aegis tbh
#protection
sweet summit
kind spindle
Thanks
sick sentinel
how easy would it be to spec from fury to protection?
do u have weapon/shield?
no
should i do mythic + as protection to get them?
like loot spec
set loot to prot, and kill shit till u get purple weapon/shield
you can get loot tons of places
would fury gear hurt protection or would i be okay?
you caught up with most essences and cloak>?
slender nova
Prot just needs TD
sick sentinel
im still leveling cloak and have full essences and have some protection essences rn
slender nova
and haste
sick sentinel
okay, set loot to prot, do content untill u get a purple 1h and shield
pvp, raid, dungeon
ok thanks
if a WQ says weapon cache shield can be in it
equipment not
alright
cinder nova
Ah, that's clever. Will it be up for every crush?
sweet summit
if you dont use it anywhere else, yes
autumn cliff
Is it better to buy 3 Vers1 and a TD1 at 465? or buy 2Vers 2 and a TD1
sweet summit
depends on what you're looking to do
if you wanna stack vers, wait for vers 3 to come up
if you dont want to stack vers, dont buy vers imo
autumn cliff
i mean personally my secondary stats are pretty lack luster, 25% crit, 25 Haste, 26% mastery, and 10% vers
im not sure if the vers will do much if i get it
but i know the TD will\
sweet summit
probably not, 10% isnt a very large amount before amps
more TD will probably be better
ineffable rank 1 is a great filler. we like to use two rank 1 ineffable for m+
autumn cliff
right but that doesnt come around til tuesday
i mean my char just got to 465 my group of guys can barely be pushin 9s, so im essentially looking for a power surge to help us push a little higher
sick sentinel
imma get that damn mecha jy weapon tuesday 475 i know it
sick sentinel
game memeing on me, i have the 475 mechashield
sweet summit
but also, TD1 is overpriced
sick sentinel
save for td2 on 24th
autumn cliff
yeah i only got like 16k echos to play with
sweet summit
so dunno about buying it. would rather buy rank 2 or 3
sick sentinel
td2 bigger
autumn cliff
ok so just save up til tuesday for 2 IT1 and TD2 when it drops in two weeks?
sweet summit
sounds like a good plan chief
sick sentinel
TD BIS up to +22 keys, and probably good for a ton of raid bosses
autumn cliff
yeah ive been forced to off spec for my heroic runs, they dont want me tanking until i hit rank 15 cape
and can afford higher corruptions
so im guessing that in two weeks ill be there and can carry that weight
sick sentinel
i got +83 cr cloak atm
autumn cliff
yeah im really lackin
i just got rare killer research
so im gonna start pushin full clears
autumn cliff
also whats the intercept mouseover macro?
cinder nova
/use [@mouseover,help,nodead][help,nodead][]Intercept
thank you very much
cinder nova
Sorry, remove that = at the front
That should be the right one.
It charges your current target unless you have your cursor on a valid target.
sick sentinel
come think of it, what is the best 1 hand weapon i can get
cinder nova
Mythic sward off wrath with its corruption
sick sentinel
mythic wrathion 475?
cinder nova
I have a 445 version and it does more DPS than my 470 mace.
Which doesn't surprise me.
cinder nova
Sim it.
For Drest, should a tank be trying to pick up an orb when and where they can so while they tank him they get their damage to stick?
Probably not. Seed CD is shorter than the time of the buff ay?
strong forum
tanks shouldnt pick up orbs ever
the only job a tank has on that fight is deliver the debuffs onto adds
thats it
still pagoda
You won't be able to pick them up anyway if DPS don't slack
strong forum
S.
still pagoda
strong forum
the corruption on Wrathion sword isnt terrible, but its not even close to being strong
@cinder nova
its literally just a worse TD1
still pagoda
I have a 445 version and it does more DPS than my 470 mace.
@cinder nova
Probably just because you're not utilizing all corruption budget on TD and didn't cleanse wrath weapon
25 ilvl is a huge DPS bump on a weapon
cinder nova
With what TD, dude?
I don't have any other TD.
Why lose DPS right now as I wait?
cinder nova
Guaranteed I wont have enough echoes. I'm trying to get my corruption resistance up before I fuck around with getting TD to slap onto gear so I can just use my 2 R3s.
At 1845 atm
Isn't R1 5K?
still pagoda
6250
cinder nova
Pff
strong forum
you can get 10k echoes per week
by just doing visions, weekly m+, pvp chest and emissaries
and TD2 is 10k echoes
olive gust
anyone know how to make the ZT tracker, noogies front end use elvui timers instead of having to get Omnicc, i now have double timers on my action bars
still pagoda
Same as with all WA's iirc
Don't remember how it is done through elvui tho
@cinder nova IT1 also returns next reset. So i think you can stockpile a bit for it. I would personally drop wrath weapon and use 470 one no matter what(main stats and weapon dps are just good and it is a good base to slap somthing onto it like IT1). Like, running TD3-4 and 1-2xIT1 is good to untill you don't have any way to get your hands on TD3+TD2 for slot efficiency
cinder nova
You guys might not get what I said - I'm using echoes on my cloak to catch up to the current week of corruption resistance before fiddling with extra corruption affixes. In the intervening time I'll probably come across something useful and worthwhile that's dropped on its own.
And since I already have R6 TD going at that corruption is immediately contributing to that.
Also - it looks like R9 TD is basically required to parse.
strong forum
Parsing is rip
You need insane kill times, and in those killtimes you need to get lucky
But yeah, tanks are running upwards of 80 corruption to parse
cinder nova
That's bananas.
strong forum
🤷♂️ it's easy enough, might aswell do it
cinder nova
Sidenote - I see a lot of higher-end raiders socketing crit/haste
What's that about?
strong forum
Cuz it's more dps
cinder nova
Is there some kind of balance?
strong forum
Nop
clever sleet
is dropping 20ilvls for rank 1 TD worth it ?
cinder nova
Mmmh.
And the general rule of thumb is that if you aren't dying, or in danger of such, shift gears towards DPS?
cinder nova
Right.
strong forum
The times of "tanks only need to eat dmg" are long gone
Outside of the highest of keys
cinder nova
I've been doing pugs to get my AOTC since I quit after CE Ghuun and I've been more or less hilting damage the entire time because Heroic and Normal mechanics make me fall asleep.
strong forum
Cuz those are the only instances that warrant actually gearing defensively
Even mythic raiding you don't go defensive
cinder nova
Is mythic Nya that boring?
strong forum
Every tier has been like that
cinder nova
The GCD change peed on you guys hard
clever sleet
yep and no more blooddrinker :(\
strong forum
Anyways, you always Max out dps for raiding unless it's a very niche scenario or you're undeageard like in a WF scenario
Or you suck 
cinder nova
Or your healers suck
strong forum
Well if that's the case, scream at them
cinder nova
I'm still buttmad they didn't make the artifact power a talent
Fuck me
One-manning Mythic Taesch was peak warrior
strong forum
I mean, currently we just press avatar
And boom, you're almost guaranteed to crit block
cinder nova
Yeah, but it's not 98%
Blocking 19M damage in a single swing and walking out of it above 80% HP just felt
strong forum
Well... You still do that currently if you crit block with a 475 shield :)
cinder nova
Do you? What's mastery look like at 475?
strong forum
With 3x bom and avatar 90%
strong forum
I mean. Its 90% chance for 20 seconds that your blocks will critblock
Pretty op if you ask me
cinder nova
Do you... need Deafening Crash if you're using Devastator?
strong forum
Not for parsing
cinder nova
Yeah that's what I was thinking.
cinder nova
Oh it's yuge
Just was thinking about it yesterday and it occurred to me I stop using Demo on CD and started using it as a defensive.
And then I was wondering why I didn't have my 465 chest that had BoM on it on.
strong forum
Well if you play devastator for raid you can do that
cinder nova
Because my DC piece is 450
If I ever swing back into mythic I'll probably fall back into BV because it's a prog talent unless the group has some stuff on farm already.
Warrior's fucked me up. I can't play other tanks anymore. They feel like whackamole.
The rage engine just feels so good and intuitive from a design standpoint and a player one
cinder nova
They fucking us up again?
Because they trashcanned us at the start of BFA.
God warrior felt dogshit then
cinder nova
I mean loss of 5 rage devastator just sucked and the GCD change crippled a lot of our responsiveness to danger.
IP on the GCD
yuck
cinder nova
The problem was that it slowed the high octane play of the class down, and it felt sluggish comparatively, plus the gear crunch and shitty stats from leveling exaggerated it.
Also pre-now ITF
With current ITF it's much nicer
strong forum
You mean "pre-friendlies count too" ITF
cinder nova
Yeah.
strong forum
Kinda forgot bout that ngl
cinder nova
It's easy to forget in bliss.
strong forum
I just don't hate as much on stuff as others do
Except BDK and Fury War
That I hate
cinder nova
I actually was a paladin main for like... all of BC through WoD
strong forum
And mages and rogues
cinder nova
But the change to it in Legion made me quit and go warr
Made it feel like I was just hitting buttons as they lit up.
strong forum
So, same as now
cinder nova
Yeah paladin has had very few revisions.
It's why I avoid it and bear.
Bear is the worst.
HOLY FUCK
I could literally fall asleep playing bear mid-combat.
I have, actually.
strong forum
It's comfy
Tbh
Not much to worry about, just slap and stare at the dmg meter
And in aoe laugh that you have 100k armor
Or well 85k
limpid pawn
23 freehold, no verse
strong forum
Ye
limpid pawn
It was iffy for big pulls
strong forum
Really?
limpid pawn
With big bolster bois yes
cinder nova
Bolster makes my bridge itch
limpid pawn
I’m working on my vers set
strong forum
I'll buy full vers3 next time it's around
And then fall asleep in keys
I cba bfa
So I commit to turtle and piss off
novel ruin
You dislike BFA @strong forum ?
novel ruin
As someone who came back to the game in Nov and hadn’t played since Cata, I’m loving it. Raids are engaging during progression and M+ is the best system an MMO has imo.
strong forum
Sure, but I've played all of bfa since beta
I'm tired of TC memes, corruptions and essences
And dungeon design
strong forum
Na, for the first time since cata, I haven't
Currently only doing weekly m+ and Vision tho
It's great not playing the game
novel ruin
Not a bad time to do so since we are prob at least 2 months if not 3 away from pre-patch
strong forum
3-4months ye
novel ruin
Unless you are interested in getting into Beta SL
Once I get to my goal of 5kio I’ll prob take a break
cursive prawn
Ever since the corruption vendor was introduced, this patch has been excellent imo. Wish it was available from the start.
grand drum
Ive liked playing warrior throughout bfa, (especially season 2 prot) but bfa as a whole I dont like.
strong crescent
The vendor resets at 8pm pst ya?
civic rover
I think BFA was just flawed. There’s some cool stuff in it like the dungeons and the raids have cool fights but there’s just so much other stuff that’s unfun to the point of making the expansion just feel awful
dry bridge
Whats the best way to learn dungeon routes?
dry bridge
I mean I'm doing 21s but I feel like there's more optimal pathing to take
icy harness
You make routes based on your team comp
Just have a cd tracker
Pull big for cds
And use MDT to make sure you get 100%
You should know which packs you'll have cds on and such
If you want full optimal you can use speed pots, snap and such but it's minor compared to just not wiping
You should know which things to skip if you're doing 21s
Motherlode scientists, raider on siege and such
Other dungeons are pretty streamlined
Other than maybe Freehold since massive % or junkyard there isn't that much variation
Just keep in mind that if you want to time something the requirements are basically
-pull more than 2 mobs
-don't full wipe
Not timing due to low damage isn't really a thing anymore
Everyone shreds now
It's just a matter of pulling properly and sensibly
novel ruin
@limpid pawn No secondary stats makes this worse than equal ilvl stuff with secondary stats
shadow wagon
475 scale 465 rezan 460 vita
which 2
grand drum
Scale vita
novel ruin
just for dps @royal rune Has no defensive benefit
sick sentinel
is it worth gearing before shadowlands? like idk if its worth gearing my fresh 120s and all that.
steep bone
You still have good few months
sick sentinel
i just dont know how much of it translates into shadowlands
and now with corruption going away
steep bone
Well if you want to play - play
starting with gear will help you with first few levels
onyx vessel
Dont expect sl to be out by end of this year
quiet helm
Why would the 460 be better than 475? I thought the higher item level is the most important
onyx vessel
Still got atleast 5 months
quiet helm
Sorry I meant 460 over the 465
steep bone
@sick sentinel like look, I geared myself to 475 with td and such in less than 2 months of not nolife grinding without any help with boosting or anything
onyx vessel
Matters what it is
steep bone
because it's vita, and vita is gigabis
onyx vessel
Nah
onyx vessel
Only bis is nzoth trinket tbh
quiet helm
Yeah the trinkets
onyx vessel
Alch trinket for high keys
steep bone
steep bone
with fang you're vurneable tho
steep bone
quiet helm
So should I use the one I have from normal over a 465 jes bower or vial animated blood?
steep bone
you're making people confused by trolling
steep bone
fang is good memes tho
steep bone
sadly i only got it once and on 430 >.> when i was doing my m0 run after hittin 120 lmao
memes as in it's damage is giga
xD
onyx vessel
With wall up you will be fine
Most of the time i use scale plus shell
Str = more dmg and ignore pain
Haste is w.e
sick sentinel
any news what is going to happen with cloaks when corruption goes away? any value?
steep bone
im pretty sure you're gonna still have stat proc
swift moon
ugh so sick of trying 5 masks and getting killed in last area
steep bone
don't overpull there, take elite alone
if you're doing it right you should have all 3 orbs in last zone
swift moon
i usually am yeah i have like 1 left usually
and my death is like a one shot normally
steep bone
there's nothing to oneshot you
unless you make mistake and get stunned or chain stunned
and only dangerous part is that crawling elite around mage tower it's annoying af
but you can try your luck and proc gift on something before you engage it so you're not gonna lose sanity to fails
(I assume mage district is your final zone)
swift moon
yeah typically
crucible of flame major, vop, sotw and anima for minor
dont have conflict
steep bone
oof
swift moon
yeah i know fail on my part lol
steep bone
i would say you can drums it
swift moon
oh crap drums i forgot those
steep bone
as final boss is snoozefest you're not fighting it more than you actually do
and then there's that food that restores 100 sanity
swift moon
yeah i need that instead of the stun one probably
steep bone
you can pull that elite to some corner and when he's gonna do breath LoS it
mystic finch
which would be a better trinket to equip between 475 dragonscale and 460 vita?
novel ruin
@mystic finch Whats your 2nd trinket? Vita is better than 475 Scale
mystic finch
n'zoth's
novel ruin
If you dont need the defensive benefit of Nzoth trinket, I would go both Vita and Scale. Its what I use in 23/24s
novel ruin
Those 3 are top 3 for Prot, use what you like. Just realize that double haste trinket will be better than Nzoth trinket depending on content level.
steep bone
Im using nzoth because i dont trust pugs and it saved my ass a few good times
steep bone
And also it saved me sometimes from my own mistakes so id rather live than wipe group
novel ruin
^ is major reason
fringe gate
do i need to buy versa 2 or just waiting till versa 3 is up (i have no vers corruption)
steep bone
my bane of underrot has expired @still pagoda @sweet summit
obtuse yoke
should i be scared?
blazing condor
Big pog
thin cedar
Hey question.. I’m new to warrior tanking.. 3.3k io tank main so I’m not a complete idiot.. but I’m trying to fully understand block.. should I be stacking avatar with 3x BoM and shield block or should they be spread out separate? In reference to trying to keep up AM
sacred nexus
anyone got a link to that spreadsheet showing proc rate on humming vs vita?
lyric shadow
Can I get some suggestions from you guys about my character equip enchantments etc https://raider.io/characters/eu/eredar/Vjera ? Thanks in advance
cyan bluff
Anyone got a good SoB MDT route for Alliance they could share for this week?
royal rune
IT1 x 2 is the go right?
strong forum
Equip a haste ring instead of your vers3 +vers/mastery ring @lyric shadow. You hardly have any vers so the vers3 is virtually useless. Especially since you're doing quite low keys, youre better off stacking TD and haste/crit
2x IT1 is the play yes jezza.
Restoba you should also look into replacing Cof minor with lucid/sphere/aegis
you should replace weapon enchant with force multiplies, deadly nav is a weird choice.
You should also reforge your shoulders ASAP to bom + meticulous scheming, it's one of the best traits in the game
wooden geyser
yo yo i am prot warr in the midd range of keys 18-20, trying to push more and waiting on corruptions
recently switched memory of lucid dreams for aegis of the deep but i struggle with rage generation
should i focus on more haste or just wait for IF next week and things will get better?
right now i have 1160 haste
strong forum
That is WAY too low
Haste is your most important stat
How can it be this low?
Also even then you shouldn't really struggle with rage gen, are you sure you're prioritising shield slam and thunderclap and not needlessly wasting rage?
wooden geyser
i use revenge 99% of the the time when it's proced
strong forum
Are you by chance double downing on " vers > haste" with full vers sockets and corruptions? If so, stop doing that. In 18-20 nothing scratches, full vers is for +25
wooden geyser
i guess i might be spending too much on ignore pain
strong forum
You shouldn't focus on using revenge.
wooden geyser
i am not
strong forum
Ya then maybe you're just spamming into IP
wooden geyser
i use it only on procs
strong forum
Like, there's no point into using IP when it's still up and you're not about to ragecap
But yeah, 1.1k haste is like 700 haste too low
And thats just the bare minimum
misty shoal
The wildfire patches on the ground in WCM, do they scale with key level? Aka should I drag the effigiy hounds and thornguard into them?
strong forum
They scale with key level yes
wooden geyser
i've got a binch of 475 vers/mastery items, should i just farm dungeons for 465 vers/haste ones?
strong forum
On Ring yes
wooden geyser
my rings are seal of regal loa and thornweave band
strong forum
Yikes
Then go equip some god damn haste, vers/mastery is the worst stat combination you could have besides crit/mastery
So yeah, go get those 465 haste ones
wooden geyser
i also have vers/crit boots but i keep them for TD til rotation for vers corruption comes cuz i am already at 0 corruption 😄
wooden geyser
well it's a 7days played at 120 char, some of that on previous patch
trying my best with what i have
silent hamlet
Hey guys, I cant find a specific informations about stats in the pinned articles. I am trying to run Haste/Crit for M+ (I am around 12-15) and safe some higher versatile gear. Not raiding mythic, so gear doesnt care there. Am I doing it right?
strong forum
yes
silent hamlet
Stacking TD atm, trying to get some IT rank 1 soon
Is going over 60 Corruption as a tank bad? Until now the Things from Beyond seem to not let me drop really hard
strong forum
over 60 is a big nonono
strong forum
perfectly fine
lyric shadow
@strong forum thanks man
winter loom
Do you guys also experience the bug that people see you as a lower ilvl than you have in lfg?
prisma compass
no, never been in lfr 😄
winter loom
not lfr but when u pug for keys
prisma compass
oh, don't think so. sometimes people show as 0 for some reason
solid coral
Debating going prot for some keys just for fun. I have a big td corruption, what other corruptions does usually want? Td and expedient ?
steep bone
td and IT
solid coral
Is expedient at least decent? Just looking for a happy medium so I don’t have to@change much going from arms to prot
This is an alt so I’m not min maxing
steep bone
for lower keys it doesnt really matter
but haste is okay
depends on + you're planning to do
wooden geyser
btw is it only me or eu servers are rly bad the past few days, i've seen a lot of ppl dc randomly
raven knoll
anyone knowing if these worms from underrot have stealth detection?
strong forum
afaik they dont
loud shoal
nothing in underrot has stealth detection except matron
raven knoll
thx!
winter plume
What is my rough m+ threshold at 335-340 ilevel?
strong crescent
0-2 lol
335-340 is what straight after hitting 120?
You can’t even do heroics at that ilvl I don’t think
zinc jackal
Hey guys, lets say I'm geared to 476ish on my Prot Warrior, and I wanted start progressing into mythic n'yalotha with my guild/team. Is stacking TD still viable (with the 1 IT), or is stacking versatility with two level 1 IT's recommended?
strong crescent
Start running 0s to get all your Azeroth pieces
winter plume
And no - I was about 400 flat after hitting 120
winter plume
Oh yeah. LOL. Sorry about that. no wonder you guys were like "WTF"
strong crescent
At 440 you can do up to 5-7 comfortably
winter plume
Okay, cool. I'll crank it up to 5 and see where I am. Appreciate it. Just don;'t want to piss any groups off my getting over my head
strong crescent
Just run a bunch of 5s you’ll be fine
winter plume
TY!
strong crescent
Once those are easy move up again
still pagoda
335-340 is what straight after hitting 120?
@strong crescent
you can easily do M0's in that ilvl
strong crescent
As you go higher just focus more on keeping your defensives up
strong crescent
His ilvl is 440 not 330
still pagoda
just don't hesitate to get higher and learn the class
strong crescent
It’s comfortable if you have a good healer
winter plume
Okay. Thanks again! I've been conservative as people are dicks if you mess something up.
still pagoda
#268491842637660160 and pins in this chat
if they are dicks
be even more of a dick
winter plume
But am unable to get upgrades in 0-3 that I have been comfortable in
still pagoda
#HawgzLivesMatter
strong crescent
Ya try and know your routes before blowing peoples keys up
novel ruin
You can tank 10s comfortably at 440
winter plume
Nah - I know the pathing and fight mechanics(Especially the annoying ones). Just a matter of survivability
zinc jackal
Hey guys, lets say I'm geared to 476ish on my Prot Warrior, and I wanted start progressing into mythic n'yalotha with my guild/team. Is stacking TD still viable (with the 1 IT), or is stacking versatility with two level 1 IT's recommended?
@zinc jackal
strong crescent
Once you get above 10 people get toxic about that shit
winter plume
my raider.io is pretty non-existent as I am returning so that doesn't help. lol
So it helps when I tank things smoothly
novel ruin
@winter plume Always push your key.
winter plume
I'll give some 10's a shot. my rotation seems in a decent spot - great uptime on shield block, etc
Okay @novel ruin . Good advice. That way if I blow it up it's on me
novel ruin
@zinc jackal raid go straight TD
winter plume
I've been having a blast with prot tank. It feels a lot better than in was in legion
strong crescent
Prot is the most enjoyable of the tanks from my experience
zinc jackal
@novel ruin Whats the verdict with Versatility vs TD in mythic n'ya?
winter plume
Again - This discord has been a fantastic resource. Thank you everyone for helping out a returning scrub 🙂
novel ruin
If you push your key, you’ll be able to fill near instantly
novel ruin
@zinc jackal Vers not needed in Nya
zinc jackal
oh kk
novel ruin
And if anyone tells you too, they are stupid. Major mechanic happens just use a defensive.
cobalt cloud
when do you guys like to use shield block?
cobalt cloud
cause i like keeping my rage to spam cast ignore pain if i dont need to be using it, to take advantage of booming voice and get avatar back
sweet summit
ignore pain should not be used instead of shield block in 99% of all situations
ignore pain is mostly just used to spend rage
novel ruin
Shield block is your main mitigation tool. Use it. Ignore pain is a filler
spice pivot
If I'm just getting my tank gear started which are the best corruptions I should look out for at the vendor?
sweet summit
TD rank 2 or 3
grand drum
TD
spice pivot
I got plenty of td
sweet summit
IT rank 1
spice pivot
i know of it from being dps but im unsure of the tank specific ones
IT and TD are givens
:p
I heard of like Expediant or something
and Just vers stacking
sweet summit
then nothing, unless you are going to stack versatile
spice pivot
I dunno
grand drum
Thats it
sweet summit
expedient is a good filler
spice pivot
Gotta do something with corruption I guess righT?
sweet summit
more TD
spice pivot
Just see alot of tanks doing good dmg because fo corruption but i guess TD yeah
Is TD4 okay atm on tank?
33 corruption
sweet summit
sure?
novel ruin
TD > IT R1 X2 >>>>>Expedient(filler) > Vers (filler)for any key below 24
@spice pivot
shadow wagon
If I had full expedient from maiming arms how bad would it be for prot?
I have 34% base haste atm with no expedients and just waiting for vendor to rotate on Tuesday
sweet summit
suboptimal, but playable
red fern
Do u need to stack vers for 24 and above?
woeful estuary
What % of haste would you guys say is a good number to have
chilly brook
@shadow wagon it'd be fun, but you'd be better served stacking TD
@woeful estuary the amount of haste you can get
@red fern its probably where you would start considering it
A lot of people recommend considering it around 23 plus but iirc Naowh's writeup also mentions not really needing it until 25+
potent bear
any advice on dealing with Ret paladin threat in m+ at the moment, run with a ret paladin in 18's and it feels like a nightmare, even if he waits, a divine storm always seems to pull
chilly brook
Uhhh clap hard
It is skittish though
And ret bursts hard
If he gets in trouble he has the tools to deal with it
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Available charge clap ds clap
If that's not enough you're just dealing with big boi pumpers
And gotta be clicking around on whatever you lost and either taunt back or just hit it once and get it back
broken hare
If it's that much of a problem can always sacrifice the major essence for the one that draws aggro for 6 sec
worldly sigil
anyone in here 5k+ io as prot?
novel ruin
Only one I know is @loud shoal
raven knoll
what are the 2 names of the speed potions?
novel ruin
Light foot potion is all you need
sweet summit
skystep also works afaik
raven knoll
thanks!
novel ruin
It does but light foot potion is 2nd best part of playing tank
sweet summit
actually true
sweet summit
one is from legion, one is from bfa
novel ruin
Cuz light foot is current and easy to make
raven knoll
i see okey i thought there is something im missing
loud shoal
hi what hello
still pagoda
the only difference is that reagents for skysteps are becoming more and more scarce
sweet summit
gaming
severe monolith
You’re supposed to light foot around as a tank?
novel ruin
@sweet summit Have any idea how long it takes to get 470 Alch Stone from 0 Alch? Do I have to redo the void focus if I’ve already done it as BS?
sweet summit
you dont
novel ruin
What if I get rid of BS for Alch?
sweet summit
how much expulson do you have?
novel ruin
A few hundred at least
novel ruin
Hopefully. I’ll be doing that over the next few days then. Get ready for all vers next Friday
worldly sigil
sorry to keep asking, anyone else have any more referalls of any prot warrs that are 5k+ io?
sweet summit
@loud shoal help the man ❤️
sweet summit
ah i see
loud shoal
yea I can help with questions and stuff just can't do the full coaching thing
worldly sigil
i will find my senpai sooner or later XD
novel ruin
@worldly sigil What io are you?
If you are looking for 5k io people, you are talking about like 50 people in the world as a Prot warrior
worldly sigil
oh i see
didnt realize that was the threshold, maybe 4500 is easier, im not trying to push MDI or anything just wanna be like.. top 2% by SL ish
novel ruin
There are 113 Prot Warriors above 5k in the entire world
5k is literally 99.99% of people
worldly sigil
appreciate the knowledge, def need to lower the bar
novel ruin
What’s your io?
still pagoda
if you're trying to push with pugs, don't even think of more than 3-3.5k
novel ruin
Feel free to message me. I’m only 3.9k but pugged 90% of it besides the last couple weeks when I found a staple group
sweet summit
ofc not all of them go well 😄
worldly sigil
message sent btw
ember arrow
Wow good yet?
sweet summit
no
ember arrow
Ok
undone sun
No
ember arrow
Thyme still alive
sweet summit
no
ember arrow
Ok
undone sun
Purely out of spite.
ember arrow
Thyme is only alive so that death doesnt get the satisfaction
novel ruin
Crazy how peeps play a game they aren’t enjoying 😮 Not like there are thousands of great games to play out there to pick from.
sweet summit
please tell me a game i can play thats not wow
sharp rover
sweet summit
socket probably
strong forum
we love wow, but we dont enjoy anymore what it currently offers
still pagoda
^
strong forum
you can like something but also dislike parts of it
strong forum
ohno
still pagoda
ohyes
strong forum
atleast hes running full TD
sweet summit
still pagoda
sweet summit
vers mast ring 🙂
strong forum
F
if thats your absolute only non haste piece ill tolerate it
tertiary vendor when?
buy all the leech
sweet summit
👀
strong forum
sweet summit
other than those, i have haste on everything :p
sweet summit
yep :^)
strong forum
you have like 20%
sweet summit
im at 23%
heavy sigil
Hey guys, When is it worth it to swap to Vers from haste?
heavy sigil
so like 25% without gems and enchants basically
strong forum
yeah +25 keys, not haste levels
heavy sigil
ahhh lolol my b
ember arrow
@novel ruin i stopped playing 2 years ago. Every few months i just as "wow good yet"
broken hare
How much baseline haste is good for Prot in M+? I'm sitting around 32% without into the fray + a few other things to buff my haste. Is that more than enough?
strong forum
its enough, but never enough
limpid pawn
For high keys, having leech as a tertiary stat is GIGA
strong forum
aka, the more haste the better
limpid pawn
People memeing on that were wrong
limpid pawn
Like if you have 4-5 pieces with leech, it’s fucking insane and overpowered
broken hare
Like, the most M+'s I do is 15 and I'm not a key pusher. Not really into do anything higher. So for 15 at max, it should be fine right?
sweet summit
leech is neat.
strong forum
no they werent wrong, the statement has always been dont drop ilvl for leech
limpid pawn
Ilvl not always priority for versatile build
limpid pawn
465 pieces with haste verse much better than 475 pieces with no verse if you are using all versatile corruptions
strong forum
yes but thats not the general rule
sweet summit
im at a point where i just pick whatever because it doesnt really matter. so i take leech because i find it fun 🤷♀️
strong forum
only top 0.1% of people properly utilize vers corruptions
limpid pawn
If you’re a normal person doing 1-23 keys then yes ilvl over all
strong forum
so for the rest of the entire game, the ilvl > haste > vers rule still stands
limpid pawn
And haste crit and TD
ember arrow
Highest key i ever did on prot was hov 23, and then i still prioritized ilvl
strong forum
and if youre in that 0.1%, you really dont ask those kind of questions
sweet summit
yep
ember arrow
Dont forhet ilvl also gives MORE STATS overall
strong forum
and since this a public forum, it is not advised to recommend stuff that doesnt apply to the average joe
ember arrow
Dont just look at which stats
sweet summit
more stats>better stats
strong forum
and tanks are very nuanced this expansion
opposite to dps
atleast when it comes to high high keys, cuz tank gearing has evolved away from defensive gearing outside of niche situations such as that
limpid pawn
True that, actually I guess the average joe advice is the most important
Look at what happened in the resto Druid discord
So many idiots prioritizing cat weaving taking that out of context
Doing that shit even during grevious week where tank has 4x grevious and 8x awakened bleeds
novel ruin
People also think they are a certain level when they aren’t. The jump from 23 to 24 is massive and gets increased every level thus. The jump from a 23 to 27 is like a 2 to 23.
The people doing WF keys are on a completely different level than the players even doing 25s
still pagoda
@sweet summit @strong forum indeed that was fucking painful
watching retri dropping down on a wheelchair from his own lack of awareness and skittish
- tank went gobb first despite HM mob starting over gnomes
as a result
they only 2 people with bots 24/7 were me and rogue
sweet summit
still pagoda
he seemed like he doesn't know JY at all
warm plinth
Even if you can't go gunker, you can still go that side for bots
warm plinth
Like you can get 3 zap bots every single week regardless of where the HM is
4 if you go in the tunnel
prisma compass
@still pagoda 👋
grave lily
5 if a rogue gets the scary one by the dogs right?
novel ruin
Yup
prisma compass
you never mentioned the real problem with that key
strong forum
and thus, drama ensues
prisma compass
strong forum
i guess deaths
prisma compass
yeh the guy talking shit about the pug tank (me) died to every aoe on the floor going
sweet summit
pog
novel ruin
Karma
prisma compass
Still to say how much you were bad mouthing the route, losing them awesome scrap bots you took because you died instantly with them. Lets face it the tank wasn't the issue in that key was it 😄
prisma compass
Thats fine, the point you made was valid, as the spell reflect tip was. Doesn't stop the shit way you went about delievering them
becareful on class discords, you don't know who is about
still pagoda
this week you could easily go gunker > gnomes > gobb
prisma compass
This char is 3 weeks old, I have alot to learn, my spec is more because of limitations in what i've got, im full TD only because 3/5 corruptions i've picked up so far are all td (no hate pls)
novel ruin
Did y’all time the dungeon?
prisma compass
But as I said to you im gearing to go up to the higher keys, and I know in the pug world you have to look to copy the guys at the top regardless of the reasons, otherwise you get kicked coz thats how shit it is
yeh easily
sweet summit
we're not gonna hate on TD. TD owns
novel ruin
Then who cares
prisma compass
nono hate on the first 3 corruptions all being td
still pagoda
it will be easy for you to learn :D
strong forum
nobody hated on TD
novel ruin
No reason to shittalk anyone
still pagoda
^
prisma compass
nono i meant the hate for me being so lucky on td, not running it lol
strong forum
ah
prisma compass
ofc im going to run it, just out of 5 procs i got 3 tds 😄
still pagoda
sweet summit
i literally dont care what corruptions you use
i might recommend something else, but at the end of the day i dont care
that sounded toxic
sweet summit
undone sun
civic rover
just got kicked from an 18 for having no vers corruption 😎
sweet summit
epic
civic rover
i have a vers set but i was like "nah me go brrr"
warm plinth
Getting kicked from a dungeon for running the correct corruptions
civic rover
hey man they need the absolute perfect comp to time their 18 FH
strong forum
we all know
civic rover
that means they need exactly nerftanks setup
sweet summit
ofc it is
strong forum
nevermind the 500% difference of scaling
sweet summit
if you play the 18 with your back turned to all mobs
strong forum
exactly, cuz they do i in +28 too
obv
and all firemages are running 79 corruption in +18s
didnt you know?
cuz the top dudes can do too in their 28s
civic rover
no way
i think its so funny when people are like "why no vers" when we're literally doing a slightly harder 15
sweet summit
and dps/healers/tank players running full vers to survive yeah?
strong forum
and you need LPS as melee dps
sweet summit
and a 455 prism
civic rover
they also did ask me why I wasn't using defensive trinkets which is a good one
strong forum
cringe
jovial saffron
I main HPal and run 19/20, a guy kicked me out of a 15 telling me he doesn't need an healer with TD, he needed an healer that heal
Love pugs
strong forum
if he says he needs a healer thats heals in a 15, you already know hes bad
sweet summit
kekdoubleyou
jovial saffron
I was sad only because I'm sure I would have outdpsed him in both overall and boss fight.. Well, I reroll ed war, so I can run TD.. But apparently it's not the case 🤣
still pagoda
^
sweet summit
i cant avoid myself :(
novel ruin
TD is BiS for Holy Pally for Damage, wah? And TD is BiS for like all tanks
jovial saffron
That might be a problem since I only pug 🤔
On a serious note, worth using the mythic bloodthirsty urchin over wrathion mythic trinket?
novel ruin
No
strong forum
no
sweet summit
no
jovial saffron
@novel ruin yeah you go IT3, TD3, and then stack IT.. For m+
novel ruin
Usually you go IT5 now, then TD then w/e for Holy Pally
warm plinth
sweet summit
LMFAO thanks ghash
jovial saffron
TD 3 is prioritized over IT4 and IT5 tho
novel ruin
Probably.
still pagoda
I did a thing for memes https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/psa-stop-kicking-your-prot-warrior-tank-for-not-having-vers-corruptions/580776
@warm plinth
Huge thanks bro!
warm plinth
Unfortunately it won't let me post it on EU since my account there is inactive
novel ruin
But Someome shouldn’t focus on damage unless they are comfortable healing
still pagoda
@warm plinth I can post this on EU
warm plinth
I wouldn't call TD focusing on damage tbh, and you have to be dealing damage as a holy paladin to an extent if you want to maximize your healing due to holy shock resets.
jovial saffron
IT5 wasn't a noticeable upgrade for me. It won't let you HS spam under wings so you still have to CS
sweet summit
you have to heal less because things die faster 😎
still pagoda
novel ruin
I mean TD is straight damage for 75 corruption...
still pagoda
you asked?
warm plinth
Haha, thanks Karton
sick sentinel
i'm permabanned twice over from official blizz forums lol
so, as much as i want to respond, i cannot
warm plinth
I don't really care if I get banned (since I didn't exactly check if posts like this were allowed). This is the first time I've been on the forums in probably 10 years.
still pagoda
last time i've been on blizz forums was month ago
when i was looking for guild
well, dunno how it will go rn after "leaving" the one i was with for last month
sick sentinel
probably a better thing that i am banned from them, i made alot of really cockiy aggrogant posts, and it just happened that i posted a gold site made with skeletons, and it pissed modd off, but it didn't occur to me that they were selling gold or it was harmful to game or nothin
so, everytime he saw me in a thread, he would action my account
warm plinth
lol
still pagoda
lul
But as I said to you im gearing to go up to the higher keys, and I know in the pug world you have to look to copy the guys at the top regardless of the reasons, otherwise you get kicked coz thats how shit it is
@prisma compass
I personally didn't care much to gear for +22-23 keys before them. Just had few off-set haste/vers pieces in bags and slapped 2xVers3 on them. But overall incentive of gearing really depends on the content you are planning to do. If it is only up to +21-23, then i wouldn't even bother in your place considering that you've only started)
and yeah, we all learn
:D
sick sentinel
from what i have seen in NA that kicking for no verse thing i havevn't seen yet
been declined tons of groups sure
still pagoda
haven't seen this here on EU
civic rover
my co tank who plays blood dk often times get asked what his unbuffed vers is for 20 pugs
novel ruin
People are meta whores
still pagoda
novel ruin
Arms > Fury at this point. It’s sad 😦
still pagoda
BfA fury 📉
still pagoda
Legion fury 📈
novel ruin
Didn’t play Legion nor WOD nor Mist
sick sentinel
People are meta whores
@novel ruin it's simple, you just find players who aren't brain dead but don't care if they are meta or not
novel ruin
If you enjoy something, 99% of players will play it better than sticking to a meta.
sick sentinel
if you don't stand in front of the dragon mout, you don't get fire breath'd if you stand behind the tail you get hit by tail, if there is adds and you don't kill them they will kill you
mental scarab
But arms can pump like a mad man dho👀
novel ruin
Yes. But for a long time community viewed Fury > Arms. That has changed but community perception hasn’t yet
For M+
still pagoda
Didn’t play Legion nor WOD nor Mist
@novel ruin Legion fury gameplay in a nutshell
a burst rollercoaster
mental scarab
We had à random arms Warrior with full haste corrupt and blood of the enemy ha was top dmg by miles 🙈 only time he got out dps was when i pulled all the grps after 1 boss in ML then the ret did about 600k
EVeN on ST he was dps like a mad man
mental scarab
Oh
sick sentinel
I would like if details counted interupts by non interupt but fear/stun ring of peace etc
mental scarab
Why👀
novel ruin
Check CC displacements
mental scarab
Think ther is a tab for it
mental scarab
^^^^
Btw
Finaly got my nzoth trinket today 🤩😂😂.....
And rolled the wep for dps
🙊
novel ruin
Pog
limpid pawn
22 AD - garbage rogue
snaps 2 saurid packs to me when im not ready (we aren't on disc)
wipes group
then kills totem on volkal way before other 2
leaves group
3.9K io, absolute trash
loud shoal
hmm no comms 22 AD seems yikes
novel ruin
Had rogue in 21 AD this week snap skyscreamrrs with saurids twice after I told to CC 😦
limpid pawn
SURELY 2 SAURID PACKS ON BOLSTERING/FORTIFIED WITH NO COMMS SHOULD BE COMMUNICATED PRIOR TO PULL NO?
"it's pretty standard"
strong forum
we only bolstered 1 screamer to 15mil HP
sick sentinel
let the tank do the pulling for lords sake
strong forum
is ok we combust and pull 1 more screamer
shadow wagon
is coral very good for prot?
sick sentinel
shrine?
still pagoda
is coral very good for prot?
@shadow wagon
Nah
pliant jolt
i guys
i am working on getting rank 3 conflict and strife
do i need do do as much as pvp arenas as i can or i only need 1 weekly chest?
i mean - if i get more then 500 conquest once - will i get it faster? or i only need to get 500 each week?
sweet summit
Gotta get 500 conquest every week
tight whale
What about Versatile II vs Surging Vitality III????
sweet summit
One is 15 corruption one is 35...
arctic python
when do you actually start using nzoth trinket i m+
sweet summit
When you feel like you need it
modern brook
r u dying?
arctic python
I guess that would be for mass pulls on weeks with fixes that allow it?
sweet summit
Sure?
arctic python
Well are people usually running it on keys above 22?
sweet summit
Yes
arctic python
Or is it still scale + vita there
tight whale
I can make it work instead of a Twilight. For a more d# build. Those sweat Versa
warm latch
What trinks should I use for more damage
sweet summit
vita+scale
vita+fang
vita+torment
torment+fang
warm latch
Ty
still pagoda
^
warm latch
Just didn’t even know where to start
steep bone
Hi frens
mystic finch
sweet summit
👋
still pagoda
hey
civic rover
what do you guys think about strength of the warden major for skittish weeks?
steep bone
unless giga pepeg dps gamers
@sweet summit they deserve to pay repair bill
sweet summit
good
civic rover
when the DH beams before you even get to to the pack 😍
steep bone
just proc td few times in a row early on, easy threat
still pagoda
civic rover
Thankfully on warrior skittish isn’t nearly as bad as other tanks have it
steep bone
unless you have ret pala, dh
still pagoda
WHY THIS GAME RAPES ME WITH CONSTANT MOTHERLODES
warr has ML
monk has ML
god knows why this week
steep bone
civic rover
i have a ML 19 on my warrior lol
regal saddle
ml is just soul draining on bolstering weeks
still pagoda
especially with bad DPS
civic rover
at least the jazz in it is cool
sweet summit