protection

[sweet summit]

IT1 is also great to have two of

[static wagon]

I have IT2

[sweet summit]

Thats not great

[static wagon]

I have a bunch of random shit tbh sicne it's offspec w/ a few reused pieces

I'm at 0 corruption after resist

a lot of room for improvement

versatile 3, sever 2, Avoidant 2 or 3, etc lmao

[sweet summit]

Oof

[static wagon]

very offspec

just now starting on it

[sweet summit]

[still pagoda]

just buy TD when it comes back

a lot of it

Next TD2 is on August 22nd for EU

and TD3 is this Saturday

[woven trellis]

can someone explain to me why aegis of the deep isnt that good

it seems HUGE

i mean 400 versatility in front of 5 mobs and 800 on biger pull

and then its doubled under 35% life

i rly want to understand why its not that good

[still pagoda]

you don't pull 5+ mobs all the time

[woven trellis]

except for bosses, when i pull 5+ i really want more to be more defensive

tho

i mean, i play crit haste mostly and i only have 800 versa base

on bigger pack, it doubles my versatility

[still pagoda]

when i pull 10+ in 21's i don't care since i have my CD's and stuff available

[woven trellis]

i got the worst ring from my pvp chest, Crit Master ilvl 455

but it has td3 on it

xD

im considering taking out aegis of the deep to put warden for it

but im so scared to take a lot more damage without aegis

[still pagoda]

but im so scared to take a lot more damage without aegis

You won't

just drop aegis, take CnS minor and go on

aegis is nowhere good unless you're really into vers stacking

[woven trellis]

i got advised to take CnS major actually

[still pagoda]

if you are scared to take "a lot more" without aegis when you're not vers stacking, stop

i got advised to take CnS major actually

Only if you're vers stacking

[main vault]

Idk Turmoil is always thought it weird to

Like Bear and most other tanks love Aegis

It is huge

[woven trellis]

i guess because of shield block

its less impacting for us

[still pagoda]

you're just already too tanky

if you're struggling, it's on you

[woven trellis]

im not vers stacking and im doing 19s right now, i only have 57 corru resistance

so mistakes start to be really punishing

[main vault]

Yeah but Bear is super tanky too

[woven trellis]

thats why its a tricky place for me

[still pagoda]

19's are not really punishing

it is usually DPS who die in there

not the tank

[woven trellis]

its truew

tho

xD

but it happens to me as well

[still pagoda]

[woven trellis]

it doesnt happen so often but when i lose my SB uptime

with no versatile

shit gets nasty

[chilly brook]

@woven trellis you're a prot warrior doing 19s

[still pagoda]

https://www.wowhead.com/news=317133/persistent-collection-system-coming-to-shadowlands-conduits?webhook

[chilly brook]

I'm doing 19s without stacking vers on my DH with no problem

[woven trellis]

well its not the same mitigation tho

[chilly brook]

No yours is better

[woven trellis]

i didnt say 19s hurt when ure doin no mistake

i say when i do mistake

[chilly brook]

Don't make mistakes 4head

[still pagoda]

DH's mitigation is much worse compared to prot warr

Don't make mistakes 4head [2]

[woven trellis]

have you heard about the learning process

[chilly brook]

I have

[main vault]

There is nothing wrong with taking Vers in lower keys if your skill level isn’t as high as others and you are struggling

[woven trellis]

because you dont learn to do stuff just because you decide

it takes time

[chilly brook]

And prot warrior isn't that difficult tbh

You shouldn't be anywhere close to needing vers

[woven trellis]

its not but i got back in the game 3 weeks ago

i play with pugs

i do mistakes

them too

[main vault]

There is no set key level to run Vers, everyone needs it at a different time

[woven trellis]

i just want to have an intelligent build

not an ego oriented build which is killing us at the firt small mistake

[main vault]

If you need the Vers and it works for you, run the Vers

You should still look to improve as well while you learn

[woven trellis]

i just need to know how impacting is the vers runned by aegis of the deep when im losin SB uptime on a pack of 5+

[brittle owl]

that last part isn't really solved by vers

even with a vers build

if you drop SB kn a pack and stay there

u ded

[woven trellis]

the fact that i want to be less punished to help my group time keys as nothing to do with my learning curve, its not because i dont die from soaking that i dont understand that i would have in a higher key and that i should improve this mechanic

[chilly brook]

Not impactful enough.....

[main vault]

It’s only like 4.75% Vers on 5 I think

It isn’t much

[chilly brook]

Like I said

Dont make mistakes

[woven trellis]

this is an obvious information which help nobody

tho

[chilly brook]

Or just correct them

I guess you can say its obvious information and yet you have a bunch of people investing a ton of time and effort into vers stacking in sub 20 keys when they could just try to fix what the problems are because those same problems are going to get them killed in 20 keys even with vers

[woven trellis]

other question, why would you advice CnS major only to vers build, if im weaker, i would have guess its really helpful to be able to slowly kite back groups thanks to cns

[chilly brook]

You shouldn't need to kite?

[main vault]

You’d get more value out of VoP as you are learning

Or even learning Lucid

[woven trellis]

come on, kiting back a bit is very helpful, u take less damage, healer can dps more, u can still TC and TD

im not arguing because i think im right im arguing because im not sure i get the best picture of why people do that, not because i think theyre wrong

its still fresh too me, and i just want to understand fully th picture instead of just doin what other ppl do

[raven knoll]

whats better btw 475 scale or 460 vita?

[chilly brook]

You really shouldn't need to kite

You already shouldn't be taking a huge amount of damage

[woven trellis]

when i say kite, maybe i dont have the right word in english

i just mean walking slowly back

[main vault]

Generally it’s advised since that is one of the reason they take CnS, for the Vers

[woven trellis]

to make move hit less

mobs

[chilly brook]

Again

You shouldn't need to

[brittle owl]

👀

[novel ruin]

@raven knoll Vita

but run both and profit

[woven trellis]

atm the only choice i have to put my TD3 ring is to take away one of my IT1s

should i do it

[brittle owl]

you'll get a better return on your investment if you spend some more time understanding damage profiles and how the spec functions in depth

[chilly brook]

IT1 is just a filler

[novel ruin]

@woven trellis Record yourself doing a run, send it to me

[brittle owl]

you can do that by either reading

or ezperimenting

failing > correcting so on and so forth

[woven trellis]

do warcraftlogs runs are good enough

?

[chilly brook]

TD3 would be more valuable imo

[brittle owl]

stacking vers will make your mistakes less visible

so itll be harder to improve

[novel ruin]

I prefer video but sure, a log of a run will help too

[brittle owl]

i should say stacking vers too early*

[novel ruin]

Yes, stacking vers too early does cover up mistakes but what is more important is that you probably dont realize what or when you are making mistakes

[brittle owl]

yeah pmuch

[novel ruin]

So the vers is a double-edged sword

[raven knoll]

@novel ruin so if i want a bit of dps increase and survivabilty i take vita + nzoth? and if i want more haste/dmg i take vita+scale right?

[novel ruin]

@raven knoll I dont use Nzoth trinket in 25 keys

[raven knoll]

can you explain why?

[novel ruin]

Cuz i dont have it ROFL

[raven knoll]

legit? 😄

[novel ruin]

but also because if you arent using it every 60-90 seconds you lose a ton of value

[raven knoll]

so youre just going scale vita?

and is your vita 475?

[novel ruin]

no, im vita / alch

[raven knoll]

is your vita 460?

[novel ruin]

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/proudmoore/Xanthose

[chilly brook]

I'm not trying to be a dick btw

[raven knoll]

ah i see

[novel ruin]

But 460 vita is better than 475 scale

but scale is 2nd BiS

[chilly brook]

But like they stated vers doesn't really help you in lower keys because the mistakes you're making are going to continue to be problems if they're not addressed

[novel ruin]

^ and vers makes the mistakes harder to see

[woven trellis]

if it makes the mistakes harder to see, it means its useful to not die tho

[novel ruin]

no

because you do not understand when or why you are making mistakes

[chilly brook]

The stuff that's gonna kill you is probably gonna kill you regardless of vers

I.e. missing water blasts

[woven trellis]

so if the stuff is going to kill me regardless, how is it going to hide my mistake

i dont understand this point

[novel ruin]

With or without vers, you shouldnt die in 19s

if you are

you are making mistakes

[chilly brook]

Vers can only cover so much is what I'm getting at

[woven trellis]

it doesnt answer the question tho

if the stuff is going to kill me regardless, how is it going to hide my mistake

[chilly brook]

There are certain mechanics in dungeons that will kill you vers or no vers

[brittle owl]

it wont kill you in the 15-20 range for instance, but that just means you'll be inclined to ignore it until it does

[chilly brook]

Vers might help cover up shield block gaps due to bad coverage but it wont save you from water blasts

Theres your answer

[brittle owl]

so you'll have to learn that later, for example, in an environment where 1 mistake can cost you the key

[novel ruin]

I mean, it does

40-50% DR on water blasts is pretty big

[brittle owl]

as opposed to understanding the danger/mechanic in an environment where the mistake won't punish you as hard

[chilly brook]

That's assuming you have the vers ramps for it @novel ruin

[novel ruin]

When vers is brought up i am inclined to believe we are talking about full vers

[brittle owl]

that just makes it worse tho. rng surviving something means that you'll 100% miss what just happened

[novel ruin]

that just makes it worse tho. rng surviving something means that you'll 100% miss what just happened
@brittle owl

THIS RIGHT HERE

which means you are limiting your growth

Every time you die, you should know WHY

Every time you do a difficult pull with Vers and dont die, you potentially wont understand what went wrong and what was doing the damage, thus limiting growth

[chilly brook]

He's not full vers tho

@pastel crown 800 isn't 56%

[novel ruin]

yeah, thats less than 10%

[pastel crown]

I looked at Xanthos

My bad

[novel ruin]

xD

[pastel crown]

I deleted my stuff

[chilly brook]

So we back to the "vers isn't gonna save your ass" square

[pastel crown]

Was hoping no one noticed lol

[chilly brook]

Nah you gucci

[brittle owl]

why the phuck are there two griffs now

[chilly brook]

Theres always been two griffs on this server

People tagged the wrong one all the time when they were responding to me

[brittle owl]

mustve missed that

[sick sentinel]

how degenerate is it to build a prot warrior with all mastery corrups?

[novel ruin]

arguably the worst way to do so

[sick sentinel]

just for memes. Shield go brrrrrrrr

lol 10-4

[novel ruin]

for memes sure

use lucid

[still pagoda]

absolute degeneracy

[main vault]

Shield can’t go brrrrr

[pastel crown]

Well it seems overkill tbh. If you’re running triple bastion your already pretty close to 100% critics block.

[still pagoda]

BoM already gives you enough

to get near 100%

[novel ruin]

^

[sick sentinel]

❤️ you guys lol

[pastel crown]

Maybe 1, 12% and your at like 95% critical block.

[sick sentinel]

not a serious question just curious about what itd be like

[novel ruin]

if trying to be memey

i would go 5x expedient and 4x IT1

[sick sentinel]

so what i heard is "prot discord says mastery is a dead stat" 😛 is that correct

ooooo

I might actually try that

[brittle owl]

that is a very low hanging meme

[novel ruin]

mastery is a dead stat cuz of BoM

[brittle owl]

just stack leech corrupts lmao

the real prot meme

the hps pwarr

[novel ruin]

bruh

i want leech

[potent anvil]

250% mastery makes it so you have 100% block. Never use shield block, ez.

[brittle owl]

also this^

mastery meme pwarr is a good meme

[pastel crown]

I don’t think that’s right

[main vault]

You can not think it is all you want

[pastel crown]

It makes your blocks 100% critical block but it doesn’t increase your chance to block.

Maybe I’m wrong

[potent anvil]

It increases your passive block chance.

[sick sentinel]

so what i hear

is HPS warrior is back

YEAH BABY

[main vault]

Damn, not knowing basic Prot stats

[novel ruin]

it never went away

some dungeons i do more HPS than my holy pally

[brittle owl]

you must be really fun at parties xanthos smh

[novel ruin]

we are wow players, who tf goes outside?

[brittle owl]

that

is true

[sick sentinel]

you can join my m+ party

lol

there are no girls

[novel ruin]

ive gained 16 pounds due to quarantine

[brittle owl]

i've actually gotten back in shape

i think just raidlogging for 3 months helped as welll

[novel ruin]

i became lazy

no sport, no gym, stuffing my face

[raven knoll]

@novel ruin your gear is insane btw

[sweet summit]

thanks

[novel ruin]

@raven knoll im missing 4 sockets cuz i cant be bothered to step back into a vision. I didnt do assaults nor visions last week

[pastel crown]

Yeah, I stand corrected. I never thought too much about that passive block chance increase.

I just looked at the critical block as the thing that helped more

And then try to manage shield block last stand cycles

[sick sentinel]

I still have a 430 shield so im garbage. can I borrow 100k for that boe?

lol actually suprise honest question

how important is shield ilvl?

[novel ruin]

most important piece of gear

[sick sentinel]

thats what i thought.

[still pagoda]

if i will be able to find a push group this week, this shit will finally get at least some use

[novel ruin]

Aegis and Lucid over Sphere minor?

I would go vers chants and gems and go sphere minor

[still pagoda]

Sphere and CnS root... You know what happens

[novel ruin]

yes

[pastel crown]

How useful is avoidance overall for the raid?

[novel ruin]

avoidance is bleh for tanks

[still pagoda]

bleh as a whole

not just in raids

[novel ruin]

avoidance is very good for healers and dps for keys

This is Lucid or VoP major week imo

[raven knoll]

@novel ruin does the whole versa % only work if i have many sockets btw? or are they just a ncie to have?

[still pagoda]

essences are essences

i can change to whatever is needed

but gear... Dunno how it will go

[sweet summit]

imean sockets are insane with stat%s

[novel ruin]

@raven knoll Sockets are great value. 50 stats is pretty big

Its just late in the expansion and 4 sockets will give me 4% vers which isnt going to make or break whether or not i time a 25 key

[raven knoll]

yeah i im just scared that if i put my versa amps on next week onto my like 465/470 versa items i will have like lot less versa then the others

cause i have only one socket xd

[novel ruin]

Going 84% vers amp, a socket gives 50 x 1.84 = 92 vers. 85 vers = 1% stat so 11 sockets is equal to 92 x 11 = 1012 / 85 = 11.9% extra vers

which is just under 6% extra DR

[raven knoll]

that calculation hahaha

but it will still up i guess

with so many sockets

[novel ruin]

Are sockets worth having? Yes. Are they needed? No

[raven knoll]

thanks for that explanation

i thought it would be way more impactful

even tho it still adds up

[novel ruin]

Sockets are prob worth more on DPS than Tanks

[pastel crown]

In my raid last night (were a casual mythic progression) on Maut I only had 2 ineffable truth procs for 6% up time. I have two IET1s slotted right now... that just doesn’t seem worth it to me.

[novel ruin]

On Fury, a socket is worth 600-800 dps for me

@pastel crown IT i believe has a proc rate of 1rppm

So if the fight takes you 3min, you should average out to 3 procs

[pastel crown]

So for our 5 minute pull 2 procs is just unlucky?

[novel ruin]

yes

[pastel crown]

Sweet

[novel ruin]

Maut takes 5min 😮

[pastel crown]

Yeah for our 14% execution guild

It’s a grind lol

[novel ruin]

sounds like it

Is wraithion still a 9-11min fight?

[pastel crown]

I got a 90% damage parse without TD and I think I’m the highest parsing damage player in our raid... but as a tank not great at all

[novel ruin]

90% is really really really really good

[pastel crown]

Our wrathion kill was 8:48

[sweet summit]

damn

[novel ruin]

Our wraithion kill was 3:47 last night 😮

[pastel crown]

I meant I was 90% as prot

Not as a dps spec

[novel ruin]

90% in anything is really really really really good

[sweet summit]

thats more damage than 90% of all other prot warriors that have killed wrathion

[pastel crown]

This was Maut

[sweet summit]

with public logs

[novel ruin]

Vast majority of Mythic Raiders will never hit a 90% parse on any fight

[sweet summit]

well, still

point stands

[civic rover]

someone on reddit tried to tell me that I should go the talent that gives 10% health so I can parse better

[sweet summit]

dont

[pastel crown]

That is good to hear.

[sweet summit]

thats very veyr very wrong

[civic rover]

lol

i know

[sweet summit]

its never worth to go out of your way for more TD damage unless youre doing full tank raids

[strong forum]

just checked #1 tank log. and

[civic rover]

well, so it was some guild that was having issues with their prot tank dying to raden, linked logs, etc, and this guy was like "hey i'm getting 99 parses by doing this"

[strong forum]

im sorry, 10mil TD dmg in 1:48??

WHAT IS THIS GAME

[sweet summit]

just get more procs mate

its not hard xd

haHAA

[pastel crown]

I killed myself once on Maut due to twilight and gave up on it

[strong forum]

just kill him before he can reflect

4head

[sweet summit]

you dont have to attack maut during that phase btw

or attack him and face away from him

🤷‍♀️

[civic rover]

i dont think one TD could kill you

[novel ruin]

a crit could

[sweet summit]

if youre not topped and it crits

sure

[strong forum]

my TD killed me once THROUGH shieldwall

big fun

[pastel crown]

I was taking the debuff and was just over 50% hp

And I hit myself for like 560k

[civic rover]

ok that makes more sense

[strong forum]

and it was in a pieces raid of all things

:kekw:

[civic rover]

andyclap? 😳

[pastel crown]

I have to attack during shield

We’re barely breaking it as it is

[strong forum]

na i took his spot

[pastel crown]

We were doing all sorts of things wrong

People were taking the swirly debuff thing too casually and we figured that out last night and killed him next pull

[brittle owl]

@strong forum
https://streamable.com/v8yjg5

[strong forum]

wow you missed so many @brittle owl unluck

[brittle owl]

still hit psychus with most of em

[strong forum]

fucking kek

[still pagoda]

[warm plinth]

@strong forum What I learned from that screenshot is your DK is slow on his brezzes

[strong forum]

indeed

but maut was below 20%

a couple people sudoku'd

[pastel crown]

Do you guys try to actively go for TD double hits?

[strong forum]

na

[civic rover]

i dont even think about TD tbh

i just face my character towards everything

BRRRRRRRR

[strong forum]

double hits are more a random thing, than something you try to play

cuz you need to insta kite said mob / group really fast

basically you need to be already moving as soon as it procs

its easier on large targets ofc

[chilly brook]

You know what drives me nuts?

You get a proc on nzoth

And it only hits once

Even though his body is huuuge

[strong forum]

not huge enough imo

hes literally madness of deathwing 2.0

anticlimactic as shit

[sweet summit]

fucking KR 28 8 seconds off timer

skyline is insane

holy shit

[mellow patio]

Ez key

:^)

[novel ruin]

Did they have a death?

[sweet summit]

they had a full wipe on zul

but they killed him

like zul died then they died

[novel ruin]

Wow no wipe on Zul, ez timer

[sweet summit]

yeah

but not wiping onzul

is monkaW

[novel ruin]

Yeah

[sweet summit]

they wouldve lived

but the pool spawned ontop of the pally

so he instadied

[warm plinth]

@chilly brook it’s not about the mob size. The beam has to leave their hit box and then re-enter it

Bigger mobs are just easier to move into it again

[chilly brook]

@warm plinth I know I'm just saying its dumb

[warm plinth]

Well go call N’zoth dumb to his face

[chilly brook]

I did

[warm plinth]

Did you kill him?

[chilly brook]

Clapped his cheeks in the hardest difficulty available

L

F

R

[warm plinth]

Good man

[chilly brook]

On a serious note we on cara

First night progging cara and like 40%

[civic rover]

LFR nzoth is actually harder than mythic

[sweet summit]

do i upgrade this 🤔

[novel ruin]

big reing

ring*

[worthy leaf]

My trustworthy tanks, my 50% of all kicks in every dungeon; can you kick bobby howlis stun without destroying his shield?

[sweet summit]

yes

[worthy leaf]

Sick

Bless you

[sweet summit]

😳

[worthy leaf]

Healer main here (obviously)

Just the cast bar or whatever is red implying it cant be kicked

Visual bug?

[stiff oracle]

Id like to think the bug is that you can actually kick without breaking. Not that the bar shows its unkickable.

[dark warren]

is there any good routes resource that i can rely on besides the Dratnos one (with things like which obelisk to skip etc)?

[sweet summit]

its just ther to look pretty

[worthy leaf]

idk 10/10 times it shows as red

[sweet summit]

it does

but

[stiff oracle]

It does

[sweet summit]

its kickable

[stiff oracle]

But its kockable

O

[sweet summit]

COCKABLE

[stiff oracle]

Kickable

[worthy leaf]

Lol

ty

[strong forum]

tfw you play TA6 on your ToS Mythic tmog run (on DH)

and you get 0 procs on avatar 2 times in a row

very fn

[worthy leaf]

Prot warrior tab in the warrior discord is always the most trustworthy place to ask general questions

[autumn pendant]

@sweet summit LEEECH

[left hatch]

its a visual bug because thats how the mechanic is supposed to work

and afaik it does work like on m0

but something mucked up with it in M+ and they never bothered to fix

like everything else about Tol

[sweet summit]

@autumn pendant COCK

[strong forum]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/727269080188452986.png?v=1

[sweet summit]

@strong forum you wiped 😎

[strong forum]

ofc

[limpid pawn]

Ok 25 freehold done

The bird boss and Eudora FUCK

[strong forum]

kinda hot

[sweet summit]

did you die? 😦

[limpid pawn]

I died one time, to a bird vomit plus pistol shot combo

The pistol shot did 600K AFTER all DR

[civic rover]

isn't this the worst second boss week for freehold

[limpid pawn]

Yes

Eudora proceeded to delete everyone many times

[sweet summit]

[limpid pawn]

We did it so we could get a 24 Next week

[sweet summit]

worth af

[autumn pendant]

Wanna again see my haste vers leech legs with socket from Raden?

[sweet summit]

no leech on mine

[autumn pendant]

Non gamer spotted

[sweet summit]

:/

i did pvp today raz

arenas

[distant crystal]

ew versa

[sweet summit]

am vers gamer

[distant crystal]

LEEEEEEECH

[sweet summit]

big vers gamer

👀

[novel ruin]

I only have 3% leech 😦 plz billiard

Blizzard*

@dark warren feel free to either ask here or message me questions about routes.

[woven trellis]

i dont see my corru resistance changing when i switch for warden

any idea why

[sweet summit]

you already have formless void?

[cinder pasture]

^

Stop typing so fast 😦

[woven trellis]

no i dont

[pastel crown]

does thunderclap trigger the major on conflict and strife?

i'm only at rank 2 right now

so i can't go and test it real quick

[sweet summit]

yes, as long as the mob is not slowed for more or same as 30%

are you looking at cloak resistance @woven trellis

[woven trellis]

yeah

im seeing it now, nvm

weird

[pastel crown]

it would be 20% right?

[sweet summit]

what is 20%

[pastel crown]

as long as the mob is not slowed for more or same as 20%

[sweet summit]

no, 30%

TC is 20% slow by itself

[pastel crown]

oh wait a sec, you're getting the thunderstruck talent too

[sweet summit]

im confused

the root is what triggers the double thing

[pastel crown]

yeah, i was thinking about the movement speed debuff

not even thinking about the root

[sweet summit]

it does not trigger from slows, no

[pastel crown]

yeah, i'm gonna have a good time messing around with it next week

i was just thinking of interrupts, stomrbolts and shockwave

but thunderclap, wow ya

[distant crystal]

looks like new beta wave went out

i'm in boys

[woven trellis]

any idea which one should i change first between Head engineer or blightborn chest, none of them has bastion

actually nvm

i only have TC on Engi head, so i would need to change chest first

[woven trellis]

is TD1 worth 5 ilvl + 1socket u think

?

[sweet summit]

yes

[pastel crown]

does the engineering helmet auto-cauterize remove the ravager DoT?

on hivemind?

[sweet summit]

it can

but its not 100%

[pastel crown]

so it's probably overall better than the absorb for progression attempts?

[strong forum]

both are just fine

[sweet summit]

i would not say so

i feel the shield is better overall

[strong forum]

neither is guaranteed to be useful or useless

[pastel crown]

ok ty

[sweet summit]

fair

[distant crystal]

the shield is guaranteed to be useful :p

[sweet summit]

also fair

[distant crystal]

the shield is a lot more HPS than the cauterizer

[sweet summit]

imean caut heals anyway

[distant crystal]

so if it's not removing a bleed for you reliable it should be worsde

although be warned the shield doesn't show up as a heal

you can find it under dmg taken for the little mob that it spawns

[sweet summit]

oh no my hps kekw

[manic vapor]

475ilvl mechagon shield or 465ilvl crit/mastery shield? I have no idea how highly to value secondaries vs block/main stat on shields

[sweet summit]

ilvl

[woven trellis]

is there a trick to not get hit by the TFB at 40 corru

[warm plinth]

Stun it, spell reflect it, kite it

Use your cloak

[woven trellis]

cool

[kind spindle]

If you use spell reflect make sure to run into asap so you don't accidentally reflect something else before the hit

[mellow patio]

I just play roulette and let it hit me. If I die I die

[pastel crown]

there's a weak aura that will put an icon over its head and make a beep noise as soon as it comes out

[mellow patio]

Blame healer for not topping me

[pastel crown]

it helps locate it in traffic

[woven trellis]

@warm plinth

tried to stun it

didnt wotk

work

[warm plinth]

It works. You just can't stay there.

He chases you for longer than the stun lasts

[woven trellis]

well it didnt stun it

[strong forum]

then you missed it

[woven trellis]

at all

[warm plinth]

Well idk what to tell you; I stun it all the time XD

[woven trellis]

how can i miss it

[strong forum]

hitting the wrong target instead

[warm plinth]

Wrong target, mouseover wrong thing

[woven trellis]

fine

[warm plinth]

idk

[woven trellis]

it may be possible

ill try again

[strong forum]

you can absolutely 100% stun it

Fear it

Spell Reflect it

[kind spindle]

I think you can fear it too no?

[strong forum]

root it

[warm plinth]

I used C&S in a Junkyard the other day (only 18 but let me live my best life) and it was pretty fun spam rooting TFB 🙂

[pastel crown]

you can definitely stormbolt it and shockwave stun it

also Int Shout it

which is helpful if you don't feel like switching targets

it does have to be pretty close so timing it is a thing

[mellow patio]

Honestly C&S major in that dungeon is worth just for keeping mobs in trixie and naeno room from gettin away lmao

[sweet summit]

trashtossers and slime elementals too 👌

[mental scarab]

so how much vers ratign do you guys rock before corruption?

[sweet summit]

uhh 35% i think?

[mental scarab]

O_O

21% vers now missing alch trinket dho

[sweet summit]

well i could be very wrong

[mental scarab]

yea dont unterstand whre i can get 14% from xD

[novel ruin]

35% seems very very high unless all socketed

[mental scarab]

missing maybe 4 sockets

[novel ruin]

And vers as main stat in everything

Think I’m around 27-28% before vers amps

[sweet summit]

how do i check this

[novel ruin]

How much vers do you have?

84%?

And then the number?

You could ratio math it backwards

[leaden grotto]

vers rating / (1+.12*number vers3)

[fierce bobcat]

holy shit i'm a noob you can reflect thing from beyond? lol how'd i never see this before

[novel ruin]

^ what Xorku said. I’m not math literate

[fierce bobcat]

if we're specced for BOM X3, and unstoppable, does that make VOP our top AE dmg major?

[novel ruin]

You should also SR eye of corruption if you don’t need it for a mechanic and can’t leave the circle

[fierce bobcat]

that's so nice, just can't believe i never thought of using SR for corruption effects to counter lol

[sweet summit]

30% before corruptions

[novel ruin]

Should also use SR on boss mechanics

[sweet summit]

ok 29

i was close

[novel ruin]

@fierce bobcat TD is top damage

[fierce bobcat]

ahh ok i'm maxed out on TD now, if i'm farming lower stuff 10-15 and staying alive isn't that hard what's my best major?

[novel ruin]

From a major perspective for AOE I would think either Lucid or VoP would be highest damage

But Crucible for ST

[fierce bobcat]

ok cool since my talents and traits synergize with VOP gonna try that out a bit, it seems with 3X BOM and unstoppable each proc is a big boost in dmg

[novel ruin]

For 20s and less go VoP

[sweet summit]

VoP is more damage than Lucid major

[leaden grotto]

VoP generally going to be higher damage.

[novel ruin]

Yeah, figured. But didn’t know 100%

[fierce bobcat]

for the mage boss in SW visions do yall kick the dmg spell and reflect the sheep?

[sweet summit]

ya

[leaden grotto]

reflect the spell. if you precast reflect he will target himself with the channel and hit himself multiple times

[fierce bobcat]

cool finally 5 masked org and 4 masked SW, gonna try to finish the achieve next cycle.

oh shit that sounds neat

reflect the dmg and kick the sheep so eithert combo works

[leaden grotto]

if you are going to reflect the sanity spell then you need to have a feeling for when it is going to happen (or timer) and cast reflect before he starts channeling

[fierce bobcat]

and is there a queue for us to know when to throw the golden banana at him to stop teleport? i heard you can do that but never knew when to use it

ahh

[raven knoll]

anyone knowing if the flame essence is worth buying for echos? or is it farmed quickly?

[fierce bobcat]

the flame is the easiest to R3 out of all essences i think

quick solo quest line

[raven knoll]

can you tell me how much time i need to do this quest? and are there any big requs?

[sweet summit]

flame is like one quest that takes 10 minutes for every rank

[fierce bobcat]

i'd guess mayhbe 90 min

[sweet summit]

10 max

per rank

[fierce bobcat]

yea its really fast

[leaden grotto]

and you need like level 70 neck or something but that is pretty much instant these days.

[fierce bobcat]

it's the last one i'd spend echoes on

[still pagoda]

@sweet summit

[raven knoll]

i see thanks! guys

[still pagoda]

it dropped

[sweet summit]

:pog:

[still pagoda]

on my first kill lul

[sweet summit]

ez

grats!

[raven knoll]

gz bro!

[stoic mulch]

guys, 75th scale or 60th raden haste? which is more profitable?

[sweet summit]

vita

[strong forum]

vita

[loud shoal]

$$

[stoic mulch]

ty fellas!

[still pagoda]

@stoic mulch https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148897941883584512/721999512557715517/unknown.png

just for some statistics

[stoic mulch]

oh wow

can you share the full table?

[still pagoda]

"465" vita is 460

no

since i took this small part from deswind

and i dunno whether the full table exists

[sweet summit]

mwahi made it 😠

[stoic mulch]

confidential 👀

[ionic fern]

That pretty much is the "full table" i just made it quickly to show the potential differences.

Since the question comes up a lot.

[still pagoda]

can you link and pin it? 👀

[sweet summit]

ill pin you 😏

[warm plinth]

I got 475 caress and 475 vita yesterday

[still pagoda]

i also wiped the raid on one of the cara pulls

[sweet summit]

[leaden grotto]

in the world of TD is it better to run Indom over Bolster if you purely want to get a damage parse? Bolster is clearly better defensively but is the extra uptime on LS for potentially bigger TD hits better than a 10% increase on TD overall?

[strong forum]

no

just straight up no

[sweet summit]

its never worth to go out of your way for more TD damage (HP) unless youre doing full tank raids

[still pagoda]

indom is the worst talent

never worth it

[loud shoal]

if you're doing meme things sure, but in anything real you never take indom

[strong forum]

if youre not actively tanking ever and run TD8

it could mabye be a thing

[leaden grotto]

well yeah i did specify purely for a damage parse i know not for real content. i just noticed some of the top parses using it and wanted to ask 🙂

[strong forum]

[sweet summit]

top parse is just lucky procs mate

[strong forum]

R1 log on Maut

got 10 TD procs in 1:48min

so yeah, have fun parsing my boi

1/10 people use indom for their parsing

i wouldnt call that viable

[leaden grotto]

just wanted to know if someone had done the math on it or if people just did for kicks and hoped for lucky procs, ty.

[strong forum]

its a coincidence at best

like theres an 8k discrepany between r1 wrath and the best indom log

it all comes down to luck, the 10% hardly has a massive impact on that

[sweet summit]

same killtime/td procs and crits xd?

[leaden grotto]

yeah thats what i figured. the luck is far more influential

[strong forum]

TD will make up about 50% of your dmg, so indom will give you a 5% increase at best

if youre getting extremely lucky that is

if youre not getting lucky then itll be a way lesser dmg increase

and just a survivability loss

[raven knoll]

wait acording to

according to this calculation 460 or 475 vita has only little bit of change right

[sweet summit]

yep

[strong forum]

yes

very little

[raven knoll]

i see

[strong forum]

what matters is vita, not the ilvl

[ionic fern]

@still pagoda that's literally the whole table tho. 😂

[still pagoda]

😳

[strong forum]

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

┬─┬ ノ( ゜-゜ノ)

[ionic fern]

Being on vacation is fun. No time to even read discord. 😦

[still pagoda]

Nom

[still pagoda]

get to raid too

[strong forum]

finally a gamer

gj

[ionic fern]

So close to beating the healer in healing..my leech set needs mooore.

[strong forum]

just turn that overhealing, into healing

eat more dmg

[sweet summit]

🧲

[raven knoll]

what stats i would want a +15 key spam/boost set to have? like main haste + ?? when im running full TD

[sweet summit]

haste crit and TD yeah

[ionic fern]

On the plus side..my IP did 23m and my leech did 16m..

Granted it was a +20 ML so we did some gigapulls but still

[sweet summit]

8 mill leech
32 mill IP
i need more leech i think

[ionic fern]

I'm on...33% now.

[mellow patio]

rolls out of bed

[ionic fern]

Only like 2 pieces with Leech tho.

😦

[mellow patio]

Did someone say leech

[sweet summit]

i need more

leech

[ionic fern]

https://tenor.com/view/no-bugs-bunny-nope-gif-14359850

[sweet summit]

someone bless me with leech luck

[mellow patio]

We all need more leech soldier

My bear alt has like 29% it’s dumb

[ionic fern]

[sweet summit]

[ionic fern]

Not gonna lie, i miss the purple beam of death from time to time. 😦

[strong forum]

i hate playing keys ever since i switched to vers%

btw

i literally stop paying attention so much more

cuz its irrelevant shit

[golden hedge]

does having a bunch of vers amps make prot basically unstoppable

[sweet summit]

it already is

[strong forum]

it makes it so you stop having fun in keys cuz you fall asleep and dont care about live as it is

and you just exist

👍

[golden hedge]

i see

[still pagoda]

[golden hedge]

well thats pretty cool thx for insight

[strong forum]

me playing vers

[sweet summit]

me playing vers

[still pagoda]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/466265624704974881/736547276528287784/08b39a13aa5429e340aa4ffb2c793ba7.gif

me thinking of playing vers

[manic vapor]

does anyone happen to know if you can get malific cores in the same week where yo upgraded your cloak to 15?

[golden hedge]

im like 90% sure you can

[sacred roost]

yes, you can

[manic vapor]

thanks guys

so much knowledge here

[sweet summit]

before 15 you can get as many as you want
after 15 you get one from vision, one from nzoth then buy the rest per week

[manic vapor]

yeah that I know. I just leveled my alt and want to be efficient 🙂

[still pagoda]

sitting on a trial bench watching guild wipe on N'zoth reclear

[mental scarab]

Btw what rank Do i buy for the vers corruption?

[sweet summit]

3 ofc

[strong forum]

r3

[mental scarab]

Aight

[sacred roost]

do you need more then 1 rank of TD, for the 15 tanking builds?

like, just 1 rank 3 TD?

or do you stack 1 rank 3 and 1 rank 2?

[still pagoda]

the more TD

the better

[mental scarab]

You take as many you can😐

[sacred roost]

I don't think same ranks give more proc chances do, do they?

[mental scarab]

I can use R9

Nein

[sacred roost]

ohh, 1 of each rank, then 2 IT.

[mental scarab]

Yea

[still pagoda]

ohh, 1 of each rank, then 2 IT.

Whatever combination of TD's in case of 15's

you just get whatever since they stack linearly

[sacred roost]

I'm just finished leveling this guy last week, so working on gearing, azerite traits are killing me.

[still pagoda]

you will have 30% hp into damage if you have 5 levels of TD in whatever ways

be it TD2+TD3 or 5xTD1

[steep bone]

Actually vex chest and skitra shoulders are bis ye?

[civic rover]

ye

[strong forum]

mecha chest is also insanely good

[still pagoda]

Vex, mecha and ashvane

All are great

[steep bone]

cuz i just got vex/skitra

[sacred roost]

vex is twilight devastation?

[still pagoda]

Maybe vita this week around

[sacred roost]

decimation I mean

[still pagoda]

vex is twilight devastation?
@sacred roost yes

[steep bone]

decimation*

[sacred roost]

so bolstering, HoD on that?

cause i've got that and helm of Abyssal Male

[still pagoda]

Use DC+BoM on Abyssal Malevolence

And BoM+HoD on vex chest

[woven trellis]

is it normal i cant do anything against a Healadin as a protwarrior

?

[sweet summit]

pvp?

[sacred roost]

pretty much, yeah. there gonna out heal your dps 🙂

[sweet summit]

why do u pvp as prot?

[woven trellis]

i mean just a random healadin in the warmode

i rly couldnt do shit

[sacred roost]

glimmerdin will heal themselves while damaging you

[woven trellis]

yeah

thats what happened

[steep bone]

you're not gonna 1v1 hpala in warmode

[sacred roost]

and unless you where insanely lucky with td procs, you aren't gonna kill it.

[woven trellis]

ok

so that wasnt just me being very bad

[sacred roost]

guardain druid will rock you too, really almost anything ewith a self heal. 😛

[steep bone]

@still pagoda if you're interested im actually making ui look-a-like naowh's Elvui i mean

[still pagoda]

It was an accident i did it like this

I also have different frames, WAs and stuff

So nah

ElvUI is like that one addon that always looks the same

[sacred roost]

there's modifications you can get to it that make it look different.

like Benkui

[still pagoda]

Unless you're going for some kind of early WotLK/Cata look to it

[civic rover]

if you're subbed to naowh you can get his exact ui from his discord

[sacred roost]

who's naowh?

[civic rover]

a pretty popular tank streamer

[sacred roost]

what's his UI look like?

ohh, that looks like a modified Elvui

[sweet summit]

you just described like 90% of all wowplayers' UI

[limpid pawn]

yo just out of curiosity

[sweet summit]

ya?

[limpid pawn]

is it better nowadays to not use the 5 immune soak strategy for nzoth

[sweet summit]

we still do, just immune the 2nd one in p3 and soak/ignore the rest

[civic rover]

found an old screenshot from like 2 years ago, cant believe i used to copy sco's UI

[warm plinth]

If ever there was a UI not worth copying, it's that one

[civic rover]

it's just so... messy

mans was playing world of menucraft

[royal rune]

warriors can stop 2nd boss SoB from goign away?

[strong forum]

requires very specific timing of applying your TC root during Avatar

[royal rune]

why avatar ?

[strong forum]

cuz otherwise you only stop her once

you need the CDR

you need to constantly root her when she wants to jump up, while rooting her she has to start "shoot" again

just that "shoot" ends you want to root her to stop her from jumping up, and hope you hit the correct time so she starts casting "shoot" again

rinse and repeat, you need avatar to pull this off for any real gain

[brittle owl]

or just have a rogue

[strong forum]

what do you mean rogue

[brittle owl]

[primal sable]

dont you only need a slow

[south holly]

[primal sable]

to keep her from jumping

a regular TC will do

[strong forum]

thats not what im talking about

im talking about her not jumping onto the boat

[primal sable]

oh

[strong forum]

aka intermission

[primal sable]

wait you can do that?

[strong forum]

you can prevent that for 20seconds if youre a god

[primal sable]

what the fuck lmao

[strong forum]

yes i just explained it

[primal sable]

this cant be intended

[strong forum]

well... its not prohibited

RoP also works

[novel ruin]

Doing fight as intended

And it is pretty difficult to pull off consistently

And you are holding avatar for that which lowers your dps during her down phase so it can be a gamble

[strong forum]

tried it once, didnt manage it

but then again, ill never ever run a siege in my live ever again

[south holly]

siege

[strong forum]

BFA

[primal sable]

siege isnt that bad

TD on the other hand

[brittle owl]

you clearly haven't done an alliance siege

[strong forum]

ill run neither

[primal sable]

i have done many an alliance sieges

too many

[strong forum]

ive done like 5 sieges this season

already too many

[brittle owl]

i haven't run a single key in 3 months

[strong forum]

kinda jealous

ngl

im too retarded to quit

[brittle owl]

havent quit

just raidlogging

4 hours of banter every week

done

[strong forum]

so youre playing more than me

nvm then

[brittle owl]

playing is a strong word to describe what i'm doing

[strong forum]

same

i do 1-2 keys and thats it

[civic rover]

i might not even have to raidlog

my two characters i actually care about already have everything they need from nya and I have my CE, at this point if someone else wants to tank they can knock themselves out

[strong forum]

if someone else wants to tank

[civic rover]

we have like four DHs that wanna tank lol

[novel ruin]

Aren’t you worried about losing raid spot come SL?

[civic rover]

it's already secured

[novel ruin]

Ahh

[civic rover]

my RL likes me too much

it's just there's a few people who tank in other content but DPS in raid who want some of the tank pieces still, and also wanna tank the fights, so I'm just like "if it works out with the RL, go for it"

i'll probably still tank 3 weeks a month

[sick sentinel]

what are other ways i can pull mobs from cages in Tol Dagor?

without using key/scroll/rogue

[civic rover]

thunderclap can hit the mobs sometimes

and pull them through the wall

[sick sentinel]

i seen twi dev can get it and some other stuff i assume self aoe like arcane explosion comes to mind, or echo void

[limpid pawn]

torment in a jar trinket gets them out too

you trying to get the cage guys out?

[steep bone]

if you have TD and position yourself towards cages you'll pull them

[sick sentinel]

Hi my group ask me to mark the enemies, is there weak auras / addons for do it automatic? How do the pros do that?

[civic rover]

i use an oPie wheel bound to CTRL+5

i think there's a weakaura that automatically marks important targets though

[sick sentinel]

Yes this important targets wa do I need !!

[distant crystal]

there's an automatic one that will mark things you mouseover or get in combat with

[sick sentinel]

Can u give me a link?

[civic rover]

https://wago.io/r7JYafkm2

think this is the one

[sick sentinel]

Thanks a lot !!

[ionic fern]

[civic rover]

yikes

[undone sun]

🤣

[civic rover]

whenever someone addresses me as "tank" before the run i get tempted to leave

[obtuse yoke]

he's a 2k resto shaman with all vers corruption

[civic rover]

OOF size LARGE

[obtuse yoke]

i joined this to help my friend with a key

[ionic fern]

Big sad.

Did you leave?

👀

[limpid pawn]

he's geared for the 25's

but in the 18's for practice 😉

the type of dude to eat every pistol shot

the type of dude to buy 3k IO

[chilly brook]

imagine restricting equipment swapping in Torghast when you gave warrior DPS specs shield block

[civic rover]

if there's one thing i'm thankful for

[limpid pawn]

yall ever carry someone through horrific visions as prot?

[civic rover]

i'm thankful that my raid leader doesn't try to tell me how to tank, he just lets me do my thing

i carried ppl as fury

[limpid pawn]

try as prot, i give you some props if you succeed

it's legit hard

[civic rover]

i just did fury because i didn't have any TD pieces when I was selling 5 mask runs

my luck was very bad lol

[hardy siren]

sorry if this is in a pinned post (I checked but might have missed it) but is there a good tool for comparing items as prot? I'm struggling to workout which of my 2nd and 3rd best trinkets is better

[ionic fern]

For DPS purposes you can use raidbots to figure out the gear.

[limpid pawn]

what trinkets you got mane

there's like a total of 4 worth using lol

[hardy siren]

Rezan's Gleaming Eye 475 with a gem and Void Twisted Titan Shard 460. My corruptions are versa

[limpid pawn]

what level of mythic plus you doing

or rather what are you tanking - raid/mythic plus?

[hardy siren]

clearing up 15s for achievement but I'm pretty comfy in say 18, and want to push after. M+

[civic rover]

get some TD king

[hardy siren]

see, I was going to but then I thought I might not spent ages in low keys and I didnt want to rebuy

[limpid pawn]

my proud brother, you want crit/haste not verse for that level, with TD like leidabeef said. trinkes being vita/scale or vita/rezans

then at 21/22 keys you can go full verse with alchemist stone/lingering psychic shell for them big dick pulls. but make sure to make them big

[hardy siren]

arite, probably on the eye over the versa one then! cheers

[civic rover]

reroll raden every week

vita is big pp haste

thank you for asking

[limpid pawn]

always remember, transmog/mounts = the true end game

d r i p

[obtuse yoke]

@ionic fern we got to 1st boss in ML and he couldn't stay ahead of static pulse damage, so all the dps just died

[civic rover]

good transmog makes you 10% better at the game

funny panda mogs make you 50% worse though, i'm living proof of that.

[novel ruin]

@hardy siren Dont worry about Vers until 23/24 keys

[hardy siren]

like part of it is in the group I play with our healer is a bit of a weak link, but also I've bought the versa now =p

[novel ruin]

you dont really need healing at 15s if playing correctly

[hardy siren]

I take it you're doing pretty high keys?

[novel ruin]

25s

[hardy siren]

yeah, so like I think you probably need to be playing better than the level of the key you're at by quite a bit for that to be true. which you'll be able to do, but I'm not. so yeah, sure we have individual accountability but so does the healer when the key is appropriate for our skill level

[novel ruin]

@hardy siren Shield block up when going to take damage. Shield Block > Shield Block > Shield Block > Last Stand > Shield Block > Shield Block

Ignore pain as filler

Make sure to always have 30 rage available for Shield Block

If no shield block charges nor last stand, kite until either back up

[hardy siren]

it's just the odd big pack or some of the pillar bosses I'll sometimes go down to. that said other times the healer will die on a boss and I'll just survive. could be a movement thing also on the pillars.

[limpid pawn]

jack do you use weakauras

[hardy siren]

stuck with the versa anyway - got 6 stacks of it, and I'm defo not farming for TD then going back later and refarming the versa 😄

yeah, although im not as sorted for that as I'd like, I'm planning on using the set up Fem's using but havent got round to it

for whatever reason I can't get the avatar ones to function the way I'd like either

[limpid pawn]

if you looking to step up your game, i'd say awareness is the #1 thing. and GOOD weak auras fixes most of those issues

anything that can make you more aware of your own buffs/debuffs/things going on the very second they happen

also get vocal raid assist if you haven't already

you should have a weak aura that tracks party member's buffs too - especially font of power

I am just a pleb, but good tanks in this discord that are doing like 26+ keys for sure view their entire 5 man team like a voltron/power ranger unit where they can use abilities in a coordinated manner where nothing is wasted

(because they are aware of when all abilities are available, when they are being used, etc)

[hardy siren]

interesting you should say that about the tank calling for other people's cooldowns. I saw that as more of a healer thing

last time I played really was wrath - picked it up again like 4 months ago. kinda short on resources and experience but getting there

[abstract turtle]

If you're doing 15s, TD is absolutely the way to go. Even if/when you push big keys, you'll want two separate sets of gear to swap between for TD / vers depending on the key level. My TD set is all haste/crit and vers set is all vers/haste

[limpid pawn]

also after a certain point, it is completely about being at the right place at the right time. for example, someone doing like 24-25 keys very well may be able to be doing like 26+ keys with a better team in an alternate universe

same thing applies for people in guilds stuck at like 10/12 mythic or whatever. A lot of those people could easily be cutting edge top 100, but are stuck in shit places - but in alternate universes would be doing well in their good guild

I say this because if you are lacking the players to play with - you can only realistically expect to get so far on your own

someone I knew said this to me like 10 years ago, but I think it is by far the most important lesson in this game - nothing is more of an important decision as the people you choose to play with in wow

[hardy siren]

@abstract turtle I can accept for sure that I should have gone TD, but I didn't and I dont have the echoes to sort that now. probably just gonna deal with it. not trying to argue which is better, just that I've already bought the versa 😄

[limpid pawn]

i'd stick with what you have obviously but if something drops via 5 masks or something i'd create a separate TD set slowly

believe it or not, the 15-21 keys are harder for you since you're wearing verse

like when I go through them with td6, I do so much dps that everything dies ultra quick

imagine having an extra person there dpsing with your squad. that is twilight dev senpai

[hardy siren]

yeah, like it's a mix of RL friends of mine and people I've known a long time from wow. and theres a wide range of ability there, for sure. over time we'll see how it plays out with that.

hmm interesting one then

yeah, I'll see about getting the TD and banking it. the issue is obvs I dont want to clean it off my current gear then refarm it, esp this near the end of an expansion

[limpid pawn]

no don't cleanse your existing set - that be dumb

just gather extra pieces slowly