ouch
#protection
crisp dragon
left hatch
and fuck i got like 7 of each before i got the slappers on my hdh
crisp dragon
just not sure what to cleanse rn, I put TD 2 on my sword, I can remove that since I have TD 3 gloves with TD 2 feet, then cleanse some versa 12 get IT1's, if this makes any sense
then Im sitting on 59 I think
left hatch
id cleanse the versa
unless you're planning on doing like keys a decent amount above 20
crisp dragon
I aint
left hatch
its a subpar choice all around
left hatch
yeh having 1 expedient can't go wrong
persoanly id ditch it for TD but also errything on farm
so take that with a grain of salt
crisp dragon
I see... I would do that due to the fact that I'd rather have 59 than 44 corruption
but not sure the 6%hp dmg is worth that switch
left hatch
6% td damage can be a game changer in some cases
deleting adds on fights like vex or ilgy is
its biiiiig value
crisp dragon
I feel like I have sooo much mastery gear, is that a bad thing?
left hatch
nah
mastery is an amazing stat for us
it just gets devalued a bit cause BoM is our best trait and you should 3 stack it
as long as its your highest ilvl, its not bad
crisp dragon
Doing a quick sim, then you can see if you think my decisions were good or dogshit
royal rune
first time tanking with IT1 x 2
really good shield block uptime
so different!
fark me
this is gonna change my life
left hatch
just wait till you do something like lord waycrest
or Rixxa
and get to spell reflect EVERY dot
crisp dragon
Oh! I didn't evne think about Spellreflects
left hatch
wasting strike
royal rune
i was struggling to time KR 19's before the corruption vendor
and now the 19 and 20 are ++
so different
good times
and no sudden dying from no SB
left hatch
👍
sharp rover
Would you drop 5 ilvl on bracers for 79 leech?
left hatch
same statline?
sharp rover
14 more haste, 16 less vers
left hatch
eh its a tossup
thats basically the only piece id ever consider dropping ilvl for leech even for fun
but that amount of leech also isn't gamechanging
go with yur gut (:
left hatch
not at all
left hatch
its a nice side benefit to have
but in reality it doesn't do that much
and only consider dropping ilvl on wrists/waist because you basically get 0 stats from the 5 ilvls
some of the realllllll big bois
have been looking for it to replace equivilant ilvl
cause no leech < leech if thats the only change
and high versa amounts makes it a decent amount of healing
but for 99.9% of the player base its better to just stick with ilvl and stats rather than worry about tertiaries
royal rune
yep k
hidden ledge
Hello - im currently sitting at 474 ilvl with TD 4 - IT r1 x2 - and Vers 3 x1 -
Effective stats:
Mastery 26%
Vers 16%
Haste 22%
Crit 16
For m+ is my haste too low? i have usually been sitting at 25% haste at the expense of vers. Currently doing keys in 17-18 keystone lvl range.
left hatch
its a bit on the low side
but for that range as long as you're going with ilvl>all (excluding trinkets obv)
yo'ure doing fine
stat %'s are largely irrelevent
i WOULD however drop that versa for an expedient
hidden ledge
thats interesting
left hatch
unless you NEED it to survive burst damage, point for point haste is a better defensive stat than versa (assuming you're playing correctly)
and frankly theres nothing in 17's/18's that are close to 1 shots
hidden ledge
ok, i understand
left hatch
DW too much about your stat weights either
for the most part they don't matter (:
just grab w/e the highest ilvl is, and if shits equal ilvl go for Haste>crit>=Versa
and dw too much about versa amps or stacking till you break into 20s
hidden ledge
ok man, thank you so much
left hatch
np
storm elk
is it still ilvl>stats for rings? Or sis that a sim it and see case.
left hatch
sim if you're comfy and only care about dps
defensively its kinda feelycrafty
sockets are easily worth 15 ilvls
storm elk
Yeah keeps simming this 445 ring with a socket as better than my 470
left hatch
i usually hold onto haste rings indefinitely until i get another haste ring
yeh sockets are stupid value
lilac cosmos
480 bbi chest or 465 vex chest?
left hatch
480
left hatch
only time youd drop ilvl on az is for your DC
still pagoda
First DC
lilac cosmos
but BoM so juicy tho 😢
still pagoda
Mecha or ashvane chest
left hatch
and not only is BoM juicy but vex chest is damn close to BiS ):
still pagoda
Or mythic vex
left hatch
but yeh not worth the giga amount of stats you lose
still pagoda
and not only is BoM juicy but vex chest is damn close to BiS ):
@left hatch
I would say it's equal to S-tier M+ chests
toxic remnant
Like fuck defensives Imma just delete this hoes
left hatch
tbh you're not losing a lot of defensive value at that level
albeit it i still keep on 2 IT1's cause hrngggg is it fun to have 3 back to back Avatars
but the versa isn't gonna massively reduce your ehrps at that level
and more than 1 expedient is overkill
left hatch
nothing wrong with it, but while you arn't in danger of hitting haste (even soft cap)
the value of more expedients isn't as good as 2 IT1's
and you don't really need to stack defensives like that till you hit the point of "oh god i need versa"
at which point you wouldn't worry about expedients anyway
toxic remnant
I wonder at what point I should just switch back to a single TD3 plus IT's and stuff
Haven't really pushed this week
Seems yuck
left hatch
gonna be really feely crafty, personally i can go to like 22/23 with just my IT's and TD
but versa is pretty good for mitigating mistakes
some mistakes anyway.... its not gonna save you from multiple missed salt/water blast casts
rough hazel
Hi there, I'm trying to gear a warrior for m+, so I'm farming like mad to get gear. This is my first time looting a +15 weekly chest and I got the Mechagon bracers without any secondary stats.
Are they worth it? Should I cheer or cry? Anodized Deflectors in 475 ilvl
toxic remnant
Do you always keep corruption at 39? I have the feeling the second I go over 40 I get two copies in a row
left hatch
basically the worst bracers at that ilvl
but if its a decent ilvl upgrade still worth using
just macro the effect onto TC
nah i go to 59 pretty often
you have a ton of tools to deal with TFB
rough hazel
T.T every other slot is like 460, low versa 😄 almoast any item would be an upgrade
toxic remnant
Spell Reflect + gtfo with leap?
left hatch
until you start pushing well into the 20 range
twilit elk
which one should i go for? mainly playing m+ (not high keys, around 15)
rough hazel
I'm already pushing 22's on my VDH, reroling prot 🙂
left hatch
even at that range its not time to all in on a versa build
rough hazel
Well thanks for the input 🙂 will go cry a little now, have a great day all
left hatch
and yeh splatatata, that and shockwave, stormbolt or even just popping a IP and giving him a hug
its capped at 36% max
so... not that big a deal in a lot of scenarios
@twilit elk the servant splitter
also.... the versa navigation is almost def a bad play
twilit elk
@left hatch ok tyvm ;), what should i go for?
left hatch
Force multiplier
it double procs secondaries
basically anytime you hit avatar
(assuming you have at least 1 BoM)
so it has a really crazy stat budget
twilit elk
oh i see, thx
toxic remnant
What's capped at 36%?
left hatch
the only thing that increases it is shadow damage % increases... which off the top of my head is only found in Visions and on skittra
toxic remnant
Oh man I might go TD7
left hatch
the only keys i don't run 59
at a like 20/21 level
is shrine and waycrest
oh and tyrancial ML
cause ik i need to budget out my SR's for other shit
and tbh at 59 its not TFB thats the bugger
its the eyeball and the slow
unless you get really bad rng and 3 /4 spawn at once
which... does happen once in a blue moon
left hatch
nah even that not lethal unless you already have like KR or rezan bleed on you
toxic remnant
Didn't really knew they were capped, that's a game changer
I came like 2 months ago and been going pretty blind at things lmao
The warrior way, just charge away
left hatch
yeh i have an addon that gives me info on exactly what the current corruption level gives
Narcissus i think it is
so it has down the the exact amount how much the ticks of eyeball will do, how much the slow is etc
sick sentinel
is ilvl > traits on azerite pieces?
toxic remnant
I'll check it out.
toxic remnant
Anyways, good talk. Thanks for the help and the info.
left hatch
the only other time i wouldn't take ilvl is if i was going from something crazy BiS like BoM + CwH to something truly god awful like BS+CR
rapid trench
If you have 2 tfb up at the same time if you get hit by 1 the other despawns; exception to this is when they hit you at the same time
cinder jackal
All other things being equal, what would be considered a better loadout;
41 haste & 15 vers
54 haste & 12 vers
Running M+ 18 ish keys
cinder jackal
Is there a key/content level that pushes vers up?
still pagoda
+23 keys and higher
still pagoda
and then you are starting to only look at it
still pagoda
you don't need vers in mythic Nya either
just rotate your CD's and don't slack
and it'll be good
cinder jackal
Yeah I'm 4/12 on Mythic Ny'alotha, and tbh, surviability really hasn't been the issue.
Now I am starting to run M+ (I'm normally DPS in my M+ team), so have been playing around as to whether my stat priority is any different
Thankfully, it's not
still pagoda
Yeah I'm 4/12 on Mythic Ny'alotha, and tbh, surviability really hasn't been the issue.
It won't be an issue on any boss
torn monolith
Do you guys do visions as prot or arms or a mixture of both, like prot for all the trash and arms for the bosses
strange tide
Prot prot prot prot
dusk axle
Been running my visions with a holy pally and I’ve never had more success lol
Prot x holy pally
I found a weak aura that meows when thing from beyond is about to appear and it has made my life so easy 😂
frosty wren
@torn monolith u can do it with every spec u want. I mainly do it as Prot und run full haste and as much TD as possible
torn monolith
returining player so im not fully decked out
only really have 460 ilvl and two haste proc corruptios
frosty wren
Since visions adjust to your spec u can run it with what ever u feel safer
sick sentinel
Hey guys! I'm planning on pushing above 20 soon with my warrior and noticed that this week has both ineff rank 1 / 2 and versa rank 3. I bought 1 ineff rank 1 so far, should i get another one and then go for 7x 12% vers? I do have 2x 12% vers atm, so I really only need to buy 4-5 more of them if that's the case.
wary onyx
Just wanted to thank @left hatch as the reason I popped on here was answered by skimming the last couple of hours of this thread. Thanks 👍🏼
coral marsh
is the weapon from junkjard mecha that gives only health and a unique passive any good for tanking?
or is it trash?
somebody here?
modern brook
smh guy couldnt even wait a minute
ilvl > everything
if its even ilvl you take the one with stats
coral marsh
you sure it has no secondary stats but health?
modern brook
yes im sure.
weapon ilvl brings mainstats + weapon damage
and its easier to find haste on rings than it is to find weapon damage on them so you take ilvl over everything in that slot always
same with shields only replace weapon damage with block value
coral marsh
460 hands with +80 strength socker or 475?
coral marsh
with + 66 agony and rank III
modern brook
but again; ilvl > everything in like 99% of cases
a snippit from the icy veins guide that if you havent read i suggest you do
but following this mentality will put you in a very serviceable position as far as gearing.
modern brook
np
scarlet copper
that doesn't necessarily apply when vers stacking though for high keys I assume?
fleet nova
Guys, in the beginning of the week we can have expedient III, but later on there will be versatile III on Saturday. Is the haste good way to go or just w8 for versa?
still pagoda
Guys, in the beginning of the week we can have expedient III, but later on there will be versatile III on Saturday. Is the haste good way to go or just w8 for versa?
@fleet nova
The way to go is TD
sweet summit
Both are decent fillers
fleet nova
I have TD
still pagoda
vers is worse below +22-23
sweet summit
Do you have one or two IT1?
fleet nova
Thanks guys!
And about ring Ilvl is it the same? Take max or choose stats? Question is between 465 475
modern brook
that doesn't necessarily apply when vers stacking though for high keys I assume?
@scarlet copper IF you're at the point where you're verse stacking for high keys; I imagine its safe to assume you have multiple pieces within the same ilvl range per slot
Like the baseline "ilvl > all" is a generic catch all since simming defensively isnt practical
but like if you were ever fighting a raid boss who had no blockable damage
taking high ilvl mastery item is a burden
compared to slightly lower verse
still pagoda
have you ever seen first boss in ML turning to the tank right at the end of claw cast and hitting me no matter if i did move out or not
Beta for Azeroth
sweet summit
Skitra has no blockable damage or am i dumb
modern brook
Oh 100% but i just mean like defensively it doesnt bring a whole lot
for that kind of fight
in comparison to haste or verse
sweet summit
Yeh
modern brook
The point is just that like you take ilvl over all cause our stats are just good
but if you're at the point where ur optimizing a stat for sometihng
youre allowed to drop ilvl to do that
you're just also at the point where you dont need to double check your intuition with a discord server 🤷♂️
modern brook
not tryna throw shade
dusk axle
PvP or low mythics for echoes farm
sweet summit
pvp if u win
modern brook
if you like arena and can win pvp
ancient dragon
struggling to choose between uchin 445 and twisted titan shard with socket, with the psyschic shell, do u have a input here?
dusk axle
Mythics it is 
scarlet copper
all good, I enjoy a little shade 🙂 I just got my warrior to where he is rather quickly, so I'm still learning the class/spec and I like to double check things here
sweet summit
@ancient dragon vita or void?
modern brook
thats one of the biggest reasons to have class discord simo
ancient dragon
void
modern brook
nothing wrong with asking questions
modern brook
even if they've been asked many times before >:(
sweet summit
what other trinkets do you have
dusk axle
Finally got all of my friends to play wow and ofc I was nominated tank. You guys have been a godsend
sweet summit
where do we send god
dusk axle
To me
ancient dragon
so i guess should urchin with shell then
dusk axle
Pls
sweet summit
modern brook
I'll take [gearing question]over is prot viable? any day
sweet summit
@ancient dragon do you need two defensive trinkets??
dusk axle
Some TD drops while you’re at it
sweet summit
if you dont then its a big waste
dusk axle
Tfw you’re rocking 460 shield and 410 wep
strong forum
Better than the other way around
modern brook
LOL that was me for like a solid 2 months dude
Did m wrathion w/ a 410 weapon and got the sword on first try 😎
modern brook
no one saw it was good
dusk axle
I got carried on a +11 Monday. I got a single piece from it it was my highest piece at that point. Weekly drop was the same slot just +5 
novel ruin
@modern brook How viable is Prot Warrior for Arena pushing, Rated Battlegrounds and Open world content? 😛
modern brook
viable
novel ruin
rofl
modern brook
"all tanks are able to do all content, you just might need to be a bit more awake thana brew" - this discord, circa 2018
sweet summit
how viable is ineffable ravager with dragon roar?
strong forum
7
sweet summit
big
modern brook
if ur not running ravager ur not invited to my parties tbh
sweet summit
timed a 20 JY with ineffable ravager+BSC
modern brook
modern brook
it def fits in prots theme of "having a shield and yelling"
novel ruin
Now Blizz just needs to give Warriors a healing spec and we set for lyfe
modern brook
I like to think fury will get reworked into one
sweet summit
vers stacking 
modern brook
yeah but fury is all i feel when i heal
still pagoda
But fury is fun to play...
Not BfA fury
sweet summit
delet arm and make me yell at people to restore hp
modern hawk
hi, is the recourcses up to date? looking to learn how to path in m+ as tank
still pagoda
ocean heath
so is the fireproof bracers from 3rd boss in TD any good for any particular dungeon or raid boss?
sick sentinel
since everyone seems to be here i'll re-post my earlier question that never got answered.
Hey guys! I'm planning on pushing above 20 soon with my warrior and noticed that this week has both ineff rank 1 / 2 and versa rank 3. I bought 1 ineff rank 1 so far, should i get another one and then go for 7x 12% vers? I do have 2x 12% vers atm, so I really only need to buy 4-5 more of them if that's the case
novel ruin
@modern hawk yes they are. Any specific questions feel free to ask
modern brook
@modern hawk the guides are up to date for the classes; i dont know if there are any generic routes written up somewhere
sweet summit
@ocean heath the resistance doesnt to anything, its just there to look pretty
modern brook
@sick sentinel you dont really NEED verse until 24~+ depending on how much you trust your healer
sick sentinel
the resist on the bracers can be good if plan on facetanking alot of bomb mechanics as they are dealing fire damage, otherwise they don't do much yeah. xD
modern brook
and i know a lot of people like 2x IT1's
sick sentinel
trust my healer? i pug 24/7 mate.
ocean heath
a comment on wowhead seems to suggest it does work though for about 3% chance
novel ruin
@sick sentinel Will you be pushing to 23/24s in the next 4 weeks?
sick sentinel
hopefully?
novel ruin
Do you have all 20s timed?
sick sentinel
I have 0 timed 20s
sweet summit
do not go for it
novel ruin
Then most likely not
sick sentinel
cause everyones banging on me to go for vers corrupts otherwise im not welcomed
novel ruin
Then go TD with 2x rank 1 IT
sweet summit
they are dumb
modern brook
i think you stil lwant a td3 even in the verse stack, dont you?
novel ruin
Tell them they are stupid
modern brook
oh well never building verse then smh
left hatch
22 you can still go all in and be fine, theres no definitive right answer
sick sentinel
so what else should i go for then since my gear is pretty much mixed af
but im at 30% vers unbuffed
left hatch
its gonna be really feely crafty on how comfortable you are, and how much trust you have in your healer
strong forum
The fire resistance is also just flavour on the bracers, does nothing
sick sentinel
with 2x12% vers, 2x IT R1 and TD3
strong forum
You have more vers than me and I'm doing 23/24s my guy
novel ruin
@sick sentinel Thats fine
modern brook
yeah that sounds workable to me
strong forum
I ran 3% vers until breaking into 23s
novel ruin
But you could also drop vers amps for more Td if you want
sick sentinel
feels like TD is kinda meh tho
sick sentinel
i mean.. when it procs yeah
novel ruin
Means less damage you take
strong forum
It's only 20k+ dps, very meh indeed
sick sentinel
but TD doesnt help me against bosses in tyra weeks
novel ruin
It does
novel ruin
If you already have a mixed build stick with it
modern brook
it just claps twice every time you clap
sick sentinel
dying faster = less substantional damage yes.
novel ruin
Just realize you don’t need the defense at a 20 level, just need to play decently
left hatch
eh ppl that fixate on if it procs vs not arn't looking at the dungeon on a whole, or ALL the dungeons you run as a whole
strong forum
Nothing even scratches in 20s
left hatch
sure it might not proc on 1 pack
strong forum
Whatsoever
sick sentinel
should i still buy the vers this saturday to prepare for the higher keys?
left hatch
but its normalizes eventually
sick sentinel
so if i were to go above 20 im ready with full vers stack if needed
strong forum
You can keep it in bags for once you break into 23/24 sure
left hatch
you can, theres really nothing else to buy if you already have your 2 IT1's and some TD
unless you wanna try memey shit
sick sentinel
cause the warriors ive seen with 2x IT R1 and 5-6 vers x 12% doesn't take any damage pretty much
left hatch
thats more because of flawless play
sweet summit
same thing if you play properly in a +20 without vers
novel ruin
You don’t take damage at a 20 level
left hatch
than just the versa
versa only truly shines against burst damage, unavoidable magic damage, and to help (somewhat) with mistakes
in a 20 the first 2 don't exist in a way that matters
and the 3rd can be ironed out with practice and getting comfortable with the content
sick sentinel
but doesnt TD scale down after certain amount of mobs>?
sweet summit
10
novel ruin
And don’t be like me in 24 FH last week where I pressed shield block during last stand not just once but twice during initial hero pull and then had to kite for 20 seconds
left hatch
you must be excite for the bolster buff in SL xanthos (:
when doing that won't matter
modern brook
Imagine if we could dualwield shields; that wouldnt have been bad then xan
novel ruin
What’s bolster buff?
strong forum
It grants SB
left hatch
it functions 1:1 as SB
sweet summit
instead of it being a seperate buff its just SB
left hatch
so it won't overlap
strong forum
Instead of just raw block chance
novel ruin
YUSSSSS
sweet summit
modern brook
unsurprising
sweet summit
assassins creed?
left hatch
yeh
novel ruin
I just want a spear
still pagoda
apparenlty in the new AC game you can dual wield shileds
@left hatch
You can do this in PoE
for 5 years already
though this is utilized only by meme shield throw builds
novel ruin
Honestly, prob going bastion on both warrior and pally
still pagoda
and barely usable
left hatch
if we put aside the whole balancing and SB and conduits fiasco
Bastion looks fun as fuck for pally
aoe Avengers shield, yuss
novel ruin
Yeah divine toll is massive
sick sentinel
@novel ruin that's a common mistake I usually do, also pop Ignore Pain after popping Avatar like a retard..
sweet summit
thats fine lol
still pagoda
Bastion looks fun as fuck for pally
Just as it looks good for warr
left hatch
i mean thats fine
still pagoda
the only truly universal choice
left hatch
overcapping IP >>>>>>>>>>> overcapping rage
sweet summit
thats how you use IP, spend rage
left hatch
the only time i really consciously pool rage for an ip is....
ig if i don't have SR up for rixxa or something
or the bleed on rezan
shell valve
I've been thinking about switching from human to Dawrf or Dark Iron, will I notice much difference losing the secondary stats bonus humans get?
sweet summit
we dont talk about the cursed mobs
left hatch
the stat bonus' for races are a super super super negligable difference
novel ruin
Yeah rixxa or ml last boss or Rezan bleed
sweet summit
dorf is good for necro thats the only difference youll notice
left hatch
only racials that matter are utility ones like DWORF cleanse, shadowmeld and arcane torrent
modern brook
racials are pretty negligable and any loss of secondary will be made up the first time u dwarf out of the rezan bleed
shell valve
I like the look of the dark irons
strong forum
Did somebody mention race 
sweet summit
it is, but have you ever had 99 necro stacks and used dorf racial
thats epic as fuck
frosty wren
@novel ruin
strong forum
Dorf > all
sweet summit
normal dorf>red dorf
novel ruin
Dark iron is sweet
shell valve
Will dark irons racial clear it too? Necrotic that is.
modern brook
yes
novel ruin
Yeah
sweet summit
yes
shell valve
Cool
novel ruin
Dark iron better
modern brook
^
left hatch
lul
sweet summit
dorf doesnt clear rezan bleed, feelsbad
strong forum
Absorbs are reduced by necrotic
modern brook
it doesnt?
sweet summit
na
modern brook
dude alliance sucks
sweet summit
:(
left hatch
and the attacks are hitting you even with an absorb so you don't avoid stacks
sweet summit
ya
strong forum
No, rezan bleed is not to be gotten rid off
left hatch
only way to avoid stacks is dodge and parry
novel ruin
Rezan bleed is real
modern brook
U know what that means
strong forum
Can't parry / dodge it either
sweet summit
did someone say...
modern brook
its time to sheer
strong forum
Thunderfury, Blessed Blade of the Windseeker?
novel ruin
Idk how Nerf lives 28/29 Rezan
sweet summit
who is seeking the wind
shell valve
Dwarf racial will clear bursting too, won't it lol?
sweet summit
it will
strong forum
Just like you do on 25 Xan
shell valve
Good racial this week.
modern brook
battle rez as a cd :^)
novel ruin
Cry @strong forum
sick sentinel
@novel ruin idk how he can carry around the big balls he has cause of his pulls somtimes..
novel ruin
And beg for wings
sick sentinel
i used to raid like 6-7hrs 5 days a week in CATA/MOP
my balls are average then I guess
still pagoda
Good racial this week.
@shell valve
Rerolling just for one week? Pfff, that's one hell of a waste of money
still pagoda
^
still pagoda
especially if you're pugging M+
it will also make you into a totally toxic machine like me
sick sentinel
i havent had a team ever in m+
still pagoda
left hatch
i rerolled from hooman to Dwrof in s2 exclusively because of KR
sick sentinel
did some runs with guildys back in legion but that was it
left hatch
and didn't look back
sick sentinel
back in legion i played a warlock pushing 24-25s
still pagoda
i rerolled from hooman to Dwrof in s2 exclusively because of KR
That's because of one dung every week. That's not because of just one week
so good
:D
left hatch
yeh
well tbh the only other alliance racial worth a damn is shadowmeld... and only if everyone is nelf
so
still pagoda
i did roll from draenei to belf when going horde this May
left hatch
only other thing to do is roll a race for its looks
still pagoda
^
left hatch
which if you're not female draenai only other option is KT hooman
still my favorite race for BrM (:
that beer gut
still pagoda
which if you're not female draenai only other option is KT hooman
Well, i played exactly the space goatgirls
sick sentinel
i play orc...
still pagoda
sweet summit
belf is 😍
strong forum
So boring
strong forum
Coomer gang
sweet summit
cooming
still pagoda
JUST WEAR A FULL PLATE YOU BITCH
sick sentinel
does having several ineff increase its proc rate or nah?
cause my pally friend said so
sweet summit
nah
novel ruin
No
strong forum
No
sick sentinel
he said: imma have all my corrupts ineff cause it'll proc 9 times more often
and i was like.. OO
sweet summit
sick sentinel
on the avatar24/7 cloud
still pagoda
and i was like... This pala is a moronic colossus
sick sentinel
haha xd
still pagoda
sick sentinel
sometimes it feels like he is really wrong about everything he says
still pagoda
^
sick sentinel
imaginarycraft
still pagoda
Die Feelycrafting Die
sick sentinel
ait
still pagoda
sick sentinel
so now im at 2x12% vers and 2x R1 ineff + TD3
strong forum
I mean it does play a part in enjoyment, but don't go recommend feelycraft over math
sick sentinel
what else should i aim for?
still pagoda
this shit from few weeks ago
still pagoda
TDTDTD
sick sentinel
surging vitality?
strong forum
My haste TD set is TD5 + 2x IT1 + 1x Expedient 3
sick sentinel
usually just farm 17-19 atm
but i do wanna climb towards the 3.5k rio bracket
im at 2728 atm
still pagoda
usually just farm 17-19 atm
@sick sentinel
Drop vers then
strong forum
Ya you don't need vers for 3.5k
still pagoda
completely
sweet summit
more td pog
sick sentinel
damn, ya'll really in love with TD
shell valve
@still pagoda No, I've been playing human for so long it's boring. I only have one other rave and it's worgen, so I've been thinking about switching
strong forum
Well cuz it's better
left hatch
yikes worgen
still pagoda
yikes worgen [2]
strong forum
Stop stealing my corruptions Karton
sweet summit
furries 👉 🚪
still pagoda
@still pagoda No, I've been playing human for so long it's boring. I only have one other rave and it's worgen, so I've been thinking about switching
@shell valve
Just do female Draenei
left hatch
^
still pagoda
not furry, but not boring either
left hatch
best girl
sick sentinel
should've gone in here earlier then I spose, spent like 55k on alch to get vers trinket
left hatch
i mean... that alch trinket is gonna be BiS if you ever go to do like 25 keys
sick sentinel
I do have another ring with TD in ma bank
still pagoda
Vita+Scale and smash it
sick sentinel
scale?
still pagoda
also Goreblock for that fucked up week is good
left hatch
wrathion trinket
still pagoda
also got a 470 merektas?
sick sentinel
@still pagoda any good?
still pagoda
warrior i don't have the balls to do it
DK is the best to do fang as
@still pagoda any good?
@sick sentinel
Only for memes
novel ruin
Damage yeah
left hatch
i mean it pumps but its dangerous
novel ruin
But can’t defend while using it
left hatch
nope
novel ruin
No
sick sentinel
no?
sweet summit
nah
novel ruin
Unless doing 25s
novel ruin
^
novel ruin
What I use
still pagoda
this week is actually 50/50 for siege
sick sentinel
they way you guys crave haste I feel like im waaaay below the haste i should be at
still pagoda
so i may try doing it at last
novel ruin
It’s tyran so no
sweet summit
every week is 50/50
sick sentinel
this is my warrior right now
sweet summit
you either do it or you dont 🙂
left hatch
in 20's dw too much about "i need x amount of this stat"
sick sentinel
only changed thing is i have peerless trinket instead of vita equipped atm
left hatch
Ilvl>Haste>crit=versa
still pagoda
It’s tyran so no
@novel ruin
Yes in my case because i have only +17 of it
novel ruin
I only have 20 of it
left hatch
tho... id drop the versa gems and changts for haste
novel ruin
And at least 22s in everything else
left hatch
and versa nav is kinda inting
still pagoda
everything else is +20 and higher already except for TD and Siege
left hatch
Force Multi is the way to go
left hatch
my condolences
sick sentinel
could switch my 460 ring for a 475 with TD1
novel ruin
Good thing I already did a key this week
sweet summit
siege gang 
still pagoda
it's much easier on horde
sick sentinel
it'll get me lower haste tho
still pagoda
yet still somewhat bad
left hatch
rings are tricky, depends on the statline
still pagoda
left hatch
yeh it depends on what the 460 is
still pagoda
left hatch
ah haste verse socket...
thats already better than cosmic potential
socket is huge value on a ring
even if you cleanse the TD off the 460 thats a net gain
sick sentinel
so remove cosmic and use the TD ring?
left hatch
yeh
keep cosmic around till you can put a socket on it tho
eventually itll be better
but scokets are worth like 15-20 ilvls
sick sentinel
yeah ofc
left hatch
on a ring
sick sentinel
the 2nd ring with TD is the one with vers main mastery off
left hatch
id just save up and buy TD from vendor
sick sentinel
overseer's lost seal
left hatch
than run a mastery versa ring
novel ruin
Hoping for both 485 Nzoth trinket and wep tonight
sweet summit
i pray for u mate
left hatch
maybe not the best play but i refuse to use a ring that doesn't have haste on it
even if its outdated by 30 ilvls
sweet summit
i feel attacked :(
sweet summit
ouch
sick sentinel
23% with vita
strong forum
thats too low
sweet summit
thats low
shell valve
Is there a point where haste has DR or just keep stacking?
strong forum
keep stacking
left hatch
yeh you won't hit a soft cap
strong forum
166% is the softcap
left hatch
that being said, stacking 20 expedients is kinda overkill
even if you don't hit the softcap
sick sentinel
i feel like you guys want me to go quick navi, haste sockets/ring enchants and MAYBE even going for 2 expedient instead of having my 2 versa? o.o
left hatch
Force Multiplier
strong forum
na force mult
left hatch
and yes haste gems and chants
shell valve
I am trying to gain more verse, but I lose haste on 2 pieces to gain it right now because I don't have the right pieces of gear.
still pagoda
what range of keys you're doing tho?
novel ruin
We should create a copypasta
still pagoda
^
sick sentinel
17-19 atm
novel ruin
Then everyone link it
sick sentinel
tryna push above 20
still pagoda
@shell valve
what range of keys you're doing tho? [2]
shell valve
15-16
left hatch
lol
sweet summit
copy pasta for what
shell valve
All I've been able to complete.
still pagoda
all of it
strong forum
no vers, full haste
left hatch
Ilvl>Haste>crit>=versa
you're actively hurting yoruself trying to seek out versa like that
strong forum
ignore vers completely
sick sentinel
except not changing my 460 haste socket ring to the 475 TDr1 vers/mast ring, right?
and switch my 12% vers gear for the other setup and get 2x12% haste?
strong forum
stacking vers in situations where you dont need it only promotes bad play, and when you get into key ranges where you need to play your class correctly + stack vers, you will have to learn you class again
left hatch
from what you have equipped, the big changes id make is swapping Cosmic Potnetial to the socketed 460, changing up your trinkets,
strong forum
so instead of only equipping vers gear when do you hard content, you will have to do 2 things instead of 1
sick sentinel
i already have cosmic and the 460 ring equipped
left hatch
theres some traits that are gimped
Ablative shielding, basically worthless for us
pick heed or gutripper
doesn't really matter which, pick your poison
still pagoda
overwhelming
sweet summit
OP
left hatch
and you take Strenght in numbers a near worthless trait
still pagoda
always overwhelming
left hatch
over OP... which is bis
still pagoda
SiN is the worst inner ring trait in the game
sweet summit
sin because its a sin to pick it
never go out of your way to get more HP to buff TD
still pagoda
just thought more hp = more TD
@sick sentinel
HP traits are garbage
sweet summit
it is not worth it
still pagoda
just as HP essences
sweet summit
strenght/stats will do you better
left hatch
oh YIKES
sweet summit
even for damage
still pagoda
🚓
left hatch
having anima minor is worse than an empty slot
sweet summit
VoP major
sick sentinel
and then?
sweet summit
Lucid minor
sick sentinel
really?
still pagoda
something like this will do you a favor
left hatch
nah Lucid major really good if you know how to use it
Sphere if you dont need corruption resistance
Str of the warden if you do
sick sentinel
I don't have sphere on this acc sadly
sweet summit
rank 1 is enough
still pagoda
just R1
sick sentinel
so maybe conflict, lucid, vision minor
left hatch
but yah... if you take a hit that knocks you below the threshold you lose that bonus HP... and you have less HP than it gives, it taking away the HP damages you and can kill you lol
sick sentinel
nvm, vision major
left hatch
and then you die IRL in shame
sick sentinel
lucid, conflict strenght minor
left hatch
if you do'nt need corruption res than grab aegis over str
Str is a dead pick that you only take for the corruption
sick sentinel
ill go formless 3rd minor until i have sphere then i reckon
left hatch
yeh t hats an ok pick
but yeh VoP vs. lucid. VoP is better for newer players, pugging, or people that don't have established routes
but if you get used to pulling around it its much much stronger
and lines up with your dps' cds
sick sentinel
lucid major yeah?
left hatch
yes
sick sentinel
i kinda like if cause you can pretty much spam your IP during that time
left hatch
yeh thats why its strong, it lets you make spicier pulls and gives you a huge IP buffer and enough rage to give you 40-60s of avatar
sick sentinel
but then i guess formless->warden?
left hatch
depends on the group
if you have a healer (or anyone) running Breath of the dying major or CoF major
100% Formless
or if you ask dps nicely to stagger esence usage
if not str is better
sick sentinel
alright
now back to the question bout vers/haste amps
should i use my 2nd pair of gear for haste tehn?
then*
left hatch
versa amps are doing basically nothing for you rn
but doing 2 expedients is kinda overkill
left hatch
id grab other pieces and put TD on them for rn
sick sentinel
is TD up right now? o.o
left hatch
no idea, but wait around for it
and ig just keep using the versa amps till then
cause eventually theyll be useful
and hmm....
in most cases the 475 weapon is better
even w/o secondaries
but if you really wanna min max aoe damage than the 470 might have a slight edge
youd have to sim it tho
1-3 targets fusion hacker is much stronker tho
sick sentinel
now im at 26% haste unbuffed
28% with food buff and another socket added
still way to low i guess
left hatch
don't stress too much about it
its not gonna make or break runs for you
and just flip pieces out as you get higher ilvl or equivilant pieces with more haste
gear and statlines play a muich much smaller role in survivability than ppl think
most of its just playing gud
south holly
10% luck 20% skill
left hatch
15% transmog
left hatch
10000% corruption
icy harness
yep
shell valve
So if I have the 465 wep from AD haste verse and the heroic wep from carapace I should use the carapace wep?
sweet summit
since its higher ilvl, yes
charred ivy
if u guys never stop stack haste how much haste u guys at 😮
strong forum
max is like ~100% haste
icy harness
I have 63% with into the fray
strong forum
without procs
charred ivy
and what your other % at?
icy harness
1 sec
sweet summit
stat % are irrelevant
icy harness
load screen
left hatch
last i played my prot worrior it was sitting around 80-90% most of each raid fight
sweet summit
ilvl>haste>crit and you're 95% done with gearing
strong forum
👌
charred ivy
ik stat is irrelevant still fun to see what ppl got xD
icy harness
64% with into the fray + that 1 socket i put in
left hatch
ML about the best you can go out of your way for
sick sentinel
procced with socket, so not a 25k corrupt farm one
sweet summit
mythic ilgynoth
sick sentinel
im only 4/12M with a save on this week
damn bad pug, only killed wrathion
last week i pugged 4/12 atleast
i play DPS while raiding tho
left hatch
getting literally any other shield from M+ will be a slight sidegrade
but yeh... only options you got then are to pray to rngesus or pony up the gold for the boe
sick sentinel
actually got that boe 460 today
sold it for 130k
o.O
shitty corruption tho, mastery proc
main vault
good thing they can be replaced
strong forum
yo new to warri, which traits should i pick?
strong forum
but its greyed out? why is that
still pagoda
sweet summit
because you are not cool enough to play fury
strong forum
i am cool 😦
strong forum
i see
sweet summit
no
indigo sandal
sweet summit
BFA FURY 📈
strong forum
fury is big dumb
sweet summit
:(
still pagoda
main vault
I actually like BFA Fury and Arms
If I don’t end up maining a healer I’ll probably be War DPS for SL
sweet summit
still pagoda
mellow patio
My fav thing to do is to have a healer alt which I have no idea how to play and struggle through 15s with people
still pagoda
^
torpid flame
which of my trinkets should I use for tanking? I got the following:
460 Vita with socket & avoidance
465 Mchimba's ritual bandages
475 Rezan's gleaming eye
465 Jes howler
475 Wrathion trinket
sweet summit
vita+wrathion trinket
simple dune
@mellow patio that’s my kink
undone sun
simple dune
My 469 hpal is almost 3.5k io :p
torpid flame
@sweet summit cheers, are the mechagon set good for tanks? I got from behind + the haste proc
still pagoda
doesn't work
strong forum
it works if you stun 🙂
tawdry prawn
What’s better? I can replace the ineffable
tawdry prawn
I can replace that
sweet summit
dont
tawdry prawn
Haha I mean like put another ineffable on the other belt
tawdry prawn
So the haste mastery is better? Even if they both were to have ineffable?
Got some vers % too
spice yacht
what would you guys use instead of 1 hearth of darkness