you have 6 mobs total in those 2 packs
#protection
strong forum
novel ruin
^
CC Ravager, Stormcaller and Oarsmen
Bring in Buccaneer to bridge pack
Profit. Then do the same on the other pack
Get 9% in 15 seconds
worthy leaf
But on bolstering +22
novel ruin
Doesn’t matter
worthy leaf
How is that enough to solo
strong forum
painful motivation does % based dmg
icy harness
I tanked a 20
strong forum
like 5
icy harness
first ever 20
worthy leaf
What
icy harness
feelsgoodman
worthy leaf
But its 3% of their max hp
strong forum
not its not
novel ruin
It scales with key level
On a 0 it’s 3%
On a 22 it’s like 50% per tick
And it ticks three times
novel ruin
Np, GL in your adventures
Gratz @icy harness
@icy harness Start learning Lucid. Really good around the 20 or so range to start using
warm plinth
More control, basically makes you invincible during the duration, and gives you huge amounts of Avatar uptime for large packs
icy harness
can you explain why tho
novel ruin
Like how it works?
icy harness
yeah
grand drum
More rage=more cdr from anger management
novel ruin
Avatar > Lucid > Charge
icy harness
i press it, I get rage, I spam IP on globals and cdr
?
not all globals of course
free globals
warm plinth
You basically have IP active the entire 15 seconds, you're burning a ton of rage to get Avatar back very quickly
novel ruin
Spam IP since you are getting so much rage
novel ruin
Avatar gets 4 seconds off CD from anger management
warm plinth
Trust me it's fun as hell
novel ruin
Every IP cast
grand drum
Once you get used to it you dont go back to VoP
novel ruin
^
novel ruin
I don’t even want to learn Conflict Major lol
warm plinth
You don't play any specs/classes that use an active essence?
novel ruin
F is charge for me
tranquil sequoia
Hi guys I looked at pins and whatnot but couldn't find any, is there a resource or streamer I can look at to learn how prot warr play dungeons? Or it's fine using dratnos routes for em and learning in low keys like 13-15?
novel ruin
@tranquil sequoia What are you trying to improve at?
grand drum
dratnos' routes are usually catered to those types of levels
icy harness
i binded blood fury to last stand
tranquil sequoia
Not trolling a key by trying a pull I saw without the proper CD usage or so
tranquil sequoia
And pugs flame for everything
warm plinth
Ahhh
icy harness
bote is on 4, my avatar is on 4
tranquil sequoia
So it's kinda hard to learn by myself if I don't really know the right play in a particular moment
For example in arms spec I learned a lot from watching danwarr
novel ruin
@tranquil sequoia NA?
warm plinth
A lot of it is honestly just practice and learning what you can/cannot handle
tranquil sequoia
Aye
novel ruin
Worst dungeon?
novel ruin
If you want message me and we can go through various dungeons in discord and you can ask questions, I can show route, etc
tranquil sequoia
Oooh that'd be great I'll get on wow again tomorrow but can let u know which pulls I fucked up RN since it's fresh
Rip pride
novel ruin
Otherwise NerfTankTV has a YouTube and does some PUG keys every once In awhile he talks through
Watch him on Twitch, And Naowh
But realize they are doing world first keys so things are a bit different
tranquil sequoia
I watch naowh yeah but generally doing high key starts which I doubt I'll be able to pull off hahaha
I do pay attention to his CD usage in any given time
novel ruin
But feel free to PM with any questions as well about your recent run
oblique garnet
CD usage in keys also varies alot on gear by gear basis
Naowh and nerf both have full vers gears etc
So they dont necessarily have to use cds on each pull where someone who has td or not as much vers for example has to
tranquil sequoia
With the haste talent and arms gear I get 80% haste plus 10% vers from ring enchant unbuffed but that helps a ton with shield block
I think I should just stay around 14-15 to figure out which pulls are spiky
abstract nebula
Mythic Eternal Palace going on RIGHT NOW, need tanks, come get your mounts and essence, pst Hexley-Bleeding Hollow for the instant invite. Bring your alts idgaf!
main vault
This isn’t the place for that
obtuse yoke
im scared for next week, i need to buy 2x it1 and as much vers as i can
i only have 22k echoes
icy harness
i need to grind a shitton since I have 0 vers 3 lul
I need at least 2
so I can run TD3 + Vers 3x2 + Vers1x1 + IT2 at 38 (?)
with max cloak
@sweet summit i see u online boi 
warm plinth
Tomorrow yeah
main vault
They are needing leaden foot to 50% max
main vault
And nerfed split to 5 sec spawn time and only 2 sec disorient
obtuse yoke
i was going to grind a shit ton of visions today but now i'm going to wait
warm plinth
Like neither of them are shit anymore
Like the only mechanic you even need to care about leaden foot for is probably the spit from the wisdom miniboss, since you won't be fast enough to dodge it at 50%
grand drum
yea that disorient was overkill at 5 seconds or whatever it was before
warm plinth
It was 4 before, but 2 it won't even cause you to get sanity damage from burned bridge I don't think
Won't be long enough
loud shoal
man the problem with split is that it spawns too frequently not that other stuff
obtuse yoke
would you guys vers3 a 465 piece?
civic rover
depends on the slot
if it's something you can get off a mythic boss (assuming you have access to mythic raiding) i'd wait til you get a 475 piece
warm plinth
I think split was fine tbh. It was just the combination that was a bit much
obtuse yoke
gonna log out in my vers gear hopefully it updates
@civic rover is it worth it to vers3 a 475 piece if it doesn't have vers on it itself? like the boots off first 3
civic rover
it's probably fine to put vers on those
obtuse yoke
This is what i’m rocking as a potential build to throw vers on, i could swap feet for 475 raid ones
I have a 465 weapon with avoidance too
quaint gorge
hello can anyone tell me wht is speed taunt ?
undone sun
taunt that increases the movement speed of the enemy affects, monks default taunt does it
warm plinth
😢
wraith olive
Imagine if VoP procced last stand xD
quaint gorge
can a prot be a ble to achieve it?
warm plinth
Achieve speed taunting? Not anymore
We could do it in Legion with a talent
But it was removed in BFA
sick sentinel
no idea what speed taunting is
quaint gorge
kk thnx
coarse radish
main vault
@sick sentinel monk taunt makes the target run faster
warm plinth
Lies
main vault
I mean he said afterwards he still didn’t know lol
Provoke is the biggest nerf of SL so far
mellow patio
Wait did they remove speed taunt
undone sun
for warrior, yeah
mellow patio
Nah talkin about what nexii said did they remove it for monk in SL
warm plinth
They got clash back
sick sentinel
I don't really understand how it is helpful when mob moves faster at you beside say kite raid boss
main vault
well thats kinda the point, raid bosses
It helps in dungeons as well for quicker placement
shell bough
speed taunt is huge for everything
warm plinth
It gets them in range of additional threat faster too, even in a dungeon situation
warm plinth
I don't think it'll break the spec or anything (especially since they'll have clash which is the same thing albeit in a different way) but it does hurt
Clash requires more pre-planning
main vault
yeah being able to speed taunt and them be in range a full global earlier for Keg Smash is big too
sick sentinel
Still prefer warrior and not buff enemy lol
main vault
Its not necessarily a buff to the enemy though
warm plinth
Well it's only for the duration of the taunt
warm plinth
Like, ideally you don't kite unless you have threat, so you should never need to taunt while you're trying to run away
main vault
and put them where you need them faster
undone sun
it's rarely a disadvantage for the player
icy harness
Try this scenario
You're kiting a pack, they are super bolstered
Someone steals aggro and you taunt it
It MACH 3s to you
Kills you
warm plinth
I would hope no one is stealing threat from you at the same time as mobs are bolstering
Since that means you weren't very far ahead
main vault
If people are stealing that late you deserved to die tbf
icy harness
I meant kiting as in "running the fuck away and not attacking"
warm plinth
Yeah but
sick sentinel
I already timed 2 15s this week so I had enough of the old super bolstered to hell
warm plinth
If mobs are bolstering, that means you were fighting them til they were dying
warm plinth
Which means you had all that time to generate enough threat to keep aggro while you kited the last few seconds
So no one should be peeling from you at that point
undone sun
🙂
icy harness
sick sentinel
I just solved bolster by not pulling more than 4 dudes at a time
main vault
That’s boring
sick sentinel
Can't bolster everyone 10 times if they not aggro
sick sentinel
I met some people who think that bolstering involves giving all stacks on mob to not dead one
Like if you have 5 bolster witch waycrest it will bolster lord waycrest 5 times
warm plinth
That would be fucking awful
main vault
Bolstering is probably the only affix that gets easier that higher you go too
15 bolstering is harder than 22+
icy harness
Bursting?
Oh
I read it the opposite way
Wait no I didn't
Bursting hits way harder on lower keys
main vault
Bursting is % based
icy harness
Yeah
main vault
It’s the same in any key
warm plinth
It doesn't hit harder; it's just harder to manage the stacks on lower keys because things fall over.
main vault
Bolstering is the same
warm plinth
Bolstering ideally does nothing/almost nothing as long as you manage it properly
main vault
More hp to mobs = less chance of having one get huge
warm plinth
If you kill mobs evenly, at worst you have a few mobs with a few stacks for a few seconds
main vault
Yeah
icy harness
But also
icy harness
Mobs more health = more of a difference between the small ones and the big ones
warm plinth
You can also control it a lot of the time as the tank by pulling similar HP mobs together and different HP mobs apart (when possible)
warm plinth
Yeah but for bursting especially you can just stop damage for a couple seconds to let stacks drop before you finish off the high HP ones
main vault
So it’s easier to swap to bigger ones to keep them even
warm plinth
If needed
sick sentinel
This will seem dumb but the first room in underrot is the idiot test.
If you got any wipes or pull wrong things group tends to go to crap fast
warm plinth
Underrot is actually one of the easiest bolstering dungeons as long as you don't accidentally pull things
icy harness
You said bolstering was the only one
warm plinth
There are only like two mobs in the entire dungeon that has different HP than the others
main vault
I said probably but sure
icy harness
And I proved the opposite
main vault
ok
main vault
Im not
sick sentinel
The 2nd boss room trash always gives groups trouble
main vault
Underrot is always dreadful in pugs
icy harness
Pugs are not fun.
Lol
I've had a healer pull the flying leech thing
From next to the skeletons
That doesn't give %
icy harness
Do they?
main vault
everything gives %
grand drum
they give 4 count i think
icy harness
Do they exist on MDT?
grand drum
yes
warm plinth
I believe so
icy harness
Oh wow
sick sentinel
I saw it listed as undersuck once someone called it undercuck and it stuck
grand drum
a whole swarm of them on the top of the map
main vault
yeah they are shown as one group
icy harness
Underrot is pog
main vault
I hate UR more than TD
icy harness
I don't hate tol tho
grand drum
i failed a UR 22 by 1 second yesterday
warm plinth
I like UR. 2nd boss is kinda horrible on tyrannical but meh
main vault
icy harness
Make a route killing those
warm plinth
Tol Dagor is a key that my group likes to surprise ourselves with. We'll go in with every intention of failing the timer and then we'll time it lol
Hard pass
main vault
I will leave a group mid key if someone pulled those
icy harness
Honestly my worst 3 keys are Shrine, Siege and Temple of Seth
main vault
temple is my best lol
icy harness
Honorable mentions: Kings rest and Workshop
warm plinth
Motherlode is our best
icy harness
Not in terms of score, but opinion
sick sentinel
Siege is easy
warm plinth
Siege is easy but very easy to die if you screw up.
Last boss is awful on tyrannical too
sick sentinel
Only horse man charge and poison stack to worry about in there
sick sentinel
Who plays alliance tho
main vault
I wanna level an ally War
main vault
they must not CC mob
icy harness
For some reason, my healer pugs miraculously die on the first boss
main vault
And let them freecast
icy harness
Nah, not that
warm plinth
warm plinth
Chain goes on ranged, not necessarily the healer
icy harness
And then they die
icy harness
Our og group has no range other than the healer kek
warm plinth
What spec is your healer?
icy harness
We're forced to run 2 rogues
sick sentinel
If tank don't gyro adds can be sighted
icy harness
Resto shaman
warm plinth
Oh...
sick sentinel
Aggro
icy harness
Or holy pal
warm plinth
idk how good they are for it
main vault
Pally is melee
warm plinth
Pretty sure priest can get out with feather and that's not even as much movespeed iirc
warm plinth
Oh I guess feather is 40% so it's the same
main vault
DPS War
outer dew
It's time for me to consider what to roll
main vault
!!!!
warm plinth
I would probably run spirit wolf for that dungeon if it were me
And pop it pre-emptively
To get the extra 20% movespeed
outer dew
Because it looks like SL gonna not be alt friendly
main vault
SL is starting to look bad
warm plinth
Yeah, relics and netherlight crucible coming back, fuck that
icy harness
Can someone do a rundown of why it's not alt friendly
outer dew
I'll probably play just because of quareantine
icy harness
I didn't really understand the picture
outer dew
Lmao
icy harness
Of the 12 dks
warm plinth
I'm just gonna go in with a 1 toon mentality unless they pleasantly surprise me
But it looks like everything is gonna be very unfriendly to alts
warm plinth
I may be tanking in SL; depends what my tank decides to play
icy harness
I hope they don't fuck it up
undone sun
that clip of ion talking wasn't just alt unfriendly, it was dual spec unfriendly
main vault
WoD would be last
warm plinth
Yeah
undone sun
legion had overlapping legendaries at least
grand drum
imagine getting prydaz as your first leggo at the start
main vault
my first was sephuz
undone sun
it was my warriors first 🙂
main vault
big sad
undone sun
tanking EN with prydaz was ass
outer dew
Called it a day
grand drum
i also got the havoc dh chest first on my dh. such bad luck
main vault
big meme
warm plinth
For TW
main vault
yeah it can be
warm plinth
But still thought it was funny
warm plinth
It's 2% haste flat, and then 25% haste if you interrupt/cc an enemy
You're thinking of the netherlight ring I think
main vault
preolly
warm plinth
Oh well, legion legos won't work in SL anyway, feelsbad
solid coral
top 5 tanking trinkets?
warm plinth
Vita, Dragonscale, LPS (for high keys if you need a defensive one), Rezan's, Butcher Block
Not really in that order
But Vita is the best one
toxic remnant
I've been using a 475 Merektha's Fang and I find it pretty baller... you guys think it's not good?
solid coral
only planning on doing like 15-19 ish keys, more liekly 15-17 with friends. got a TD on my shield, thinking of going expedient, and maybe a IT or two. is haste acceptable insead of verse? like 1 td, 2 haste and then 1 IT when i can afford it
warm plinth
It's not that it isn't good @toxic remnant; it's that you can't block/dodge/parry during the channel, so it can be a bit sketchy to use.
In higher keys, you could die in the time it takes to channel
If you're doing 15-19 you just want a couple of IT1s and then stack TD
Don't need expedient or versatile
toxic remnant
So if I pop a Shield Block before using it does nothing? Daaamn I need to pay closer attention.
warm plinth
Correct, you would still not block anything
However if you have high haste and you do like a shockwave and then channel it, it can work out
Assuming all the mobs are stunnable
warm plinth
Well if you're gonna Shockwave you can hold off on the Shield Block til after the trinket and save a couple seconds on the CD
toxic remnant
Yeah I guess I'll have to change that habit, thanks for the help.
knotty fiber
What's the ideal azerite setup for prot? Is it 3x bastion of might 1x crash 2x hod?
civic rover
you'll take a shit load of damage in shrine if people aren't interrupting casts
main shoal
well that happens too
knotty fiber
i always yell at my dps more
is there a specific part of shrine you notice the trouble in?
the third boss is usually a bitch
knotty fiber
yeah, all you can do personally is spell reflect and interrupt and get other people to interrupt
main shoal
at least on bolstering we couldnt kill him and i called it a wipe
knotty fiber
you shouldn't be pulling runecarver, that guy should get skipped
civic rover
if you look at the dratnos weekly routes any week thats not teeming he skips all the miniboss mobs
civic rover
i can PM you it if you want
knotty fiber
yeah shrine will fuck you if you try to wing it
placid oar
hi guys, is the website wipefest.gg actually good to learn and take pointers from? I somehow feel skeptical about the site and my first time looking at it. Hoping to understand it better from you guys. Cheers
knotty fiber
it's a site best used to help you identify points your raid team could improve on
I use it a lot with my team that's on m nzoth
lets me know who to yell at for standing in viscera, or add explosions, etc
main vault
That site is bis for prog
main shoal
Gonna check route next time then
placid oar
oh okok, thank you. So basically if my score is below 50 means i am doing very badly?
knotty fiber
that's not really what I'd use the site for, but yes it generally points to the fact that you could be working on some mechanics
about to do a key but I can go into what I look at on that site in a bit
steep bone
doesn't wowanalyzer do the same and better?
knotty fiber
no, wowanalyzer is for an entirely different purpose
wowanalyzer looks at your performance and what you can do better
main shoal
Also for 15s im using vop, sotw, cns and lucid
knotty fiber
wipefest tells you what mechanics you failed
main shoal
is that fine or should i run aegis
main vault
Wipefest is wowanalyzer for mechanics and survival
clever ferry
What are the corruptions and stats i should aim for if i’m doing 14 keys (non 15s)
grand drum
twilight dev
knotty fiber
haste/vers
grand drum
and haste
main vault
Just curious why 14 and not 15
placid oar
ah i see, thank you @knotty fiber
knotty fiber
npnp
clever ferry
I never tanked in bfa, i think 15 will be much harder than a 14
Should i forget about crit?
Only haste/versa
What corruptions should i for, haste or versa? Other than TD
And should i get an innefable or two?
main vault
There is no difference between a 14 and 15 besides the multiplier
sonic saddle
out of curiousity, shield block works with necrotic damage right
and 2 IT1 vs 1 IT1. Is it needed?
undone sun
it only works to the melees that applied necrotic
sweet summit
You still get necrotic stacks and take damage from the bleed
sonic saddle
@undone sun could you please elaborate? I thought only melee applied necrotic.
sweet summit
Parry/dodge makes you not gain a stack
sonic saddle
@sweet summit but the DR from block works right?
undone sun
necrotic still ticks physical damage, doesn't work there
it's not working on necrotic specifically
it just works on the melees, like normal
sonic saddle
gotchu
sick sentinel
Question for all the pro protectors: Would you accept if the specialization is renamed to Vanguard?
warm plinth
It doesn't matter to me what the spec is called.
warm plinth
Though Vanguard doesn't really make sense. Vanguard is like the front line of a military force, not an individual person
hallow phoenix
Mr. Sword 'n Board
hallow phoenix
that a good amount of leech
limpid pawn
yeah i have it on 4 pieces
green laurel
First for me last night, got to the start of the dungeon.
Did a ready check. Got removed from group. When questioned, "TD is a noob spec, You should be full.vers"
This was for a lvl 20 key. The toxicity levels are insane!
hallow phoenix
undone sun
🙂
hallow phoenix
pretty sure they do it for the damage
considering most of the time their dps are hunters
and mdi is all about speed
distant crystal
O_o
distant crystal
the wild thing is that even with it splitting it was beating td in aoe
when td didn't split
lol
before it got fucking piledrived
hallow phoenix
they overnerfed EV 😦
distant crystal
yeah it's literally unusuable now
knotty fiber
I wish I had TD or vers on my baby warrior
altho comparing the dps between my warr with bad gear and bad corruption it still outdpses my druid with great gear and great corruption when TD doesn't proc
- on trash pulls, not st
knotty fiber
yeah, but without procs my warr is outdpsing my druid
avatar is also a way more fun cd to have proc than incarn
distant crystal
idk man mangling 3 targets
sweet summit
Thrash spamming>pressing tclap a bit more often
hallow phoenix
member shield slam spam?
arctic python
Does anyone have time to give me some pointers on affixes, essences and corruption? Looking to start pushing 20’s. https://raider.io/characters/eu/ravencrest/Pepperkeanen
knotty fiber
the rotation and buffs you have to keep up is more dynamic and interesting than trash spam into ironfur 😛
sweet summit
Doesnt have to be interesting for it to be fun 
@arctic python severe isnt doing much other than giving you a bit more dps. You could start playing with lucid major too
arctic python
Lucid to spam IP when High damage? I thought u Only used that for Zul in KR?
sweet summit
I use it pretty much everywhere unless i want to fuck around
arctic python
Alright so for example before a Big pull u pop it to be able to withstand the initial damage?
When do you go for the CnF major?
sweet summit
CnS or CoF
arctic python
CnS sorry
sweet summit
Yes ideally you pull big when lucid is off cd
I run it in underrot, for swarmers. Junkyard, for jumpers/blasters/slimes. And sometimes in atal
arctic python
Noted, appreciate it
hallow phoenix
cns vs lucid is mostly a matter of feelcraft / preference. Also cns is only worth if you have ample vers% corruptions
sweet summit
I have too many vers amps
hallow phoenix
both are very good in higher keys
arctic python
Yeah illl get vers amps this next rotation - heard it makes higher keys a bit easier when just getting started
hallow phoenix
But for example KR I always run Lucid
sweet summit
Same
hallow phoenix
UR, TD, Siege I prefer to run CnS
sweet summit
Oh yeah siege too
hallow phoenix
But usually I'm stuck running lucid so my healer can steal it when he's greedy for mana
sweet summit
Whats up with CnS in TD btw?
hallow phoenix
I like it there cause mobs like to flee
and me no like that
also makes the beach pull a breeze
arctic python
Do you pull entire beach at once?
hallow phoenix
depends on week
sweet summit
Not on bolstering
arctic python
Gues next week u can’t either
sweet summit
But usualy yeah, with two turtles
arctic python
Necro is rough ?
sweet summit
You are not in melee
hallow phoenix
totally can on necro
sweet summit
If you walk into melee you die 😂
arctic python
I just reset around 30 right?
sweet summit
Depends on a lot of things
depends on your HP, the mobs' HP, cooldowns available, healer externals/mana, dps lads, want to chain packs? any hard hitting abilities incomming? etc
Good copypasta
obtuse yoke
tanked a 22 UR and shit felt easy
sweet summit
Pog
distant crystal
aww ye bursting necrotic
arctic python
Those good affixes for pushing ?
sweet summit
Yeah
Tyrannical blows tho. Not a big fan
Any other dungeons than ML thats "easier" on tyrann btw?
Freehold doesnt have eudora so maybe?
sweet summit
Can game intercept no?
hallow phoenix
I believe his shots are instant when he's mounted
and im not sure if they can be intercepted
hallow phoenix
definitely wouldnt call it easier than fort though
sweet summit
Fair
strong forum
WCM has alot of magic dmg, but also a ton that you can reflect
What exactly is hurting you
hallow phoenix
Probably the usual suspects
Captains and guards, maggots, matrons, witches are all mean
sonic saddle
Any information on using 2 IT1 instead of just 1?
sonic saddle
I can when I am using lucid major but not otherwise
hallow phoenix
Right with lucid you can get three if you get a well timed proc
sonic saddle
neat
ty
I was thinking of investing in additional it1 at reset and start saving up for vers 3
hallow phoenix
I'm a big fan of IT2
sonic saddle
IT2 or two IT1?
hallow phoenix
Two rank 1s, sorry
sonic saddle
ok
obtuse yoke
i'll link log after this @strong forum
this key went from "we're doing well" to 36 death shitshow real fast
hallow phoenix
One of the pulls in wcm we did this week took almost every defensive we had
Pulled a few too many maggots
It's becoming one of my least favorite dungeons lol
strong forum
You only used Lucid once?
obtuse yoke
3 deaths were to a bolstered matron, that was probably not meant to happen
strong forum
You got hit by matron a couple times without block up
obtuse yoke
i was not running lucid major
obtuse yoke
vop major ward/lucid/cns minors
obtuse yoke
no, in logs you have to mouse over active to see DPS that you'd see in details
how do you see deaths when shield block is not up specifically?
strong forum
I was just checking individual death logs of yours, dunno if you can filter that way
To tree boss you died without block up, then in the corridor you also didn't have block up and you got hit by retch, which is magical but can also just be sidestepped
strong forum
You let a soul volley go through around 3rd boss, which is a ton of group dmg and your healer also didn't heal you for like 4+ sec
obtuse yoke
yeah that whole 3rd boss room i think was a shit show
someone body pulled the whole room like twice
strong forum
I mean you can easily do that room in 1 pull if you have enough dps and interrupt the soul chamberer
obtuse yoke
yeah but on bolstering fortified i didn't want to risk it
strong forum
But yeah the soul chamberer got buffed and bolstered
And just slapped you outta life real quick
obtuse yoke
💀 💀 💀
sweet summit
Marked sisters should be illegal
strong forum
And leapy Bois are Hella scary
obtuse yoke
i hate leapy bois
strong forum
You need somebody to bug them out by standing on the ledge in the far room, or ontop of a rock, so they don't jump
The shadow claw you can reflect but its tons of magic dmg and alot of casts
Be ready to use all your CDs when they get low / cast their claws at the same time
Easily the most scary pull in the dungeon
sweet summit
Can do the same thing with gorgers in the hallway, by having someone stand on the fountain outside
Or on the desk or whatever its called inside
strong forum
Ye I saw that
Basically, anywhere you need to jump up to get to, will force the leapers to stop leaping
Cuz they always wanna leap the furthest target, if they can't get to it they don't cast it at all
That way you can avoid your group getting booty blasted from otherwise unavoidable dmg
sweet summit
Yep
sweet summit
Can kinda do the same thing on cragmaw too 👀
strong forum
He doesn't charge or what?
brittle owl
think he meant the fuck you spiders
sweet summit
If he targets the player thats on a snapspot the charge doesnt move him
Huh no cragmaw
brittle owl
👀
sweet summit
The boss
strong forum
sweet summit
Ya its kinda cool
strong forum
So he just shits himself
rigid sinew
he just kinda goes “hurr i no charge”
sweet summit
No he does not poop
rigid sinew
cancels the charge mechanic completely
sweet summit
Yeap
frosty wren
How do I have to face KUJO so my dps are still able to damage him?
frosty wren
Have they changed his hitbox, he moving like shit sometimes 😑
sweet summit
No hes just a dumb dog
warm plinth
Basically make sure more than half his body from nose to tail is visible on the long edge of the box. It’s more lenient than you might think. Having a WA that tells you when you’re hiding is very useful.
frosty wren
Got this wa, but some randomes at 20+ haven’t heared about it so far I guess
gentle ore
So in totally new to retail overall and even more so to warrior/tankning, so might be a dumb question. But whats the addon Called where the nameplates on mobs turn green when u have aggro on them and red when u Lose it?
warm plinth
Most nameplate addons do that. Threatplates, plater, elvui
gentle ore
Thank u
junior pebble
What the pmm of rezans?
sweet summit
1
obtuse yoke
@strong forum thanks for the tips i'll keep practicing
orchid frigate
did my first +20!
was a messy run
hopefully it will be a bit easier to get into other 20's. was pretty hard to get a group for this one
i mean now that i've done one
stiff oracle
strong forum
thats a bug
fathom nymph
Guys, I still don't have my Conflict & Strife rank 3, will only get it next week. Is it worth running rank 2 as major this week because of necrotic in mythic+ anyways?
sweet summit
Major no
spice pivot
Anything worth getting from the vendor in 4hrs for Prot?
orchid frigate
if i go with a mixed versa/TD set, should i still gem for haste?
teal anchor
hey guys, what essence do you run for >20+ keys?
orchid frigate
theres a good guide pinned about that @teal anchor
teal anchor
yea i'm reading it rn
orchid frigate
👍
solar crown
Probably a dumb question but ive read multiple guides without getting a good answer:
Last stand/bolster is supposed to be used as 'an additional shield block'? So if i facetank adds constantly i should be using SB -> SB -> LS -> SB -> SB?
Do you just kite the x seconds untill sb is up again?
ionic fern
You also have Shield Wall,Demo Shout,Healer external to fill gaps. In general kiting is a option as well yes but it very much depends on the pull size/damage type of the enemies etc.
So you wanna do 3xSB into LS into more SB's.
By that time the enemies should be dead in most key levels tho.
solar crown
Ok, thanks :) there is a small window between 2nd and 3rd sb, but i guess having 100% uptime is not possible (?(
To phrase it differently: is it possible to have 100% uptime on sb?
ionic fern
No.
Unless the fight is really-really short.
You should look at your effective SB uptime rather than overall uptime.
solar crown
Ok, thank you! That explains a lot
real fossil
Damage wise, how does haste and vers compare?
I have mostly haste/crit gear for max dmg and probably need to drop some haste for vers eventually
arctic python
Haste outperforms vers for damage by large
You stack haste to avoid one shot mechanics on higher keys around 22+
Stack vers**
halcyon coyote
@solar crown that small window between 2nd and 3rd sb can be fixed with more haste
tranquil sequoia
halcyon coyote
https://wago.io/lmigMhap1 i made this WA that plays a sound when your SB spell cd is longer than your current SB aura
so you know beforehand that you'll have downtime
still pagoda
@sick sentinel nah
It's totally fine
If you have a gap, CC is always one of the options
verbal rapids
Building a tank set..... whats the best corruption? 5xExpedient 2xVersatile?
still pagoda
@verbal rapids TD
Experient is a good filler but unnecessary
Ineffable Truth 1 is better then Exp3 by mile
Not necessary too
But 2 of it is the best buy tomorrow
verbal rapids
So what is the ideal corruption combo then?
still pagoda
So what is the ideal corruption combo then?
Depends what keys you do
I personally use TD5+2xIT1 in everything below +22-23 depending on the week
verbal rapids
so are you mostly haste then?
verbal rapids
i am, thanks
still pagoda
Haste is our best stat
verbal rapids
just going through my gear, i have a full set of haste/vert gear
why i thought go that route
still pagoda
Leave it for later if you're going to push higher
Ilvl > Haste > Crit >= Vers > mastery
still pagoda
The only places where ilvl over all doesn't apply are rings and trinkets
verbal rapids
blissful falcon
mmh, I did 120 2 weeks ago, and I'm at 2k too now,
I'm going to start pushing for 3k tomorrow, maybe an other 2weeks for it?
blissful falcon
yea only pug for me, my guild are 1k median ^^'
still pagoda
It took me 2 weeks to get to 2k from zero after not playing for 10 months
And then more then a month to 3k
blissful falcon
ok im new warrior player but i love it, pushing r.io with hunter is so easy lol, but with tank, all pug team take me in 1 minutes XD
so I think it's even easier, XD
raven thistle
What vers % minimum is needed for keys level 20?
brittle owl
0
verbal rapids
raven thistle
So I can tank it on my fresh warrior np?
still pagoda
What vers % minimum is needed for keys level 20?
@raven thistle
Zero
verbal rapids
they running all vers
still pagoda
you can't
verbal rapids
so how zero? trying to understand
still pagoda
they running all vers
@verbal rapids
Because they are doing pulls that are beyond your typical keys
brittle owl
So I can tank it on my fresh warrior np?
@raven thistle yes, if you know how to play
still pagoda
^
brittle owl
if you fail it's all on you/your group
brittle owl
at 470 ilvl you're completely fine gear wise
still pagoda
if you know what you do
clever ferry
So best corruptions for keys that ranges between 10-15 are TD and 2xr1 IT?
clever ferry
Atm my cloak has 59 resist so i can handle a TD3 and 2 IT i think
But generally 2xIT and rest TD as much as i can have?
No stat% corr?
And what’s a good haste % should i aim for?
I think i’m at 34% with my current gear
charred ivy
So haste in sockets also then?
sweet summit
Yes sir
clever ferry
Okay, as for essences, what’s the major? And what are the minors?
Breath and CnS as minor, what else?
I checked the pins though, didn’t find an answer
sweet summit
VoP major
CnS, Lucid, sphere/aegis/warden minors
lilac cosmos
if no vers amps should I go full haste enchants/gems?
dusk axle
I have a 400 belt with TD on it and it accounts for like 25% of my dps at mythic 7. I have a 435 belt to replace it but I feel it isn’t worth it to lose that dps. Any advice?
sick sentinel
Any idea if there is a list where to use spell reflect on?
brisk ferry
the list is in the #268491842637660160
prime rivet
Is it better to keep IT1 x2 with 7x vers amps for higher keys or should I ever consider going 8x-9x vers amps as resist gets higher?
modern brook
I could see dropping to it1x1 for another verse amp
But im p sure at that point the proc'd /on hit verse would give more verse
raven knoll
is force multipler better then the haste enchant on weapon?
modern brook
yeah
although i think the verse stacking build uses the verse enchant?
but the regular build wants fore multi cause its more stats thanks to the str
(as i understand it)
strong forum
High uptime, no rng
However im equally surprised that you're not running force mult with vers stacking
raven knoll
thanks!
modern brook
I could be wrong
strong forum
No you're not
modern brook
I just assumed you took that for the fatter verse procs
strong forum
Ye, but it's only like 6sec of 1.2k vers
modern brook
sine the whole point of verse stacking is "grease gun kills me in one shot otherwise"
main vault
Who says it procs during anything
strong forum
Exactly like... I feel like force mult should actually be the go to too
sweet summit
Force muldi dorsnt give vers
strong forum
Really now
sweet summit
Stroke sry
strong forum
Well that explains it :naruhodo:
sweet summit
Yep
modern brook
yeah
strong forum
Haven't looked at the tooltip in like 3 decades
sweet summit
Dam ur old
modern brook
my 🐒 🧠 simplified it to "mainstat + highest 2ndary"
sweet summit
Impressive
strong forum
Speedrunner at heart
modern brook
T-T
main vault
Mfw 3 decades ago I would still be in positive age
sweet summit
boomer chat
modern brook
Nexii looking at that next-y life already
sweet summit
LMFAO
strong forum
Ya nexii is real grandpa along with @distant crystal
sweet summit
can we ban all boomers
strong forum
Boomers are the ones with the knowledge
main vault
Just remember who is the reason you have all the game knowledge you do
Back in my day we didn’t have raidbots and etc
🧓
Lol
sweet summit
ouch
sweet summit
i didnt have damage meters when i started playing on a TBC pserver
i still have no idea what im doing
strong forum
That too ya
sweet summit
😂
main vault
And back in my day Warcraft wasn’t an mmo
sweet summit
its an RPG
main vault
With all these dang fancy graphics
And your dual monitors
Kids these days will never know the struggle of a crt monitor
strong forum
:arthur_fist:
modern brook
smh
strong forum
Playing with 10fps, having infinite loading screens
still pagoda
strange tide
Having to quickly alt+tab to porn so my mum didn’t catch me playing WoW
sweet summit
mood
scarlet copper
does Nerfclap not stream anymore? I always see his team streaming, and he's the tank, but I don't see his stream
novel ruin
@scarlet copper He just had a baby a couple weeks ago so he is taking a break from streaming since every couple of hours they have to take breaks from pushing so he can do baby stuff
sick sentinel
what box shield is bis for m+ or weapon
sweet summit
ML shield
sick sentinel
enforcer?
sick sentinel
the big door shield
sweet summit
sudden snow
sup fellow valarjar, anyone knows anithing bout the beta?
sweet summit
#698541559049748520 maybe
sudden snow
gotcha, ya it seems alpha'ers dont have beta yet... so it might be later on torugh the week
winter plume
So I got gloves which are a good upgrade statistically but comes with infinite stars @ 50 correuption. Should I cleanse that?
sweet summit
yep
winter plume
I didn't think I needed Infinite Stars as prot so not a loss really. Thanks!
craggy kestrel
Good trinket?
sweet summit
decent on ST actually
craggy kestrel
U know... SimC is kinda busy
sweet summit
dont do hac
craggy kestrel
Think I'll keep these for M+
sweet summit
barnacle might actually be better than a 445 jar
sick sentinel
dude streamed him self wiping on bug boss for like, 45 minutes
left hatch
in ST barnacle probs better
chilly brook
Weak
craggy kestrel
left hatch
outside of lucky spreads
sweet summit
phial 
craggy kestrel
I mean... Could be better
left hatch
tbf you shouldn't use bloodmallet as a be all end all
it uses a default template thats highly geared for ST
and results will vary based on your gear
so its more of a guideline
than anything concrete
chilly brook
It's not like you dont have time to waste anyways
left hatch
not as accurate
craggy kestrel
What should I use to sim better for M+ in general?
sweet summit
i pay because raidbots own
left hatch
3 Patchwerk sims
1-t 3m w/lust
3-t 1.5m no lust
5-t 1.5m no lust
sweet summit
not because i cant wait
left hatch
change your targets to match your usual cleave/aoe pulls
i use my friends premium raidbot
because im a cheap fuck with nice frands
sweet summit
left hatch
and simming corruption pre-vendor w/o premium omegalul
chilly brook
Tbh the only reason I'd pay is to do crazy drop optimizer sims
left hatch
honestly i tried droptimizer once and was disapointed
it gave me some really wonky results
sweet summit
id just take the simc program if i wanted to do giga sims
left hatch
yah.... i havn't used droptimizer since
i manually input them into my simc string if i think it might be an upgrade now
takes all of an extra 20s
umbral ibex
Hey guys. If im looking to push and just started playing prot, ive tanked 18s 19s easily. Should i got vers>haste with vers amps or get td. Im leanimg towarda vers just to play safe and live. Thoughts though ?