the only thing i think of is a corruption slow
#protection
tame garden
Just charge to an ally if leap is down and you're slowed
still pagoda
^
tame garden
Or cloak
still pagoda
i usually keep cloak for that moment
since there's no use for it outside of dodging big AoE during second phase
tame garden
coral marsh
i hate raiding outside of mythic its literally garbo
chilly brook
tbh though why is your leap on CD and not up again? Iirc it should be up pretty much any time you need it if you're using bounding stride for that
Err wrong tag
tame garden
Rude
tame garden
chilly brook
And that "giga" dot is literally the only mechanic he has for tanks lol
You say you hate raiding yet don't know the mechanics
chilly brook
Lol
still pagoda
Raden in heroic is literally the same for tanks as in mythic
sand relic
should i be buying vers corruption
strong forum
only if you wanna fall asleep in keys and are gonna push 23+
sand relic
i have 10k echoes right now
strong forum
👍
strong forum
dont need vers for those
sand relic
right now i only have a td1
sand relic
right now i have 1 td1 and 2 IT rank 1
strong forum
ye then go save for TD3 id say
still pagoda
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/636885067771412491/734163221262631012/JUST_1.jpg?width=521&height=521
@strong forum
I am the epitome of Gets hit by a swirly
strong forum
rock that TD4/5+2xIT1
pearl jetty
So Vision major with lucid/warden/aegis is pretty much the standard for keys?
shadow wagon
is quick or gale force better for prot?
strong forum
lucid/warden/cns
sweet summit
force multi @shadow wagon
strong forum
you wanna run force mult sasquatch
pearl jetty
bet thanks
cedar stump
Is there anything I can do as Prot to make the sisters in WC easier on my healer? We keep getting wrecked on them.
strong forum
you wanna rotate kicks on the main witch
since she hits you for a fuckton
you wanna reflect into 2 kicks
fierce bobcat
are meme comps like method's 30 tanks on nyalotha with tons of TD type of thing feasible in M+? 4 tanks stacked with TD and a healer type thing ever tried?
limpid pawn
TD6 or TD 5With two IT?
sweet summit
TD6 
fierce bobcat
it seems a lot of ppl are bored and running out of content so for science? lol
a bunch of yall are basically BiS, farming mythic nzoth with ease so just doing weekly maintenance stuff now?
coral marsh
titanforge bad
lean arch
Some people enjoy just playing the game with no reward, oddly enough
Or trying new builds
More likely working on alts
main vault
I miss titanforging
steep bone
Yeah lfr quality item better than mythic was fun or was it just heroic
main vault
more fun than this corruption system
lean arch
I got 880 boots in emrald nightmare lfr on an alt. 895 was ilvl cap
split portal
pine lotus
i feel like my warr get destroyed by spirit breaker compared to my druid
sweet summit
well yeah bear has more armor with IF so they take less damage
block doesnt work against spirit breaker
pine lotus
ive been saving demo shout for it and i make sure ignore pain is up
anything else i can do besides kite/lost
pine lotus
thank you
warm nexus
how should my rotation be?
sweet summit
uhh have you read the guide?
sweet summit
why whould i waste time answering something thats covered in the guide?
read the pins in #general :)
sweet summit
i have read it
strong forum
👀
coral marsh
how is the alchemy trinket?
sweet summit
decent but there are better options
very good if you want to stack vers
coral marsh
what is the best profession for prot atm besides engi
sweet summit
proffesions dont really mean much
sweet summit
but ye ^
strong forum
ring / pants+belt / trinket
coral marsh
problem is my main is alch engi and im kinda regretting going all in on alch
cant change anymore
sweet summit
you can buy those back for 800 gold
coral marsh
old world stuff
sweet summit
if you wanna relearn it at some point
coral marsh
i have all professions maxed till legion and all of my alts are also engi (almost all)
but i guess i should have went bs
strong forum
https://i.imgur.com/G1SX9r3.png full meta gear acquired yey
now i can finally fall asleep in keys
and wait till BFA is over
coral marsh
i hope you boost to get a bit out of it
mellow patio
Where’s your glove socket brugger
coral marsh
millions and all solo
strong forum
just did 4 visions with 0 masks cuz i just wanted the echoes
couldve gotten the socket but fuck off
visions are cancer
distant crystal
casual
strong forum
facts
coral marsh
what are the best essences for visions btw?
novel ruin
Duo with dps and go formless major
distant crystal
i've heard tank + blaster dps is good
novel ruin
I pull entire zones and he EQs e\verything
strong forum
na tanks fuck up scaling in multiplayer visions
so much
you take so much more dmg
novel ruin
prot takes no damage
sweet summit
minmaxing visions 
strong forum
na fam i did that mistake once
all 3 multiplayer visions i attempted were fails
fullon
never again
novel ruin
idk ive tanked with 4 ppl before in visions
novel ruin
did no damage
strong forum
visions are dogshit content, cant change my mind
novel ruin
good thing you dont ever have to do them again once you have sockets
novel ruin
me too lol, why i still need 6 sockets
distant crystal
visions were cool until they weren't
strong forum
visions were cool from cloak level 7 to 12
before 7 they were stupid figuring them out
mellow patio
It was an ok idea but the execution was off
strong forum
from 7 to 12 you did actually progress
mellow patio
That’s blizzards MO
strong forum
past 12 it was roflstomp
distant crystal
dota2's new minigame is sorta like horrific visions lol
5 difficulty levels co-op pve
strong forum
mobas in 2020
strong crescent
It’s the extreme time gating that makes them horrific
strong forum
facts
distant crystal
idk
strong forum
thankfully they took that away from torghast
you dont need to grind an arbitrary key to do torghast
you can just go and do it
strong forum
exactly
strong crescent
Why I still need to farm coalescing is beyond me
strong forum
from now on ill just buy my weekly core with echoes
miss me with visons and assaults
strong crescent
At lest lower the cost of the vision
Make it so I can run it more than 3-6 times a week(if I’m doing all my dailies every single day)
distant crystal
there should be baked-in mementos/echo income inflation
strong crescent
They’re idea on a catch up still isn’t good enough
distant crystal
the amount you get from everything should just go up like 10%/week or something
strong crescent
Pre patch is on the way, remove the barriers to content
novel ruin
wow they give us a decent catch up system and people still want more...
sweet summit
Never enough
You could make a quest to talk to magni and give a cloak at max rank/resist and id still complain
cinder pasture
Just send me all the stuff in the mail. I'll be happy then 😉
novel ruin
the only issue with the current system is if you were a brand new player and had to do the essence grind plus everything else
limpid pawn
so i have a trinket (scale) with leech + socket
how worth it is getting an alchemist stone
novel ruin
key level and are you full vers?
limpid pawn
full verse, going to do +25 KEYS
novel ruin
and what is your current trinket?
limpid pawn
i have every single trinket available
novel ruin
Alch stone would be worth obtaining, gives over 5% vers
but equip it when you need it
limpid pawn
that 5% verse is worth it even over a trinket with leech?
i have like 10% leech with all my leech pieces
novel ruin
it can be
depending on route/dungeon
cuz its a base 5% or so depending on how many amps you have so thats a consistent 2-3% DR
novel ruin
void focus fully made?
think i spent 20ish K this week going from 0 to 175 Alch and making the 3 alch trinkets
slim crater
does C&S dr w/ sphere of suppression?
novel ruin
dr?
sweet summit
Sphere minor with cns major makes the root not work
warm plinth
30% OR HIGHER
sweet summit
At or above 30% yeah
warm plinth
Caps
sweet summit
WHY ARE YOU YELLING
warm plinth
Because I'm special
novel ruin
WE ARE WARRIORS, WE ROAR
novel ruin
lol
still pagoda
the only issue with the current system is if you were a brand new player and had to do the essence grind plus everything else
@novel ruin
I actually did this shit this April
novel ruin
F
sick sentinel
so,
i have 11/n and like, 4 or 5 or 6/H on a hunter and 1/12n on my tank
if i could run wrath and skitra on M get trinket weapon shoulders would be good
novel ruin
im confused if you are asking a question or not @sick sentinel
sacred nexus
is he saying he has raid prog of 6/12H, and wants a carry through Wrath/Skitra on Mythic?
novel ruin
idk
real fossil
sick sentinel
this is my progression on m+
and then i timed ml 15 last week, tried to do ur 15, but that went to hell, tank buster wrangled me and it went down hill
novel ruin
@sick sentinel Take a video of your gameplay, upload either to twitch or youtube and we can go over it
novel ruin
@limpid pawn farm lesser viison, itll eventually drop. I spent about 15min killing mobs in there to get it
then you just make the 440 to get 455 recipe then make 455 for 470 recipe
novel ruin
@limpid pawn I believe it can drop in any of the assault zones but not 100% sure. Perhaps visions as well, but idk
timber dagger
limpid pawn
can it drop from outside the minor vision
or do i have no chance of getting it today
keen rivet
@limpid pawn You can get it from the mobs in the minor vision yes (probably the easiest way imo).
They also drop from other mobs outside the minor vision, within the assault zones
(Don't forget you'll need the recipe for Void Focus as well, as well as Void Focus Splinters)
sick sentinel
yeah, thats the other big reason i want to go
i can get points towards the forge to make a 480 helm, one i got now is fine
knotty fiber
Is there an easy way to drop necrotic stacks on the waycrest fight? dps in my recent group was slow enough that I ended up at 20+ stacks
mellow patio
What fight
limpid pawn
lol i think the assault needs to be active
grand drum
Assaults are always active though
buoyant walrus
Feels bad when I struggle with timing +12 keys and I see a YouTube video of a prot war timing a +21 with no healer
buoyant walrus
Haha yeah pug groups don’t help either. No one likes to do mechanics or help with interrupts
knotty fiber
@mellow patio lord and lady waycrest
hallow phoenix
I don't think I've ever had necrotic issues on that fight?
You can try kiting Lord waycrest with intercept chains and leap though, similar to how you kite to get spell reflect every cast
If you kite for spell reflect the stacks should auto drop now that I think about it
knotty fiber
ah. I didn't think there should've been a huge issue for it myself. Healer just kept letting me die even after I saved all my CD's for the last portion of the fight. DPS never interrupted the lady. All the DPS were super low, too
honest pine
Hey idk if its the right channel , can anyone tell me in freehold at the second boss trash, if the caster rats are always there regardless of the boss event being made ? like i did a key , did the event and according to MDT it shoudnt be any caster rats active and yet when i did the pull there was 2
limpid pawn
It's certain other locations that have variance of adds
i think near the second boss directly across from them, the frost mobs go away once you all talk to the fox/drink beer
if you didn't all talk to them, then they are still there
hallow phoenix
The friendly mobs will turn hostile until you best the council
If you pull their pack
Almost always
@honest pine
quiet crypt
I have a question about Vexiona
Whenever I’m tanking adds and the portal opens, I can’t bring the casters towards Vexiona and keep everyone in a group
quiet crypt
Thank you!
sly prism
So trying to work out how to position kujo in workshop so people can dps behind the block... is there any like general rule of thumb for it?
hallow phoenix
The box is a rectangle not a square. Put him on any corner and your team goes to the corner on the long side of the box
You have some wiggle room if he's not right on the corner of the box but melee may not be able to reach
Hopefully your team doesn't spread way the heck out so kujo stops jumping around faster, or a hunter can feign and give you plenty of time.
Make sure you're by the corner you want him at so he starts running right at you, and you can simply take a few steps to position him after he's done jumping
round vortex
Hmmm 6x TWD or 5x TWD, 1x Expedient1 and 1x IT1
undone sun
10/10
hallow phoenix
No
He'd be centered on the corner and your team would be hugging the left side of the box at the bottom left position
sacred nexus
@round vortex I'm personally aiming for TWD5 (3+2), and IT2 (2x1)
round vortex
@sacred nexus Yeah I can't decide hey. The damage is really good at this point so I am thinking for the smoothing and hasty boi of putting a bit somewhere else.
sacred nexus
I like the additional uptime of Shield Block with IT
round vortex
im exclusively on Nzoth atm so thats probably context for what I want lol
I say expedient instead of a second IT because this is my other piece LOL
pine lotus
how do i find the junkyard hardmode boss rot for NA, the raider io site shows the eu one right
hidden plaza
thought it was the other way
pine lotus
ohh okay
pine lotus
warm sleet
I went gunker, trixie and gobbamack, today and yesterday The tank I was with yesterday went gobbamack, gunker, trixie cuz he doesn’t understand that dps needs shock bots. So I think the hard mode goes trixie, gobbamack then gunker
NA
fierce bobcat
so under 20+ level, we want to go for max dps with haste > crit > vers, and stack as much TD as possible?
primal dune
@fierce bobcat Yes
fierce bobcat
awesome i like nice, easy plans lol thx
primal dune
Right now at max corruption resist we can fit 5 TD and 2 IT
fierce bobcat
i'm at 102 resistance so I can go TD5 and IT1 I think?
ocean heath
What's the best way to handle the tank buster obelisk when he does the big hit? Have IP + spell reflect?
fierce bobcat
also ran low on keys so didn't want to test just for science - the boars in Visions, if we reflect their cast do we still take the sanity drain?
ocean heath
ah ok I thought it was shadow damage since it hits at range
so SB+IP on the spirit breaker cast, run away for 8 seconds, then re-engage
kind spindle
@ocean heath you can also leap away and outrange it if you time it right. I usually do that on the first one.
mellow patio
It’s not blockable
It is a huge piece of phys damage, but it isn’t blockable. You will want to make sure you are blocking everything else he does though
ocean heath
oh right as SB only works on melee physical attacks
mellow patio
Since it increase damage taken by 100%
undone sun
ranged physical attacks are also blockable
ocean heath
I think I run too far away from healers when dragging the obelisk guys around and get to low health alot
hallow phoenix
I just let my DPS pull threat and eat spirit breaker while I'm kiting him to where he needs to go, then I yell at them
limpid pawn
how many pulls does it take normally to reach secret room?
mellow patio
Respect
I think we were at like ~200
@limpid pawn
But we were potato brains on anguish for way too many pulls
limpid pawn
we at 250 pulls, no secret room
furthest we've ever reached was third evoke anguish drop
looking bad?
mellow patio
Not too bad. It’s a tough last boss I wouldn’t be too discouraged at 250
Once you hit secret phase you can literally kill it within 10 pulls
If you’re getting past the first and second anguish consistently you are in decent shape
reef hornet
How much haste do you guys like to sit at, I arms MS. I can move some gear around but I sit at 60% haste with TD 5. Could drop 10% for an additional td
Dont know if worth though, mainly for M+
mellow patio
M+ if not stacking vers you’ll generally want as much Td as you can fit in
civic rover
I’d say try dropping the 10% and see how you feel. I personally can’t stand losing that much haste but you’ll probably overall do more damage.
@limpid pawn my guild just downed M N’Zoth in like 90 pulls (but 14 ppl already have CE) and I asked them how many pulls it took them originally, they said about 200-220 to get to secret phase and from there it took them like 15 more pulls. Just to give you an idea, you might not be in such bad shape
mellow patio
Sounds about right. You are through the difficult part of the fight
sand turret
how do I position kujo correctly to be able to hit him behind cover?
mellow patio
No
round vortex
YeH I’m running TD 6 now with 39 corruption. When it crits the psychus it owns
This is 5 stacks. 4 million crit lol
So see what 6 stacks does this week. Absolutely murders the tenti’s as well and near one shots a spike on mythic Nzoth
royal rune
Do I need to be facing the debilitating back hand from akali. 3rdv boss KR?
amber siren
i'd imagine you'd have to face her to dodge/block/parry it
hallow phoenix
Yes
vestal cypress
how do I position kujo correctly to be able to hit him behind cover?
@sand turret somebody can share this Weekaura? All on wago dont have a Description and seems only to show if im hidden but this Dont help me with positioning him correct?
hallow phoenix
I don't even know how that would work or what it would look like. Checking if you have the buff is the only way to know if you're safe
wheat python
@vestal cypress https://wago.io/c1R5x7hna
Itll pop a stealth icon if your safe on the same side
You're*
sweet summit
There aint a WA to help position him
wheat python
Nope. It takes a bit of practice but once you got it it's hard to flub it up
I watched some streamers do it a few times, failed twice, then got it since. Try it in lower keys so you don't rip somebody's key
steep bone
how long vers amps gonna last for?
sweet summit
what do u mean
hidden plaza
reset
coral marsh
void ritual is a trash corruption right?
coral marsh
even when there arent two more people with it?
sweet summit
it becomes better with that, but still better options out there
coral marsh
is it more efficient to stack lots low tier corruptions or few high tier if you dont have much resistance
or does it not matter?
steep bone
just don't overcorrupt yourself, but things like IT you want to have on rank 1 as 2x rank1 takes less corruption than single rank2
coral marsh
i have a ta rank 3 and am debating cleansing all my gear to just use that one
good idea?
sweet summit
TA? tendie?
coral marsh
appendage
sweet summit
na its not ideal
steep bone
if it was td then ye
sweet summit
do you have TD at all?
coral marsh
one rank one
coral marsh
the haste proc rank 1
the crit one rank III
appendage II
thats what i have 39 corruption
and i have a appendage rank III and ritual II unequipped
sweet summit
unluck
VR2 is probably better than severe and RP and it should be same corruption too iirc
sweet summit
whatever you have epuiped works tbh
coral marsh
i needed like 6 tries with og
sweet summit
but get more TD, TD is always the answer 🙂
coral marsh
and two times i bugged below the ground
ye i dont want to farm currency for the best corruption
just trying to make the best out of it to finish the achievements that will be removed
steep bone
if you fail 5mask with 470 then it's more like your gameplay than gear
TD helps with clearing, tendie is also nice for bosses but you can do it without that
coral marsh
ye but i dont care for nice gameplay, i dont even watched a guide for og 5 mask
just want to overgear and be done with this trash
steep bone
you're already overgeared
corruptions won't carry you if you play bad as you'll lose sanity very quick to casts, stuns etc
sweet summit
you're not gonna be oneshotting everything in visions
its current content so they are tuning it to avoid this
coral marsh
so i should cleanse the appendage rank III to equip it over a -15 itemlevel but with socket item?
steep bone
sometimes i managed to oneshot rexar with like 3 procs of td in a row and proccing gift out of his adds
@sweet summit unless you're fire mage or hunter
steep bone
aye but they can oneshot bosses
sweet summit
i guess
steep bone
like how much hp they have on 5mask, like 5mil?
sweet summit
idk tbh
steep bone
i think something around that
winter sand
I think rexxar is 3.9 or 4.9 mil when you are dps spec
steep bone
yee thats like a spit for fire mage
winter sand
Yea I kill him with 3-4secs of combustion left usually
steep bone
but i still think that bm hunter or dh have easiest time of all
winter sand
Perhaps.. But I dont know if you can compare it really. it is pretty easy as fire mage, and it is pretty easy as prot warrior. But maybe bm or dh can do it faster? I am not sure
steep bone
thing with mage is that you don't really do damage outside of comb, bm is doing damage all the time so is dh 
but prot warrior is chill and hard to fuckup
still pagoda
it is really hard to fuck up tank vision runs
sweet summit
sweet summit
its 3 different people
undone sun
Ah ok
sweet summit
monkaShake
elder plinth
got a bit dumb question but need an opinion, what do u think could be highest key I should be able to tank with that ?
elder plinth
did quite a lot of motherloads and atals for shield but only got one from M0 when my friends stacked full plate party that can drop shield
lol
elder plinth
i guess time to spam more atals and motherloads
but like 10-12 should be doable right?
sweet summit
defo
woven idol
yes for sure
sick sentinel
@elder plinth i tanked 14-15s with 450 ilvl gear, not with friends but in pugs. And I was new to warrior
It was little bit pain but always only 5-10min over time
steep bone
you can do 15s with like m0 gear if you play correctly and don't overpull
well maybe not full m0 gear but like 440+
novel ruin
If you are 10-15ilvl below what the content drops you can do it.
proud hornet
any tips/guide on farming FH?
karmic meadow
Is anyone running a setup of TD3 2x IT1 and fill the rest with Vers or is it really a case of full TD or full vers (depending on content)
elder plinth
is the workshop tank trinket worth anything? :x or completly not worth to even consider
or more like, would 460 version be better than pvp trinket that gives me flat vers and str on use? I guess yes but not sure ;d
coarse radish
Plat plating is a fairly bad trinket
elder plinth
im gaining flat out 4% vers from the trinket just being on me so i guess pvp ones is better
oh good to know
thx ^^ cuz on icy veins its listed in notable trinkets
coarse radish
Regardless of ilvl on it it's just very poor value, I'd take virtually anything else over it
sweet summit
Literally the worst trinket in the game
@karmic meadow depends on what youre doing really
@proud hornet like freehold leveling boosting?
distant abyss
what's the best prot guide? can't see one in the pins
crisp dragon
2x IT1 and rest TD, that's all you need to know
novel ruin
Icy veins is usually the better place to check out
And it’s in the guides-resources channel
steep bone
is it playable?
sweet summit
Yeeeee
sick sentinel
i don't feel safe above 40 cr personally
steep bone
its fine with 59
sick sentinel
i was in UR 10-14 and i had 2 TFB come in nearly same time and hit me for 700 something K
steep bone
reflect them
sick sentinel
that was enough to convince me
steep bone
use cloak
sick sentinel
dead tank, dead key lol
sweet summit
just farming freehold keys or
proud hornet
normal for gold
got it down to 2 pulls pretty consistently just asking to see if there are more ways to optimize
sweet summit
i just do 1 pull per island :p
proud hornet
what cuases the rubberbanding?
sweet summit
what rubberbanding where?
sweet summit
oh when you're too far away from them, they snap you back to them
raven thistle
hey guys, i was looking at prot stats this week andevery1 running conf major
why is that?
elder plinth
at high keys u wanna have the thunder clap snaring stuff cuz u need to kite
raven thistle
doesnt it DR though?
sweet summit
no
elder plinth
actually from what I know it doesnt rly dr
raven thistle
so it roots 1 second always?
elder plinth
yes
sweet summit
any slow at or above 30% will null the root tho
raven thistle
dats kinda op
elder plinth
thats why they play it
raven thistle
only used for necrotic weeks right?
elder plinth
its only for super high key pushing from what I know
for necrotic its kinda risky cuz u gotta stay close enough to snare
how I deal with necrotic is just clap and leap if im too high on stacks
and keep running, clap without CnS still slows
so its just enough
dont rly know how high u have to push to make conflict worth but it is viable for just kiting purpose, nothing else
mellow patio
It doubles your vers
sweet summit
there are better options, but it helps
mellow patio
From conflict
that is why they run it
The root is added bonus, but it’s unlikely anyone would run it without the doubled vers value
elder plinth
oh, didnt know it actually has to be on major to give u that bonus
im kinda stuck on rank1 so playing it only on minor, hard to get enough gear for both prot and arms to be able to do pvp 😄 started like 5 days ago
mellow patio
Ye so it’s nice for prot cause the root triggers the double so you have near 100% uptime on double vers
And like I said the root is nice but not worth using if that’s the only reason you’re using it
elder plinth
at max im running like +13 this week, maybe gonna push to 15 next week and im just playing visions of perfection ^^
mellow patio
Rock solid choice soldier, keep fighting the good fight
raven knoll
is there a % number around i should have ignore pain / shieldblock up in an m+? like for example minimum "x" amount
sweet summit
no
mellow patio
Don’t worry about overall uptime
If you are tanking something you should be shooting for as high of uptime on SB as possible while you are tanking
Fill SB gaps with LS or SW
elder plinth
oh btw, Idk if I was doing it properly, but on mobs/bosses that ONLY deal magic damage, I shouldnt be using shield block or should I pop it sometimes for higher shield slam damage?
mellow patio
Correct
elder plinth
by correct you mean only use ignore pain? 😄
mellow patio
So like fortified zul Or third boss ML you shouldn’t be using SB
mellow patio
@raven knoll don’t worry about IP uptime it is used as a rage dump
still pagoda
@raven thistle
CnS route has a pretty specific niche of RDPS/healer mistake fixer in AD, FH and few other wonky places. Other than that, it is mostly a QoL major and not a gameplay defining one. Falls down in value really fast if everyone plays correctly
raven knoll
i was in a wm a few min ago and one of the dd's told me that my IP uptime is way to low
still pagoda
and indeed pretty memeworthy
raven knoll
so i got curious
mellow patio
If you have a log we can take a look but in general don’t listen to randos telling you how to play prot. A lot of things play into your overall IP usage
raven knoll
i didnt log i only have like the details
mellow patio
Use it when you have the rage to use it and you won’t drop SB. That is the only thing to worry about
still pagoda
i had 77% "IP uptime" in yesterday's +20FH just because i had a shitton of rage to dump
and mobs barely scratched me
grand drum
Your shield block/Last stand should be higher than ignore pain, with a few exceptions
still pagoda
Shield Block is the highest priority on rage spending
mellow patio
Doesn’t matter, uptime is a bad metric. You want to calculate % hits blocked
still pagoda
^
grand drum
Also there is last stand uptime, but blocking hits is the most important part
still pagoda
in M+ you really use LS as a gap closer
mellow patio
If you’re blocking as many hits as you can and pressing IP to dump rage, it is really that simple don’t stress too much. Also if you are not dying and dps are telling you how to play I commend you for not getting toxic
still pagoda
which is pretty rare considering no chain pulls occur
grand drum
Necrotic bursting
raven knoll
okey thanks
ye he was pretty toxic i gues telling me how to do my route and stuff
thanks for helping out
crystal dirge
yo, is there a cap on how much dmg reduction I can stack?
with versa
I have 5k with foodbuff atm, just dont wann get useless stats
warm plinth
DR caps at 85%
sweet summit
not even close 
distant crystal
is that new
undone sun
no
distant crystal
or is that 85% cap not active when you're stunned and getting the double DR from CNS
undone sun
also no
pine lotus
Is blade combo on last boss from Kr blockable
grand drum
Yes
sharp night
dr cap from vers is 99%, from armor is 85%, the bonus was nerfed to 50% but even at 100% nobody was reaching vers levels that high
arctic python
Can u run above 39 corruption in m+ 20 keys if you're not runnign full vers?
ionic fern
Can you? - Yes.
Should you? - Depends on your comfortability .
I know it's probably not the answer you were looking for but there's no clear-cut to this.
It depends on things like the dungeon, your group, your pull sizes, do you need SR for something or can you save it for TFB? etcetc
grand drum
Just curious, how much are people simming at ST?
novel ruin
no idea but my rough guess would be 50kish
and thats not built for straight ST at all, just M+ gear
strong forum
ST sims are around 65-70k i think
grand drum
I was simming at 55k with m+ setup, and changed to devastator and crucible major and simmed 63k, just wanted to see what the highest ST sim is so far
strong forum
simming is kind of a meme this patch
grand drum
tru
novel ruin
^^
chilly brook
ez timed 20 KR on the DH
sweet summit
Pog grats
still pagoda
gz
especially how KR is this week
dunno
it simmed 56k with typical pre-21-22 setup
strong forum
im at 49.3k with full turtle
solemn hull
Was thinking that
distant crystal
leeeeeeech
chilly brook
@still pagoda tbh it was smooth af
Only had like 4 deaths and 1 was to someone ripping threat on tank buster
1 was to axe boss bleed
The other 2 were last boss but I mean overall super clean
coral marsh
is the procrate on the alchemy trinket terrible?
novel ruin
@coral marsh 20% ish
chilly brook
Alch trinket is pretty good tbh
coral marsh
stat wise it looks nice but the proc feels even rarer than rezan
chilly brook
Assuming you actually need something with vers
Proc seems to be up a decent amount for my monk
novel ruin
it was up 21% of the time in the 21 FH i just did
novel ruin
ye?
coral marsh
i guess i didnt test it long enough
distant abyss
how long would it take to farm conflict if I've never really pvped? and what's the best sub for it?
distant crystal
5 weeks is p reasonable
novel ruin
@distant abyss goal should be 1400-1600 rating in 2s. Arms or Fury would work depending on what you are comfortable with. Takes about 5-8 weeks depending onr ating
still pagoda
Only had like 4 deaths and 1 was to someone ripping threat on tank buster
@chilly brook
last time i had such run
it was 3 weeks ago
most of the time it's 1-2 deaths on me
and around 30 times DPS die to puddles and stuff
chilly brook
@still pagoda yea I mean tbh I screwed up cuz I had the wrong thing targeted and taunted one of the cysts
still pagoda
distant abyss
@novel ruin thanks 🙂 also does anyone know if u can buy essences for tank spec on say a rogue? i.e. aegis of the deep
distant abyss
annoying af
warm plinth
Why is it annoying? Like are you wanting to be able to use Aegis on the rogue?
distant abyss
no I main rogue, and want to unlock it for my warrior
fierce bobcat
if u have the R3 equivalent for rogue can't you buy it for war even though it's a different effect?
warm plinth
If you have the DPS essence unlocked and learned on your rogue, you should be able to buy Aegis on your warrior
fierce bobcat
u can buy it for 2500 from mother i think
distant crystal
unbound force right
warm plinth
All of the essences have tank, heal and dps versions
Yeah I'm pretty sure it's unbound force
fierce bobcat
it's called different things but every essence has more roles than just tank
warm plinth
Except the non-role specific ones
fierce bobcat
if u just goto mother on ur prot war you'll see aegis up though
fierce bobcat
i barely know the names of the essences for my alts but i know they're all available now lol so you should be good from ur main rogue
distant crystal
the best part is that they all have a different name for the item that gives it
so you have to read a thousand tooltips
still pagoda
If you have the DPS essence unlocked and learned on your rogue, you should be able to buy Aegis on your warrior
@warm plinth @distant abyss
iirc, rep essences can be bought on all of account after grinding it out
warm plinth
Yes that's what I meant.
distant abyss
thinking I was gonna have to go back to mecha after the model w grind was scaring me a little
still pagoda
don't bother with Aegis minor if you're not intending to push giga keys
limpid pawn
ok i made my alchemist stone finally
still pagoda
i would use Lucid or Sphere instead
limpid pawn
sitting at 57% versatility
28.63% DR without any buffs
prob somewhere between 35-40+% with C&S
crisp dragon
What do you guys think, vita 460 or N'zoth trink 470 for Progress
civic rover
ahh
why not use both?
realistically you can probably go double damage trinkets for most of the raid, i mainly raid on monk though, there's quite a few CE prots here who know more.
still pagoda
What do you guys think, vita 460 or N'zoth trink 470 for Progress
@crisp dragon
Vita is bis no matter ilvl
It gives much more stats compared to any other trinket
crisp dragon
Thank you, Ill make sure to try and grab one
still pagoda
I personally progged nearly every boss with vita and scale
civic rover
yeah i've only done first three, raden, and vex on mythic, i used LPS on wrath and vex (and on vex i tanked the big add)
still pagoda
I didn't use LPS on anything up to mythic ilgy
And even then i did so as a precautionary measure
left sedge
what potions better? unbridled fury or str pot for heroic cara an nozth?
im using lfr nzoth and heroic maut tank trinkets should i swap the nzoth out for vita or no
left sedge
what trinket is scale?
civic rover
the one you get from wrathion
timber nest
gonna be tanking my first heroic NYA tonight. Any quick tips?
left sedge
listen to yoru lead, first 3 on heroic are easy
taunt swap wrath at 2 stacks of searing
skit 1 tank gets 1 phase other tank gets the other split you have to figure otu which copy is the real one, killing the wrong one will wipe
for maut alternate who gets the teal orbs during stone phase
have a dps drop a puddle near you so you dont have to run far for stigian annihilation
once thats off then go back to tanking outside of the puddle
hm i have normal lvl vita, heroic humming, heroic maut trinket- sigil, and lfr lvl nzoth lingering shell
still pagoda
gonna be tanking my first heroic NYA tonight. Any quick tips?
@timber nest
Read stats on wowhead and tanknotes, ignore "first 3 on HC is easy" from above and remember that at that point even first 6 bosses in mythic are really easy, not even talking of HC and how easy it is as a whole. Cooperate with your lead and co-tank and don't be shy to always ask of nuances and stuff
hm i have normal lvl vita, heroic humming, heroic maut trinket- sigil, and lfr lvl nzoth lingering shell
@left sedge
Vita + dragonscale
Dump LFR LPS and sigil into the trash bin
proper sigil
should i be using ignore pain off cooldown or is my main mitagation going to be SB
still pagoda
LPS is only good if 470/485
left sedge
i also have lfr tormetn and normal writhing segment
still pagoda
Sigil is 
tier
i also have lfr tormetn and normal writhing segment
Torment is a meme without ilvl of hc at least, drest is pvp trink and not usable in pve
left sedge
oh really? main toons a hunter so learning melee as i go
still pagoda
should i be using ignore pain off cooldown or is my main mitagation going to be SB
@proper sigil
#268491842637660160
It is better if you read the guides first and then come here and ask better questions
😁
oh really? main toons a hunter so learning melee as i go
@left sedge
Seriously, just roll with vita and dragonscale. They are the best trinkets up until +22 key range and mythic ilgynoth where you can start using LPS(N'Zoth trinket)
left sedge
okay
serene stirrup
heya guys, i'm planning to go back to my prot war, for corruptions i have to aime for 1 TD3 and all other to Versatile ?
still pagoda
heya guys, i'm planning to go back to my prot war, for corruptions i have to aime for 1 TD3 and all other to Versatile ?
@serene stirrup
All TD man
serene stirrup
thnx dude ^^ sorry iwould've checked first 🙂
left sedge
@still pagoda is that for my+ too or just raiding to use those trinks
still pagoda
@still pagoda is that for my+ too or just raiding to use those trinks
@left sedge exactly the same
Though i wrote it in that message
"They are the best trinkets up until +22 key range"
left sedge
what do you suggest for neck essences then if different than what icy veins suggests
novel ruin
22 Shrine today, Spell Reflected Water Blast on first boss for 940k damage everytime. Thanks Tyran ^_^
still pagoda
Typical tyr week it is
what do you suggest for neck essences then if different than what icy veins suggests
@left sedge
There's nothing different, but better also
calm magnet
Im currently using a socketed 460 void twisted titanshard for my full vers set. Good or nah?
calm magnet
So back to humming?
exotic spoke
Vita if you have a vita otherwise humming
calm magnet
I have both, so is that better?
exotic spoke
Vita > humming
still pagoda
For what you're even using this vers set if you're asking such questions? @calm magnet
calm magnet
Just wanted to get other people’s opinion
raven knoll
yo guys sorry if it got asked that many times but is lucid major completly trash this week?
still pagoda
Since asking about void shard is definitely not a sign of a high key pusher
yo guys sorry if it got asked that many times but is lucid major completly trash this week?
@raven knoll still great
Main point of Lucid is CDR
raven knoll
with cdr you mean the rage into anger management or?
still pagoda
But fill vers set is really suboptimal in everything below +24-25
with cdr you mean the rage into anger management or?
Exactly
Nothing else it can mean in how AM works
Got one 4k rogue tell me that lucid is trash
And saying that "peech is the main point"
calm magnet
Ayt thanks 🙂
still pagoda
Which it is not
raven knoll
i never tried it out i was only playing vision major. but i feel like ill constantly overcap when i activate it
raven knoll
hahaha
still pagoda
You spam it even more
still pagoda
I have IP on 2
raven knoll
ye i should have used something simple
sick sentinel
i went to do 4 mask solo and i got to the boss but it had 4% hp left
couldnt do it
gift ran out too quickly got rolled by something on thrall, never recovered
even had the heal potion
molten stratus
feelsbadman
civic rover
visions as prot for me are kind of a pain
idk just everything messing with movement makes it harder to position for optimal td angles and i end up doing not that much damage, much easier as fury for me
gilded lark
Hi all, im just starting to move my warrior to prot and I have a ton of corruption currently. I have 1 TD 3 but after that what do I run? do I stack some expedients or verse or whats best? Also should I cleanse the wrath weapon?
left sedge
pog, heroic lingering shell from nzoth
civic rover
cleanse the wrath weapon
gilded lark
would be nice, but ill mainly be doing M+
ok I kinda figured, it seems weaker than other stuff
civic rover
ideally for a vast majority of content (the outlier being very high mythic+ keys, talking like 23+), you want 2 ineffable truth rank 1, and then as much TD as you can fit while being at a comfortable corruption level. For me, I'm sitting at 38 corruption (with max rank cloak) while running TD5 (a TD3 and a TD2), and 2 IT rank 1s.
if you need a filler expedient is an good choice
gilded lark
so dont buy the IT rank 2 thats in the shop right?
main shoal
Hey for 15s hows lucid vs aegis
My essence setup right now consists of vop, cns, lucid and warden
but ive seen ppl run both lucid and aegis
and not sotw
civic rover
aegis doesn't have a lot of value if you aren't vers stacking, what you have now is really good
gilded lark
prot doesnt want Severe right?
civic rover
nope
left sedge
whats good to use until one gets lucid cause i only have lucid r2 on my hunter
gilded lark
lucid minor right?
civic rover
yeah
left sedge
yeah ive been running aegis minor r3 in place as i dont have lucid on this toon
er my warr i mean
civic rover
thats fine too
gilded lark
I only have rank 2 aegis but I have everything else at rank 3 except for CS, is it ok to run m+ without aegis and CS?
civic rover
rank 2 conflict/strife is fine as a minor tbh
left sedge
whats cs? conflict/strife?
gilded lark
yeah
gilded lark
I mean, you kinda just need the cape in general for nzoth
civic rover
i did it with a rank 3
left sedge
oh really
civic rover
only thing cloak rank impacts in raid is how much corruption you can run
and you can clear heroic nzoth with no corruption
fierce bobcat
lol sadly just had my closest attempt at heroic Nzoth with 29 tank meme group. Don't usually raid but saw a random pug in premade finder and checked it out for fun
kinda nuts, the top DH in group averaging 1.7M per TD
mellow patio
yes DH is stupid in the current year
main shoal
How do you deal with tantrum?
On underrot?
Its just too many larvaes that stack necrotic
mellow patio
the ticks?
warm plinth
You basically mark out 4 quadrants in the room with world markers. Typically we put the tank marker close-left, our slowest DPS close-right, then our more mobile DPS far-left and far-right. Pull him to the center as Tantrum is approaching, and then everyone should have approximately the same amount of bugs. If you have a rogue, they shouldn't restrict themselves to their specific quadrant (e.g. if they can get more than their own, they should since they have sprint for every Tantrum) @main shoal
There's no reason you shouldn't be able to get all the ticks 99% of the time, with maybe 1 or 2 going through in the worst situations.
placid oar
Hi guys, for Gunker. Can I ask why my leap side ways away from the group will cause 2 of my teammates to be meleed to death during that leap?
Was it due to me being slightly off melee range. Would greatly appreciate if someone could advise.
placid oar
Ah
Had 2 goop puddles spwning infront of the bot and I had a slow on me
My bad, Guess I shall improve more
Thanks btw Hawgz
mellow patio
🙂
lean arch
Contrary to what everyone believes, you don't have to spend the entire fight inside a bot circle
@placid oar
placid oar
Ah I see
Thank you sir
I Guess I should change my gameplay
I feel so bad when 2 members died
lean arch
Coalesce pulls slime in and toxic wave shoots it out. You only really need a bot for wave
placid oar
I see
lean arch
As long as no slime is behind you for coalesce
languid light
Not a warrior related question but how do I know what tomb it is going to be on the Embalmer in KR? So I can open asap and make the boss not do any other skills.
lean arch
You don't.
civic rover
pretty sure you can get a guarantee on the two mobs if you pull them right next to one coffin as you kill them but for the boss itself no
lusty turret
@languid light if you are talking about the boss bug, you need to assign the tank and healer on one side and the other 3 dps on the other. 2 dps have an assigned coffin same as the healer and tank and the 3rd dps basically covers whatever dps gets entombed. You have to click the coffin on the very first visible shake of the coffin and the boss will bug and cast no other abilities. Requires good reaction time and communication. Really be careful to not click early and spawn an add.
distant crystal
you can also just click em all and cc
if your group has the ccs for it
it's very worth if you bug boss
lusty turret
Clicking them all and cc’ing does not guarantee you get the bug. I would just try to do it correctly or not do it at all.
sweet summit
Feel like that bug is lowkey inconsistent, but works 90% of the time so good enough
formal grail
@warm plinth do you have a screenshot of the markers?
orchid frigate
lol was watching zmok farming ToS pants with leech. i go in and do weekly and:
he should be running with me 😉
dusk axle
Bruh. Trying to gear a dps alt is aids. Now I remember why I tank
My 428 BM hunter has been declined for 4 straight Mythic 0s... As a prot warrior I’m never declined even for things I’m borderline ready for lol
limber rock
can anyone give me the mark macro?
the one that instamarks all the targets in combat with you
toxic laurel
https://wago.io/1ctv3b91K You looking for this WA? M+ auto marker
sonic saddle
Effin double it1 is the bomb... triple avatar ftw... makes the spec sooooo fluid
With double it1 what's the haste % be at, sometimes my shield block is coming up before the one I have duration expires... I am at standalone 40% hate and with into the fray at 55%
sterile mantle
Switched to a more verse centered build and OMG its so much better
still havea few pieces to adjust but sitting at 42% vers buffed with food
Kinda miss the TD but man do the thunder claps hit hard now
loud shoal
helps protect you against mistakes and what not.. not really needed in keys below 25/26 but is nice to have
sterile mantle
has helped in raid too
modern brook
Zzzz
sweet summit
Raid???
loud shoal
don't know much about tanking raid, haven't done it this tier
sweet summit
Vers stacking in raids is a hard pass mate
sterile mantle
Its worked for me lol
sweet summit
Imean yeah but why
loud shoal
it's all preference right... vers is def gonna help you survive, but you are def sacrificing damage
it can help makeup for mistakes that might otherwise kill you as well
sterile mantle
Luckily we are starving in DMG area so i went a bit more defensive. We just downed Shad this week
modern brook
Yeah but preferring not big meters is 
strong forum
Big dam > smol dam
loud shoal
we made some progress this week... my dps io is getting close to overtakin my tank io..... many successes
sweet summit
This week?? Are you a masochist?
loud shoal
hey I wasn't tanking so I don't care lol
it's really not thaaatttt bad a week if you tank is smart
you are capped cuz of tyran, but like 25s/26s are pretty chill
sweet summit
it's really not thaaatttt bad a week if you tank is smart
This is my issue :(
loud shoal
maybe I should build my fury set again so I can aim for the 5k trifecta
sweet summit
6k trifecta when? 👀
loud shoal
I doubt that
strong forum
What's the top io for the dps versions even
strong forum
Arms and that other thing
sweet summit
Tox
loud shoal
lemme see
strong forum
BTW, erga are you just renamed rosjen or is that a weird coincidence
sweet summit
Im renamed
strong forum
Changed icon and everything
loud shoal
fury is 5474 and arms is 5692
sweet summit
: )
strong forum
For WEEEKS I thought you're a new guy....
strong forum
How tf am I supposed to know, I just randomly clicked on your profile and saw your btag and was like...
:think:
sweet summit
modern brook
Erga isnt new?
sweet summit
AYAYA
loud shoal
in what
sweet summit
How do i know when i joined
loud shoal
o in here?
sweet summit
Ye
strong forum
I just remember it was around the start of bfa beta
modern brook
how many of them are just 
or the bonkcat i cant do
shut summit
strong forum
2.2k is like 1 busy night
loud shoal
prob cuz I didn't start maining warrior until EP
modern brook
Bro not maining warriors never stopped me
sweet summit
What did you play then?
strong forum
Ever since I became SF I sent already 14k messages... That ain't healthy
Gotta slow down
modern brook
I've played rogue basically exclusively since season 2
came out of retirement on tanking last week
sweet summit
Oof thats like 2 months ago right
strong forum
Smth like that
loud shoal
I mained DH in raid from start of exp through BoD, DH for season 1/2... rogue for season 2/3, then switched to warrior raid EP-> now and for keys this season
sweet summit
Metaslave :^)
novel ruin
Uhmm
loud shoal
DH was not for meta reasons, just cuz my guild needed one..I was actually supposed to originally main a warrior at the start of the exp... rogue for keys was def meta