protection

[civic rover]

is the mythic boe shield really worth that much? i got mine for like 400k off some guy in trade chat lmao

[novel ruin]

its worth whatever someone wants to pay for it

[obtuse yoke]

Items are all worth how much someone will pay

Yup exactly

[civic rover]

im gonna assume i lucked out

[undone sun]

it still has regional graphs

[still pagoda]

is the mythic boe shield really worth that much? i got mine for like 400k off some guy in trade chat lmao
@civic rover

475 shield is worth a lot

[novel ruin]

i have a hard time paying 200k for a 475 socketed leech crit/haste ring for Fury but did it

[still pagoda]

Mostly due to lack of 475 shield sources

[novel ruin]

but as someone who had no gold in November, i dont like spending it willynilly

[deep steppe]

I'll list it for that 900k and maybe post in tradechat and see what i get

ty bois ❤️

[novel ruin]

now i have 2mil 🙂

[steep bone]

@still pagoda basically mythic ilgy or luck with weekly chest

[still pagoda]

@steep bone luck with weekly chest in my case

[steep bone]

ilgy in mine lmao

[novel ruin]

mythic ilgy took 6 weeks for me

[obtuse yoke]

i used to flip boes for profit a ton, and the amount of angry whispers i'd get when "you'll never sell ___ for 1 mil" was priceless. was even better when it would sell the next day

but be patient with boes @deep steppe

[mellow patio]

I sold boe shield for 50k to a fellow prot warrior because karma is real damnit

[still pagoda]

^ Skyhold comradery

[steep bone]

i had 500k offer for 430 socket font that i got yday

[still pagoda]

😁

[mellow patio]

In the case of font.... ask them to give you more

[steep bone]

i was there to help friend getting it

[mellow patio]

Screw rdps

[steep bone]

but i'd tbh start with 600k and see whos gonna pay the most

imagine 455 socket font

[still pagoda]

imagine 455 socket font
@steep bone

2mil minimum

[deep steppe]

i'm very new to the gold making scene @obtuse yoke

[still pagoda]

SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY

[deep steppe]

I shall do my best lmao

[still pagoda]

Herb flipping was once a thing

Now I'm broke

[steep bone]

go for lazy way, apply for communities, boost whenever you feel like you want to, m+, visions, residentsleeper and then cap weeklies on alts once they're eglible for boosting eccdee

[civic rover]

selling 5 masks when people would pay 150k for them was the way to go

[novel ruin]

pvp selling is best way

[deep steppe]

that would require me to be good at pvp doe

[civic rover]

im cheeks at pvp

[steep bone]

i mean if you're doing masks anyway might aswell take boostie and get paid for that boring content

[still pagoda]

I'm ape-tier at pvp

[civic rover]

i got a friend to carry me to 1600 for the essence

[still pagoda]

TSG/Turbo ape strat enthusiast

[civic rover]

then just did pvp islands to cap every week

and its the first thing i buy for alts

[fierce bobcat]

our dps changes depending on which dummy we test it on right? like if we're trying to test our 3 target dps against raidbots, there's no set of dummies that are equivalent to 3 raid bosses?

[still pagoda]

There is one... Called Mythic hivemind

But going outside of jokes

[fierce bobcat]

lol i've never been to mythic nya yet

[still pagoda]

There's a couple of raider dummies stacked in orgri

[fierce bobcat]

ahh ok same place as the main raidboss one?

i'll go check thx

[still pagoda]

No

On the gate

[fierce bobcat]

cool didn't realize there were 2 places

[sharp palm]

Hello. Can som1 link me a good elvui for tanking?

something like fem or naowh

[undone sun]

https://wago.io/elvui/classes/warrior/protection take you pick, UIs are incredibly subjective. ask fem or noawh themselves of their UIs.

[civic rover]

for naowhs ui you have to be subbed to his twitch

source: i use his ui

[steep bone]

@sharp palm @civic rover or wait until I finish my Elvui that looks 99% like naowh, completely for free

[sharp palm]

@steep bone tag me bro ❤️

[steep bone]

If you check weak auras channel I linked few times prot wa’a that are basically looking like naowhs

@sharp palm

[sick sentinel]

Is TD worth buying for prot mainspec and fury offspec or is it too bad on fury

[sharp palm]

can't find the elvui profile

[steep bone]

Because its not done yet, im still working on it, but weak aura set for prot is done

[sharp palm]

that one I saw, thx

[steep bone]

Enjoy

[sweet summit]

@sick sentinel TD is pretty good in m+ for fury too

[sharp palm]

When will the vendor reset? I wanna buy TD 3

I know it's today, but dunno the hour

[strong forum]

On NA in like 18hrs

EU is in 36hrs

[arctic python]

how come you dont prio vers > ilvl once you start stacking vers amplifyers ?

[sweet summit]

You kinda do?

[arctic python]

Just heard a lot of conflicting opinions on this

some saying that you should always pick the high ilvl even tho a lower ilvl might have 50 more vers on it

[strong forum]

Depends on the circumstances

[sweet summit]

You want the highest ilvl items possible with vers and haste

[strong forum]

^

[arctic python]

That goes without saying - it becomes compliated when an item might have higher illvl but has crit vers - or lower ilvl but socket

[sweet summit]

Sockets are irrelevant

U just farm them

[arctic python]

gues your right but thhen take an item which has high vers stat low haste (465) or and items that has low vers high haste (475)

[steep bone]

If you rely only on weekly haste Vers items then I’d put amps on 465s but if you mythic raid then there are few good pieces with haste vers

[sweet summit]

Defo the 475 in that case imo

[strong forum]

Same

[arctic python]

cheers

[strong forum]

But hey only 2/3 more months of these memes

Can't wait tbh

[steep bone]

Gonna be fun

[sweet summit]

Enjoy it while it lasts

[steep bone]

All those 28 keys not doable anymore

[strong forum]

I will enjoy it when it's over

[sweet summit]

Youre gonna get a lot of questions about soulbinds,conduits,covenants,how bad prot is (🤡) etc

[arctic python]

wont they be scaling high keys so that they are still doable?

[strong forum]

No

[sweet summit]

Nah

[steep bone]

What do You think gonna be highest possible for warriors, 24?

[arctic python]

so basically no content doing pre patch

[strong forum]

Warrior, maybe 20

[steep bone]

Wait whaaat

[strong forum]

Bdk prolly like 22

Maybe 23

Na no idea honestly

I'm assuming scaling will be completely dumbfuck

Same as alot of mythic bosses will be random as shit

[brittle owl]

prepatch gonna be a clown fiesta

[steep bone]

All this dps people can do now

[strong forum]

Corruptions will be gone with pre-patch so people will lose shitton of dps and scaling of dungeons and raids will be all over the place

[brittle owl]

speculating on that is like thinking about how would you go around playing football after you get your legs amputated and replace by paper tank tracks

[strong forum]

^

[steep bone]

I mean you will still have all sockets so atleast something

[strong forum]

For all we know wrathion could already be a wall

[brittle owl]

ah yes

sockets

[strong forum]

Or 1shot tanks

[brittle owl]

the alpha, the omega, the beggining and the end

sackets

[strong forum]

[steep bone]

Dunno how blizz come up with an idea of corruptions

[brittle owl]

prob after a crack binge

[strong forum]

Kiss/curse turned shit

With no actual testing

boom

[brittle owl]

i like my version better

[strong forum]

Anyone remember what kind of keys people did in bfa pre-patch?

[steep bone]

30s as i remember

Very high atleast

[strong forum]

Ye just checked

Interesting

Oh kek, one of the priests that did +31 key in pre-patch was actually in my guild

Wrixi

[brittle owl]

https://raider.io/mythic-plus-rankings/season-pre-bfa/all/world/leaderboards-strict

[steep bone]

In BfA pre patch we were been getting overpowered

[brittle owl]

we werent overpowered

[strong forum]

I thought that was after

[brittle owl]

scaling just got fucked

[steep bone]

In BfA we will progress backwards

[brittle owl]

which is probably whats gonna happen anyway

[strong forum]

Did we have the empowered artifacts in pre-patch, I can't remember tbh

[brittle owl]

ya

[strong forum]

Ya then no wonder

People got stronger in pre-patch than in legion itself

Whereas we will get significantly weaker in SL pre-patch

[brittle owl]

and people still did +15 weekly no leavers

kek

[strong forum]

Cuz of the squish alone

[brittle owl]

the squish can bork both ways

[strong forum]

Ya

[steep bone]

Ehh good prepatch times of boosting two people at once

[strong forum]

What for

Lmao

[brittle owl]

moneyz

[strong forum]

I mean who would buy a boost

[steep bone]

Lots did

[strong forum]

For what reason

[brittle owl]

could just do 15's with tank+2 warlocks

[steep bone]

People were absolute pepegas

[brittle owl]

poor judgement? lack of value system?

bad parenting?

[strong forum]

Defo bad parenting

[brittle owl]

subpar education?

[strong forum]

I remember people getting a +26 key in bfa S1 from their legion cache

:kekw:

[brittle owl]

that was hilarious

[strong forum]

Easy weekly no leaver

[brittle owl]

queue blizz bandaid to let you delete your keystone

[strong forum]

Pls bring that back :sad:

[steep bone]

I had returning customer getting 15 boost for his alts like 7 toons every week, he was outgearing us but still wanted because it was faster that way

[strong forum]

It was so good

[steep bone]

Corruption ring on my affli

[strong forum]

Ya alot of rich people do that, cuz they just want a quick key done

And don't want some pub heroes to screech around

[steep bone]

He was just chilling at entrance enjoying coffee

But dungs in legion were meme compared to BfA in my opinion

[strong forum]

Yes

[steep bone]

But seat of triumvitae holy shit that place was cursed, something like tyran sots with pugs

[strong forum]

Youre gonna get a lot of questions about soulbinds,conduits,covenants,how bad prot is (🤡) etc
@sweet summit but way less people cuz prot isnt gonna be fotm anymore, and not stupid stuff halfwit comments about vers stacking so I'm all content with that tbh

[brittle owl]

sounds like S1 bfa

[steep bone]

Did someone say uncapped bonestorm?

[strong forum]

It's literally gonna be 8.0 all over again ye

But people atleast still know about spell reflect, the may forget that really fast though

[steep bone]

Im probs gonna go dk and i didnt even get to have fun as warrior

[strong forum]

Fotm 👉 🚪

[steep bone]

Im pugging mostly so cba dealing with pugs declining cuz ure not fotm

[leaden dune]

Which you recommend

[strong forum]

Pocket sized

[steep bone]

So j was right

[leaden dune]

Haha ty

[leaden dune]

Is it worth gemming a sim gesring

For example

And no I don’t get how to crop before you all laugh xd

[steep wraith]

Winkey+shift+s

[leaden dune]

I use phone app

I don’t play on nothing high tech I need frame rate xd

[strong forum]

Sockets cost less than 10g, so yes socket it

[leaden dune]

They don’t haha more like 2-300’g

[brittle owl]

👀

what kind of dead server are you on

[leaden dune]

One I been at since vanilla xd

[sharp palm]

@steep bone how much do you estimate it will take till you finish the WA?

elvui sry

[leaden dune]

He’s of for now mate 🙂

What’s better anima of life and death or crucible of flame

I know it’s not ideal I’m hearing xd

[strong forum]

Crucible

Anima is useless, an empty slot is more useful than anima

[uneven fern]

I was about to ask question about corruptions, but then I read the pins. Cheers mates! This discord has made being a warrior tank more enjoyable and I am switching from being a fotm tank to a warrior main tank.

[strong forum]

👍

[sweet summit]

Very epic my guy

[leaden dune]

Thank you

[leaden dune]

Dam getting a shield is being hard work

[sick sentinel]

yeah, and if you get one from box it will be mechashield

[wary beacon]

Vex chest 465 or ashvane chest 480

[sick sentinel]

only reason you go down ilvl for azerite is if you have no DC or no BoM

[sweet summit]

Ashvane

Ashvane is one of the better vendor chests

Big

[sick sentinel]

only thing i have left to do on wow really is get that damn TD 15 timed, and maybe AOTC for this season

get a better chest and possibly craft goggles

[leaden dune]

Haha nuce

Make sure I got this right to do 15 keys I gem for damage not survivabilirt

So haste not vers right

I got told earlier but forgot

[sweet summit]

Haste is survivability

But yeah, haste gems/enchants

Force multi on weapon

[leaden dune]

Haste is survivabilirt ?

How

[sweet summit]

More rage

Less sb cd

Basically

[leaden dune]

So why do people do vers

[hidden plaza]

pins have info

[sweet summit]

Becayse they are pussysoyboys :^)

[sick sentinel]

more haste means more abilities, so you TD more often, and the boss gets to do less attacks, so you are better at surviving

200 iq

[sweet summit]

There comes a point where you need vers to survive, so thats ehy they go vers but versatile corruprion is what enables this since vers scales very slowly

[leaden dune]

Oooo okay thankyou

[summer lotus]

these debates seem exactly the same as in DH discord

[sick sentinel]

for warrior at least we do need some crit

[sweet summit]

Eh

Yeah vers debates are in every tank discord @summer lotus corruption is very fun haHAA

[summer lotus]

it always comes down to "MORE TD"

[sweet summit]

Pmuch

Warriors also want IT1 tho

So thats "new" xd

[strong forum]

Ye subo it's roughly the same as on vengeance

Except the point where vengeance stacks vers is way more obscure than warri and a higher level

[sweet summit]

Vers%+spb 😏

[summer lotus]

ye im a dirty veng main, all I do is math every week how much TD i can get the next week

[sweet summit]

This week is td7?

[summer lotus]

td7 on 58 corruption

[sweet summit]

Defo the play

[summer lotus]

I still have 3x vers3 in my inventory from the naive time I will ever swap to stacking it

[strong forum]

Hf in those 29s

[sweet summit]

Can a vdh solo a 29 fort zul?

[patent vortex]

hello new to this discord and was wondering if I could get advice on my stuffs. I seem to just be very squishy...need to fix lol

I can post a link if needed

[still pagoda]

sure

but know

if you're really squishy, it's definitely something with how you play

[patent vortex]

i am 100% cool with telling me i am trash. I need to fix it lol

i played warrior for years and just returned but just do not seem to get gear these days. like how it works

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6RCHBrorfYBcMDECmBA9Kf

[strong forum]

Well you're incredibly low ilvl so that plays a huge part

[patent vortex]

I just hit 120 about a week ago

[still pagoda]

Essences

get Visions of Perfection or Crucible

as major

drop anima minor

[patent vortex]

i roll to play with some friends

[still pagoda]

get Conflict and Strife

[wide dragon]

Alright friends, I have a problem that you might be able to solve. Can any of you explain why a holy pal was ripping threat from me on tussle tonks in an m15?

[strong forum]

If you just came back your best bet is read up on the icy veins guide and just play the content, assaults visions world quests and raids to get some of the recommended essences and your cloak upgrades

[still pagoda]

^

[strong forum]

And if you have any specific questions you're welcome to ask

[still pagoda]

usual stuff for returning players

what i would do ASAP with gear is to change essences though

[patent vortex]

already thanks so just a few minor things and basically playing catch up

[still pagoda]

and learning the spec

change essences for sure

[patent vortex]

i am going to work on the PvP one right now

Conflict and Strife

[still pagoda]

VoP/CoF major

Lucid/CnS/Sphere minors

is a good setup

Conflict and Strife minor is pretty much mandatory

100% uptime on ~500 of raw stats from just it

[patent vortex]

VoP is a mythic drop right

[still pagoda]

Visions of Perfection

mechagon drop

just do few mechagon keys and rank 3 is yours :)

[patent vortex]

OH wow ~500 raw stats

yeah i need that

well, i get i am off to PvP lol

[still pagoda]

just get onto 3s with your friends

it's really fun as a warrior

especially if playing melee cleaves like TSG or Turbo

[dusk loom]

Is the vulpera racial nose for trouble really that good? not really looking to try and split hairs on racials but am considering flipping from alliance to horde and considering BE, HM Tauren, Tauren and Vulpera. I would assume the bag of tricks is a non factor as it scales with vers and it is unlikely we see anything like the current state of vers levels ever again

[strong forum]

It does several million of dmg prevented in dungeons

[sweet summit]

BE, because they look a lot better and if you disagree youre wrong

[dusk loom]

well that is pretty insane then

[strong forum]

It helps you out on the weakest moment on a pull, the start. It gives you some lenience in terms of SB usage on pull

[toxic gyro]

Orc for the win

[strong forum]

And the heal/dmg on use can crit for 150k+

[dusk loom]

yeah BE the arcane torrent seems like it could be handy for enraging, or specific circumstances like the brinecallers water shields in TD

[strong forum]

(it scales better with AP than vers)

[dusk loom]

well damn that sounds a little broken for a racial

[strong forum]

Arcane torrent doesn't remove enrage

[dusk loom]

oh well then that is even better to know was thinking it would since i believe hunters can purge

[onyx vessel]

Belf is overrated

[strong forum]

Hunters can soothe

[sweet summit]

BE=more rage=AM big value ;^)

[onyx vessel]

[strong forum]

15 rage every 2minutes :poggies:

[sweet summit]

We take those

[onyx vessel]

Useless

Double food buff

Panda too good

[dusk loom]

yeah only other ones would be the utility of a timely war stomp or rush from one of the taurens to interrupt in a PUG thinking like mending rapids in SOTS or soemthing like that

[strong forum]

Not really since stuns don't stop mending rapids to be casted

[sweet summit]

More for KR adds tbh

The small fuckers

[strong forum]

It'll just Recast after the stun runs out

Tauren really aren't good

Ontop of just being ugly imo

[onyx vessel]

[sweet summit]

You can still block during the channel yeah?

[blazing gale]

They will be great in SL !

[strong forum]

Idk erga.

[onyx vessel]

2% crit dam is huge on tauren for fury mains

[strong forum]

Fury in 2020

[sweet summit]

Looking cool>4 dps tbh

[strong forum]

Get a load of this guy

[onyx vessel]

[blazing gale]

All races matter so

[onyx vessel]

Highest dps in my guild

[sweet summit]

No
Not goblins

[blazing gale]

just dont play vulpera :>

[split wyvern]

Zandalari ftw, simply for ahahaha rawwwwrrr taunt sound

[dusk loom]

hahah fury is pretty fun to me right now as off-spec hard to go from no expedient prot to arms and not be annoyed at the pace of play

[novel ruin]

Vulpera best Horde Warrior tank

[onyx vessel]

[novel ruin]

Decent passive

[split wyvern]

Fake news on vulpera lol

[novel ruin]

Cool animations

Has a 40 yard pull range which no other warrior has access to

[strong forum]

^

[split wyvern]

Who needs that

[novel ruin]

Waycrest manor

[strong forum]

You'd be surprised how amazing 40 Yard pull range is

[novel ruin]

To pull the doggies

After lord/lady

[onyx vessel]

If it does 0 dmg

[split wyvern]

To each their own

[onyx vessel]

Even better

[strong forum]

It can crit for over 100k :)

[novel ruin]

Which is big damage

[onyx vessel]

Fuckin furries

[novel ruin]

My shield slam doesn’t crit for that much

[strong forum]

And healcrit for over 150k

:)

[novel ruin]

Think highest shield slam I’ve seen is 80ish k

[strong forum]

It's basically a double stacked Cof major for free

Ya smth around that

[onyx vessel]

Bah

[strong forum]

Tfw TC crit for 40k in 8.1.5

Same as now

:sad:

[novel ruin]

😮

[onyx vessel]

Mine crits for 60

Nice alt warrior

[strong forum]

(haven't looked at TC dmg for years)

[novel ruin]

How does TC crit for 60??

[onyx vessel]

Its legit 40% of your dmg

[novel ruin]

Yes

[onyx vessel]

Or 30

[strong forum]

Ya but why should I look at the individual numbers

[onyx vessel]

True

[novel ruin]

Cuz big numbers are satisfying

[strong forum]

I see overall is above 70k-100k dps, that's all I care for

[novel ruin]

If you are after that overall just pull bigger

Entire boss rooms

Onto boss

Profit

[strong forum]

Obv

That's the only fun part about keys

[novel ruin]

On bolstering/explosive week

[onyx vessel]

I've legit seen 58k in a single tclap hit

[strong forum]

I'm not even gonna do a weekly this week

[onyx vessel]

Thicc dmg

[novel ruin]

We did 25 TD this week

Spent 110min in it

[strong forum]

Sounds reasonable

[novel ruin]

One of our hunters was getting one shot by last boss so she had to hearth out and regear

[onyx vessel]

I did a 18 wcm

[strong forum]

I'll never touch anything higher than a 23 anymore tbh, I'm fucking done with beefya

[brittle owl]

lol imagine doing keys

[sweet summit]

Beefay

Seabeeay

[novel ruin]

Both of our hunters died eventually so DH, holy Pally and I finished the boss from 40%

[strong forum]

Also yeah, imagine still doing keys

[novel ruin]

I need that 5k io

Then I’m done

[brittle owl]

soon it's time to just complain at blizz about beta

[onyx vessel]

I see my guilds hunter die all the time

[strong forum]

Yaaas

[novel ruin]

Raid testing been hella fun

[sweet summit]

Buff war nerf rogue

[brittle owl]

at least that's productive

[onyx vessel]

Rogue got buffed

Prot got bent over

[brittle owl]

honestly

who cares about rogues

[novel ruin]

I won’t ever play a class that can’t tank again

[brittle owl]

rogue brain like dis .

[civic rover]

prot looks fine

[brittle owl]

other class brain like dis O

[onyx vessel]

Maelkenars brain like dis ..

[strong forum]

No it's like this

uwu

[brittle owl]

^

madjay u sound like rogue main

[novel ruin]

One of the Prot specs on beta aren’t fun to play right now

[onyx vessel]

Nope only warrior

[sick sentinel]

rogue main is or at least was a pretty good life

[brittle owl]

that is tru

and sad

sword n shield classes should be bis

[novel ruin]

No

[brittle owl]

bcs SnS is superior to everything

[ionic fern]

Yes.

[novel ruin]

Spear and shield classes should be BiS

[brittle owl]

yes

no

gtfo with pokey stick

[onyx vessel]

Sadly its still gonna be monk

[brittle owl]

just be better than the competition kek

[civic rover]

for raids maybe

[novel ruin]

Prob be blood DK

[brittle owl]

even in raids

[civic rover]

paladin and dk are looking pretty good though

[novel ruin]

And Prot Paladin is nuts on some raid fights right now

[brittle owl]

you don't care about class outside of top 20 anyway

[novel ruin]

I care about class

[brittle owl]

insofar as tanks anyway

[novel ruin]

And what’s fun

[brittle owl]

same

SnS baby

[novel ruin]

It’s not fun not getting picked from the group

[onyx vessel]

I like that the havoc dhs got slapped down

[novel ruin]

Or getting benched

[brittle owl]

[novel ruin]

Warrior on beta has too many buttons now

[brittle owl]

clap your way out of the bench

or deus vult your way

both work

[novel ruin]

I want to try raid tanking one tier

But the guild that is trying to poach me said I could come as 3rd tank

[onyx vessel]

Hard to get a spot

[novel ruin]

Cuz I don’t have any tank logs

[brittle owl]

this is the best time to join a guild as a tank

ah rip

[civic rover]

i only have my spot because i've known my cotank since like wod

[onyx vessel]

I swiped the 3rd tank slot but im best dps somehow as fury

[brittle owl]

best bet would be to join as 3rd tank and assert dominance

[onyx vessel]

[novel ruin]

But I’m slowly working on it cuz their best healer is my healer for keys

[brittle owl]

just tell them the other two tanks brain like dis .

[novel ruin]

And if I can get 4kio with mostly pugging, ya bet I can raid tank successfully xD

[onyx vessel]

Meshing with other tank is my problem

[brittle owl]

and your brain like dis O

[novel ruin]

The two main tanks are the guild master and RL

[civic rover]

raid tanking isn't so hard you'll probably pick it up quick

[brittle owl]

so

[onyx vessel]

Oof

[novel ruin]

So ima come in and assert dominance

Cuz I’m better

[brittle owl]

yes

[civic rover]

i mean worst case scenario you tank the farm bosses

[novel ruin]

Gross, farm

[brittle owl]

farm is cool

if it isnt ykno

[novel ruin]

Once I have gear from a boss, I never want to do it again

[brittle owl]

8.3

otherwise parsing is fun times

[novel ruin]

Parsing is only fun if you have the same gear

And 8.3 parsing has sucked

[brittle owl]

8.3 is terribad

[civic rover]

parsing is fun when it isnt decided by how many procs i get

[brittle owl]

yep

[onyx vessel]

More babies crying about corruption

[brittle owl]

i aint crying shit

just calling it a retarded system

[novel ruin]

Oh great, my cloak procced during my CD window, let’s do 5k more damage

[brittle owl]

grey parsers are suddenly parsing orange now

thinking they're hot shit

[novel ruin]

Dude, it’s true

[brittle owl]

cuz they got lucky

[civic rover]

you were crying about warrior not being fotm in SL when we've been fotm for like half of bfa

lol

[onyx vessel]

Yeah i see that

Then the find floor

[novel ruin]

Warrior is only fotm for M+ as a tank

[brittle owl]

i mean, it's not bad in raid either

then again

[onyx vessel]

I like when someone outdpses me

30% is

[brittle owl]

tank choice in raid outside of nzoth is a meme

[onyx vessel]

[novel ruin]

At this point, yeah

[civic rover]

tank choice in raid this late in the tier doesn't matter at all

[brittle owl]

even early

nzoth was the only one that favored having a monk

[novel ruin]

I mean most competitive players are going to choose what’s best and fun

[brittle owl]

rest just didnt't matter

[novel ruin]

Warrior tanking is prob really boring in raid

[civic rover]

and even in M+, every tank spec has timed a 28.

[brittle owl]

nah prot is p fun in nyalotha

alot of the bosses have add phases that line nicely with avatar

big clapz

[civic rover]

hivemind

lmao

[onyx vessel]

Lol i doubt that every tank has timed 28

[civic rover]

you can look it up chief

[brittle owl]

hivemind vex raden carrapace

[civic rover]

granted the DK timed a 28 JY, but it's still a 28

[novel ruin]

Prot Paladin has?

[brittle owl]

obv

every tank has

corruption is a helluva equalizer

[onyx vessel]

Non junk

Get back to me

Non junk every tank

[novel ruin]

Doorki is a monster tank though. He is the beargod

[civic rover]

a prot pala has timed a 28 TD

[sweet summit]

doorki is a god

all hail doorki

[civic rover]

there's tomoboar aka doorki who's timed 29s on bear

[novel ruin]

Yes

His Waycrest would be much faster on a warrior

Though

[sweet summit]

all his dungeons probably would tbf

[onyx vessel]

1 person from the non prot warrior for other tanks

[brittle owl]

waycrest and shrine are especially pwarr keys though

moreso than any other one

[onyx vessel]

I wonder why

[sweet summit]

fair

[novel ruin]

Bear does no damage

[brittle owl]

wut

[civic rover]

point is, even in M+ unless you're doing extremely high keys tank choice really doesn't matter

[onyx vessel]

Prot pally does 0 dmg

[split wyvern]

Have you seen Tomboar and Growl ?

[sweet summit]

bear pumps

[brittle owl]

bear fucking pumps

[novel ruin]

He would pump harder as Prot warrior

20-30k more

Especially ST

[onyx vessel]

True

[sweet summit]

i love growl, growl is very cool

[novel ruin]

Growl carries that dps load so hard

[onyx vessel]

Threat issues for other tanks

[split wyvern]

Xan play what you enjoy or you’re chasing the unicorn everyone else does to be the “best” unless you pushing too 100 it doesn’t matter. Be a master of 1 tank vs master of non, but the choice is yours at the end of the day dude

[novel ruin]

Sure

If Prot warrior was still the best tank but wasn’t fun to play I wouldn’t be playing it

[split wyvern]

100%

[novel ruin]

But if all the tanks are roughly equal in terms of enjoyment, I’m going to play the best one

Especially if a dps/healer spec is really good too

[split wyvern]

So you’re a Druid secretly lol

[onyx vessel]

Kekw

[novel ruin]

A 90% parse is worth more on FOTM than a 90% parse on a survival or feral Druid

[split wyvern]

To who ?

[ionic fern]

In the grand picture.

FOTM = more players so 90% means "more".

[split wyvern]

Ok

[ionic fern]

Otherwise you're competing like against 2 other survival hunters.

[split wyvern]

I get that

[sweet summit]

i kinda disagree

[stark sage]

its easier to parse closer to 50% as a popular class, an unpopular class its easier to parse at the extremes

just due to how the math works out

[novel ruin]

At the same time if you are steady 90% parser on any class, you probably are a player who can play any spec and parse well above average

[stark sage]

that just depends on the parsing environment

if there's a lot of pad, then you have to pad to parse
or if its late in a tier, you kinda need a good kill time to parse
etc

[novel ruin]

Yeah you need to realize those

But 90% parsers realize that stuff

[stark sage]

you can be a 95% parser in progress, but not be able to parse super high late in a tier because you dont pad

[split wyvern]

My point was are you trying to prove something to yourself with the parses or build logs to get into a guild, or trying to just be #1 I understand the parse tanking and all that.

[brittle owl]

outside of 8.3

getting orange parses as a tank just means you are doing your rotation correctly

:)

[ionic fern]

Nope

Means you got TD.

[still pagoda]

this patch it just means you've got all the good procs

[brittle owl]

i feel like

[sweet summit]

outside of 8.3

[onyx vessel]

I get like 80s without td

[brittle owl]

you arent even reading mwahi

[novel ruin]

8.3 is a horrible parse

[brittle owl]

:(

[onyx vessel]

[ionic fern]

Im not tbh

I'm playing another game.

😂

[still pagoda]

😳

[brittle owl]

that's why you're bald

[ionic fern]

Jep.

[brittle owl]

tbh

[split wyvern]

God of war ?

[onyx vessel]

Oof

Who isnt playing other games right now tho

[brittle owl]

[ionic fern]

Nah, re-playing Bioshocks.

[novel ruin]

Especially this week

[split wyvern]

I wish I was

[onyx vessel]

12 on friday for na

[split wyvern]

What are you playing bioshock on ?

[onyx vessel]

I aint got time to play with oce ppl

[ionic fern]

PC.

[split wyvern]

Nice

[brittle owl]

ah yes

the only platform

[ionic fern]

👍

[brittle owl]

the sword and shield of gaming mediums

[onyx vessel]

Consoles are a dying breed

[ionic fern]

I do have a console as well but it's mostly used as a media platform.

👀

[leaden dune]

How important is sheild

[brittle owl]

consoles are a failed experiment to fry the brains of youth

[leaden dune]

Mines ilvl 400 and been having no luck all day

[brittle owl]

very

most important slot in your gear

to get high ilvl on

[leaden dune]

Really

[onyx vessel]

2nd is weapon

[ionic fern]

"all day"?
I was trying to get a decent shield for a month.

😒

[brittle owl]

most impactful anyway

[leaden dune]

Thankyou

[onyx vessel]

Early in bfa it was defo a pain

To get a shield

[brittle owl]

yeah true but like

that was 2 years ago fam

[onyx vessel]

Hmm time flys

[brittle owl]

time's a wastin

[onyx vessel]

Next month 2yrs isnt it

[brittle owl]

[onyx vessel]

Spam m+ till you get a shield

Or do normal nya

[ancient reef]

think also conq gets you a shield choice

[brittle owl]

or buy a 475 off the ah

ez

p2w patch anyway

[sweet summit]

yep

[onyx vessel]

Its what my guilds mt did for his prot pally and warrior both off differant servers

[brittle owl]

lmao

[onyx vessel]

Then bought long boi after

🤔

[gilded zodiac]

hi 🙂 as a new beginner for tanking can i hold Shield Block up 100% or how do i use it best? 🙂

[sweet summit]

you cant get 100% uptime, unfortunately

do your best to keep it, or last stand up when youre taking blockable damage

last stand, with bolster talented, works like shield block as in it gives 100% block chance

[gilded zodiac]

how do i know if its blockable damage ? 🙂

[sweet summit]

#268491842637660160 has a sheet. most if not all auto attacks are blockable. physical damage in general is more often than not blockable

[gilded zodiac]

can u recommend a yotupe guide? 🙂

and thank you so much 🙂

[sweet summit]

uhhh

@ionic fern can u make a yt guide for SL :)

[onyx vessel]

[ionic fern]

👀

[onyx vessel]

Watch nerfclaps videos

Or w.e his name is

[sweet summit]

nerftank i think

[onyx vessel]

Close enough

[strong forum]

Nerfgun

[sweet summit]

its nerf or nothing

[onyx vessel]

Nerftank is prob right

[strong forum]

Nerf rogue buff war

[onyx vessel]

Dont think there is a good youtube guide on prot warrior

Ik theres some

[chilly brook]

I think my 8.0 one was good

😜

[sweet summit]

i think so too

but its outdated

new guide when

[chilly brook]

Uhhhh

[onyx vessel]

9.0

[chilly brook]

Lemme go buy some milk and cigarettes I'll let you know when I get back

[sweet summit]

uhoh

[onyx vessel]

Bad

[chilly brook]

On a serious note I could but I dont main it anymore and I also think it's a little late in the patch

[onyx vessel]

Id bet you a rogue main

[sweet summit]

dh 👀

[onyx vessel]

Gross

[chilly brook]

TD go brrrrrr

[civic rover]

i don't think we can shit on other peoples mains right now lol

[onyx vessel]

I do what i want

[chilly brook]

I was thinking of getting my warrior caught up

[onyx vessel]

[chilly brook]

But I don't feel like grinding visions

[onyx vessel]

My guildie did 20 visions in 1 day

Ive done 7 5 masks in 1 day

[chilly brook]

That's insanity

[onyx vessel]

He had 40 vessals

[main vault]

greyhoud knocked out almost 40 one day

[onyx vessel]

Did em all in 3 days

[main vault]

I think he ended up doing 37

In one day

[onyx vessel]

0 masks for most of em

37 5 mask runs all loot would be more insane

[sweet summit]

how

[main vault]

I think his were all 5 masks

Or at least some of them

He ended up with tons of mementos

[onyx vessel]

A 5 mask speedran can be done very quick tho

My best is 18 mins all item 0 orbs used or cheat

Ez clap as fury

[chilly brook]

That's literally doing too much

I also do my visions in tank spec because why not

So that's probably why

[pastel crown]

Do you guys have an idea how strong earthen barrier is against volatile eruption on mythic hivemind?

[onyx vessel]

As a dh or stealth class i could see sub 10 on a 5 mask

Easy

[pastel crown]

I’m looking over my guilds logs and seeing we’re taking much more damage compared to other guilds logs

I’m ignoring the folks who are standing in roly poly acid too

[chilly brook]

Earthen barrier is that the totem?

[pastel crown]

Yeah

[chilly brook]

Not great against a large burst

[onyx vessel]

My guild does rally+dark

Then rally+ barrier

[pastel crown]

Which class does barrier?

[chilly brook]

It's really just a smoother for consistent damage

[onyx vessel]

Disc priest

[pastel crown]

Ahhh, ya we don’t have one of those

[onyx vessel]

Then the mw monk revivals

Everyone is prob topped

Ez clap

[pastel crown]

Yeah we do have one of those.

He was having to use it because our interrupt team derped mind numbing poison like every pull

[onyx vessel]

Revival is for after

Roast the range team into doing it

Like my gm and rl did

[pastel crown]

We have shamans

Yeah that’s what I think makes most sense.

I’m gonna see if I can switch to Kazir

[onyx vessel]

We have prot pally

[pastel crown]

I was on tekris

[chilly brook]

The tank and a designated melee should be the interrupt team with ranged being backup imo

[pastel crown]

But if I’m on kazir I have more freedom to clap stuff in split phase

[onyx vessel]

His job to call when he cant get but often he doesnt

[chilly brook]

[wooden radish]

@ionic fern @warm plinth @ancient dew

[lofty widget]

is a root considered a loss of control effect?

[wooden radish]

it is not

[sweet summit]

yes

well

for CnS major yes

[lofty widget]

i mean, would cns major remove holy ward from a priest?

[sweet summit]

your root procs it

oh, no

[still pagoda]

@wooden radish ohhh

that's cuuuute

[summer lotus]

you guys use elvui?

[novel ruin]

I don’t

[sweet summit]

i do

[summer lotus]

does it show absorbs for you when on full health?

[sweet summit]

no

[still pagoda]

i do

it doesn't

[summer lotus]

fk, cause I remember having it that way, but then after update its gone, and I cant find where the fk would the setting be for that

[fierce bobcat]

is void twisted kinda crap cuz as tank we lose the shield fast so barely any crit bonus?

just got a socketed one so i want it to be good lol

[sweet summit]

yes its very bad

[fierce bobcat]

gah that's what i was afraid of

[main vault]

its 50g though

So theres that

[sweet summit]

or one expulsom pog

[fierce bobcat]

is it ok for fury cuz they don't take much dmg so the crit is fully utilized?

[main vault]

It isnt good for any spec afaik

Of any class

[fierce bobcat]

sigh inc explusoms!

my only alternative atm is the pvp one with same base vers and on use like 3500 STR so not great but I guess stacking with avatar/demo it's a decent dmg boost until i can get vita

[main vault]

yeah you want another trinket asap

[fierce bobcat]

i have humming as main one, so i want something like humming + vita as a good final combo right?

[main vault]

well you wont have a final combo

Itll depend on content

Humming is good, Rezans, Vita, couple others

And LPS for defense

[coral marsh]

any tips to tank wrathion third hit?

[brittle owl]

shield wall

why would you tank 3rd hit?

[coral marsh]

monk wants me to swap at 3

for less moving

[brittle owl]

what moving 👀

[coral marsh]

frim side to head

[brittle owl]

just stand on either side of him

raid stands center

and you just taunt and never move

[toxic remnant]

Type in chat "Just roll lmao"

[brittle owl]

also that ^

he has an easier time resetting his stacks anyway with roll/tiger's lust

tanking third hit is a very subpar way of minimizing damage

movement*

[still pagoda]

^

[brittle owl]

what is type

[still pagoda]

Type in chat "Just TIGER'S LUST lmao"*

@toxic remnant fixed it for ya :D

[coral marsh]

it feels like tank war is so trash in raids

[still pagoda]

it feels like tank war is so trash in raids

Oh, fuck off

[coral marsh]

cause dps doesnt matter

[still pagoda]

it's good

[brittle owl]

👀

[main vault]

tell your healers they are fucking stupid

[still pagoda]

smooth and good

just rotate your CD's and you'll be fine

[brittle owl]

warr is plenty fine in raid

[coral marsh]

ye sure and die when i dont have shieldwall on third hit while the monk just staggers

[still pagoda]

man

wrathion is not really hard-hitting

i once took 4 stacks on mythic ilgy

[coral marsh]

nothing is if you overgear

[strong forum]

what do you mean 3rd hit

you swap on 2

[still pagoda]

just space your CD's appropriately and react or ask for externals. It is not gear, it is your own fucking mistakes that kill you

[coral marsh]

monk wants at 3 to flex

[strong forum]

so hes just being stupid

[still pagoda]

tanking is really different from DPS

[strong forum]

for no reason

got it

[still pagoda]

and yeah

[summer lotus]

so why not just let him take 3, and you take 2

[still pagoda]

your monk is stupid

[strong forum]

nobody gains anything by having the tanks take 3 stacks instead of being an asshole

[summer lotus]

if he wants to flex

[strong forum]

and forcing the healers to heal unnecessarily much

[toxic remnant]

Take 4 stacks to flex harder

[still pagoda]

don't flex, kill the boss fast and go on

[brittle owl]

this is a very

smooth brain discussion

[strong forum]

also imagine flexing on the 1st boss of a raid tier thats over for 6 months

[still pagoda]

don't waste time of your raid

[strong forum]

lmao

[still pagoda]

@brittle owl

Typical of people who say that prot warr is trash in raids

🙃

[main vault]

So I really really don’t wanna be mean

But maybe this is why you guys are still doing Wrathion?

[inland silo]

at the start it more sounded like the monk didnt know you dont have to move to tank swap

[still pagoda]

and it still sounds so

also

[novel ruin]

How does Vers DR work with ability DRs? Is it multiplicative off of one another? So 40% Dr off of vers X 40% Shield Wall?

[inland silo]

but shouldnt really matter either because prot and brew both have very easy ways to drop stacks

[still pagoda]

Tiger's Lust: Am i a joke to you?

[brittle owl]

why 👏 move 👏

[main vault]

Its all multiplicative

[still pagoda]

why 👏 move 👏 [2]

[strong forum]

all DRs are multiplicative

[still pagoda]

^

[main vault]

So none of your defensives are truly "full value"

[still pagoda]

just layered differently

[novel ruin]

Multiplicative at the same point in the equation?

[main vault]

It just tosses in another * x

yeah its all one equation

[strong forum]

i mean, it doesnt matter at which point it multiplies

[main vault]

with equations inside equations for armor and etc

[strong forum]

cuz ykno, math

[still pagoda]

@coral marsh tell your monk to shut up about 3 stacks idiocy and spec into this. And don't moan that "prot warrior is trash in raids"

that sounded even worse

[novel ruin]

What’s the equation look like?

[still pagoda]

if you don't know how to play the class, struggling with something or just have specific questions

ask here freely :D

[strong forum]

the only thing that you can blame to be trash inside a raid is the player

🙂

[still pagoda]

people will help

the only thing that you can blame to be trash inside a raid is the player [2]

[novel ruin]

And all the raid trash

[main vault]

it looks like dr1 * dr2 * dr3 * dr4 and etc

[wooden radish]

i ask @ionic fern questions all the time and i don't get any help 😦

[still pagoda]

because it's Mwahi

[main vault]

with block, armor, defensives and etc slotting into each dr slot

[strong forum]

let a man enjoy his vacation!

[still pagoda]

"Wake me when Shadowlands comes"

let a man enjoy his hibernation

[novel ruin]

Thank you. Didn’t know if there were () anywhere that changed it up

Yeah, Mwahi prob gonna do a ton of work come pre-patch

[main vault]

Well there is kinda

like dr1 is generally armor

which has its own () for armor equation

And then block for war

and etc etc

[strong forum]

armor best stat confirmed cuz its first?!?!

[main vault]

I just put it first since all tanks use it

lol

[brittle owl]

armor is bis stat

wdym

[still pagoda]

armor is bis stat
wdym [2]

[steep wraith]

Worst stat, cos it reduces the effectiveness of all the rest of your DR. Less armor you have the more shield wall does. /s

[still pagoda]

such DR

so comfy

body pillow suit

[novel ruin]

Just run vers and never press shield wall

[main vault]

Like you have Final Damage = Raw Damage * (1 – Boss Armor / (Boss Armor + K)) which final damage would be DR1

then dr2 would be Block Reduction = Block Amount / (Block Amount + K) for block

So AMR example is

Final Damage = 100,000 * (1 – 0.3) * (1 – 0.4) = 42,000

for 30% armor and 40% block

Then that final damage is * x again for any defensive you use

[warm plinth]

You’re an x again for any defensive you use

[main vault]

you arent wrong

I suck at tanking, can only math

[strong forum]

which means, always attack

[warm plinth]

I still love you Nexii

[novel ruin]

That final damage is * X vers and abilities calculated then?

[main vault]

yes

it would look like 100,000 * (1 – 0.3) * (1 – 0.4) * (1 - 0.2) for 40% vers and so on

[novel ruin]

Okay

Thank you

I can play the game, I can’t math hard

[main vault]

then 100,000 * (1 – 0.3) * (1 – 0.4) * (1 - 0.2) * (1 - 0.4) if you used SW for instance

and it just keeps carrying on

[strong forum]

(sw is 40%)

[novel ruin]

Why the 0.5?

[strong forum]

cough

[novel ruin]

Isn’t it 0.4?

Lol

[main vault]

Sorry was thinking SI since Im bear main

But you get the idea

[novel ruin]

Ooo fancy

But yeah, thanks for the explanation

Has this ever changed from expansion to expansion?

[main vault]

Only the equations for armor and block or etc

[strong forum]

and adding vers isnt really a change in the equation more an addition to everything

[main vault]

yeah its just another variable

[novel ruin]

Makes sense

Is there a stat (armor, block, etc) that is the best to gain to mitigate the most amount of damage per point?

It’s probably different for different specs I would think

[main vault]

Technically yes

But then you get into the sim world, since they act exactly like dps stat weights

And you cant math that without extensive work

[novel ruin]

But probably such a minuscule thing it doesn’t really matter since ilvl is king

[strong forum]

i would say no, since effectively Armor for example gets effectively better the more you have it

[main vault]

Idk that it gets better

But it stays linear

Vers gets getter

[novel ruin]

So why do we care about simming for dps and not taking the time to sim for defensive value?

[strong forum]

too many variables

[main vault]

Because simming for defensive means you have to put in custom healers teams, custom fight timings, etc

[novel ruin]

Ahh true

Why simming for dungeons is bleh

[strong forum]

yup

[main vault]

Armor EHP

And Vers

[novel ruin]

Why is vers exponential?

[main vault]

Because you always get 1% per 85

Armor has DR from % amount gained, but linear in EHP

[distant crystal]

armor has a built in DR to keep it from scaling exponentially

[main vault]

1% Vers at 0% is 1% gain, at 50% it’s 2%

[distant crystal]

vers lacks that

[stark sage]

@main vault is right

[strong forum]

otherwise bears would be immortal

[novel ruin]

Ahh

[main vault]

Yeah

[strong forum]

with their 85k+ armor

[stark sage]

also DR from armor caps at 85% iirc, and verse doesnt

[main vault]

Like at 50% Vers, you are reducing only 50% of a hit by 1% additional

[strong forum]

ya

vers cap is 99%DR

[main vault]

Which is 2% value

So it actually gets stronger the more you have

[novel ruin]

That sentence hurts my brain

Like at 50% Vers, you are reducing only 50% of a hit by 1% additional
@main vault

[main vault]

It’s pretty simple tbh

Ok you have 0 Vers

[novel ruin]

Isn’t 50% vers 25% dr?

[strong forum]

purely talking DR here

[novel ruin]

Ahh, kk

[main vault]

From 0-1% is 1% reduction

[distant crystal]

1% more vers from 50% vers dr = 2% dr

[main vault]

From 50-51% is 2%

[distant crystal]

1% more vers from 75% vers dr = 4% dr

[novel ruin]

Okay that makes sense

[distant crystal]

1% more vers from 98% vers dr = 50% DR

[toxic gyro]

Armor only reduces physical dmg while vers works on magic too

[coral marsh]

pl we killed wrath mythic