Cant time every key i do
#protection
onyx vessel
Look at the top key pushers they fail keys all the time
ionic fern
I can heal you on my druid,don't worry.
sand relic
what pieces is best to try n get from vendor ? cause i have 8k residum and both my helm and chest are 450
onyx vessel
Helm
sweet summit
Poggers
orchid frigate
onyx vessel
Sounds like every pug
orchid frigate
mhm
manic vapor
new prot warrior here. for dungeons would you go for best traits and heroic pieces or mythic pieces with non ideal traits?
onyx vessel
3 bastion of might 1 deafening crash
From raid vex chest nzoth helm shoulders off skitra
manic vapor
ok. and replace those with lucky residuum rolls, since I do not have access to mythic raid loot
abstract turtle
You can pug M Skitra for the shoulders. I tried to roll chest once for luck before giving up and saving the 20k for Mecha chest
modern brook
The only trait you drop lvl for is tclap
Your goal is as above
Until you get there prioritize 1tc, any bom, the shield slam one and iron wall, especially if ur shield is low, then big stat routers like hod and clockwork heart
manic vapor
thx for your advice guys
modern brook
The remaining class traits are something close to like generic stat boosts>cr>bloodspoort=damage procs that arent dagger in the bac
Tbh if ur looking this far down the priority just get better loot
sand relic
so i should buy helm from vendor first
does vendor have good helm options
or is raid much better
i dont raid much on this toon
orchid frigate
am i the only one who thinks the new "stock" elvui layout looks sucks? https://www.tukui.org/images/screenshots/NewLayout_ClassicTheme_TankDPS.jpg
sweet summit
Holy shit it burns
strong forum
thats stock ui?
orchid frigate
yupp
strong forum
with the bars in the middle?
orchid frigate
action bars made bigger
strong forum
i appreciate that theyre in between the HP bars now
its more common these days i feel like, so it makes sense to have it default to that
+1 from me
strong forum
that i believe is just so it aligns with the chat(s) rather than being on the more practical height
sweet summit
Ah yeah
strong forum
which would then align with nothing
its a step in the right direction
its cleaner than 90% of UIs out there, so yeah
better than making your own horror themepark
sweet summit
I like my themepark tho
orchid frigate
share plx
wonder if i should try out elvui nameplates again
gonna rebuild my ui once pre-patch hits
sweet summit
Kinda old made some changes since then. But mostly the same
orchid frigate
looks very nice
sweet summit
Thank you
lapis tapir
So i am working on my io. I have a 20 jy. I am not very good at putting groups together. Anyone have any tips or insight on how to improve the quality of people to do keys with?
sweet summit
Add people you like after a key
Make friends
Not much to it, there isnt a magic button to press
lapis tapir
being newer to 20+s, that has been my only solution to that. Also trying to learn to improve routes and get better for the group/s as well
orchid frigate
if you do siege and bolster a spotter, what does it do during last boss?
hidden plaza
I think u die to reset it
orchid frigate
ah
young galleon
question, should i go for crit, vers or haste gems in my sockets/ench? im only going like 10-15 keys now. atm im using vers KEKW
my haste is only 16% base
sweet summit
More haste. @young galleon
Force multi on weapon
@orchid frigate you suicide yeah
Or meld if youre alliance :^)
young galleon
what about essences?
orchid frigate
thanks! so we get the spotter at 2nd boss and then one-shot everything?
sweet summit
VoP major
CnS, Lucid, Sphere, Aegis, Warden
Yes you do
Just tag mobs before spotter kills them
orchid frigate
do the 2nd boss before getting spotter?
sweet summit
Or you wont get count
Get the spotter by 2nd boss. Keep it rooted during boss fight
orchid frigate
kk ty
upbeat anchor
I got to 1800 as 2 hand prot lmao
orchid frigate
why does it have to be rooted, @sweet summit ?
sweet summit
So it doesnt run and melee hit you
orchid frigate
ah
sweet summit
Youll die
ionic fern
Building size bolstered mob hard to see i guess.
sweet summit
Hard to execute without proper setup/coms. But should be doable?
orchid frigate
kk
young galleon
isnt nullbarrier worth in <15 keys?
ionic fern
Jeh it is. Just let them know what the plan is
orchid frigate
took a peek at fem's route
sweet summit
Null is good for dps at rank 3 in like workshop
LF siege boost btw
My worst key by far
sweet summit
Oof 
orchid frigate
had a siege +18 from chest wich i quickly downgraded via pugs to a +15, played it up last night to a new siege +19 😄
charred ivy
Hey im Kinda new to prot and tanking. Any tip If I feel squishy in example kr? I try keep shield block ignore pain. And demo shout on them. Tried check for guides etc how to
alpine stag
Soloed the elemental on bridge on Shrine 23 for the first time - padded alot of dmg XD
jolly thistle
If you’re feeling squishy as prot warrior it’s almost always magic dmg. Interrupt, spell reflect, stun, fear as many casts as possible. Mark targets and assign people to them at the start of the run @charred ivy
Witch doctors and hex priests hurt a lot if the can freely cast
alpine stag
ngl, with Verse amps, even on a 23 fortified they tickle when a kick is missed
charred ivy
I only do like max 17s and in General ppl say up to 20 no need versa. How much versa u guys have?
jolly thistle
He’s probably not running versa as a new tank
alpine stag
ye
try to reflect their first bolt and then u need an interrupt order
if there r 2 casters, leap in between and reflect both
cos if u charge to one, itll cast before the other one and u cant reflect both
jolly thistle
There’s usually only 2 casters per pull in KR unless you wanna go big. Just mark one for the group and tell them a kick rotation before start. And you do the second one with kick reflect stun kick etc.
Should be enough for pugs without coms
onyx vessel
Even in comms ill call reflecting one of them interrupts
alpine stag
also tip for Shrine casters; u generaly want to interupt water blast but not wash away, since if u interupt one, itll begin casting the other. BUT if you stun wash away or stop it in anyway (like Intimidating shouting or mage DB), itll keep trying to cash wash away
cast*
so we basically kept stopping wash away until reflect was up again
just care for stun DRs
jolly thistle
The casters in shrine aren’t too bad. They don’t switch targets if you outrange them. You can leap away and LoS if things get out of control
alpine stag
ye its mostly about minmaxing dps uptime and reflect damage
still pagoda
just care for stun DRs
Fears, blind and incapacitate effects
alpine stag
true, and the last boss
sweet summit
Reflect was 15% of my damage last ML. Big value
charred ivy
And whats stat prio? 22% haste then what? Seen vid that sid crit for m plus? And versa?
stiff oracle
166% haste is softcap 
tranquil sequoia
hmm so I could tank these 14-16s as prot with my expedients? I recently got skitra shoulders and a shield
puts me at around 476
(coming from arms)
alpine stag
yes u can
somber sky
@onyx vessel I did 2.98m on her when I missed 1/4 casts 
With spell reflect that is...
16 ML
onyx vessel
opal python
so if i'm not pushing super high keys, crit haste is still fine yh?
and i don't rly have to get the versatile corruptions?
devout robin
dont u get problems as warr in super high keys?
still pagoda
so if i'm not pushing super high keys, crit haste is still fine yh?
@opal python
It is much better if you're not pushing above +22
:D
and even then you can make into higher without vers
just depends on your comfortability
alpine stag
Verse starts getting beneficial 20+, not cos you need it (you only need it like 24/25+) but cos it frees your healer a lot and allows for small mistakes. Also allows u to make bigger pulls where every1 elses overall will get higher
im pushing 23s and run will full verse amp, again not cos i wont survive without it, cos it allows me to do riskier things. My overall isnt that much lower compared to when i ran TD3
cos Verse does give a signifcant dps boost if you are at 50%+ base verse which can almost reach 100% with things like CNS and stuff
and dont overlook how much dmg a freed up Holy Pala can do
alpine stag
i mean in the 23s im doing, my healer is basically doing 2 things; DPSing and healing unavoidable dmg (or mistakes) on dps
just has beacon on me basically
still pagoda
i run only 10% vers DR in my 22-23 push rn
some people can confirm that i barely take damage outside of DPS dh's not interrupting
alpine stag
ye thats fine, its a personal thing at the end
sweet summit
Only thing i disagree with is "bigger pulls". Yoyre still limited by stops, not your vers
alpine stag
ye, ofc things like cragmaw room wont be solved
sweet summit
And bolstering 
still pagoda
bolstering
alpine stag
tho conflict major on swarmers is neat
alpine stag
ye but i run with hpala
😛
feels bad
also being free of TD rng was a breath of fresh air for me
didnt have to beg the RNG gods anymore
for an optimal TD proc
orchid frigate
hmm havent payed much attention to my bear's corruption and have some EV. feels chill on skittish 🙂
guardian all in all feels chill
sweet summit
Bear owns
sweet summit
Poggers
still pagoda
had to regroup all the pulls because of dumb DPS on bolstering
sweet summit
No rogue?
alpine stag
Rixxa as a dwarf warr is pog. Reflect > Racial > Reflect
still pagoda
seems like group leader wants rogue
sweet summit
Alliance 
alpine stag
😛
still pagoda
we've been waiting with the variety of classes in lfg by now
moved from alliance to horde on May 28th
i don't regret this
still pagoda
that's it
zero population
and races don't really matter
especially nelf
lets be real
nelf racial is MDI meme at that point
alpine stag
N elf is very good as dps to cheese stuff
sweet summit
But no belfs tho
still pagoda
^
still pagoda
alpine stag
or Rezan, never have to move boss
sweet summit
I miss meld on rezan thats it
alpine stag
and 3rd boss KR
alpine stag
also ToS gaunlet
still pagoda
i don't want to play on dead faction anymore
still pagoda
just move already
Kazzak, Draenor and TM/TN are great servers to move to nowadays
No rogue?
@sweet summit
He took warlock as the third DPS
sweet summit
Big imp on 3rd
still pagoda
yuj
sweet summit
Lock pumps
sweet summit
Pull around him
alpine stag
maybe hes the next Sjele
orchid frigate
tho they do have cookies
remember when warlocks was the go to ML class
by the way, solo the elemental in shrine. doesnt feel like you win much in terms of time
maybe something you do in high keys only?
sweet summit
Dunno. Its like 5%? For 3 spell reflects or something
Big value
Can use it as a cooldown recovery pull
mellow patio
Think of it as you don’t lose much in time and it’s pretty big %
strong forum
in high keys its 25-33% per reflect
mellow patio
Yes
strong forum
yes way faster
orchid frigate
ah ok
strong forum
cuz in high keys you cant damage it reliably
orchid frigate
i see
sweet summit
If you do elemental you solo it. Or you dont do it
pine lotus
how good is prot in 5 mask visions? i really only wanna play prot
pine lotus
i guess the correct question would be, am i gimping myself majorly going prot over arms for it
pine lotus
thank u nom
brittle owl
you can do trash as prot and bosses as arms/fury if you're intent on "min maxing"
limpid pawn
i think the whole sockets/gear thing is not explained very well
still pagoda
limpid pawn
I was thinking really hard about this earlier today, I think I can sum it up pretty nicely
once you have your end-game set - there is absolutely no difference whether you socket your ring, or your pants
still pagoda
you just socket it all
limpid pawn
assuming there is no possibility of you upgrading either piece
sweet summit
That is a true fact
novel ruin
@still pagoda This really isn’t the place to be blaming teammates over keys. Please take that to another discord or PMs. No reason to be toxic in here.
limpid pawn
but the upgrade of 10 levels in a piece like pants/belt/gloves will most likely be greater than adding a socket in those pieces. Adding a socket in pieces like rings/bracers however will proportionally be stronger than upgrading like 10 ilevels in those pieces
sweet summit
Yep, "more stats>better stats"
limpid pawn
TLDR: it is perfectly fine to use slightly lower ilevel stuff in wrist/rings
assuming they have the stats you are looking for
still pagoda
@still pagoda This really isn’t the place to be blaming teammates over keys. Please take that to another discord or PMs. No reason to be toxic in here.
@novel ruin
You're right. But sometimes it just gets too far
novel ruin
@still pagoda I understand getting upset on runs, especially with PUGs. But please think about how much you do complain in here. It’s not helpful content to anyone.
still pagoda
it really isn't
limpid pawn
well... actually if I were from his server I would find it useful
because I would avoid those players as well
novel ruin
@limpid pawn Rings and Trinkets tend to be really good places to put your first sockets because they are pieces that obtaining a 475 (depending on spec/raid progression) can be hard to obtain.
@limpid pawn The names are blacked out so you wouldn’t know who they were. Plus you have no idea if these people were having a bad day, etc. You shouldn’t blacklist people over 1 run if you weren’t even a part of the run. People (including tanks) destroy keys or runs all the time. If you look at any of our tanking gameplay during a dungeon that went poorly, even if we did not die, there was probably a situation that we could have played better to not let people die.
novel ruin
The best people in the world have bad keys. Ellesmere died 3 times on last boss on 28 FH last night. No reason to blast em. Move on, fix what you yourself can correct and do more keys. Thousands of players are doing keys.
main vault
I mean the Lock name isnt blacked out lol
novel ruin
@sweet summit Exactly. Was helping a friend do a vod review yesterday and he didn’t die too much but the amount of stuff he was doing that was affecting the group negatively was eye-opening to him.
@main vault Is it? I didn’t notice. I do believe there are some rules in this discord about blasting peeps names
novel ruin
Yup.
How many tanks are proactive with telling people what they need to be doing? Or that they are gathering a pull? Or give out kick orders.
All stuff that tanks should get comfortable doing as they start progressing to 20s
novel ruin
Or how many tanks don’t do barrels in 3rd boss of Tol and then wonder why the perish/things aren’t clean
sweet summit
And the small things like last boss TD positioning
So healer/rdps dont have to move for crossfire
limber ermine
What are the best talents for prot?
sweet summit
The talents listed in the guide
limber ermine
what guide?
novel ruin
Guides and resources tab
Safeguard is POG
But is only reliable in KR, potentially FH (though big TCs nice in here), Siege, Tol in some niche cases,
novel ruin
Phase 2 of WS it’s pretty good. I wouldn’t use it during Phase 1. Yeah, first boss of temple it’s good too. I used it last night in a 24. Missed it by 1min 😦
sweet summit
Using it in p1 after blob is dead 👌
novel ruin
@sweet summit IDk, lots of tank damage in that first phase. Plus the dot hits hard but is still healable. You could argue that Safeguard should be taken due to not needing the larger TC for the rest of the dungeon.
sweet summit
I havent had any issues living that phase. But im also a big pussy soyboy and running full vers
novel ruin
2 chested a 22 of it this week. Hoping for a 24 of it to do this week for big IO gains. My group has failed every 24 we’ve done this week 😦 We attack 23 WCM tonight.
chilly brook
I should get a 20 done before reset
sweet summit
should i do weekly on dk or nah?
novel ruin
Plus I go full vers on Friday so pretty excited. Of course, takes 20min
sweet summit
vers 3 on friday again?
still pagoda
good luck with it)
novel ruin
Yup. The 17th
pine lotus
i had a spotter bolstered on a 19 where it had like 50 mil max health
and i made the mistake of getting in melee range and it fucking shotted me lol
chilly brook
Siege us actually gross this week
pine lotus
i didnt realize it would do a random auto-attack like that
still pagoda
Siege us actually gross this week
Just as it is every other bolstering week since BfA launch
like
i don't do siege on bolstering
at all
grand drum
But seeing things get 1 shot with spotter
scarlet copper
I'm watching Fem, and they were able to get a jockey into mech without agroing the rest of the pack. How is this done?
novel ruin
You knock the jockey towards the mech
Or start combat with the pack and then meld/vanish/reset the pack after jockey is casting/moving towards peacekeeper
scarlet copper
aah that's probably what they did. awesome
novel ruin
I have 24 siege to do as well tonight. Super scared of 1 raider
scarlet copper
though I forget what happened after.. does the jockey continue to stay agroed or will it sit there?
novel ruin
It will sit there as a peacekeeper
scarlet copper
gotcha
novel ruin
Allowing you to single pull it
This is how MDI gets like 10 peacekeepers into first boss
distant crystal
the peacekeeper will actually solo aggro
strong forum
well theyre also timing it in such a way that the peace keepr doesnt deaggro
strong forum
they trigger like every pack, then meld at a specific time where the rest deaggros, but the peacekeeper doesnt
distant crystal
unless you have a dk or somebody that can insta-tag it after it ejects but before it dies to the eject dmg
sweet summit
peacekeepers are global combat
novel ruin
Ahh, didn’t know they were global
scarlet copper
if the peacekeeper runs through the pack you melded to get to you will it agro the pack?
strong forum
hey its just like me
sweet summit
kekw
distant crystal
still pagoda
kek
scarlet copper
hehehe
sorry guys I'm full of questions, but for temple when you are reflecting cyclone strike.. any trick to it? or just hit reflect don't move
sweet summit
dont reflect when he targets you with the cast
have a kick on the jolt
stand in front of him
dont move
scarlet copper
so if he targets you with cyclone strike you can't reflect that?
sweet summit
no
warm plinth
Has to be someone else, and you'll only reflect one cyclone (the rest will just be deflected)
Just move in front of him, stand there, and hit SR. Facing doesn't matter. Just don't move until it passes you
scarlet copper
got it, thanks 🙂
sweet summit
is this bis?
warm plinth
LEEEEEEECH
chilly brook
@grand drum seeing things get one shot by the spotter loses its novelty when you see a commander with 30m
sweet summit
but you kys so its fine
torn ermine
Any updated guide for corruptions and essences? Seems the meta is now 2*IT, rest vers and then conflict major? The guides I've seen don't take the corruption vendor into account.
icy harness
any keys under 20 (people say 24, but I go with 20) IT2, rest twilight
high keys, IT2, rest vers and conflict major is for the vers gain
they go vers in order not to die
if you're not dying, go TD
that's as easy as it gets
VoP major if you dont need the vers
novel ruin
Don’t need vers for anything less than a 24 really. Gimping yourself and your squad by doing so. Just go TD and blast.
And if you are doing 20s start using Lucid instead of VoP
clear musk
@icy harness literally the post I wanted to read! I am finally venturing into M15s+ and all my gear is from Heroic City and first 3 from Mythic City (current raid progression).
I was stacking pure TD, and had one EXP3. Looks like I'll swap out the exp3 for IT2
clear musk
july 17th
novel ruin
@clear musk Expedient is okay as a filler if you have majority haste gear. But def for 15s go full TD with IT rank 1 x 2.
pine lotus
xanthos youre a god among men thank you
helpful for lurkers
how does prot out damage guardian if guardian goes full TD (they have more health), is it simply because the thunderclap dmg
icy harness
thunderclap does more damage than TD3 for me
novel ruin
^
warm plinth
@chilly brook we just kill everything else then die on purpose and pull the commanders together after we take the portal up
novel ruin
Thank you @pine lotus Lots of helpful people here
proper oyster
So how does the stacking work on 2 IT1s? 2x 30% regen, do those just proc more often and are better than a single 50% regen of a single IT2?
warm plinth
Er obelisk up I mean
pine lotus
i have a 479 bear and running td5, it does like 30-45% of my dmg
and im gearing my alt prot now
halcyon coyote
So how does the stacking work on 2 IT1s? 2x 30% regen, do those just proc more often and are better than a single 50% regen of a single IT2?
@proper oyster yes. it1 x2 is better than it2
warm plinth
It’s just more CDR. 60% instead of 50% and it’s 24 corruption instead of 30
proper oyster
Thanks!
chilly brook
@warm plinth it's still gross lol
scarlet copper
can we dodge Process Waste on the drills in workshop? I find that it gets kinda buggy because they're start casting and will sometimes move to face me again if I move away
clear musk
@novel ruin thank you sir -
I guess the follow up question from me (for the community). I've followed wowheads guide of ilvl > haste > vers > critical strike. is this still the right path for M15-M20? I dont imagine going above that, but i dont delete/scrap gear so ill have tons of it lying around in the bank if i need to prioritize anything else
sweet summit
@scarlet copper move after they finish
chilly brook
@warm plinth I feel like every group ints on siege
novel ruin
@clear musk We usually recommend Ilvl > haste > crit >= Vers >>>>> mastery
You want haste on every piece if you can.
@clear musk Here is my armory so you can get an idea.
I’m mostly haste/vers due to the keys I’m playing at. So you would switch gems to haste and enchants to haste for yourself
Then the Scale and Vita trinket are your BiS
strong forum
only 4 sockets 
clear musk
thank you, useful
clear musk
clear musk
so low level items i should try to get asap are: Vita TitanShard
distant crystal
i've installed so many sockets
onyx vessel
Ive bought 14 sockets
strong forum
just get sockets 4head
distant crystal
across 8 toons lol
onyx vessel
clear musk
im also at like.. high 60s corruption (assuming max resist, which i will be next week). i think i drop TD1 to be under 60. and I should be good for M15-M19 ?
that adjustment + Vita Titan
distant crystal
only 2 of them are full sockets :p
novel ruin
@strong forum I have 15 visions to do this week for 3 more sockets xD. I also maimed Fury for progression so had to get sockets for that first
distant crystal
idk if mage counts as full sockets since i can't socket font 
sweet summit
onyx vessel
Do em all in 1 day
strong forum
im proud to say that i have almost the least possible amount of visions done while not falling behind in CR
onyx vessel
👍
novel ruin
I’m same way lol
novel ruin
@clear musk Pug Mythic Wraith for mythic scale. Heroic Vita is fine.
novel ruin
@clear musk Nzoth trinket is 3rd best (and becomes 1st best as you go higher) but I wouldn’t use it for 15-19s. Just go haste trinkets. If you can’t get Scale, farm for Rezans. 3rd best haste trinket for us. Force Multiplier on Weapon. Stay at or below 39 corruption until you are comfortable with your toolkit
clear musk
perfect, thanks for the guidance.
(A) mythic wrath is part of my guilds weekly run, so ill get it there eventually
(B) Haste trinkets - i have the Razen trinekt (465) so Ill use that
(C) worth wasting rolls to get heroic vita titanshard?
(D) roger on 39 corruption
novel ruin
Like how Font is needed for Fire Mage
clear musk
i got the void titan shard last week -___- haha
novel ruin
Yeah void is garbo
clear musk
i wa trying to farm vita because i been doing M15 as arms to familiarize myself with dungeons - but def prefer tanking
novel ruin
@clear musk Arms wants Vita and Recal trinket
torn ermine
When is TD3 being sold? I've had 0 luck getting TD so far. Was gonna skip in favor of vers as I'm starting to do 20s
novel ruin
@torn ermine Corruptionvendor.com
torn ermine
I have time to farm then
clear musk
thanks agian guys, very helpful. trying to make a push to get better at m15s+ (and get over 2k raider io - at 1972! ).
Ive been using Darkmechs youtube guides, and Metros MDT paths - so i think ill be set to confidently handle more difficult dungeons (for example. i tanked a M15 Workshop, but thats like the easiest path dungein)
novel ruin
@clear musk If you ever want, feel free to record a M+ run and then message me and we can go over it together
clear musk
forgot to mention it was Workshop that i previously tanked, and M15 Sethralis. both which I think are very striaghtofrward
thank you Xantos, much appreciated. ill be hanging around this channel more often now
novel ruin
No problem. GL in your adventuring
woeful estuary
How do you solo elemental in shrine of the storm
what ability am I looking to spell reflect?
distant crystal
the debuff
the cast time that's not the aoe
or wait is there a cast bar for it actually? 🤔
woeful estuary
What's the ability called?
distant crystal
idk offhand i'm not in game to look at mdt
but he has two abilities, the aoe that you line
and the debuff that you reflect
sweet summit
shock
distant crystal
i didn't know that was a thing tho
what's your group doing while you solo it
lol
novel ruin
Hiding next to Runecarver door but not pulling em
The Electefying Shock can target anyone, that is why you LoS so it only targets tank
But it really is only worth it starting aroun 23/24 keys
Otherwise killing an extra bridge pack or more trash at beginning is more worth
scarlet copper
is there any way to get the EXRT marks bar to stop moving? If you have the "Show marks" it's fine, but all I want is the world marks bar, but when that happens you can't move it, and the only way to move it is to enable something else. but then when you disable it again it shifts
and sometimes when I log in I See it has shifted
floral forum
which shield?
strong forum
socket
chilly portal
novel ruin
It shouldn’t
undone sun
no reason it should
novel ruin
Abilities don’t? Idk if that’s true. Shield slam, TC, etc should proc it
sweet summit
Thats how it work?
novel ruin
If only autos procced it, it would be bad
undone sun
it's almost always damaging abilities that trigger it
so you can't proc it through something like commanding shout
novel ruin
I’ve never had proc when I’ve taunted soe@thing to pull it
Like pulling alarm bot in Workshop
civic rover
i love when TD procs when I do heroic throw but nothing else
novel ruin
Just taunt it and you won’t get a TD
civic rover
but muh dps
novel ruin
Sometimes you want to pull with taunt and not heroic throw
Like alarm bot in Workshop
civic rover
i know i was joking
chilly brook
I've had TD proc mid charge or mid jump as DH
Like basically as soon as I aggro the mobs by entering combat
And it doesn't proc from the place I hit the ability it procs mid movement so I'd assume it's more or less based off of combat
novel ruin
Charge does damage
chilly brook
Again it procs mid movement
undone sun
doesn't necessarily mean it procs when the damage hits
scarlet copper
best non-raid shield is from what, temple?
scarlet copper
oh really? figured we'd want the vers
strong forum
but it doesnt have haste
novel ruin
@scarlet copper are you doing 22 or 24+ keys? If not then you don’t care about vers. Want haste/crit
scarlet copper
I'd like to start. I'm just about 3200 and I'd like to push to 4k, maybe higher
strong forum
around 4k is when you start thinking bout vers, but shield you just want the boe.
anything else is kinda inting imo
novel ruin
Once you hit 22s or so you can start using a mix of vers, td and IT. Mythic Ilgy shield @strong forum is pog
strong forum
ya sure but if you dont raid mythic
novel ruin
If you are trying to push much past 4K you are inting if you don’t raid mythic
novel ruin
Do you NEED the gear? No but there are beautiful 475 and 485 pieces from raid.
civic rover
that's not much of a grief tbh
like yeah it's very very helpful to have 475+ gear coming to you every week but saying it's inting is a bit much
novel ruin
And if you are trying to push as high as possible, Mythic gear is the best gear and has the highest chance of consistently rolling with tertiary stats at a high ilvl which become more important as you go higher
How many 5kio people do not have access to mythic raid gear? Very few %
civic rover
even if you can't be on the main raid team even if you can just get in on farm bosses for loot it's helpful
strong forum
obv its helpful, but not necessary if you do your +15 since week1
novel ruin
I didn’t start gearing for Prot until 10 weeks ago
strong forum
max ilvl you can get is 479.88 without raiding 12/12
novel ruin
It’s less about ilvl and more about the availability of great gear
strong forum
through dungeon spam you can get full 465 haste vers socket and leech, heroic vita / nzoth, shield you can buy very good azerite from vendor
wrathion skitra you can pug
novel ruin
Don’t know about you Nomeratur but I don’t have an extra 800k gold around to spend on a BOE shield
strong forum
if youre not willing to spend that, then why bother pushing
novel ruin
Same could be said about mythic raiding...
If you aren’t willing to get the best gear in the game, why are you trying to push
strong forum
well the best gear is haste vers leech for WF keys, and the chance to get that from Mythic are much slimmer than from m+ spam, like way lower
up to a point where youre willingly dropping those 10 ilvl
novel ruin
Yes but you also get that chance every week for 3-4 hours of effort
Versus spending 10-20 hours a week M+ spamming
strong forum
sure its better to get mythic gear, but not necessary, like i said
novel ruin
Which is what I said...
strong forum
its the patch that arguably requires the least amount of mythic raiding ever
to be competetive
novel ruin
I have friends who are over 4K and they haven’t touched anything more 3/12 Mythic or 12/12 Heroic. They do great. But they also will be the first to say they are missing out on a ton of dps/hp, etc by not mythic raiding, not getting mythic slappers, etc
novel ruin
Not even just dps though
strong forum
but not as tank
healers are always relative, they dont depend as much on specific pieces or corruptions id say
novel ruin
True
Having high ilvl gear is going to help way more against potential one-shot abilities too
Especially for healers/dps
Like First boss of FH
strong forum
eh bad example cuz you avoid all of it
novel ruin
Not as a DH
strong forum
even as dh
novel ruin
You can get unlucky during Meta
strong forum
sure but past a certain level you dont live no matter the gear
novel ruin
Yes
sweet summit
Full vers :) let mage carry dps :)
civic rover
every fire mage i've ever seen will pull like 200k dps for 10 seconds and then 50k tops until they have combust up again
civic rover
bleh
strong forum
dogshit spec
novel ruin
Yeah I hate playing with mages
strong forum
terrible design
novel ruin
At least Ret does some stuff outside of Wings
Like utility
Mage just sits there crying as they do less than the healer
sweet summit
Minute mage is epic tho
novel ruin
Give me hunters all day
sweet summit
Combust for every pull
novel ruin
^
novel ruin
Frost is more fun to play than Fire imo
strong forum
to get shit to line up
sweet summit
Good thing im tanking and not playing mage then 😂
distant crystal
mage has better utility than either when they're not musting wym
novel ruin
Not really
distant crystal
dragon's breath is god tier
novel ruin
Hunter has some of the best utility in the game
novel ruin
DB is good
distant crystal
lidl combust just feels awful when you know the joy of lucid combust
tame garden
minute mage is so nice to play with
sweet summit
Yep
novel ruin
Just play with hunter instead
sweet summit
Both
tame garden
why not both
sweet summit
Ez
distant crystal
cause we are god tier
strong forum
mage and rogue players are a plague
sweet summit
Wait i have a meme for this
tame garden
just dont simp for your mage
strong forum
can confirm
distant crystal
now simp for me
novel ruin
I love good rogue players
distant crystal
imagine not simping for your mage
novel ruin
They are bitches
strong forum
rogues and mages are insanly cocky, horrible people
sweet summit
strong forum
especially pvp
distant crystal
i want you to get an anxiety attack when you see me font
trying to figure out a proper big bust pull
novel ruin
The rogue I play with is super chill and does everything I ask of him
distant crystal
that's cause rogues don't give a fuck how you pull
novel ruin
I invite warlocks over mages
distant crystal
yikes
strong forum
warlocks are good people
novel ruin
That’s how much I dislike fire
novel ruin
Demo pumps
sweet summit
Idk demo/destro can pump hard
distant crystal
ezpz
strong forum
sure they pump, but you need an actual god to play it good
novel ruin
Shadow priest and Warlocks and Elemental shammy get invites over Fire Mages in my Pugs
distant crystal
and wonky utlity
onyx vessel
entitled trash cans called fire mages
sweet summit
SP actually owns tho
onyx vessel
novel ruin
Yeah they do, just have to chain pull
onyx vessel
it does
novel ruin
This week is horrible for em
But a good ML week for Shadow Priest is amazing to watch
distant crystal
sp doesn't really care if you chain
as long as you don't take fuckin breaks between pulls
sweet summit
Yeh
distant crystal
they'll use their CoI stacks
sweet summit
That
novel ruin
I mean chaining pulls increases their void uptime though
And is more efficient to timing a dungeon
onyx vessel
entitled sp's
novel ruin
So should be doing it anyways on good weeks
onyx vessel
distant crystal
i mean chaining is just better in general when you can do it yeah
nothing particular to spriests
spriests just don't like downtime
onyx vessel
try playing them with a sin rogue
sweet summit
Chaining is a given when affixes allow for it tbh
onyx vessel
distant crystal
that's just paper rock scissoring yourself
novel ruin
@distant crystal You are being hypocritical...
onyx vessel
bolster btw
novel ruin
Don’t like downtime, but also don’t like chainpulling
onyx vessel
waat chainpulls
novel ruin
Like what?
onyx vessel
hell ya brother
distant crystal
it's fine to drop combat
still pagoda
Chaining is a given when affixes allow for it tbh you're up to some spice
onyx vessel
distant crystal
as long as you pull promptly after
novel ruin
See how big you can make a peacekeeper
distant crystal
fire just wants quadruple pulls every 2 minutes and single pulls in between
onyx vessel
👍
novel ruin
I pull shit onto bosses all the time. Enhancement shaman
distant crystal
make it happen
onyx vessel
maybe not this week
onyx vessel
1b hp boss
distant crystal
the boss won't bolster the mobs
sweet summit
^
onyx vessel
onyx vessel
i understand pullin mobs on the boss when boss is low
onyx vessel
but my guild would cry
distant crystal
she fucking slaps
novel ruin
Most people cry when you pull stuff onto bosses
onyx vessel
i did 2 obby FH final boss and my healer bitched the whole time
sweet summit
Why isnt eudora friendly every week
novel ruin
Eudora only does 10k dps though
onyx vessel
while im just afk
distant crystal
we did it in a 23 two nights ago on accident
got to harlan "hmm there's 2 obs boys"
"oh well COMBOOOOOOST"
novel ruin
Fear on is free in FH
novel ruin
People get scared of doing new things
novel ruin
But they want to time dungeons so you have to become spicer
onyx vessel
fear plus spider is pretty free
novel ruin
Yeah
onyx vessel
only 18m
novel ruin
We were gonna do it in our 24 FH this week but we ripped on first boss so w/e 😦
novel ruin
Healer died, DH went to Rez, he died
novel ruin
We went 23 for the 3rd time this week
distant crystal
apparently it's really hard for an arms warrior to live 24 temple first boss
onyx vessel
spell reflect 4head
sweet summit
It should not be?
sweet summit
Well yeah :p
distant crystal
when i bust they like
leap across the the other boss
and drive by spread
lol
onyx vessel
onyx vessel
playing fire mage
sweet summit
Not having focus kick macro there is scetch
onyx vessel
distant crystal
yeah he didn't do a lot of keys normally
i'm sure he has arena target 1/2/3 kicks
lol
distant crystal
guildies yo
distant crystal
we should have honestly
onyx vessel
yeah prob
novel ruin
We finished 24 ML this week. 6min over
distant crystal
did you do double pull left
novel ruin
Snapping?
onyx vessel
the bridge ones
novel ruin
Go backwards
onyx vessel
im working on it
distant crystal
just gotta do drills
novel ruin
Go into a normal and practice
onyx vessel
time to go in a normal and try em
novel ruin
It’s what I did
novel ruin
Same thing I did with doing 3-4 pull of golems in KR
onyx vessel
hmmmm
distant crystal
it's usually tanks that are trying to be uber careful that end up falling into rezan pit
just gotta be confident and yolo up there
orchid frigate
wish you could leap all the way to the snap point
distant crystal
if you could leap there it wouldn't be a snap point sadly
novel ruin
You can’t, if you could then it wouldn’t be a snap point
distant crystal
no pathing allowed
novel ruin
That one can be a pain too
orchid frigate
"dude we would have killed the birds by now..."
distant crystal
like leaving Maut and jumping up to the sides for that skip
orchid frigate
and me jumping like a fool
novel ruin
Just leap
distant crystal
my mages is dorf too :p
onyx vessel
playing ally
orchid frigate
my ally warrior was a dorf
onyx vessel
onyx vessel
good guys are overrated
orchid frigate
hmm weird. cant open guild chat
onyx vessel
i burned down the tree and enjoyed it
clear musk
i learned snappoints through darkmechs youtube videos. is there a handy resource/wiki/guide that has them posted? shrine of storms snappoints are easy cause its the teacups for example
onyx vessel
orchid frigate
onyx vessel
i mean if restarting bnet cilent is the solution thats pretty easy
south yarrow
It's not
distant crystal
it...sorta is. it makes your shit retry to connect to whatever is hosting that
if that node is still busted then yeah it'll stay down
orchid frigate
i love when you want to snap in atal and dps starts blasting while you move into position
especially on skittish
distant crystal
i tanked a key last night on my monk with like 4 versatile and behind on cloak resist with a 4K 12/12 hdh
that was fun
still pagoda
distant crystal
i just taunt on cd and try to do my best dam
lol
if he dies i get threat and if he doesn't no harm no foul eh
distant crystal
it wasn't as bad as i was expecting but it was also still kinda bad
i tried to like, rush into new packs and hit them a couple times before he could lol
orchid frigate
always best to keep one step ahead 🙂
torpid hawk
Hello guys! I have a question, what's better 475 shield from mechagon or 460 nya? ( with t7 vers)
orchid frigate
i love when you get invited to the group. leader takes good time finding others
you go to dungeon and help out summon everyone
leader doesnt accept summon
travel by his own
then takes a minute outside dungeon
then goes DC
well spent 20 minutes
novel ruin
Geti is KR world quest RN 😮
strong forum
get it before its gone!!!!!11
novel ruin
prob will grab on holy pally so i can start playing around on ret a bit lol
hard citrus
If I don't plan on pushing past mythic 15s (being the highest) what essences should I be prioritizing?
novel ruin
@hard citrus VoP major, Conflict, Lucid, Strength (if need corruption resist) or Sphere minors
hard citrus
Thank you @novel ruin
novel ruin
np, gl
crystal depot
Strictly for m+, should i take bloodsport or Brace for Impact?
calm whale
Whats up with devastator for parses?
novel ruin
More shield slams
clear musk
grinding for Conflict rank 3 has been so agonizing. I had my friend carry me to 1000 rating for rank 2, but ive had no desire to "get good" to get to 1500 and get it in like 3-4 weeks
i should suck it up i guess
novel ruin
@clear musk need 1600 for 4 weeks i believe
still pagoda
Super boring to play imo though
@novel ruin
Last time i had fun with deva was back in T21
@clear musk need 1600 for 4 weeks i believe
for 3*
clear musk
1600 ;[
still pagoda
1600 is easy
novel ruin
@still pagoda any spec that doesnt press stuff every GCD feels horrible to me
still pagoda
just get your DK/pally/Hunter/Destro buddy and find a healer
clear musk
so do it in 3s youre saying
novel ruin
2s is easier than 3s
calm whale
does the devastator hit chance to proc TD? Same for reckless flurry trait?
novel ruin
Any attacks can proc TD
rancid ember
I didn't even start conflict 😦 I'm almost @ Mech Rev & Naz ally xp 4800 though
distant crystal
just cap conq
sick sentinel
Does Ignore Pain have a cap or am I just not letting enough rage build to get a huge shield?
undone sun
it does have a cap
x1.3 the initial cast
but that's not worth worrying about
it's more detrimental to rage cap than ip cap
sick sentinel
I just picked it back up for "serious" use this week and I seem to remember it would grow fat but who knows when that was. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't missng something.
wet fable
@sick sentinel In the start of Legion you could make it massive at least.
undone sun
x3
sick sentinel
That's probably what i was thinking about.
crude notch
And it's getting raised in SL
main vault
Who is this guy
polar raft
Does Nzoth trinket scale with Vers? im noticing the value on the tooltip for the absorb doesnt change like my Mchimbas
tame gale
What's the best corruption to get/stack for prot pushing 15-20 m+ keys?
main vault
Yes it does
strong forum
@tame gale Twilight Devastation
novel ruin
@tame gale TD all the way then fill with 2 x Rank 1 IT
reef hornet
What are some of our best defensive trinkets? I see a lot of lists for DPS and im sure we dont care a lot about defensive ones
But is there a list anywhere for purely survivability
shy token
im gonna level up a warrior for my first dark iron, whats the fastest way to the top? Tanking run and gun dungeons?
warm plinth
Probably, yeah.
Questing is arguably just as fast until you hit TW level
But you have to be good at questing
main vault
Yeah efficiently is the goal
warm plinth
I typically quest until I hit the minimum level for the next TW event, then once the event starts I either spam dungeons if I have a tank spec, or quest while queued if I'm DPS
But I'm a very fast quest...er
winter plume
Should I be able to tank a +10 at 440 ilevel?
steep bone
yes
winter plume
Cool. I thought so. Thanks!
steep bone
Just don't overpull, if you go pack by pack is more than doable
civic rover
is junkyard this week for NA gunker first?
icy harness
for 20s lucid or vop?
shy token
for heirlooms do i like that old thrash blade with the extra swing and like.. mark of warsong?
or the haste blade
warm plinth
Doesn't really matter Cinos. I usually just use the normal sword iirc
@icy harness I'm not even doing 20s and I use Lucid. It's really fun to play with and you don't really miss vision major
shy token
Thanks Ghash
worthy leaf
