protection

[strong forum]

so yah

[sick sentinel]

only 2 more dungeon, for mount

[strong forum]

go get it tiger

[sick sentinel]

TD and undersuck

[split wyvern]

You got this

[novel ruin]

@strong forum Yeah, I wish I was as good as Nerf :/ Maybe one day

[strong forum]

hes not even that great at prot

[knotty fiber]

I wish I was good

[strong forum]

just good at playing dungeons

[novel ruin]

One of the best tank players in the world though

[strong forum]

🤷‍♂️ idk

havent watched him enough to be able to say anything bout that

everytime i tune in theyre about to take a 20min+ break

[novel ruin]

Yeah he is super busy with his newborn.

[vital stratus]

He sounds like he is a teenager haha

But he is good

[obtuse yoke]

yeah he's a great warrior great player

[upper violet]

Nerf?

[undone sun]

As in captain leech?

[novel ruin]

Yeah

[fierce bobcat]

if we're planning around a 25 minute clear of FH, would a good lust timing be big first pull, council, then harlan?

[novel ruin]

Either council or pull around council

[fierce bobcat]

like get a big pull around council and lust on it then clear council without lust?

[novel ruin]

This week I CCed the two Harpooners and then pulled the rest of that middle pack into the pat and top left pack with lust

[fierce bobcat]

cool thx gonna try it out, just now starting to even plan these things out in advance lol.

[novel ruin]

Then doing double ob on Harlan is pretty free with good communication

[serene furnace]

Hello all, I have a question regarding corruption. I have 56 corruption resist on my warrior (new player). should I go for 2 x td2 which I can buy in a couple hours since I have 11000 echoes? or should I do 2 x it1, 1 x td2, and an expedient and spend echoes to increase the corruption resist? I have 2 x it1 and an expedient3 in my bank

[strong forum]

TD2 costs 10k

so you can buy 1

[serene furnace]

Oh shit

I meant 20k my bad

[untold owl]

I was actually about to ask a similar question. I know the typical build is IT1x2 +TD.. So does that mean getting IT1x2 is more important than having TD? Like I know what the goal is, but what is the priority on the way while leveling cloak resistance?

I feel like the Malefic Cores being sold by Mother makes catching up way easier, but it really complicates the decision making process lol, like it's one thing to decide what corruption to spend your echoes on, but now you have to balance that with the cores and not overspend to avoid not having enough when your corruption goes on sale

Wait! I know how to solve this with math. I'll be back lol

[strong forum]

TD > IT > stat%

thats the prio if you wanna buy stuff

IT and stat% are fillers until you can equip more TD

[onyx vessel]

or dont buy td

and farm it

save a shit load of echoes

[strong forum]

and then uninstall like a true champion

[onyx vessel]

kekw

i just use full vers cuz i dont trust my trash healers

then they dont do dps

[fierce bobcat]

the vendor changes at 10pm server time?

[untold owl]

I'm honestly so tempted to run full vers, I don't push high keys yet at all though. I just want to get all the 15s done.. But Im tempted cuz I feel like full vers just sounds easier

[strong forum]

in 18hrs

atleast for EU

[untold owl]

Server time depends on server, it's 10pm central in us

[strong forum]

NA should be in like 8 minutes or smth, or already did

[woven trellis]

well im having only 2x IT1 @Balzar, with a gear 470, only Crit haste, and i already timed half of the key in 17s this week

took back my warrior 2 weeks ago, rly not optimized

i have no TD, no versatile on my gear, no versatile corru

[untold owl]

Yeah I think I need to just learn the dungeons more than I need to improve gear

[woven trellis]

probably y

[strong forum]

knowledge > gear/corruptions

[untold owl]

Definitely agree with you there, but I'd still love to make it as easy as possible on myself :)

[strong forum]

people are struggling to time 15s but have 480 gear and full meta comp and everything

meanwhile you can time 15s with full group being 450ilvl from last patch if you know what youre doing

[woven trellis]

@strong forum can you tell that to the group that invited me for a TD17s, then looked at my gear, and then told me my gear wasnt good enough for 17s, i have timed half the dungeons in 17s

can you tell them skill is more important than gear

[strong forum]

pug life

[untold owl]

Lmao, you didn't want that group anyway bro

[strong forum]

bad people doing bad things

i cant stress this enough, if you can, dont pug

[untold owl]

Yeah if I ever get kicked for a really dumb reason, I just thank them for saving my time

[fierce bobcat]

keymaster achieve is complete every dungeon at 15 or they all have to be timed?

[strong forum]

and if you are, try making friends with people that seemed good and stop pugging

[untold owl]

Have to be timed

[strong forum]

all timed

[woven trellis]

they all timed 20s, they were not THAT toxic, and they had no shame tellimg me i wasnt gear enough, they told me i should do more 14s

[fierce bobcat]

damn ok that's a bit harder haha something to work towards at least

[strong forum]

we had a 420ilvl pally tank a 16

this season

so if youre anywhere near 460ilvl+, youre fine for a 17 lmao

[woven trellis]

im 475 dude

[strong forum]

yeah so whats their issue huh?

[woven trellis]

no corru

i mean

[strong forum]

doesnt matter for shit

[woven trellis]

i ave IT1x2

and that it

yeah but

the guy had an experience with a 480 ilvl ful versa making him fail a 14

so im paying for this

[untold owl]

I have IT2x1 lol.. Didn't buy it, just got it on my gear

[strong forum]

thing is with pugs, they have a broad variety of people to choose from

so obv they want the best they can get

but for a 17 kicking somebody cuz of gear or corruptions is just a 2iq move

[woven trellis]

but man, i timed 6 17s with very medium groups in pugs

[untold owl]

Yeah very true

[woven trellis]

i think that prove i can do it

[strong forum]

especially if youve done 20s before

[fierce bobcat]

i mean you'll do less dmg without TD but if they're all stacked 480s ur lower dmg shouldn't break the run lol

[strong forum]

like, you can easily carry bad people through 17s

[untold owl]

Yeah I'd be more concerned with io than corruption

[strong forum]

if youre experienced

but they were just stupid

nothing to get hung up upon

cant wait for bfa to die

[woven trellis]

well i have 2k2 rio, i had 0 2 weeks ago and i had no stuff

so i think thats fair

for a 17

[strong forum]

is aight

above average already

[woven trellis]

well

i got back in wow telling myhself i wanted to time everything at least 20s, maytbe 22s beforeSL

but ppl are giving me a hard time

[strong forum]

You still have several months left

Should be easy enough

But yeah, from what I'm hearing pugging as tank is currently the absolute worst it has ever been

[woven trellis]

no if people dont invite me for 17s while i already timed half in 17s

its not that bad

actually

because when i am invited

it goes pretty well if they dont do major mistake

i know the fast routes

i know how to kite, how to interrupt, how to sequence, i mean i just know the sht

i mean, i thought i could just time everything in 16s, then 17s, then 18s etc

but im touching some wall here

im never accepted in any 18s

and rarely in 17s

[strong forum]

Start doing your own key

And you invite the people

You can then do the declining

The easiest way to get rio fast is to push 1 key really high

then start snowballing off of the high key you got

[woven trellis]

i know

its just the last 2 key i got were rly not appealing at all

easy lame key i already timed

[strong forum]

So

Easy way to get a +19 or +20 out of it

And a depleted 20 is more score than a timed 18

And then you have another 19 to time/deplete

[woven trellis]

nowadays finding people that accept to do a non timed key is very hard

[strong forum]

You don't have to tell them beforehand

What if its their first time aswell

[novel ruin]

You are going to get bad keys and bad pugs

[strong forum]

In those numbers

[novel ruin]

just do em

[strong forum]

Can't avoid both ye

[woven trellis]

i never leave

they do

[strong forum]

Unluck,

Go again

If you really want that io

You just gotta play alot

[woven trellis]

70 dungeons in 2 week

feels like a lot to me

ok, more like in 20 days

[main vault]

That’s only 3.5 a day

[civic rover]

I’d really suggest finding a consistent group to push keys with

Makes it more fun and less stressful

[limpid pawn]

Yeah, I agree

[sick sentinel]

I understand why you hate fort image of zip now

Zul

He beat crap outta me on a 15

[woven trellis]

shadow of zul does insane damage

i dont even understand how they beat that in 25s and more

[main vault]

Lust

[sick sentinel]

Hey all. I’m a 475 mythic raid tank who is still building my haste/TD on my gear. I have 60% haste with Into the Fray, and 1 TDx3. My question, is that viable to push into the high teens for keys? Or should I be more Verse built? I feel like it’s too late in bfa to work on a complete revamp of gear just to push 17,18, 19, or even a 20.

[grand drum]

Its fine for <20

[undone sun]

Verse is only really for mid 20s, so roughly 24+

[sick sentinel]

Yeah I don’t plan on getting that high at all

Oh also, I have a socketed 460 Vita, 470 Nzoth Shell, and 475 wrath trinket. I feel bad having the vita in my bags. Should I be swapping them out according to boss? I feel like for Skit and I can swap out the Psychic Shell for Vita, and possibly Drest when we do him this week.

[primal dune]

TD does 35-40% of my overall damage, does that mean if I stack vers to 50%, I can replicate my TD damage and more?

Switch psychic shell for dragon scale

Vita procs more haste averaged out

And boosts raid

[sick sentinel]

Verse is only really for mid 20s, so roughly 24+
@undone sun i'm looking at someone's profile who's doing 16-17-18's and hes got 17% versa, didn't do all timed 15's yet tho

I used shell for Wrath and Maut because 1, first time attempting those and was scared, and 2, that second Searing breath and anything after 2 stacks on Maut were both hurting

a Pwarrior

[proper sigil]

is there a way to track shield block using details?

[primal dune]

Buff uptime

Arguably the stat by itself is useless

[sick sentinel]

I would love a WA that tracks every time i block doge or parry and adds a counter each time

[primal dune]

You’d want % of physical hits blocked

Ever dodged 2 deliberating backhands in a row?

[proper sigil]

would need to go to warcraft logs for that?

[sick sentinel]

Those fucking hurt lol

[primal dune]

Then hit a mad dab

Yes

But that’s the only useful stat

[proper sigil]

alright thanks

[sick sentinel]

i been thrown out of arena by brrutal backhand

[primal dune]

Same

[sick sentinel]

i also got my ass beat when i got the debuff and let him hit me

[primal dune]

When the barrel thru person positions in the middle of the room, it’s honestly a guess I’ll die moment

[sick sentinel]

My buddy is a 475 verse tank and we ran a 16 WC today. On Goliath boss he was top heals because of Ignore pain for like 2M

[primal dune]

But he’s not doing damage

[sick sentinel]

I’m just curious as to when ignore pain became a heal. Isn’t it an absorb?

[primal dune]

I run full TD and I can tank 40 stacks on a 16 tyrannical

[sick sentinel]

more damage you do, the less monsters and bosses get a chance to deal damage to you

[primal dune]

It’s counted as heal in metres

[sick sentinel]

Interesting

He doesn’t even run Ignore pain in talent, he runs Bolster.

Does IP scale with Verse or something?

[primal dune]

You’re not suppose to run that talent unless you’re convinced you might die

The size does

[sick sentinel]

like megaman bosses, all of them are usually on a set patern and do the same attacks at roughly the same time over and over, the longer you allow the fight to go on and things to get out of control, the more power he has over group.

He’s at 50% verse or something like that

thats why you need to do dmg as tank, if you don't kill it, it will kill you.

[primal dune]

With TD 5 IT 2 I can pull 45k to 60k in a dungeon

[sick sentinel]

i only have td2 ATM, i had td3 because i had td1 on weapon, but i got a better weapon

[primal dune]

I can drop 1 IT for rank 6 TD

[sick sentinel]

I have TD4 I think right now

i got 18k echoes, and i'm being told save them for a td3

2 on bracers, 1 on weapon and 1 on pants

[primal dune]

It’s technically more echo efficient, but it doesn’t matter

[sick sentinel]

i could get a td2 right now, if i chose to do so

[primal dune]

Since you’re stacking TD, it doesn’t matter that you have to have rank 3 on every gear like with severe, since corruption budget doesn’t allow it

And since you have shit load of echos, it makes no difference

[sick sentinel]

my cloak is +95 i think

[primal dune]

Cap is 104

[sick sentinel]

Get it to 104

So buy the cores

[primal dune]

The 9 resist doesn’t make a difference if you don’t have 2 ITs already

[sick sentinel]

i already got the 2 it1's

[primal dune]

From memory I’m on 35 witht TD5

[sick sentinel]

https://raider.io/characters/us/area-52/Tankian

[primal dune]

If you run TD 4 then there shouldn’t be a problem

Cuz you only have TD 2 rn

[sick sentinel]

i haven't removed the gloves or weapon corruption yet because im low on haste, and the gloves one is just filler really

[primal dune]

Just buy it now so you do more damage this week

[sick sentinel]

don't save for r3?

[primal dune]

When’s r3 on sale

[sick sentinel]

i know corrupt goes away, but this is the time i need to know if its better to get 2 td2's or get 1 td3 in a week

24th has td2, (today) and 31st (7 days) has td3 10k and 15k respectively

[primal dune]

2 TD 2s for you right now I would argue

Since you can get to rank 6 TD And IT 1

[sick sentinel]

so, get 2 td2, erase gloves and weapon, put them on and get 104 cloak?

[primal dune]

Shouldn’t even need 104

101 should do the trick

[sick sentinel]

just 1 it1?

[primal dune]

What’s the corruption of IT 1 again?

Yes

[sick sentinel]

12 for 1

30 for 2

30% v 50% cdr

[primal dune]

You do need 104 resist

Just did the math

I’d say do it now since this week is a good push week

Basically you’re trading clap every GCD for another rank of TD

[sick sentinel]

i'm thinking about trying to get my TD 15 this week

it seems like a really easy week

[primal dune]

TD 15 for prot is cancer

Go int a bunch of rando’s 12-14 TDS first

[undone sun]

@sick sentinel having verse on gear is fine, it's referring to stacking amps

17% can come naturally

[primal dune]

Need to LoS constantly to pull adds out of puddles

[sick sentinel]

i'll probably rely on utility classes

[primal dune]

What are we discussing about this guy?

[civic rover]

this is a pretty shit week for TD tbh

[umbral ibex]

7xTD 2IT1's 60 corrup, can't wait till next reset

[civic rover]

even though it's generally an easy week, sanguine+quaking in tight corridors in pugs is no fun

[sick sentinel]

he had 17% versa, and we swapped r.io profiles on another discord, he was also a Pwarrior and i saw 17% versa, cuz he is doing around keys that i am, and i wanted to see what he was doing

[primal dune]

He’s got versatile 2

He’s got 600 tank IO

[civic rover]

no TD

[sick sentinel]

hmm

[primal dune]

The mans using a cluster fuck of corruptions

[sick sentinel]

okay, so what you are saying is do not follow this mans advice

[primal dune]

God no

[tame garden]

hes literally done 4 dungeons

as prot

[primal dune]

Even his fury main major is wrong

He’s running ST essence in dungeons

And he does have rank 3 BotE

[sick sentinel]

i'll be back 45 ish minutes max, gunna go attempt ur 15

[primal dune]

Watch dps die to spit you mean

[sick sentinel]

i'll let u know how it goes after run

[kind spindle]

@sick sentinel you over thinking it like I did. Just slap some TD on some 475 pieces and call it a day. Being slot efficient on a TD build is kinda silly considering 7 TDs is all you can run and stay under 59 anyways. Unless your really into min/maxing you're only hurting your dps now for such a minor difference later.

[pastel sleet]

how do i survive a 19 fortified shadow of zul if im running td6

[sick sentinel]

group is bad lol

https://raider.io/characters/us/bleeding-hollow/Iwanttamales

Any recommendations for changes before I push further into M Nya next week?

[civic rover]

uh

dont use anima minor

expedient corruptions are alright but try to get IT when its up again

besides that there's nothing that looks super bad

[warm plinth]

You probably have better options than Moment of Glory on the inner ring I'm sure

Wow, only on one piece actually XD

On chest you should take resounding protection instead of Moment of Glory

[sick sentinel]

How many ITs should I be using? @civic rover

[civic rover]

ideally two rank 1s

very corruption efficient for a good proc\

[sick sentinel]

Ok so just one more

I can do that

Been saving for exp3 to come back

[onyx vessel]

Stacking haste just feels meh

Aww shit i fucked up ded

Stacking vers

= healer dps

When you do a 18 temple die 2 times in a 40+ death run get blamed for it going to shit

[amber siren]

just dont wipe

[onyx vessel]

I mean we reset the 1st boss 4 times

Healer kept dying

[kind spindle]

I got the cursor sticking bug the other day in a 16 SotS and wiped us. Got called trash by one of the dps and they left. Bricking my key. Tank life. Lol.

[steep bone]

pugs expect you to be world first key pusher in low keys

[sick sentinel]

@onyx vessel do you stack verse in Mythic Nya?

[novel ruin]

no

[steep bone]

you don't need verse in mythic nya, unless you've pepega healers that doesnt heal then you might need some

[sick sentinel]

Nah our heals are fine

[sick sentinel]

I guess my last question currently is with my build, should I be using Bolster or Never surrender. 8 seconds of blocking all attacks sounds wonderful, but IP is also very good.

[novel ruin]

Never Surrender isnt the best talent. Pretty underwhelming. Bolster is mainstay 95% of the time

[sick sentinel]

Gotcha. Will be using that from now on.

[novel ruin]

@sick sentinel so your defensive rotation is block > block > block > Last stand > block > block

with bolster

[sick sentinel]

When should I be using IP?

When I have extra rage?

[novel ruin]

as filler

yes

[sick sentinel]

Gotcha

[novel ruin]

make sure you have rage available for shield block

[sick sentinel]

Yeah I prioritize block and if I have rage while Block is up then I’ll IP

But never choose IP over Block

[novel ruin]

for 95% of situations, yes

for certain bosses and mobs you dont really block

when they are all magic damage

like Shadow of Zul in KR, last 2 bosses in ML

[sick sentinel]

Ilgy is another like that

[steep bone]

Doesnt zul melee in between casts?

[undone sun]

yes

the vast majority of the damage is from shadow barrage though

this is from a 27 https://i.imgur.com/elMWQLR.png

[steep bone]

On certain key level do You actually block or that damage is not worth it and its better to get IP?

[novel ruin]

Maybe during lucid window

[undone sun]

https://i.imgur.com/1WGCTxw.png

[novel ruin]

But if not running lucid or after lucid you need that rage for IP

[sick sentinel]

Lucid is viable over vision?

I figured as a tank we generate enough rage through our own abilities or getting crushed by bosses lol

[analog swift]

well as a general rule

vision >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lucid tbh

a few circumstances i'd say that changes, if you're running 0 ineffables then lucid gains value, not a lot but some. If you're running w/ a firemage and doing mongoloid pulls around combust and you need some juice at that point it can be good

it's also not bad during workshop or KR where it's very obviously one easy pull one hard pull with a direct cadence and there's zul where you need a fuck ton of rage to dump into ignore pain

we generate enough rage for shield block which is what you want for 98% of content

[civic rover]

lucid is good if you're in a coordinated group and doing massive pulls

[analog swift]

but not enough to keep up IP /demo shout as often as we'd like

even then unless you're pulling around 2 minute cds

it doesn't matter

[civic rover]

vision is just more damage

[analog swift]

yeah

and better defensively overall

[civic rover]

in pugs pretty much always vision, lucid has a very unique purpose outside of specific situations. i run lucid with my group in 19s and 20s but we do stuff like pull the whole beach on TD, where it gets value.

[analog swift]

yeah

tbh i still prefer cns over lucid

if i had to choose

[civic rover]

yeah

lucid is super niche but in those niche situations it's very good

[analog swift]

yeah

but

with ineffable

i don't think it's the play really at all

[civic rover]

it probably isn't

but it's funny leeching half my hp every thunderclap

[analog swift]

yeah

[royal rune]

8 x verse 3 and 1 IT 1

That's for super high keys?

[steep bone]

today corrupt vendor should change, is there any time for that?

[sick sentinel]

It was at 11pm EST

[steep bone]

11pm as in 23:00?

[undone sun]

11pm is 23:00, yes

[steep bone]

oh my god

😦

[onyx vessel]

I stack vers all the time

[steep bone]

i need some haste amps for ma lock 😦

chaos bolting in arenas ain't that fast yet

[ebon palm]

im running rank 5 dev 2 rank 1IT and 1 Rank 3 Vers and i tank 19-20's no problem

[obtuse yoke]

is there a way to see how many keys you've done so far this week on raider.io

[steep bone]

you could go key by key and check keys done since reset and just sum them up, i don't know if there's other way than that
Probably also some alt manager addons that are tracking keys done etc

[flint cliff]

Rezan or wrath trinket (same ilvl)?

[sweet summit]

Scale imo

[carmine wyvern]

what would u pick over 475maut and 470nzoth trinket for mythic+

[woven trellis]

do versatile corru benefit from CnS?

[strong forum]

@carmine wyvern literally anything over Maut trinket

Nzoth trinket is really good

Yes @woven trellis

[toxic dune]

hei guys:)
very quick question around: ROUGHLY how high should a Prot Warrios Shield Block uptime be? say on Mythic Carapace/Nzoth but ofc generally speaking as well

since i can understand not using it during Carapace P2

[strong forum]

i mean, you wanna always have block up when actively tanking

and since you dont perma tank anything, it should be close to 100% effective uptime

overal uptime doesnt matter for, since youre not using SB/Last Stand when not tanking

outside of the windows where you know you can squeeze in an SB for dmg

[toxic dune]

this is a random pull from a mythic carapace pull

let me send you another one in just a second

and yes i understand that overall uptime doesnt matte as much since u are not always on the boss tanking

[potent bear]

100% when tanking blockable damage

[strong forum]

gotta put in LS in that graph too

[toxic dune]

Last Stand? yes let me do that

[strong forum]

but using only 12 SBs in 7 minutes is kinda... very low

i mean sure theres alot of downtime

[toxic dune]

whats the interaction there between SB and LS ? (im not the tank above, so i dont know the details and just want to understand them)

[strong forum]

SB grants you 100% block and 30% shield slam damage

LS grants you 100% block for its duration when talented with Bolster

but yeah, it seems to me youre not using SB enough

the logs i checked are between 40-60% SB uptime

https://i.imgur.com/CRAZAOq.png this is what your dmg taken from melee should look like

[toxic dune]

thanks for the detailed answers about SB and LS
so you basically want to use LS when no SB is available, right? since i cant imagine you wanna use it on cd

[strong forum]

yes you wanna chain 3x SB into LS into 3x SB again

and somewhere between those casts you should not be needed to tank the boss

[woeful estuary]

I can’t seem to pug a mythic 14, I’m 471 but only 6% TD and no IT yet, is this due to a lack of skill?

[strong forum]

so you can get the CDs fully back up again

probably @woeful estuary

cuz 15s are doable in a full 450 group with gear from last patch

[toxic dune]

@strong forum where do i find the miss% and mitigated% stats in our logs?

[strong forum]

like, low keys like 15s you should not feel any threat at all

dmg taken @toxic dune

[woeful estuary]

Interesting, cause I seem to be wiping in 14 KR

[strong forum]

then youre defo doing something wrong

100%

be it playing the dungeon wrong or simply your spec

nothing below 21 should cause you to feel in any danger at all unless youre literally soloing the entire dungeon the healer not healing properly and the dps doing 0 dmg

[woeful estuary]

Interesting, alright I’ll have to figure out what’s wrong

[strong forum]

proper play is the biggest survivability gain in the game

we did a +16 with a 420 ilvl pally tank a couple weeks ago

and +2'd it

[woeful estuary]

I see

Because I seem to be wiping in the serpent room where the witch doctors I believe cast deathly chill, and I can only interrupt once and then shield block, but it does like 25% of my hp per cast

[strong forum]

its magical, you have to interrupt it alot

and so does your group

but even then, in 15s you could facetank that quite comfortably cuz it should be dead in less than 15seconds

20 seconds at best cuz everybody should be focusing on killing that caster

[woeful estuary]

So wiping is due to a personal error then?

[strong forum]

ye if youre experienced enough you can play around bad teammates

if youre having troubles timing 14s/15s you should 100% only look at yourself and think about what you can do better

[woeful estuary]

Okay

[strong forum]

once you have yourself figured out, youll notice how easy those keys actually are

even if youre topping DPS by a mile as tank

[woeful estuary]

Interesting, does it matter if I have cns as my major?

[strong forum]

its not recommended in low keys because you wanna maximise damage

generally below 20s VoP nets you more benefits offensively

[steep wraith]

Also need to make sure you dont ever pull more than 1 of those mobs at a time.

[strong forum]

didnt even think of that yea, only 1 caster at a time

[woeful estuary]

Yeah of course, I was playing with guildes so it wasn’t perfect, they pulled we died, stuff like that, and okay I’ll try that one out lol, and I’ll figure out what I’m doing wrong

[sweet summit]

Just joined in dunno if you said it, but chill is reflectable

[strong forum]

ya he mentioned

[woeful estuary]

Yeah I reflect it

[sweet summit]

Cool, good

[woeful estuary]

Yeah it was a terrible run, our guildie healer kept standing in goo and died

It’s basically writing an essay before the dungeon to make sure everyone knows what’s happening

[strong forum]

well no wonder youre wiping then

[woeful estuary]

Or should I be able to just put it

Pug*

Regardless

[strong forum]

whatever is more fun to you

i brute forced my group into becoming almost not terrible in m+

you have to make the calls, call out shit and explain it in voice if youre more knowledgable than they are

[woeful estuary]

Okay

[icy harness]

Or just play dps

They don't do anything important

[strong forum]

facts

[limpid pawn]

Kervy chances are you guys aren’t aware enough to actually see how many times that witch doctor mob is casting a spell and actually going through

One of the hugest differences between someone struggling with 15s and clearing 20+ keys is being on TOP of interrupts

You as a warrior can spell reflect one of the casts, then interrupt the next cast. You should be extremely vocal on discord about this so that nobody else in the party wastes their interrupt on it

If the caster is casting the shadow bolt volley move, this can not be safely reflected since it hits everyone. This is the highest priority interrupt spell. Just fixing this alone will fix your survivability in this dungeon but a huge amount.

[woeful estuary]

Okay, thanks I’ll get in discord with everyone

[raven knoll]

anys tipps on essences for my first 5 mask as prot war?

[sweet summit]

CoF major

[raven knoll]

how comes? is it good in there?

or just safe

[sweet summit]

you're gonna lack ST dps, so CoF major helps with that

[raven knoll]

ohh i thought youre talking about Conflict first

thanks for your help!

[lean dagger]

tried a haste build with expedient 3s, swapping stuff around for TD 5-6 and 2 ITs. after haste does it matter if crit or vers on pieces? mostly doing 15-17 range atm

or does the 2nd secondary even matter

[sweet summit]

crit is probably more damage, and it gives parry

vers isnt bad, but scales very slowly

[lean dagger]

ok was leaning towards crit anyway. TY

oh 1 more thing. Haven't had the best of luck with 1 handers but have been using a 465 fusion hacker that dropped with TD3 on it and 69 leech. Got a 475 fusion this week in chest. I have plenty of echoes to buy TD 3 next week but is the 10 ilvls worth dropping the leech?

[mellow patio]

Yes

[sweet summit]

leech is not worth as much as you think

you dont drop ilvl for it

esp not on weapons/shields

[lean dagger]

got it. thanks again

[glass pine]

Gear up? Corruptions? Essences? I’m fairly new which should I prioritize?

[mellow patio]

Can do all of them at the same time

The essences you’ll want are vision of perfection, conflict and strife, lucid dreams, sphere of suppression, and strength of the warden for a baseline set up

Get as much twilight dev corruption as you can

And equip your gear with a stat prio if ilvl>haste>crit=vers

[lament gulch]

thoughts on running 8 vers 3 1 IT1 this week still under 60?

[sweet summit]

vers yuck

[mental scarab]

Real men go full TD and pray

[strong forum]

i think it holds true that IT have more value than vers

i absolutely dont agree with tanks getting even more vers cuz its not the tanks that are dying in keys

more than 90% its the DPS that die, never the tank

so getting more than 7x Vers is pointless

[lament gulch]

i just seen both naowh and fem running 8 vers 1 it

[strong forum]

sure

but doesnt mean i have to agree with it

[lament gulch]

yeah for sure

[strong forum]

bro

https://i.imgur.com/pduEZsc.png

look at this

[modern brook]

Naowh more like naowhay

[strong forum]

this is

insane

[modern brook]

Hahaha I'm amazing

[sweet summit]

Siege yuck

[strong forum]

the universe has decided

[modern brook]

Siege is my least favorite dungeon

By a mile

[sweet summit]

Same

[strong forum]

0.00136986% chance of that happening

btw

[sweet summit]

Big math

[modern brook]

Nice calculator app nom

[distant crystal]

how'd you get that nom

i got .00137174211

🤔

[strong forum]

cuz i copied it from my chat

you really think i calced that

[distant crystal]

smh

[modern brook]

Smh

[gray knot]

Does anyone know if it is possible to have a Spell Reflect tracker like there is an interupt tracker?
Like a weakaura that says: Spell Reflected [Spell] ?

[sweet summit]

you can manually add spell reclect to most, if not all, interrupt tracker WAs

oh you mean like that

uhhh

https://wago.io/SpellReflection you have this, that you might be able to modify?

https://wago.io/H18EtIdB7 or this

[distant crystal]

yeah i have one that just shows it on my screen but

would prob be easy to modify that to go in chat instead

[gray knot]

Looking at the 2nd one now, apparently it only triggered when PvP talent shield bash was selected so changed that, testing it atm

Got it to work now, thanks! Much better to have a countdown timer when spell reflect is up and it's just nice to announce that a spell is succesfully reflected

[quiet mauve]

hey folks. i took Runecarver Sorn in shrine 20 this week and it went fine, we almost 2 chested the dungeon. I did a 21 and took him, 3 people died and they gave me a lot of flack for taking him

but it does say on Dratnos route to take him this week

[sweet summit]

sorn fucks in higher keys, even if you stand in the rune

i am not a big fan of him

[distant crystal]

don't think i've killed sorn at all this season

maybe even last season

[sweet summit]

you have shroud and/or obelisk to skip him, so why not

[quiet mauve]

well it went well in +20 but wasnt expecting it to go way worse in 1 key stone level

[sweet summit]

exactly the same group?

[quiet mauve]

no xD

[sweet summit]

yeah, healer/dpsers might not have been ready for the damage
just hoping the rune was enough to keep them alive

so didnt pre-hot/use defensive

[quiet mauve]

true

[warm plinth]

Yeah honestly he's just not worth it on higher keys. As soon as that rune isn't doing the job by itself, it becomes a huge risk to fight him in PUGs

[still pagoda]

sorn is a huge risk in pugs no matter the key

pure gamble with pugs

[chilly brook]

I've done high keys

Or rather a high Shrine

And the dude fucks you through rune

[obtuse yoke]

does anyone use zen CD trackers & noggie front end for it?

mine overlap hardcore 😦

[strong forum]

That's cuz your regular party bars are small, you can edit the icon size of the WA aswell

[still pagoda]

@obtuse yoke Increase height of your bars

it will help

i have it set up like this

[grim hornet]

which essences would you recommend for nyalotha progression?

I dont really have trouble surviving

*currently running crucible of flame major, vision of percetion, aegis of the deep and c&s as minor essences

[obtuse yoke]

@still pagoda do you use elvui?

[still pagoda]

Bartender and Shadowed Unit Frames @obtuse yoke

[limpid pawn]

Why not use Omni CD

[wispy locust]

do i need to do anything with nnoogie's front end after importing it? still doesnt show spells for me

[sweet summit]

you need the addon libroupinspect if you dont have it already

[strong forum]

Played 3 keys today

Fuck me...

Shit ain't fun anymore

Send help

[still pagoda]

@strong forum i feel ya

almost all pug keys i've done in last 2 weeks were unfinished or bricked

gotta get fun from other games ngl

[rigid sinew]

havent we had this talk before nome

mc grind

i dont even have to raid anymore everyone got their mounts

[obtuse yoke]

@wispy locust they only show up for me in keys

new issue though, if mage runs minute mage then the combust timer is wrong 😦

[woven trellis]

i just bought myself a TD2, should i position myself in a particular way to make it more damage

i dont understand so much the visual

[sweet summit]

goes forward - right-let-right-left

just face towards mobs, like you do anyway

and face away from walls in wcm and td

[formal epoch]

Any tips for best mobs/section to skip with awakened in siege of boralus? Thanks!

[woeful estuary]

Is the TD 2 worth it to buy at the shop?

[raven knoll]

yo

can someone tell me how much expulsum i need for alchemist trinket? if i never crafte it?

or how much will it cost me?

@woeful estuary it depends a TD2 + TD1 is as much dmg then a TD3. only downside is that you need to put it on more items if you go for the TD2's if thats no problem go for it

[woeful estuary]

Right now I only have a TD1 and I'd put it on my shield which is 475

[dim token]

How do I make all the adds of azerokk target me on pull?

[sharp night]

zone out and taunt/clap instantly

with portal on boss

[dim token]

Do I need to hit every mob or I just need to zone out and pull the boss quickly enough ?

[ivory topaz]

wait you can make all the azerokk adds target the tank? don't they fixate to dps anyways?

[sharp night]

just hit boss

there's a short period when people get pulled out of the other phase where the adds can't target them so if you tag the boss instantly they fixate you instead

but it's like 1 server tick so you have to do it immediately

[dim token]

Oh thanks

[ivory topaz]

can i spam clap while im channeling to exit or will it cancel the exit cast?

[dim token]

I’ll try to drop the portal on top of boss next time I guess

I can make it work sometimes, but not sure what I was missing

[lucid dew]

tank buster shouldrs or skitra

im using teh clockwork chest too

[kind spindle]

@lucid dew whatever is higher ilvl if same then skitra I believe are best in slot if you take advantage of heart of darkness

[steep bone]

Skitra shoulders are bis if you can have them on mythic

[sharp night]

CWH is equivalent to HoD

the difference is in the other traits

because OP/IV are better than EW or BS and MoG

[kind spindle]

@sharp night you right derp

[lucid dew]

yea good point

both are 475

so ill stick with skitra

[sick sentinel]

okay, i got +92 cloak, +37cr, and 20k echoes I want to drop proc mastery/haste on weapon/gloves (was filler corrupt) and i'll be at -18 then if i add td2 im at td4 and +32cr

my other corrupts are it1 (2) and 6% haste

[kind spindle]

@sick sentinel nice. You'll have enough time to get your cloak up enough to slap another TD 1 on there once it comes back around.

[fickle scaffold]

guys in ilgy what main spell should i use for eye of ny'zolth

[woven trellis]

well

1st dps on gorak fight

i think u guys were right

TD is good

im building crit haste, and i just dropped a Crit Haste Socket Legs

465

but im wearing a 470 haste mastery with no socket

how do you handle canons with sanguine in TD

[sacred nexus]

@fickle scaffold for first eye, just make sure you have ignore pain up, then spend another as it hits/depletes. for 2nd hit, use a spell reflect and nzoth trinket if you have. trinket will always be up for 2nd hit if youre swapping at 2 stacks

[buoyant walrus]

When lag freezes you in sanguine....feels bad

[warm plinth]

@ivory topaz you can spam TC as you're casting the exit channel; that's how warrior friends have told me they do it

[fickle scaffold]

tc?

@sacred nexus can i stack ignore pain twice?

[sacred nexus]

@fickle scaffold use IP just before lazer hits, then as it casts hit it again. Basically as your IP depletes spend it again

TC = thunder clap

[buoyant walrus]

For azerite trait would I want to take iron fortress or secrets of the deep?

My only options currently for the piece I have

[woven trellis]

ive timed almost everything in 17s and people still dont accept me in 18s

what should i do

they look at my gear (475) and decide its not good enough because i run crit haste

i think

[buoyant walrus]

@formal epoch I use skip after second boss and pull it all the way to spotter just before 3rd boss

[civic rover]

@woven trellis make your own group, push your own key

can't get denied from your own group

i know it's not the answer you're looking for but it's the best answer

[woven trellis]

i actually tried this advice, but only people interested my 16s key are really not ready for it, i only get like 1k4 rio ppl

and they rly rly failed almost half of mechanics

maybe its better or na

on na

[civic rover]

yeah i feel that

on NA its kinda like that but there's always qualified people, it just takes patience

but i also personally don't mind waiting 20 minutes to make a good group that actually times the key but some people don't have that kinda time (kids, wife aggro, other personal responsbilities)

[woven trellis]

oh i waited way more than that

[civic rover]

damn

[woven trellis]

i live in canada so

maybe they all sleep

xd

[civic rover]

canada plays on na servers....

[woven trellis]

(friends are in eu, so i play on eu)

[civic rover]

oh ok

well thats probably ur problem then tbh

time difference

[woven trellis]

i play quite early

[civic rover]

when its like 7:00PM i can usually get a good group together in 10 minutes

[woven trellis]

so i catch ppl plaing in the eveni

[grave lily]

if you're eu-hyjal, your gear looks fine, for what its worth

[woven trellis]

yeah thats me

but i think people got used to caviar gear

with full versatile prot warrior to tank their +15s

even gettin invited in 17s or 16 is kinda hard sometimes

got someone telin me yesterday i should just farm 14s until i get a versatile full gear

XD

[grave lily]

if anything, you need more TD

[civic rover]

lol, my favorite is when im pugging 19s and 20s and some 3/12M firemage/BMhunter/DH is telling me how to tank the dungeons

[woven trellis]

i got back on this char 2 weeks ago, so i only have 63 resist corrupt on back

its just enough for It1x2 and TD2 for now

[civic rover]

thats solid

try to get another TD2 while its up then use the rest for cloak levels

at max cloak i run 2 IT and TD5 with 35 corruption

[woven trellis]

and since i have a lot of people playing in higher keys ill stay with this until 20s, because i might switch up to versatile gear to try 22s and more after that and i need to farm echoes for that

[grave lily]

2 more bastion traits will make Avatar feel more important, if its an option

[woven trellis]

id love that

[civic rover]

when you need vers is just when you need it, no solid number, its all in comfort level

[woven trellis]

but i cant for now

i need more titan residuum

[civic rover]

i timed my first 22 with IT2, TD2, and the rest vers, and it was good, but next time I'll probably try more TD

[woven trellis]

with a group group i can def tank up to 19, maybe 20 with this non optimized gear

[civic rover]

getting a consistent group imo makes it much more fun and way less stressful

[woven trellis]

no way i get a consistent group 2 month before sl

[grave lily]

no way SL is 2 months out

[woven trellis]

early november

[civic rover]

i really like the people i play with a lot, we all bullshit in downtime and i love doing massive pulls when they actually work

[woven trellis]

they said like 2 days ago

early november for sur

so probably pre patch early octobar at its latest

i have 2 months for m+

[grave lily]

thats crazy, do we cap cloak like 2 weeks before prepatch? what a joke

[woven trellis]

well

its not like people need more anyway

[civic rover]

our characters are op enough lol

[woven trellis]

i dont think they ever thought people would go until 30+ keys anyway

xD

[near pewter]

Does top end dmg or dmg range matter for a weapon, or just dps/higher Ilvl?

like i got 465 adulation enforecer, but the top end dmg is lower than 460 faralos

[left sedge]

ive heard people are saying pre patch hittin oct 13th but no idea if confirmed

[main vault]

There will be plenty of made up dates between now and a Blizz announcement

[left sedge]

any prot warrs have a suggested weak aura to use for rotation practice?

[final bay]

@near pewter just ilvl matters

[novel ruin]

+25 Shrine, 52min over so far and on 3rd boss still xD

We were doing great on time until G35 lust pull

[civic rover]

@left sedge Luxthos has a good one

[toxic remnant]

How am I supposed to live without TD6 once they take it away from me

[civic rover]

no more 300k dps procs

😐

[warm plinth]

I got so many procs on Soul Goliath tonight; did 82k DPS on him

[toxic remnant]

I mean I'm using Last Stand as an offensive cd

[kind spindle]

I did a 30 tank heroic run earlier this week. Most fun I've had in awhile ha

[limpid pawn]

ok 300 pulls in now guys (m. nzoth)

we just entered secret phase and instantly died a few seconds in around pull 250

that was the only time we entered there, people dying to beams and evoke nonstop

should I be concerned?

[steep bone]

Yes

[limpid pawn]

like in terms of time-line how long more do we have lol

oh 2 raid nights a week, 3 hours per night

[steep bone]

Depends but id say 50 more pulls

[limpid pawn]

even though we had 50 pulls after entering secret phase never to enter it again?

[steep bone]

We re getting to secret phase consistently now with few deaths and around 130pulls (90ish for me)

[analog swift]

@limpid pawn what anguish are you dying to?

ang 4 beam 2 i assume?

[vital stratus]

For the Zandalari prot warriors out there - best loa?

Kag or bwomsomdi?

[warm plinth]

I believe most folks run Paku

[undone sun]

Smallest difference between them, paku and kimbul are common picks

[primal dune]

How is crit block chance calculated in bfa?

And where can I find it in game

[warm plinth]

It's our mastery

[primal dune]

Yeah but is there a base amount

[warm plinth]

No

[primal dune]

The only info I can find it from cata

[warm plinth]

Crit blocking is only a thing for us, and only from mastery

It's calculated as a % chance on a successful block. So basically once the game determines an attack is blocked, it does a separate roll to determine if it's going to be a crit block

[primal dune]

The mastery specifically says increases CB chance

Is there a base to that increase

Or is base 0

[warm plinth]

No, the percent you see there is the percent chance you have to crit block

Base would be 0

[primal dune]

Does enemy difficulty scale the chance

[warm plinth]

Only the amount blocked scales with mob difficulty, not the chance

And it's based on content, not individual mobs, with the k value for each type of content.

[primal dune]

Does mastery scale CB chance linearly or log

Just did some in game testing

My base block is 29.69%, using avatar brings it up to 40.49

But in the mastery tooltip, it says it increases block chance from 13.5 to 28.8

Is there a reason for that?

[sharp night]

diminishing returns

[formal epoch]

@buoyant walrus thanks!

[white lance]

So lost with the trinkets trying to gear up

[sweet summit]

stat procs, ideally haste

[opal gorge]

Hey yall, brand new Warrior, I have read through the Protection section of the FAQ and read the guide on icy veins, but is there a build right now that we focus on one stat? or is corruption just basically a get what you can priority?

Note, im also doing M+ content for the majority of my time.

[sweet summit]

ilvl>haste>crit as far as stat prio goes
you want twilight dev mainly, ineffable truth rank 1 is great we want two of those

[opal gorge]

Awesome, that is what I thought, I just wanted to throw is by people more knowledgable than me. Is echoing Void a decent one to have for the time being?

[sweet summit]

uhhh its decent ish?
but nowhere near as good as TD

[opal gorge]

Got a 60 corruption one at the moment

Yeah just starting out, so ill save up echos to replace it

Thanks @sweet summit

last question, for the third stat we favor Vers right? as that helps with our magi damage intake?

[sweet summit]

we favour vers over mast because bastion of might provides "enough" mastery

[opal gorge]

perfect!

One last question actually, which DPS spec would allign best with being a prot main?

[sweet summit]

there are very few situations where magic damage is a big threat, its not as big of a deal as you might think it is

whatever really

[opal gorge]

Very similar stat priorities?

[sweet summit]

arms only needs one weapon, but absolutely requires 3 test of might traits
fury needs two weapons but is more liberal with traits

fury favours crit over anything with cold steel hot blood traits
arms favours haste over anything with test of might traits

[opal gorge]

I see. And fury is the more...how do i say it....simpleton style of play? I remember Arms has a few buttons

[sweet summit]

both are easy to play

arms might require more micro management with when to use lucid and cs etc, but that comes naturally when playing the spec and knowing fights

[opal gorge]

Well god damn, Prot/Arms it is, Thank you for your patience @sweet summit , I know dealing with scrubs is never fun, but i appreciate the time.

[sweet summit]

no worries mate

[clear void]

hello guys! i want to play a protection warrior for mythic+ and i was wondering what the best race would be if i want to push for 0.1% optimisations. I was thinking kul'tiran for the 1% versatility and 2% healing but i have no idea

[sweet summit]

Dwarf imo

[ebon hound]

nelf/dwarf

[sweet summit]

If ur ally

Nelf too if you can/have to pull off some skips

[clear void]

So dwarf for the defensive side and nelf for the shadowmeld?

[ionic fern]

Nelf is good for cordinated skips.

Dworf is good for everything else.

[sweet summit]

Dorf big racial

Necrotic is gone 🦀

[clear void]

Thanks guys

and i'm guessing the dark iron dwarf is worse?

than regular one

[sweet summit]

It looks worse 🤢

Jkjk

Both are good

DiD provides mainstat while normal dorf is dr iirc?

[clear void]

yeah

but do i get 3000 stats for 30 stacks of necrotic or just 100? 😛

[sweet summit]

Just 200+(100 for every different dot you cleanse) i think?

[clear void]

I see

DiD has a perma 1% damage reduction from physical attacks where dwarf has a 10% damage reduction on racial use

[sweet summit]

Its such a small difference youll never think, "of i wish i went DiD instead of reg dorf" or vice versa

So just go for looks tbh

[clear void]

yeah i guess the main thing is removing necrotic?

[sweet summit]

Yep, both

Bursting too?

And resets grevious to 1 stack

Neither works on rezan beed tho :/

[kind spindle]

I swear dps are conspiring against us trying to get us to run vers builds so they don't have to see us at the top of the deeps meters.. Get into an 18 WM and one of the dps was like " y no vers corruption" "what's your vers at". I told him I had enough for an 18 and left it at that. Ended up timing it and I didn't die once. Sent him a message after saying 12% btw and never got a reply back. Lol.

[sweet summit]

dps dumb

12% is a lot of vers tho 👀

[grave lily]

18s are full of people who think they deserve to be in 24s

[strong forum]

And there's alot of people doing 24s that don't deserve doing 24s

[misty rain]

Tanking seige of boralus. The mobs that do poison just before the second to last boss. How do yall handle that without a healer that can cleanse poison?

That poison wrecks me...

[sweet summit]

the curse?

[warm plinth]

No he’s talking about the stacking poison that the third boss trash stacks on you with the infected weapons

[misty rain]

No, the "Stinging Venom" from the Ashvane Invaders.

^

[sweet summit]

oh i read second boss my bad

[strong forum]

You pray

[warm plinth]

Yeah like

[misty rain]

Cause you can't really kite... Especially this week with sanguine.

[strong forum]

Or bring a monk/druid dps

[warm plinth]

Not having poison cleanse there is almost inting tbh lol

[strong forum]

We did entire courtyard yesterday in 1 pull

#mdi style

Actually didn't wipe. Was kinda surprised

[misty rain]

Did you use the spotter for extra damage?

[strong forum]

Obv

But I was cheating. Full vers gear is so fucking stupid

[misty rain]

Where does that spotter come from? I've watched videos of it but which spotter is it?

[strong forum]

The one from the sniper back

[misty rain]

There's a video I saw where they had one before the sniper pack though.

[sweet summit]

the spotter by 2nd boss then

[strong forum]

That's the spotter from before 2nd boss

Right by 2nd boss

[misty rain]

Gotta kill the whole 2nd boss without killing the spotter?

[strong forum]

Or pull 2nd boss first

But yes

[warm plinth]

Yeah. You don’t really do that except on bolstering week though I think?

Doesn’t seem worth it to me anyway

[strong forum]

You still use that spotter for the monkeys

[misty rain]

Interesting.

[strong forum]

Like, all the way from 2nd to 3rd boss you're never leaving combat

[warm plinth]

Yeah my group likes to throw hard on that dungeon so we only risk spotter in monkey town if it’s bolstering. Too many misplaced artilleries for it to be reliable for us

Where with bolstering it’s one shot kills so it’s more forgiving

[strong forum]

My group just decided to die to the 360 the monkeys do

[warm plinth]

Lol

[strong forum]

And my healer then decided to never drop the artillery in the pack cuz he was scared of the demolisher....

And Im like....

[winter sand]

I'm cursed in SoB too... Idk we just always do some stupid shit in there

[strong forum]

Siege is one of the worst dungeons, its easy to be cursed there

[grand drum]

Alliance siege

[misty rain]

I hate it.

[strong forum]

Unless you have infinite practice, it's just terrible

Same as TD

And even then its terrible

[warm plinth]

What's to be scared of lol; just don't stand in front of the slam

[misty rain]

It's the only dungeon I haven't timed on a 15 yet.

[trim bay]

man, if ur meant to have the spotter with you incombat from 2nd to 3rd boss i have been doing it wrong 😦

[strong forum]

Ya he was just being dumb

[misty rain]

What about snapping in Atal'Dazar. Do you all heroic leap or charge on/off the platform or just trust your jump button?

[strong forum]

Well you have to jump

Can't get there otherwise

That's whats a snapspot is in a nutshell

[misty rain]

I thought so. Some group told me to leap to it.

[strong forum]

You can leap close to it

[sweet summit]

you can kinda leap to it

[strong forum]

But not ontop of it

[sweet summit]

yeah

i think nerf or fem did a snap video?

[grave lily]

get there first and taunt or md/tricks

[misty rain]

nerf did

[sweet summit]

did he cover the super OP sanguine snap spot?

[misty rain]

No?? You can snap on sanguine?

[strong forum]

The one where sanguine gets dropped on different elevation

[sweet summit]

if you snap mobs there, sanguine spawns above the mobs so you dont have to think

[strong forum]

And doesn't heal the mobs that stand inside it

[grave lily]

"the bear spot"

op

[sweet summit]

the bear spot? never heard that before

did tomo find this one?

[grave lily]

he just uses it more than most

[sweet summit]

ah

[misty rain]

Wow that's cool lmao

Yall are just full of gems. Any tips on Temple of Seth?

[sweet summit]

where exactly? just general tips?

[misty rain]

My groups die either on the first boss, or the last boss.

[sweet summit]

first boss, you can reflect cyclone strike if it doesnt target you
dont tank them close unless you have to, dps players will kill themselves :^)

idk how you can die on last boss, must be missing kicks on the doctor?

[misty rain]

Healer runs out of mana.

[sweet summit]

what healer?

pally or disc?

[tropic nexus]

Uhm, I just bought a td

[misty rain]

Whoever. I just pug and pick who's got the highest io

[tropic nexus]

What would be a good enough piece to put it on?

[sweet summit]

the item you wont replace anytime soon

cant really help on that other than saying take less damage xP

[misty rain]

I tend to prefer resto druids and pallys.

[warm plinth]

We tried a pull we saw in a video of a 24 where a guardian was doing middle pack and 3 saurid packs in that snap spot

It didn't go well for us

And we were trying it on a 21 lol

[misty rain]

lmao

[sweet summit]

if you have a paladin, pulling/keeping a doctor alive for intermission helps a lot since they can get holy shock resets from crusader strikes

[warm plinth]

Just bring a rogue and skip P1

[sweet summit]

same with disc, but atonement

odds are dps players will kill it so it wont do much tho

🤷‍♀️

[warm plinth]

Yeah, by the time the intermission starts, our DPS have taken it to like 30% and so the healer kills it shortly after lol

[sweet summit]

"dont dps, just kick"
"its already dead what do you mean"

[warm plinth]

😂

[sick sentinel]

i am just so glad that my 15 AD is out of the way

because, i don't think i'll ever time it on a 15 again.

[civic rover]

the timer in AD is pretty tight

can be very unforgiving of dumb wipes

but KR this week, if you wipe on the third boss it might kill the key

[indigo lance]

⏰ 👉 🪓

[analog swift]

wiped third boss this week in a 21

timed w/ 20 seconds left thank god

[sick sentinel]

@civic rover yeah, that happened to me, we had a really good on pace run KR, 2 mini bosses down 2 alive, and he kept absorb shielding at 1%

so, we try the bird....

[cobalt cloud]

Doing a 30 Tank Ny'alotha clear for the first time, finally

curious to see what 30 people having TD looks like

[civic rover]

Those raids, the bosses either get one shot or take the same time it would a normal raid

Everyone has to have like TD6 or it’s not fun

[cobalt cloud]

do the stacks of strength of the warden affect td damage?

[sweet summit]

it increases max HP, and TD deals damage based on max HP so yeah

TD

[smoky yew]

Usually seems like the 30 tank raid leader is fresh 120 with no td/sotw. Brings a few guildies that have echoing rank 2. And is surprised when bosses take forever

[raven knoll]

how much better is vita compared to the atal haste trinket?

on 460

[strong forum]

Miles

[woven trellis]

i have only 400 versatility, 1 bastion of might, on my crit haste build, im kind of scared to let go of my Aegis of the deep essence, what do you think, im tanking 18s atm

[strong forum]

Aegis is only good on a few dungeons

Just run sphere/lucid instead

Lucid has 30% uptime on 400+ vers too

[woven trellis]

i dont have sphere

[strong forum]

Ontop rage + heal

[woven trellis]

i use vision main, and if if i was tro get rid of Aegis, it would be for Warden

[strong forum]

Well warden you always run

[sweet summit]

sphere rank 1 is good enough

[strong forum]

Vop/cns/warden are the 3 essences you run 100% of the time

Be it major or minor

[woven trellis]

but i dont have enough corruption for now, i dont need the corruption resist of warden

[strong forum]

Well then you can throw in lucid/sphere/aegis in there

Whichever you prefer

It's not really a big impact

[woven trellis]

aite

[trim bay]

I have a 475 dragonscale, 470 shell with socket, 475 rez and a 460 vita.

Im using the scale and shell but i hardly ever use the shell. Im doing 19-20s. Use the vita?

[sweet summit]

vita>>>>>scale>rezan

[strong forum]

^

[trim bay]

Ok sweet. Thanks. Do you use a defensive trink? Using vita and scald is fine? And if needed replace the scale with shell?

[strong forum]

I started using shell around 22s cuz I play with an rshaman and its decent quality of life to ignore certain mechanics every now and again instead of needing to try hard coordinate shit

[chilly brook]

I mean technically Vita and Scale ARE tank trinkets

[trim bay]

Yea way more value at a higher key.

People get upset if your not vers stacked

And have shell lol

[chilly brook]

People are dumb

[strong forum]

https://i.imgur.com/vttXxMI.png

[sweet summit]

what

[strong forum]

idk, its a pretty clear message

[sweet summit]

pin it

[strong forum]

cant 😦

[sweet summit]

:(

[warm plinth]

Nome's powers include:

That's it

[limpid pawn]

Lol, one of my carry customers bought a 19 last week from a 6K player and now is asking me to run his 18 for free

Dassa no from me

He failed a 15,14, and 13 junkyard in the same week according to him

The 19 he saying he just got invited to randomly

[tawny maple]

Help

[strong forum]

just sounds like people that blindly copy shit

[tawny maple]

Was just scrolling through an IRL friend's guild discord and I was just like you can't be serious

[sweet summit]

[steep bone]

Nzoth at 23%

[still pagoda]

kill that person

for copying shit from 28s for his 15 weekly no leavers

[modern brook]

Uhhh nerftanktv does it so it must be good

[grave lily]

dress for the job you want right? the only thing keeping me out of 28s is the leech

[steep bone]

@still pagoda i've seen 1.5k rio tanks being FULL VERS

[grand drum]

just have lucid up all the time, you can do 28's ez

[main vault]

@tawny maple is that your guild?

[strong forum]

the issue is

[main vault]

Leave it tbh

[strong forum]

na what i mean is i can see where people are coming from

cuz its what you do mainly as a dps

is just copy what the top dude is doing since the goal is doing max dps

right?

[grave lily]

why every steamer has a !vers command now lol

"no it's not that good, i need it to live"

[grand drum]

aren't all top key pushers stacking versatile no matter what role/spec? lol

[sweet summit]

not mages

mages are not people

[tawny maple]

@main vault nah a buddy of mine's we're just friends IRL so I have a couple shit alts in it

[strong forum]

only on 29/30

but yeah when it comes to tanks, people suddenly turn off their braincells and revert to the stone of age of thinking tanks always need to be literal walls

they dont even think that a wall isnt always necessary

[grave lily]

maut + shell or you aren't coming to my 15