protection

[leaden dune]

And I’ve now got to get 2 pages when I got enough echoes to do a run

[sweet summit]

[leaden dune]

Tfb doesn’t help atm haha but need this one more upgrade on cloak so it doesn’t show no more

No idea

[strong forum]

150-300k

Depending on crits

Can go up to like 500k if you crit everything I think

[leaden dune]

And is anyone in horde Eu to take a look at my rings later

[strong forum]

Can just post them here

[leaden dune]

I got 2 higher ilvl but awful stats I think

Will do it’s on phone so can’t crop

Stacking haste as only plan doing 15 keys

[inland silo]

win+shift+s

[grave lily]

nice rings boomer

[leaden dune]

I use phone app

My computers slow enough

[strong forum]

Don't use those non haste rings

[leaden dune]

I didn’t think I should

[strong forum]

Use the ones you have equipped, they're good enough

[leaden dune]

All my gear has haste right now

But lowish ilvl

I plan on trying to do a 15 this week for weekly chest

[strong forum]

Rings don't have mainstats or armor, so dropping ilvl isn't as bad there

[leaden dune]

My azerite gear sucks

[strong forum]

Unluck

[leaden dune]

But on reset I’ll buy 460 stuff

[strong forum]

Just keep playing and you'll get your gear

[leaden dune]

Yeah I will do I need try do ily heroic for helm

I’ve got the lock out but mindcontrol sucks with randoms even when heated

Geared

[raven knoll]

last time someone posted a calc for how much 1 single sockets gives me on vers if you have like 7-8 amps. is that guy maybe here? or anyone knows quick calc?

[still pagoda]

Isn't that a bit redundant?

It's a really quick math qnyway

50x(1+0.12xN) where N is amount of vers3 corruptions you have

[raven knoll]

thanks sir

what is the 1 for?

ahhh nvm i see

[novel ruin]

The 1 is so you don’t have to add the 50 back onto the received number.

[grave lily]

damn, 1k vers from full sockets with 7 vers 2 IT1

thats crazy

[limpid pawn]

Each socket gives 92 verse instead of 50

Massive ilevel boost

And then C%S bonus and aegis bonus is even more

You’re basically cheating the game with corruption lol, to get the equivalent of being like ilevel 500 +

[brittle owl]

ilvl boost

[main vault]

Even in only secondaries that’s only like 2 rings worth of stats

[novel ruin]

onlyyyy

[strong forum]

https://i.imgur.com/KLyVDZ7.png

[obtuse yoke]

for Vers build do you run CnS major, vop/aegis/warden minor?

i've been doing CnS major, vop/warden/Lucid as my minors

[strong forum]

cns or lucid major ye

depending on dungeon

[sweet summit]

VoP is also good 👌

[strong forum]

ya with vers build vop actually becomes quite viable even in high keys

[sweet summit]

always has been

[obtuse yoke]

i wasn't sure about swapping lucid minor for aegis minor

since aegis minor has vers

[sweet summit]

i keep lucid

i love lucid

[obtuse yoke]

i love it too

sometimes that extra rage really comes in handy

[novel ruin]

@obtuse yoke if you don’t need the corruption resistance from warden, run both aegis and lucid. Warden is pretty crappy compared to these 2 options. Does a ton of overhealing.

[obtuse yoke]

@novel ruin okie ty, i'll try it out

[sick sentinel]

what's the website that has scaling for m+ abilities

[distant crystal]

justhealus.com

[sick sentinel]

ty

[deep steppe]

@obtuse yoke and whoever else gave me AH advice for that shield, tyty! Sold it for 900k this morning ❤️

[obtuse yoke]

@deep steppe EZ grats man!

[raven knoll]

is there a golden rule where i can find out in what dungeon to run lucid and in what conflict major? if im going vers build

[novel ruin]

@raven knoll Lucid for Workshop. You can also run Lucid major for KR though its only really good for Zul and also ML. Any dungeon where you get slapped by heavy magic damage or small mob density Lucid is pretty good for. You can set hearth outside of ML, port out after 2nd boss and switch to Lucid major if scared of last 2 bosses. Same thing with Zul, you can port out after 3rd boss.

[raven knoll]

thats some nice info thanks! so mostly conflict i see. can you explain why its so strong? is it the root or the versa gain?

[novel ruin]

Root is a bonus

[marble cipher]

Isn't lucid mainly used for back to back avatars? And that actually makes it better for high mob density I'd guess?

[novel ruin]

Its the vers gain and it compounds very nicely with vers amps. Sitting anywhere from 80-100% vers depending on pull density and avatar uptime is really strong for general survivability.

@marble cipher Sure but when running full vers, you will get more out of Conflict major in large packs than Lucid Major from a defensive standpoint.

You would do more damage with Lucid Major

And the most damage with VoP Major

[marble cipher]

Fair, I'm only slowly making the transition to vers gear so no clue on my major yet. I still run VoP 😂

[novel ruin]

When running Vers Amps you are looking to be a THICK BOI.

Conflict Major makes you the THICKEST BOI possible.

Lucid Major makes you a normal boi

VoP Major makes you a skinny boi

[marble cipher]

Lol

[sick sentinel]

hey m8, wich bufffood? enemie slow or haste?

[sweet summit]

haste

[novel ruin]

haste always

unless full vers

then vers food

[sick sentinel]

and for necrottic is slow maybe better?

[novel ruin]

no

[sick sentinel]

alright

[novel ruin]

just run sphere minor if you have trouble kiting

[sick sentinel]

thanks much m8

[novel ruin]

np, have fun

[marble cipher]

@novel ruin for full thickest boi, would it be CnS major, lucid, aegis minor?
And strength/formless if you want corruption res and otherwise VoP minor?

[novel ruin]

You ALWAYS run Vision Minor or Major

So its CnS Major, Vision Minor, Aegis Minor, then either Lucid / Formless (if someone is using Flame or Breath Major) / Warden minor if Resistance is needed

[marble cipher]

K, will give it a go on some runs this week, thanks

[sweet summit]

aegis over lucid

notlikethis

[novel ruin]

for defensive benefit aegis > lucid in most dungeons

[marble cipher]

I'd prefer lucid over aegis too tbf, but I'll test both. This week there's no giga pulls so I guess lucid gains more over aegis in some dungeons

[novel ruin]

Generally if you need the corruption resistance

[marble cipher]

Do explosives count as a 'mob' for Aegis?

[novel ruin]

Aegis and Lucid Minor will be the two you switch between depending on dungeon

[sweet summit]

nop, yellow dont either for some reason?

[novel ruin]

i believe it doesnt cuz yellows arent considered enemies

[sweet summit]

fair

[marble cipher]

Too bad

[raven knoll]

so when i need corruption resistance and going full versa im going CnS Major, warden - aegis - vision minor right? and leave lucid out

[novel ruin]

you switch aegis and lucid minor depending on dungeon

aegis for meaty pull dungeons, lucid for longer ST fights or smaller mob pulls

[raven knoll]

looking at all the minor ones warden actually looks kinda bad for me. only good seems the +10 resistance

compared with the other ones

[novel ruin]

yes, warden is pretty bad

only used cuz of the resistance

[raven knoll]

i see

[novel ruin]

or if you are doing full tank raid

[raven knoll]

next week 110 is max resistance right?

so in theorie if im running 7x Versa + 2x IT i would be at 54 Resistance right? without warden so i could leave it out

54 corruption*

[sweet summit]

well u can do that now too

[novel ruin]

yeah at 57 corruption right now

[raven knoll]

yep i see thanks. but im hoping for a good weekly item so im still waiting to put on all versa pieces

[wise fulcrum]

If I want to test mainly dps on trash packs which raidbots preset should I use?

[novel ruin]

@wise fulcrum Patchwerk, 5 targets or however many you want, 60-90 second fight length

[ionic fern]

And disable lust

[warm plinth]

You're not my dad

[ionic fern]

:(

[ember edge]

which ability do you run if you are running conflict major? Which ability is the build using?

[royal rune]

thunderstuck

[ember edge]

tyvm

[royal rune]

thunderclap roots all targets for 1 sec

pretty good for kiting and dmg reduction

but i think the extra vers is the real benefit

dont quote me on that

[novel ruin]

yes, the extra vers is the real benefit, especially with vers amps

[royal rune]

the double strife is applied everytime we clap right?

because that is a loss of control effect?

[novel ruin]

@royal rune everytime the root is applied, yes

if a 30% or higher slow or root is applied, our root will not take affect thus not granting us the double vers

[ionic fern]

Good thing frost mages are not meta.

[novel ruin]

and assassin rogues

[hidden plaza]

Does ra-den weapons count?

[sick sentinel]

don't take cns on sang weeks

there's no written law for it

but like

somehow

[novel ruin]

I believe it does count, but I'm not 100% sure\

[distant crystal]

p sure outlaw too

[sick sentinel]

every mob that stands in sang manages to have a 99% slow

[distant crystal]

pistol shot is 30% iirc

relatively low uptime tho

[novel ruin]

why wouldnt you use cns on sanguine 😮

[sick sentinel]

meme

every mob that stands in sang manages to have a 99% slow

[distant crystal]

did you mean would

[novel ruin]

do better job aiming them

[distant crystal]

lol

[sick sentinel]

look

[novel ruin]

I used cns during sanguine weeks just fine

[sick sentinel]

I've now repeated the joke

it's over

[onyx vessel]

alch trinket finally got

[novel ruin]

BIG OG

POG*

[onyx vessel]

54/27 with food buff

[novel ruin]

YUGE

[cursive saffron]

Hey guys, just joined after hearing this was the place to be for prot warriors.

[undone sun]

👍

[cursive saffron]

Are stats for a prot warrior really just more is better?

I have been told by a few people to stack vers over all else

[left hatch]

for 99.9% of content people encounter, yes more stats > certain stats

[cursive saffron]

Trying to improve myself as my guild is working on mythic raden

[undone sun]

Unless you're doing high end keys, mod 20s+ it's ilevel over secondaries

Verse stacking is really only for around 25s+

[cursive saffron]

So verse stacking if I'm looking to time 25s+? Otherwise more is better?

[left hatch]

all 4 of the stats do something very useful for us, Haste has great synergy with the current rage gen/spending meta build you run in all content
crit is good damage and parry is invaluable in M+
crit block via mastery is one of the best forms of DR in the game and is only devalued because of triple stack BOM giving a stupid amount
Versa is just a flat great stat, and the best stat for mitigating mistakes because it works no matter what, it just scales very slowly so point for point its less DR than other stats until you get into exceedingly high keys

so yah for raid (at any level) ilvl>Haste>versa
M+ below 2x (feely crafty range between 20 and like 23 depending on your group and comfort level) Ilvl>haste>crit>=versa
M+ above 2x Haste>Versa without sacrificing too much Ilvl

[cursive saffron]

what is a above / below 2x?

[left hatch]

says right there 2X is a feelycraft range between 20 and 23 thats dependent on your group and comfort level

[cursive saffron]

Guess I'm just not familiar with the feelycraft term

[left hatch]

theres no definitive numerical answer

some people don't feel the need to stack versa till 23+

some people prefer to stack it as soon as they hit 20

[novel ruin]

You dont need vers stacking really until that point

[cursive saffron]

Gotcha

[novel ruin]

and i dont recommend switching to vers stacking early 20s / high teens because it can cover up mistakes in your gameplay making it harder to find them and correct them going forward

[left hatch]

tbh though if you're focused on raid progression primarily, don't even worry about 20+ keys

you'll get gear faster by TD stacking and spamming 15-19 range

[novel ruin]

^

[cursive saffron]

lol!

That does sound fun

[left hatch]

and spamming those keys in order to outfit your guildies with close to bis is the fastest way to progress

that and doing as much 8.3 content as possible to get everyone in BiS corruption + socket everything

but that grind is really tedious and time consuming

[cursive saffron]

what corruptions should I prioritize. First for mythic raiding and then for mythic+s?

[left hatch]

raid? you can get away with full TD

[cursive saffron]

Hahaha

[left hatch]

M+ below 23ish 2I IT 1's and rest TD

[cursive saffron]

My guild leader was telling me I should get away from that lol

[left hatch]

above that is when you start converting to versa, but you never drop your IT1's

no reason to not run TD

[cursive saffron]

Which one was IT?

[left hatch]

Ineffable Truth, %cd reduction proc

you get 2 of the lvl 1 version (its more % reduction for less corruption than buying a tier 2 version of it)

in raid the only sketchy fights are ilgy and carapace tbh, and you survive those mechanics with smart play and communicating with your healers

versa won't make a big impact there, it won't save you from a scuffed taunt swap or anything

[cursive saffron]

really? What's IT help with?

[left hatch]

and rest of raid is trivial

Lotta things, more kicks, more spell reflects, much higher uptime on Shield Block. When it procs it lets you chain 2 Avatars back to back

[cursive saffron]

Yeah I've been running with touch of the everlasting for that of fuck moment. Gets used at least half the pulls right now.

[left hatch]

i would strongly recommend against that

[cursive saffron]

Oh, hadn't thought about the kicks and shield block.

[left hatch]

you're giving up a fairly hefty defensive (and offensive) benefit on the premise of 'oh maybe ill die'

and in doing so create situations you're going to die more often

[cursive saffron]

well, in raids I have been tending to die a lot where that has come in handy lol

[left hatch]

then you're making pretty sizeable misplays

and a better benefit would be looking into your logs to see what exactly is killing you

[cursive saffron]

Tends to be more dropped raid mechanics like on shad

[left hatch]

shad is sketchy but like a Lucid cd can save you there

more often and more easily than a cheat death

the more proactive you can be about how you play the better

[cursive saffron]

What's the preferred major essence for prot tanking in raids?

[left hatch]

Lucid or VoP for defensives as a major, with some combo of Formless Void, Null Barrier, CnS, Lucid, Sphere as minors

Sub in CoF as a major once yo'ure used to the fight

[cursive saffron]

Gotcha

[left hatch]

but yah if you find yourself dying a lot in raid, 9 times in 10 its due to a pretty egregious misplay on your part (no offense intended)
and its always a better option to figure out what killed you and how you can avoid it (either by better cd usage, not scuffing a taunt swap, or using a healer external) rather than relying on cheat death mechanics

you give up a LOT running undying major ):

and its unnecesary

[cursive saffron]

Fair enough

Time to learn from my mistakes 🙂

[left hatch]

particularly in ra-den prog its most likely due to not letting necro strike hit you hard enough

(i think its necro strike anyway)

see a lot of ppl pop big cds BEFORE it hits so the dot just nukes them after

[cursive saffron]

Yeah that one is annoying. We are still in the orb phase

[left hatch]

ah, if you're dying to scuffed raid mechanics nothing you can do about it

[cursive saffron]

So far we've got the tank mechanics down, just need the dps to learn the vita / other mechanics

[left hatch]

thats the shitty part of raid tanking is playing the waiting game while dps learn how to not derp

you get your stuff down in like ... 5 pulls

[cursive saffron]

Honestly most of our deaths / wipes are due to dps not doing something they should have

[left hatch]

and wait another 50 for them

[cursive saffron]

Hahaha yeah

So true

[left hatch]

another reason majors like CoF are really good

tank output helps SO MUCH in burn phases

like 3rd phase vex, or 2nd ra-den

that extra little bit can secure your first kill

[cursive saffron]

Oh yeah? Is it worth taking over VoP?

[left hatch]

once you have tank mechanics down, generally yes

it gives you better ST dps

[cursive saffron]

kk

Yeah first couple of pulls my partner tank and I had some back and forth on who was doing what and when. But now we are clearing the first phase pretty easily. And only dying once all the dps are dead.

[left hatch]

yah, then no reason to run touch

at high end play cheat deaths are basically limited to be a sub in for immunities

for cheese strats

otherwise they don't see much use

[cursive saffron]

kk

[left hatch]

even the inbuilt talent cheat deaths like Purg, or the trinkets like the Bwomsandi trinket don't see much play when theres options that you have control over

[cursive saffron]

gotcha

Thanks a ton for the advice

[left hatch]

np

[celest portal]

Hey any tips for surviving Illgynoth mythic tank busters as prot. I've swapped over from blood for reclears and he hits like a fukn truck on the second beam. I've gotten mmega unlucky with psychic shells so I dont have one yet

[left hatch]

have a healer external, but usually last stand + DS + SR is enough for me

or was, its been awhile since iv done ilgy on prot

2 IT1's can help make sure SR and DS are up for both beams

[cursive saffron]

are more IT1s better?

[left hatch]

nah 2 are enough

[cursive saffron]

enough for?

[left hatch]

you hit a sweet spot where Avatar, SR etc is concerned

[cursive saffron]

aah

[left hatch]

more is overkill

and only 1 doesn't get SB under 6s, allow you to chain avatar etc

[cursive saffron]

How does avatar get chained?

[left hatch]

IT double dips with Anger Management, so the CD is back up before avatar is over

in a similar manner to how Lucid lets you chain it back to back

[cursive saffron]

😮

Damn

That's good to know

[novel ruin]

With lucky proc during Lucid, you can get 3 avatars back to back to back

[left hatch]

and by lucky it happens more often then not (:

its a lot of fun

[cursive saffron]

Cool

does ignore pain or shield block help with ilg's beam?

[left hatch]

IP does

[cursive saffron]

So GL is asking me to prioritize defense to help healers, at that point should I just stack more vers corruptions?

[novel ruin]

no

[regal dune]

Sorry I don't know that IT1 means. What's the acronym?

[novel ruin]

Ineffeable Truth

[grand drum]

Ineffible truth rank 1

[regal dune]

Got it thanks.

[novel ruin]

@cursive saffron You shouldnt be really dying to any tank mechanics once you have learned them. Vers amps wont change that.

[cursive saffron]

After 2x IT1 what should I go for corruption wise?

[novel ruin]

Twilight

[raven knoll]

why are ppl going for the versatile enchant and not the other one that gives you the highest of your secondary stats? isnt the 2nd one more uptime?

forced multipler i meant

[sick sentinel]

these guys that aren't selected for pull, they won't bolster jes? or he won't attempt to recruit them on cages phase?

[novel ruin]

@raven knoll Vers enchant with all vers amps

@sick sentinel Any cages he opens will not bolster him. Any cages opened before the boss will bolster

[sick sentinel]

those are the guys in corner yellows

i dunno if they bolster too or not

[novel ruin]

they shouldnt cuz they are yellow, but i forget off the top of my head

[modern brook]

@raven knoll u do verse enchant when stacking verse because force multiplier cannot give verse

[sick sentinel]

well, its progress if nothing else

[proven breach]

I'm not really stacking vers since i'm not doing 20+ keys doing more 17/18 keys should i go force multiplier or quick nav? running IT 1x2 and TD 5 normally

[lofty nexus]

why the IT1x2 instead of IT2x1? serious question

[sick sentinel]

i dunno, someone said next week might be better for tol dagor, but im thinking about the bursting at cannons

[civic rover]

because two rank 1 IT is better corruption value

24 corruption for 60 reduction

[kind spindle]

@lofty nexus because 2 rank 1 is 60% reduction for 24 corruption. Rank 2 is 50% for 30

[novel ruin]

@proven breach Force Multiplier

@sick sentinel Any healer has enough power to heal 6 bursting stacks. 7 bursting stacks at the same time wont even kill a person at full hp. 14% x 7 = 98% health left.

Next week is the best week for almost any key.

[sick sentinel]

once i get this TD done i'll be happy

and also, i'll finally shut up about it

[proven breach]

@novel ruin K good to know I was doing it right 🙂

[fierce bobcat]

i don't really see much about using sphere major - it seems like a decent defensive option on bolster weeks to kite with or just a very short CD dmg reduction to fill in gaps that we can't always get with SB

but in practical use, there's really no good scenarios where something else doesn't do better?

[lofty nexus]

thx

[novel ruin]

@fierce bobcat Just use sphere minor for kiting purposes. VoP, Lucid or CnS Major (though I wouldn’t use sphere with CnS) will give more defensive and offensive value.

[sick sentinel]

generally what i do for bursting week is i have a spammable macro to tell people to stop attacking because bursting

and i wait for bursting to go 1-2 ticks and hit rally, seems to help healers stabilize

and yes, as you say, sometimes is all about healer.

[proud hornet]

what weapon enchantment?

[sick sentinel]

I generally use force multiplier

[proud hornet]

how much do we value armor? eg using higher ilvl piece

ty ill go with that

[royal rune]

@proud hornet what level keys are you tanking

[proud hornet]

havnt really started to tank high keys yet but thinking about trying it out got good gear besides my shield which is 440 lol

[royal rune]

Force multiplier or quick navigation then

[proud hornet]

i have some lower ilvl gear that are haste vers with vers corruption

gona take those r better than high ilvl etc

[royal rune]

Dont bother with vers

Till tanking 22s

I go half vers at 22

[proud hornet]

i c ive done some like +5-7s and i pretty much take no dmg besides from bursting

[royal rune]

Haste and TD is the go

[proud hornet]

havnt tried 10+ yet

yeh using td atm with some of my arms gear to farm fh atm

gota start learning routes and try some 10+

[royal rune]

VOP major

[proud hornet]

which one is that?

yeh about the essences lol haven't looked into those or sought after any

oh the avatar one right i got that

[royal rune]

Vision of perfection

[proud hornet]

how much is my 440 shield gona hurt me?

[royal rune]

I wouldnt worry

What ilevel are you

[proud hornet]

474

just scuffed shield

[royal rune]

It's more keeping shieldblock up

I dont think its gonna matter till you tank 17s?? Nothing scientific about that statement. Block is important but you'll be fine for now

I'd be aiming for 3 bastion of mights

Before a better shield

[sharp night]

shield is far more important than bom

at least defensively

[still pagoda]

@royal rune @proud hornet shield is huge in terms of ilvl scaling

The one place where it is good to worry about not having high ilvl

[proud hornet]

thot u wanted clash and just 1 bom

[undone sun]

Only one DC, multiple boms are ideal

[proud hornet]

i c

[arctic python]

My guild just asked me to start tanking nzoth mythic. I normally just tank M+ - what changes do i need to make to my setup in terms of essences, trinkets etc?

[strong forum]

just go max dmg, mechanics > gear for survival

[arctic python]

that implies no vers corruptions i guess?

[strong forum]

ya

whip out that TD6+ and blast him into orbit, this late into the tier nothing should scratch unless you fuck up mechanically

[arctic python]

Do you then use VoP major?

[strong forum]

Cof Major

[arctic python]

alright

[strong forum]

Cof major
vop cns void minor

📈

[arctic python]

and one thing i was wondering is how do you manage to taunt both ads at the same time?

[strong forum]

dont really have to taunt both, since theyre fresh spawns just do some dmg

but heroic leap resets taunt

so you could taunt -> leap > taunt the other

and you got your co-tank too, theres no tank swap mechanic on this boss

[coral agate]

hey guys.. Im fury like 99,99% of the time but sometimes i change to prot just to update my gear etc and i notice i have 3xdeafing crash and 3xbastion of might.. is this good? i mean do they stack or is 1 of eatch enuff? true.. i dont play prot that much so it wont matter much i guess.. but i still want to have my OS up to date so to speak

[steep bone]

you want 3x bom and 1 defending crash

[coral agate]

ok thanks Vivv

[sharp palm]

Vivv any ETA regarding the elvui?

[proud hornet]

do u guys even gem vers?

[sweet summit]

if im stacking versatile corruptions yes, if not its full haste

[proud hornet]

u just paly cookie cutter unless ur pushing 20+?

[sweet summit]

even in 20+ you can play "cookie cutter" and do well

[novel ruin]

What does cookie cutter even mean?

[still pagoda]

What works everywhere and in every bit of content

The closest example is Frost DK Breath build from Nighthold

[novel ruin]

Yeah but in this context

[sweet summit]

haste gang, a lot of TD+IT1x2, VoP major - lucid, cns + something minors i guess

[novel ruin]

Ahh

[mint cloak]

generally it's a mold to cut perfectly shaped cookies with.

[sweet summit]

[mint cloak]

🙂

[novel ruin]

I guess I never though Prot had a cookie cutter build Besides talents

[mint cloak]

srry didn't scroll

what build isn't cookie cutter build tho that's the thing

[sweet summit]

vers

ineffable ravager

[novel ruin]

Ineffable expedient

[sweet summit]

oooo

[mint cloak]

still cookie cutter, they even got their own special names :l

[novel ruin]

Echoing void

[mint cloak]

i need that tru underground jank

[novel ruin]

Get rid of anger management and bolster and booming voice and into the fray

Oh wait

[mint cloak]

: )

[sweet summit]

Sadge

[gilded tapir]

Just go play shadowlands

[novel ruin]

That’s SL Prot :(((((

[gilded tapir]

done

[sweet summit]

stop bullying or i will cry

[still pagoda]

[novel ruin]

Im already crying

[mint cloak]

same.

i haven't stopped crying.

[novel ruin]

BFA Prot Warrior the most fun I’ve ever had in this game

[mint cloak]

maybe if we can get a bunch of night fae holy paladins...

maybe.. we can.. idk

clap cheeks

[novel ruin]

Why night fae when divine toll is a thing

[mint cloak]

i just wanna clap more cheeks

[novel ruin]

We clapping every 6 seconds

[mint cloak]

[sweet summit]

i wanna play UF AM

but i also wanna play BV Ravager

[steep bone]

Got kicked from +17 'why u td no vers'

XD

[novel ruin]

Report em

[steep bone]

Oh xan 😄

I crafted 10 legs yday, not a single haste vers one

i was running with 500gold ;_;

[still pagoda]

[sweet summit]

ra-den?

[novel ruin]

Welcome to BFA professions

[steep bone]

we just killed it and didnt get

[sweet summit]

aw :(

[steep bone]

so if we're not killing nzoth today we'll have to extend

xD

[still pagoda]

Legion-BfA professiona

[steep bone]

so i rely on crafted until i get raden

[still pagoda]

No stat targeting since Legion

[novel ruin]

Never played legion

[steep bone]

legion was giga

[still pagoda]

Legion was good

[novel ruin]

If I did I would have been a bear

[still pagoda]

But professions were garbo

[novel ruin]

Ff14 professions are good

[steep bone]

i was alting bdk/bear in legion

was super fun

❤️

but even funnier to solo raid current bosses as affli

[novel ruin]

I’ve never seriously played a caster

[mint cloak]

🤔 neither have I.

I think the closest thing to a caster that i've played was a hunter.

I've made plenty of locks and druids and mages, but i never took em to the end of an expansion.

[novel ruin]

I mean I have caster alts from 400-460 ilvl

But I barely play them

Next expansion Ima keep up with 2 characters instead of 1

[mint cloak]

i might do a lock.

infernal lego lookin spicy

[novel ruin]

I need a tank spec main for m+

[sweet summit]

yep
one warrior and one tank is my plan

[steep bone]

probs gonna get bdk + warrior

[random cedar]

is there a bis list for prot?

or a list of bis for m+

[sweet summit]

the highest ilvl items you have is your "bis"

[steep bone]

holy shit, i just had most toxic hunter in ma td ever

[still pagoda]

[steep bone]

lol how, i didnt proc TD

[sweet summit]

did u TC

[novel ruin]

Goodbye my friend.

[steep bone]

yeah but i was away

like on left side

while boss was on that green line

[novel ruin]

Who had initial Aggro?

[steep bone]

not me

retri i think

[novel ruin]

Blame them for pulling and depleting the key

As a tank I get silent satisfaction when a dps does something to deplete the key cuz I get enough flak.

[steep bone]

close xD

naa pala is healer main

Actually shadow priest topped dps

[sweet summit]

spriest pumps

[still pagoda]

spriest pumps [2]

[steep bone]

I didnt even chain for him

Hmm

i can see why

[still pagoda]

added few things here and there to your updated bottom row @steep bone

namely, AT

[steep bone]

It's longer than top row, hurts my eyes

😦

[still pagoda]

that's fine. At least it's useful to have AT right where it needs to be

:D

[sharp palm]

@steep bone are you still sharing that elvui?

[steep bone]

im still working on it

[still pagoda]

@still pagoda Either swap %p with %c and put

function(_, duration, progress)
    return duration > 1.5 and progress or ""
end

with update custom text on Every Frame or in conditions make that text [1] is not visible when duration is <= 1.5
@steep bone

When talking of this function, don't forget to add Every Frame in custom text update option

otherwise it will be stuck with initial cooldown until the said ability is back

[steep bone]

"with update custom text on Every Frame"

;d

[still pagoda]

ah

i just came home and forgot about second half of the text i quoted. Figured that out by myself

[nocturne berry]

Hey boys, ive been wanting to switch to prot from brewmaster for shadowlands. I have played dps warrior before so i like the vibe of the class. Ive heard pretty bad things about the state of prot in shadowlands, is it going to be viable? Its the only plate tank i want to play and i need to figure out what im rerolling to pretty soon for my guild.

[still pagoda]

@nocturne berry #698541559049748520

so far looks like it's just gonna be fine

[nocturne berry]

ive heard that they are very squishy and have some pretty bad group controll

we are planning to be pushing mythic again this xpac so it needs to be viable

[still pagoda]

you can look into #698541559049748520 for local discussion of the spec

[steep bone]

@nocturne berry define pushing, what is it for you

[novel ruin]

@nocturne berry We don’t know what the best anything is yet in SL. We are only testing the feel of things and Prot warrior on beta feels different than on Live due to haste levels and talent row swapping and that we don’t know raid/dungeon mobs very well. It’ll be fine, just different. If anyone tells you that this class is OP or the best, they are wrong because tuning is one of the very last things that happens on beta.

[nocturne berry]

we arent going for bleeding edge world first but we are a hardcore raiding guild

[novel ruin]

If you are looking to be raid tanking, blood DK and Monk are usual safe bets

With DK Dps specs usually performing pretty solid in raid as well.

[steep bone]

im pretty sure that you gotta get bis tanks if you're going for like world 300

[novel ruin]

No you don’t

[steep bone]

200-100?

[novel ruin]

No lol

[nocturne berry]

my main is a brewmaster rn and i want a switch up

i want to play a plate tank

and i dislike the mobility of pali and dk

[novel ruin]

Then from a safety standpoint, Blood is the best bet.

Paladin feels very fun to play right now on beta

[nocturne berry]

pali is my plan b

[novel ruin]

Warriors feels different and less fun due to how much fun it’s live version is.

[steep bone]

everything that's haste based is fun

[still pagoda]

@steep bone

WR20 or further is the only point worth going for best tank specs

otherwise, JUST PUSH IT BY YOURSELF

WITH YOUR HANDS

[steep bone]

hmm

sounds about right tbh

[novel ruin]

But from a safety standpoint, I would go brewmaster and blood DK

@still pagoda @steep bone Even lower than that

[still pagoda]

i'm going warr and Pala/BrM

[steep bone]

but anyway, such guilds tanks/dps/healers have all classes/roles

just to fit bis for every boss

[novel ruin]

Ehh no

[steep bone]

or most of them

[novel ruin]

World first, yes

And if you are Top 50 or so you probably have a main alt

But lots of top guilds don’t force alts

Because if you are playing what you enjoy, you will play better and stick around.

[steep bone]

about alts, i've seen lots of guilds demanding to have alt toon, when i asked if they're doing split run, EWW NO

[still pagoda]

[novel ruin]

Demanded to have an alt toon?

😮

[still pagoda]

my current guild doesn't demand any alts. We all are just totally messed up altoholics

[steep bone]

yee long time ago i was applying to guilds on other toon

[still pagoda]

😳

[steep bone]

they wanted me to have alt that's on par with my main

and im like are you even doing alt runs?

[novel ruin]

Big avoid lol

[still pagoda]

^

[steep bone]

they said nope, so im like then im not gonna waste my life on gearing alts on my own xD

either alt run/gear funnel or gtfo

imagine needing alt if you're fire mage

[novel ruin]

Lol

[still pagoda]

[steep bone]

probs second mage for memes

[novel ruin]

Lots of bad fire mages out there

[sick sentinel]

spriest pumps [2]
@still pagoda no idea if thats true or not but i think i saw a bunch of spriest lately

[steep bone]

spriest pumps

[novel ruin]

Spriest does really good damage

[steep bone]

if you know how to play around him

[still pagoda]

@sick sentinel Good Spriests of course

[novel ruin]

But they tickle

[still pagoda]

garbo people will go with zero DPS

[sick sentinel]

Lots of bad fire mages out there
@novel ruin FTFY

[novel ruin]

FTFY?

[steep bone]

garbo people will go with zero DPS
@still pagoda that applies to everything tho

[sick sentinel]

fixed that for you

[still pagoda]

yeah

[novel ruin]

Oh

Glacial is literally 4 buttons

[steep bone]

imagine being bad as bm hunter or havoc

[novel ruin]

Arcane actually requires some though

Unless it’s AOE

Thought*

[steep bone]

frost was literally meme spec

i started calling out stuffs for my guild back in uldir

literally nothing to do as frost, just frostbolt spam

[novel ruin]

Fire mages suck until about the 19/20 key range

[sick sentinel]

mage is too much 2000 iq for me not enjoyable

[still pagoda]

i was a mage main during Uldir and BoD

what a meme time

[steep bone]

Fire mages suck until about the 19/20 key range
@novel ruin even there if you've other dps that are pumping

[novel ruin]

A lot of caster specs are easier than melee specs

[still pagoda]

500k glacials early on

[steep bone]

melees have more mechanics to do right?

[novel ruin]

Yeah

[steep bone]

i swapped fire right when it became viable on ghuun

or well when i learned how to comb

[novel ruin]

But even from a rotation standpoint

Most casters don’t tend to press wrong buttons

They move too much

[steep bone]

having too much haste as fire

and starting to hardcast pyro during comb

[novel ruin]

Jump

[steep bone]

i was strafing

[novel ruin]

I jump during combust

[steep bone]

but usually i was watching something while raiding as fire

literally

boring af

[sick sentinel]

never fucking again

[steep bone]

fun for 10s every 2mins

[novel ruin]

Why aren’t you kicking the boss Yogi?

[steep bone]

[still pagoda]

did Ghuun prog as a fire. Half of pulls were like this @steep bone

[steep bone]

you as a tank can kick every single cast

unless uve dh who wants to kick then u let him

[novel ruin]

The only time you shouldn’t be able to kick the boss is doing blob boss on it

[sick sentinel]

just must have used kick at wrong time

[novel ruin]

And even with blob, you should still be able to kick it 70% of the time

[sick sentinel]

but no, all melee group is just way too fucking stressful for me.

[steep bone]

there's nothing else to kick on yazma

[novel ruin]

Melee group is actually easier on ya NA

[steep bone]

[novel ruin]

Yazma*

Than range

[steep bone]

melees can stand behind her

perfect spiders ❤️

not spread like shit everywhere

[sick sentinel]

not in my opinion i had to have a group of ranged to do that fight

get that 15 on time

[novel ruin]

Sure, you can have that opinion

[steep bone]

it may feel its easier with rangeds

[novel ruin]

But it is much easier with melee

[sick sentinel]

thats another one i'll never do again due to the tiny timer

[steep bone]

but if everyone is stacking then spiders are also stacked and you dont have shitfiesta

and pug rangeds loves to stand on the way you're going

[still pagoda]

^

[steep bone]

• as melee you don't have to stop attacking while moving, as ranged you do

unless you're bm hunter

[novel ruin]

Yeah that fight sucks as a range

Same with volkal

[sick sentinel]

i have no idea what we had in our group pretty sure a hunter though

[novel ruin]

At this point if geared appropriately, you as a tank can carry a +15

[steep bone]

^ if you've td

you're soloing dungeons

[sick sentinel]

what i found was less spider puddles around the boss, meaning i could leave boss at starting position and then the echoes don't get fucked up and reach boss

[steep bone]

you can slowly move 24/7

and you dont have spiders

[novel ruin]

You want to kite the boss around the outside edge of the room

[sick sentinel]

so then i only have to move her 2 times

[novel ruin]

No

Constantly move her

[steep bone]

i dislike volkal

on explo weeks*

[novel ruin]

The goal of the fight is to get all the spiders grouped up and by you moving around as an entire group, that happens. Thus the spiders will always be behind you

[steep bone]

basically, if you play this boss right it's pretty ez, if you don't it looks like it's hard

[manic vapor]

some guy said to me that vers is better than twilight devastation for dps. I am doing like +17 keys. is that true?

[steep bone]

NO

[novel ruin]

No

TD is best damage

[steep bone]

tell that guy to educate

[manic vapor]

ok good. thought i made a mistake buying the td3 this week 😄

[steep bone]

if you're doing just keys up to 20 range you can safely go full dps

[manic vapor]

yeah not even close to 20 yet

[steep bone]

td5 it2 and you're set

[novel ruin]

Even higher than that with solid play

[steep bone]

i had the same on nzoth prog

XD

[novel ruin]

@sick sentinel It’s your job to enable the dps. If you aren’t doing mechanics correctly (or don’t know them, seek them out) that is on you to improve

[sweet summit]

if you get more versa you get bigger heals
what

[buoyant walrus]

So when I am doing +15 keys I have no problem surviving but it seems like more times than not we won’t time the key ( unless it’s a super easy affix week)

So is it my fault then?

[novel ruin]

I mean with more vers you get bigger healing pots xD

@buoyant walrus Usually, yes

[sick sentinel]

that was one of his arguments why i should take versa, i do more damage, and i get bigger heals

[steep bone]

with more vers you need less healing as you take less damage so basically healers are lazy fuckers

you don't do more damage

[sweet summit]

you dont get bigger heals

thats not how it works

[sick sentinel]

nerftank is using versa too, and i'm on same server as him, so i should do exactly as he is doing stack versa for 15's

[steep bone]

it says healing done not taken

oh ye thats good argument

wf keys are done with full versa and only rank 1 it

[novel ruin]

@buoyant walrus For a pug environment in low keys, a tank has about 60-70% of the responsibility of whether or not youll time a 15

[buoyant walrus]

@novel ruin Damn what do I improve on? Do I try and make@bigger pulls to make up for time? Cuz I’m not dying at all but my DPS will stand in shit or not move out of boss mechanics

[steep bone]

you can do ppack by pack on 15s and time it

especially if you dont wipe

[novel ruin]

@buoyant walrus Record a video, send to me and we can go over it. Also what @steep bone says

Go pack by pack and you’ll be fine at that range too

[sick sentinel]

i keep meaning to record what i'm doing dunno if i got enough storage for the video

[steep bone]

use obs

its not gonna take alot of space

[novel ruin]

If your 465 ilvl with decent corruption, it’s not gear nor pugs why it’s hard for you to time 15s.

It’s you

And that’s okay

[buoyant walrus]

Ok I’ll try that out. Yesterday I ran siege and it felt like each boss fight would take us 5min cuz dps was so weak and then heading down to last boss they all died from standing in blue swirlies lol

[novel ruin]

As long as you realize there is room to grow

Siege is bad dungeon for any group

[sick sentinel]

i'll agree that tank has most say in if you'll time your key, then again tank can't make dps not use drest while LOS for flashing daggers on jes, or healer stands in sand trap, for example

[novel ruin]

Mistakes happen, yes

But you can brute force your way o victory at that level

And if you aren’t, you are doing something wrong

[buoyant walrus]

Yeah I’m 473 ilvl currently with a TD3 , and IT2 ....I’m waiting to equip my second IT2 once I get another 475 piece to put it on

[novel ruin]

Guys, a 20 Atal has been SOLOED

[buoyant walrus]

Feels bad haha

[sick sentinel]

for example, say you pull first boss of anything and bloodlust, but then healer fails to mechanics and dies, maybe gets brez, but you wipe

[novel ruin]

In most boss situations, you wouldn’t die

At a 15 level

You can solo carry it with solid play

[sick sentinel]

you are already out 25 seconds just from the death penalty, +buffing, and you lost all your big dps.

[novel ruin]

So?

[sick sentinel]

• whatever time it takes to run back

[novel ruin]

It’s a 15

[sick sentinel]

so that one wipe can cost you 5 minutes, meaning you fail the key

[novel ruin]

People were literally 3manning 15s a month into the patch

And most wipes do not cost 5minutes

Especially on a 15

[steep bone]

if you're doing last boss on tyra with no dps which takes like 4mins and u die on last platform

then it may be around 5mins

[novel ruin]

Of siege, sure

That’s 1 boss

[steep bone]

last boss in underrot is rip too

[novel ruin]

It can be

But not on a 15

[steep bone]

aye

i mean i depleted 15

but

[novel ruin]

Should be 2chesting Ur 15 pretty reliably

[steep bone]

our dps looked like my overall was 62 then dh with 58 and everyone else was even lower

XD

failed third boss

[buoyant walrus]

Haha shiiiit I feel like a chump

[novel ruin]

Third boss is harder than cragmaw and I will die on that hill

[sick sentinel]

i think imma go fish for 15 TD's today until i get a non clown group.

[steep bone]

td this week

[sick sentinel]

next week bursting, cannons, i know i should, but i don't nessecarily trust all healers

[steep bone]

healers doesnt know how to heal over 3-4stacks on low keys

literally standing there pressing no buttons

[novel ruin]

You don’t really die to bursting in TD after beach

All the packs are generally 3-6

[steep bone]

man, with pugs everything is possible

[buoyant walrus]

Haha pug life

[warm plinth]

All it takes is someone to inevitably pull neutrals into your trash pack

[novel ruin]

Its the same mentality people have about randoms in MOBAs

and they cry about elo hell

it doesnt exist

if you care enough, youll spend the time and effort to "git gud"

[buoyant walrus]

I just need to slowly build a regular group from the few good ppl I meet in these pug groups

[warm plinth]

I didn’t understand any of that

[novel ruin]

There is 1 constant in a 5man pug group

That is you

[steep bone]

oh ye but in wow its different, sometimes i just feel like doing low keys for memes or just plain helping people

[novel ruin]

IF you are having trouble timing 15s with pugs

[buoyant walrus]

Low keys for an ego boost

Lol

[novel ruin]

its probably a you issue and not a pug issue

[steep bone]

you can't say that imo

[novel ruin]

Yes i can

[warm plinth]

Yes. Obviously it’s 20% of the group’s fault and not the other 80%

[novel ruin]

Tanks have more than 20% of a runs responbility

[steep bone]

but thats pulls you can carry cc to some extent

[warm plinth]

I’m not saying no one should look in the mirror but saying it’s “probably” you is silly

[steep bone]

but if they constantly ninjapull, do some stupid shit, fail bosses

how can you carry that as a tank

[novel ruin]

If you cant time 15s reliable with decent gear and corruption, its a you problem

Stop blaming it on pugs

[warm plinth]

Do you pug Xanthos?

[pearl summit]

You have the responsibility to make sure the run is idiot proof

[steep bone]

im only blaming pugs if its their fault

[pearl summit]

If you play with mongoloids, you adapt the route

to make it mongoloid-proof

easy as that

it's still a you problem

[novel ruin]

Yes, i literally pugged to 3.3k as a dps and 3.8k as a tank

[pearl summit]

unless something RIDICULOUSLY silly happens

[novel ruin]

and i still pug keys

[sick sentinel]

i pugged to 1950io personally

[steep bone]

like lets say that underrot, it was fine we were doing stuff, not fast but things was dying, no wipes, then they failed third boss, i did /p no more shockwaves, two people gone to one soak spot > wipe

[buoyant walrus]

@novel ruin I agree with what your saying, I definitely need to upload some logs or a video to get some a more detailed input on what I’m doing

[steep bone]

before last boss i told them to bait to where we came from, marked myself told them to stand on me

they baited to africa, then didnt clear stacks we died, i could stay alive but still it was wipe

so i wouldn't say i could do smt

[novel ruin]

@sick sentinel He has been trying to time 15s for his achievement for awhile which is amazing. He also blames pugs a ton for failing keys. It happens. Everyone makes mistakes. Then we learn that he rarely moves Yazma in Atal which makes it HARDER to time the key. How many other things is he doing wrong that is making it more difficult for his healer and dps? That is a personal issue, not a pug issue.

[steep bone]

wait @novel ruin i was speaking about my pug experience not yogi, did i misunderstood you

[novel ruin]

no, im providing an example

Yes, failed keys will happen

Will they happen more with a pug than a discorded group?

yes

But if you are only timing 20% of your 15ish keys at this point

You are doing something wrong, not your pugs

[steep bone]

he said he's not playing much earlier i think

[novel ruin]

You may only be 20% of the party but you hold 60-70% of the runs success at that key level

And if you are consistent in what you are doing, you should be timing 60-70% of your 15ish level keys

Its no different playing Arena in WoW or trying to grind rank in a different game or comparing Raid logs to others.

[sick sentinel]

like, most of the "easy" keys i can time on a 15 pretty easily most likely

[novel ruin]

Tol Dagor is one of the easiest keys

arguably its the 2nd easiest key in the game

[steep bone]

you should be able to time every keys on 15

[sick sentinel]

not for me TD isn't

i hate TD

[novel ruin]

then practice

play the dungeon more

go run it solo in normal mode

test stuff

ask questions on it

[steep bone]

td was hard for me earlier, now its cool

[sick sentinel]

part of why i'm doing so shit too, is i quit mid mists as a casual, and only came back in 8.0, and i had no idea what mythic dungeon was

[novel ruin]

In 99% of situations, you are your own limiting factor

@sick sentinel Thats an excuse.

[steep bone]

you had like 2 years

to learn them

as everyone else

[novel ruin]

I stopped playing in Cata and came back Nov 2019. I hadnt played a PC game in 6-7 years. I literally had to relearn how to aim with a mouse and use a keyboard

Im CE and over 4k io

If i can do it, anyone can

[steep bone]

i mean my friend pugged his way to like 4.5k as rdru

[sick sentinel]

2k is my goal

[steep bone]

you can get that in literally one week

[novel ruin]

I had friends doing 17/18 keys in 8.2 and after i ruined too many dungeons they told me i wasnt ready for that kind of content

Did it suck? Yeah. So i went out and read and asked questions and improved

[steep bone]

yogi is asking stuff now tho

[novel ruin]

What is he asking?

[steep bone]

dunno i see him on disc often

[novel ruin]

yes

as do i

[steep bone]

but i think he was here before me even

[novel ruin]

I see him complaining about pugs a lot and talking about how he wants to get +15 achievement

He did ask a question yesterday about TD bolstering which I answered

[sick sentinel]

i think i came here when uldir was a thing or some raid but i didn't talk much

[steep bone]

im here since end of may

just when i started playing my war

i don't remember if it was you or the other guy who doesn't have much time

[sick sentinel]

once i get this 15 timed achievement and mount out of the way i won't complain as much

probably quit for a while tbh

[novel ruin]

Pay me 150k gold and ill get you the achiev 😛

[steep bone]

if you haven't gotten that achi for few months now then it's probably you not pugs

[novel ruin]

^

[steep bone]

i've had people with 4k rio in 15 keys just because they wnated fast echoes, that also carries you basically for free

[novel ruin]

On a serious note, its easy to blame pugs rather than try to ask yourself what could i have done differently in said situation

[sick sentinel]

true enough, not really going hard too either though right

just a game after all

[novel ruin]

And maybe you dont have that answer so you come here to ask, thats why we are here

Sure, its a game

[steep bone]

it's game

[novel ruin]

But i know for me personally, self-improvement in anything I do is part of the enjoyment i get

[steep bone]

but you gotta ask yourself what you want from it, be casual and do low content or push something but for that you need to actually educate about game, keys, affixes and everything in general

some knowledge about other classes is also good so you can know what they can do

[novel ruin]

^

[sick sentinel]

but i just want to say, i'm not always blaming pugs, i do try to see where i failed and didn't pull the right thing or didn't stand in the right spot. it's an easy scapegoat blame it on stupid dps

[steep bone]

log keys

[sick sentinel]

maybe i'm just stupid

[steep bone]

or record them

im pretty sure that xanthos would review them and tell you some stuff

[novel ruin]

^

[steep bone]

he sat with me for like hour straight and we talked about stuff

followed some of his tips and it actually worked xD

besides that people dont follow kick order

my wasted reflects

[dusk loom]

for the vulpera bag of tricks any specific one people are using

[novel ruin]

@steep bone That happens still in 25s xD

[steep bone]

but when i marked 3 lashers they actually kicked ❤️

[sick sentinel]

someone said obs, which im not familar with, but can try

[novel ruin]

there ya go

[sick sentinel]

anyway, when i attempt to capture with nvidia, i get this, which is part of the issue

[novel ruin]

i dont know anything about capturing gameplay, i just use windows game bar to capture mine

[steep bone]

in obs you gotta select where you want records to be stored and press record

record for like 1min

and check if quality is good if it si then dont touch anything and youll be fine

[sick sentinel]

yeah, game bar works way better

[novel ruin]

then use that

then upload to youtube

then send me the video and we can go over it sometime

[steep bone]

IMPORTANT; if your acc is not verified on youtube you cannot upload longer than 15min videos

it'll upload but then fail after its done

so dont jbait yourself

[sick sentinel]

well, to put it in perspective, the last time i uploade a video, i was being yelled at for "C L I C K E R"

so... I can't promise perfection in this video i'll make

[steep bone]

Oh you're a clicker

that explains alot

don't make perfection video, make just normal run you're doing

if you're gonna tryhard in one like you never did that you never actually play then we might not spot some stuffs you're doing wrong

[sick sentinel]

going to start recording a 14 td now

[warm plinth]

Also, please keybind

[steep bone]

clicker as prot warrior sounds like giga yikes

[warm plinth]

I know a dude who is like 4100 or 4200 as a clicker prot war

[steep bone]

00f

[novel ruin]

isnt one of the top prot pallies a clicker?

[strong forum]

how the fuck can you be a clicker protwarri

with 3/4 buttons off gcd

[sweet summit]

speed

[strong forum]

ya no

macros

actually

[sick sentinel]

only thing i'm really clicking anymore is potion

[strong forum]

when you know you will have to press something on global and off gcd, at the same time, you have a macro for that

[dusk loom]

Nomeratur what bag of tricks are you predominantly using

you mentioned one that was doing fairly big damage

[strong forum]

basic

never cared about getting the others

cuz it doesnt make a difference

[hallow phoenix]

They're just cosmetic

[dusk loom]

sounds good was curious

didnt know that

[strong forum]

its a magic dmg proc and heal

so it doesnt matter if its fire, shadow or nature dmg

[novel ruin]

and 40 yds

[civic rover]

i lowkey wanna race change to vulpera

but being a fat panda is fun

[dusk loom]

perfect yeah just read up on them

for some reason corrosive in my head defaulted to a poison dong some damage over time

[strong forum]

that would be awesome

love me some dots

[dusk loom]

yeah would be interesting rather than cosmetic changes

[sick sentinel]

that key went as expected

did record it but didn't even make it to second boss room.

[dusk loom]

only reason for getting those is really if you are like a fire mage and are firelocked could do some shadow damage instead while locked

[chilly brook]

@sick sentinel honestly you should really keybind

[sick sentinel]

i do now, everything but potion, and i can't think of a good button for it atm

[sweet summit]

f3

[sick sentinel]

re-recording

[warm plinth]

I use F10 for potion which is bound to the top-back button on my mouse (I have one of the like...15 button mice)

[novel ruin]

X is my potion and Shift-X is my Healthstone

[strong forum]

potion is S2 healthstone is S3, but gonna change that with SL

[steep bone]

SX is my main dps potion f1 is my secondary dps potion

[novel ruin]

f1 is Avatar, f2 is last stand and f3 is rally

[steep bone]

and thats on my mouse

[novel ruin]

I need to find a different bind for Heroic Throw. Its Shift-Q right now

[strong forum]

mine is mouse 4 for that

[sweet summit]

ht is on f2

[strong forum]

any ranged spammable tank thingy i have on mouse 4

[novel ruin]

I dont use ctrl nor alt mods

[strong forum]

except judgment cuz lmao

[novel ruin]

3 or 4 is usually my main defensive tool, like shield block, shield of righteousness, etc

since thats where my thumb naturally rests on my MMO mouse

is 4

[still pagoda]

keybinds you say?

[warm plinth]

That is so many mods

Why

Get a mouse with more than 2 buttons

[sweet summit]

ravager 😍

[still pagoda]

That is so many mods
@warm plinth

Only 2

Ctrl and Shift

F is of course for F bar

and the only button on my mouse is devastator

and also essence

[patent sigil]

Whats better trinket the PSCD or the SoW?

i do not have the alchemy trinket yet but i get more haste out of the PSCD but the SoW is a great surv cd

[strong forum]

sigil is turbo bad
pocket sized is good

[warm plinth]

What is PSCD?

Oh

[patent sigil]

ok i have the haste PCSD with the Hardmode haste in it

is that better than the alchemy trinket?

[strong forum]

alch trinket is solid

i wouldnt say either is better than the other

[patent sigil]

Sounds good i got one TD rank 3 and the rest will be verse

[still pagoda]

@warm plinth mecha punchcard trinket

[strong forum]

if you dont plan on doing 23+++ keys vers isnt something you should care about

[warm plinth]

Yeah I got it once Nom said pocket sized :p

[still pagoda]

HM haste card is godly for arms

[warm plinth]

Just never seen that abbreviation before

[strong forum]

me neither, i got the hint from the "haste"

[warm plinth]

I scrapped a 445 recal not long ago 🙂

Well, vendored, but w/e

[patent sigil]

Oh sorry ya i picked it up for arms but prot needs haste too

[still pagoda]

I scrapped a 445 recal not long ago 🙂
@warm plinth

[strong forum]

i should scrap all my vers gear

tbh

[civic rover]

nomeratur

[strong forum]

just out of spite

[patent sigil]

I just got the Nzoth 470 trink off the weekly chest

[steep bone]

Woo, cara dead, officially 12/12M

[strong forum]

gamer

[warm plinth]

That's a pretty good one

Not needed if you're doing lower keys but it's really strong defensively

[civic rover]

i saw the vod of you doing that 22 freehold when you went full vers

[strong forum]

that was content

eh

top tier content

[civic rover]

the commentary was pretty funny

"take no damage baby rage"

[still pagoda]

[strong forum]

ya

[civic rover]

laughs in hybrid build, best of both worlds

[still pagoda]

laughs in hybrid build, best of both worlds [2]

[strong forum]

i should make that FH a highlight

[limpid pawn]

We at like 320 pulls on mythic nzoth now, secret phase once 70 pulls ago

[still pagoda]

[strong forum]

F

[limpid pawn]

This normal?