im stupid at math plus coding so cant do that lol
#protection
warm plinth
Even a plain text/minimal formatting guide would be better than we have now
exotic spoke
Sup prot qtpies
warm plinth
You could always do like a google doc guide like that hunter in Legion did
civic rover
peak of serenity is such a great monk resource too.
warm plinth
Would be simple to format
novel ruin
Yeah, got a Word doc
lofty widget
hey all, bit of a weird question, if i intervene a player right before theyre hit by a stun, would the stun go on me instead?
novel ruin
UHH i think its just the damage portion of the stun
warm plinth
Debuffs would go on you but I don't think a stun counts
novel ruin
but idk 100%
still pagoda
You'll wear your vers and like it
@warm plinth
I actually like how 2xVers3 plays out... In keys where i actually need it
calm magnet
So is it good to use cns major this week?
still pagoda
lofty widget
so the intervened player would still get stunned?
warm plinth
Yeah, pretty sure they would still get stunned
warm plinth
You would take the damage from it but they'd get stunned
civic rover
@calm magnet depends on comp. Most of the time yeah but if you have a frost mage or a sin rogue or something like that no
lofty widget
alright yeah i will have to test it tomorrow, thanks for clarifying!
coral marsh
btw what do you think on prot on beta do you think they fix it or leave it broken like in bfa for months at the start?
lethal plaza
Can someone describe the benefits of 2 IT? What exactly is it's main purpose and why 2
calm magnet
Ohh ok, My friends dont usually play those classes anyway so cns it is then. Thanks man
novel ruin
@coral marsh Shadowlands Discussion / Shadowlands Prot
civic rover
2 IT is 60% cooldown reduction for 24 corruption, whereas a rank 2 is 30 corruption for 50%. it's extremely efficient and since you have plenty of room for corruption there's no reason not to run it
lethal plaza
Alright, but what does it do for us as a prot warr? like the main benefits of 2. Is it for spamming TC during avatar?
civic rover
yes, and reduced CD of spell reflect
warm plinth
You have every CD reduced, not just TC
still pagoda
Can someone describe the benefits of 2 IT? What exactly is it's main purpose and why 2
@lethal plaza
The way it interacts with Anger Management, nearly doubling amount of rage going into it
warm plinth
interrupt, all your CDs, etc. And it interacts with AM to increase CDR there too
civic rover
especially on bosses like 3rd in ML, having spell reflect up almost every chemical burn is HUGE
left hatch
specifically having 2 just hits a sweet spot with things like avatar and SB as well
lethal plaza
I've only tested it a little bit, but if i have last stand on cd, and it procs, after it's over the cooldown time goes back up? am I seeing it wrong
left hatch
it gets SB's cd lower than 6s and lets you chain 2 Ava's back to back w/o lucid
civic rover
it's just very corruption-efficient
left hatch
the way the CD timer works is that.. 30 seconds for instance is calculating the reduced cd time
so yes time will jump back up when the proc fades
lethal plaza
ooh ok gotchya, thanks everyone
novel ruin
Is there a way to access Mythic Dungeon Tools outside of the game?
left hatch
i wish
i havn't been able to find a decent alternative to open in browser
so i can have a route up on a 2nd monitor ):
left hatch
yah thats been my solution.. a screenshot and put it up on paint
novel ruin
oh, for the guide im writing. During a run, i'll just open the tool itself if need be.
left hatch
raider.io found a way to embed a limited version of it
could reach out to someone from there to ask how they did it?
novel ruin
yeah, will do, thanks
tranquil edge
especially on bosses like 3rd in ML, having spell reflect up almost every chemical burn is HUGE
@civic rover this, big time.
Ineff2 is ok if u have 2x1s already tho imo, if u want to use that last corruption slot for something else like vers or dev
woven trellis
not related to prot sorry, but, can you seal of fate on a boss u already killed
main vault
Yeah
warm plinth
Yep
still pagoda
@civic rover this, big time.
Ineff2 is ok if u have 2x1s already tho imo, if u want to use that last corruption slot for something else like vers or dev
@tranquil edge
I would personally not bother with going overkill on IT
like
60% is enough
left hatch
yeh 2 IT1's is sufficient
still pagoda
you better off filling that space with TD/Vers depending on the content you are doing
left hatch
were not holy pallys and want 10 of em (:
woven trellis
Yeah
@main vault but people wont be able to trade their loot right
left hatch
that's correct
main vault
Yes they can’t trade their loot to you
civic rover
does vita just not drop or something
main vault
Can only trade if you were originally eligible to loot
warm plinth
left hatch
i got 4-5 voids before i saw a vita
and got like 7-8 of each before i got both my slappers on DH
(:
main vault
Meanwhile my druid got socket vita first kill
civic rover
i have like 12 raden heroic kills and 4 mythic and have yet to get one while rerolling every time
coarse radish
I have like 30 ra kills across all my characters
civic rover
games rigged
coarse radish
and I've gotten one vita and one caress
and like idk 6 or 7 voids
I have TWO ungents from m boxes compared to the single one off of him
still pagoda
woven trellis
is 1st mythic boss still as weak as 1st mythic boss used to be?
grand drum
??? its the same boss
warm plinth
I think he means relative to prior first bosses
main vault
Yes he is as easy as the others
still pagoda
is 1st mythic boss still as weak as 1st mythic boss used to be?
@woven trellis
First 6 are easy this tier
left hatch
ah, i mean... this is the first tier in awhile id say 1st Mythic boss is at least on par with last heroic boss
its not as free as every other boss 1 1this xpac
but its still free
grand drum
1st is harder than the 2nd and 3rd bosses
woven trellis
oki
grim pulsar
guys quick question when tanking a freehold 15+
the last portal to go into u kill boss with the spider right?
woven trellis
y
grim pulsar
okay bro cheers
left hatch
you can, its pretty ez
woven trellis
its very ez because the boss doenst do a lot before u kill the miniboss
grim pulsar
at what stack should i reset necrotic stack xD this week is kinda a harsh
when dps dont give a fuck
and kill all adds in 1 sec
ocean heath
so how do you guys coordinate killing non-elites that burst? Kill 2 then stop dps?
coarse radish
Depends on which pack we're talking and if most of the group has CDs up
left hatch
depends on your healer, i usually don't worry about necrotic till i get to 30+ stacks
and yeh burstin is also a healer thing.... as long as you don't keep refreshing the stacks you can handle 7-8 ez with a competent healer
left hatch
sounds like they're shit
left hatch
no?
grim pulsar
we had 98% in 11min and killed 3 bosses in freehold 15
and he fcking left
what a jerk
he said "ok you guys 4-5 stacks bb"
left hatch
each stack of bursting is 14% health over 4s
ocean heath
oh over 4 sec, I was thinking 14% per second
left hatch
no its like 3.5% per second
coarse radish
Bursting is in total 14% per stack so at 8 stacks it's 112% total health over those four seconds
left hatch
yeh so easily managable as long as you don't keep refreshing its duration
coarse radish
Whcih is important to keep in mind because that means, and again this is based on a pack to pack basis, if you've pulled idk a bunch of shitty non elites
nobody in your party (bar you) is taking any damage
left hatch
its when its at like 6 stacks and ticking for 3 seconds, and you refresh it to 7
that it becomes yikes
coarse radish
and ALL (and I say that as "all") the healer has to do is heal any given player for 12%~ percent of their max health to not die
ocean heath
yea those non elites in shrine are dangerous
coarse radish
Now obviously this assumes literally nobody is taking any damage but a lot of the shitty non elite mobs aren't often doing that
and it also assumes nobody is your party is willing to pop any sort of defensive or a cookie or a pot or anything of that but that's the pug life
left hatch
yeh you have to be a pretty awful healer
to struggle or think 4-5 stacks is a no-go zone
grim pulsar
do you guys prefer 1 or 2 IT Corruption?
left hatch
2 is arguably mandatory if you wanna do any sort of high key content
grim pulsar
i see naowh only has one tho
left hatch
has he dropped to one? last i watched any of the big bois it was still 2
grim pulsar
hes doin 1 It and then 2 td
coarse radish
The biggest scare with bursting in general is just on larger packs with already bothersome aoe abilities where the group is already chunked for damage by the die a large bursting hit goes off but that's also something the group collectively has to be prepared for
left hatch
uhhh all his world first keys hes sitll using 2 IT1
coarse radish
As prot the best I can say is just make sure you have extra pots on hand even if you're not generally using them in that specific key level
left hatch
so check to make sure its not low keys that hes dropping it for TD
ocean heath
is the junkyard path different every run or every week?
left hatch
weekly
coarse radish
changes weekly
left hatch
and diff from NA to EU
grim pulsar
I dont understand how can he have 2 IT and 1 TD and then vers stacked isnt that too much corruption
ocean heath
But you can start on 2 different bosses right?
grim pulsar
im sorry if i ask stupid questions im kkinda new warrior tank :i
left hatch
yeh the thingy is only hovering over 1 of the bosses
but generally people either go for gunker or trogg first depending on where the thingy starts
cause its the most optimal way to get bots
uhhh yeh hes doing really low keys Josef
and hes going to 79 corruption for fun
ocean heath
yea I'm trying to learn the route as tank and it seems like there are a ton of paths to do it and getting the bots
left hatch
gotta pay attention to context of when/why hes using shit
grim pulsar
True morrison i noticed that
coarse radish
The paths themselves aren't complicated but there's a lot of variance to them
left hatch
and if yo'ure new to prot i wouldn't copy 1:1 what hes doing, the keys hes doing are an entirely diff world
coarse radish
There's a lot of count to be found in there and so long as you're making sure to rush bots don't worry too much about being 1:1 if you're on lower key levels
The biggest thing is just bots and begging your dps to pick up a shock
PLEASE JUST PICK IT UP
coarse radish
I don't even care at that point just pick up the shock
ocean heath
grease bot is for healers?
left hatch
grease is haste and for everyone
spark is dmg taken and stamina so, tank first ig
shock is a damage proc
ocean heath
and you can only have one active right
main vault
you should always get all 3
ocean heath
ohhh
left hatch
if you really wanna min max, classes like DH that have giga haste should be prioritized for the Shock bots
and ppl that have TD should grab welder first
ocean heath
i've been a dumbass so far then, in the 3-4 i've done
so ideally you need 15 bots if you don't die
main vault
yes
left hatch
mhm
honestly workshop is really easy
IF you don't die
bots make the timer hella lenient
main vault
*JY
coarse radish
You ever notice going through the trash pipe in WS
makes a lot of the bot WAs freak the heck out
left hatch
don't have a bot wa ):
just grabbed a route that has ~19 bots along it
and hope my frands remember to grab thier buffs
grim pulsar
should using corruption on vers if im doing keys less than 20?
grim pulsar
my one friend says if i focus on doing less than 20 i should get td3 and stack haste :S
left hatch
Versa isn't a stat that really shines till you get into exceptionally high content. point for point its worse than haste (and to a lesser degree crit) for the damage profile in every key. (85 points per .5% dr is really bad scaling)
grim pulsar
then i will have fun apperantly
left hatch
so until you get to like 23/24 range
its TD with 2 IT1's
if you REALLY feel like you need a defensive than 1 expedient is ok
that being said if you're uncomfortable with your own play, the route or your healer/group versa is the best stat for mitigating mistakes. it won't save you from... multiple missed interrupts on water blast for instance, but it might save you if you let SB drop off during a spicy pull
grim pulsar
I see
left hatch
however, im of the mindset that dying from your mistakes is a great learning opportunity. better to learn where yo'ure fucking up now in lower keys , than to have a versa safety blanket save you and prevent you from realizing you're fucking up
grim pulsar
thx for enlighten me
left hatch
cause when you get higher into 20's you'll need BOTH perfect play and the versa buffer to live
so better to get your deaths outta the way now when timers are more lenient (: even if its scuffs a key now and then
grim pulsar
Yea i agree actually
i have one question morrison
if i have td 1 and td2 does it couunt as a td3
left hatch
yeh it stacks the % damage, not the amount of times it procs
grim pulsar
okay nice to know xD
left hatch
offhand the only corruption that actually acts as seperate procs instead of stacking the effect is Lash of the Void
everything else works additively irrc
woven trellis
whats the bis trinket for prote btw
left hatch
what key level
woven trellis
between 15 and 20
left hatch
Vita + Scale
rancid ember
Shell?
left hatch
below 20 range?
kinda overkill
if you think you'll need it to live and will use it roughly on cd its very stronk
but generally that doesn't happen in that range
grim pulsar
yoo boys
i got the freehold mace 15+ ilvl 465 with socket in
is this better than first boss in n'zoth raid heroic weapon
warm plinth
ilevel is all that matters for weapons
chilly brook
@rancid ember I like LPS, if you're going to use it though try to time it with big pulls and group CDs
Otherwise it really is a wasted slot
south holly
yah ive found shell to be great help in keys around 18 or so
especially since my buddy plays rsham ...
left hatch
yeh if you have a use for it its a great trinket
but a lot of ppl take it as an "oh shit" button
or "cause it heals so muchhhh"
which.... not a good reason to take it lol
and its often being wasted or used to pad HPS
which'll hurt your tankiness and result in a higher ehrps than a haste trink
south holly
in what situation would you say its needed then?
haughty forum
One or two ineffable truths r1?
left hatch
2
and if you're making spicy enough pulls roughly on cd that you need it to live
if you're just pulling single packs the haste trinket will give you better damage smoothing overall
keys also situationally make it very very strong. like if you know you'll pull last boss + obelisk
civic rover
460 weapon haste/crit with socket or 470 haste mastery w/o socket?
left hatch
it counts as being "in nyalotha
the 470
but in 22's the big keys i roll with it are ML, AD and KR
(AD tyranical that is)
haughty forum
Right now I'm running one IT & the haste proc trinket from the raid (forget name, at work now) plus the 465 butchers block with a socket. I don't raid because it's hard to find pugs after midnight but am running 18/19 for keys.
left hatch
thats the best you can do without raiding
both raid haste trinkets are superior to Rezan's
haughty forum
two of them? I stepped foot inside the raid twice so never bothered to memorize loot tables.. 🙂
left hatch
Vita off of Raden > Scale from Wrathion > Rezans
so regardless of which one you have its better
haughty forum
Forgot about Wrathion's.
I have both I think, but 460 no socket vs 465 w/socket going to make a difference?
left hatch
eh
if you're comfy id go with w/e sims highest
whichll probably be the Block
but outside of necrotic week i wouldn't use block otherwise
necro week its really stronk
warm plinth
Do you have vita or dragonscale from the raid?
haughty forum
I have both from the raid, I just forgot about wrathions being in the bank.
left hatch
necro week - Vita + Block
every other week defensively Vita + scale
if you're comfortable - sim
haughty forum
Okay, thanks.
warm plinth
Vita will always be used most likely though as it's way over budget
left hatch
yah... literally the only time you'll ever consider dropping vita (even if its only heroic) is if you're doing like 25/26's and swap to Alchemy to run Alch stone + LPS
haughty forum
Okay, I'd gotten some bad advice then from the last guy I talked to because he said Scale was a bad trinket so I'd put in the bank a month or two ago already.
I do miss my wings.
left hatch
nah its very good, huge uptime
and the uptime makes it realistically give more haste than Rezan
mwahi has a spreadsheet where he id the math, but on mobile rn so can't look for it
haughty forum
Rezan I have at 460 no socket, I just picked up the butchers block last night so was relooking at things.
haughty forum
But for sure ITx2 then? I think I have enough for a second or maybe a couple hundred off only. Easy enough to get.
haughty forum
They guy who gave trinket advice also said stack vers and ignore my haste stuff. Is that wrong or just haste trinkets the best yet?
left hatch
that is also wrong
Until you start getting to like 23/24's the statline is Ilvl>Haste>crit=versa
versa doesn't truly shine till you're in higher keys and need it to deal with burst damage and unavoidable magic damage
before that point you don't encounter either to a dangerous level
warm plinth
Even if you're stacking vers, you still want as much haste as possible
left hatch
so point for point haste and to a lesser degree crit reduce more damage in every key than versa (versa is 85 per .5% dr... which is pretty poor scaling)
haughty forum
Okay, sounds good. I can do that.
left hatch
that being said. versa is a very good stat for mitigating mistakes (tho its not goign to save you from multiple missed interrupts or truly fucking up) so if yo'ure uncomfortable with the route, your healer or your own mastery of the class some versa amps can help
its just not optimal if you are comfortable
and imho, its sometimes good to not have that versa buffer in lower keys and learning where/why you fuck up from deaths
better to learn now before you get to the 20's than live through things that SHOULD have killed you so you know yo ufucked up
cause once you hit 20's youll need versa AND perfect play
haughty forum
Unrelated, but for Shrine I usually have skipped the first section heavy on casters because I can't spell reflect or interrupt them fast enough and those water dmg spells really chunk me. Do we just need to adapt and run it more smoothly or is avoiding first part and gathering up % later the way to go?
left hatch
i get a decent amount of % early on in shrine
i pull basically the entire area around the circular stairs
so everything up to first water ele
and then double back to skip to first boss
warm plinth
I pull everything in the first area except the two living currents and the 2 attendants on the other end of the bridge (assuming non-teeming)
Or I should say my tank does, since I'm not normally the one doing it
left hatch
don't waste interrupts on wash away or the anchor thing
and you should have enough CC as long as you don't make massive pulls
bonus points if you have a purge so you don't have to interrupt the templars
warm plinth
Yeah that's how we do it as well
Save kicks for water blast/heal, purge protective aura
haughty forum
So just small pulls and interrupt the right things? Sounds good. High magic damage always smacks me hard on those so I think a 16 has been my highest in SoS
left hatch
the trash there is a lot safer than the minibosses or the end bridge
and more efficient
warm plinth
Small enough pulls
left hatch
cause fuck that bridge. you're almost guerenteed to have some type of damage immunity go off
warm plinth
We don't use the obelisk to skip though. We kill it after clearing the top part and just skip by jumping over like old times
left hatch
and yeh magic damage does smack but its 100% avoidable in those packs
learn snap points, don't hit stun DR
and don't waste interrupts on trivial shit
and it becomes managable
sweet summit
G41 is ez
G42 is death
Iirc
sweet summit
Ye
warm plinth
Yeah the one with like 3 rip mind mobs es no bueno
sweet summit
Yep
haughty forum
The bridge with big water elemental guy who has the channel? I'm not familiar with that "old" skip I guess. We're pretty much a group of friends who've not done higher than a 7 in season 1 and clawed ourselves up to 18's and failing 19s this season. Rarely pug
left hatch
uhhh the storm ele skip before obelisks involved using a rogue or shadowmeld
warm plinth
The old skip is you just jump over the statue on the left side. I'm referring to before the first boss.
left hatch
i just use an obelisk if im not gonna kill him
haughty forum
Ah, gotfcha
warm plinth
Rather than using 1st obelisk to skip to first boss, we just kill 1st ob in place and then jump over
left hatch
but usually i just skip Skarn and come out on the pack before storm ele
haughty forum
Just backtrack & pick up the obelisk by first boss?
warm plinth
We don't even really backtrack; just kill it in place after clearing the top half
But that being said, we don't have a prot war tank
So we can't do guardian ele
I mean we could, but it's not worth it
So 2nd obelisk we take all the way across the bridge
left hatch
yeh, without knowing how to solo him id skip storm ele with an obelisk
and just make up the extra trash around 2nd boss
everything there is really easy and quick
warm plinth
Yeah we clear everything around 2nd boss, then we do the two ritualists and the enforcers on the other side
Then go back for obelisk, take that to third obelisk. Then we double imprison the bigboi tentacle casters so we don't have to do that pack
left hatch
i wish i could do that
the tentacles are no beuno
tho they were possibly the most hilarious reaping mob
warm plinth
What's your comp usually?
left hatch
either ProtW, boomie, hdh, MW, udh or
gaurdian, MW, udh/boomie fury , hdh
sometimes vengeance in place of the gaurdian
warm plinth
Oh
left hatch
yeh its scuffed (:
haughty forum
I'm me with resto druid and frost DK plus whomever else shows up.
left hatch
yeh... anytime i play my DH our other DH goes on his fury warrior
cause hes convinced stacking classes is bad
(i think hes just salty i kicked the shit outta his dps after swapping to hdh like him)
warm plinth
Oh
left hatch
frost DK is an interesting take in 8.3
warm plinth
We play VDH, HDH, HPal, BM Hunter, and Destro lock/rogue
haughty forum
He puts out around 100k most runs. High for our circle of friends.
left hatch
yeh nothing wrong with it
just most dks i talk to are sick as fuck about the breath of syndi build
when UH can do what it does (burst) much much better
without as annoying a playstyle
warm plinth
Fire mage is kinda fun but I cba to get the very specific gear required
left hatch
but if you got a tank thats mass pulling, its also never gonna compete with a fully stacked Festermight UDH
with full haste/mastery amps
):
and UDH burst window's major cd is only DnD
left hatch
ah yeh
but the reduced cd on that makes it up for every pack anyway
and afaik syndi is locked at 2m
i miss machine gun frost
sweet summit
Ye bos is 2
left hatch
i think the only aspect of UH i do'nt like is having to manually turn off ghoul claw
sweet summit
You can also play icecap frost. But only psychopaths play icecap 👀
left hatch
rumbling has some use
like.. saurids in AD if you don't snap em
but yeh in a lot of instances having an extra stun/interrupt is very valuable
novel ruin
storm in 95% of situations
sharp night
haughty forum
Thanks for all the help earlier btw. I really appreciate it.
orchid frigate
if i do a 5-mask with someone completly afk what will they still get a core?
or just the loot?
warm plinth
They'll get anything that would have come from the main chest during a full clear, including the core @orchid frigate
orchid frigate
alright, so if i want to carry my wife i just park her char at the start and go about it?
sweet summit
It was a joke but ok :(
warm plinth
Yes, just rez her for the last boss
orchid frigate
kk thx 🙂
void marten
i have heroic vexiona chest and mythic raden chest, my corruptions are 2x ineffable and bunch of versatility. is it worth losing heart of darkness+impassive vissage in favor of iron fortress and 15 ilvl?
modern brook
When I did Carrys I would clear the zones and then do a boss rush for loot after
First rez is free then u have 3 orbs for the half insanity and they can just stay dead on thrall
Tertiary rings arent really worth gear breakers
Idk the traits on those pieces off hand but assuming ur still hitting ur 3/1 split I think u take ilvl there
Esp if ur shield is <460
buoyant walrus
30ilvl boost on azerite helm but lose bastion
modern brook
Ilvl
void marten
yeah i have 3 bastion and 1 deafening
obtuse yoke
i feel like i gotta buy a backup set of IT 1
1 for TD + IT build, 1 for vers IT build
mellow patio
Put on weapon and shield, probably rarely swap those out
obtuse yoke
i already have 2x IT 1 on my mechagon rings
which are the 3 diff abilities/haste buff ones
but if i went full versa/IT build, i'd swap those for vers rings. I have a 475 haste/vers and 470 nzoth ring
orchid frigate
ugh, afk carry as prot was a bit harder than i suspected
if i dont get lucky with TD procs some bosses takes forever 😄
delicate swan
You can also play icecap frost. But only psychopaths play icecap 👀
@sweet summit
Pretty sure your still playing fury when Arms is clearly the better spec rn
No Tox ❤️ 😂
I miss flaming you 😫
orchid frigate
people are still playing fury?
delicate swan
@sweet summit is I'm pretty sure
delicate swan
you dont need me , you've got good healers already dont you 😉
- Capable will commit suicide if i leave i think 😂
Talking about Capable , heared @ionic fern had a good run with him last week
KEKW
delicate swan
Mawhi almost RQ'ed 😂😂
delicate swan
Capable + M+ + Bolstering
Actually the hardest affixes in the game to have
Fortified Capable Bolstering Awakened
ionic fern
@delicate swan don't talk about it. Half the time i was wondering why is he doing such weird pulls and positioning enemies so weirdly and the other half i was wondering why is he running Anima major.
undone sun
Major Anime 
sweet summit
delicate swan
😂 😂 😂 😂
sick sentinel
is it more worthy to switch my shoulders out if they have avatar and OP?
it's between the pauldrons of ifnite darkness and writhin spaulders of madness
i lose 1/2 my defeaning but gain iron fortress, lose resounding but i gain impassive. lose heed my call for overwhelming power.
strong forum
Skitra shoulders aka Writing Spaulders, are bis
sick sentinel
the only bad part i could really see was going from 2 defeaning to 1 def 1 IF
alright
strong forum
they have bom+hod+op+iv
all the best traits in the game
Carapace shoulders aka infinite darkness only have Bom thats good
sick sentinel
oh damn, guess i was lucky thinking i should probably switch cause of more haste.
i guess it's not worth for prot to wear the engi head tho right?
cause of no bom
strong forum
if you have a helmet with bom no, but its the best helmet that doesnt have bom
sick sentinel
i've got phantasmic reality
which is pretty ok id say
managed to time 2x +20 yesterday aswell
really like the new build here tbh
strong forum
what do you mean new build
nzoth helmet is the 4th best helmet in the game on HC, 2nd best on mythic
sick sentinel
going from having more vers to having more haste, playing with VoP as major, getting my 2x R1 ineff yesterday etc
alot has changed for my playstyle in the last 2 days
strong forum
ah so you mean the proper build
sick sentinel
and i kinda like where it is going
yeah
i was going more for the "let's not get 1shot" build
AkA full vers i reckon
sick sentinel
but this is way more fun, with ineff proc up, avatar and a few haste procs I have about 0.6 seconds TC
which head is the bis for prot? and what chest?
i currently run with the ashvane warden's cuirass
and phanta head
strong forum
abyssal malevolence helmet, mechanised plate chassis / vexiona chest
sick sentinel
i wanted to try my luck today with a random head, got the overseer's, seemed pretty shitty tbh.
alpine stag
😆
sick sentinel
what makes the mechanized better than the one i have tho?
i mean, mine has the 1k haste proc
for 20 sec
and mecha has clockwork
alpine stag
bom, clockwork, overwhelming
delicate swan
Hahaha the Squirell is hard to dodge tho @ionic fern Kapp
sick sentinel
yeah
strong forum
clockwork howver is better for m+ because its not rng, its always 1min CD
it aligns really well with avatar most of the time giving you quite the dmg boost during it
cuz its 400 vers,haste,mast,crit
every minute
sick sentinel
yeah
strong forum
and it only procs in combat
sick sentinel
should probably get a tracker for it then huh?
alpine stag
ye so it usually procs on pull
hence with avatar clockwork, u do tons of threat and are extra tanky making a pull
sick sentinel
yeah im with on so far
alpine stag
and if u running verse amps, its extra verse on the start of a pull
sick sentinel
im with you on that so far*
i'm up to 44% haste right now
and I kinda wanna farm out some more. my pants are 470 with vers/crit + socket
i wanna try to go for a pair of 465 haste/vers
and i guess hope for a socket, or for one out soon enough
quiet tinsel
Hi all, aware there are guides and info around, although i have had conflicting info from different players about the best stats for all round prot play (i only raid and dont do M+ really) but i am currently haste + crit based, is haste + vers better overall? ive changed these stats around a few times this xpac and always end up having conflict with other warriors/tanks over the best stats
ionic fern
In general for raiding it's ilvl-haste-vers
Chances are you will do fine with what ever secondary stats as long as you're using your highest ilvl gear (except rings/trinkets etc) and playing the class correctly. For dps purposes you can also sim yourself to see what comes up ahead.
gentle ore
anyone knows what the addon nerftank has that shows threat % on the targetframe?
full monolith
Afaik Nerf uses blizz ui for player and target frame. Blizz ui shows threat % on target frame while elvui does not
full monolith
I thought it is standard. Havent used blizz ui for a while
Interface -> Display -> Tick the box „show aggro percentage“ ?@gentle ore
full monolith
I was just copy - pasting from reddit 😄 combat maybe?
gentle ore
cant find it 😦
full monolith
Seems like 8.1.5 removed the option. Sorry mate :/
gentle ore
ah okey, so there has to be an addon for it now i guess then?
full monolith
I got one but that doesnt stick to any frame. Can look up later when I am at home
lucid pendant
is 80 leech worth -5ilvl ? Stat distributions are same
left hatch
not usually no
maybe on wrists or belt
generally tertiaries are just nice bonus' to have but not worth very much compared to str/stam/armor/secondaries , and in 99.9% of content the small trickle of self healing isn't going to change anything
were not a reactive tank that benefits greatly from hp
hps*
left hatch
eh up to you then, personally id just stick with ilvl
true sparrow
Leech is good for stuff like soloing mythic dogs in antorus
lucid pendant
might equip it, i do M+ mostly
left hatch
the defensive benefit of either choice is negligible, and the ilvl will give you slightly more dps
quiet tinsel
In general for raiding it's ilvl-haste-vers
Chances are you will do fine with what ever secondary stats as long as you're using your highest ilvl gear (except rings/trinkets etc) and playing the class correctly. For dps purposes you can also sim yourself to see what comes up ahead.
@ionic fern ty ty
sick sentinel
i got crit mastery with 850 mastery for 15 seconds gloves corrupt, but corrupt without it is like 10 or 13, so almost need to wear them
keep me under 40 cr
near pewter
Any tips for doing a 5 mask as prot?
torn gulch
play a td build with crucible main and dps trinkets like the computational device+cyclotronic blast and merektha's fang
you should be able to combo bosses under 50% with crucyble+cyclotronic
near pewter
would scale and eye be fine for trinkets?
torn gulch
any decent trinket is fine
but hard dps trinkets will help you down bosses much faster
merketha's for AOE cyclotronic+crucible for ST
I do my vision runs with TD6 and the trinkets I told you before
goes very fast and very smooth
torn gulch
you do not need those trinkets
as for arms I cannot advise because i've done all my visions this patch as prot
but I've heard dps do them faster
torn gulch
yea some bosses kinda require to play your titan proc
rexxar and unbound abomination come to mind
or umbric and aleria for melee
sick sentinel
u can make 100 sanity for 10second eating buff
2 or 3 minute CD
get weak aura to auto mark problem boys and track potions
modern brook
ppl actualy use that?
sick sentinel
hell yeah
torn gulch
sometimes
torn gulch
you mean the food or the weakaura?
torn gulch
i play with 2% per second food
sick sentinel
i'd rather safe play personally
modern brook
from me tbh
sick sentinel
i never touch the potions because i know one of them can fuck me and i don't bother checking which one it is at start
sick sentinel
so i just rationalize it that all of them are bad, and don't even look for them
modern brook
Uhhh ok
left hatch
i sometimes get chain fucked by bwemba
modern brook
why are you pulling bwemba ?????????
torn gulch
example is attempting unbound abomination with no titan proc on split leaden foot
left hatch
i go for full clear for da mementos (:
modern brook
smh
sick sentinel
bullfango, u know how when u go into a zone and it has the semi circle disorent guys or the bugs or the chains?
modern brook
I've done visions yes
sick sentinel
well, one of the masks is 2 at the same time, and another is max reduced by 50% and another is 400% sanity taken
so, you can easily get destroyed in 5 mask
modern brook
Yeah no dude I'm aware of how visions work
left hatch
eh depends on the pack
torn gulch
have you done 5 masks?
modern brook
and I'm saying all of that is wasted economy
torn gulch
especially 5 masks stormwind?
left hatch
the ppl appearing around you is mostly a non factor
theres a handful of nasty mobs
that can combo you
torn gulch
unbound without titan proc on split leaden foot
modern brook
I wasnt considering rex or shaw since they're bosses
torn gulch
a lot of peeps do
left hatch
brave souls
left hatch
yeh tell me about it
torn gulch
especially of stormwind
left hatch
was a really cool thing for about a month
torn gulch
20 sockets+mount
sick sentinel
oh hell no, i didn't do that much content
torn gulch
this week is my last week in visions i need like 20k more and cba
got everything including the muncher
bye bye visions
sick sentinel
i got the muncher EZ
someone told me it dropped and i was in the room so i did my run and i got it 5 minutes later
modern brook
smh its gunna be the same thing tbh
visions suck cause they said "i wonder what happens if we take all the engagement of world content and put it into instanced 'challenge modes'"
shit got fucking boring within the month of its release
sick sentinel
i will still laugh so hard if asmon never gets mail muncher and it goes away forever tho
left hatch
torghast at least has procedural generation and is allegedly gonna update dynamically
instead of just the same fucking thing every week
torn gulch
gonna get trashed in his mounts offs every time by a mail muncher
if he does not get it
sick sentinel
there is a very real chance that he may not be able to get it if his luck continues, only get 2-4 runs per week.
left hatch
and (hopefully) itll require less runs since you can get all your rewards from highest run
torn gulch
you can get 5.5 runs a week
left hatch
so a few weeks in you can just do 1 a week
torn gulch
tbh he did not do a lot of vision runs in general
and i do not think the mail muncher will go forever
visions will probably still be doable as legacy stuff in SL
probably
sweet summit
but why
sick sentinel
i doubt it, we killed nzoth
torn gulch
if they disable them and he does not get it it will be funny stuff
left hatch
the only cosmetic thing i cared about from visions was the backpack and "faceless one" title
which for sure that mount is gonna go away
if he doesn't already have it
misty mulch
Is it better to use 465 pieces with bastion or 480 (dungeon) without it?
sweet summit
480
sweet summit
you can sim for dps if thats what you are after
misty mulch
Mainly for general tankyness
left hatch
yeh itll be the 480
sweet summit
then ilvl is your best friend
misty mulch
Perfect
left hatch
the only time i wouldn't take a 480 over it is if you were going from something BiS like.. BoM/CwH to something truly awful like BS/CR
grim pulsar
@left hatch someone said to me yesterday that for prot warrior your weapon whichever one is higher ilvl is the best
is this true?
sweet summit
it is
left hatch
yeh
if nothing else your IP scaling comes directly from weapon ilvl
so ilvl>all for a weapon
grim pulsar
I got the weap from heroic from first boss with socket in, it has right stats over the mace from freehold ivl 465
left hatch
the FH one will be better
sweet summit
dont worry too much about stats. all stats are good, so more stats are what you want. at equal ilvl take the item with more haste
left hatch
basically the only time you consider dropping ilvl on weapons is if you're looking to parse/min max damage
cause servant splitter/fusion hacker is worth some ilvl in ST/cleave
and stat weapons are worth a bit over those in big aoe
but thats only for parse hunting
sick sentinel
boys
grim pulsar
Damn okay, i was happy when i got the 1h sword haaha
sick sentinel
i tried
main vault
Do or do not, there is no try
abstract turtle
Press twidev on cool down
modern brook
nvm
sweet summit
canonball runner
sick sentinel
it was a pug i joined
abstract turtle
UR isn't so bad if you can get thru 2nd boss tantrums on tyrannical
sick sentinel
why the fuck the rogue take 2 gemhide
sweet summit
to survive tantrum
modern brook
🤷♂️ probably better than like self reliance
the real q is why does he have gut ripper and a shitty haste trinket for m+
and running VoP but no BotE
and MYDAS
sweet summit
mydas is bis ive heard :)
sick sentinel
see this is where i get confused, i don't know how to evaluate talents for other classes for shit
modern brook
my secret is that i dont actually play warrior
main vault
Mydas is bad for anyone
modern brook
I'm a rogue
main vault
Everywhere
sweet summit
nexii... old man...
left hatch
tbf i can see running Iris over bote if you're a lazy one like me
modern brook
Mydas is BIS for the scrapper tbh
main vault
It’s the Sporepods of dps
left hatch
cba to farm out BoTE for my dps alts
but i also don't want to go higher than like 20 with em
sick sentinel
don't play rogue period, only use is faster unlocking in TD so you don't get bolster on jes
abstract turtle
I still don't have bote either. But if I'm going sin on tyrannical week, I'm just gonna use CLF and meme on bosses
modern brook
Also true
sweet summit
CLF 
left hatch
they're huuuuuge value
modern brook
rogue brings nothing that hunters dont also do better rn
sick sentinel
yeah
abstract turtle
Rogue is literally a meme at this point
sick sentinel
and hunter is kinda useless too they don't really cc for crap now
left hatch
i just really hate Outlaw
having their aoe tied to a cd
and having your dps be an rng clusterfuck
just isn't fun
i liked MoP combat much better
sweet summit
why cant we just bring a hunterpet and replace the hunter with something useful
sick sentinel
well, second warlock does more dps, gunna be 2 warlock meta lol
main vault
If a lock is doing more dps you have a shit Hunter
sweet summit
5% luck
20% skill
modern brook
the box charts look it because ppl cant play this game
left hatch
the whole reason warlock isn't meta anymore is because all 3 have some amount of ramp up time
and are HEAVILY HEAVILY hurt by any movement
main vault
And second warlock implies you brought a first warlock
left hatch
while BM/mages can just hit the ground running
and hunters have a ton of utility
one of 2 classes that can deal with enrage
tame garden
U need kicks in bfa
left hatch
fairly hefty offheal cd
sick sentinel
i don't see any melee monks any more
left hatch
immunity
tame garden
Simple as that
sick sentinel
i forget actual spec name
main vault
Feral can big pump
sick sentinel
feral too, literal zero feral dps
left hatch
but the amount of effort you have to put in to compete with easier classes
main vault
Just does nothing else
left hatch
just makes it not worth it
main vault
Feral AoE isn’t any effort
left hatch
cleave tho
and besides them the only other class that still cares about pandemic is lock
which tbh i don't even think lock has to worry about
and by pandemic i mean snapshotting
idk where i got pandemic from
modern brook
feral isnt any effort
left hatch
so if you get out of sync in your rotation you're not only HEAVILY punished for it, but you also basically have to redo your opener
modern brook
BFA feral is about as complex as sin rogue
left hatch
ehhh id disagree with that
is it super complex no
is it super complex to every other melee. fuck yes
main vault
@tame garden feral hard?
modern brook
??? u just press ur CDs on CD and dont overwrite the bleed
sick sentinel
why don't they just make feral simple? who cares that it's a 4th spec, bear is simple
modern brook
build to 5, pool, bite on 50
left hatch
for 5heads like me waiting for that 50 is tough ok ):
main vault
Technically Bear is the 4th spec
left hatch
just wanna mash my buttons
modern brook
YEah ok fair
tame garden
🐻 👍
brittle owl
technically druid is for the bench
modern brook
it definitely requires a shift in mentality from melee dps
but i dont think the core concept of its rotation is very difficult
boils down to maintain bleeds and bite big
left hatch
yeh i do'nt either, but it is more effort than any other class
same with WW,
having to worry about maintaining the buff in aoe
modern brook
I stand by that from a game design, like 1-120 perspective
left hatch
is marginally more annoying than any other melee which is just mash button do big aoe
modern brook
wind walker is the most poorly designed class in the game
tame garden
Shadow priest would like a word
sweet summit
fury is the best designed spec in the game atm 
sick sentinel
frost mage can be really nice for necrotic
main vault
What
tame garden
Ww has tuning issues but the rotation still feels good
main vault
WW is amazing
tame garden
Shadow just feels terrible to play
main vault
And is easily the best designed class
modern brook
If you enter wow and play it like an RPG
left hatch
eh i like their mastery and hit combo gameplay
just don't like how their aoe works with crane kick
modern brook
you can go 80 levels and not realize "spamming black out kick" is a bad way to play
tame garden
Does ww spam blackout kick
main vault
That’s fine, who cares
left hatch
bad ones do (:
modern brook
No im just saying
modern brook
from a like game design, my leveling experience teaches me my class etc point of view
tame garden
That's brewmaster
left hatch
you can't spam any WW spell cause you lose a like... 20% damage buff if you repeat spells
modern brook
WW sub 120 is the most dividded from how it plays at 120, if that makes sense
tame garden
Ah I never leveled as ww
modern brook
specifically because it doesnt get its mastery which defines the entire class until some stupid late level
main vault
I have
left hatch
hey you can spam 1 spell on arcane mage
sick sentinel
i should run M wrath try to get that 475 trinket
left hatch
technically 2 spells
modern brook
and as an extention of that spending chi on anything besides black out kick SUB mastery levels is a DPS loss
left hatch
Arcane Blast/Explosion all you ever need bb
sick sentinel
doubt i'd go any further tho
main vault
FoF costs Chi
left hatch
and has bis shoulders
modern brook
^
sick sentinel
no idea how to do any of the fights beside wrath and maut
left hatch
78 is mastery for every class i think
but yah if you don't already know wtf mastery does for them
everything you do up to 78 is completely and utterly wrong
main vault
Yes its 78, same as most classes
main vault
leveling in general is poor design though
modern brook
yeah
left hatch
i wonder if 1-50 is gonna just make mastery a baseline thing
modern brook
this game doesnt exist until 120
main vault
Alot of classes play different pre/post mastery
modern brook
buti think WW is the biggest offender of the shitty leveling design
left hatch
eh idk, i can't really think of a class whos mastery changes their gameplay
rather than just builds on/rewards what they're already doing
modern brook
at least to the same extent as combo
left hatch
like ret.... more holy damage wooo
main vault
10% more dmg isnt really that much when leveling
main vault
Thats what the mastery is, 10% dmg
modern brook
so like the 1-119 experience should basically be a tutorial for your character
left hatch
i mean for that matter most CDs in the game are irrelevent while leveling
it doesn't mean it should'nt teach you how to use it
modern brook
if you can go 78 levels and then find outeverything you knew is wrong
that sjust bad design
main vault
I guess
left hatch
and the interactions in the base rotation you will need to know at 120
main vault
But I can also read I guess so idk
left hatch
yeh thats true but
anecdotal experience, i prefer to level something to learn the rotation
fury and arms were really overwhelming to get into swapping into it at 120
main vault
Thats what I level for also
left hatch
lvld one as horde, and boom
everything makes sense
and to me its nice to feel the kit come together
modern brook
a lot of people also dont consider checking 3rd party sights for breif overviews on how to play things
left hatch
better understanding of how it works
main vault
But it doesnt bother me that it changes at 78 and I need to do something different for 42 levels
Its not even 3rd party
You could read the tooltip and know not to hit two spells back to back
left hatch
blizz tooltips tho
and tbh i don't think most casuals even read passive in the Spell book at first
main vault
you are right
left hatch
new button pops up o screen/bar yeh
left hatch
yah thats fair
sick sentinel
i know how we failed the key on further examination
main vault
So they wouldnt even be aware to some "rotational change" because they have been yolo hitting shit already
sick sentinel
i some how died to the tank buster, then someone pulled all the ticks to group
and then rogue died 3 times at end
sick sentinel
tankbuster
left hatch
yeh i can't think of a tankbuster mechanic in UR
sick sentinel
obelisk at 2nd
main vault
sure, you just can literally just sidestep or backpeddle indigestion
still pagoda
indegestion hurts doesnt it?
@modern brook
I dropped from full HP to 10% in +21UR yesterday
just by accidentally not running out
left hatch
yeh totes avoidable
sick sentinel
Intercept, theres so many things as a warrior x)
left hatch
was gonna say any tank buster you can totally avoid is not really a tank buster
then i remembered monk dodging is a thin
sweet summit
intercept to healer, kills entire group
sick sentinel
all about timing 😄
exotic spoke
Tank buster isn’t that bad to face tank up through 23s. I’d say higher but my group fell apart when we lost two members and were just trying to rebuild how
For indigestion you can just walk out of range of it
alpine stag
Ye if your charge back will take some ticks off the floor too
modern brook
q: is the tank buster ob dude blockable?
honest plinth
take hunter pet with you haha
alpine stag
So u wanna ignore pain/psychic shell/shield wall the slam
And then shield block while u have the debuff
sweet summit
what slam where
alpine stag
His ability
modern brook
the breaker of heros dude
alpine stag
Idk what it’s called
alpine stag
Ye
exotic spoke
He hits like a little bitch other than the big attack
modern brook
I couldnt remember if that was block/sr-able and its not in the sheet
exotic spoke
And if you just have a CD running you’re fine
sweet summit
it aint
alpine stag
Neither
alpine stag
Ye ^
But if u have a hunter u don’t have to think about it
If they know what to do
sweet summit
dps loss reee
alpine stag
True
I tell my hunter not to taunt
But If u doing him with a boss
depending on the boss
It could be useful
ripe ermine
Hi, which M+ dung should I farm for a Shield ?
ripe ermine
I was thinking more of TD or Sethralis for versatility on it
left hatch
if you're at a level of keys where you need to farm M+ for a shield upgrade
versa is not what you should be thinking about
strong forum
facts
left hatch
ilvl>haste>crit>=versa until you get to like 22/23
strong forum
get more ilvl
left hatch
sta %'s don't matter
strong forum
then start looking at stats
left hatch
you won't care about statlines until every piece is 470/475 OR you start doing 23+'s
which.. probably won't happen till you're close to that ilvl anyway
ripe ermine
true
toxic gyro
Also I wouldn’t use fang if you’re novice at tanking
proud heart
guys given out we got all the echoes and shit to spend
would we want to slot in an ineffable truth?
or all vers 12%?
left hatch
you want 2 IT 1's
and depending on your key level you shouldn't be worried about versa amps
proud heart
doing 20s-22s
left hatch
still a little early for versa amps
but yeh 2IT1's are basically mandatory for any key level
and much much more important than the amps
mental scarab
What Will give more dps overall? Full vers stack corruption or TD? At 475 gear
proud heart
awesome ty 😄