep bone]

crucible major ftw

[brittle owl]

so it's a bad idea for prog to go over 40

[steep bone]

not bad

depends on your team and yourself

[brittle owl]

i played 55-58 corruption in nya on prog on paladin and dh, only took off and went sub 40 for nzoth

[sick sentinel]

we're only farming first three because we had to do a lot of recruiting, so we're gearing ppl in heroic again. Vision working for me as a major for Wrath stacks and avatar on use as well

[brittle owl]

you don't need anything for wrathion

just stand still

stand on either side of him with your cotank on the opposite side

and raid in the middle

[sick sentinel]

we do that

[brittle owl]

and just don't move

[sick sentinel]

its more for when he ports around the room

[brittle owl]

you reset stacks naturally

when he ports around the room just engage brain

[sick sentinel]

as an on use clear then leap to ppl

[brittle owl]

wait for the swirlies, leap and intercept

2 stacks gained, gg

[steep bone]

you don't need to move as tank on wrathion, going vision is meh

[sick sentinel]

see this is why i love you guys. Still learning common sense shit

[steep bone]

you just stand in one place

and taunt

[sick sentinel]

yeah i am either at his front or opposite side

for that reason

[brittle owl]

and when you go back to boss you warlock port+itercept and reposition

[steep bone]

just make sure that when you taunt hes not gonna breath on your raid

[brittle owl]

thats another 5-10ish stacks

that drop off until the next movement

[steep bone]

can ask for freedom too

[civic rover]

you dont evenhave to be on opposite sides on wrathion

you can be on the same side at different angles

[sick sentinel]

good point

[steep bone]

most common ive seen was like 2-1 are tanks so its like 100% noones gonna get clipped

[brittle owl]

that one is easier to get into position

but yeah you can be at diff angles if thats how you got used to doing it

you can tailswipe your cotank with this strat

in case he talks shit

which is infinitely beneficial

[sick sentinel]

LMAO

[sick sentinel]

my buddy and i compete

[steep bone]

depends

[sick sentinel]

been cotanking for about 6 years

maybemore

[steep bone]

but it's up to your group what works best ;D

[sick sentinel]

sometimes i dont taunt and let him panic

[brittle owl]

even more reason to tailswipe him

[sick sentinel]

bosses that say taunt on 2 i might let it go to 3

lol

[steep bone]

you may insta fell if get third hit

[brittle owl]

nah

just need to shieldwall

or last stand

LS should actually be enough to barely survive it

[sick sentinel]

so on Maut we do 2 skin phases, and then last add phase i tank 2-3 adds until boss dies

at first we tried the holding adds out of muat strat

realistically is there any way to survive 4 stacks with that strat

because it hurt

[brittle owl]

we held adds in pools and had a warr + a hunter on them

realistically is there any way to survive 4 stacks with that strat
@sick sentinel you can survive 7-8 easily

[sick sentinel]

whoa what

[brittle owl]

just gotta use externals/cd's properly

[sick sentinel]

interesting

[arctic python]

which essences do you usually run for tanking mythic znoth?

[still pagoda]

interesting
@sick sentinel

Nothing interesting in proper usage of your own CD's and just asking for that one iron bark

yay

full set

[modern brook]

if only it looked good

🔫

[onyx vessel]

gotta love pugging keys as a tank

do nothing wrong

[still pagoda]

i hate it by now

[onyx vessel]

get blamed by some trash who died 10-15 times

[still pagoda]

see this all the time

welcome to pugging

[onyx vessel]

fury warrior btw

how does 1 die as fury warrior

[still pagoda]

[mental scarab]

Pull aggro 🤩

[onyx vessel]

nope

[mental scarab]

Do it all the time when my heal frend tanks

[still pagoda]

doing sims for fury rn

maybe i will be able to make something that works for M+ without BotE major

for now

[onyx vessel]

yeah thats me when i dps during skittish

cuz my guilds mt likes to play his dogshit alt tanks

during it

[mental scarab]

For i dont know fury warriors Do most treath of all the dps 👀

[onyx vessel]

im like ima just ww

rips anyways

[mental scarab]

Haha

[onyx vessel]

[still pagoda]

@onyx vessel

Included Lucid+AM into the simulation pull

[onyx vessel]

lucid

just gonna play arms during skittish weeks or prot

[still pagoda]

just because i don't have enough tokens to buy out R2 and R3 of BotE

[onyx vessel]

REEEEEEEEE

[still pagoda]

[brittle owl]

bote

🤮

[still pagoda]

simming how much R3 BotE will give me

bote

📈

[brittle owl]

🤮

[onyx vessel]

bote as prot tho 👍

[civic rover]

anima major 😎

[brittle owl]

ripple

[subtle tiger]

Since when are pandaren and vulpera the meta race for prot instead of highmountain

[sweet summit]

since when was hm tauren meta?? xd

[tame garden]

vulpera bis since day 1

[civic rover]

since when was race meaningful

i still think dark iron dwarf is bis tho

[still pagoda]

since when was race meaningful [2]

i still think dark iron dwarf is bis tho
@civic rover

Because of the book of grudges memes*

[civic rover]

nah bruh

insta cleanse necrotic 😎

[sweet summit]

norm dorf>>>>>red poop

[civic rover]

normal dwarf has bis heritage armor

@subtle tiger to actually answer your question when vers stacking the double food buff from panda is pretty beneficial, moreso than the 1% vers from HMT iirc.

and vulpera nose for trouble is just good

[subtle tiger]

I see! And agreed for a scrub like me it doesnt matter. Was just wondering :) thnx @civic rover !

[mellow patio]

Yes panda is meta do not let others tell you otherwise

[civic rover]

i race changed to high mountain tauren the other day from panda

[mellow patio]

Weak

[still pagoda]

👀

[civic rover]

my monk will always be panda tho

[mellow patio]

Weak

[still pagoda]

from normal draenei to belf

📈

[mellow patio]

All characters eligible to be panda are panda

[wet fable]

HOOFS UNITE!

[civic rover]

if i played alliance i'd be kul tiran

[mellow patio]

Panda

[civic rover]

maybe i should go alliance just go be kul tiran

[still pagoda]

if i played alliance i'd still play goatgirls

[cinder nova]

Found a way to do TD6 on Maut and not kill myself

Just do add tanking and blow all my CDs rotationally on stone phase

bigbrain warrior

[mellow patio]

But

Your parse

[cinder nova]

Oh yeah my parse was shit

But we were progging and had a perfectly good DH that has a gigadick sized HP pool

[mellow patio]

Dh gud

Luv dh

[cinder nova]

No sense in letting my pride jump in front of raid prog because I wanna tank a boss that ticks for 270K

Dumb shit right there

[mellow patio]

Sold a mythic slapper yesterday on my dh 😎

[civic rover]

i sold a mythic vita yesterday

[mellow patio]

People pay for a mythic vita? Lmao

[civic rover]

not sure what kind of BS luck i have to get two in a row two weeks

but hey, free like 200k gold or whatever

[cinder nova]

I'm week 6 of clearing Wrathion on every difficulty

No scale

Still got a 415 rezan's

Kill me

[civic rover]

it was a sale run and the DH buyer when i opened trade just put 200k gold in it

[cinder nova]

Mythic + Roll > Heroic + Roll > Normal > LFR

Nothing.

End me

[mellow patio]

Gross that you made 200k off that. We made 300k just for the slapper yesterday

Cause after many many weeks of kills we finally all have them

[civic rover]

i didnt even ask him to pay for it

[mellow patio]

Never turn down 200k gold

Always accept trade

[civic rover]

he already spent like 2mil on first 3+hive+raden

i dont understand how people are so willing to spend millions of gold on carries unless it's like a CE mount

if I had 2mil gold to spend I wouldn't spend it on a carry

[mellow patio]

We sell hive+ra den for 500k :^) 800 if you want a slapper

People will pay big gold for nzoth carries

And for what that mount is ugly as shit

[civic rover]

on the other hand, my entire raid team now has brutosaurs

[mellow patio]

That seems like a waste of gold lmao

[civic rover]

we're probably gonna stop sales for now but like the last month of the xpac we're gonna sell aotc and ce mounts

when the value will shoot back up when people realize "wait i have a month left"

[mellow patio]

Sell Ce mounts now while value is still high

[still pagoda]

on the other hand, my entire raid team now has brutosaurs
@civic rover

[mellow patio]

When prepatch gets close it won’t be worth nearly as much

[civic rover]

we wanna wait til we can consistently one shot M nzoth without carries first, which we're not super far off

[mellow patio]

Fair enough

[mental scarab]

dont rly get it why ppl pay for gear this l8 in the xp pac O_O mounts titels sure

[civic rover]

what i dont get is when people post like raid logs in /r/competitivewow asking whats going on, why they cant kill the boss, and i look at all their raid teams gear and people don't have sockets/optimized corruption. how tf are people mythic raiding without optimized gear like 8 months into the tier. you can literally buy sockets now, and you can minmax corruption.

"why cant we make the dps check on shad'har" no one has more than four sockets and like 7 people in the raid have minmaxed corruption

[rigid sinew]

theres a dps check on shad?

[sweet summit]

there used to be

[tame garden]

was there tho

[sweet summit]

if you were bad like us, kinda

[arctic canyon]

Hey all, quick question: is there a Horde race thats the generally accepted meta for protection? I'm gonna transfer from Alliance but can't pick a race.

[distant crystal]

whichever one looks coolest

specifically from overhead/behind

[sweet summit]

belf

[distant crystal]

none of them are dwarf so it doesn't matter 😏

[hallow phoenix]

Big fan of male undead animations

[arctic canyon]

There's too many good lookin' options, Zandalari and Orc look great

[sweet summit]

sand trolls are cool

[arctic canyon]

I guess I was hoping there was a meta race for raids since I like most of the appearances

[sweet summit]

not really

[undone sun]

especially in raids, marginal differences

[arctic canyon]

Well, shoot. Thanks for the input though!

[distant crystal]

panda is always a p good one if you want a versatile racial

you can pick which stat it gives ya

[civic rover]

tauren

everything is 100% more awesome when you're a tauren

[undone sun]

[cinder pasture]

Except walking through doors

[dusk loom]

anyone know how to get logs to show damage while active? rather than a view over the whole dungeon including downtime?

[sweet summit]

hover over active%

[dusk loom]

ah on the page that shows everyone not in the drill down for personal results

ty

[steep condor]

i guess this is as a good a place as any to ask about this - but i quite intimidated by remembering routes and the pulls required to make forces. I've tried using MDT. But, basically i'm never sure of what i'm doing. Feel like a total fail.

How the heck do you all remember the pulls?

[marble cipher]

By doing them over, and over, and over, and over

[steep condor]

i guess i am paying the price for coming late in to the expansion - i feel like it's too late in the xpac to start learning them now

[marble cipher]

On some dungeons I don't really care though, I'll sometimes be over % a bit, or under a bit. But on my levels it's totally fine and you got some time to make up for that (17-19 ish keys)