protection

[mental scarab]

Nha Thats why to much work🙈 for Naowh is rly pumping in the high keys and running vers

[sweet summit]

Because he is a good player yeah

If he had td he would do even more

[mental scarab]

Yea

[sweet summit]

Hes also using a lot more pots than you i imagine

Prepots add a decent chunk of damage

[mental scarab]

Im using pots on cd now👀

[sweet summit]

Havent watched a lot of streams so im just taking a wild guess

Uhhhh

[novel ruin]

Not just that but packs live longer thus allow more time to do AOE damage raising overall

[sweet summit]

Idk if id use pots on cd

[brisk ferry]

Naowh is running versa stack cause he's pushing as high as possible in keys

and needs to not die

[mental scarab]

But im swimming in the 19-20 keys now with me frends and trying to push 💪🏻

Yea i know that @brisk ferry

Got flammad when i joined a 21 shrine for not stacking vers and i used force enchant for wep and not Quick 😟

[sweet summit]

Dodged a bullet

[mental scarab]

Huhu

[toxic gyro]

You don’t necessarily need vers until 23-25 depends on the group

[mental scarab]

Yea i know

[civic rover]

i think the reason people care about vers in 21s so much

is that other tanks will need some vers but prot won't

[mental scarab]

Told them if they miss interupts im dead anyway by 2 casts

[civic rover]

and they just don't know

[mental scarab]

[sweet summit]

In my opinion, you can just stack vers if you really want to. Its a game afterall, go have some fun

[mental scarab]

Yea all the guys was sub 2.8k to

[civic rover]

yeah

[mental scarab]

I just wonna se big numbers

🤩

[civic rover]

but like brewmaster goes vers pretty much no matter what unless it's lower keys just because td kinda sucks on them

unless you stack a shitload of it

[toxic gyro]

Get some IT and I’ll be always too dmg in few bosses

Like lord and lady waycrest

Or 2nd last boss in shrine

[civic rover]

3rd boss in ML

[toxic gyro]

Or witches in waycrest

[mental scarab]

Yea i use 3 IF for nothing els fun to buy and R4 TD

[rancid ember]

@sweet summit First refreshing thing said about Versa in this thread since I joined. Thanks!

[sweet summit]

Fuck em

Bfa ded

Try to have fun

[mental scarab]

Yäs

[civic rover]

fun detected 😐

[mental scarab]

Need 250 more points for 3k

[sweet summit]

[mental scarab]

Then im almost big boy

[sweet summit]

I personally really enjoy full ineffable with ravager and dragon roar.
Is it optimal? Lol no.
Does it work? Kinda

Corruption is gone in like 2 months or something anyway idk

[left hatch]

yeh theres plenty of memey shit you can do

like stack all GW

or all TA and RP as a bm hunter

its a game so you can do w/e you want haha

just some builds are gonna make keys easier than others

also Leif DK's stack versa hella early

cause shit starts 1-shotting you in like 18's

trying to play blood in high keys is MonkaS

[sweet summit]

I got globaled on my dk in a 17

[left hatch]

other classes also benefit exponentially less than we do from haste

Monks your rotation actually gets worse and more annoying to do if you stack haste past a certain point

because you have a locked GCD and now need to waste more globals refreshing RJW

bears have a lower softcap for haste because they can hit armor cap, and with Frenzied Regen being on charges you stop gaining as much with haste

DK's have a gcd lock eventually regardless of how much haste to get cause of how their runes are designed

so for basically every other class versa is a better defensive stat

(i think pallies mastery edges it out a bit)

[sweet summit]

Vers is also lowkey close to best dps stat for dks afaik

[left hatch]

while were in a weird place where haste continues to be better defensively in nearly every situation

so in (relatively) lower keys if you're comfortable with your play and don't want to go TD, expedient is a viable (and provided yo'ure playing well) better pick than versa %'s

tho like i say daily versa is fantastic if you're new, uncomfortable with the route/party or your own play and is the only stat that'll really mitigate big mistakes

[civic rover]

yeah, thats why people are like "WHY U NO STACK VERS"

because other tank specs stack vers earlier than prot

[left hatch]

tbf its also cause they see the big bois stack it

[civic rover]

that too

[left hatch]

which... really silly cause Naowh was using 1IT and a TD2 most of yesterday... and going to 79 corruption

and was also meme running 22's

but ppl arn't gonna take in that context and think that only 1IT is enough or some shit

or 79 corruption is safe

smh

[civic rover]

thank god i dont pug

[left hatch]

right

[civic rover]

my group we tell each other "do what you want in sub 20s, when we start timing 20/21/22 keys regularly then we can really worry about min maxing"

[left hatch]

yeh i havn't had a real key in months

been trying to dick around with the stupid DH fel barrage fang build

and making my druid friend pull out his hair when i purposely pull threat knowing i have blade dance/blur up (;

[raven knoll]

do you guys know what key lvl onwards i need versa gear and amps?

[brisk ferry]

check top pin

(also should probably change the text in that pin?)

[sweet summit]

To what?

[brisk ferry]

not include his previous guild

[sweet summit]

Who cares :p

Gonna go away once SL hits

🤷

@raven knoll tldr when you die even with perfect play is when you need vers

[left hatch]

its gonna be really feelycrafty and dependent on your comfort level and your groups

strictly speaking versa isn't necesary until like Erga said, you are dying to 1-shots/burst damage despite playing perfectly

due to it stacking really slowly (85 per .5% DR) haste (and to a lesser degree crit) is point for point a better stat in reducing EHRPS aka damage smoothing

[raven knoll]

i see thanks!

[left hatch]

that being said. it is a FANTASTIC stat for mitigating mistakes

so if you're not very comfortable with your own play, the route, or your party it can be helpful

[torn ermine]

Any tips on making my life easier with necrotic? So far I'm running Bounding Stride talent and Honey Potpie

[left hatch]

some ppl 'need' it in early 20's

some ppl like Nom and karton are doing 22's and 23's with one or none versa amps

[sweet summit]

Whats honey potpie

[left hatch]

(and personally if you're in like the pre-20 range, even if you feel like you need the defensive benefit because you make mistakes a lot, i'm of the mindset that its sometimes good to die to your fuckups. and then learn from it. better to die in a 19 and realize 'oh shit i shouldn't have done that' than to have a versa safety net rescue you and not realize you made a mistake... and then go into higher keys without addressing the issue)

uhhhh

Honey potpie isn't going to do as much for you

as like haste food

for more SB uptime

[sweet summit]

Is that like speed food?

[left hatch]

it puts the tier 2 sphere effect on you

but idk if your dps is slow anytime you get to like 30ish stacks you can heroic leap away, shockwave and walk away, intercept to a healer/dps

or run sphere minor and have a perma 30% slow and just walk away from mobs lol

necro isn't really a big deal for us

you COULD also run CnS major but... thats kinda overkill tbh

[sweet summit]

How good would the dodge card be for ineffable ravager u think?

Wait nvm i need recal

[left hatch]

and you're losing more than you gain if you're just taking CnS major for the root

[raven knoll]

thanks for all the input. i even did read the stuff from noawh now! think im going for something like TD3 and fill with versa as a beginning and maybe remove td if i feel like it

[left hatch]

make sure you get 2 IT1's first (:

[sweet summit]

IT1 x2!!

[left hatch]

at any key level it is the best corruption

[torn ermine]

Which one is sphere?

[left hatch]

Sphere of suppression

[sweet summit]

Battleground honor essence thing

As a minor

[left hatch]

minor effect gives you a shitton of haste and slows attackers MS by 30%

[torn ermine]

Hmm ok. Never run battleground... so dont have it. 😕

[sweet summit]

Rank 1 is good enough

[left hatch]

even if you just get r1 its a very good minor

[raven knoll]

do you guts like that IT that much? like im going short on echos and IT is there now and verda comming soon. should i rlly invest into IT first

[left hatch]

yes

[sweet summit]

Yeah IT owns very much

[left hatch]

IT is 100% better than versa

regardless of the content level

[torn ermine]

Thanks. Will have to look it up

[sweet summit]

Imagine a 10 second cd on your kick woo

[raven knoll]

okey i thought its just a gimmick and more like a filler

[left hatch]

noooo

its...

kinda stupid how much it impacts play

being able to SR basically every rixxa dot / Cyclone Strike/ Wasting Claw

chaining 2 Ava's back to back consistently

sub 6s SB cd when it procs

[sweet summit]

Whats wasting claw

[left hatch]

its fucking juicy

the nasty dot from lord waycrest

[sweet summit]

Yeee

Wasting strike >:(

[left hatch]

ahhh

i was close (:

1/2 credit

[jovial nest]

Hey how should I be using the thunder clap root effect in m+ from conflict and strife?

[sweet summit]

[raven knoll]

so i want 2x IT on any prot build regardless if i go full TD or versa right? so i just put it on my 2 best items

[left hatch]

yes

[distant crystal]

@jovial nest you don't have to think about it much

[left hatch]

what do you mean how should you be using it?

its a passive

[distant crystal]

you can kite slower with backpedal clapping to keep them just out of range

[raven knoll]

me?

[distant crystal]

but mainly you're just enjoying extra versa

[left hatch]

no mr chef

[jovial nest]

@distant crystal I’ve kited trash for a while with it but seems like a lost or dps

of*

[left hatch]

yah the strong part of CnS is the double vers if yo'ure investing in amps

[distant crystal]

it's def a loss since only your clap hits them

but it's a gain vs just running away

[sweet summit]

Step nr1. Make sure u dont have sphere minor
Step 2 dont have a frost mage
Step 3 make ur assa rogue take off slow poison

[left hatch]

prot isn't really a spec that needs to kite

basically ever

[distant crystal]

he said, on necrotic week

[left hatch]

and we have enough tools to kite w/o it when you do need it

yeh

even on necro week, a SW -> leap away is sufficient to reset

or sphere minor

[raven knoll]

does IF effect every ability?

[distant crystal]

you can't always just leap away

not ever dungeon is freehold

[left hatch]

he also didn't specify necrotic

[distant crystal]

the main reason people run it is because they're running vers amp

[jovial nest]

Ya i was thinking of necrotic topic, was the second part of my question

[distant crystal]

and every time you clap your CNS vers is doubled

[sweet summit]

@raven knoll every warrior ability yes

So not trinkets/essences

[left hatch]

which means anything in spellbook

[sweet summit]

Not sure about racials but i doubt it

[left hatch]

same thing thats impacted by Ava/BV

nah has to be in warrior side of spellbook

[distant crystal]

anything in the *prot spellbook

[sweet summit]

Figured

[raven knoll]

okey thanks for all the infos ill get 2 pieces asap now

[left hatch]

but yah chef, if you're just taking CnS major for the root, theres usually better solutions to resetting stacks

and without the versa amps, the double vers stacks from it << benefits from VoP or lucid majors

[jovial nest]

Ya I have 25K echoes

So I get to buy the preserved cont. but not sure if my gear is good enough to use them

[sweet summit]

Lucid major this week bad dont @ me

[left hatch]

can still buy them and put them in bank till you feel like you got 'permanent' pieces

esp since it takes.. fuck 6 weeks to cycle through?

[jovial nest]

Ya by pre-patch lol

[sweet summit]

4.5 weeks iirc

[jovial nest]

What makes a piece of permanent?

BiS 465 ilvl good enough?

Feels like a tough decision

[left hatch]

depends on the content you do

[sweet summit]

Usually as high ilvl as possible with haste

[left hatch]

if you mythic raid, 470+

with haste

if you just do a couple 15's so your only source of mythic loot is the cache

465 w/ haste

[jovial nest]

So even if I’m vers stacking, haste > vers?

[sweet summit]

Depends

You want haste and vers on all items

[jovial nest]

Okay got it

[sweet summit]

Some items haste>vers other the other way around

Idk

Just get as much as possible of both stats if that makes sense

[jovial nest]

Ya it does thanks everyone

You guys truly are the ineffable truth

[raven knoll]

ist there any alternative to nzoth trinket? like deff wise thats as good?

[sweet summit]

Only good defensive trinket

Rest is poop

[left hatch]

Vita + scale

[sweet summit]

I guess alch stone kinda is a defensive triket? But those two do completely different things

[left hatch]

best defensive setup you can get w/o LPS

and yeh alch stone is but thats like...

25 key range

and you take it AND LPS

before that Vita is the king

[sweet summit]

Yeh

Vita fucking slaps man

[left hatch]

and if you don't wanna get LPS you pair it with Scale

or this week butchers block

[raven knoll]

noice thanks!!!

[stiff inlet]

Why butcher’s block this week?

[sweet summit]

Crit=parry

Parry=no necrotic

Crit also=big dam

[left hatch]

yeh it drastically reduces how fast you get stacks

[sweet summit]

And parry is not bad outside of necro either

[raven knoll]

what is butcher block even?

[sweet summit]

Waycrest trinket

[left hatch]

yah crit is technically better than versa for reducing damage

below the 20 range

cause even the most magic damage intense dungeons are still like 70+% phys

[sweet summit]

Its just "unreliable"

[left hatch]

well thats why its not better in raid

with trash the curve normalizes

so you still get the benefit from it despite it not proccing 'reliably'

[tacit vapor]

if im not planning on doing super high keys do i really need to go vers stacking as prot? i would like to buy the haste corruptions for my arms gear

[strong forum]

no you dont need to stack vers

vers stacking is what bad pugs think is needed in their 22 and lower keys

cuz they dont possess enough knowledge of the game and blindly copy whats being done is 28+ and think it applies to their baby keys

[tacit vapor]

oki ty

[civic rover]

can someone pin what nomeratur said

[split portal]

Good comps for this week?

[halcyon coyote]

https://i.imgur.com/kAjBaEt.png

frame it

[civic rover]

@split portal if you don't have CnS rank 3 and therefore don't want to use it major to help with necrotic getting something like a frostmage can help with kiting necrotic.

resto druid is a very good healer this week as well, typhoon works with necrotic pretty well

[split portal]

Is cns3 really worth replacing slows? I feel like 1 second isn‘t much time

[civic rover]

it doesn't seem like much time but when you're able to clap a lot it makes kiting pretty easy

[still pagoda]

the best help with necrotic you can get is kiting by yourself if you feel really badly

fuck your healer, go to 60 stacks

[civic rover]

again i think it depends on comp, if you have slows just use what you would normally use as major. CnS is never required but it makes it a bit easier

[split portal]

Will try it out, ty

[wintry briar]

What's a decent haste % unbuffed without into the fray?

[strong forum]

30%

[distant crystal]

vers amps for everybody

prot warriors, havoc dhs, shadow priests, no matter

[cinder pasture]

But I don't want vers amps 😦

[modern brook]

You dont need CNS for necrotic

[split wyvern]

@strong forum what Nom said is so true across all classes about copying builds for keys

[modern brook]

But it has more utility than normal this week

Affixes dont affect our essences that much

[mellow patio]

presses heroic leap

scratches head

[exotic spoke]

Just dwarf

[mellow patio]

Beta alliance 🚨

Red team rules

[exotic spoke]

Alliance racials are superior for m+

[mellow patio]

Yeah but at the cost of being on the worse team

[obtuse yoke]

i usually just shockwave and leap

cns is a bonus if i mess up

[civic rover]

laughs in panda player

"I can play BOTH SIDES at once! BOTH SIDES!"

[raven knoll]

if you guys have IF procc do you just press stuff you dont need in this sec maybe like demo or shieldblock to get the cd rolling?

[strong forum]

IF proc?

[raven knoll]

IT

sry

[strong forum]

ah no

you continue rotation as normal

every button but Devastate is a CD anyways

and you almost use everything on CD aswell

so theres nothing to press extra 🤔

[raven knoll]

okey okey

yeah was just thinking about like if i dont need shieldblock now but got 2 stacks and might need in in like a 2-3 secs i just press it to get one thing rolling cause its faster up with IT

if you get what im saying

[strong forum]

na thats not advised

since the lower CD doesnt roll over

like "snapshotting" with haste procs

[raven knoll]

ohh i see

and like if i get IT and i get like shieldblock and revenge procc but got no rage problems do you guys still just use clap every global?

[strong forum]

prioritise rage generation

aka TC > SS > revenge in aoe

SS > TC > revenge in 1-3 target

[raven knoll]

perfect thx

[grim pulsar]

boys does the same go for shield as weapon highest ilvl?

[warm plinth]

Yes

[grim pulsar]

i have shield 440 with better stats than my 665 junkyard shield

okay cheers

[limpid pawn]

220 pulls on n'zoth mythic now, haven't made it to secret room

seems like a huge problem at this point

[obtuse yoke]

how close have you made it?

[limpid pawn]

never had whole group alive past first evoke

[obtuse yoke]

once you get evokes down the rest of the fight is free

[limpid pawn]

theres like the same 3 people dying on evoke 1 or before

[obtuse yoke]

my guild went from 1st evokes to dead boss in like 50 pulls

we had that and we moved them around, assuming you guys have spots for evoke

[limpid pawn]

we aren't your guild, we've been doing over 100 pulls getting to this point at best

it's sad

[obtuse yoke]

i know you aren't my guild but i'm just trying to relate your experience to mine because i know that the fight feels impossible at evokes

[tropic kite]

Hi All, I have been messing around with corruptions when I am grinding 15s for echos or just weeks with Tyrannical or other annoying Affixs. I typically throw on a few TDs at that key lvl. I have tried throwing on some Expedient as well and I am wondering what corruptions people run for lower keys. Do others just keep Vers with all their TDs? Maybe another corruptions? Just a general question about what others use for setups for farming keys?

[warm plinth]

TD, TD, and more TD

With an IT1 or 2

Vers isn't necessary until you're well into the 20s

I think right now I'm running TD6 and IT1

[limpid pawn]

after pugging a lot

[split wyvern]

^ Nom was mentioning this earlier too about Vers stacking

[limpid pawn]

i would say, at around 22+ keys

just switch to verse even if you don't need it

just to get healers to STFU

[warm plinth]

Yeah I think if you're doing early 20s and plan on going farther it makes sense to do vers anyway since you will need it eventually

[split wyvern]

vers stacking is what bad pugs think is needed in their 22 and lower keys
@strong forum

[warm plinth]

But if you're only doing 15s for echoes and such, definitely TD

[split wyvern]

cuz they dont possess enough knowledge of the game and blindly copy whats being done is 28+ and think it applies to their baby keys
@strong forum

[limpid pawn]

other classes, go versatile much earlier than us btw

[tropic kite]

I was messing around with haste, juts cause I know that TD procs scale with haste. Or is there no amount of haste that would catch just having another TD?

[limpid pawn]

like brew goes full verse just to be able to do 20s

[strong forum]

Vdh goes vers only around +27

[sharp night]

brew goes vers because they have no haste and low hp

[warm plinth]

Yeah no amount of haste (that is realistically achievable) is going to be better than just adding another TD rank

[sharp night]

not because they need it

[strong forum]

Bear goes vers around 26

So... Yeah

...

[split wyvern]

Nom was talking about this at 12:44 pm if you scroll up I’m not able to pin it

[limpid pawn]

the pug healer perception is like expecting verse at 22+ keys

[split wyvern]

It’s really helpful because I’ve see that question asked for almost all tanks in multiple threads, Reddit or discord’s

[strong forum]

I had a pally complain to me on my vdh in a 20

Then I soloed everything

And he just shut up

[split wyvern]

I really like VDH I hope they add some tools in SL for them.

[strong forum]

Vdh is looking kinda gimped

[limpid pawn]

how bout prot war

still gimped too?

[strong forum]

From what I've heard

Yes

But we'll see

[split wyvern]

I hope Blizz doesn’t say we’ll these legos will fill in the holes for gimped specs instead of improving the class, time will tell I suppose.

[strong forum]

That's already happening

Legendaries filling design flaws

[tropic kite]

Cool. I did find the post from earlier as well. Thanks Everyone!

[upper violet]

[limpid pawn]

the reason i am complaining/doubting the guilds prog here is because most people i've seen take about 200-350 pulls to kill nzoth. 500+ for "below avg" guilds

I am seeing an estimate even worse than those 500+ pull guilds at this point lol. I know for a fact that i'm being held back by a handful of people in the guild who cant avoid red swirlies (in the logs I've been hit by less than 5 TOTAL in all of the pulls that we've done combined). Psychus 2 (what I tank) is done consistently well, i'd say like a 95%+ success rate cleanly if not higher

i think im gonna just buy the mount for 2.5-3 mil which is chump change at this point

[mellow patio]

How many pulls in are you?

[limpid pawn]

220

[mellow patio]

And how deep in the fight? Sorry I am late here

[limpid pawn]

those 5 times i got hit was b/c I was tab targetting to switch hulu videos as well btw

[civic rover]

would you be willing to send logs (sorry if you already did i just saw this)

might be able to figure out something 2-4 people might be messing up consistently

[limpid pawn]

nah not sending shit, ill be anonymous as possible, but there are people getting hit with like 20+ red swirlies per night still. dying to evoke 1 like 90% of the time or higher

which is understandable maybe if we were like sub 100 pulls in

but 220 pulls in?

cmon son

[mellow patio]

To be fair evoke 1 and 2 are relatively challenging parts of the fight to get through. If you can consistently get past that point any pull can be a kill tbh

[hallow phoenix]

We had a player getting hit by red swirls constantly

Turns out he couldn't see them and one graphics setting changed his performance from night to day

[mellow patio]

People getting hit by red swirlies is also in my experience a product of poor timings than player misplay most of the time

[limpid pawn]

poor timing of their reaction time. it takes them 2+ seconds to even realize there is a red swirly

[civic rover]

might be good to just talk with ur RL and speak your concerns

[mellow patio]

Yeah but mechanics happening when they’re not expected isnt a good thing

Like you and I might be able to react and avoid sure

But not everyone is wired that way

[coral marsh]

should i skill vision hunter or expansive mind first?

[distant crystal]

hunter

[limpid pawn]

i voiced my concern many times with logs showing average survival time after 2 deaths ,as well as # of times people got hit with the red swirlies as well as deaths to anguish

[coral marsh]

expansive mind seems trash for solo right?

[distant crystal]

expansive mind is the group trait right

[limpid pawn]

he's to spineless to do what is needed - i.e. sit them IMMEDIATELY and replace them

[distant crystal]

ye it's not nothing but it's p bad unless you're grouping

[limpid pawn]

thus im going to buy the mount

[coral marsh]

its the extra sanity

[distant crystal]

i think it's 75 extra sanity

way worse than vision hunter

[civic rover]

yeah thats unfortunate man

might be worth trialing for some other guilds if you have options

DPS messing up the same mechanic for even more than 50 pulls is pretty unacceptable imo

hardest thing about mythic raiding from a RL PoV is sitting people when needed. it's not worth giving everyone a headache due to certain people messing up mechanics. They can come back when the boss is on farm.

[limpid pawn]

it's insulting and just disgusting to high performing players who are carrying the poor performers if that is the situation

i have one of the most efficient mythic pug EP runs every week

wanna know my secret? I keep LFG open the entire time, and replace bottom 2 DPS EVERY SINGLE FIGHT NO MATTER WHAT

group is strong AF by the end, and also mechanically sound

[civic rover]

i mean, honestly if i was in your position i would look at wowprogress for guilds in your server that are also progging nzoth but don't have so many underperformers and see if they need a tank

just sounds like you're not having fun, so whats the point of raiding with them yknow

i remember you posting your gear once, you're geared to the damn teeth, you'd have no trouble finding a pretty good guild

[mellow patio]

Not to rain on the parade but it is pretty challenging to find a tank spot at this point. It’s not super easy to find a spot as a tank main in general because most serious guilds just swap a dps that’s been there to tank because they know they’re reliable

Definitely not impossible though

[civic rover]

yeah that'd be the only hard part

i'm only in the guild i am now because we formed a month ago and i tanked for the RL all of legion

[mellow patio]

Especially an off-meta class like prot

[civic rover]

laughs in meta slave

thankfully tank meta doesn't matter too much at all this tier with corruption and all that jazz

[visual radish]

Hey guys, apologise, quick question about essences for m+ this week?

[civic rover]

go ahead

don't be sorry for asking, that's what this discord is for

[visual radish]

Sorry that is the question LOL I always get confused on necrotic weeks

Not sorry then* 😛

[limpid pawn]

i actually have a brewmaster and prot warrior both equally geared

[mellow patio]

Our essences don’t change for necrotic

@visual radish

[civic rover]

you can pop conflict in major if your comp lacks slows since it makes kiting easier but a lot of the time in pugs stuff dies fast enough where you won't need to kite a huge amount

[mellow patio]

You will see some folks running CnS major and that does make kiting a bit easier but is not the main reason people run it

[civic rover]

^

very well said

[mellow patio]

So, if you are considering swapping to CnS major JUST to kite more easily, you’re better off with something else

🙂

[visual radish]

Beautiful, thanks guys appreciate it exactly what i was looking for

[mellow patio]

We got u

[civic rover]

this is the week where i'm happy we have a frost mage in my guild lol

[mellow patio]

Frost mage low key fun af to play with lmao

I love to see shit just get deleted by glacial spike

It’s hilarious

[still pagoda]

^

i liked doing so myself

back in S1 and S2

[civic rover]

i like frost more than fire tbh

not a fan of the "do 200k dps every 2 minutes or whatever and then do 50k when combust is down lmao"

[mellow patio]

I like running with fire because I don’t have to think and shit just dies

[coral marsh]

are there any goodies in soo vision like the toy in stormwind?

anything i can grab?

[warm plinth]

Uh, there's a toy in the barber shop

If you head toward Valley of Wisdom from the first miniboss of Spirits (the Surging Fist/Decimator guy), that building to the left

There's a crate inside that drops a shave kit toy

There's another toy as well but it comes from the Valley of Spirits final chest

I've done tons of visions and haven't gotten it yet

[coral marsh]

what is the purpose of zarhaal?

[warm plinth]

Zarhaal?

[coral marsh]

an ethereal

standing next to a building

[warm plinth]

Oh

There are odd crystals throughout the vision

If you click on them, then he will spawn a chest that gives you extra mementos (more mementos for more crystals)

There are a total of 10 crystals in each run, and they have fixed spawn locations, but they rotate between those locations. Every zone has 2 crystals.

If you have the horrific visions plugin for HandyNotes, it'll show them on the map

[coral marsh]

is there an achievement for fullclearing while not using any orbs?

[warm plinth]

No

[coral marsh]

for how much itemlevel are 5 mask fullclear tuned?

i roflstomp with 1 mask and 470

[warm plinth]

I was 5 masking at like...460? or something

On all 3 of the toons that I 5 mask on

[coral marsh]

ok so its not as hard as mage tower

well at least not as annoying when i got all mage tower skins from all classes

[warm plinth]

Well

It's account-wide too

No real reason to do it on multiple toons

[coral marsh]

ty

is prot or dps war better for clearing?

[warm plinth]

I've never done it on dps war

Always prot

[tender phoenix]

is having 2 "Ineffable Truth (Rank 1)" good to have to lower the Cd of Avatar? (mainly for M+)

[warm plinth]

Yes

It's not just for Avatar though

It works on all of your CDs, and increases the cooldown reduction from Anger Management during procs.

[tender phoenix]

ah ok thanks

[limpid pawn]

having 2 IT rank 1 lets you use thunderclap every GCD during avatar

when it procs

[junior ivy]

hi

[limpid pawn]

how much are the top wars DR from verse?

[hallow phoenix]

Around 40-50% mid-fight

[sick sentinel]

so,

if i can get the mythic wrathion weapon, i'll never need another weapon again?

way i understand it is that the effect is huge

[hallow phoenix]

effect is smol

it's good if you have nothing else, but the corruption is nothing special

[sick sentinel]

i don't have alot in way of corruption

[hallow phoenix]

will do like 5% of your overall

[sick sentinel]

high td at vendor on the 24th

[limpid pawn]

oh man, gallywix/starlight are upset at me, their advertisers

[hallow phoenix]

whatd you do

[limpid pawn]

stole all their business for carries on my server

and crashed prices hard

[hallow phoenix]

y u do that

[limpid pawn]

don't wanna reveal all my chars but here are a few

this is why

[tame garden]

lmao

[limpid pawn]

DUNKED ON THE COMMUNITIES

[tame garden]

can you lend me 5m for longboi

[hallow phoenix]

[limpid pawn]

no, but if you do what I do which is carry tons of noobs through +15's and 5 masks

you too will have a longboi

[tame garden]

[grand drum]

Maybe youre the reason why they had like 3 announcements in the last 24 hours? Lol

[warm plinth]

Who

[limpid pawn]

what did they say lol

[grand drum]

They had new rules about signing up for m+ boosts, and the new channel meant to sign up for boosts got deleted

[limpid pawn]

oh

they aren't making many sales on my server IMO

[warm plinth]

Yeah that has nothing to do with brollikk or Tich

Was just a thing they tried that no one liked

[grand drum]

Oh ok

[limpid pawn]

yep, they are just charging too much lol

[warm plinth]

We do fine on Tich though, so 🤷

[limpid pawn]

the advertiser's job is so easy that anyone can do it and just steal customers

[still pagoda]

if i can get the mythic wrathion weapon, i'll never need another weapon again?
@sick sentinel mythic carapace weapon... Though it is only if you're willing to raid mythic now

@limpid pawn @warm plinth their prices are a little lower than average on Kazzak

Maybe just EU things

[warm plinth]

Prices are different on EU vs NA. There's always going to be individuals or guilds that undercut the communities. Doesn't hurt our business in the slightest.

[still pagoda]

I'm talking gally

They're indeed doing it a bit lower than anyone else here on Kazzak

[warm plinth]

Oh, yeah idk. EU Gally and NA Gally are managed largely independent of each other

[still pagoda]

I know right

[limpid pawn]

i would not say that business is not affected

i've tested spamming for long periods of time using different price points

even @ 100k per run, sometimes things are dry and i go lower

if gallywix is charging like 70% more, i am pretty certain they are not getting as many

[warm plinth]

I mean, any advertiser, regardless of who you're with can have dry spells. It's not always about the price.

[eager swift]

stole all their business for carries on my server
@limpid pawn like a real warrior.. never afraid of anything! 😛

[limpid pawn]

sometimes it's about trust and reputation yes

[warm plinth]

Or just availability

[limpid pawn]

but I also have that at this point, I have people buying like 4-5 runs per week for entire tiers

paying like 1 mil gold+ at a time for discounts etc

gallywix has a great business for sure, but all I am saying is that for an individual, there is far more gold in it doing it my way 🙂

[warm plinth]

Yeah, there are other communities out there, individual groups, guilds, etc. It's fine. But even if you're talking about individual groups, most of them don't have the reputation that you do

So their business is not as consistent

I've joined groups who were selling before and sat around for 4 hours and do like one run

[limpid pawn]

yep

i've joined 5 different communites to see how they run their operations as well

you have to babysit their keys channel nonstop and snipe the jobs

very hard

[still pagoda]

^

I go in there from time to time

[limpid pawn]

payouts don't happen unless you pass over 100k made as well

[still pagoda]

To maybe snipe one key

[coral marsh]

ritual bandages

from kr

bad?

[warm plinth]

Bad

[still pagoda]

[coral marsh]

ye 270k absord is like nothing

[still pagoda]

payouts don't happen unless you pass over 100k made as well
@limpid pawn

There're a lot of problems with them. Tbh, the best way to use their platform on EU is to get on as a group with a friend who can advertise for you or another such in advertisers.

This will let you stay away from sitting in key channels for any reason there may be

[warm plinth]

Idk, it's pretty easy to make 100k. Even this late in a season

[civic rover]

my guild just does our own carries

[limpid pawn]

making that right now

[civic rover]

half of it goes into gbank so we all get semi free consumables, other half goes to the people carrying. It's not a huge amount but since we formed a month ago i've made over 200k which for me is more than enough, and i'm still rich from legion.

selling carries for gold through a community or your guild is very efficient for making gold

i'm also not really a fan of gallywix and starlight since there's a very good chance that the owners sell their cut for real money but that's a whole other topic

[coral marsh]

is it random how much corruption an item has i just got one with 66 on one item rank III?

[warm plinth]

No, it's just Twisted Appendage

TA3 always has 66

[coral marsh]

should i cleanse or hold?

[civic rover]

probably cleanse

[coral marsh]

i have one rank II euqipped and it does 8 % of my damage

[civic rover]

i mean it's not bad on singletarget

[coral marsh]

seems kinda good

[steel frost]

whats a good essence setup for mythic vex?

[limpid pawn]

for progression, i'd go azshara's u ndying gift major

nullification barrier minor

[exotic spoke]

@ionic fern Please control your cat. He is out of control and causing problems

Thanks qtpie

[limpid pawn]

check out my new ad and the timing

[steel frost]

yeah thats what im running. Cool, thanks my dudes

[limpid pawn]

and if you really really can't stop dying in that fight b/c of decaying strike, then really become 10x more vocal on discord w/ your healers, but also maybe run the major essence that lets you cheat death once lol

but ideally your kills should never require that

[mellow patio]

You don’t need AUG major for vex

[steel frost]

Nah, I can handle the fight really well. Nzoth's trinket helps quite a bit. I wasnt really sure if null barrier was a good choice for minor instead of aegis of the deep

[mellow patio]

In raid null barrier is nice

I would never run aegis in raid

[steel frost]

I did for adds mostly but then changed it to null barrier

What would u take as major essence.

[mellow patio]

If you’re on adds then you could prob get away with VoP

But I run cof usually

[wooden radish]

@ionic fern hello friend

[steel frost]

CnS?

[analog zinc]

soo who here done m n'zoth? What evokes are you spell reflecting? We've yet to get past the 4th cast but I'm thinking SRing #2 & #3 seems like a good idea

[steel frost]

kk, Ill try cof

I did run VoP but Im on boss most of the time so

[main vault]

Carry God?

[mellow patio]

@analog zinc run 2x IT1 and SR all of them

[limpid pawn]

yes dude, carry god. I want people to talk about it and possibly message me because it stands out and is funny

[main vault]

Stands out for sure

[limpid pawn]

i don't take myself that seriously if you're wondering lol. Some people find it infuritating/cringe

BUT - this expansion alone, I've bought - a feldrake x2, magic rooster x2, big blizzard bear x2, longboi x2, FULL tier 3 x2, every store mount that has been released x2, and soon mythic nzoth mount x2. (and i have over 100 mil gold + left over)

so it must be working

[dusk axle]

is there a rotation for corruption mother sells?

[warm plinth]

http://corruptionvendor.com

[dusk axle]

nice ty

IT or save for TD?

[mellow patio]

Snag IT while it’s up

[warm plinth]

Do you have any TD now?

[mellow patio]

2 of em

[dusk axle]

i have a 400 belt with TD and IT on a 465 piece

had the belt forever lmao

[mellow patio]

Ah then pick up a second It and then save for TD

[dusk axle]

sweet. thank you. are there specific slots you should put them on?

[coarse radish]

God I miss the WoD mount duping thing

Got a rooster cheappppppp

[warm plinth]

The pieces you're least likely to replace

[dusk axle]

ok cool. wasnt sure if it affected % or anything

is spamming mythics+ for echoes effective

not even remotely geared enough to compete in pvp

get smacked by gushing and stuff 😦

coming back has been a lot to take in haha

[coarse radish]

even if you're not winning a ton you get a lot from just an hour of arena

But if you've got a group together to spam keys you can wrack up

[main vault]

You do have to win fairly regularly to beat the amount you get from doing 15s

[dusk axle]

i cant do 15s yet so looks like it arenas xD

[coarse radish]

Just kill the opposing players until they are dead

[dusk axle]

i always run into players stacked with corruption

rogue with gushing is my bane

PvP really hasnt been fun for me because of it haha

[civic rover]

idk why the enable corruptions in arena

[dusk axle]

Don't like the idea of rng dmg in PvP

[civic rover]

super bad design imo

[main vault]

What level are you doing?

[dusk axle]

im tanking like 7-8 rn haha

448 ilvl

[main vault]

Oh losing arena prolly still better but idk

You only get like 10-11 arenas an hour

So winrate will matter

[dusk axle]

doesnt help my gear is toward prot

stat wise

they should disable corruption in arenas and just have PvP earned by conquest

like they used to disable the pve sets

back in draenor

[analog zinc]

through block .-.

[dusk axle]

F

[mellow patio]

Yes they will whack you

[dusk axle]

whacked

[mellow patio]

But you should not be taking 3 in that short of time

So your dps are goofin or your other tank is goofin

[dusk axle]

is haste #1 stat priority rn?

[analog zinc]

we had a bunch of ppl dead

[dusk axle]

besides vers at 20+

[analog zinc]

I think I was tanking both

[mellow patio]

You were tanking 3 there lmao

Oh

Maybe 4

Looks like 4

[analog zinc]

I'm 90% sure it was 3

cuz I had 1 & took 2? but maybe I took 4?

the 3rd set of adds spawned

idk if they got a mindwrack off alongside the 2nd set

[mellow patio]

That’s 4 melees in 0.4 seconds

So that’s 4 adds by my 4head math

[sand relic]

how many IT do we want for prot ?

just 1 rank 1 right

[left hatch]

2 x IT1

@dusk axle even at a +20 range the statline is still ilvl>Haste>Crit>=Versa

it doesn't transition into Haste>=Versa till like 24ish

[sick sentinel]

Expedient for prot a yay or a nay with that being said?

IT TD obviously fill in with expedient or just utilize more TD?

[warm plinth]

If you can fit more TD, use more TD

[left hatch]

depends on key level, if you want a defensive oriented build pre 21/22 then yes expedient with 2IT1's

but yeh like Ghash said TD will be a choice that helps you time keys better

[sick sentinel]

Just feel like expedient would give that perfect blend of offense and defense yeah?

[left hatch]

if you can fit more

uhhhh not really

[sick sentinel]

At least for lower keys

Oh?

[left hatch]

like compared to the opportunity cost of TD

nothing is a 'blend' of offensive and defensive

[sick sentinel]

I suppose TD kills the mobs quicker = “defense” is where you’re going

[left hatch]

no im saying that TD has such an edge on any other corruption

[warm plinth]

TD is just a massive amount of damage compared to any other corruption. Yes, expedient would grant you defensive gain but not one that would outweigh the damage you gain from TD.

[left hatch]

that the 'offensive' value of X becomes irrelevent

you take expedient if you want more defensive value

the offensive value is moot because of hte difference between it and your other choice

yahkno

[sick sentinel]

Gotcha gotcha

Thanks all for the input, always appreciate you guys @left hatch @warm plinth

[sand relic]

so we want 2 rank 1 IT

or 1 ?

when i look people up i seem them only using 1

also for m+ do we use bomming voice or devastator ?

[left hatch]

2

[civic rover]

top level players use one because they need a ton of vers amps

[left hatch]

no

[civic rover]

really? thought that was why

[left hatch]

in every WF key iv seen still they still are using 2

the last day or 2 noawh has been using it to toss in a TD2

[civic rover]

huh, last i saw nerftank and naowh had one

[left hatch]

and been spamming lower keys

yes

[civic rover]

hmm

[left hatch]

because they were doing like 22's

[civic rover]

oh

im big dumb sorry

[left hatch]

they also were going up to 79 corruption lol

nah its ok, its just why you can't rely 1:1 on just looking people up on raider io

to see what they're using

it doesn't always correctly record what they're using

[civic rover]

yeah he has 2 on right now

jesus nerftank is almost 6.6k io

im still a 2990 scrub

[left hatch]

check the vods of their highest keys to see what they are using in "real" keys

cause generally any other build is experimentation or memeing

in content thats trivial to them

oh sorry Day missed the 2nd part of your question

Booming Voice basically all the time

Deva has a (slight) edge in ST dps

but anytime theres even a small amount of cleave, and defensively BV is much much better

[graceful jolt]

Hi guys, with how close Heart of Darkness is compared to Iron Fortress for Mythic plus, which do you prefer?

I guess, which is more beneficial in the long run in your opinion, the slight increase in stats, or the mediocre size chunk of damage you get overall from Iron Fortress with block?

[warm plinth]

Iron Fortress if your shield isn't 470/475, HoD otherwise

[graceful jolt]

I didn't even know your shield made a big impact! What am I missing?

[elfin siren]

Hi, which of these?

[warm plinth]

Your shield makes the biggest impact of any other piece of gear you have

It's the only source of block on gear

[left hatch]

The ilvl jimoin

Piercing gaze might come out slightly ahead for aoe dps but youd have to sim for that

but ST/cleave and defensively ilvl will win out

[warm plinth]

Yeah, I would second that

[muted spoke]

what's the best shield u can get if u don't raid? from m+?

[elfin siren]

Thx a lot

[left hatch]

ML shield

AD is a nice substitute

but you gotta pray for it to drop from cache

[warm plinth]

Or you can buy the raid BoE

[left hatch]

yeh raid BoE is the alternative to praying to RNGesus

[warm plinth]

Depending on your realm it'll be somewhere between 350-600k

[muted spoke]

kk tys

[pine lotus]

Is illidan cheaper or more expensive for boes on average

[distant crystal]

shield is a kinda weird one

it's p hard to get a 475 shield

[warm plinth]

You can look at http://wowpay2win.com @pine lotus

It's not an RMT site like it appears, btw

It just gives you an easy way to find raid BoEs on other realms

[stark spear]

do you need 2 ineffable 1 corruption?

[warm plinth]

You don't need it, no. But it's very nice to have.

[stark spear]

im debating 1 ineffable 1 vs a vers 3

i have one already

[little hawk]

What corruptions should I go for as Prot?

[stark spear]

vers

[warm plinth]

What level keys are you doing @little hawk

[little hawk]

Mostly 15

But ranging from 13-15 every day

[warm plinth]

Then you want TD

Vers isn't even on your radar yet

[left hatch]

your 2nd IT1 is better than a versa 3 sadbot

and yah raski, versa isn't gonna be phenomenal for you at that range

TD would be optimal, but even if you don't care about it or don't want to run that for w/e reason 2 IT1's and an expedient are a better defensive option

than even considering a vers amp

[little hawk]

So 2x IT1 and rest Expedient?

[warm plinth]

No

TD

Expedient stacking is not, and has never been, and really will never be a thing

[little hawk]

So 2x IT1 and TD

[warm plinth]

Yep

[limpid pawn]

finally

[dark lark]

Looted a 485 crit haste glove with vers3 baked in today, but I already have 475 haste vers leech with vers3 already. Pushing +23 keys, raid in arms. what should I do?

[warm plinth]

Nice brollikk

[dark lark]

Thinking I put expedient3 on the m Carapace gloves, and keep using the gloves I already have for tanking

Another possibility is putting on an ineffable1 on it so I can use it for both specs

[sweet summit]

If you are still progressing use them mainly for arms. If all bosses are on farm then do whatever

Putting expedient on them is not a bad call. Bis for arms and good for prot. As long as it doesnt fuck with the rest of your corruptions/budget

[dark lark]

Sadly I think we're calling it quits on nzoth

[sweet summit]

[left hatch]

hmmm tough choice

usually the ilvl would beat out the leech alone

but you're getting near the point where every piece is gonna need versa to make the amps worthwhile

ig keep em , cleanse em and throw on TD for farm keys?

and use the 475's for pushing

[hallow phoenix]

I put (well, looted and didnt cleanse) TD3 on my 485 gloves

465 vers gloves have my vers3 on them and thats what i use for pushing

[left hatch]

yeh thats exactly my mindset for drshoo's options

[dark lark]

I already have a 475 glove with td3

Hmm

[hallow phoenix]

arms then

[dark lark]

Yeah maybe

Fortunately I have enough echoes to bank extra expedients, ineffables and vers this week

So I'll take my time for now

[left hatch]

eh for prot stacking expedient isn't that great

like 1 is great for defensives in lower keys if you feel like you need it

but stacking it kinda overkill

good for offspecs tho

[hushed creek]

I went for TD ,doing only +16 so its fine to smack mobs for 30% of my hp. I guess higher you need to hold on bit better :).

[left hatch]

nah TD is bis till you break into the 20 range (:

if you feel like you need a bit more defensives before that 1 expedient and 2 IT1's can be helpful

(esp the 2 IT1's and they have some really nice damage potential esp on things like Rixxa/Lord Waycrest/ Adderis)

but yeh until then TD go brrrrr

make key go by faster

[hushed creek]

too bad we will lose option to do some serious dmg in shadowlands,not mentioning about losing synergy :(. I feel like prot warrior going to be crap for 6months of new xpac like it was in BFA. They nerf us every time and we're always comming back 🙂

[left hatch]

they're fine

the current meta build of smacking TC is dead

and our aoe dps outside of burst is hurting

but were still solid defensively

and were gonna be close to (if not the best) tank for ST dps

(if things stick with how they are that is)

and not having the current must have meta picks opens up some nice options we havn't used in awhile

DR-Ravager in M+

[civic rover]

i think warrior in SL will be more fun

[left hatch]

Punish-Heavy Reprecussions in raid

[civic rover]

but won't be as absurdly strong in M+

i'm really excited to play all the tanks tbh

[left hatch]

yeh

having a completely diff playstyle isn't a bad thing

[civic rover]

except bear. bear looks the same

[hushed creek]

they always do 😄

I will miss bolster

[left hatch]

lol still nice to have a 'i cba to put in effort for drunk keys'

[hushed creek]

and free haste

[left hatch]

Bolster might still see use

its actually getting a buff

[civic rover]

i think warrior and DK are gonna be the most fun tanks in SL but i haven't gotten beta yet, so can't tell for sure

[left hatch]

(am nerf indirectly nerfs it but just looking at bolster its getting a really really nice standalone buff to it)

eh fun is mega subjective

[steep bone]

I wonder if dk gonna be as OP as it was until bonestorm nerf

[left hatch]

like i can't stand legion bdk

well... rn its crazy

[civic rover]

i never got the hang of blood

[left hatch]

defnsive beasts and the swarming mist cov + bonestorm + triple plauge lego

[steep bone]

Arent dks always gods early on?

[civic rover]

i dont like the resource

[left hatch]

they fucking MELT dungeons

eh legion they were poop tier till NH

[civic rover]

and it feels like there's lots of time where i feel like i can't press anything

[left hatch]

like you literally couldn't be a main tank on Mythic cenarious as it

[hushed creek]

you guys gonna go for bastion skill ?

[left hatch]

and i can't really think of another example in recent wow history where a tank physcially can't do a fight regardless of how much gear you get

maybe

[civic rover]

remember warrior in EN

[left hatch]

i might go a diff tank for M+

and use prot for raids

[hushed creek]

I guess they didint add anything for selfheal ?

[left hatch]

in which case venthyr seems the nice choice

[hushed creek]

so grievious will remain the same

[civic rover]

im just gonna play whatevers fotm for raids and then for M+ just play what i want

[left hatch]

greivous is changing slightly

instead of % health damage its now a flat amount that scales with key level

[hushed creek]

oh ,really? I missed that

nice,but armor still doesnt help

?

[left hatch]

ah im the opposite, i enjoy M+ a lot more so ill FOTM that shit up

and raid is a meme

yah its a bleed

so it bypasses armor

for all intents and purposes its magic damage

[hushed creek]

time to reroll dorf

[sweet summit]

Thats a bad change imo

[left hatch]

ehhh maybe for pushing very high keys

but for the general public

and farming smol keys

its great

esp since bursting got the same change

now you can mass pull again on bursting weeks

[sweet summit]

It still stacks to 4?

[left hatch]

😄

[civic rover]

for the first time this xpac i actually have a serious chance of getting CE and i really like the guild i'm in so i'm gonna fotm for raids for SL. in M+ i just play all the tanks

[left hatch]

not sure how the stacking works anymore, just saw a blue post about it being changed a % health to a flat amount that scales with key

[hushed creek]

I feel on bursting week people's iq drop down 😄

[civic rover]

this week is the no pug week for me

[left hatch]

eh imho unless you're in world 100 fotm tank matters basically nothing

at this point everyone is so overgeared that the 'weaknesses' in an offmeta tank like prot factors in 0

[civic rover]

yeah. but i like the feeling of playing the fotm spec. idk. just feels good.

[sharp night]

they're changing griev too?

thought it was just volc/burst

[civic rover]

but yeah once people start overgearing the raid it doesn't matter what you play as long as you're good at it

[left hatch]

didn't see volc saw griev and burst

[hushed creek]

this week might be last for me in wow for some time, missing junkyard for my +15 achiv and after that I can take a break,got this key so need to plan ahed to be done with it

[left hatch]

haha i don't blame you

[sharp night]

https://www.wowhead.com/news=316791/volcanic-and-bursting-mythic-affixes-changed-in-shadowlands-alpha

no mention of griev

[civic rover]

this week might be my last too

[sharp night]

unless it was changed in another build

[left hatch]

hmmm fuck musta misread it then

[civic rover]

tomorrow is last raid of the week and we got nzoth to 15% in a total of 78 pulls

[left hatch]

ill try to look for it but mb if i did

[hushed creek]

@civic rover good luck 🙂

[dark lark]

@left hatch to clarify the expedient banking, it's for arms :)

[left hatch]

gotcha

[kind spindle]

445 scale over 460 w/ socket barnacle?

[hallow phoenix]

for general use yes

for raid dps i'd sim

[kind spindle]

I just do M+ 15-17 range right now

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yeh use yur scale

[civic rover]

Get a 460 scale

If you can

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barnacle is pretty shite outside ST

[kind spindle]

my work schedule doesnt let me raid really so i have to rely on weeklies 😦

[left hatch]

find a pug

for heroic or mythic

esp mythic if you can get through skittra

[graceful jolt]

anyone happen to know the name of the BoE shield so I can check the AH

much appreciated

[left hatch]

BiS shoulders for a fairly free boss

Maddened Bulwark

Maddening Bulwark?

something like that

starts in mad ends in bulwark (:

[graceful jolt]

ty!

[hallow phoenix]

Madden Bulwark

[left hatch]

Madden Bulwark 2020

[hallow phoenix]

[sand relic]

ok also do u guys use booming voice or devistator for keys

[hallow phoenix]

BV always

[sand relic]

i see people using dev now

in higher keys

[hallow phoenix]

logs?

sometimes i forget to swap after raid

[sand relic]

also how do u sim prot for m+ so i can see what to use

[left hatch]

prot simming is only for dps

and it works the same as simming for every other class/spec

[hallow phoenix]

I wouldnt bother simming for m+

[sand relic]

how would i sim then

if all im plan on doing is keys

I wanna find out what gear of mine is best

[left hatch]

you can't do that with simming on a tank

[steep bone]

Sim is for simming dps it doesnt take in count survivanility

[hallow phoenix]

moar stats 🙂

[left hatch]

theres basically no possible way to account for all the variables that impact damage taken

to give you a numerically right answer

for keys the statline is ilvl>Haste>crit>=versa

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so can some 1 help me if i link u my gear

[left hatch]

sure

[sand relic]

cause this is my alt i wanna get him geared so i can focus on him

[left hatch]

also where di you see people running Deva 🤔

in keys

[steep bone]

Ive seen some running it but on nzoth

[left hatch]

yeh well in raid its a ST boost

[steep bone]

Maybe he checked rio,

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but theres no scenario in M+ itd be better

[steep bone]

And it showed him they have that selected

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even on like tyranical WS theres still aoe in there

[steep bone]

Also Checking rio runs also gonna show current talents

[sand relic]

ya i checkedc io

[left hatch]

yah don't use IO to see what ppl are running

it frequenty doens't record shit right

[sand relic]

if i link u my simc can u see all my gear

[steep bone]

My rio showed that im fury many times just because i logged in fury spec

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like your simc string?

yeh i can pop that in raidbots to just see whatchu got in bags

[sand relic]

this is my simc

https://pastebin.com/FeQfr49Y

i also purchased 2 rank 1 IT just now

from vendor

i hope that wasnt a bad idea

[steep bone]

It was good idea

[sand relic]

i got 10k echoes left

[steep bone]

2x it r1 is bis

[left hatch]

^

bis at ALL levels of content

[sand relic]

i got 10k left but i dont have the best of gear yet

Im only like 465

[steep bone]

Id buy one or two more just incase i would get huge upgrades

[sand relic]

and i dont raid much or do visons alot so im behind on cloak right now

[left hatch]

and yesss some of the big bois like noawh have dropped down to 1 the last day or 2. but they've also been running meme keys (to them) of 21's and 22's and are dropping it so they can stack huge amounts of TD

and are going to 79 corruption

[steep bone]

Get cloak max id say

[left hatch]

so get the context behind what they're doing before copying (:

cause going to 79 corruption is a very. very bad idea for basically every player haha

[sand relic]

i kno i gotta get cloak maxed i been lazy i play way 2 many alts so its hard to keep up with all of them

[steep bone]

You could also get one td3 or td2 and spend everything else on cloak until You get to max resi

[sand relic]

this is my gear right now https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mEdVtRMH2gApKfopi5fC54

[steep bone]

It2 and td is giga bis for lowish keys

Careful with fang, its meme dps but also youre vurneable while using

[left hatch]

off the bat id swap off CC on your chest

to earthlink

earthlink not super strong but the 'tank' middle ring traits are basically worthless for us

[steep bone]

You need better head

Lifespeed is cool

Haste

[sand relic]

well my helm is 480 so ilvl matters u said right ?

i have 10k residum what should i go for first from vendor ?

[left hatch]

ye

[steep bone]

Yes but traits are trash

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do you raid mythic?

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i dont raid on this toon at all

[steep bone]

I mean shield one is nice for dps but rezan meh

[left hatch]

oof ok um

def a chest

[sand relic]

my main is 10/11 mythic on my rogue

[left hatch]

then roll random shoulders

[steep bone]

Can You pug mythic first three? Skitra shoulders are easily obtainable and are bis

[sand relic]

chest or shoulders lol

[left hatch]

then save up for Abyssal Malevolence helm, Krakenshell or Tankbuster pauldrons and either Mechanized Chassis or Ashvane Warden chest

chest first

its your lowest ilvl

rando chest- rando shoulders - specific save

in that order

[sand relic]

so go for rando, chest n try to get heroic shoulders from skitra ?

[left hatch]

yeh