protection

[brittle owl]

maybe run some td

😉

[mellow patio]

Why do I have to sacrifice my pump so healer can pump

[ionic fern]

But w/e works for you. 🤷
Tank him if you want to.

[brittle owl]

get more than 10 seconds off the timer

[novel ruin]

Then I can’t facetank tank buster

[brittle owl]

ya tru

kek

the cycle continues

[novel ruin]

XD

[ionic fern]

Run cyclo trinket for ranged damage while kiting.

Big

Brain.

[novel ruin]

I do have 475

[brittle owl]

wat

[novel ruin]

Ooo

[brittle owl]

how

[novel ruin]

475 fang as well

[brittle owl]

fang big pümp

bis trinket

[novel ruin]

Ima make my stand

Either tank buster dies during my fang cast or I die

It’s the last stand, guys

[ionic fern]

👍

[brittle owl]

true big brain flex is doing all minibosses on last boss and casting fang on all of them

[ionic fern]

I mostly pug so i don't trust people to know what they are doing so i just kite it when doing higher keys.

[brittle owl]

that is the power move of the century

[novel ruin]

I do both depending on situation

Ima try that now

Which boss

[brittle owl]

i pug(ged) too but also vdh is dummy thicc so i just brows joe rogan podcasts while mashing 1

[ionic fern]

Is 1....shear?

[pearl summit]

with all this vers amping we barely take damage from the tank buster

just tank it

[mellow patio]

Fracture mwahi

Try to keep up

[ionic fern]

Most people don't stack vers amps @pearl summit .

[brittle owl]

1 is the alpha the omega the beggining and the end of every single pack and mythic shadhar since week 2 of mythic

allmighty shear fucking broken ability

[pearl summit]

I usually position near one of his growths to gain CnS vers amp and just stand there, move on to next after it's destroyed if there's no reason to move the guy

🤷‍♂️

[mellow patio]

Vers is beta

[pearl summit]

and if you don't play high enough keys to need vers amping you can still facetank the guy

[novel ruin]

@pearl summit in higher keys, it actually takes more time for you to dps it than to kite and have healer dps it

[mellow patio]

I am alpha

[ionic fern]

Ofc you can facetank him.

😒

[undone sun]

i am thyme

[brittle owl]

pillow suits are whack yes

[ionic fern]

That was never the argument.

[brittle owl]

you were never the argument

[mellow patio]

Turn your back after spirit breaker or no balls

[brittle owl]

fukken gottem bois

[ionic fern]

True

[novel ruin]

I’ve just been meming

[pearl summit]

The argument is whether or not it's worth, and I say it's worth to do it as much as possible the times you can without taking insane amounts of damage by doing so

[ionic fern]

Just facetank and leech to full hp.

[undone sun]

[pearl summit]

If you can take every hit without having your HP bar go blood DK it's fine

[mellow patio]

I meme so much I am not sure what is a meme anymore

[novel ruin]

Plus by you facetanking for long periods, you put the entire group at risk

[crude notch]

Imagine playing a tank that can't turn their back to spirit breaker.

Betas

[ionic fern]

?

[brittle owl]

is this all a meme? have we been memeing all this thyme?

[mellow patio]

laughs in bear

[sweet summit]

Wecan

[ionic fern]

We can @crude notch We can't block it anyways

So we don't have to face him.

😂

[undone sun]

all i've ever known from hawgz is meme

[pearl summit]

Why would it put the group at risk

[mellow patio]

Hey sometimes I give good advice

[brittle owl]

honestly

fuck the group

[crude notch]

Hawgz, how is the leech build coming?

[brittle owl]

dead weight anyway

[ionic fern]

Hawgz is the inferior leech builder now.

[brittle owl]

leech builder

[pearl summit]

Just turn the fucker away from the group and have your dps at the guys back, they can always move out of circle for free and go back to blasting

[crude notch]

Mwahi you gotta do a better job at hiding that you want to main guardian, hell your name is orange.

[pearl summit]

assert dominance

[brittle owl]

is that like a bodybuilder just for social parasites?

[ionic fern]

Yes.

😂

[brittle owl]

yes to what

[mellow patio]

And you know then sometimes I don’t

[ionic fern]

Yes to everything.

[brittle owl]

yes

[mellow patio]

My leech build is coming along nicely

[ionic fern]

How much @mellow patio ?

[mellow patio]

If only Lucid was a 1 minute cd

[crude notch]

Looks like I have to main Prot Warrior in SL since they won't be meta anymore.

[mellow patio]

I’m at 35% rn

[ionic fern]

Noob.

I'm at 36%

[mellow patio]

Shiet

[crude notch]

36.1% or gtfo

[pearl summit]

5%

[ionic fern]

😂

[novel ruin]

Because it can kill you in 2 hits on a higher key. Which can force you or healer to pop bigger CDs which is the wrong play. He is used as a CD reset. And if you die, the group either dies or spends a ton of time playing taunt tag wasting the time you would have gained by facetanking.

[undone sun]

has to be .1%

[ionic fern]

I should run bloodsports.

[mellow patio]

I’ll do it

[brittle owl]

i should get off discord and do my training

[crude notch]

Do it, you won't

[brittle owl]

byeeeee

[ionic fern]

See you.

[novel ruin]

Bye

[ionic fern]

I won't. 😦

[crude notch]

Bye felicia

[steep bone]

@novel ruin cant You let hunter taunt it for spirit breaker if u have one in group?

[mellow patio]

If hunter taunts

[novel ruin]

Yes but usually a waste

[mellow patio]

Taunt back

Or beta

[pearl summit]

zz

[steep bone]

When tank died i was taunting with voidwqlker so hunter could pump

200iq plays

[pearl summit]

Take first three hits rotating demo shout/n'zoth trinket, kite after next hit for a few seconds to line spirit breaker up into dark fury

facetank

go agane

in giga high keys

[ionic fern]

Wow, someone actually invited a warlock to a key.

[mellow patio]

I ran with a warlock today

[ionic fern]

I rarely see them.

😦

[mellow patio]

Under the premise that I refuse to pull around him

[novel ruin]

Sure

Not all of us have LPS

[pearl summit]

yikes

[crude notch]

Get one 4head

[steep bone]

Wow, someone actually invited a warlock to a key.
@ionic fern done that with guildies for weekly caps xD

[novel ruin]

Nzoth hasn’t been kind

[crude notch]

Thought my nitro expired then I remembered I'm in skyhold

[pearl summit]

even a normal version is good enough

lmao

trinket is busted

[novel ruin]

I wouldn’t use it over vita or Alch stone

[pearl summit]

aaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh whatever dude

[novel ruin]

Some cases it’s good

[pearl summit]

you don't fuck around not playing it in higher keys nowadays anyway

only expection I can ever think of would be playing vita in junkyard

but even then

[novel ruin]

But if you aren’t using it every 60-90sec, you are wasting the trinket slot

It’s dungeon specific. Gets more value in KR, Workshop, Atal

[steep bone]

Rezan

[supple cloak]

I use it almost on cd

[novel ruin]

And there have been some dungeon runs where Nerf hasn’t used LPS and instead ops for vita/Alch

[mellow patio]

Rezan is a skid mark

[supple cloak]

Avatar pull, pop LPS once Avatar is down

[novel ruin]

Ye

[supple cloak]

It's a ridiculous amount of mitigation between both Avatar +SB and LPS

I can't see why you wouldn't

[novel ruin]

But I’m doing 24/25 keys just fine without it. Most people aren’t doing those keys and aren’t pressing it nearly enough

[ionic fern]

If you don't NEED it you don't use it. 🤷

[novel ruin]

^

[ionic fern]

There are better options out there if the LPS absorb is not required.

[pearl summit]

why not pull bigger then

yoink

[supple cloak]

Sure, the reasons I would rip a 24/25 aren't because of lack of mitigation on my part, it's because I fucked up a kick call or something more group wide

[novel ruin]

I already pull big lol

[supple cloak]

Or my dps just straight up die

[pearl summit]

trade your dps your LPS

[supple cloak]

I'm rarely the first to die nowadays

[novel ruin]

An extra 300k mitigation every 60s isn’t gonna allow me to pull bigger

Dps die usually while I finish a pull lol

[supple cloak]

My dps are more likely to miss a kick that I called than me dying straight up to damage

[steep bone]

Tell your dps to let You pull
You started pull
Going to next pack
Dh jumps with meta beam td proc iris
dh: shit tank dh leaves

[novel ruin]

Shaman uses LPS

[supple cloak]

Or die to tyrannical mechanics because healer

[novel ruin]

Who plays high keys on tyran???

[supple cloak]

<-- this idiot

[novel ruin]

Oh wait, me. Spent 110min in 25 td this week

[supple cloak]

oof

[ionic fern]

👍

[supple cloak]

That being said, LPS is still handy to have as an extra wall

[novel ruin]

Agreed

[supple cloak]

like if you want to flex against soulbound goliath

and never burn it

[novel ruin]

I already do lol

[supple cloak]

that kind of thing

[mellow patio]

Burn it just to irritate healer

[novel ruin]

73 stacks on a 23 is my highest so far

[mellow patio]

brain explodes

[steep bone]

Burn it while healer is rooted

[supple cloak]

73 stacks? you need stronger dps

[novel ruin]

We were purposely letting it go up

[supple cloak]

ok ok mb

didnt know i was talking to a professional 🙂

[novel ruin]

Usually kill around 50-60, no Fire Mage in my comp 😦

[supple cloak]

yeah never seen it go past ~60

[ionic fern]

@novel ruin 110m is rookie numbers.

[mellow patio]

I ran a meme with fire mage and double ret today

[supple cloak]

"over time by 1:46:03"

wat

[novel ruin]

8.2 launch or something?

[mellow patio]

That’s commitment

I respect the hell out of the no leaver

[ionic fern]

Jep.

[supple cloak]

i would've /afk'ed out of my guild run there

[ionic fern]

It was a premade group.

[novel ruin]

Start of 8.3 I spent over 2 hours in 15 Atal, we had over 300 deaths

[ionic fern]

We wanted high keys for the next week for gear.

420 ilvl.

Lets go.

😂

[novel ruin]

Called it since we couldn’t get last boss down

[supple cloak]

on a seperate note, while i have you here, @ionic fern are you shirtless in your profile picture

[mellow patio]

Was it tyr? Tyr atal fucked at the beginning of 8.3 lmao

[ionic fern]

No.

😒

[novel ruin]

Yeah

[ionic fern]

IT'S A WHITE SHIRT.

[novel ruin]

And I wasn’t the same player as I am now

[supple cloak]

bruh you are pasty then

[mellow patio]

We wiped on yazma like 6 or 7 times

[ionic fern]

It was Bolstering/Grievous/Fort @mellow patio

[novel ruin]

@ionic fern I keep thinking you have a Mohawk but’s it’s just background

[ionic fern]

😂

[mellow patio]

I wish mwahi had a Mohawk

[supple cloak]

maybe i need a bigger monitor but you straight up look like a mohawk'ed shirtless skinhead

[undone sun]

lmao

[mellow patio]

Jesus

Lmao

[ionic fern]

Sounds reasonable.

😂

[steep bone]

What on small phone screen his shirt is clearly visible

[novel ruin]

^

[ionic fern]

I've lost all my hair arguing about leech in this discord.

😒

[novel ruin]

Rofl

[supple cloak]

ecks dee

[mellow patio]

There is still some left on your face

I will take it

[steep bone]

Lost all mine before i even turned 21

[supple cloak]

you look like edward norton's character in americna history x

[mellow patio]

I will take that beard from you before I retire from wow

[novel ruin]

[ionic fern]

Not gonna lie, you're not the first one to say that @supple cloak

😂

[supple cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/fu-americanhistoryx-edward-norton-gif-12545255

[novel ruin]

Time for bed. Have a good morning you Europeans.

[supple cloak]

^ @ionic fern irl

[ionic fern]

HEY, i'm polite as hell.

[steep bone]

Goodnight @novel ruin gl with weekly

[supple cloak]

(plz dont ban me)

[novel ruin]

U2

[mellow patio]

Mwahi will I get banned if I make up fake math to go against everything you say in shadowlands

[ionic fern]

No.

[mellow patio]

😎

promoted to theory crafter

[ionic fern]

You can make up allll the fake math you want.
The problem starts when you go around spreading that fake math.

[mellow patio]

So if I tell people my math is real

I will be banned

[supple cloak]

no, you just make your own warrior discord, get wowhead's endorsement and skyhold fades into obscurity

[ionic fern]

Should i just pre-emptively ban you @mellow patio ?

😂

[undone sun]

👀

[mellow patio]

New warrior discord: skyhawgz

[undone sun]

valhalla

[steep bone]

Banhalla ^

[supple cloak]

i for one welcome our new valajar overlords

[mellow patio]

Don’t ban me

I am the gall bladder of this community

[ionic fern]

You play a panda so you're fine.

[mellow patio]

I may not be essential but you will notice if I’m gone

[supple cloak]

who r u again

[undone sun]

who are you

[mellow patio]

Who is who

[steep bone]

Guys serious warrior question, waffles for breakfast yay or nay?

[mellow patio]

Who are you?

[supple cloak]

yay

[undone sun]

yes @steep bone

[mellow patio]

Only if there is chicken right next to em

[supple cloak]

• canadian maple syrup

[ionic fern]

I will say.."No".
Just to make you question yourself @steep bone .

[supple cloak]

hnnggg

[steep bone]

I have two yes votes

[supple cloak]

holy shit @ionic fern 's name is in orange

[steep bone]

One no

[supple cloak]

WHAT DO YOU DO

[ionic fern]

I say no to waffles.

[steep bone]

@ionic fern are You druid so your name is Orange?

[ionic fern]

Yes.

[undone sun]

the only reason

[ionic fern]

Everyone knows i'm a regular in DG.

[undone sun]

no one can tell you otherwise

[mellow patio]

Speaking of bear discord

[steep bone]

Im gonna make waffles, anyone want?

[undone sun]

the role names are just satire

[mellow patio]

Be right back

[supple cloak]

who tf still unironically plays bear still

im fully convinced that tomoboar is memeing us all

[undone sun]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[mellow patio]

🤚

[ionic fern]

Bears are great. 😦

Just..bland.

But great.

[mellow patio]

The thrash spam is life

[steep bone]

Bears are fun, thrash swipe spam 24/7 ❤️

[supple cloak]

i have all 6 tanks and i'll be the first to say that i hate bfa bear the most

[mellow patio]

Wrong opinion

[supple cloak]

waduhek

[mellow patio]

I also have all 6 and bdk feels the worst

[ionic fern]

I don't like BRM. 😦

[mellow patio]

BRM is just drool on keyboard

[orchid frigate]

when russians type ")" in chat is that some kind of emote?

[ionic fern]

It's the same as " : )"

[orchid frigate]

ah

[undone sun]

))

[steep bone]

It is : )

[supple cloak]

(i actually like purify brew and death strike mechanic)

[steep bone]

Russians have no eyes

)

[mellow patio]

Death strike is fine

It’s how slow it plays that gives me a slow growing tumor

[ionic fern]

Holy

There's some deep things going on.

[undone sun]

see

))

[mellow patio]

)

[ionic fern]

So... " )" is like pity smile.

[mellow patio]

) = 🙂

[steep bone]

)))

= )

[mellow patio]

)) = 😆

[ionic fern]

What if it's )))) tho ?👀

[mellow patio]

)))) = 😝

[ionic fern]

https://tenor.com/view/zootopia-gif-5156482

Does it go like this?

) = first frame
)) = second frame
))) = 3rd frame etc?

[steep bone]

)))))))

D))))))———-))))D

Its just D warping from one side to another

[formal grail]

Soo if you only tank like 16-20, don't worry about fancy essences and just run VoP and all the TD + Ineffable 1 x 2? @novel ruin

[strong forum]

Ya

[steep bone]

He's gone to sleep, but yes if you're not doing higher than 20s just go full TD and 2x rank1 IT

[formal grail]

Im trying to find this awesome doc he made but its lost in history... 😦

[steep bone]

What was in that doc

[strong forum]

I think it was his copy pasta that shows which corruptions to run at what keylevel or smth

[steep bone]

lucid major is also fun if you can use it on cd basically

[ionic fern]

👀

[steep bone]

don't roast me pls

[ionic fern]

The "default" setup works for the majority of people.

I have defaulted into using Lucid for most of my keys. 🤷

For a very long time already

[steep bone]

im getting hang of lucid and it's pretty cool

if vop procs its if it doesnt

[orchid frigate]

think i saw in dreamgrove that you shouldnt go versa until really high. is it so different for bears?

[ionic fern]

VoP is fine as well - it's the most beginner friendly option while still being solid all around.

[orchid frigate]

like +26

[ionic fern]

It's the same for prot warriors.

🤷

[steep bone]

early on i was also using crucible major, because i haven't had enough essences to put into slots 😄

[ionic fern]

It's the same for all tanks for that matter.

You will go for full Vers once the damage intake is going to get too high due to dungeon scaling.

[steep bone]

btw, since lucid has longer cd than avatar and avatar cd gets lowered by anger management (and IT?) does it worth using lucid not lined with avatar?

[strong forum]

You practically have avatar ready on every pull

So it should honestly line up

[orchid frigate]

@ionic fern for me it feels like that i need versa already at +20 in some dungeons 😦

guess im just bad 😦

[ionic fern]

+20 is definitely not versa territory.

It might not be you. 🤷

Your damage intake is very reliant on how good your DPS'ers are with kicks/CC's.

[strong forum]

Also how much dps they output.

But in 20s stuff shouldn't scratch

[ionic fern]

I'm pretty sure i did a +20 recently in my meme leech gear.

😂

[strong forum]

But I've been told leech is our best stat, how come it's a meme?

[ionic fern]

https://tenor.com/view/slap-virtual-slap-boglio-laurene-boglio-gif-13857116

[steep bone]

Wait, isn't leech stackinb bis?

so healer can switch to dps and go tank 4 dps

[strong forum]

[ionic fern]

The amount of PuG healers who just sit there without doing any DPS when the damage intake is not high enough to warrant using a GCD on healing is sad.

[steep bone]

The amount of PuG healers who just sit there without doing any DPS when the damage intake is not high enough to warrant using a GCD on healing is sad. [2]

[strong forum]

"bUt a HEEAaler is sUpPOsed tO heAL"

[steep bone]

healers insist on keeping people at 100% hp and as soon as they drop 5% they panic spam cds

while most of the time they don't have to do more than put one or two hots on someone (assuming people play druid)

[strong forum]

Na i like the "I don't heal my tank until he's 10% hp then use my CDs"

[ionic fern]

I've only had 1 healer who actually let his HoT's do what they were supposed to do.

[steep bone]

i don't like to use healing cds on my tank unless he's global from having to rebuff

[ionic fern]

In general it's :
HoT the tank up
SPam Regrowth until full health instantly after
Let all the HoT's go to waste.

[strong forum]

Don't you just love it when they only spam regrowth

[steep bone]

iM OoOm

[strong forum]

Instead of any hots

[ionic fern]

👍

[strong forum]

So their mastery does fuck all?

[ionic fern]

I only heal on my resto shaman. 😦

[steep bone]

literally hot + lifebloom on whoever takes more dmg, isn't that how it supposed to be?

and wild growth lined with bigger dmg inc

[strong forum]

Haven't healed since mage tower

But I know that much atleast

[steep bone]

Im just speaking from what i've seen rdruids do on streams

[ionic fern]

I do it from time to time..just to see what other tanks are doing and get the healer PoV. 😂

[strong forum]

I would love to heal every now and again, but I don't play classes that can heal and I can't swap away from tank neither is our healer giving up his spot

[ionic fern]

The amount of warriors who never use SB is astonishing.
I'm trying to be polite and tell them to use SB only to be faced with the "I AM!!!!"
Meanwhile i'm tracking their mitigation usage and they use it like once every 5 minutes.

[steep bone]

i tend to forget to use SB

[strong forum]

It's a raid CD you dummy

It's like iceblock

5min CD

[steep bone]

but best quote of my friend 'can you take more dmg, i want to heal some' ❤️

turns back to pack

[strong forum]

Na our healer is screeching 24/7 stop taking dmg I don't want to heal you

And "if you take dmg from this I won't heal you"

[steep bone]

dunno, when i pepegaed as healer i wanted to dps

[strong forum]

Which is inherently true

[steep bone]

especially as rsham

❤️

flame shock stuff and have infinite instant lava bursts

[ionic fern]

Resto shaman is fun indeed.
Wish i knew how to play it properly tho.

😂

[steep bone]

dunno how they do it but in s3 i had rshaman who was PUMPING both hps and dps

[ionic fern]

Probably by clicking their buttons.

[strong forum]

My buddy can give you advice on how to play rsham

"don't"

[steep bone]

rshamans feel slow as healers tho

[strong forum]

It is

Cuz you can't react on dmg

All your casts are 1.5+sec if you die in that window unluck

If you hit your target too soon, before he's low your mastery does fuck all and he could die on the next tick

It's BDK but healer and worse

[steep bone]

I mean riptide initial hits heals for so much sometimes

[strong forum]

Uhm.

What

It doesn't even hit for 100k

[steep bone]

i haven't healed on rsham in a long time

take that in count

[strong forum]

I guess.

[ionic fern]

Riptide is there to give you buffs for Healing Wave etc.

[steep bone]

aye

[ionic fern]

Only time i have issues healing is when i actually have to move for extended periods of time like the blob room in KR.

[strong forum]

But like, in high keys shaman is a terror to missplay, you have to time your heals alot on when it comes to outhealing KR dots for example

[steep bone]

that's why people cry so much that rshams are shit

[strong forum]

1st of all, they are

[steep bone]

cuz actually need more skills to utilize it

i mean up to certain level you can play any tank/healer and be fine

[strong forum]

Well obv

[steep bone]

but one class might be more punishing as other

[strong forum]

And as shaman you need a group that takes 0 dmg

[steep bone]

like on low keys (the ones im doing) i haven't had a single disc who was atleast decent

[ionic fern]

"Take 0 dmg" is wrong..it's more like..."Doesn't take any unneccessary damage".

😂

[strong forum]

Even then playing with a mage + rsham is terror

[steep bone]

are you trying to say that me as a dps have to do something else than look at which button is ready to press?

[ionic fern]

Someone gets hit by something unexpectedly and you have no Cloud burst totem prepped? Well, sucks to be you

[strong forum]

Mage takes so much dmg from everything, even when avoiding unnecessary dmg

[steep bone]

hats off to good rshamans tbh

[ionic fern]

I can't wait for SL to come and Prot warrior to get the community perception of being bad and to get instantly declined from all the keys.

[orchid frigate]

hehe

[strong forum]

Nows the best time to get a group of friends as prot war

Or guild

Cuz in SL, if you have no connections you're gonna have a bad time for a while

[ionic fern]

Even if we get buffed and turn out to be better again the perception will still follow us and will take time to die down.

[strong forum]

Exactly

"unless you're first, you're last"

That's how it works

[steep bone]

"you're gonna have a bad time for a while" until people see prot wars again on first page of r.io

[strong forum]

Idk if that'll happen, but ye thats the only way to escape bad perception

[orchid frigate]

i dont mind being a bit bad as long as the playstyle is fun

[strong forum]

Is either be the best m+ spec or have all the streamers mention every now and again that it's good

[ionic fern]

See...define bad. 👀

[orchid frigate]

taking too much dmg

making too little dps

[steep bone]

i don't want to play bdk but for some reason i want 😦

aren't they safe bet early on?

[orchid frigate]

feels like it

they cant be worse than now and now theyre pretty good up to a certain level?

[ionic fern]

I don't think taking too much damage is a issue for us currently.

[steep bone]

See...define bad. 👀
@ionic fern top streamers who do WF keys don't play it

[ionic fern]

Seeing some logs from SL m+ it also looks like our damage is pretty okay'ish.

Granted Spear of Bastion is busted currently.

😂

[onyx vessel]

But prot is very slow id assume

[strong forum]

With proper gear you'll get up to 20-25% haste without sockets

[strong forum]

But yeah it'll 100% be slower cuz you don't play ITF anymore

[ionic fern]

That's m+ tho.

The sad thing tho..

That Devastate spam

[strong forum]

[onyx vessel]

Back to wod prot

Smash devastate

[ionic fern]

Notice the 0 Whirlwind casts tho.

😂

[onyx vessel]

Are we surprised

[ionic fern]

No, but amused.

[brittle owl]

no you are the shear spammers now

[onyx vessel]

Why did prot get ww

[ionic fern]

Because "EVERYONE GETS SOMETHING!!!".

[onyx vessel]

Oof

[ionic fern]

Doesn't matter if it's good..if it fits..you got something.

[brittle owl]

i member weapon swapping to a beef 2H to WW in TBC

good times

[onyx vessel]

Well most of the changes for prot i seen coming cept for the put the 3 best talents in 1 row

[still pagoda]

UF and BV should have been baseline

[onyx vessel]

/equip 2h
Cast ww
Equip 1h and shield

Ez

Maybe

Indom should be baseline

[brittle owl]

nah fam

double time

[onyx vessel]

Baseline heal

👍

[brittle owl]

gtfo

u get leech

das it

[onyx vessel]

[brittle owl]

bring back first aid doe

bandage warrior

[onyx vessel]

[ionic fern]

That was fun.

[onyx vessel]

We aint getting shit

[brittle owl]

bandaging people during a wipe caused by healers

[ionic fern]

You're getting

[brittle owl]

was the BEST shit

[onyx vessel]

Bandage gun

[brittle owl]

"na fam i gotchu these healers got nothing on my scented cloth"

[onyx vessel]

[still pagoda]

MoP bandages still cost anything because of Order of the Cloud Serpent dailies

[ionic fern]

Doing dailies tho...

[brittle owl]

doing

[strong forum]

[still pagoda]

But the cool mount bro

[ionic fern]

I got like 5 mounts.

[brittle owl]

yeah

no

[ionic fern]

And i couldn't care less.

😂

[brittle owl]

samesies

<3

[strong forum]

Can't you do cloud serpent in like a few days

[brittle owl]

only mount i went out of my way for

[still pagoda]

Yeah

[brittle owl]

was the water walker bug

[still pagoda]

But it takes few weeks to get them all

[ionic fern]

I'm all vanilla with my mounts, riding around on that RAM.

[brittle owl]

do you have prebuff epic mounts doe

[still pagoda]

I'm all Legion with my mounts

That fucking fox

[ionic fern]

Oh, that fox is actually one that i have.

I diddn't know what it was until someone told me.

[strong forum]

I got that by chance

[ionic fern]

So it sat in my inventory for like a month

[brittle owl]

i had the wrath stratholme time trial one

since wrath

in my bags, until legion

cause i was pisspoor and couldnt learn it cause i didnt have epic flying

[ionic fern]

😂

[brittle owl]

legion gold inflation fixed that though

....and a 7 year break

[ionic fern]

I thought everyone was rich from Garrissons.

[brittle owl]

didnt play wod

came back in 7.2

after quitting in cata

[ionic fern]

Same tbh.

😂

[still pagoda]

Not really. People got even more rich during Legion

[ionic fern]

Only that i quit in..TBC.

[still pagoda]

But garrison is still a passive income worth noting

[brittle owl]

tbc was the greatest expac of all time

don't @ me

[ionic fern]

I miss TBC.

Once they announce TBC relaunch i'm gone.

[still pagoda]

Well. We will find someone else to slave away their lives write prot warrior guides

[brittle owl]

it'll be time to warlock and paladin

and pwarr

and stomp in pvp

cuz everythings broken

[still pagoda]

Lumberjack cleave

[brittle owl]

until s2-3 where everyone has resillience

lmao no

ProtVP fam

shield bash a mf in the ground

revenge and overpower a rogue to death

[still pagoda]

Kill someone in 2 mortals

One from you

One from your drunken buddy

[brittle owl]

theres no drunken buddies in tbc

arguably the best part

[still pagoda]

Just get some beer and you'll become one

[orchid frigate]

@ionic fern whats so great about tbc?

[sweet summit]

Bloodelves

[orchid frigate]

hehe

[ionic fern]

Idk, probably the same as what was great about Vanilla.
Memories and nostalgia.

[orchid frigate]

ah

fair enough

ill prolly also gonna relive

[ionic fern]

I kinda breeezed through Vanilla and diddn't do anything too serious but in TBC i started playing more etc.

I have fond memories of the PvP as well.

[orchid frigate]

got first kid in TBC so missed out a lot 😮

i do remember doing heroic dungeons tho

[ionic fern]

• Arenas.

[orchid frigate]

which was pretty hard

[ionic fern]

[orchid frigate]

yeapp that too

[ionic fern]

RMP in 3s.
And anything + druid for 2's.

😂

[orchid frigate]

i played as rdudu with hunter

drain team ftw

[ionic fern]

Jeah, drains for days.

[still pagoda]

RMP in 3s.
And anything + druid for 2's.
@ionic fern

And then the cleaves arrive

[ionic fern]

ALSo

SHOCKADIN

WAS SUPER FUN

[still pagoda]

Also OG stunherald

[ionic fern]

And Rogue/mage in 2's was a nightmare as well. 😦

God damn rogues.

[orchid frigate]

played a bit as feral + rogue was more fun but not as successful

[brittle owl]

fam

pom pyro mage + destro lock

not the best

but certainly meme worthy comp

[viral arch]

@steep bone no tank out there "requires" vers in 20s

like, fuck

there's a prot pala with pure crit/haste gear doing 26s for example

if you're not fucking trash at the game, and you team up with people who aren't fucking trash at the game...

[still pagoda]

^

[steep bone]

What are you reffering to

[viral arch]

BDK needing vers for 20s

like, there are BDKs doing 25s without

if you need vers for 20s there's at least one person in your group being shit

[steep bone]

dude

i literally just asked

out of curiosity

[viral arch]

I answered because @ionic fern pinged me

[strong forum]

God damn pingers

[steep bone]

and it was few good hours ago, don't have to be harsh in answers

[ionic fern]

Mandl always answers

[sweet summit]

Mandl why am i bad at this game

[viral arch]

where's my 8ball

[sweet summit]

Its here 🎱

[steep bone]

@sweet summit cuz you dont stack versa for +10 weekly no leavers

[sweet summit]

O ok

Tahnk yoj

[steep bone]

you still up for 20tos tho??

[still pagoda]

Mandl always answers [2]

[sweet summit]

I should have time for it i think

[steep bone]

cuz im in grp right now with some pugs

and still missing dps

[still pagoda]

i can drop by later on formsome keys as a healer

[sweet summit]

Oh im at work now

[steep bone]

allrighty

[still pagoda]

In Moscow doing some errands and stuff regarding uni accommodation right now

[steep bone]

well dunno if ill have my healer up or no

[sweet summit]

Uhoh

[steep bone]

@sweet summit where's your avatar coming from

[sweet summit]

A song

[still pagoda]

[steep bone]

what song

[strong forum]

The song of my people

[steep bone]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VU2ft6BFezs goin' to do keys

[still pagoda]

Eromanga Sensei
@steep bone

[sweet summit]

Uhh idk

Ill ping later

[steep bone]

apparently people forgot that lightning cast on first ToS boss hits for like 300k+

[ionic fern]

@steep bone google reverse image search

[steep bone]

ayy

thanks

[sweet summit]

Yes

That

[steep bone]

Before i act like an idiot, on first tos boss im supposed to kick at some point aye? or let dps do that

[sweet summit]

Ya

[steep bone]

cuz i moved to it kicked

[sweet summit]

Kick

[steep bone]

and then hunter commited suicide

[ionic fern]

Cleave.

[ionic fern]

I wouldn't kick as tank.

[sweet summit]

I always kick

[steep bone]

noone kicked

[ionic fern]

In pug's i wouldn't.

🤷

[steep bone]

and i saw healer dying so i just kicked

[ionic fern]

Otherwise mongo DPS cleave will kill themselves.

[steep bone]

and then

and first time

[sweet summit]

Only thing hunter can die to there is AA/multishot?

[ionic fern]

And yet - he died.

[sweet summit]

So he tab targeted with autos

[ionic fern]

M o n g o

DPS.

[steep bone]

he tab target to kick

[sweet summit]

Or pressed multishot

[steep bone]

XD

[sweet summit]

Yike

[ionic fern]

Never trust PuG's to do anything.

[steep bone]

i hate tos pugs on tyran

[ionic fern]

That's why i enjoy playing Prot paladin.,

[steep bone]

so easy yet so hard dung

[ionic fern]

You can do literally everything important yourself.

[urban tusk]

is it in general hard to find a guild as tank? since multispeccing is getting harder and harder, especially with shadowlands

[steep bone]

it is difficult

most of good guilds already have them + there's always someone willing to switch/have an alt

but this is good time to look for guilds

people want to reroll and in general guilds are looking for new members

time for 20junkyard

[lapis tapir]

460 vita vs 475 dragonscale?

[steep bone]

vita

+dragonscale

[lapis tapir]

in +20 keys?

or higher?

[steep bone]

i think @novel ruin was playing without lps in like 23s or something

[ionic fern]

You don't NEED LPS.

[steep bone]

i mean

he was playing with dps trinkets

;D

[ionic fern]

But it's a solid trinket and there's no harm using it.

Jeah, you can.

🤷

Double haste trinkets are 100% doable in 20+ keys.

[lapis tapir]

at what point should i transition? or is it kind of an up to healer issue

[ionic fern]

It's kinda up to yourself.

[sweet summit]

Up to you tbh

[lapis tapir]

https://raider.io/characters/us/area-52/Goobereater

im just looking to improve where i can

my routes seem to be my biggest issue, but i want to make sure gear is never the problem

[sweet summit]

Are you dying?

[lapis tapir]

not usually

its more of a mechanic wipe rather

[strong forum]

Yeah around your territory is when routes and execution starts to matter

[lapis tapir]

i am always trying to strive for better, and watch big key streamers for some hints and check the block/reflect link for additional mobs to make things easier for me and heals

[strong forum]

Practice / experience is key

[ionic fern]

At higher up it becomes more of a team effort.

[strong forum]

And that ye

[lapis tapir]

sounds good, ill be looking for a team to run these levels keys then, that seems to be the best way to push atm

all has been pugging atm

[sweet summit]

Team>>pug

Find decent players with the same goal as you

Bribe them

:^)

[lapis tapir]

ill roll a natural 20 in charisma and win them over with a smile

[brittle owl]

whack

just roll a 20 intimidate

scare them into submission

with your conditioned, thicc ass cheeks

[sweet summit]

Nice watermark

[lapis tapir]

not my work, random off google

ty for the help peeps

[brittle owl]

remember

think with your shield, always

[lapis tapir]

whats a shield?

[brittle owl]

it's the thing you use to smack a bitch

[sweet summit]

the shield

[lapis tapir]

thunderclap > shield

lol

but ty again, have a good day

[strong forum]

Die TC Die

[sweet summit]

No u

😎

[brittle owl]

fukken gottem rofl eks dee

[orchid frigate]

when you feel bad about your tanking, just go and do m0 :D

[steep bone]

Poggies, did it

[modern brook]

Lol u snapped saurids in a 0?

[brittle owl]

tbh

should snap entire dungeon in a 0

[steep bone]

i do m0

for memes

and to chill when im tilted

[brittle owl]

[orchid frigate]

its good practice for me

[steep bone]

you don't need score, you need cringe names to get invited, change my mind

[brittle owl]

weebs out

[viral arch]

@steep bone what was your name

tell the class so we can judge learn

[steep bone]

Waîfu-Kazzak (EU)

21 shrine here i come ;_;

[orchid frigate]

damn it

my paladin does super low damage

[sweet summit]

Weebs out

[brittle owl]

an illusion

what are you hiding

[sick sentinel]

my name was waifufanx

[brittle owl]

ofc it was

[sweet summit]

🤔

[orchid frigate]

ooh gonna hand in emissary of war on my baby paladin

poggies

[still pagoda]

and to chill when im tilted
@steep bone

Try playing Takeda in Total War Shogun 2 on legendary difficulty 😁

Instatilt after first few attempts

[steep bone]

uploading my junkyard for future review 😮

can't wait to get roasted by xanto

[still pagoda]

I will probably record few keys next week

[orchid frigate]

so many mages around but none that pumps 😦

[steep bone]

Maaaan that sots 21 was going smooth 😦

[orchid frigate]

nice

[steep bone]

and then ninja of big elemental the first one

and then absolute pepega on 2nd boss

partially me pepegain

partially others

[orchid frigate]

😦

[modern brook]

the tough life o f fire mages who only do 300k SMH

[pastel crown]

I was looking at the google doc reflect tracker. Devouring Frenzy isn't listed for Hivemind. Will spell reflect deflect that damage?

[sweet summit]

If its not listed as reflect/deflect no
You still get the damage reduction if its magic damage tho

[vernal trail]

Does anyone know how to make a macro that will cast taunt normally but will change to victory rush if I hold down shift?

[strong forum]

So you want a shift modifier

[warm plinth]

#showtooltip
/cast [mod:shift]Victory Rush;Taunt

[vernal trail]

thats exactly what I want

Cheers

literally as soon as I asked the question youtube suggested Hazel's video on macros that had it aswell xD

[summer lotus]

Do ppl do this to save space on bar? cause I just keybind another space to shift+key

[warm plinth]

Probably

[pastel crown]

when the spell reflect says deflect, I assumed that was the damage reduction. Is it actually a straight 0?

[warm plinth]

If it says deflect, it means the effect doesn't land on you but it doesn't hit the mob either

[sweet summit]

You take 0 damage, but dont reflect the damage back

[pastel crown]

oh wow

ok

[still pagoda]

And also wipe the raid sometimes

Insanity bomb spell queue

[sweet summit]

How? Carapace?

Ah

[pastel crown]

is it a good idea to run into the banelines to deflect them lol?

or they just roll through you no matter what

[sweet summit]

Banelines?

[pastel crown]

rolly polly

[sweet summit]

Oh

But why

[pastel crown]

if it causes them to stop rolling

[sweet summit]

It doesnt

[pastel crown]

so much for having fun

[sweet summit]

No fun allowed

[pastel crown]

so basically just spell reflecting things to reduce damage for this fight

[sweet summit]

Pmuch

Spell reflect the eye/tbf mostly

[pastel crown]

if i'm on kazir i can move a bit

which i probably should be because of into the fray

and the second tank was hvaing problems interrupting

when he was tanking the ravager at the same time

[sweet summit]

Have a shaman solo the kicks tbh

[pastel crown]

i was thinking we could do that

how easy is it for them to do it

cause we have a lower dps elemental shaman

and if we could give him that assignment it would be perfect

[steep bone]

he can kick every cast as a tank tbh

and just call for kick if he for some reason cannot

[sweet summit]

How hard is it to press an extra button every now and then?

[pastel crown]

i meant more from a cd perspective

[steep bone]

put him on focus /cast [@focus] interrupt name spell

[pastel crown]

like

[steep bone]

ez clap

[sweet summit]

You can tank every 2nd kick as a melee non shaman

[pastel crown]

is 12 seconds good enough to get every one

[sweet summit]

Yes

[pastel crown]

15 seconds is not

i know that

[sweet summit]

Yep

[steep bone]

IT procs

does they affect kick actually

[pastel crown]

you can't rely on procs as a strategy

[sweet summit]

A shaman ca solokick on hivemind and on ilgy

[steep bone]

oh ye ye just curious

[pastel crown]

my iet procs have been shit

i had a 5 minute maut and it proc'd twice

i was running 2 iet1s

[fathom spindle]

What are good trinkets for us btw?
I currently run Vita and Rezans with leech

[sweet summit]

vita>>>>scale>rezan>block
LPS is situational but great if needed

[fathom spindle]

Block?

Ahh nice! Need to get my grubby hands on a 475 Scale then, haven’t gotten it on my Warr thus far

[sweet summit]

block=gore-crusted butchers block, from waycrest

[fathom spindle]

Got LBS, but only doing around 20 keys on my Warrior atm (only like 2 weeks old), so i felt it was kinda overkill.
But i assume it can be a lifesaver later on ☺️ has been on my DH.

Ohh, thanks! Got the block in 470 i think ☺️
But sticking with vita and Rezan until i get scale 475 then.

Thank you 🙂

[sweet summit]

a 460 scale is better(more haste) than a 465 rezan, but yeah sounds good

[fathom spindle]

Rezans does has leech.
And scale feels like such a boring trinket to use, If it’s lower than 475, since it’s just so easy to get.

Ive just been ”unlucky”, and by that i mean ive ran Wrathion Mythic twice thus far.

Just gather a few friends tomorrow, and unless i’m the most unlucky guy in the world, i oughta get it 🙂

[sweet summit]

rezan is just as easy to get as scale

[brittle owl]

scale looks boring cause it is

but boring stuff sometimes is good for you

like stretching and walking everyday

[sweet summit]

the leech is kinda irrelevant here, since haste>leech and scale provides more haste

[brittle owl]

ik leech is a good meme

but never go full meme my dude

unless you know why you're doing it

[sweet summit]

dont be like mwahi is what youre saying?

[brittle owl]

yes

[fathom spindle]

You get what i mean 😄 If i don’t get the Mythic version tomorrow, i’ll slap on the Heroic one 😄

[sweet summit]

noted

[fathom spindle]

But thank you!
Maybe i’m blind, but i found no pin with this information ☺️

[sweet summit]

there isnt, all we have to go off is this and logs/sims

[fathom spindle]

Ahh, yeah i kinda try not to ask the same question i reckon come up alot.
Especially more so If there’s already concrete information If you just take a minute to look.

But Wrathion is going dow tomorrow!

Down* even

But thanks for the information, have a great Tuesday, and more importantly: Have a awesome Wednesday with an awesome chest! ☺️

[mellow patio]

I sense leech was being discussed

I am here

I will get siphoner from box and I will dethrone mwahi for mr leech

[fathom spindle]

I’ll stay off the leech from now on 😜

[brittle owl]

cycling out of leech is smart

[novel ruin]

[ionic fern]

[sweet summit]

yeah mwahi leech bad didnt u know

[ionic fern]

[brittle owl]

heathen

[sweet summit]

leech did almost as much as last stand, should i start prioritizing leech over last stand?

[ionic fern]

That's rookie levels.

@sweet summit carry my druid in a +15. I can (maybe) heal.

[sweet summit]

sorry my TD set only has 3% leech

sure

do u have a key

cos i only have a 14 shrine

[ionic fern]

Sounds good enough.

I diddn't have time last week to do a key on dudu.

[strong forum]

still doing weeklies

[steep bone]

i can carry ur droid 😦

[ionic fern]

See, Nome will come DPS for us.

Lets go.

[sweet summit]

yes

pls

[strong forum]

I'm still at work

[sweet summit]

thats unlucky

[strong forum]

Flaming my guildies cuz he's complaining that the dudes getting underpaid at blizzard are retards for not simply switching jobs 4head

[sweet summit]

@ionic fern when do we go

[ionic fern]

It's looking good..i actually have a INT staff.

We can go right now.

[sweet summit]

pog

ign

or just inv me ergaw-tarrenmill

[ionic fern]

@steep bone you can DPS?

[steep bone]

nah, im just tank

unless u want my pepega destro dps

@ionic fern

[sweet summit]

big lock

[ionic fern]

Idk what is pepega destro dps. 😦

[sweet summit]

bring it

[ionic fern]

^

[steep bone]

waifuqt-kazzak

i mean its fine for 15s

xD

[ionic fern]

I'm on Voice here if you guys wanna join @steep bone @sweet summit

[novel ruin]

I feel left out that I’m not EU

[sick sentinel]

the Gods do listen

I was about to blow several hundred thousands gold on the boe

[novel ruin]

Ooo shiny

Gratz

[sick sentinel]

ty ty

[keen spire]

lol pog bois

[novel ruin]

@sweet summit Why?

[sullen marsh]

hey guys, what's the BiS azerite chest piece, if I can't get M vex chest for prot

[novel ruin]

@sullen marsh Mechanized Plate Chasse is really good if you already have your 1 DC

[sharp rover]

As a tank, what's your job on blood of the corruptor?

[brittle owl]

ilgynoth?

tank stuff kill adds

[sharp rover]

I just had three DPS, all 3.2k io, die to blob and I want to know what I could do differently

[brittle owl]

ah blob

[novel ruin]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1K1dqat0WwBJ7faXu71DWyCDRzx5Lf0o22LonVOcji_U/edit#heading=h.rnz5besh20e1

[sharp rover]

I spell reflected the first mind flay on entering

[sullen marsh]

@novel ruin thanks!

[brittle owl]

nice plug bro

[novel ruin]

@brittle owl Its still WIP but lts a resource for people to find out the answers to their questions.

[steep bone]

@novel ruin fancy reviewing another vod ;d?

[sick sentinel]

so I have enough residuum for another piece. Here's the thing, I have 480 chest Chestguard of the Deep Denizen, 480 Lockjaw shoulders, and 475 Nzoth Helm

I'm absolutely positive i can get the BiS shoulders in mythic raid tomorrow

should i roll for either a new helm or chest?

or just plug it into my dps set?

traits are as follows: 1DC, 2 BoM, 1 BfImpact, and 2 Iron Fort

[mellow patio]

I’d roll a chest tbh

[sick sentinel]

so i'm a little salty

the last 3 chests

have all been the one i am wearing

no fucking lie

is there anything worse on that vendor that i can roll, or is this chest pretty much it?

[chilly brook]

@sharp rover move the blob to a place where the puddles won't be screwing your DPS while they kill adds

Pretty much your only job

[wet bloom]

question, tanking 18'sish, 2 470 rings with haste/verc, or 2 475 rings with haste/mast

[sick sentinel]

Below 22 Keys = haste > crit > vers > mastery

according to our boys guide

[wet bloom]

I just see a lot of take the ilvl and wanted to see what peopel thought

[civic rover]

whichever ones give the most haste

[sick sentinel]

clockwork heart worth a damn for prot?

how often does that proc?

[chilly brook]

Yes its worth

[grand drum]

Once a minute, like it says on the tooltip