anyone knowing if there is a WA where i can just click a button to enter those portals from the affix? like sometimes i just cant click it for some reason
#protection
raven knoll
sweet summit
never heard of that
undone sun
pretty sure there's a keybind for interact with target and interact with mouseover
sweet summit
yea but you still have to "click" the portal
obtuse yoke
tfw you don't time UR because you have 3 deaths to abyssal slam and 4 to rotten bile
@strong forum what's your route this week for doing fear boi with boss?
final bay
you don't pull the matron?
strong forum
na was wrong
sweet summit
dont pull matron monkaW
sweet summit
you dont do the defiler/deathspeaker patrol?
strong forum
never
we accidentally did a 5 lasher pull + swarmer, maggot and 2-3 slimes around 2nd boss
but kinda managed
obtuse yoke
how do you manage the 2nd boss room?
rigid sinew
sweet summit
this is what i usually do
strong forum
so you dont do maggot or matron
obtuse yoke
not sure if this is most efficient for 2nd boss room
strong forum
but instead of the patrol
obtuse yoke
splitting into 4 groups of 4
rigid sinew
looks omega slow imo
sweet summit
the one i did is not very optimized i just randomly mark mobs in that room
strong forum
i often yolo it
sweet summit
yeah
strong forum
all that matters is only pulling 1 swarmer at a time
and then pull as big as you can around those
🤷♂️
rigid sinew
wym just pull all 5 at once 
sweet summit
more often than not it goes like this
strong forum
yes dude
sweet summit
rigid sinew
do it in the 15 nom
lofty widget
so i just got a 475 servant splitter and was a bit confused at the effect, what exactly triggers it?
sweet summit
anything
lofty widget
so it's not just my melee hits?
sweet summit
any damage you do can proc it iirc
sick sentinel
which one should i target?
sick sentinel
UR is easy, i just cannot figure out how to do the final obelisk pull for groups that don't have good dps to kill it with boss
grand drum
Theyre all pretty good. Tol dagor might have to be careful of pulling thru walls
sick sentinel
i try the final obelisk like, 5 times and everytime fail
distant crystal
we just did fear guy + caster w/ harlan
on accident
everything went better than expected
grim nimbus
hi boyz m if my objective is just not to die , should i socket full vers ?
sweet summit
ehhh
strong forum
if you do 25s sure
grim nimbus
im trying to start grinding my prot io
obtuse yoke
bad play with big vers won't help increase IO as much as good play would
main vault
Good play no Vers > bad play with full Vers every single day
still pagoda
these are the 4 dungeons i need to complete on 15 timer for achievo r4 and mount
@sick sentinel
Good luck with those!
i'm only 2.5 dungeons away from all timed 20's
potent bear
how bad is crit for m+? is a 475 crit verse better than 465 hate verse?
steep bone
ilvl wins in your case tho
sweet summit
and big dam
steep bone
crit build with 
??????
sweet summit
y e s
undone sun
no
sick sentinel
no
steep bone
sick sentinel
ravage is minus dkp
steep bone
widepeepohappy
olive gust
475 Bandages w/ socket, 460 humming, 460 vita , which two for m+?
sweet summit
vita scale
olive gust
ty
sweet summit
bandage is pretty very kinda super bad
sick sentinel
mondo absorb
cinder pasture
Big absorb sure, but the duration is too short to be reliably useful
still pagoda
bandage is really-really bad
undone sun
steep bone
I remember using early on
main vault
rip you
undone sun
slender nova
Hey, wanting to get all 15s done - should I try and find a team or just pug it?
I'm only at about 1500 RIO currently 😦
obtuse yoke
^
slender nova
Okay, thanks - i'll try my best lol.
slender nova
@steep bone What you playing for PvP?
still pagoda
i'm playing arms
sometimes it feels like i kill people in one CS
sometimes i feel like a literal support of the group
steep bone
if youre not dispeled from slows roots as arms 
steep bone
omg almost
warm plinth
@still pagoda I like how he took something about prot wars and made it about tanks in general. Imagine thinking there’s such a thing as a paper tank prot war (assuming proper play).
still pagoda
@still pagoda I like how he took something about prot wars and made it about tanks in general. Imagine thinking there’s such a thing as a paper tank prot war (assuming proper play).
@warm plinth
Sounds more like he tried to generalize terrible BDK player on every other tank 😳
warm plinth
Lol. Maybe that’s what he was going for. Not sure. But clearly he’s exactly the type of person the post was written to.
still pagoda
@warm plinth left a big reply to that guy
guess we'll see either a rage or a whining soon
still pagoda
Feelsgoodindeed
sharp rover
What are the ideal azerite pieces for prot in m+ this patch?
sick sentinel
bastion of might x3 deafening crash x1 fill
halcyon coyote
does necrotic affect ignore pain?
halcyon coyote
does shield block count as an absorb?
warm plinth
No, no damage reduction counts as an absorb unless it specifically says "absorbs x damage"
halcyon coyote
👌 great. ez affix
still pagoda
Shield Block counts as block chance increase
which is the increase to the mechanic outside of healing and absorbs
sharp rover
I mean which specific pieces Yogi
The 490 helm is the highest piece with DC + BoM, but the other traits aren't that great
I'm wondering if it's like the shoulders where you take the 480 Skitra shoulders over the 490 carapace shoulders
still pagoda
@sharp rover
Helms: N'zoth, Abyssal Malevolence
Shoulders: Skitra Shoulders, Mechagon shoulders(if i remember how they're named correctly)
Chest: Ashvane Warden, Mecha chest, Vexiona chest
umbral ibex
Hey I'm pretty new to prot, I'm using nzoth trinket, I have 475 of Gore encrusted block/Humming dragon scale(socketed) / Rezan's gleaming eye/Jes' Howler. Any recommendations on the 2nd trinket, I really like the safety of nzoth trink and I have been using jes' howler and will stick with it if it's worth, just not sure if a proc might be better or the on use Vers is worth, I use it as another CD kind of.
Also if this is the wrong place to put a question let me know 🙂
narrow stream
Rezans at 475 is pretty cool lol
The wrath trinket is better imo because you get some speed which is nice for CNS major
grand drum
I would use dragonscale
narrow stream
Keep lps though that's a great trinket
Shield wall every minute what a world
The rezan trinket is pretty big at 475 though lol
It's a lot of haste
I'd still use the wrath trinket for consistency
umbral ibex
Thanks guys 🙂
somber aurora
I seen they originally buffed the cap on IP in Shadowlands. Is that still live or did they roll that back to 1.3x?
main vault
analog hinge
What do you guys usually do for Spirit break on fort weeks?
I dont have nzoth trinket just yet and that move alone absoluty chunks me even with ignore pain up
scenic lava
can prot warriors spell reflect Isanity Bomb in Mythic Carapace in p3?
rustic zodiac
can anybody suggest best set of azerite traits on the Paramount Orthogonal Optics? the 480 engineering helmet.
upbeat halo
Can anyone point me in the direction of a good m+ rotation vid or guide?
limpid pawn
obtuse yoke
ive been having a hard time in AD this week, what have you guys been doing as a route
civic rover
@obtuse yoke i'd avoid AD on bolstering tbh
plain hamlet
What is the chance that the hidden appearance procs?
plain hamlet
does it have like a once a day or just 50/50
final bay
it was a joke
Check once a day
Some people got it the first time, others took 6 months
Just keep wacking at it
plain hamlet
Let’s hope it comes tomorrow then
cinder nova
Is the name of the add that spawns from corruption called "A Thing From Beyond" or just "Thing from beyond?"
It can't be macro'd?
That's a bit bullshit if I do say so
cinder nova
I don't have full vers amps.
final bay
Play cns major and root it
cinder nova
?
cinder nova
Yeah that doesn't stop the effects of Cascading Disaster, though.
And that's my main concern.
hallow phoenix
60+ corruption is yikes
TfB would be the least of my worries at that level
The eye damage alone is nuts without a chunky amount of vers
cinder nova
It's actually not that big of an issue if you're fast about getting out.
The problem is absolutely TfB because it triggers the slow and the eye.
Even if it's SR'd.
And getting gridlocked in the center of an eye that big without a leap or intercept is
Well - a death sentence
cinder nova
Don't you mean don't play over 59?
hallow phoenix
59.5
final bay
Not my point
hallow phoenix
199 corruption or bust
The slow is my least favorite part of high corruption
I kinda want to go back to troll just for the slow reduction
civic rover
is the troll haste bonus racial useful at all?
sweet summit
ofc, its more haste
calm magnet
Do I need to stack vers on mythic raids? Our group is gonna try to prog in the next few weeks
sweet summit
no you dont
you can clear mythic nyalotha with 0% versatility
playing well will get you way further than some vers
calm magnet
Ohh so i should just keep on stacking them? No other corruptions then?
still pagoda
i tanked mythic ilgy prog with TD4+2xIT1 and zero vers
so you're fine
especially at this point
icy harness
@sweet summit i know you're off but we got a really good opportunity for a key
Hope you come back this week
For a Freehold 21
idle idol
is surging vitality worth taking over just % versa when u have already alot of versa %
sweet summit
@icy harness we will see 👀
strong forum
not until a certain corruption point no @idle idol
theres a spreadsheet flying around somewhere that im too lazy to find, but basically you need 130 corruption worth of vers% to then have surging vita beat vers% by like 0.1%
idle idol
i would assume it highly depends on how much flat versa u have on gear aswell
main vault
It all goes together
strong forum
the spreadsheet assumption was i believe 2.5k base vers
and 50% uptime on surging
but yes, it all depends on your base vers, if you have fuckall vers on your gear obv surging vita is gonna net you way more average vers
icy harness
oh also @sweet summit i timed a 19 yard with my bad corruptions n stuff
let me show u what im running
still pagoda
like
it's fine
+19 is literally the brute force zone by now :D
again
95% of prot warrior is gameplay
kind spindle
Had a paladin tell me that "I better be ready cause he pulls aggro hard in aoe". I told him if he pulls it he tanks it not my problem if he can't wait a second or two before blowing his load. Then he replied "skittish bro" lol needless to say he died a lot that Atal run.
kind spindle
I'm sure he's one of those players that just keep rolling bursting too lol
"it's just bursting bro"
strong forum
I mean for rets, bop should be rotational
Cuz all their dmg comes in literal spikes
That is the life of ret pally
700k dps burst, then drop down to like 60k
Much like firemage, but on instant casts and not dots
raven knoll
are you guys playing conflict main next week cause of necrotic? or does nothing changes?
still pagoda
nothing changes
you can easily kite without CnS root if you're on critical amount of stacks
just as you can facetank it
upbeat halo
hey all. any tips for a great backpedal keybind? ii use 's' for other things on all classes so it would be hard for me to change that
i wish i could make rmb + lmb hold to walk back instead of run forward
still pagoda
just use S or whatever you have usually for backpedaling
i don't see any reason why would anyone unbind move backwards
last gazelle
You dont back pedal in pvp though
upbeat halo
s is generally a fantastic keybind for a lot of things
so if yo unever tank you never have to backpedal
strong forum
My backpeddal bind is downarrow
still pagoda
strong forum
I do it once per month, so yeah. Not needed
undone sun
heavy ravine
Questions on sockets is it still worth it to use one Eye of Strength or just go straight haste?
pine lotus
last time i looked people were running vop for prot for m+ as a major, now it seems like everyone is running CnS as a major, why is that
sweet summit
pine lotus
64 % of the people in the 24-30 range
sweet summit
its niche for the root, and gives a lot of vers when vers stacking. thats it
pine lotus
ahh okay thank you
tranquil edge
Lucid is only worth for big pulls. Kinda crap for boss dmg imo
sharp rover
My prot warrior set is almost all haste/vers except for crit/vers socketed bracers and mastery/vers legs. They're both vers major. Do I need to farm for haste/vers alternatives?
Let me grab an armory link actually, one sec
still pagoda
but everyone is running it
@pine lotus
I guess you don't understand the difference between typical +15 and 24-30 range
you don't need CnS at all before such keys
sharp rover
From my limited experience playing CnS, the vers makes a tangible difference to your survivability and the snare makes handling massive pulls a breeze
Any time your pulls aren't limited by an affix, CnS allows you to pull however much you'd like with little fear
sweet summit
pulls are still limited by the amount of stops you have. even if you run cns major 🤔
warm sleet
Is ignore pain effected by necrotic?
sweet summit
yes
warm sleet
Thanks
pine lotus
@still pagoda you dont know what key range i run
im going to freight train your mom tonight for that
sharp rover
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/frostmourne/Ðoron
Do I need to replace the bracers/legs with a haste/vers piece?
This is in the context of vers stacking
sweet summit
sure
still pagoda
im going to freight train your mom tonight for that
@pine lotus
sweet summit
still pagoda
assuming you ask such questions, it's definitely not a range where CnS is a good major
undone sun
if you have to ask...
🙂
still pagoda
🙂
pine lotus
sweet summit
more often than not it is like that 🤷♀️
still pagoda
^
welcome to the place where people are already annoyed by amount of dumb questions
pine lotus
going ham on kartons mom with this setup
undone sun
sorry i forgot to laugh
still pagoda
"Should i stack vers for my weekly no leavers? I run +15's and don't know why i'm taking so much damage? Should i ever use Shield Block?"
and so on
sorry i forgot to laugh [2]
sharp rover
Can I take that to mean no, the pieces are fine?
sweet summit
haste will be better, but it wont make or break anything
sharp rover
I'll save my expulsom then
sick sentinel
hi, im new to warrior and im wondering does block reduce the damage of a bleed effect on you?
sweet summit
no
sick sentinel
ok thnx
sweet summit
thank you, very cool
still pagoda
mental scarab
+ leech 😶
sweet summit
mental scarab
👨🔬
unborn wren
Are you folks all going for twilight devastation for aoe dmg and infinite stars on single in general as prot?
ignore all other corruptions?
still pagoda
you go TD for everything
unborn wren
just returned to game week ago and looking to start buying stuff from mother 😛
unborn wren
void ritual seemed to be ranked quite horribly so probably replacing that
are the numbers some sort of ranks for them?
halcyon coyote
some corruptions have levels associated with them
higher rank, higher power, higher corruption cost
unborn wren
ah gotcha
halcyon coyote
and the number to the right of the row
is the amount of echoes it takes to buy
from mother
unborn wren
but you could just stack the level 1 on multiple items anyhow?
halcyon coyote
yes. for example, holy paladins stack ineffable truth 1 several times
unborn wren
for prot warr we'd naturally aim to stack the level 3 of twilight then?
halcyon coyote
twillight scales linearly with corruption level
so td2 is equal to having two td1
both in corruption cost, and in power
unborn wren
awesome
unborn wren
good thing i'm tunnelvisioning only as prot warrior right now
halcyon coyote
so as prot we stack as much td as possible
until high keys were we require versatility to not get oneshot
icy harness
@sweet summit maybe now? 👀
sharp rover
Is it best to mix expedient and TD for a DPS build, since TD scales with haste?
distant crystal
TD scales with haste but not as much as it scales with more TD pieces
2x IT1 and all the TD you can tolerate
and iirc it also scales with versa
main vault
It scales with almost everything
cinder pasture
I'm only missing one for my achievement, can't be bothered pugging it though 😅
steep bone
What pots you're using for nzoth?
slate pilot
@distant crystal Why 2x IT1?
2x IT1 and all the TD you can tolerate
@distant crystal
distant crystal
not really sure what's special about the 60% but that's the meta
if you mean why 2 IT1 instead of 1 IT2, it's because 2 IT1 is more CDR and less corruption than 1 IT2
tribal barn
Hey guys pretty new to discord, how do I find “pins”.
steep bone
it's the icon in the middle
tribal barn
I’m on mobile and it’s not there
steep bone
welcome
warm plinth
60% is just about enough to have Thunder Clap up on every global during Avatar with an IT proc (it's not quite every global but close enough that you might as well wait the extra 10th of a second and you probably won't notice it). It's also more CDR on literally everything else: Avatar, Demo Shout, Last Stand, Shield Wall, Spell Reflection, etc. and as Waat said, it's more of an effect per corruption than running a single Rank 2 IT.
slate pilot
No i just mean having 2 It1s isnt mandatory. For DPS just go full TD
warm plinth
I don't believe he said it was mandatory anywhere
That was just his recommendation to the person who asked. Also, 2x IT1 is 24 corruption vs. TD1 is 25. So it may fit into a budget where TD1 won't.
Can't really turn down having your CDs back faster when all you're giving up is a single TD either.
slate pilot
2x IT1 and all the TD you can tolerate
@distant crystal
You’re right, the word ”mandatory” wasn’t in there. But he is implying that that’s the way to go. Atleast that was my interpretation of it
warm plinth
It is the way to go. A single TD sacrificed for having all of your CDs back faster, even utility spells, is a pretty easy sacrifice to make.
distant crystal
ok so for dmg you want 9x TD3
warm plinth
And again, there may be a point where you can fit in IT where you can't fit in TD
And since IT1 is only 12 corruption, that's pretty likely that you'll at least be able to fit in one where you couldn't fit in another TD
slate pilot
Yeah. Absolutely. But then the suggestion should be ”Go full TD and fill with IT if you cant fit another TD”.
Not go 2x IT1 and then TD
distant crystal
it's almost like
a dps build doesn't mean "dps at all costs"
2x IT1 for any prot build is great with a very tiny corruption cost
warm plinth
Idk whatever. It's a stupid argument. Yes, if you care nothing about anything except for DPS, then use all TD and nothing else.
distant crystal
but the question was basically "do i want some expediant in a TD/dps corruption setup?" and that answer is mostly no
raven knoll
can someone help me quick - whats my job at maut? on mythic?
slate pilot
It depends. How many tanks are you running?
steep bone
depends on assigments
raven knoll
2 tanks i think
steep bone
2tanks with you or without
distant crystal
usually there's an add tank and a boss tank
steep bone
then it's either you're tanking boss or dealing with ads
distant crystal
add tank takes 1 stack off boss on pull and then handles adds all fight
raven knoll
the add guy just pulls them into the black shit on the ground right?
distant crystal
but there's other ways ppl do that fight i'm sure
yeah and feeds them to the boss at times that depend on your group's strat
still pagoda
Yeah. Absolutely. But then the suggestion should be ”Go full TD and fill with IT if you cant fit another TD”.
Not go 2x IT1 and then TD
@slate pilot
IT1 by itself is a great filler
distant crystal
often you tank it in the pool and when a new add is spawning you feed it and go grab the new one, if you're trying to blast the boss superfast sometimes you'll just tank all the adds in pools and never feed
still pagoda
and as you gradually move towards push into 20+ range, it is a great filler to pick up on top of TD5
idle urchin
So I'm basically have become an M+ tank for my guild for keys and I have been struggling to stay alive in the 16-18 bracket this week (our healer is a bit undergeared and is Holy priest tho). Despite that, I feel that I'm squishy on some packs. Is there a resource/guide for the 15-18 bracket about what essences to use for each dungeon (I've read the pinned stuff, wowhead, and icy veins guides already). Or a recommended prot warrior youtuber/streamer I could watch to learn from?
still pagoda
slate pilot
Not disagreeing. Im just saying to not drop TD to fit ITs for damage
warm plinth
"I've read the pinned stuff" smh Karton
steep bone
@idle urchin vop major, warden, conflict, lucid minor all the way up to 20s
raven knoll
@distant crystal thanks for your help. you think the boss tank gets more dmg intake or the add guy?
still pagoda
@\
distant crystal
prob the boss tank
still pagoda
@idle urchin do you have any logs at the moment?
distant crystal
he takes heavy magic dmg stacks
warm plinth
If you've read all of that and still feel squishy, I would suggest you log some M+ runs and then show them to us so we can investigate your gameplay @idle urchin
still pagoda
maybe it is on your side
slate pilot
@idle urchin Im doing 26 ish keys. You can PM me if you got a lot of questions
warm plinth
Since that is most likely what the problem is.
raven knoll
so better give him the boss? since im not that good against magic
steep bone
maut doesn't really do damage
steep bone
i tanked that with like 465 with no problems
raven knoll
okeyokey haha
steep bone
wrathion is worse XD
raven knoll
okey what?
i tanked wrathion and had no struggle
i thought its the easiest of the 3
dmg wise
still pagoda
i tanked wrathion and had no struggle
then you won't have any problems with bosses up to Ilgy
steep bone
idd
distant crystal
the breath on wrathion kinda slaps
steep bone
wrathion with his debuff does more and more damage so easy to get oneshoted if you derp
slate pilot
^
distant crystal
when you press avatar you clear stacks tho
still pagoda
^
steep bone
maut... well maut won't kill you even if you derp
distant crystal
kinda hard to hit 50 as a protwarr
steep bone
oh as debuff i meant breath
raven knoll
to freedom me
still pagoda
heh
idle urchin
Sounds good, I'll log my m+ runs next time. Are there any youtubers/twitch streamers you guys would recommend for M+ prot tanking, so I can learn better pulls and routes as well?
still pagoda
the more you know)
steep bone
procs from vop also clears stacks if you play it
still pagoda
Sounds good, I'll log my m+ runs next time. Are there any youtubers/twitch streamers you guys would recommend for M+ prot tanking, so I can learn better pulls and routes as well?
@idle urchin
Deswind and Nerf
for routes especially
raven knoll
yeah i have it major im going wiht my m+ setup
distant crystal
i mean to try vision major on wrathion the other day but i just ran cruci
does vision proc remove the debuff too?
or only a cast avatar
still pagoda
it does
steep bone
nerftanktv on youtube (he's also twitch streamer) is doing pug runs on low-ish keys so very new people friendly as hes pugging 16s with commentary on what and why he's doing
idle urchin
Tyvm for the info @still pagoda ❤️
raven knoll
talking about nerftank and stuff
where the hell are these ppl at
mdi sitll oging on?
slate pilot
Nerf wasnt streaming but he did keys yesterday iirc
warm sleet
I noticed at that range that kicks became stupidly important. I changed from Pali to my warrior and have been working with my m+ group on kick rotation. Some mobs have a lot of magic damage baked into their abilities that can’t be avoided in waycrest. Learning those helps.
strong forum
should i start uploading my pepegakeys to youtube :kekw:
still pagoda
should i start uploading my pepegakeys to youtube :kekw:
@strong forum
Sure thing bro
strong forum
they will perfectly showcase that you can bruteforce your way into 23s
still pagoda
^
strong forum
with failing a fuckton
still pagoda
just as my shit will showcase that pugs are pure gambling
steep bone
Speaking of pugs, ML with unholy who pumps isnt fun
steep bone
Idd and they were tanking bombs
sharp rover
I'd take dps that pump at the wrong time over dps that never pump at all
I'm so jaded with pug dps this patch
strong forum
you mean claw
still pagoda
ye
strong forum
its happening
still pagoda
ebon hound
But it did work tho
sharp rover
Resto shaman? I thought they were extinct
still pagoda
24 ML
@sweet summit
GZ
what's with your SotS?
maybe we can try pushing it tomorrow?
sweet summit
we can try
obtuse yoke
tfw u get removed from a pug 19 because "no vers"
sweet summit
pog
obtuse yoke
and it's a triple hunter group :omegalul:
guess they watched mdi and know how to gear more than me
regal saddle
Tru
civic rover
there was a post on the wow forums about that
ton of healers saying "BUT YOU NEED VERS"
still pagoda
tfw u get removed from a pug 19 because "no vers"
@obtuse yoke
https://eu.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/psa-stop-kicking-your-prot-warrior-tank-for-not-having-vers-corruptions/165026
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/psa-stop-kicking-your-prot-warrior-tank-for-not-having-vers-corruptions/580776/15
Sign our petition, buddy!
obtuse yoke
i was totally planning to do 5 packs w/ the boss too... on bolstering week
sharp rover
I've never been kicked from any group for not having vers
It might be different for non warrior tanks though
obtuse yoke
guys im pro i have vers
sharp rover
I've definitely seen bdk and vdh get minced in 20s
obtuse yoke
still pagoda
@obtuse yoke
gonna add another IT1 to this at last
since my second one is on hivemind ring
obtuse yoke
i like your gearing
my prot is stuck at 2500 so i don't think i need to pump big versa just yet
obtuse yoke
sharp rover
How do you achieve a 475 shield?
still pagoda
RNG
sharp rover
Heck
sharp rover
475 crit mastery shield is better than 460 haste vers right?
obtuse yoke
i got mine from 2nd week of having a prot warr🙃
still pagoda
still pagoda
10/12 Mythic
sharp rover
Hence me putting avoidant 1 on bracers
obtuse yoke
i think i'm going to start a vers build just so groups dont kick me
then swap 2secondsbefore key
still pagoda
obtuse yoke
i apply to 22s & 23s on my hunter, get rejected
so then i swap to my warr to do 19s & 20s
also to get rejected 😦
obtuse yoke
finding friends is hard
strong forum
so now you can btfo 2iq people and tell em, yo mdi is running TD3 in their 21s
thatll make em listen
r-right?
obtuse yoke
GOT em
@strong forum how would i go about finding reliable push people aside from pugs
jovial saffron
I have my warrior since 3 weeks and dropped 3 pairs of boots.. Rip
strong forum
idk, i brute forced my way into a guild in bfa pre-patch
and started playing with them
and absolutely refused to pug ever
obtuse yoke
im already in a guild but most of them dont do m+
strong forum
you dont have anyone in the guild that you play for fun with?
i play with the same group since 8.0
only changing out the people that fully quit wow
cedar stump
how bad is mastery? I have a 465 belt that's haste/vers or a 465 belt thats mastery/vers but has a socket. is it worth giving up the socket for the haste?
strong forum
its not bad, but the least desirable stat
obtuse yoke
play for fun yes
sharp rover
The problem is mastery is that you get boat loads from bom
obtuse yoke
play to push keys no
strong forum
just play naturally with them
and youll push without noticing
if your goal is absolutely to PUSH PUSH
then its not fun imo
sharp rover
Also shew: ask in guild, advertise in trade chat, pug and add decent players to your friends list, advertise in m+ discords
still pagoda
it is the actual fun and enjoyment
cedar stump
Awesome,t hanks 😄
obtuse yoke
there's only like 2 other people who can do a 22 in my guild
sharp rover
It takes time to build a network for keys
obtuse yoke
there's discords for m+?
strong forum
multiple
sharp rover
They're not amazing but they can help
strong forum
if you have score, you can even join a boosting community and there youll find thousands of people
even if you dont boost
cedar stump
so nomerataur it sounds like the belt with the socket and master is better then because the socket nets me more vers?
sharp rover
Boost as in do sales?
cedar stump
cool thanks!
strong forum
yes Precious
sharp rover
strong forum
in boosting communities such as Gallywix youll find thousands of players better than you
and you can find groups to play with
sharp rover
It's always a weird feeling to be the worst player in a group
strong forum
definetely, especially if youre the tank
but someones gotta do it
and that way you learn to get better way faster
civic rover
and if you do have the score to boost it's a very efficient way to make gold
i boosted in legion for a smaller community and i'm still filthy rich from it
sharp rover
What kind of score do you need? I'm 2.8k
strong forum
2.8k should net you privilege to boost +15s
civic rover
that's more than enough
strong forum
unless youre leather
civic rover
last i heard it was 2.4k to boost
strong forum
leather needs 3k score in the small one im in
civic rover
but yeah all the other people in my key group i met from that small community
probably a dumb question but why does leather need 3k?
civic rover
ah that makes hella sense actually
jovial saffron
2.9k required to boost 15 in nova and 2.4 to boost 10-14
strong forum
nova :monkas:
jovial saffron
Gallywix requirement for 15 is higher.. 3.1k I think
civic rover
did it go up recently? i remember it being 2.4k but maybe that's for 10s
jovial saffron
Boosting m+is free golds, you just need to do a mythic without worrying of finding key and a good group
strong forum
dont join nova though :kekw:
warm plinth
@still pagoda Holy shit my post blew the fuck up. It had 1 reply when I looked at it yesterday 😂
civic rover
ghash i really wanted to add to the discussion but some of those people just aren't the type you can argue with
jovial saffron
Only issue is that being plate armor stacking require to play melee team and some weeks are cancer... @strong forum why not? I'm in both and nova is better experience so far
warm plinth
ghash i really wanted to add to the discussion but some of those people just aren't the type you can argue with
@civic rover Yeah, though tbh for the most part they're being far nicer to each other than I would have expected.
Also idk about EU but NA has 3500 req for 15s now; we don't separate based on armor type and such like EU does though, so I'm sure theirs are different somewhat.
(For Gallywix)
crude notch
Yeah Horde plate EU is 3k
strong forum
uhm.. cuz nova is scamming buyers, undercutting other communities by alot, literally stealing buyers away willfully not paying boosters and holding them hostage
made mass efforts to mute and ban advertisers for other communities
and so on
civic rover
don't those bigger communities sell their gold cuts
jovial saffron
I'm not aware of those problems but I've always being payed regularly
strong forum
they also stole spreadsheets and pricelist formats
its also prohibited from most other communities to be in nova and their community nowadays
surprised youre still in gally if youre in nova and gally
warm plinth
Again, not sure how EU side works since there are differences, but on NA you can be a booster in as many communities as you want; you just can't advertise for other communities (only Gallywix/personal/guild sales)
still pagoda
@still pagoda Holy shit my post blew the fuck up. It had 1 reply when I looked at it yesterday 😂
@warm plinth
Look onto EU thread
warm plinth
Yeah idk the deal with the tanks I saw who were talking about non-warriors when I specifically mention warriors in the post
Like idk shit about other tanks except a little about VDH
Who also don't stack vers
strong forum
but hey, only 4 more months of this bullshittery
and then its onto bullshit conduits
which is this, but 10x more
"which covenant should i play, which soulbinds which conduit, why this why not that" but with 1.3k different choices 🙂
civic rover
complication go brrr
still pagoda
warm plinth
inb4 SoulbindWeights addon
warm plinth
Yep
ionic fern
still pagoda
ionic fern
I get a head ache just thinking about that stuff.
strong forum
yea... TC's are majorly fucked
warm plinth
Have fun Mwahi
ionic fern
Need to bring back the "Feelycrafter" name and just roll with it.
strong forum
at that point you'll need a proper salary from blizzard for the conduits alone
warm plinth
lol
obtuse yoke
that's a selling community though
strong forum
yes
theres not only selling going on there
also tons of people looking for keys / groups
still pagoda
https://discord.gg/gallywix link to their disc if you wonder @obtuse yoke
warm plinth
If you're on NA, it's just selling. We don't have channels for group finding
distant crystal
kinda weirdchamp that the horde one has less peeps
i guess they don't need a discord as badly
still pagoda
there's 10 times more keys floating on horde
sweet summit
inted a 25 FH 
still pagoda
rigid sinew
imagine playing alliance
onyx vessel
exotic spoke
Imagine not having the best racials for m+
warm plinth
Isn't it? There's just no players on that side 😂
still pagoda
😩
crude notch
🔬
shadow wagon
I have kind of a weird question
still pagoda
Imagine not having the best racials for m+
@exotic spoke
You mean Arcane Torrent and Nose for Trouble
shadow wagon
I'm torn atm for what corruptions to buy. Originally I was gonna buy full expedients for arms and it wouldn't be terrible for prot, but I have no plans to go back to raiding before prepatch when corruptions will be gone anyway, so there's no real reason for me to max out arms anyway. I could buy TDs for prot to sell keys with and build up gold for SL, or I could go vers for arms pvp and be able to pull like an ape in 15 sales as prot.
shadow wagon
but there's no secondary benefit, it would only be for prot
pine lotus
do i shield block during last stand
shadow wagon
no
sweet summit
for SS damage, sure
warm plinth
Generally you don't in M+ because the point of Last Stand is to extend your block uptime and if you use Shield Block during that window, you're not really doing that.
pine lotus
thank you
main vault
Fake Cyous
pine lotus
no shit
main vault
😆
still pagoda
sweet summit
i am
crude notch
Yeah but let's be real which of you are doing it because the content you're doing requires you to and which of you are doing it because you have an addiction.
tame gale
Is it only worth enchanting ring/weapons for m+ as prot? I never see anything about other enchants
sweet summit
there are no other relevant enchants
still pagoda
there are no other relevant enchants
@sweet summit @tame gale there is one ultraturborelevant enchant for paladin tho
Swift Hearthing
sweet summit
lmfao
still pagoda
♿
@warm plinth reading through NA thread right now. This paladin is an epitome of a meme. Who the fuck would stack Bulwark of Light?
It is a good trait, but inspiring vanguard outclasses it
crude notch
Uh defensively, most paladins
still pagoda
Heh
sweet summit
what is a defense
crude notch
Primary stat in BfA lul
sweet summit
worldvein major 📈
crude notch
Yeah to simp for your minute mage
sweet summit
TRUEE
still pagoda
Ok,
/Focus [@Ergaw-TarrenMill]
/Cast Formless Void
strong forum
fury 👉 🚪
sweet summit
shush old man
still pagoda
Welcome to TD then
still pagoda
tawny lotus
hey boys can you spell reflect the marauders in siege cursed cleave or w/e its called that gives the stacking dmg increase debuff?
warm plinth
I think so? But I'm not 100% on that. It's a good idea to use SR on them either way since it's not blockable.
raven knoll
how much more survivabilty gives me versa gear? like without taking % versa is it even worth prioritising? for m+
shut summit
@tawny lotus yes
warm sleet
Fortified Kong’s rest is brutal.
void hill
is the correct aoe priority Thunder Clap, Shield Slam, Revenge?
wet fable
Revenge with proc
olive gust
already having TD r3, not enough corruption resitance or the fund to get TD 1 before it goes byebye, should i stack expedient or IT?
for 15-19's
warm plinth
I would grab a couple IT1s on Tuesday (or Wednesday if you're EU)
cinder pasture
You could buy more TD and just keep it in your bags aswell, don't have to apply it to your gear right away 😛
timber crown
what uptime should a prot warrior have at teh end of a dungeon on IP and SB?
~50 IP and ~85 SB?
steep bone
Depends
you use IP either against magical damage or to spend rage and prevent overcapping
timber crown
sure
WM
well i just had the hardest time healing a warrior ever
an a WM 18
and he had 45% uptime on each, so i'm guessing that's why
was jw
warm plinth
45% uptime on either of those things is low, even though that's not a great metric to look at.
timber crown
sure, there's always variables, was just trying to figure out why he was getting TRUCKED on normal pulls
so it makes sense
tawny lotus
Ty ❤️
warm plinth
There are some dangerous pulls in Waycrest even if they are blocking. Like the toads in sisters room can surprise you. Same with spit on maggots if they're not spell reflecting like they should
Shadow cleave on guards is pretty spicy too
royal mirage
whats the best race of prot warr in mythic + horde side?
main vault
BE
mellow patio
Daily reminder that panda is 🐐
steep bone
Panda i think 
civic rover
Belf, panda, vulpera, maybe troll?
royal mirage
Why panda
steep bone
Double food buff effect and also incap
craggy kestrel
Hey guys
Just came back to WoW after 1.5 year
Trying to figure out where to start with my prot warrior
steep bone
Depends what do You mean by starting with prot warrior
chilly brook
left sedge
how many solo runs of visions can i do of just killing end boss before i have to do a side zone?
woeful estuary
Is it worth replacing my haste corruption for TD?
I have a 9% and 12% haste
and it'd be replaced with the TD corruption the 6% I believe
left sedge
do we want the vertaility corrupt or only stack td ?
woeful estuary
I'm only running 15's
Would the haste corruption benefit me more? or the TD stack
main vault
cinder nova
Doing a 30-tank run what's the best essence setup for DPS? I don't have strife yet
Major: Cruicible
Minor: SotW, Visions, but I can't decide if the rage recovery from Memory is better than the strength from Formless.
hallow phoenix
you could sim it 😮
left sedge
touch of the everlasting even worth the grind? or am i better of using vision of perfection, aegis, and crucible/anima ?
sweet summit
Probably not
But do not use anima
sweet summit
Very very very very very bad
Everlasting is niche
Sometimes used in very very high keys
Other than that, no real uses really
left sedge
oh cause my hunters guild master told me i should use everlasting for tanking cara/nzoth on heroic
thats why i wondered
sweet summit
Thats a bait
hallow phoenix
thats like not having a major essence at all
left sedge
well i dont have nullification yet either xD
coarse radish
Touch only functions if you die and the cost of getting that cheat death is any other major and majors are good. You're better off using anything else unless you have some weird specific death strat.
Minor is
mmm
left sedge
okay. casue i have vision as major with aegis anima and formless void as minors
ive got breath of dying unlocked on my hunter at r3 but not on the warr as i dont have the echos yet to buy it
sweet summit
Do you have anything other than anima?
Aegis isnt very strong in raids as there are few mobs around you
left sedge
i have crucible r3 and then anima r2, conflict/strife, strength of warden, ripple worldvein and touch of everlasting all r1
coarse radish
I wanna know why they want you with it specifically for cara and n'zoth
sweet summit
If tanks dont die they cant wipe
left sedge
no idea i was just told i should use that /boggle
coarse radish
If it's just H I can't imagine you're being trucked that hard
sweet summit
Do you have sphere at all?
left sedge
i have blood of the enemy unlocked at r3 but not sphere no
coarse radish
"ok get MCd and then we'll kill you and you'll be back"
I actually have no idea how that functions with that
sweet summit
Pepelaff
sweet summit
Work on getting lucid and cns and sphere
coarse radish
oh my god I should join a pug with that to see
steep bone
Hello frens warriors
still pagoda
i have blood of the enemy unlocked at r3 but not sphere no
@left sedge BotE would be a good pick only if it was usable by tanks
Good minor with decent amounts of raw haste and really good dps major
trim bay
85 percent sb uptime is good
sweet summit
Irrelevant
Did you block hard hits/"tank bsters:? How much was the %blocked hits?
onyx vessel
Shit i just use shield block for ss dmg
👍
My shield block uptime is about 60% overall in a dungeon
queen mantle
this is a general question, but since prot uses alchemist stone now, if im trying to craft the unbound stone, but i already have the upgraded void focus, it should be ok right?
wraith prism
Does versatile+ineffable corruption build have much value in Mythic Raiding compared to TD build?
I am 3/12m at the moment, just started mythic raiding this week.
Still unsure if I’ll be a high keyer
stiff oracle
Youre just tankier
But you shouldnt have any problems living in raid
Id just run td5 tbh
woven trench
Hey, what is the best Essence and Trinket Setup for pushing to 15. I’m totally new to ranking but I have a lot of fun with it.
stiff oracle
You can run VoP major, CnS minor, sotw minor and lucid/whatever
You dont play merektas fang if youre pushing to get a 15 done lol
stiff oracle
Mans gonna flop instantly when he presses it
stiff oracle
Right
onyx vessel
Eh even spread of dmg
stiff oracle
Thats an insanrly bad tip for someone trying to intime 15s
If youre speesing through them its another story
ionic fern
I wouldn't advise running fang either unless you know what you're doing with it.
onyx vessel
sweet summit
Mwahi why am i bad please help
sweet summit
Yes :(
ionic fern
I will give you a master tip right now..the one way to NEVER deplete a key.
sweet summit
Oh shit true
onyx vessel
I did a 19 fh my guilds healer is panicking cuz we pulled 2 obby final boss
onyx vessel
Im like wait what this does dmg
sweet summit
onyx vessel
ionic fern
Yes.
sweet summit
I see
ionic fern
Quality advice.
sweet summit
Thank you very much
ionic fern
What key did you mess up tho?
ionic fern
:(
onyx vessel
That sucks
sweet summit
I blame the healer for not outhealing oneshots
ionic fern
Reasonable.
onyx vessel
Happens
sweet summit
Yeh