protection

[still pagoda]

you don't need any vers in keys below +20

and even then it's questionable)

[graceful jolt]

Hi guys. Stat weights on most sites say Haste>Vers>Mastery>Crit

[tribal barn]

Those sites show you pure survivability

[graceful jolt]

I can choose between 21% Crit and 10% Vers OR 17% Crit and 13% Vers, which is a better setup with these stats?

ahh okay

well yeah and crit provides Parry

I always favored Crit as Prot but I've always been told it's not needed

[tribal barn]

Haste crit is definitely the way to go. More damage, adequate survivability for “low” keys

You’re basically a dps that holds agro

[graceful jolt]

and what about raids

Haste Crit is fine?

[tribal barn]

Warrior isn’t great in the raid do to the large amount of magic damage. I prefer vers

But depends on difficulty again. Probably don’t need vers for heroic

[graceful jolt]

Alright, but widely stated it's probably better to have Vers over Crit for raids in general?

dungeons, Crit on most things lower that 20 keys?

[sweet summit]

ilvl>haste>crit>vers>=mast

[tribal barn]

Some say crit is fine even to 24’s, I think that’s more so dependant on when you yourself believe you need the vers. If you’re pulling large groups perfectly at 20 and doing the same at 21 but dying, start stacking vers.

[graceful jolt]

okay

[tribal barn]

My best key is a 22 jy and I’ve started to notice I need vers, but I’m not a top tier tank by any means either. I’m sure better players could play my warrior in that gear to a higher key

[torn stump]

i think everyone is underestimating the real value of stacking crit for lower keys

being able to watch netflix on the other monitor while tanking

[tribal barn]

Heh

Truuuue

[torn stump]

or vers rather

[graceful jolt]

it's just weird looking up guides on sites when they say Vers over Crit, and then the experienced community saying Crit over Vers (in most situations)

that's what brought me here

[torn stump]

honestly most dps are so overgeared and inflated at this point

[warm plinth]

The guide (icyveins at least) is survival focused for the most part

[torn stump]

that its just faster to stack vers and not have to worry about swapping corruptions later

theres only a few more months with corruption active anyway

[tribal barn]

But I mean that arguement kindof works both ways. It maybe takes a month worth of echoes for a full build. If you stack td, then take the next month to grind out vers you’re in the same position but keys are much faster. If you’re doing 15’s now in full vers, I doubt they’ll be doing 24’s in a month.

[graceful jolt]

Yeah, I mean I don't even have TD yet, saving for it

[tribal barn]

Vers was just up as well, so you’d be waiting for rotation. Entirely up to you and your play style but I find td better, especially with pugs.

[graceful jolt]

that was my plan, to pick up TD

[tribal barn]

Hell you could even go haste/vers gear plus tds I’d you want

[graceful jolt]

so after corruption is taken away, Vers will probably be greater than Crit in "most" regards?

[tribal barn]

But again, then you’d just be overwriting that’s gear and wasting echoes

[torn stump]

i mean thats also true, i just used my pvp gear which was already haste vers and i was sitting at like 30% vers

then i just slapped vers corruption on it when it rolled around

[tribal barn]

That’s exactly what I did as well

[torn stump]

but 30% vers is a ton for lower keys

[tribal barn]

Until I built a separate haste crit set

[torn stump]

also depends if you're running with friends or pugging more

[graceful jolt]

Pugging mostly

I mean my main is rogue and he's decked out, but I love tanking it's becoming my regular alt

[tribal barn]

Go haste/crit with td, you won’t regret it

[graceful jolt]

warrior just seems to take spikey damage at times

[tribal barn]

You need to use your cds more

[torn stump]

warrior is only spikey when sb drops

other than that its super even

[graceful jolt]

okay, I try to use 2 every significant trash pack

[tribal barn]

If you have rage, use it

Not saying you need to overlap

But if you shield block and still have rage, use ignore pain

Demo shout is huge too

Warrior is super even, if you want to see spikes go DK

[torn stump]

or VDH

[tribal barn]

Yeah

[graceful jolt]

always use demo shout, I do try to keep up Ignore pain in between SB, but it gets chewed up pretty quick

Ignore pain, that is

[sweet summit]

IP is just there to spend rage on

[tribal barn]

Right

[graceful jolt]

okay

[sweet summit]

dont worry about IP uptime

legit, if you overcap IP it means nothing

[graceful jolt]

unless it's casters

[sweet summit]

but if you opvercap rage you are bad

[tribal barn]

Prot is a carpal tunnel spec

Lots of buttons to press

[graceful jolt]

yeah I've noticed

but it's fun

[torn stump]

if you're doing big pulls, just charge > avatar (mid charge) > sb > demo > clap

[tribal barn]

Very

[torn stump]

if the pull is big enough you can start out every pull that way

and have sb up on landing

[sweet summit]

avatar+charge+sb->clap->demo->clap

[tribal barn]

Yeah def clap first for the threat

[sweet summit]

u wanna clap for threat before the demo

yeah

[torn stump]

yes what they said

you can also last stand instead of sb on the opening charge if you want to be super lazy

[tribal barn]

Oh inef is fun to play with as well

[torn stump]

but its better to burn your sb charges first

so they can recharge during last stand

[tribal barn]

I run 2 inef rank 1’s

[graceful jolt]

yeah, last stand is kind of oh shit for me

[sweet summit]

na

dont

[graceful jolt]

and the heal

[sweet summit]

not like this

prot does not have an "ohshit" button

[torn stump]

^^^^^

[sweet summit]

everything is rotational

[torn stump]

use your cooldowns super liberally

they are up all the time

[sweet summit]

last stand is like shield block

so treat it like one

[wicked pulsar]

I was always told 3xsb, last stand, 3x sb and if they aren't dead then run (and find better dps)

[graceful jolt]

okay, i shall be more liberal

[torn stump]

all of them

[graceful jolt]

I guess as a DPS, I"m used to cooldowns being "cooldowns"

[sweet summit]

with anger management, your CDs are back up before you even know it

[graceful jolt]

opportune moments

[tribal barn]

Well even as dps they hold cds too long in kegs

Keys

Use your buttons

[torn stump]

you can do silly things like pull massive packs during necrotic

and just cycle through your big boy cds

because you dont take physical dmg

[sweet summit]

die necrotic die

dumb affix

[tribal barn]

Conflict major

Gg

[torn stump]

^

[buoyant walrus]

whyyyy pug groups must you be sooo bad to me

[tribal barn]

But yes still hate that affix

[torn stump]

when you hit 100% versatile

[sweet summit]

cns major oof

this is vop gang

[torn stump]

a giant floating hand appears that only you can see

[tribal barn]

I love CnS major, the root Saves me often

[torn stump]

and high fives you

[sweet summit]

how does the root save you

[tribal barn]

Makes kiting a breeze

[sweet summit]

kiting

[torn stump]

kiting is for monks

[sweet summit]

fake warrior

smh

[torn stump]

you stand there like a man

[sweet summit]

my head

[buoyant walrus]

lol

[torn stump]

and clap

[graceful jolt]

what minor essences do you guys take, do you switch it up ever?

[torn stump]

visions, aegis, warden

[sweet summit]

can swap warden for sphere if you dont need the resistance

[graceful jolt]

I always have Nul Dynamo and Aegis in keys

[sweet summit]

not like this

[buoyant walrus]

just had a group not soak spires on Galv in TOS

[graceful jolt]

oh you don't even use Aegis

[sweet summit]

null is bait

cns is a better aegis

i use null in workshop, thats it

[torn stump]

if you're vers stacking cns major is must have for the vers multiplier

[sweet summit]

its not tho

lucid is still very good even when vers stacking 🤔

[torn stump]

the thunderclap root procs the major effect

[sweet summit]

i know

is it good when vers stacking? yeah
is it mandatory as a major? no

[torn stump]

fair

i feel like im overflowing with rage on most pulls so i havent run lucid in a while

[graceful jolt]

well, if i had to choose between Aegis and Null, which is overall most useful. I don't use strength of the Warden but it looks good

[tribal barn]

Are we still talking about 15’s? How is CnS major bad in high keys, it’s almost mandatory

[sweet summit]

aegis if i had to pick

[graceful jolt]

mine is only rank 2 currently, need to get going on some more horrific runs

[limpid pawn]

CNS and aegis turns 30%DR into like 50% for big pulls

[sweet summit]

i think we're talking 15s

so im talking non vers stack

[limpid pawn]

Let’s you go big dick

[tribal barn]

Then yeah, vop

[limpid pawn]

Even in 23+ keys

Like you can pull fucking huge

Your DPS will thank you

[graceful jolt]

is the heal from Warden pretty noticeable?

[sweet summit]

no

[limpid pawn]

Less pulls = time saved

[sweet summit]

you use it for resistance

not the heal

[tribal barn]

Just group with a fire mage and use vers then

[sweet summit]

its like 70% overhealing

pretty bad

void is better if you have someone using breath or cof major in the group

formless void* not the shitty trinket from raden

[graceful jolt]

lol well, I don't even have that much corruption right now, so maybe it's not worth it to use until I get some big TD corruption numbers

[limpid pawn]

The trinket from Raden actually has a lot of verse on it

Like a great value alchemist stone

[tribal barn]

Void twisted, yuck

[sweet summit]

you can play 59 as warr, just reflect tbf/eye
or safe and do 39

[limpid pawn]

For verse build I think it’s not horrible

[sweet summit]

it is

[limpid pawn]

The amount of verse on it is similar to the verse on the stone

[sweet summit]

imean yeah its like 5% vers, but at what cost

a dead slot

[limpid pawn]

Which is the main reason to use it

[sweet summit]

no bueno

[limpid pawn]

Just the stone has a much better passive

[tribal barn]

But again, just use stone

[limpid pawn]

Some people are poor bro

And can’t be bothered to level it up

[sweet summit]

its not expensive to make 🤔

vita+lps then

dont do void

[tribal barn]

Shell/vita then

[sweet summit]

[limpid pawn]

But for stacking DR on verse

[sweet summit]

yes

[limpid pawn]

Don’t you want as much verse as possible

[sweet summit]

yes, but also no

[limpid pawn]

The only slot I have no verse is my weapon for carapace

[tribal barn]

Full haste vers with vers corruption, you’ll be fine without void

[sweet summit]

would you shoot yourself in the foot to gain a robotic arm?

[limpid pawn]

But I use versatile nav on it

[tribal barn]

This man loves his vers

[limpid pawn]

Lol, I don’t use the void thing I have the stone

But just noticing how similar the stats are

The passive on the void is obviously a waste on a tank

[tribal barn]

It’s a waste on every class

Void=expulsom for your alch stone XD

[sweet summit]

fax

[graceful jolt]

I mean, is Null Dynamo good at all?

[sweet summit]

in raids and workshop yeah

decent damage

[graceful jolt]

okay

[civic rover]

maybe ML too

[sweet summit]

hard maybe from me, ive jumped off that train for the most part

but im no expert

[graceful jolt]

the Null Dynamo train? lol

[sweet summit]

[still pagoda]

[raven knoll]

any tipps on ToS the snake bossroom trash? like i arrive with pillar where is the best location to drop it? it seems like always the second patroling mobs gets pulled and we somehow add more trash and wipe. is there a special method on what of the packs to do first?

[brittle owl]

you can drop it on the bridge

and pull the 3 mobs+the patrolling mounted dude at the base of the bridge

[modern brook]

would you shoot yourself in the foot to gain a robotic arm?
@sweet summit yeah probably robo arms are cool

[sweet summit]

fair tbh

[modern brook]

I didnt read the context

So idk what I'm agreeing to figuratively

But I'd eat that bullet for some mechanohands

[sweet summit]

i dont remember the context

oh yeah it was if it was worth using void shard

[distant crystal]

so shoot yourself in the foot and reroll mechagnome

ez claps

[still pagoda]

ez mechaclaps

which are doubleclaps

[modern brook]

Wait no :^(

[still pagoda]

[civic rover]

haha diaper gnome go brrrr

[warm plinth]

@raven knoll We drop the pillar directly on the mobs at the bottom of the bridge, then pull the bridge patrol with those two mobs up on to the bridge (to drop sanguine up there). But we also skip the first patrol after 1st boss so it depends if you need the one on the bridge or not

[still pagoda]

mechagnomes remind me of a torso option from Kenshi

[scarlet copper]

do you guys think it's viable to hold onto any TD if you're trying to push 22 and up?

[distant crystal]

in your bags ye

[still pagoda]

totally viable

i keep my TD in 22's

[scarlet copper]

okay

I'm also wondering if I should equip this vers3 I have, but I'm at 39 corruption

so that'd take mt to 59

[still pagoda]

and kept TD3 in my last 23 attempt

[distant crystal]

warrior is so weird

you don't need TD to do good damage

[distant crystal]

and you don't need versa to be survivable

[still pagoda]

you don't need TD to do good damage

Yet you go much more TD anyway

since it's just good

[distant crystal]

i mean yeah it's free real estate

[sweet summit]

#698541559049748520

[undone sun]

🙄

[warm plinth]

It's not thyme for Shadowlands yet

[viscid star]

Yo guys where can I find some resources for m+ paths and that kind of stuff?

[modern brook]

Uhhhhh I dont know I'd there is a centralized source for pathing and stuff

[sweet summit]

raider.io has weekly routes

[modern brook]

A good starting point would be dratnos dungeon guides by week and mdt addon

[ancient valve]

When it comes to that prio with verse, what is the priorety of the other stats?

[modern brook]

Most routes are solved (tm) at this point so questions to us or m+ discord is probably a good 2ndary option

[ancient valve]

I've got +48% vers so far

[modern brook]

@ancient valve same prio

[sweet summit]

haste=vers>crit>mast if vers stacking

[modern brook]

U dont stack verse cause it's a good stat u stack it cause it lets u live through unavoidable damage

[ancient valve]

Okey thank you

[scarlet copper]

is 56 corruption too much for a Vers build?

[sweet summit]

no

up to 59 is "safe" regardless of "build"

[scarlet copper]

okay cool

[opal whale]

460 Targe of the Ancient Warder w/socket or 465 Crowd Repeller?

[sweet summit]

ilvl

[distant crystal]

465

shield is a slot that always always always no matter what ilvl > all

[opal whale]

Thats what I thought. Thanks

[warm plinth]

@distant crystal 475 getti when

[opal whale]

Does the same go for weapon or is a socket worth keeping a 460?

[sweet summit]

same for weapon

[limpid pawn]

For the verse set, I’d focus on haste verse pieces with verse being the higher stat. Because with 7x versatile you will have big value

[sweet summit]

but haste is still haste

[limpid pawn]

Haste is sexy af of course

[distant crystal]

@warm plinth i'm back on the prot lootspec

until i get a shield

too poor to buy the boe

[warm plinth]

RIP

What realm are you on?

[atomic gazelle]

can prot comfortably 5 mask visions, as well as carry people through them?

[sweet summit]

yep

[atomic gazelle]

sweet, what kind of setup should i be trying to do on my warrior for that

[sweet summit]

anything with loads of TD and CoF major

[still pagoda]

just got vex chest

at last

[sweet summit]

poogies

[still pagoda]

will save it for later

or for arms

[atomic gazelle]

COF? For the healing?

[sweet summit]

damage lol

bosses take a while

[atomic gazelle]

Ah

[sweet summit]

and CoF is big ST damage

cyclo is great too if you have it

[atomic gazelle]

Do you pull big packs and td them or just take everything slow

[sweet summit]

up to you

some packs with the stun cast can be monkaS

[atomic gazelle]

What essences would you run?

Yeah those guys suck

[sweet summit]

CoF major
CnS+Lucid+Sphere/void

[atomic gazelle]

Sweet

Any traits you’d specifically recommend

[sweet summit]

same as for everything else basically

[atomic gazelle]

Perfect. Thanks a lot man

[sweet summit]

good luck mate

[opal whale]

Should I cleanse 475 Shard Tipped Vambraces with T3 IS to replace the 460 socketed version of them or keep the stars for pvp?

[sweet summit]

i dont see a point of IS unless you play fury in some raids sometimes

[opal whale]

For 2’s strictly

[still pagoda]

i play vers in pvp

or gushing

no reason for a totally random dam from IS

[opal whale]

Yeah gushing is way better

On my way to Silithus now! Thanks again

[strong forum]

IS is a dead corruption outside of meme parsing

Pvp nowadays is all about full vers or full Gushing

[opal whale]

I’m dropping it as we speak

[distant crystal]

it's all about the full expediant destro/fire

pew pew pew

[still pagoda]

@sweet summit now it's time to cleanse it and slap severe

[sweet summit]

:gachigasm:

[still pagoda]

so. Now i need to redo all corruptions, get more crit-mastery/crit-haste gear and 40k worth of crit amps

and also loot ilgy helmet

[sweet summit]

haste 📉
vers 📈

[still pagoda]

will need to sim for sure

[quiet mauve]

went from TD5 + haste build to max verse build and i can say the verse build makes tanking higher keys a lot easier

also gaining threat is a lot easier with stacked verse

[chilly brook]

Odd that gaining threat would be easier

Shouldn't be a problem to begin with

[still pagoda]

^

[chilly brook]

No one has really said that the vers build doesn't have merits or doesn't work the question is whether or not you actually need it

[real fossil]

I feel like when people say TD build they ignore the fact that you could run that build with full haste/vers gear and vers sockets

It’s not like you’re running no vers if you pick up TDs, assuming you have the gear

[strong forum]

its not illegal no

but if youre in the range where youre doing full TD build, you might aswell run full haste/crit cuz youre in the range of non dangerous keys

if you have the gear available

[warm plinth]

Well uh

If someone has 90k gold on Goldrinn

[cinder fern]

Less than one token :o

[warm plinth]

The next lowest is 380k lol

[strong forum]

thats more than 2*

how much is server transfer?

20?

[warm plinth]

25

[strong forum]

unluck

[cinder fern]

Cheapest one on my server is 600k, though it has sv3. Don't think I need a second one though.

[warm plinth]

I got mine for 400k

But I had to server transfer it

It was on Azralon

[cinder fern]

I paid 1m for mine, but that was around when mythic opened; it was nice to open my cache every week without the fear of a bad trinket.

[warm plinth]

Yeah I think my war got a 475 wep the first time he opened a chest after doing a 15

And then I bought the shield so I could just take the stress out of it lol

[cinder fern]

Same. Didn't go Prot loot spec since then. I did recently because I wanted to build another set and got a haste mastery shield my first try, so that was alright I guess.

[warm plinth]

Nice

[cinder fern]

And we finally get to n'zoth and they're having me switch to my vdh because all of our demon hunters decided to quit :| he's 480 at least, but still.

Bleh.

Elf.

[warm plinth]

Yeah, I main a havoc DH and the major downside of it is having to be an elf

[cinder fern]

My prot warrior is my main and has always been tauren, so it certainly feels different.

[warm plinth]

My first prot war was dwarf but when I went horde I made a mag'har one and then recently race changed to the BiS race

[sharp moss]

yo, i can choose between wep from wrathion on 460 and mace from cara with mindflays on 470 should i go for IL?

[cinder fern]

Yep. Especially on weapon.

Could always purge it if you don't have the Corruption budget.

[sharp moss]

is it worth keep 35 mindflay on it?

i can manage corruption

[cinder fern]

It's alright, but not great. If you can manage it, no reason not to. I usually run IT1 on weapon since it's interchangeable between TD and Vers stack builds.

But appendage is a decent option for the interim, particularly for heroic.

[sharp moss]

what is IT?

[cinder fern]

Ineffable Truth.

[sharp moss]

oh

thanksd 🙂

[sharp night]

elf everything

[cinder fern]

If my demon hunter could be literally any other horde race, he would be.

[sharp night]

all my characters that can be elf, are

pretty much

[cinder fern]

Different strokes :D

[sharp night]

except for casters, they're trolls

playing larger races is also harder because you get worse camera angles

and less leeway on dodging mechanics because of bigger hitboxes

[raven knoll]

@warm plinth ye thanks was thinking about this. only problem is i cant rlly skip the first one in pugs when there is no rogue

[warm plinth]

You can do it with a druid too, or a hunter if they have camo

[strong forum]

All my characters that can be dwarf are dwarf

Nvm im horde now

[sharp night]

if i were alli probably would play all dwarf/gnome too

dwarf better racial even though it's a bit bigger

[warm plinth]

Most of my toons on alliance are dwarf or gnome

[strong forum]

Dwarves are just badass where ever they exist

[still pagoda]

all my characters that can be draenei are draenei

[warm plinth]

The best one is my gnome hunter named Huntmaster Huntmaster

[still pagoda]

nvm i'm horde now too

[strong forum]

Handsdown my favourite fantasy race

[warm plinth]

Yeah I love dwarves

[strong forum]

Next to catgrils but that's a different story 😳

[still pagoda]

dwarves are badass since WH Fantasy Battles

Next to catgrils but that's a different story 😳
@strong forum

Female draenei with small ear-like horns: Exist

😳

[strong forum]

Ya draenei get pretty close

[steep bone]

lucid major, vop warden conflict for 22wm yay or nay?

[sweet summit]

sounds good

[still pagoda]

yey

[junior ivy]

you guys all still playin eh

[strong forum]

50% have to

50% want to

also hi cat

[left sedge]

to grind the last 2000 points for r3 lucid or not. doesnt feel worth it lol

[steep bone]

it does

well

its 21 wm now

:DDDDDD

[strong forum]

Ya sang quak in WM is big yike

[steep bone]

I mean

it was going fiine ish

we had ninja matron into two witches in front of her so i died, but

we had mage saying some stuffs to pull big for his comb etc etc and dh got tilted by that and left

[strong forum]

👏

I know that feel, not the leaving but mages

[steep bone]

but damn

it hits giga hard

the captains i mean

[strong forum]

Captains you avoid as much as you can

They're big nono

[steep bone]

we just had three

but it went okayish

two at once tho

[vocal shell]

So in some dungeons, lucid major is preferred over conflict major (if I've understood it correctly), is there any specific reason for that? I was watching naowh do a workshop and he mentioned that he should've gone for lucid major instead of conflict major.

[raven knoll]

would love to add something to the question above. when is conflict actually better? like how much versa do i need to stack thats its actually worth

[vocal shell]

I have about 56% versa with food buff baseline I think

I use it in keys above +20

The latest pin in the channel mentions it being useful in keys with big pulls, so that's what I've been doing personally, though I'm not a super experienced prot player

[sacred nexus]

anyone got tips on spell reflecting mandible slam in carapace fight? I hit SR as hes casting, but it very rarely works. am i wanting to hit early or late?

[still pagoda]

@steep bone my SotS is +20 now

pugs doing interrupts during the buff on second boss

and spawning 3 swirlies in a row

[warm plinth]

@sacred nexus You want to hit it as close to the end of his cast time as possible so that you're not accidentally reflecting something else instead; I'm not a raid expert but I believe you can accidentally reflect mind bomb when you intended to reflect Mandible(someone with more knowledge can confirm). But you have to SR before the cast actually finishes or it won't work.

[solid coral]

If I don’t have someone in my key running CoF major to keep uptime on formless void, is strength of the warden better for a minor?

[woven trellis]

should i go TD3 as a prot tank crit haste with IT1 x 2

or td2

btw i dropped a Surging Vitality

should i equip it in the meantime?

[still pagoda]

If I don’t have someone in my key running CoF major to keep uptime on formless void, is strength of the warden better for a minor?
@solid coral

Sure if you need 10 res

@woven trellis more TD, more stuff

if you're not doing >+22 keys

[woven trellis]

like i have to choose between td2+surging vitality or td3

[still pagoda]

go TD3

[woven trellis]

ok

i will still do 20s

and im not the best

[still pagoda]

well

it's better to learn than to blame gear

[woven trellis]

true

but im not alone

XD

[still pagoda]

prot warr is 95% gameplay, 5% gear

[main vault]

prot warr tanking is 95% gameplay, 5% gear

[still pagoda]

indeed

[woven trellis]

well

true

[potent bear]

Which is the go to guide to read, wowhead or icy veins?

Or both the same

[still pagoda]

Icy Veins

#268491842637660160 and pins in this chat

are your best friends if you are new to the spec

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[potent bear]

Yeah, they got both just wondering if ones more reliable

[still pagoda]

👍

[potent bear]

Cool

[still pagoda]

just get one simple rule clear

unless you're doing +23 keys and higher

gear for DPS

)

this is technically applicable to all tank specs right now

[split wyvern]

Which is haste>verse. There are a lot of questions on when to stack verse and verses corruptions.

[still pagoda]

which is haste>crit btw @split wyvern

unless you're gearing completely for ST

[split wyvern]

Ah ok

[still pagoda]

where vers goes ahead

but generally it's ilvl>haste>crit>=vers>mastery

[split wyvern]

100%^

[limpid pawn]

yo i should have gone alchemy long ago

2 hours flasks? wtf!!

blacksmithing is just garbage in comparison lol

[trim bay]

how much does it cost

[limpid pawn]

about 20k to level from 0

[trim bay]

and is the trinket realllly that worth it

oh thats fuck all

[limpid pawn]

if you are doing high enough keys to stack versa, 100% worth it

it also makes your abyssal health pots 40% more effective, GIGA

[still pagoda]

blacksmithing is just garbage in comparison lol
@limpid pawn

Having BS alt will be a blessing in SL

[limpid pawn]

i have BS/alch on my war

[trim bay]

oft

[still pagoda]

if they will continue with lego bases being from professions

[limpid pawn]

why is bs going to be good?

[trim bay]

im swapping now

[limpid pawn]

in WOTLK, i got blacksmith/JC for that sweet sweet combo of extra sockets + 3 kraken's eye

or serpant eye forgot the name

[trim bay]

25k momentos now m8

[limpid pawn]

but we running around iwth like 12 sockets now boys

[still pagoda]

why is bs going to be good?
@limpid pawn
https://shadowlands.wowhead.com/guides/legendary-armor-crafting-torghast-items-shadowlands

this is why technically

i'm gonna use Alch+BS on warr

and mining/herb on pala/monk/DK(Whatever i will choose as my main alt in the long run)

[trim bay]

do you need to farm mats from raid for the alch trink?

wait thats a stupid question

[modern brook]

there are no stupid questions :^)

mainly cause u just asked the last one but

[bold atlas]

Hi all

witch corruption is best?

twilight devastation or echoing void?

[warm plinth]

Twilight Devastation by approximately 342 miles

[bold atlas]

nice

[woeful estuary]

Which should I use, a 465 Big red button or a 460 rezans eye

[tepid thorn]

Whichever one you feel like using. Both are trash/situational

I'd go rezan

[warm plinth]

Wait what

Rezan's isn't situational

It's literally the best trinket we have from M+ lol

[tepid thorn]

Compared to vita it is

For lower keys to for fang

Go for

[warm plinth]

Yeah but putting it in the same category as big red button is legit nonsense

And you don't know if this guy even raids lol

[tepid thorn]

Well it requires little to no effort to kill hc raden nowadays

@woeful estuary fang+Vita for keys lower than 20(or whatever number you feel like, let's say 15), alch stone/ashvane trinket+nzoth shell for higher

And play around with them

[mental anchor]

^ I go vita shell when I need to live, vita fang when I want to damage more

[still pagoda]

@woeful estuary fang+Vita for keys lower than 20(or whatever number you feel like, let's say 15), alch stone/ashvane trinket+nzoth shell for higher

Defo not a fang if you're not up to memes

second haste trinket on top of vita for sure

rezan or dragonscale

[mental anchor]

Fang is top tier

[still pagoda]

prot warrior =/= DK

[mental anchor]

That’s ridiculous

[still pagoda]

you can't block during fang channel

unlike with DK who gets zero repercussions for using it

[mental anchor]

I guess but in the 15 key I use it in, 2 missed blocks won’t kill me

[still pagoda]

15 =/= 20

[mental anchor]

We clearly said on higher keys to go vita shell.....

[still pagoda]

it is the same as saying that bomb throwers are better than IMPORTED MATCHLOCK ASHIGARU GODS in Shogun 2

i've done +22 without LPS

what's now

[mental anchor]

Cool

[still pagoda]

the whole question of what to use in keys >20 comes from your comfortability

there are even some people like @strong forum who don't care for LPS in keys higher

[tepid thorn]

As I said, lower keys could be translated differently to different people. For me 20 is low enough to know when I don't need to press any buttons besides fang. For some it could be 23, for others 15

One has to figure out what suits him better by playing more 😉

[still pagoda]

Which should I use, a 465 Big red button or a 460 rezans eye
@woeful estuary

I think i shall elaborate here instead of screaming "FANG IS TOPTIER".
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148897941883584512/721999512557715517/unknown.png

BRB barely does any damage %-wise when you consider it for a tank spec with already high baseline DPS.

While Rezan's Gleaming Eye is a good choice of a haste proc trinket that is just slightly worse than Dragonscale.

What the guys above(except for Ghash) wrote is rather applicable to DK and not to prot warrior. On AoE packs, where merekta's fang is usually used, both its slow and inability to block during its channel can kill you. No matter the key level. It is not just 2 unblocked hits but 5-6 minimum if you're not pulling one pack at a time to satisfy someone's slowpoke attitude

i hope this helps more than calling trinket trash without any evidence

and yes, due to rather clumsy ilvl scaling of trinkets, even LFR vita will outclass everything

[analog zinc]

oww

wall fell off & it hit thru my block

[marsh vector]

hey guys took a long long long break and getting back into M+ all the pins are valid from when i quit but just wanted to double check that it's still 3x Bastion 3xdefeaning and perfection major, CnS, lucid, aegis minors?

[analog zinc]

3x bastion 1x deafening

run HoD or some other good neutral traits
deafening isn't that good for dmg anymore

[marsh vector]

10-4 ty so much

[steep bone]

oww
@analog zinc how? Even without mitigation they didnt hit me that much

[elfin siren]

turned his back, naked with res debuff

[steep bone]

Oh true

[analog zinc]

@steep bone ran out of shield block / LS & got hit thru block

also had this just happen
860k of my 920k in a single tick

i'm sure i had 5 or 6 stacks

[civic rover]

were you also getting no healing or something

like before the two massive hits

maybe a shield wall and/or demo shout while at full health before the two big hits mightve made them not hurt as bad (unless you already had that active)

[tame garden]

thotties

[analog zinc]

pretty sure my wall had just worn off

I was at 85% when I got hit

[sudden kayak]

is glimpse of clarity good for prot warrior or do we go for inefatuble truth

this is my character im trying to wonder what i should cleanse and not to cleanse cuz we dont use raid bots i think since we are tank i only use raid bots for arms warrior but im trying to become a tank

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/frostmourne/hbbaboy

[undone sun]

Who said we don't use raidbots

[sudden kayak]

oh i wasnt sure

i thought healers and tanks didnt use it

sorry

[undone sun]

Corruptions are covered in the pins, simming is used offensively.

[sudden kayak]

kk ty

so in the pins we want verse percent and tds everything else is a no no right? the thing is in the pins what i was wondering was about should we use verse mastery gear or vers haste

nvm

[undone sun]

Ineffable is also a good filler, covered in the spreadsheet

[sudden kayak]

kk

erase the echoing void and racing pulse then should be fine? expedient td verse percent and i need the one u recommended unefatable truth right?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8Pf4snJE2Sj4Vh1nNqozd6

[still pagoda]

@sudden kayak

Depends heavily on the key level

Kinda paraphrasing pins

If you're doing keys up to +22-23, the best way to go is TD4-5 and 2 IT1's

Starting from +22 you can start slowly building up vers

As keys progress of course

You can forget about vers in mythic nya too

Just full TD

[sudden kayak]

kk so tds and and inefatable truth yea im more like well im new to prot warrior so my history is that i did arms with a mastery build but anyway im guna run some 9s copy the weekly route via raider io weekly route then try out a 10 for tanking then if i do well ill push from 11 to 14

[still pagoda]

May god have mercy on that syntax

Sorry, but i can barely read this

[sudden kayak]

so im guna erase everything and keep tds then start investing in inefatable truths

sorry i never graduated high school lol but yea i get what u mean on the right way to go with corruption tds and inefatable truth for my skill level

thank you for helping me im greatful @still pagoda

[civic rover]

ok guys, am i a simp if i use rallying cry to save my party?

[undone sun]

[brittle owl]

think you just need to lay off the glue my dude

[last mason]

when do you use cns major vs lucid

[real fossil]

Are you doing 24+ keys?

[civic rover]

when you're stacking vers

[real fossil]

If not, just do vision

[last mason]

when do people doing 25+ run cns over lucid

there i rephrased

[civic rover]

pretty much all the time i'd imagine

thats kinda the key level where unavoidable damage just one shots you if you arent vers stacking

i'm running lucid in 19-21 keys for bigger pulls but that's just me

[novel ruin]

@last mason Lucid for magic heavy damage or specific dangerous mobs. So KR, Workshop, ML teleport after 2nd boss

[obtuse yoke]

how do we handle sanguine in waycrest

feels like such a yikes to me

[sharp night]

just don't fight in hallways

[turbid river]

do the cells on jes' floor in td drop sanguine if u fight them with the boss

[warm plinth]

No.

[buoyant walrus]

I hate Tol dagor on sanguine. All those damn mobs fleeing everywhere in narrow hallways

[rocky linden]

Does anyone use Butcher's Block for damage, or is it not favored for warriors+

[strong forum]

It's pretty good

[rocky linden]

Cheers

[elder plinth]

if I couldnt rly buy that many versatile corruptions (got only 2x 12%) should I get like 1 or 2 surging vers corruption or wait for any versa % corruption and just fill the corruptions i have left with those and collect echoes for next time 12% will come up?

[mighty gulch]

any news on if they've decided to not ruin prot warrior in shadowlands?

[sweet summit]

#698541559049748520 pls ty

[devout stirrup]

Hey guys, starting to gear my prot warr alt slowly and I was wondering whether for m+ purposes is fusion hecker from jy better for us than AD weapon

[sweet summit]

Equal ilvl?

[devout stirrup]

yeah

I atm have lfr gift of the void so, I am picking which to farm

[sweet summit]

Stats are better at 6 or 7 targets iirc?

[devout stirrup]

So generally in bigger pulls stats gonna win?

[sweet summit]

Defensively, the AD one is better

Yeah

[devout stirrup]

Okay considering I usually play with premade where I don't have to worry about the dps, AD one should be better for me then

thanks

[sweet summit]

You can sim for dps btw

[devout stirrup]

How high is the procrate on the jy weapon btw? just wondering cos the dmg it has is nothing amazing compared to for example fist weapon from UR

(yes I know that one is agi, just comparing)

[sweet summit]

Oof i dont remember that right now

[strong forum]

Never had it as competitive choice to my weapon so I never really informed myself about it

[devout stirrup]

Ah I see, imma just farm the AD one probs anyway since I don't like JY that much

[sweet summit]

Wha??

[devout stirrup]

• I prefer to not depend on randomness that procs are

[sweet summit]

Jy owns

[strong forum]

I know it's decent, but the actual proc rate idk 🤷‍♂️

[devout stirrup]

I like JY on higher keys

not the keys I am going to be running for now

[strong forum]

Anything is fun on low keys

Just blast and loleh

[sweet summit]

Yah

@devout stirrup 4rppm+haste

According to wh

[devout stirrup]

ah thanks

When I think about it I deployed 300 IQ tactic, blizzard:
-> puts "Goodbye bfa" in launcher
me:
-> "Time to start gearing alts!"

[sweet summit]

Die bfa die

[devout stirrup]

Also is my tankiness going to go up rapidly as I start getting bastion of might stacks? cos atm I only have 1 and don't feel very tanky

[sweet summit]

You only feel BoM during avatar

[devout stirrup]

yeah that's what I meant basically, I feel fairly weak during avatar atm

[sweet summit]

90% of your tankyness feel is shield ilvl and player skill
The other 10% is dps players stopping casts and shit

[devout stirrup]

Is a 445 piece with bastion of might going to be better for me than 460 one without it?

[sweet summit]

No

[devout stirrup]

Also besides 3 bom & 1 dc, what is a good trait to stack at lower keys?

[sweet summit]

HoD/CwH/MS

[tawdry wagon]

how can i use intercept by clicking on party frames?

my mouseover macro doesn't work like that :/

[arctic python]

How do you guys deal with sanguine in Tol Dagore this week?

It seems so hard to control on second boss

[strong forum]

Kill stuff before boss, don't drop it infront of gates.

Also play Cns major

[devout stirrup]

Clear entire floor before the boss, the ones in cages don't count if he pulls them as they won't drop sang

By the time you bring him to phase 2 the start of floor is going to be clear & that is the main part that matters

You can also use the corners to drop sanguine there instead, since they are more open and you have place on the outer side to kill them in that the boss won't go through

@tawdry wagon if you mean to select them and intercept then that is no macro, that's how intercept works in its base

Other than that you can potentially make a mouseover macro and bind it to like ctrl + click if you mean literally just hovering mouse of their frames, clicking to intercept

[narrow wren]

25% haste > vers is that something you only should do when stacking vers in high m+? Keep stacking haste above 25% > vers otherwise?

[strong forum]

Ye only on high keys you start stacking vers

Below high keys you're safe to stack the shit out of haste as much as you can

We can't have too much haste 👍

[narrow wren]

Alright cheers! (:

[sweet summit]

Where did 25% come from btw?

[lofty widget]

i think that's just where you naturally end up when stacking vers with all items haste/vers

[novel ruin]

No it isn’t.

[woven trellis]

hi

[novel ruin]

I have 31% haste. There isn’t really a number to aim for with vers, you just want as much haste and vers as possible

[woven trellis]

i rly love warrior, do you have feedback those last day on how bad its going to be on SL Beta?

[sweet summit]

This is live

#698541559049748520 pls

[novel ruin]

Shadowlands Protection channel

[woven trellis]

Thank you! i didnt know there was one

[novel ruin]

There is a write up in that channels pins

[narrow wren]

@sweet summit 25% haste, then vers was something Naowh was suggesting on stream iirc, obviously I'm no where near his key levels, so I wanted to make sure

[sweet summit]

Hmmm ok

[novel ruin]

If you are running no vita and full haste/vers gear you will be around or higher than that 25% so I wouldn’t worry about it too much

But as far as we know there isn’t a haste soft cap to aim for

You want as much as possible of both stats

When full vers

[strong forum]

Many haste 📈

[novel ruin]

All da haste

[sterile mantle]

Me walking into M+ this week. Bring on whole dungeon!!! Lol

[undone sun]

shouldnt ever worry about certain %

[torn glade]

dumb question but why does pressing avatar make thunderclap CD lower. i dont see any interaction with that

[sweet summit]

unstoppable force, level 45 row talent

[torn glade]

omg derp thanks

legit set and forget my talents

[autumn pendant]

Thats what happens when you are locked to same talents for whole expac

[sweet summit]

hey i swapped to devastator like twice 😠

[autumn pendant]

🧠

[strong forum]

Ever since bod I played deva 24/7 in raid

Gotta get those 99s

[sand turret]

any know if I change professions from blacksmithing to alch for the trinket, will I lose my maxed void focus?

[sweet summit]

you wont

but you wont be able to use BS gear either

[sand turret]

thanks

[radiant path]

Whats better, Intimidating Presence or Impassive Vissage? Initimidating Presence actually sounds reaaaally good.

I know Impassive Vissage is grat though

[sweet summit]

IV by far

[radiant path]

Really? K thanks!

[sweet summit]

yep

[pine lotus]

void focus isnt account wide is it?

would be amazing if it was lol

[novel ruin]

no it isnt

[limpid pawn]

Oh god scuffed 23 last boss waycrest last night

What do you guys do there normally

[tame garden]

clap

[warm plinth]

Uh, pull boss to the left side, assign one kick to boss, rest rotate on spider. Ranged can LoS some of the casts that you can’t kick

[limpid pawn]

What about the adds that leap

[tame garden]

theres a couple snap spots on some candles that you can send a ranged to stand on and then they wont leap

[limpid pawn]

They were why we wiped

Like they weren’t killed fast enough

[tame garden]

either rotate offensive cds or have dps focus them

like if everyone blows cds on pull youll not have enough damage later to have them die purely from cleave

so you gotta focus them when no1 has cds

[warm plinth]

You can also have a ranged sit in the water against the front edge and that will work to make them not leap as well

Whatever is more convenient for your group

[novel ruin]

Having spider there you are making the decision to not focus as much on adds

[tame garden]

first couple adds should die from cleave during lust/cds

[warm plinth]

Yeah spider should be first priority. We basically burn him and if an add looks like it might not die before essence we swap real quick

[modern brook]

We burn cds into spider, adds die to cleave as mentioned

[warm plinth]

Just make your ranged bitches stand close

So the adds aren't leaping to Africa

Or do one of thep osisiotns that presents leaps

whew, I killed that bitch

the positions*

[woven trellis]

what do you do in your pugs when you have as much dps as a warlock

and you dont have td

nor verse

lets say that the warlock do as less as u

how do you keep your calm

[strong forum]

you just do cuz hes a brave warlock

[woven trellis]

xD

[strong forum]

a warlock daring to enter m+ and especially pug

that takes balls

[next plaza]

Is it worth going down to a 465 with haste/vers over a 475 with Haste/X if I am vers pumping?

[last mason]

anyone else having trouble with KR 3rd boss

[frosty wren]

@last mason lemme guess, u have problem with akaali? If u don’t avoid to get the debuff u have to kit him

[strong forum]

@next plaza ideally you want haste/vers on every single piece if youre running alot of vers% yes you should drop 10ilvl for it

[last mason]

@frosty wren its more the order that ive been having inssues with

the stacking during axes, etc

esp with quaking

[frosty wren]

@last mason Tell your dds they have to go outside when quaking is coming. The order is changing every week

[last mason]

i mean yea ik

i dont think u get what im saying though

[novel ruin]

Tank axe lady where she spawns

tank rush guy where he spawns

tank lightning bolt person where he spawns and then move him to the totem that gives him the shield

[warm plinth]

You don't need to stack during the axes @last mason She drops the axes from where she is, not from where other people are. So as long as you (assuming you're the tank) stay in the middle and everyone else runs out, there should be no issue

[last mason]

no i mean trying to stack for the charge while the axe lady is up

[warm plinth]

Ok, now we're getting somewhere. No offense but there wasn't a clear question in your previous comments lol

[last mason]

causes so many deaths

yea my b

tilt was clouding my brain

[warm plinth]

What's the order this week?

I haven't seen KR yet

[last mason]

charge axe totem

its rough

[warm plinth]

Yeah that is a pretty shit order for quaking ngl. What's your comp?

[last mason]

this was a pug, was dk, me, druid, spriest, and druid heals

[warm plinth]

Gross

lol

[distant crystal]

damn

so many wheelchairs

[warm plinth]

Yeah idk man, like...that kind of requires more coordination than you have in a pug

[distant crystal]

and 2 druids

[last mason]

failed another with some more meta stuff

the same way

[warm plinth]

Because you might have to adjust positioning on the fly if axes are coming through

[novel ruin]

Get DH, have him blade dance all of em

[warm plinth]

Fwiw you don't actually have to stack necessarily; the damage is reduced as long as he hits people on his way to his target. So you can form like a line or something like that

But it's hard to coordinate that in a pug especially with the axes swirling too

[distant crystal]

as ranged if it's on somebody else

[warm plinth]

Can only blade dance the charge if it targets you as the DH unfortunately

[distant crystal]

i just go over and stand in front of the boss

[warm plinth]

Otherwise you're only avoiding the damage to you, not the target

[distant crystal]

to soak while maintaining social distancing

[warm plinth]

I was hoping he would say oh I have a DH and a hunter and a rogue

So I could be like oh well, if quaking is happening, just have them blade dance/feign/vanish

And then he comes out with that awful comp XD

[last mason]

i mean even then, would it be correct to just say that it was out of my control

or is there something i can do to make that easier

[warm plinth]

Yeah I mean, you can't do anything about it

[last mason]

im trying to parse out personal error and pug life stuff, helps me de tilt

[warm plinth]

Where the boss spawns when inactive is completely out of your control

And you can't control when quaking happens, or where your group stands

[last mason]

so frusturating ugh

[warm plinth]

My best recommendation is basically that everyone have the quaking WA

And if it's going to happen when a charge is coming out, instead of stacking you try to adjust

It's better to take an axe DoT than for someone to outright die to a charge

[last mason]

yea that seems like the most i can do

lmfao and now the bear tank im in another KR with is telling me im a sheep for saying u dontneed vers below like 24

thats some olympic gold mental gymnastics

[warm plinth]

Oh jesus

Tbf, I think guardian uses vers earlier than we do

[last mason]

hes 3.7k

[sharp night]

bear uses it higher

they don't need it until like 25-26

[last mason]

told him 3.7k was high io maybe like 3 months ago

[limpid pawn]

What is your io?

[warm plinth]

Ah

I feel attacked

I'm only 3400

[sweet summit]

rekt

[last mason]

the same, but im not the one running my mouth

[limpid pawn]

I’m 3.7 now too

I feel like such a pleb I need 4K

[last mason]

3.7 is easy, just 22s and w23s

its just a matter of findinf the keys

[limpid pawn]

I hear my father screaming at me “WHY YOU NO 4K”

[last mason]

bc im on alli

[strong forum]

ya bears usually go with TD until 25ish

[last mason]

hahahaha

[warm plinth]

We tried our first 23 last night after +2ing a 21 JY

[limpid pawn]

Many played will bitch about no verse

[warm plinth]

It uh

Didn't go very well XD

[limpid pawn]

Tbh verse after 22 is a good idea

[strong forum]

depending on the class

[limpid pawn]

I’ve done 23s with no verse

[strong forum]

VDH? HELL NO

Bear, idk chief

[limpid pawn]

And then with verse

[strong forum]

BDK yes

Pally prolly

[warm plinth]

Anyone do that fancy snap at the start of AD?

[strong forum]

Monk absolutely

[limpid pawn]

You can face tank and just be safe so much longer with verse on war

[strong forum]

War depends

boom tierlist created

[limpid pawn]

Without verse, the big pulls on 22s start to make you take real damage

[strong forum]

havent had that feeling

tbh

[limpid pawn]

Like freehold 2 pack near second boss with big guy included

Makes my life go down somewhat and I start muting

Kitingw

[strong forum]

sounds kinda cringe ngl

but alas

doesnt matter

[last mason]

i mean is being able to facetank easy really worth when u could have td6 and it2

[strong forum]

i stopped giving a shit about BFA and min maxing since alpha

[last mason]

and complete it just the same

[limpid pawn]

If you can survive it, then the TD is going to speed it up for sure

Still unsure to be honest here

Verse makes you completely safe though that’s for sure

[last mason]

i feel like also vers is a crutch earlier on

[strong forum]

only reason i went vers is to fall asleep

cuz i dont wanna tryhard anything anymore

[limpid pawn]

Lollll

Yeah, on the 23 keys, I do it so that there’s a 0% chance I die

[strong forum]

and ive done a total of 1 key ever since i went vers

[limpid pawn]

And I pull much bigger

[last mason]

hot take i think td is really fun

[limpid pawn]

Td is tits

[last mason]

big nuke go PHWOOM

[strong forum]

hot take, fuck corruption

[last mason]

im mean yes

^

[strong forum]

but fuck vers specifically

creates bad tanks

[last mason]

yessss

thats whay ive been saying

[limpid pawn]

Yeah, they fucked up with % stats

Like how you gonna have 50% DR all the time and say that’s balanced somehow lol

[last mason]

perma shield wall

balanced bbtw

[limpid pawn]

That’s even more powerful than shield wall - on all the time

[last mason]

200 years experience

[limpid pawn]

Or fire mage with 9x masterful 3

Doing on demand million+ dps for trash pulls

Very balanced too

[last mason]

at least with fmage they are typically garbage in anything bbut high keys with coordinated players

[strong forum]

people that played full vers for months and didnt do content higher than 23 will shit the bed so hard in pre-patch its gonna be hilarious

[last mason]

bm is more busted across the board

[limpid pawn]

Muh verse

I had a resto Druid leave a 21 shrine before when I didn’t have verse on because of that

Because “his tank had 47% verse”

(So I should too)

[strong forum]

its a heartbreaking conversation to have

and i refuse to have it with people that arent tanks

or have atleast 2.5iq

[limpid pawn]

He was also a tank, had an IO if like 3300

But all as a Druid

I don’t know where the cutoffs in skill are

3300 seems like they still miss kicks and shit

4K+ seem really on top of it

[novel ruin]

That’s about the breakpoint

23s or so

I would say if you want to do more than 23s consistently you have to be pretty dedicated to pushing

[last mason]

its bbeen so stressful to tank lately

even more than usual

[novel ruin]

Idk last week sucked

But this week with full vers I’m pulling like a mongo

4 peacekeepers today in ML

[strong forum]

gets meleed once with 4x charged claw
group dies

[novel ruin]

Reflect xD

[cursive burrow]

My guild gives me shit for not stacking verse in mythic raids.

I just buy more TD to help me sleep though.

[novel ruin]

Are you dying?

[sweet summit]

vers in raids

[cursive burrow]

Not unless its a wipe or mechanics are failed.

[strong forum]

vers in raids

[novel ruin]

Then just play better and stack TD 🙂

[strong forum]

just tell em to stfu and you go have fun

[cursive burrow]

I have been.

[strong forum]

Continue Soldier.

[distant crystal]

our prot tank wore vers on n'zoth

wiped at like 3%

his fault imo

[strong forum]

shoulda run TD....

smh

[distant crystal]

he did on the next pull

where we killed it :p

[strong forum]

see

thats perfect proof

TD kills nzoth

Vers makes you wipe

[distant crystal]

big true

[novel ruin]

Kappa math

[strong forum]

no thats carefully crafted

with weeks of calculations

[novel ruin]

And thousands of wipes

[cursive burrow]

I mean we wiped on Nzoth heroic til I raceswqpped to dark iron.

[strong forum]

[cursive burrow]

So dark iron also kills Nzoth.

[strong forum]

ah

i see

[novel ruin]

Big true

Dark iron bear alliance race

Best*

[cursive burrow]

(It was cosmetic choice, not metachasing)

[novel ruin]

Even from cosmetic it’s the best

[strong forum]

facts

[toxic remnant]

Everyone knows you do 10% more dps if you have a killer mog

[novel ruin]

Dark iron is prob my favorite race in the game

Than vulpera for Horde

[cursive burrow]

Nah troll female.

[novel ruin]

If worgens looked better, it would prob be them

[cursive burrow]

I mained female troll warrior vanilla -> Legion

[novel ruin]

There is just something roleplay wise pleasing to play a Fury Ferocious Animal

[cursive burrow]

Do female trolls blink in classic? They used to not blink ever until the model updates in...mists I think.

[modern brook]

only problem with DID is u have to play alliance to play them

😬

[novel ruin]

True. Maybe one day my guild will make the switch

[limpid pawn]

Maghar orc warrior and vulpera brewmaster here

Being a vulpera awakened my inner furry, I’m gonna make all vulpera from now on

[modern brook]

smh

the only thing that should be awkening your inner furry is Lola bunny from space jam

[limpid pawn]

Okay

[buoyant walrus]

Be cool if they made every race able to pick their faction like pandas

[civic rover]

I really like orc and Tauren for Prot Warrior, panda can also have some pretty funny mogs

Only problem w Tauren is for dungeons like waycrest and Tol Dagor you need to use the gnome toy

[sick sentinel]

because we're so big? lol

[wide harbor]

thoughts on servant splitter / fusion hacker compared to stats?

i figured stats are more valuable majority of the time?

[novel ruin]

If same ilvl go with stats

[wide harbor]

what if its 460 stats compared to 465 of those 2?

[novel ruin]

Unless ST damage is needed

Stats

I mean ilvl on wep and shield

Always

[wide harbor]

alright

i have 460 stats weapon with avoidance on it compared to a 465 hacker and splitter

[sick sentinel]

So I'm a Heroic/Mythic Nya raid tank that is going the haste route. My question is, do prot haste builds work for 15+ keys?

[novel ruin]

Go with ilvl for weeps and shield

What do you mean haste build?

You always prior haste

Then go TD

[sick sentinel]

well i know the higher level prot warriors stack verse

[novel ruin]

Even in vers gear you go haste >= vers

[sick sentinel]

so i'm wondering is i can push just as well as them as a haste/TD tank

if*

[novel ruin]

Yes in anything less than 22/24s or so go haste/crit with TD

[sick sentinel]

right on man

thanks!

[novel ruin]

No problem, good luck

[strong forum]

i mean nerf pushed into the 26s without full vers

cuz it was before vendors were a thing

and he was rocking TD full haste gear with double haste trinkets