but sanguine, explo, bolstering, tyran 3rd boss can be rough for some
#protection
steep bone
sweet summit
@buoyant walrus nice man! Love to see it 
hoary root
Can I ask for some tips for WCM. I want to pull the entire corridors of maggots but somehow when I go back to the entrance door, I always die as I have issues of backfacing and ended up dying. Any tips pls
ebon hound
Are you using speedpot + leap?
steep bone
you can ask someone to stay at entrance so you can charge on him, and you can also reflect maggots
sweet summit
The ENTIRE corridor?
Gotta speedpot, LoS first few maggots, carge to last pack, pop reflect, charge back - leap to door
You might wanna have to pop SW/LPS too
graceful pine
Hi guys, i've not been active on the prot discord for sometime, but circumstances have arisen where I may be required to tank mythic n'zoth. My gear is all Arms orientated, with full expedient. I have some TD3 pieces. Would these be good enough? OR is Versa stack the preferred choice?
Also, stats-wise, im ofcourse very haste/mastery heavy, with very limited vers anyway
brittle owl
you don't gear defensively for raid
corruption or otherwise
at most, depending on your tanking setup
you slap on an LPS
and go below 40 corruption
that would be the extent of turtling on nzoth imo
td6 is also below 40 now afaik
graceful pine
excellent, so stat-wise its not so important? Can easily slap on TD 3-5 and a bunch of expedient
brittle owl
slap on as much td as you have
and fill the rest with whatever
so long as you're 40, you're good for prog
below 40*
civic rover
IT is a good filler but it wont be up for a while
steep bone
@graceful pine I recently downed Nzoth with td3 21% base haste, and few vers amps (guild literally forced me to get some vers but i only had 22 so literally no difference, as they thought it's reason why im dying).
It wasn't hard to tank without, only issues are when your healers are slacking/you have two or more thought harvesters on you as they hit hard, then it's tentacle when it starts casting it'll also hit hard
graceful pine
think i have a 475 IT1 belt somewhere
brittle owl
LPS is a good help on prog for bashers
since void lash kinda slaps when it overlaps with boss aoe
until dps get their shit together
steep bone
when bashers arent dying quickly and you eat full cast of theirs it can flip you easily if you dont have anything up
brittle owl
also, what's your cotank jonny
graceful pine
Prot pala
wary beacon
best major and minor for 15-20 keys? (have conflict r2 only and not going to grind for rank 3)
graceful pine
havent discussed this yet, our monk tank literally just quit today
steep bone
@wary beacon Vop major, warden, conflict, lucid minor
Lucid minor is nice if you can pull around it, but u can't really on such keys
wary beacon
ty 🙂
graceful pine
@brittle owl we have 2 DH that have tank gear that can maybe step up, if that particular mechanic will cause us issue
brittle owl
it's not a cakewalk if you're doing heavy lifting as a dh either
so if they don't have tanking exp it would be a bad idea
just keep in mind you'll have to be smart after secret phase, depending on your dos
dps*
you'll need to juggle his bubble taunt, your avatar window, and his BoP if you get 4 thotts up in the last burn
graceful pine
is this to facilitate quick aggro switch on 2 targets?
pearl summit
my guild burned the thots and ignored the 2nd set in burn, pally tank dragged them out when the time came, shouldn't really be an issue really
graceful pine
our raid dps is pretty high, with 3 fire mages
pearl summit
then dont worry at all
make sure to spell reflect evoke anguish when you dont wanna be around to drop pools
steep bone
^ you can reflect first two
pearl summit
you may have to find a different pattern depending on strat
but I reflected Evoke 1 and 4 and then as many as I could in burn
steep bone
@graceful pine https://wago.io/I6KXx-eq4 you can get my wa, it tells you when to pop spell reflection and triggers only when spell reflection is available 😄
graceful pine
ooo, ty!
steep bone
for second one i had to spam it as it comes right after grip
graceful pine
thanks for all the help guys, will discuss with the guild and other players who have tank specs about what they want to do
might need my filthy execute damage as arms yet 😄
sweet summit
Just stop thinking about it then ;)
steep bone
i've just meet a warrior who was playing 
sweet summit
Chad
steep bone
He was doing +9-12 keys
strong forum
Powerful
sweet summit
An entity we do not mess with for he will destroy us given the chance
strong forum
Now you're just deflecting
You're just giving me more reasons to believe you're an e-girl
I'm writing them carefully down
brittle owl
i mean
for all you know i could be a 40yold fit cougar with red hair and green eyes and D cup breasts
or i could just be a fat fuck jerking off as i type this
sweet summit
Both are kinda weird
Idk what id prefer
brittle owl
why not both
sweet summit
How
brittle owl
yes
sweet summit
I see
wooden moat
Guys I'm pretty far from getting Mythic Ilgynoth shield (maybe ever). What is the second best shield I can get? If we're talking ilvl 465 (since I'll never get it from weekly chest 😅 ). Is it the Temple of Sethralis shield?
Or is HC Ilgynoth shield better despite 5 ilvl lower?
strong forum
Best m+ shields are Atal/Motherload cuz they offer haste
wooden moat
Even if they don't have vers?
strong forum
Vers is not something you give a damn about unless you're pushing 23+++
The people that screech that you need vers for raiding or for low keys have no idea what they're talking about
wooden moat
I see. Well I'm not pushing those numbers yet but me and a couple friends are aiming to do so
strong forum
Aiming for =/= doing it
wooden moat
True
strong forum
That's like saying I need to fill up my Volvo with the most expensive gas for the race in my porsche
strong forum
👋
wooden moat
o/
strong forum
Sounds like you need some practice then.
sick sentinel
but i always use SB
strong forum
Well theres more to prot than just shield block.
sick sentinel
when i pull ( avatar -> charge + shield block -> Thunder Clap -> Demo Shout -> continue with clapping)
strong forum
Ya
sick sentinel
like what ? :#
fair berry
Last Stand amigo
strong forum
Ignore pain is your ragedump and dmg smoother
sick sentinel
i kiting
strong forum
You always wanna avoid rage capping and dump most your rage into IP
In a +12 you should never feel the need to kite ever
Even in high keys you don't kite unless it's a very specific scenario
So you're 100% not pressing your buttons the way you should
gilded tapir
Just press them harder
strong forum
I'll send you the copy pasta, maybe you can spot smth that's new to you
fair berry
Whats the copy pasta 👀 👀 👀
strong forum
If you use the search function in this channel and type in " sb-sb-sb" you can find my wall of text copy pasta
sweet summit
Link log
fair berry
Thanks
sweet summit
Np
orchid frigate
seems like a lot of classes still is a bit butchered. which ones looks really promising so far?
strong forum
Essences won't make or break you pushing into 20s, dungeon knowledge and skill is what matters way more
muted heron
Okay good to know. Cause some of the pvp ones are hard to get
strong forum
Ya
muted heron
Damn 15 weeks. Pre patch might be out 😂
strong forum
By that SL will be out
orchid frigate
lol wanted to do a nice chill WCM and a hunter pulls the whole corridor outside sisters room (except the runeweaver). so 3 groups with bewitched captains and enthralled guards
ngl was a bit much to live throug
ionic fern
Sounds like a ton of fun tho.
orchid frigate
wish i had my versa gear on :/
orchid frigate
no
strong forum
6%chad here
orchid frigate
nothing can cheer me up now
strong forum
Think about D4, that always cheers me up
orchid frigate
i can think of the "guys dont you have phones" debacle to cheer me up
you know whats a bid sign when it comes to warlocks in dungeons?
when they dont immediately put out cookies
summer lotus
my guess was just, being warlocks
upper plaza
I drop cookies like every 5 minutes on my lock. Cookies save lives. Esp in my guild group.
I've been in groups where the locks don't drop cookies and don't even have a pet out.
summer lotus
isnt healthstone tracker a thing?
orchid frigate
i had to google it :p
summer lotus
never played warlock but I assume someone would come up with either addon or wa for something like that
ionic fern
Don't worry, i just healed a warrior who used SB like 10 times over the course of the dungeon.
sweet summit
Was that me?
ionic fern
Probably.
orchid frigate
i threw SB into the bin
time for another legion assault on my pala
crazy xp
whats the deal with all people wanna party sync?
loud shoal
SB is a crutch
strong forum
With Party sync you can abuse some stuff iirc
Like getting more XP or some shit
Never done it so I'm not certain
orchid frigate
kk invited a couple of guys
woeful estuary
If you’re using party sync go back to the starting area, example, human, and you re do the quests there and gain exp as if they were for your level, and you level around 10 levels in 3 minutes
Go to a dense zone that you can redo
orchid frigate
smort
wise fulcrum
What ilvl are people looking for out of a prot tank for heroic nzoth?
sweet summit
Probably 470+ if u are pugging
wise fulcrum
any tips on getting there from the 450s?
strong forum
Keep playing m+
Without friends or a guild boosting you, your only source of upgrade is weekly m+ and regular m+ loot to get to 460+
Unless you pvp, but let's be serious, nobody gets gear from pvp
sweet summit
Mages and warlocks 
sweet summit
Easily doable if you play one of the classes i mentioned
sick sentinel
i got crit haste socketed boots today, but it replaces td2 boots
Did you buy a TD2 yesterday?
Or last vendor?
i bought 1 td2 and used it
oh, nvm even better, they are pants get to keep td2
late notch
Ok, so question
460 Dragonscale, 465 Rezan's Eye, 445 Vita, 470 Psychic Shell
Which trinket combination would be the best for which situations
I like having the Shell, but I know it doesn't do much at higher m+ and mythics since the shield is so low.
Thinking Rezan's and Scale for most things?
inland mason
2 quick questions
how can I see the energy on last boss of jy
and when do I have to reflect for those big goos
how often does their debuff tick
and when
sweet summit
@late notch vita+scale in most content. Shell is good if you nees to survive some specific pulls/abilities or if you just want a safetynet i guess. If you want to use shell pair it with vita. You dont drop that vita until you get a higher ilvl vita
@inland mason energy on the channel pillar thing?
And reflecting the puddle is something ive never done or tested so idk
I just reflect spider and bots/lightwave going intermission
Oh you mean reflecting the toxic monstrosity! You just pop reflect just before the first little cast bar finishes then stand still @inland mason
kind spindle
@inland mason when the slime casts consume you use spell reflect right before it completes. Then you can just stand in the green puddle while everyone else runs away from it. You won't take damage from it at that point.
late notch
@sweet summit thanks. So rezans is useless
sick sentinel
it's just low tier compared to nya stuff
sweet summit
Not useless, just worse than scale and vita
late notch
Got it
sick sentinel
vita + lps = bis s tier scale, rezan, block, fang A tier, everything else avoid
sweet summit
Scale>shell in most cases imo
sick sentinel
hey i got a question about waycrest , ive heard that prot warris pull the worms that are in the corridor of the "pig boss" all alone and reflect the spit. in what extend do we do that ? do you pull like ALL worms ? do you even survive that until u can reflect ? playing about 21-23s right now.
i mean u gotta go in alone right since the spit is random target
sweet summit
You have to be alone or everyone else has to be LoS
To be able to reflect all of them, they have to cast at the same time
sick sentinel
i'm wrong person to ask i'm only doing 15's still aint got the mindborer
i thought reflect can only reflect 1 thing, but i do know it 1 shots the maggot for some reason
sweet summit
Its possible but requires some practice, youll die of you fail to reflect most of them
Spit is extremely deadly
ionic fern
The idea is you pull them and then you STUN them to sync up their spits.
ANd then you can reflect all of them.
sick sentinel
yeah i get the idea , but how do we do that in reality , anybody done that and can give me advise?
sweet summit
Rads has a clip of it on twitch i believe
If it survived the purge idk
I reality you run fast as fuck with a speedpot, gram them all, leap back, LoS for them to group, stun them to sync casts, pop reflect and profit
Hopefully you dont reflect TfB instead :^)
sick sentinel
i don't go above 40
i tried it on UR something, and 2 of them come at once, 700-800k, ded
wise fulcrum
I'm having trouble deciding between rings:
sweet summit
Id go loop+seal
wise fulcrum
that's what i'm leaning towards but it pushes my corruption pretty high
and I don't know how much to value the socket on cosmic
sweet summit
Cleanse EV if you have TD
wise fulcrum
I don't, planning on buying TD3 on fri
but probably not going to throw it on anything until I have some BIS
sweet summit
EV is still more dam than VR i think. Are these two the only corrupted items you use? Both are kinda mediocre
strong forum
Iirc EV2 was like 2-3k dps?
wise fulcrum
yeah ive gotten trash corrupteds overall i have a waist and wep with leech that im about to cleanse
sweet summit
EV doesnt exist in my head so i have no idea
Youd have to sim it in aoe, ev most likely wins
wise fulcrum
hmm if i run both and swap to corrruption res ess i can get under 40 so maybe ill just go for both
sweet summit
That works
wise fulcrum
thanks for the help im gear inept
buoyant walrus
What ring should I replace ?
Do I take the 405 haste and lose 189 crit or gain the 189 haste and 188 crit
sweet summit
😬
strong forum
You have about 3 months 
late notch
Today is a good day
strong forum
I'm excepting anything from an Oct release to an January release tbh
If it was next year it would benefit my nolife chances
sweet summit
Nice TD mate
strong forum
As I have only like 4/5 vacay days left for this year, but could pump nice 2 weeks out if it was next year
late notch
I need to purge the TD2 I bought for my shield
strong forum
Na, you run TD5
late notch
Don't have the resist
still pagoda
I'm excepting anything from an Oct release to an January release tbh
Blizz said that it will be no farther than Fall
sweet summit
Oh
strong forum
Then wait
still pagoda
basically deadline is December 22nd
late notch
I'm at 83 resist right now
late notch
And I have a bunch of expedient that gets shared from my arms set
strong forum
I'd be fine with Christmas release, I'd finally get to cancel Christmas with family
chilly brook
Meh
strong forum
But that's never gonna happen
chilly brook
Sooner rather than later as long as the systems aren't overbearingly busted
sweet summit
I just dont want azerite v2
late notch
Last day of fall is in November
ashen cape
GUYS! how do you warrior, I'm a prot paladin working on all tanks lol.
raven knoll
anyone else struggeling in WM? im having problems with the mobs after Witches that do shadow cleave and inside the hallway before the stationary boss. the oneys that give me a magic dot
strong forum
ashen cape
thanks my guy
chilly brook
@ashen cape you press your buttons
strong forum
Yes you wanna avoid those as much as possible @raven knoll
chilly brook
And no that's not a meme
sweet summit
Dont pull those framed
strong forum
They deal magic dmg
sweet summit
Or constantly backpeddle to avoid thr cleaves
raven knoll
i tried to dodge the cleaves or stun it. but somehow if i dodged it dds did go infront of it
if both cleaves hit me at same time i melt like insane
strong forum
Next to the jumpy Bois the hardest part of WCM is that corridor
sweet summit
Jumpyboys is monkashake
sweet summit
Im not
raven knoll
in my route there is the pat 2 so 2 mobs above
sweet summit
Literally skipping it
Only doing first gaurd captain witch into soul essences after a while
chilly brook
@ashen cape press shield block if the mob swings or shoots, use last stand to cover gaps in shield block, use shield wall to cover gaps or if you need a personal (dont hold onto it it's a waste if you do). Press avatar on cooldown. Press demoralizing shout on cooldown. Shield Slam>TC>revenge with proc>devastate. Spell reflect your corruption.
sweet summit
Rest is obelisk/shroudskip
raven knoll
can you screenshot your route maybe?
sweet summit
Im not on PC so i cant 
raven knoll
ohh okey i see :/
arctic python
Is siphoner ever worth running ?
raven knoll
the witches i dont even need to SB right?
or do they autoattack on random situations if they get kicked
raven knoll
im talking about sisters
strong forum
Siphoner is big bad
sweet summit
Me too
raven knoll
ohh i see
strong forum
Witches still melee
sweet summit
Was answering to pepper first sry
sweet summit
Dps can get meleed by them too and thats fun
raven knoll
i see thanks!
chilly brook
Just soul cleave 4head
chilly brook
I was at like 96k HPS last night on the caster/bladestorm mob in the room after the first boss in KR because no one was kicking
sweet summit
I really really really wanna try shear degeneracy but my dh is ally with a rank 6 cloak and no corruptions so i SEA BEE AY
sweet summit
Stupid is right up my alley 😎
chilly brook
When I say stupid I mean it doesn't really feel like it does much for me
royal mirage
This any good for M+?
sweet summit
Decent at best id say
tame garden
tame garden
📸
opal whale
sweet summit
Depends on if you have enough corruption budget to use the extra 18 corruption over something else
IT1 is very very efficient whereas IT2 is not very efficient
opal whale
I’m at 33 corruption
fierce bobcat
i'd just cleanse that IT2 to use the higher piece with socket
opal whale
I could go do some visions and get the extra cores
fierce bobcat
that's a solid gain in stats including the sockey
sweet summit
Keep the IT1 imo
opal whale
Then I lose an IT1
fierce bobcat
just buy another it1 soon 🙂
ot
its super cheap
but i guess for now if you had to use one and have no access to IT1 yet the lower one is prolly better and just replace it when IT1 is back on vendor
steep bone
hi frens ❤️
opal whale
Alright. So I’ll hold onto boots until IT1 is back
fierce bobcat
socketed 475 just seems so juicy not to use lol
sweet summit
Yep yep
opal whale
If I get the resistance should I rock the boots though with an IT1 on my pants
sweet summit
Idk how spicy your pants are but thosr boots wont be replaced anytime soon so thats a good fit
sweet summit
Aye rock both
opal whale
Thanks as always for the excellent advice
blazing gale
@opal whale Windowskey+ shift + S so you dont have to pick up your camera everytime you want to send a screen shot
civic rover
or printscreen
uncut shadow
Quick question guys
undone sun
sharex is your best friend
uncut shadow
Maut mythic
The dot he applies. Does block work against that?
Or is IP the only option?
chilly brook
Print screen paste into ms paint, crop and save next time please
chilly brook
@uncut shadow #268491842637660160 has a blockable spell resource
undone sun
uncut shadow
Merci
toxic remnant
Does TD count as a different entity or something? I don't see SotW increasing its dmg
SotW Major I mean
strong forum
Do you mean in Sims or in game
toxic remnant
In game
strong forum
Mh technically it should
sweet summit
it does
toxic remnant
Hm I shall test it further
You can for sure activate the essence after TD has procced right?
raven knoll
guys can you explain me why some warriors are not running stormbolt in m+? are you guys running it?
clear musk
i know rule of thumb is always ilvl, but for leggings:
i have a 465 haste/verse and got a 475 mastery/crit today from my chest, im tanking M15-M19s. do i still go for the 475 mastery/crit?
i also have a 470 verse/mastery i can use
undone sun
@raven knoll personal preference
stiff oracle
@clear musk if its high haste id use the 465 myself.
raven knoll
i mean thiunking about it shockwave on low cd would maybe be good for shrine where there are like 20 casters
sweet summit
i always use Storm Bolt
limpid pawn
does clockwork heart stack?
limpid pawn
good, so getting tank buster pauldrons + mechanized chest = BiS after prepatch
sweet summit
yeah i think so
limpid pawn
i wonder if people will still buy carries during that time lol
prolly sell nzoth mount mainly
clear musk
thanks shaakez. i actually have a few options,
475 crit/mastery
475 haste/mastery (125 hate)
470 verse/mastery
470 haste/crit (190 haste)
465 haste/vers (170 haste)
for pants
from highest ilvl to lowest
sweet summit
475 with haste
clear musk
ty
stiff oracle
100% 475 haste
obtuse yoke
i think im horrible at azerite luck
sweet summit
IF BfI isnt the worst i guess? 😂
stiff oracle
obtuse yoke
Is it worth running 465 vexiona chest over that 480 piece of shit that i just got?
sweet summit
for damage you can sim it
but generally the ilvl itself is worth more than bom and hod
obtuse yoke
When i compare it’s only 20k hp, and i do gain an impassive visage
sweet summit
"only"
obtuse yoke
I have 475 shield
sweet summit
and the armor
mental scarab
Ah
obtuse yoke
Just so tired of running shitty traits :/
novel ruin
@raven knoll More shockwave is actually pretty bad for Shrine
raven knoll
how comes?
sweet summit
imean the vex chest is most likely better for damage, and if youre not struggling to live its fine to go for more damage
novel ruin
Shrine is one of the least damage taken dungeons in the game, i actually heal more hps in it than my healer
raven knoll
maybe if ppl kick waterblasts 😄
novel ruin
everything in shrine is either blockable, kickable or avoidable damage
mental scarab
That ”kickable”
novel ruin
stun the wash away casts
sweet summit
always saying "no kicks" but do you still facetank when no kicks are comming
mental scarab
🥳
sweet summit
you can LoS/outrange water blasts
novel ruin
they will keep casting wash away
obtuse yoke
@sweet summit im not sure what to run for push week next week, i guess i’ll just need to feel it out and see. Running 22s & 23s now
mental scarab
But cant they just random cast it on a dps?
obtuse yoke
Heart could give me nice vers too
sweet summit
you are a tank, yes
but you dont have to die because your teammates mess up
novel ruin
then Los/outrange the blasts
raven knoll
im not blaming them for it
i dont expect them to do stuff
just saying i think it would feel good
but if its not the righ tplay i wont take it
sweet summit
@obtuse yoke so you're stacking vers?
novel ruin
hold your teammates to higher standards
obtuse yoke
@sweet summit yeah when i do 22s/23s i run vers + 2 it1
novel ruin
HoD is better defensively
sweet summit
im gonna feelycraft this and say the vex chest is better then
novel ruin
which i wouldnt really worry about if full vers doing 22/23s
novel ruin
IV is best trait for tanks
novel ruin
comparing 465 vs 480 chest?
sweet summit
yeah
novel ruin
Which chests?
sweet summit
vex vs harpooners
obtuse yoke
novel ruin
465 vex?
sweet summit
yeah
obtuse yoke
This vs vex
novel ruin
for ST
sweet summit
and 15 ilvls
sweet summit
its big block value
sweet summit
yeah
novel ruin
Def go 465 vex chest in this case
Full vers HoD and IV will make up the 15ilvl loss defensively
obtuse yoke
ty gamers
opal whale
Is it ever worth buying malefic cores with echoes?
sweet summit
ok cool my feelycraft was right then
sweet summit
i think it is if youre far behind
novel ruin
or if you are getting lots of echos per week
sweet summit
59 resistance?
opal whale
Yeah
sweet summit
on cloak?
novel ruin
corruption resistance should be upgraded as you need it
sweet summit
damn
sweet summit
unless TD 2/3 is on vendor soon and you plan to buy, i would
sweet summit
TD3 is again next tuesday for NA
novel ruin
i would get your 1 core of the week
to put you below 40 corruption
then just upgrade cloak when you need the extra resist
sweet summit
i agree with that
opal whale
I’m at 30 corruption right now. The goal is to get down so I can put the socketed 475 boots with it3
It2**
Nvm it is 3
opal whale
Oh nvm
novel ruin
IT2 is bleh
opal whale
It2
novel ruin
Stick to it1
opal whale
The boots are socketed though at 475
novel ruin
Less corruption budget for more %
opal whale
It feels like a shame to waste them
opal whale
Then I lose IT1 because it happens to also be on my boot slot. I hate making decisions like this
sweet summit
IT2 is actually worse than IT1
novel ruin
Haste one
sweet summit
UF
opal whale
UF as far as I know also
novel ruin
How much leech do you naturally have?
obtuse yoke
1.33%
sweet summit
yeah UF imo
novel ruin
Then either crit or haste
obtuse yoke
vexi chest does get me an extra 2.5% vers which is nice
thanks gamers, rocking these now
novel ruin
Just realize that for 22s you don’t NEED the vers
sweet summit
what head is that? nzoth?
obtuse yoke
yeah nzoth helm
sweet summit
and carapace shoulders?
obtuse yoke
cara shoulders
obtuse yoke
@novel ruin i realize that but i'd rather just get used to the gear that i'll be using as i prog more in m+
@sweet summit guild letting me do skitra tn so hopefully i get them
if i do then that's a 2nd hod
sweet summit
if you're not used to dungeons/mechanics vers can do harm as you dont know what will do damage as you go higher
novel ruin
@sweet summit You think Skit shoulders and Ashvane Helmet are bigger than 490 Nzoth or Cara pieces?
sweet summit
yeah i got convinced the OP and IV is better than the ilvl
novel ruin
I haven’t paid attention to azerite names in months xD
Think I’ll try em out instead of Nzoth helm
sweet summit
3x IV is huge, and OP is huge too
sweet summit
the third one is big
IV will do more healing than LS overall
novel ruin
I’m so greedy with shield block/ LS
novel ruin
This pull has 20% left, I’m going to wait 4-5 seconds for block to come off instead of pressing LS cuz I’m doing a big pull next
sweet summit
thats where lucid major would be pog
novel ruin
Conflict major though
sweet summit
aw
novel ruin
Or even VoP
sweet summit
im a huge fan of lucid major
but im not entirely sold on CnS in most keys yet
CnS in JY, TD and maybe Atal is what im doing
novel ruin
Nice in ML and Ur
sweet summit
on underrot too yeah
novel ruin
And Siege
sweet summit
what does CnS stop in siege? smallies?
novel ruin
And lots of fleeing enemies in Siege when you trying to kill em with bolster
I mean spotter
Lots of mobs in monkey town flee
sweet summit
thats fair, but i dont think we need it tbh
warm plinth
Yeah UR 100%; stopping bloodswarmers in their tracks is 👌
sweet summit
yeh youre probably right
sweet summit
youll get it next week
novel ruin
But 2 peeps got 24 JY on chest this week
warm plinth
Oh yeah didn't think of skeles. But we have a hunter so we just soothe the wicked frenzy if one does go off
novel ruin
So time those and do the 25 to start with 24s next week
warm plinth
Not that we have a prot war tank anyway but I'm doing the keys in my mind
novel ruin
Reflect is huge on wicked frenzy
novel ruin
Kills themself then chain the skeletons into next witch
He only casts the frenzy if there are skeletons around
I get so tilted when I tell people I’ll handle the speaker myself and y’all kick bone shield and someone stuns frenzy
sweet summit
yeah if you have two DKs you can wombo combo everything 😎
sweet summit
the DH does it for dps :^)
novel ruin
I think spell reflect is gonna be HUGE for Fury and Arms, Moreso than how big it is for Prot
limpid pawn
prot is still gonna be good
thye gonna release some shit like benthics/corruption/azerite and bandaid all our problems asap
maybe first patch it will be rough
but i guarantee you some shit is coming out like that
sweet summit
i really hope thats not the case
woven venture
I run C&S major in every key because on every trash pull that has a rootable enemy the double vers keeps me at 75%+ vers minimum
warm plinth
Yeah but you still want to purge the wicked frenzy off of the skeleton as soon as possible because they'll just reapply it on the second melee
Soothe*
limpid pawn
C&S major on high keys is tits
warm plinth
You only reflect one application of it, not the entire thing
sweet summit
yeah i know how CnS works
limpid pawn
like 50% DR
woven venture
I reflect frenzy hit then leap out so my druid can find and soothe
limpid pawn
permanent stronger than shield wall
warm plinth
Yeah that's what I would do as well Josh
quick orchid
@limpid pawn explain
sweet summit
CnS is a lot of vers when you have a lot of vers3% corruptions
the root activates the double vers gained from the major every time something is rooted so its even more vers
novel ruin
CnS major with Aegis minor and pull 5+ targets everytime for big vers. Then show your back to purposefully fall underneath 35% hp and get MASSIVE vers
ionic fern
That's some big brain.
novel ruin
High risk high reward ^^
strong forum
i keep forgetting about the doubled vers below 35% ngl
sweet summit
REAL gamers play aegis major
toxic remnant
Flame for visions master race
limpid pawn
@quick orchid this is the hardest week possible for mythic + meaning most casual/bad people aren't going to be able to do the keys themselves which may be possible on easier push weeks. Thus, the demand for carries are the highest. I am one of the most successful independent carry sellers on my realm. profits are MASSIVE
strong forum
boosting during bolstering explosive
limpid pawn
i undercut all other sellers hardcore and will work for the lowest price possible because I pug the group mostly except for 1 strong ass mage dps
strong forum
F
limpid pawn
have clients bulk buy each week and have huge friends list of buyers that are repeat customers every week. i've reached the ultimate endgame
strong forum
how many death threats per day do you get from boosting communities
limpid pawn
a lot
strong forum
yup
quick orchid
How much do you charge per run?
limpid pawn
been removed from gallywix and starlight because they lost all their business to me on my server
depends, I will go as low as it takes to get all the customers
120k per run but the very second I see anyone charge the same im going 100k and so forth
tame garden
strong forum
and you keep all the gold to yourself / between you and the mage
limpid pawn
yes
strong forum
nice cucking over the randoms
limpid pawn
if I don't bring mage on an easier week, then all the gold for me
actually no. the randoms receive the best pug 15 they've ever gotten in their lives
nobody plays harder than someone with gold on the line - quote me on that
strong forum
except theyre boosting 1 dude that does borderline nothing, and youre getting paid for it and they arent
limpid pawn
I play like 300+ APM with my adrenal glands PUMPING because I can't fail or they get a refund
right but the runs have a 99% success rate thus far, often times 2+ the key
i've carried over 3000 players since WoD at this point
tame garden
Do the unpaid boosters at least know it's a boost
limpid pawn
if I had a choice between a normal pug 15 with average players, or me and my mage with 1 carry, i'd go with the second choice every single time
sometimes yes sometimes no. they are gonna do the run regardless b/c of my IO and mage's IO
i join the key, demand lead and say i'm going to invite big dps + friend
answer is 99% of the time yes
tame garden
Wild
limpid pawn
i make sure that the run goes amazing - win / win for all
i even ask the key owner each run "do you regret inviting me?" - answer is always GG THANKS FOR THE CARRY
toxic remnant
How much more profitable is than lets say, flip burgers at McD's and selling tokens?
limpid pawn
depends on how much you place value on other stuff in this game such as the massive amount of echoes farmed
practicing the dungeon a ton, etc
limpid pawn
yeah, even if burgers + token is same rate as my gold, id rather play wow
you get to sit down, air condition, eat, take breaks, nap, etc
at mcdonalds you're a slave
tame garden
And retail jobs suck ass lol
limpid pawn
so mcdonalds same?
civic rover
i work at a local grocery store and it's not so bad
strong forum
obv it sucks ass cuz customers are terrible
civic rover
but it isn't like a huge company
limpid pawn
oh, mage is my wife btw. so we both bought nzoth mount this week lol
(2 mil a piece)
civic rover
i work in the back so i never see any customers 😎
tame garden
Theres a guy on my realm that does a similar thing with raids, fills pugs then sells slots at raden and nzoth
Didnt know it would also work for dungeons
limpid pawn
i do it too with ra'den
nzoth too much effort or i'd do it too
i sold the violet spellwing exactly like that to 500+ customers
same thing w/ grove warden
brought 4 carries in a STACKED group of pugs
made B A N K
civic rover
i sold enough 5 masks to get a brutosaur and then stopped
civic rover
do you make your gold solely off of carries?
tame garden
Do you even need more gold at this point
limpid pawn
i do sell auction house but just stuff I scrap
civic rover
it's just so efficient imo
limpid pawn
the gold makes the game much easier. don't need it obviously
but It helps us STUNT. like full tier3, all the good TCG mounts
tame garden
Once you have 10+ gold caps how could you even spend it all
civic rover
like 5masks, advertise in tradechat for 5 minutes, get someone, spend like at most 25 minutes running around killing stuff, get 150k gold
limpid pawn
every huge mount like bruto/spider on day 1
5 masks price is a bit low to be efficient atm, its like 60k per run on my server
but we will do it if no other option
civic rover
i did them a lot earlier on so i could charge more
limpid pawn
we bought cutting edge/nzoth mount b/c the guild we are in = inting like crazy on nzoth atm
vital stratus
Quick item question:
465 Boots with crit haste OR 475 boots with crit vers - I lose 3% haste (from 33% to 30%) but gain 2% vers (from 9% to 11%)
Go for higher ilvl even with a haste loss?
civic rover
probably higher ilvl
strong forum
generally ilvl
the vers is irrelevant and you have somewhat enough haste to spare the drop
limpid pawn
i even bought brutosaurs for a couple good friends who I thought deserved it
can buy my entire raid brutosaurs but I won't
strong forum
tfw never owned more than 1.4mil and currently rocking that 33k gold for a couple weeks
oh yeah
im somewhat of a baller
limpid pawn
b a l l i n
civic rover
the guild im in formed like 5 or 6 weeks ago, like 14 people dipped out of a toxic guild, one of them I raided with in legion, asked me if i wanted to get CE (since they've been CE for like 3 months) and I said hell yeah
limpid pawn
man, CE really is like being in the right place at the right time for most people
civic rover
like week 3 or 4 we killed it with 6 people who'd never seen the fight before, including me lmao
i just have such a big friendslist, every hour someone whispers me asking me to do something
limpid pawn
I do mechanics near perfect now (I am psychus 2 tank which I hear is the hardest one) - and it's down to a science
i get hit by zero corrupted viscera, drop anguish perfect, have never been touched by a beam
civic rover
it's a very very scripted fight yeah
limpid pawn
but my guildies, they are dying to the above even after 300+ pulls only reaching secret phase once at pull 250 and never again
limpid pawn
so i can't be assed to risk my cutting edge like that - that is why I bought the mount
civic rover
thats understandable tbh
limpid pawn
I know i'm not the issue
like you could transplant me into a top 100 guild, I know 100% i would tank it no problem
civic rover
so dont ppl selling it
don't they have to charge for the mount too no matter what
since there's a pretty good chance of the buyer getting it anyway
or in some cases guaranteed?
limpid pawn
i am not sure about the RNG in dropping, but payment is made up front
toxic remnant
Guaranteed if all else in the group already has it
civic rover
i got the mount my second kill
limpid pawn
I have some really good connections - no other way I could secure this mount for 2 mil a piece
i believe it's worth like 4+
civic rover
how much do you think a full mythic clear is?
novel ruin
we sell for 5mil with mount
civic rover
thats not bad tbh
limpid pawn
the price is the price- w/e people are willing to pay
i aint hating on it, it's hard to do
novel ruin
we do double nzoth carries
limpid pawn
AOTC mount as a guild is easy to sell
as a pug, not that easy
not on the same level as archimonde and argus
those were a complete joke to pug
civic rover
remember kiljaeden lol
limpid pawn
you could skip phases with enough dps
that is the sign of a clownfiesta pug boss
like a good lust + big dick dps and your hard mechanic = =skipped lol
limpid pawn
lmao
civic rover
because in heroic most groups just zerged him before it happened
limpid pawn
"guys what's happening? i think it's bugged these guys are hostile!"
civic rover
and i was like "hey why's this guy running to me, wait why cant i control my character"
but yeah, i got a lot of easy gold selling 5mask runs, and my guild plans to sell AotC/CE mounts at the very end of the xpac when the prices will go up again
civic rover
everyones gonna be like "wait we have a week to get these oh god oh fuck"
limpid pawn
also the big secret to customers IMO - is charging roughly below what 1 token is worth for whatever you are doing
it's actually inting to try and get more
like logically, what is happening is people are buying 1 token with their spare change
and buying a run per week
civic rover
i just looked at what the big communities were charging
limpid pawn
the run costs more than a token, guess who isn't buying
limpid pawn
i literally don't have enough time in my day to carry all the people that want carries from me lol
civic rover
are you on a smaller server?
limpid pawn
i'm on tichondrius so no, hugest server there is
civic rover
oh shit
limpid pawn
if I get to a million gold in a day I just stop, no point really
civic rover
im sitting at like 600k rn, don't really spent gold on anything besides consumables and occasional tmog anyway
limpid pawn
that's enough to raid and do everything you need to TBH
only point of higher amounts is to flex on people
with mounts
also dumb tbh, but whatever i'm dumb
civic rover
i already got the flex mount
strong forum
the only shit ill ever care about would be T3
thats like a livelong dream, next to R1 title
strong forum
everything else has no meaning
limpid pawn
F L E X
strong forum
ya ikno
limpid pawn
all those hours I farmed, was for this moment
strong forum
more and more people have it
limpid pawn
so dumb im going to go re-evaluate my life
civic rover
what am i supposed to be looking at
limpid pawn
lmao, not a flex if people don't recognize what it is
civic rover
heres my tmog lmao
limpid pawn
das cute mane
civic rover
i was thinking, you know, how can i brighten everyones day in a time where keys are being depleted everywhere
limpid pawn
i've become a furry, so I think im going to make a panda too at some point
limpid pawn
what does it look like
civic rover
gallywix is so expensive
probably get a lot of customers just by having the price upfront in your advertisement
limpid pawn
yes I do
no community is able to afford to undercut me
and i welcome all other small independent carriers like myself to go lower
but they usually smart and keep it the same or even higher lol
civic rover
i didn't like realize
how big the market is for boosting until i started doing it
there's a surprisingly large amount of people willing to pay gold for it
limpid pawn
the most important lesson I learned was that if it takes even a miniscule amount of effort, someone will pay gold for you to do it
civic rover
yep
i used to boost for a small community in legion but never really got into it
then i realized early in 8.3, 5 masks is easy gold
limpid pawn
i do my weekly azshara heroic farm for my wife, sell 2 spots in the group for 15k a piece
civic rover
at least in the beginning
limpid pawn
font drops, sell that shit for 100k+
doing heroic ra'den, sell spots to come, offer funnel spots, if no funnels, then sell unguent caress for like 200k+
civic rover
so many ppl i know have been trying to get trinkets from that raid
limpid pawn
lollll
civic rover
meanwhile my monk has a titanforged mythic urchin
civic rover
that i got on my first kill lmao
limpid pawn
i still go weekly for the dream but idk
civic rover
when people are using the trinkets in the next raid tier, probably means they're pretty good
civic rover
fire mage go brrrr
tidal sky
hey all, should I purify honed mind 3, or echoing void 1?
warm plinth
Honed Mind 3 probably
woven trellis
fine
tame garden
shield block and laugh
woven trellis
ill try it
languid light
What should I do to solo tank that elemental on the bridge in Sots? I tried solo tanking him and he didnt cast the single target spell.
strong forum
you have everybody stay out of line of sight
woven trellis
where should i snap the dino pack btw
tame garden
assuming youre EU youll wanna snap once then snap again after the saurids drop sanguine
if youre on na you dont wanna do that pack on bolstering unless you seperate the saurid first
woven trellis
yeah im on eu
warm plinth
Can also try the gigasnap at the start if you are with a practiced group lol
Then sanguine is a non-issue
woven trellis
like
i just went into normal dungeo to try stuff out
and
if i do a snap
itll drop 4 sanguine under me
if i leave before the saurid die
itll drop sanguine all over
warm plinth
Yes, you jump out of the snap point as the mobs die
warm plinth
Leaves the sanguine behind, and the remaining mobs will insta-snap to you again
woven trellis
about the dinomancer kisho
warm plinth
It still makes the majority of the pull safer, which is the entire point of snapping saurids in the first place
warm plinth
Yeah but you don't pull that pack unless you separate them from the saurids
So you just focus dinos first since they have more HP, and kick dino might
tame garden
sanguine takes a couple seconds to spread/activate
you have plenty of time to leave the snap after the saurids die
without taking any dmg or healing mobs
novel ruin
you can snap saurids to the front of the dungeon and sanguine will fall up top
rather than on yourself
only thing is you need either a misdirection or tricks
tame garden
ye if you have one
pastel sleet
aight. so lingering shell or rezans. ive been running rezans now for months and i really like it but i see a lot of prot running shell in m+
limpid pawn
shell + vita for low keys
shell + alchemist stone + verse set for highe rkeys
don't @ me
mellow patio
Shell for low keys
mellow patio
limpid pawn
so you go into the awakened pillar for fear guy
those little guys are all over you
your healer is an azralon pug
you pop shell and you good
you go into awakened pillar for hero breaker
alternate demo should + ignore pain and LPS for spirit breakers
you good
mellow patio
You good without shell in all those situations
limpid pawn
azralon healer so no
mellow patio
What is low here 15? Lol
limpid pawn
because I don't trust azralon healer
steep bone
there's HUUGE idfference between those two
mellow patio
I sometimes run it for lower keys because I am a lazy turd who forgets to Change his gear
But that does not mean I am not just that: a turd
Low keys PUMP THE FANG
pastel sleet
im pushing 19s, for reference
mellow patio
kill mobs before they kill you
mellow patio
Eh if you aren’t using shell pretty much on cd it isn’t really worth it
bronze sable
I got a 470 Merektha's in my chest.. should i be happy or disappointed lol
steep bone
both
mellow patio
It is a meme cause you can’t block during the channel
steep bone
could be shield or better trinket
mellow patio
But you can smoke some mobs
bronze sable
fack
limpid pawn
what a joke man, 55% DR
mellow patio
I frequently use fang to shit on mobs in 15s
mellow patio
Yeah not worth it until you do a massive pull, stun, and do 5 million damage
bronze sable
so not worth on bolstering lol
still pagoda
Not worth anywhere
pastel sleet
tyr, bolster, exp
mellow patio
Gross
still pagoda
Yes. Next week is bolstering
bronze sable
alright ill retire the fang lmao
mellow patio
I will not accept that fang is not worth anywhere. If you are in average content it’s a fun trinket to use lmao that’s all I’m saying
still pagoda
@bronze sable just use vita and rezan
main vault
TD on demand is always worth
bronze sable
yeah ill keep it to use for fun lower runs lol
still pagoda
If you don't want to meme
mellow patio
Pull whole dungeon, gas whole dungeon
still pagoda
Memes and shit? FANG GOES BRRRR
mellow patio
Playing world of Warcraft at this point in the expac should be all memes lul
main vault
Pmuch is all a meme
main vault
There is only one m+ week left anyways
mellow patio
At this point I am just gearing alts for SL leveling
mellow patio
Big Shirley the bdk is on the leveling grind
late notch
At what % is it better to take crit/vers over haste
still pagoda
@late notch never enough haste
late notch
I do love haste, but I'm at 50% right now
still pagoda
50% baseline?
late notch
Yes
mellow patio
50% without ITF?
warm plinth
Ohhh, I was gonna say jesus dude