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#protection
sweet summit
strong forum
.
steep bone
lol basher hits like a wet noodle XD
still pagoda
exactly
sweet summit
mythic?
steep bone
ye
scarlet copper
how important does it become to vers stack your gear once pushing above 20s? For instance I have a socketed 475 crit/haste boots that I'd like to use, but wondering if it's a bad idea to put vers% corruption on them
sweet summit
not important per say, but it can help you survive more/for longer
but stacking vers also might make you used to "bad habits" as you are not as punished by them as hard as you normally would
scarlet copper
gotcha
sweet summit
its kinda up to you, do you feel like you need it?
yes? go for it, i cant stop you
no? pump the twilight
scarlet copper
I guess I'm just trying to think about when vers% drops on vendor and planning on what pieces to put the corruption on, and finding that my stat gear is all over the place
so if the idea is to just spam spam spam versatility, I Gotta do some dungeon farming to target loot
sweet summit
👍
civic rover
is it ever worth combining TD and vers?
tight whale
I always play under 39 Corruption. Is it worth to Run More Corruption? To run another 1 TD.
Quick note, not all my healers are good enough.
sweet summit
depends on how comfy you are
you can use spell reflect vs thing and eye
avatar clears the slow
we have a great kit to avoid corruption side effects
its 100% a call you have to make
ladsladsladslads
+30 junkyard
scarlet copper
oh shit!
scarlet copper
I saw a group do a 29 TD yesterday I think
I guess it turned into a JY? didn't see what key they got out of it
dusky tusk
someone timed a 29 today i think
still pagoda
Fuck
dusky tusk
very cool GG if your in here
scarlet copper
wait are they running it now? or did they chest it
sweet summit
they are closing in on last boss
steep bone
bashers hits like wet noodle but psychus in 2nd gate hits like a truck xD
sweet summit
9 minutes left, doing last obelisk
still pagoda
bashers hits like wet noodle but psychus in 2nd gate hits like a truck xD
@steep bone
And it also requires gimmicky stuff with ranged
full monolith
That tank doesnt use a rage bar mid screen but just the numerical value. Hurts 😄
still pagoda
that's fine
full monolith
Guess they will be fine
fierce delta
Hello quick question. Takning Ludwig in free hold: he goes down to 50%hp I pull the two crushers and and the shipmates will they bolster ?
full monolith
Safeguard all the way
sweet summit
still pagoda
deep steppe
holy shit
full monolith
Insane bois. Need to see the log
slender finch
not bad
@fierce delta ludwig dont get bolstered by crushers
u can just pull them from begin
sweet summit
log is prob on warcraft logs in a couple of minutes
modern brook
Timedm
scarlet copper
question, I keep seeing andyclap's TFB get rooted, is it Thunderclap that's doing that?
scarlet copper
aaah, that's nice
so when I asked before y'all say CNS major was niche. which dungeons specifically should it be used?
sweet summit
depends
vague sigil
Frist time seeing this so far loving it though the 30 curruption is a bit high for me currently
fierce delta
Ty @slender finch
sweet summit
CnS is mostly used in TD, for canon gaming, underrot for swarmers and Shrine for the extra vers
scarlet copper
sorry I'm being dumb, I just don't see the effect that roots enemies on the tooltip. It just says it grants you more vers when you stunned
full monolith
Dont they use CnS in all dungeons now except for KR and Work?
It is the pvp talent it teaches you @scarlet copper
sweet summit
@scarlet copper you gain the PVP talent called thunderstruck
read that talent
and u understand
sweet summit
BUT, if the target is slowed by 30% or higher you cant root
there are no DRs on roots
so dont run sphere minor with CnS major
sweet summit
thunderclap is 20% slow, sphere is 10% 20+10=30
full monolith
Sphere is 30% thus it overwrites the lower slow applied and therefore overwrites root aswell
So dont bring frost mages or assa rogues aswell^^
scarlet copper
hehe yeah
full monolith
True 😄 yet on tyra you sometimes see assa - at least i do. Well simply dont play on tyrannical I guess
mellow patio
Farm vop cause it’s easy and get CNS/Lucid from vendor
full monolith
CnS is always good. Aegis is nice for big pulls, sphere is nice overall aswell
mellow patio
For m+ prioritize null lower
full monolith
Null is not needed imo
mellow patio
Can farm sphere as well because it’s just like 2 bg wins and a pvp island
And you only need rank 1 tbh
But ye null is not really needed
sweet summit
if you have sphere/Blood/healer essence rank 3 on main, yeah
blood is dps so if you have that yeah you can
blood of the enemy
warm plinth
The vendor is only if it's on the same toon
MOTHER is cross-character
e.g. if you have Blood on your war, but not Sphere, you can buy Sphere from the PVP guy
But you wouldn't be able to buy it on another toon that didn't have Blood
Except from MOTHER
sweet summit
correct
warm plinth
Sphere I wouldn't even bother farming past R1 tbh
It's really not needed and I despise honor farming
But if you need blood of the enemy anyway, might as well I guess
sweet summit
if you have rank 1 sphere you can run it with CnS major 
warm plinth
BotE is the only reason I farmed R3 of it
Nah even R1 can't be used with C&S
The snare is on the first rank
sweet summit
oh really
i thought rank 1 was only haste
rank 2 slow/speed
and rank 3 speed/slow
oh nvm
u right
warm plinth
R1 is haste/slow, R2 is extended duration, R3 is the speed
sweet summit
sounds good mate
analog swift
holy shit so i was trolling in this JY I did with sphere minor and cns major
fucking lol
icy harness
anyone want to suffer through a 19 tol dagor group?
massive dps group tbh
just need a fat tank
nocturne gale
I'm sure it's been asked before but is it more ideal to run 2 rank 1 ineffable or just 1 rank 1?
mellow patio
2 rank 1
sweet summit
2x is poggers
1x is fine
rank 1 yes
nocturne gale
Poggers it is
tranquil sequoia
Is there still a link to that old google doc with t20+t21 + legendaries? I think it was the walls fell and mannoroth? was trying to show a friend how crystal meth it was
my google fu didn't get me far
wet fable
using thundergods vigor and mannoroth in TW atleast 😛
sweet summit
boss dies soontm then 
steep bone
actually they said im not that pepega and i did gud
steep bone
ofc not gonna be r1 plays from me first night on nzoth
but tbh from each pull was better and better
lavish wolf
Quick question. In terms of content like questing, lower-level dungeons, world quests, etc..., will prot warriors have a hard/impossible time doing said things without a group, just by themselves? I get we have a decent amount of damage mitigation in the form of spells and even passives, but do we output enough damage to kill the monster(s) before they can kill us? especially since we don't have a self heal (That I know about)?
sweet summit
if classic, no idea
if retail, not at all
you do still have victory rush, and that helps a lot when doing solo content
lavish wolf
Alright, good. Because I'm really loving this spec, and I was going along so good I was afraid there'd be a downside to it like that.
ionic fern
Nope.:)
sweet summit
sweet summit
trUE
lavish wolf
Those are my favorite part. Like, yea cool, we can get hit really hard and survive, BUT INSTANT QUEUES!
ionic fern
Same tbh.😂
quick orchid
Never solo pull if you’re questing/farming
Just ape pull as hard as possible
Aoe* ape, potato potato
sweet summit
ook ook
still pagoda
Ooga booga
lavish wolf
Another question about prot warrior, how do I determine what the best gear is? A DPS just sims for the highest DPS and rolls with that, but what do we do?
sweet summit
the highest item level gear is the "best gear"
yes, you can sim for dps. even as a tank
cinder nova
I mean, that's... debatable.
sweet summit
wdym?
lavish wolf
This is a bit off topic, but why is ilvl the best gear? even if it's 1 ilvl higher with something like intelligence?
sweet summit
more stats>"better" stats
cinder nova
I've been wearing a 420 bracers with Dev for like 4 weeks.
sweet summit
im using the quotation marks for a reason @cinder nova :D
cinder nova
I'm saying it's not like a constant or anything.
And it's going to be inevitably misleading to present it that way.
sweet summit
thats fair. but ring still follow unless it has a sock
cinder nova
Right, so just say that instead of having them to come back a second time and bother asking the question.
sweet summit
and thats just a rough guideline anyway
cinder nova
Gods I know its scumbag play, but I love devestator.
It just feels so good to smash shield slam over and over
lavish wolf
Speaking of devastator, how does it work? I get it replaces devastate, but in replacing it do you get another spammable attack or are you relying on auto attacks until shield bash or something else procs?
sweet summit
it "uses" devastate on auto attacks
so instead of always having something to cast, you might have some dead globals now and then
cinder nova
It's basically a parsing talent.
sweet summit
twilight dev is my parsing talent 
lavish wolf
Ah, ok. Would you advise taking it, or something else? And sorry for all the simple questions, this is my first toon in YEARS and it's gonna be my first max level
cinder nova
It does more damage than BV pretty much every fight in Ny
But you lose survivability
sweet summit
its better for ST dps. worse in aoe and worse defensively kinda
since you lose the on demand rage BV provides
cinder nova
And BV is close behind it in damage, tbh, not like right up its ass, but it's still very competitive.
sweet summit
but you also get more average SS casts, so more constant rage from that
cinder nova
DPS rankings on WCL.
lavish wolf
Ohhh, ok
sweet summit
doing a lot of damage compared to other prot warriors on said boss fight
cinder nova
Each entry is called a 'parse', and it's becoming a colloquialism that 'parsing' indicates reaching for a rank on the DPS ladder for prot warriors.
lavish wolf
Gotcha, ok. Thank you (all of you)!
chilly brook
Always parse
lavish wolf
Why always?
chilly brook
Because if you're not dying and not in danger of dying and you're fully defensive then you're not helping your group as much as you could be
sullen valve
Mwahi has a smoll brain
chilly brook
At least it's not a smooth brain
warm plinth
@sullen valve Daily reminder that wowA is a valuable and useful tool for prot warriors
still pagoda
sullen valve
Yes
south holly
raven knoll
does the 3rd boss in motherload deal physical dmg too? like are there autoattacks to block?
raven knoll
so i just reflect dots and spam ignore pain?
warm plinth
Basically. And rotate Wall/LS/Demo
raven knoll
ok thanks
steep bone
people linking aotc to get into m+ group 
still pagoda
obtuse yoke
sick vision luck
south holly
oblique garnet
You rotate between sb and last stand
Theres always some downtime in m+ where you will recharge sb
And if you run out of block you cover gaps with sw and other things
timber crown
so sblock...as it's about to drop, sblock...repeat until gap and last stand?
oblique garnet
Pretty much
timber crown
kk ty
steep bone
kr experience
still pagoda
Typical KR
I see exactly the same in ML
Sadly
Maybe gonna try timing that cursed +22 tomorrow
sullen valve
What is mastery cap : ^)
radiant path
Welp. Motherlode sucks ass this week. Tried it last night and the dps REALLY needs to focus those peacekeepers haha
oblique garnet
@sullen valve 
radiant path
Suffice it to say, pugs don't do that very well.
sullen valve
Late remember when you were not a blue boy
sullen valve
Good times. Mwahi cared about me
You told me my stuff was busted
still pagoda
Make Late Main Tank
shut summit
cinder nova
About to do a 30 tank run, should bother with Indom?
oblique garnet
@shut summit you are just salty because someone made it out of tanking and back to dps 🙂
still pagoda
He decided to step away till tomorrow after our 22SotS attempt at 10PM @icy harness
shut summit
still pagoda
I'm deliberately pushing myself into tanking
shut summit
ya
still pagoda
oblique garnet
nice then i can just watch your vods for tank mechanics
still pagoda
^
shut summit
ya finally got fixed internet too, nyalotha was struggle for me and cotank
fun times
oblique garnet
Yeah mine is shitting the bed right now so i have to use 4g for raids
still pagoda
I used phone 4g for 3 years
From start of Legion to BoD
😫 that was one hell of a miserable experience
oblique garnet
Its not too bad but its just i dont have a 4g modem so im just gonna end up breaking another phones battery
still pagoda
I had to use WiFi adapter and phone hotspot
obtuse yoke
when will the twitch client no longer support addons?
lusty nexus
Had my first tanking experience today with arms gear (around 60% haste with expedients and all that jazz) and prot felt like a Gatling gun, in a bad way. I used that gear bc it's highest ilvl I had, however it felt too fast
Should I tweak sth?
Or it is supposed to be like that
thorn moon
@main vault why ? :C
main vault
its pawn for azerite/essences and isnt accurate
main vault
IV guide
sour silo
Ye u have them right
main vault
Any class guides
sour silo
Then u just swap from conflict to lucid in major and conflict for aegis in minor
For KR and ML maybe
thorn moon
thanks
hardy siren
how much base versa is needed to make the versatile corruption good?
(it doesn't count other versatile corruptions, right?)
main vault
It counts everything
hardy siren
I'm struggling to get my head round it, then
main vault
Vers build is a way of life, not a breakpoint
hardy siren
say I've got 100 versa, and enough versatile corruption to get 72% more. I have .... 172 versatility? or way more?
main vault
When you need the Vers defensively, you start using it. Including gear and etc
172 yes
hardy siren
ok, i've got more than that - just chose that number for simplicity. but is the idea that you go all in, so gems etc as well?
main vault
But it also includes procs, essences, Azerite, food, etc
not necessarily gems/enchants, but some do go down to 22-25% haste
but mostly things like swapping some haste/crit gear for haste/vers gear and etc
hardy siren
ok, cool cheers!
sick sentinel
i got 3 475 boots with versa on them :S
don't really care what i get tueday, just not boots for love of god
steep bone
i got mecha bracers 😦
sick sentinel
cursed
could have been 475 lifespores i guess
that, or screw it, give me all the damn versa in the game, stack it to the heavens and do 23's
hallow phoenix
Anyone remember the way to add stats to a raidbots input? I remember something about adding gems in the input text as a hack way of doing it
hardy siren
I'd have your boots. trade you for a 465 trinket with a socket
sick sentinel
i need to target AD 14+'s some week for a 465 rezan eye instead of 460 +str is +str
chilly brook
@lusty nexus That's how prot is brother you're always pressing things every GCD and the faster the better
steep bone
@sick sentinel are you on eu?
steep bone
aww, if you were eu i'd come with you for higher chance xd
swift moon
i keep getting told with my tryiong to push 15's that i need to stack vers cooruption
and TD
i thought sub 20's it was TD and haste
and above 20's was IT x 2 stack vers
warm plinth
It is
cursive burrow
My guild is adamant that I need Vers for Mythic raids. I just keep my ITx2 and TDs.
steep bone
full td all the way to 20
steep bone
and then if you feel unsafe you can go for hybrid of td/vers amps but not recommended
warm plinth
Just use it as a filler if needed
steep bone
well ye 2x IT1 is golden
swift moon
gotcha is it T1 TD?
warm plinth
TD rank doesn't matter
swift moon
i have my 2 x IT and then random corruptions now becasue i messed up and spent 20k on T3 vers and now its sitting in my bags lol
warm plinth
It's the same damage per corruption; buy the rank that fits your corruption budget. That being said, Rank 1 costs more per corruption than the other two ranks for some dumb reason
warm plinth
Just from an echoes perspective
steep bone
I mean if you're gonna be pushing higher you'll use that vers corrupt anyway
warm plinth
Functionally it's the same
swift moon
i just want to do 15 of everything for achievment
swift moon
im basically 12-14 of everything currently and one 15
well crap i only have 11k right now
warm plinth
Then yeah don't listen to the people saying stack vers because they don't know what they're talking about
swift moon
they said the warrior discord was wrong lol
warm plinth
kek
swift moon
they dont have anything over a 20 timed though so i figured they were wrong
warm plinth
Yes, the entire warrior discord is wrong and their random ass that probably doesn't even play warrior is right
main vault
Lemme guess
steep bone
if you have problems with surviving on such keys then it's either your poor gameplay which needs improvement or you've absolute pepega healer or dps aren't kicking magic casts
main vault
Shitter guildies?
warm plinth
Your guildie's friend's mother's father's sister?
main vault
Watched Naowh run a 28 and think he is the tits now
steep bone
Don't listen to people that haven't done anything high themselves, like they've no clue about their class and they try to speak about others
main vault
Even Tomo comes in Guardian and says he didn’t need TD for his 25/26s
swift moon
yeah i didnt want to argue because she is best healer in our guild and saying her friend was an idiot might make her hate me lol
main vault
Best healer in a 6/12 heroic guild tho?
steep bone
don't have to say someone's idiot just prove him he's wrong so he'll maybe stop spreading misleading info
swift moon
hopefully get 1 or 2 more td rank 1 or two next time they up
we dont raid much
mainly mythic +
i know my guild aint that good im highest io
lol mainly there for friends
main vault
Yeah point was just, best healer in a casual guild isn’t a good resume builder
swift moon
and true
warm plinth
Yeah I mean we're not judging; I think he was just saying that "best" is definitely a relative term and doesn't necessarily mean that they're someone you should listen to (even less so their friend that you may not even know)
swift moon
i know its just my pocket healer and dont want to lose her because rest of healers barely do 10+'s
main vault
Not trying to shit on guild, just lack of experience and etc
swift moon
i understand
main vault
Can understand the issue though
I would just find a polite way to say “I’ll play my class and you play yours”
tawdry prawn
What should avatar uptime look like in a key?
civic rover
lol i had someone in a heroic pug tell me "all the top warriors are stacking vers why go TD?", I'm doing 18-20 keys with 0 vers corruption and I'm doing just fine @swift moon
swift moon
@civic rover awesome, hopefully i can get one or two more TD next time they are up. And then I may put some of my t3 Vers on since I have 3 in my bags. Lol
civic rover
it may be worth putting together two sets though
steep bone
@civic rover and top warriors are doing 28-29 keys where they need that vers, but pugs doesn't really take that in count
civic rover
yeah
i was like "yeah nerftanks also doing 28s where unavoidable damage would one shot him without it, this is fucking heroic raden"
steep bone
I mean You can go full vers even for +5 keys but thats like using F1 car for city driving 😄
civic rover
the only tank that i really dislike TD on is monk
steep bone
Low hp pool 
civic rover
and doesn't prioritize haste as a stat
swift moon
@civic rover that’s true, it i barely get enough gear for a good first set. Doubt I’ll ever hit the point where I’ll have the gear for two sets
Also anyone 5 mask with a prot warrior?
civic rover
i just go fury for visions
steep bone
Also anyone 5 mask with a prot warrior?
@swift moon me
civic rover
but there's people that do it
steep bone
Its long and if You dont have or dont proc TD its snoozefest
swift moon
Any tips, I have made it past 3 mask yet
Gotcha? So small pulls? Not massive ones like I normally do? Lol
steep bone
Dont overpull go full dps build
swift moon
That’s why I hope more TD means more prices
Procs*
And what’s full dps build? Have a link or guide?
steep bone
I mean u can take whole dwarven district, just careful as those range shooters really do damage
swift moon
I’ll probably take super slow first few attempts
steep bone
Im running clf major, warden vop cns minor
Vita and rezan as trinkets
And dont feel immortal when u proc gift because ull most likely get chain stunned and die
swift moon
Don’t have vita yet but I do have a 470 dps trink
steep bone
You can sim yourself for dps
civic rover
@ancient barn icy veins is a good starting resource
swift moon
And find out what stuff I do more damage with?
ancient barn
I checked
steep bone
Where i can find good rotation for protection warrior?
@ancient barn#268491842637660160
ancient barn
But its make big diffrent
swift moon
Speaking of icy veins. Is IV or wowhead better?
civic rover
they both pretty much provide the same info afaik
swift moon
Seem basically the same@guides with some minor differences
steep bone
Both are written by same guy so its up to whatever You prefer to read
I may be wrong but as i remember it was same guy
swift moon
Gotcha thank you guys!
ancient barn
I using icyveins rotation
But i saw so ppl with lower ilvl than me doing a brust damage and great healing
swift moon
Ilvl i feel is almost pointless now. Because of Azeroth, essence, and corruption. That’s what will probably do the burst damage and better heals.
Pointless as in you can compare yourself like that based On ilvl
Cant*
civic rover
yeah it's the same reason tank damage parses for raids are irrelevant this tier imo, it's completely based on how often TD procs.
swift moon
Yup, TD is guaranteed that lower ilvl warriors burst damage.
Plus the healing for warriors is based on IP correct?
civic rover
yeah
grand estuary
Hey guys, switching from Arms to prot. What's the meta corruption and traits? I have a lot of exp 3
royal rune
shield block blocks range too right?
undone sun
ranged physical
main vault
It’s all the same
woeful estuary
So it doesn’t matter if you have one 18%? Vs 3 6%’s? The proc chance is still the same?
main vault
Yes
woeful estuary
Okay, thank you
mental scarab
@woeful estuary you wont as much leech corruption you can get👀 @ionic fern told me that 🥓🥓
undone sun
😑
still pagoda
ionic fern
@mental scarab no troll people looking for advice.
mental scarab
grand estuary
how many ranks of TD is considered optimal? like 2x rank 3 or so
mental scarab
As many as you can🙂
Think we can run R6 now or R5 and be totaly fine
And many use 2 IT combined with TD
civic rover
my TD set is a rank 3 and a rank 2
it's really just as much as you can get yeah, if you can get at least one rank 2 that's a pretty good chunk of damage being added
mental scarab
I find having the thing from beyond just pain in the ass and it always spawn when im low on hp but its personal
main shoal
It might sound dumb but what do you have the backpedal bind to?
sharp night
s?
knotty fiber
If I'm not stacking vers yet, would a haste mastery item be better than vers mastery, at the same ilvl?
mental scarab
Depending on key lvl
We run haste as much as possible before we get one shoted by mechanics🥳
Then go vers
And corruption vers
limpid pawn
people say at +23 is when you go verse
undone sun
it's not really night and day for when you switch, it's just around a certain level
limpid pawn
for sure you can do 21-22 keys without it
mental scarab
OR you stack crit like à mtf and parry dodge like à guardian druid from ICC era 🤩🤩🤩🤩
limpid pawn
lol i wanna see someone do that
reef hornet
With the punchcards, can you get a Mastery/Mastery one
warm plinth
No, there's no such thing as a yellow punchcard with the same stat twice
royal rune
ineffable truth 1 or 2?
green laurel
Morning guys, The people that are running TD /IT - What corruption level are you running? Best to always stay lower than 40? Cheers
@royal rune ineffable 1 is always better than two based on cost / corruption cost
I think the change is when you no longer have the slots left
blazing gale
Every damage you take has a chance to spawn Tfb so for M+ safe to stay below 40
green laurel
@blazing gale Thank you! Yeah I found out the hard way last night, luckily it was only a farming group but equipped the wrong item and ended up running 60 corruptions, was fun for me to see the TD damage but not so much the healer :)
Is the most we can currently run to stay under the 40 2 X It and 4x TD?
hallow phoenix
Why wouldn't they hit you? Last stand just gives you 100% block and bonus health
@green laurel Right now if you want to stay under 40 corruption you can wear TD5+IT1 and be right at 39 corruption
flint cliff
just out of curiosity: anyone with full fury severe gear here? could you wear it as prot and tell how much parry is possible that way
flint cliff
yeah sad but thx 4 info
lyric shadow
If you guys run m15-m19 do you only use td and it? And what do you sockel and enchant?
Vers isnt useful in that range right?
hallow phoenix
There's a pinned post that goes into some nice detail on corruptions in that range
and another one on essence choices
lyric shadow
Ty
green laurel
@hallow phoenix thanks!
graceful jolt
Hi guys
So I main a rogue, but have been tanking a lot on my warrior and I really enjoy it
I'm starting to get into keys
and I was looking through the pins trying to get a better understanding of some of the azerite traits
I think I have the essences down pretty good, but as far as traits go, especially when it comes to inner traits (Crystalline Carapace, Blood Siphon, Elemental Whirl, Unstable Flames). I was wondering if anyone could help me figure out what is best in "most" situations
ionic fern
Sure.
graceful jolt
Oh, and I did look through the PINS but did not find one on azerite, just corruption and essences
ionic fern
Azerites are mostly covered in the guides.
In general IV,UF,OP,Gutripper,RP are all solid choices.
So if you have any of those in the rows you should pick them. 👍
graceful jolt
which one is IV?
ionic fern
Impassive Visage
hallow phoenix
The thunder aoe thing (it's like gutripper but smol aoe) is better than gutripper imo
graceful jolt
ahh okay
yeah i have that, sorry i was thinking 3rd row
so between something like Blood Siphon & elemental whirl which would you consider more useful?
I feel like the leech is good but I'm not sure if that trait was better used around the start of the expansion, i remember it was highly used then, not sure about now
hallow phoenix
Lately I've been preferring consistency of the flat stats, but things like OP and UF are definitely better than the flat stat choices.
Ele whirl has never particularly impressed me when I look at logs but it's been a hot minute since I've run it
graceful jolt
Sadly, I don't have any Overwhelming Power. I do have 1 Unstable Flames though, and I really like it a lot, it seems to proc a ton and gives a nice amount of parry
Hmm maybe Blood Siphon would be a better choice over Elemental Whirl then...
hallow phoenix
It's definitely not a bad trait
graceful jolt
Okay
So my last question: A choice between Iron Fortress, or Heart of Darkness? All my other traits are BoM and DC which I heard were top tier traits.
Oh.. looks like icy-veins is ranking Heart of Darkness a priority over Iron Fortress
hallow phoenix
HoD for sure
graceful jolt
Thanks man, I really appreciate all the info and opinions!
hallow phoenix
Here are stats on elemental whirl from a m+ my group did earlier
I find it quite unimpressive
green laurel
What is the thunder aoe one your referring to?
hallow phoenix
Well they're on different rows
graceful jolt
Heed my Call
7% uptime is super low
I thought it was much higher. It's not bad on my rogue, but I guess it's because I have a lot more haste to proc it. Thought it was better on Prot Warrior, but yeah.. Blood Siphon will be the better option
hallow phoenix
That ele whirl is on a rogue
Details and Warcraft logs uptime disagree sometimes because they calculate uptime differently
Details pauses when out of combat by default
graceful jolt
oh shit, lol : \
graceful jolt
Only need 1 Deafening Crash?
stiff oracle
Yes
graceful jolt
ty
sweet summit
Np
still pagoda
But you have multiple proccing
strong forum
Yes, 3 instances of 15%
still pagoda
Mine usually goes around 20-25% on warcraftlogs if accounting for overlaps
raven knoll
can anyone help me, im looking for an alternative for the nzoth ring untill i get it. i have seal of regal loa right now. what would you guys suggest i should farm before i get the nzoth one?
still pagoda
Hivemind ring
left hatch
raven knoll
thanks guys! of all these listed rings is one the best untill i get nzoth? or just get one of them
slender finch
Here are stats on elemental whirl from a m+ my group did earlier
@hallow phoenix from what tool is that screenshot?
sweet summit
wowanalyzer
drowsy ginkgo
Hello, I have a warrior tank. I only play with a corruption level of 1. So i want to buy some corruptions but i dont know if i schould only buy 12% versa or something else. Now i have unbuffed 32% versa. I am aiming for keys 21 plus. Sorry for my english im from germany 😄
main vault
Assuming you are doing low keys just stack TD
drowsy ginkgo
as i say im doing 20s and try to do higher ^^
toxic gyro
If you’re planning on doing 23-25 + eventually, definitely go for vers
They are doable without vers, however they become way easier with it
drowsy ginkgo
and ineffable truth?
toxic gyro
2x rank 1
amber siren
the post in the pins explains this situation you're asking @drowsy ginkgo
cinder nova
Any mechanics that SR can cheese in Ny?
sweet summit
#268491842637660160 has a spreadsheet
still pagoda
@drowsy ginkgo If you're aiming to push into +23-24, you can go with 2 vers3's for later on, 2xIT1 and and TD3
for everything lower, i would use TD4-5+2xIT1
except if you're pugging
then the same semi-vers setup becomes relevant in +22 for the sake of consistency
sacred veldt
afternoon everyone - is it generally considered more efficient to run IF1 x 2 rather than a rank 1 and rank 2 together?
IT*
main vault
Rank 2 sucks
sacred veldt
okay great, I have an item with rank 2 on it (in addition to a rank 1 on another piece). cleanse and replace with a rank 1?
main vault
Unless you can fit the corruption without giving up anything else
It’s horribly inefficient by itself
orchid frigate
kind of looking forward to pre-patch and no more corruption
past lynx
Good morning everyone
Any thoughts on running Conflict as major? I've seen that's a trend now for pushers. Any other benefit other that rooting and kiting?
past lynx
Great, thanks so much
sick sentinel
Is there some deal about if you pull final boss with 1 or more obelisk that any adds asscoiated start spawn from where obelisk was and come to you or obelisk appears at boss and adds come from there
Mobile phone keyboard
main vault
^
Any adds that would normally be with a boss don’t exist
No eyes, no exploders, none of it
plain hamlet
What are the best minors to run?
Guessing ageis, strength of warden, conflict (with vision as major) for like sub 20 keys
sweet summit
@plain hamlet CnS/Lucid/sphere/aegis/warden (from best to worst)
@icy harness im not enjoying wow atm, so im lowkey taking a break
sweet summit
❤️
silk edge
if I cba grinding Cns and sphere because i just returned and its pvp, would you say The formless void is the next best thing ? Dps wise
i already have lucid and aegis
sick sentinel
oh okay, just, i dunno if its on purpose or not anymore, but sometimes i'll just straight up not do 1, rarely 2 obelisk at the end of a run
and then we pull boss and, suprise!
it worked last night in 15 wm, killed it and boss got 100% with that pull
sweet summit
@silk edge all you need is sphere rank1, and thats very easy. cns is extremely good, hard to replace but not required 🤷♀️
sick sentinel
i got the 465 butcher block equipped already and it dropped so i give it to the warrior in our group
silk edge
@sweet summit ok, once again ty very much 😉
red fern
sweet summit
3 more warriors for shadowlands
cyan bluff
With vers build/corruption - what are stat weights for the other stats? How much ilvl do you sacrifice to get gear with high vers?
sweet summit
noone uses stat weights anymore
it kinda depends
weapon/shield you dont drop any ilvl
cyan bluff
Then stat priority, not weights exactly.
still pagoda
@icy harness im not enjoying wow atm, so im lowkey taking a break
@sweet summit i'm low key playing other games instead
just trying to chill out after exams and stuff
limpid pawn
Anyone in here timing 23s with no verse build?
strong forum
I used to do that, im only running 2x vers3. Nerf did full haste all the way until 26s before vendor
And I very well could, but I haven't played in like 3 weeks now
sweet summit
anyone timing 23s with ineffable ravager? 
sick sentinel
uhhh i don't personally do 23's haven't done all 15's yet, but i'm a clicker scrublord miss all my GCD's and pull things i'm not supposed to and wipe us.
anyway what i'm trying to say is it total depends on the key and the level, because that determines how much dmg u will take.
it's all static dmg and then u just account for armor, buffs, exteriors (party, specifically healer CD's) and you just run the numbers to make 100% sure you won't get dunked.
limpid pawn
I’m working on getting all my 22 keys timed
So I’ll be looking at 23s shortly, I have a verse amp set ready but not fully socketed yet
sick sentinel
like for example, in AD on each boss, all of them have a dunk mechanic, rezan has bite/chase, troll has noxic stench, priestess has blood, and final has, well everything,
and just a matter of making sure u in total control so that u, and group doesn't get dunked
it sucks but that's the truth, just a matter of doing math homework, then executing it :S
strong forum
dmg intake isnt all that scary, its more about group coordination besides tank dmg
real glade
Hey guys, just starting out with Prot, tanking some 10-14s with some trash corruption that I've randomly picked up, what corruption should I be looking for in order to push 15-20s?
strong forum
TD 👍
sweet summit
sick sentinel
The only reason i fear damage intake, is because i cannot control the group dps RNG
strong forum
tbh, in 15s you should be able to eat literally everything
most of the stuff that will be scary you can control yourself
sick sentinel
so if, a mob casts say, fear for 1 second every 10 seconds, and it dies in 9 seconds it doesn't even get to do fear 1 time
strong forum
by kicking / shockwave / stormbolt / fear / SW
sick sentinel
if the mob survives cuz its healed say, sanguine, healer mob, it can can keep attacking and doing the fear
this is where i run into the issue
steep bone
Ive seen above that You are a clicker, im pretty sure thats why You are having problems with stuff as You simply cannot react fast enough
sick sentinel
Hey all, so I’m somewhat of a newer prot warrior 1.9k IO tank, and have tanked every affix besides Necro. It’s something I’m “sort of” excited about next week cause i want the challenge. Main question is- is there a “hard number” of stacks that I should be kiting/resetting at? Is this more of a feeling thing (like some packs you can take more stacks, others you take less, etc) just would love some additional input from you guys before we jump into this on Tuesday
sweet summit
depends on your HP, the mobs' HP, cooldowns available, healer externals/mana, dps lads, want to chain packs? any hard hitting abilities incomming? etc
fuck kiting, id rather die. miss me with that shit 🤡
strong forum
around 30 stacks is where you should think about if you need to kite or not
if stuff is going to die before you die
and everything erga mentioned
steep bone
Isn't it like that if you're healthy as in full or close to full health you can keep fighting with pack and as soon as you'll start dropping (unless pack gonna die before you will) just kite?
dark warren
what i can do if the dps start the fight bursting mobs with bote and td this week? 
sweet summit
let them die
sweet summit
you have little to no control over this week compared to other weeks
and as resistance goes up, skittish is only getting harder and harder for tanks
as dps players get more damage per corruption than tanks
dark warren
yea, i tried a 20 JY with a very stubborn group
strong forum
tanks are pretty much corruption capped already if you run 7x vers3 + 2x IT1
dont have more slots available 🙃
steep bone
yoink zap asap in junkyard
sweet summit
gonna have to replace IT1 with IT2 soon
strong forum
soon ™️
strong forum
dont think so, as youll just be below 40
we can get 30 more resistance, so yeah. i guess 1x IT1 1x IT2
or a surging vita 3 rather than the 7th vers amp
sweet summit
:/
delicate plinth
I’ve heard a lot of their phrase “ilvl is king” for loot. Is it worth replacing 465 azerite for 475 if it does not have bastion of might?
strong forum
in most cases yes
sweet summit
you only drop ilvl on azerite for your first DC
or 5 ilvl for hc nzoth vs a normal mythic head without BoM 🤷♀️
delicate plinth
Thank you both
last mason
is a gushing worth going from 41 to mid 50s
how much of a boost in thing/slow is that
amber siren
most of the time youre going to be banking on 39 or 59 for either TFB or cascading disaster, the slow does scale a bit higher but it's not really a primary reason to cap corruption at
sick sentinel
im just saving for td on the 24th
dusky mica
41 to 56 with 1 Gusher is a 2% ish buff to dps and a 15% increase in the slow
if you're playing vers you usually don't have the gear slots for gushers and if you're playing TD why would you need gushers anyway.
rocky linden
Hows dps with a full vers build? I get that it doesn't measure up with a full TD build, but I'd think it's still pretty decent yeah?
dusky mica
depends on how serious you're taking it as a team
if you're doing the try hard shit with meta comp etc then your damage isn't a big deal
the mage and hunter will do it all
main vault
It’s going to be around 2/3rd dmg
dusky mica
full vers setup usually results in 40k average tclaps per target
sick sentinel
i thought gushing wounds was a meme for tank
sweet summit
its very cheap and very consistent, but mostly just for ST dps. doesnt transelate very well into aoe
dusky mica
it can do decent damage if you only use gushing
sweet summit
as tanks we might as well use TD everywhere for dps
dusky mica
it's all gonna depend on your play time right
sick sentinel
i mean, literal only things i want to buy with nya's are TD, haste, versa and +3cr's
dusky mica
if you're one of those streamer sad sacks who play m+ 12hrs a day then you can make multiple gear sets
sweet summit
throwing shade
dusky mica
for most people you want a little flexibility with the limited gear in your bags
not shade, just the truth
sick sentinel
my goal for end of season is just to time all 15's
dusky mica
if you can make around TD 6 from your gear then you can play around that
sick sentinel
but, that also involves TD and KR and i just can't be arsed
too many times died horrible death and people rage
dusky mica
TD is hard if you dont have certain classes to do cannons
however you can make routes to skip the cannon nonsense, mostly, and still time it easily
pugging M+ is hard yeah
everyone is a back seat general
sick sentinel
i mean yeah, but u have to do gators then
dusky mica
gators are easy count in that room
grizzled patio
hey guys so im trying to get better corruption for prot and i can seem to figure this out. i am a mythic nyalotha tank but and certain points i feel like am getting nuked
dusky mica
can do the thugs on top
grizzled patio
cant*
sick sentinel
oh yeah? i just open the gate and pull gator +2 dudes in stair well
sweet summit
no, you dont need vers in raids. proper play/cooldown management will get you further
dusky mica
depends on your route
sick sentinel
impossible (near) to not get 1 gator aggro
sick sentinel
i mean, why can't ppl do cannon? just don't be dumb, have them all CC
dusky mica
if you dont have ring of frost or vortex it gets out of control quickly
sick sentinel
whole group LOS, ring of frost, binding, roots
1st shot at back group, 2nd at front, 3 more all dies
dusky mica
sure if you have mage hunter druid and theyre specced correctly, and not stupid
warm plinth
Ring of peace, vortex and ring of frost all vastly simplify the process of doing cannons. Not having those makes it harder.
Not undoable of course, but harder
sick sentinel
LOS can force 99% of things to run to where u are
and so it also doesn't cast then too
warm plinth
Except you have multiple ranged mobs that stop and cast shit, some mobs recover from the shot and move immediately while others stop to cast, which separates them if you don’t have something to stop them, things like that
raven knoll
is versa always better then haste? also in lower keys? like what stat gives me more dmg?
dusky mica
re: mythic level tank person asking above, get vers corruptions if you're 'getting nuked' but you're probably playing badly
sweet summit
@raven knoll ilvl>haste>crit generally
warm plinth
Haste or crit is likely the best damaging stat (you can sim it for your personal weights).
raven knoll
i see thanks!
sick sentinel
21 kr final with all 4 ob's 👀
obtuse yoke
that was nutty
scarlet copper
are you able to watch for free or do you need a sub?
scarlet copper
says you need a G suite account
sweet summit
just make a free google account i guess
sweet summit
🤔
scarlet copper
like just regular Google account?
sharp night
oh yeah that would do it if they restricted it on their network
halcyon coyote
she's nice to listen to
sick sentinel
⛈️ 👏
distant crystal
is mdi on youtube still
sick sentinel
yeah
onyx agate
@distant crystal https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYDYtdKtavU link here if you want 🙂
warm plinth
How are they surviving Razdunk without heals? o_o
distant crystal
5 sets of mechagon heal rings
sweet summit
rebooting bit band
warm plinth
Seems like that wouldn't be enough healing for the tank; that's kinda wild
sweet summit
spirit mend owns, when you have 3 of them
distant crystal
i imagine all spirit mends were going onto tank ye
so when do we get 1 prot warr + 4 hunter keys
sweet summit
isnt there a rule that you need a healer or
warm plinth
Yeah I think there's a rule that you have to have 1 tank, 3 dps and 1 healer
sharp night
it's not 4 sets
tanks aren't wearing the mecha set
they're full vers with haste/vers rings
cedar radish
so is gear ilevel > state until like 470? i have 470 hands and 465 shark knuckle grips and not sure which to use
my 470 are hast/mast
rocky linden
Then 470 for sure
keen canopy
Hey, guys! Just wondering if there is a list of abilities in keys that can be reflected to great effect. Wasting Strike, Cyclone Strike, Sisters Bolts, etc. Thanks in advance. Looking for more obscure or lesser-known ones.
sweet summit
#268491842637660160 has a spreadsheet
keen canopy
Thank you
karmic meadow
is there a general rule of how many ilvls higher a piece of gear needs to be to be an upgrade regardless of stats?
modern brook
Yeah 1
still pagoda
all pieces except for rings and trinkets are going by ilvl over everything rule
karmic meadow
thanks guys
still pagoda
you can follow it as
ilvl > haste > crit >=vers > mastery
kind spindle
Theoretically how far can a vers build carry a bad player? 1? 2 key levels? I'm saving up for ramps cause I already have 5/6 TD + x2 IT set. Just trying to wrap my head around how much it impacts
still pagoda
zero
vers won't help you in keys below +22
since bad player also means that you barely know dungeons and the class itself
:D
sweet summit
1 maybe 2 key levels?
cursive burrow
But you're bad if you don't stack vers...making the healer heal you more so they can't dps/heal the other people.
kind spindle
Fair point. Just something I thought about. Bad players throwing on a vers set then magically a 18 or whatever seems like a cake walk so they think it's the correct play. Then tooting about how everyone else should do the same.
sweet summit
What @cursive burrow
cursive burrow
What my guild tried telling me about going in to Mythic Raids.
sweet summit
Fuck the healers
still pagoda
What my guild tried telling me about going in to Mythic Raids.
@cursive burrow
Fuck your guild
mate
cursive burrow
Tank damage hasn't been a problem yet. DPS and healers standing in things have been.
still pagoda
just know that they're dum-dum]
cursive burrow
Its reached meme status now.
sweet summit
still pagoda
sweet summit
Man, watching that fort-burst-volc-reaping waycrest made me sad
cursive burrow
Theyre all good people and none of us had done mythics until now. They just see what the streamers are doing and expected me to follow suit. Im far from perfect play myself.
still pagoda
sweet summit
Good luck mate
still pagoda
Time to kill is now
DPS have shown that they're dumb right away
and left the group
blaming the tank
ffs
sweet summit
kekw
still pagoda
no usage of their Cd's is their fucking problem
not of a tank who was just trying not to look at frames and not to see people getting killed by each fucking cast they didn't interrupt
sweet summit
Enhance
sweet summit
Its TD1 but worse
ivory topaz
@broken hare cleanse it if you have other corruption to put on your gear. If you currently have none available to you, it's fine. It's just less good than TD.
halcyon coyote
does ilvl over everything else apply to sockets too
ivory topaz
But you'll be cleansing it as soon as you can buy pretty much anything else
queen patrol
Any advice for tanking the fear obelisk as a 465 war in 15 keys? They seems to destroy me after my cooldowns are over
sick sentinel
Idk just shield block @queen patrol my warrior is around the same Ilvl and no issue for me
And make sure you clear the fear off yourself if it’s on you
kind spindle
The little guys bolster so make sure to kite if they get a couple stacks
sweet summit
bolster eachother, not the big lad
still pagoda
^
civic rover
@queen patrol use berserker rage if your healer doesn't know what a dispel is
sweet summit
the fear debuff is magical if thats what you mean
sour delta
i was hoping to find an answer here. I understand why you see some panda prot wars by what is the benefit of the vulp racials?
sour delta
yeah thats for the panda tons of vers from vers % corruption but what is the upside of the vulpira
warm plinth
Nose for trouble is a lot of healing in keys
still pagoda
^
but
seriously
play what you like
it won't bring much benefit unless you're going for the highest possible keys rn
sour delta
yeah was getting a little tired of the Belf visuals looking to change things up a little bit.
still pagoda
man
i played draenei ever since i started playing WoW
didn't have such problem
too bad there's no draenei on horde
sour delta
haha they are very unique
sour delta
yeah i can see how the draenei would be pretty cool
still pagoda
blood elfs are pretty cool too IMO
gilded nymph
yo boyz what azerites u recommend for 15+ keys ( farm mode )
broken hare
Just was able to craft my engineering Paramount Orthogonal optics. The 475's. Which of the second traits are best for prot?
I tried googling, but not finding a lot of results @_@
mellow patio
G I z m o
prisma crane
ideally it's 3x bastion, 1x DC, rest is whatever
there's obviously BiS, but those are good minimums
Skitra shoulders
mechagon chest
broken hare
I thought Gizmo, so I took it
So, corruption wise my goal as Prot warrior is TD I'm assuming. Is there anything else corruption wise? Expedient?
prisma crane
IT
broken hare
IT?
still pagoda
Ineffable Truth
prisma crane
mostly on stuff not affected by AM as well
TD and IT as filler
as in
all TD
IT1 if you have room
broken hare
Oh ok.
prisma crane
since TD comes in blocks of 25
broken hare
So just try and push for max TD value.
prisma crane
yes
broken hare
Fuckin' dope boys. I'll be sure to get all that TD with my limited echoes xD. God I love farming echoes.
prisma crane
yea, i love how its all the same currency /s
extra catch up items? essences? corruption? yep, gotchu
extra vessels? sure
broken hare
TD comes in prices of 5k's right? TD1 5k, td2 10k and td3 15k right?
still pagoda
TD comes in prices of 5k's right? TD1 5k, td2 10k and td3 15k right?
@broken hare
6250 for TD1, 10000 for TD2 and 15000 for TD3
broken hare
Fuckin' christ. Alright.
still pagoda
all corruptions scale additively
broken hare
Ah, makes sense.
frosty wren
Sup guys. Is there a WA showing me which spell i can reflect and which not?
slender nova
#ui-addons-manager there are a few in there probably
vestal cypress
Dont think so but in pins is a list
still pagoda
but there's whole big spreadsheet of reflectable casts
frosty wren
Damn, but thanks anyways
sweet summit
the spell reflect WA from #268491842637660160 is out of date and does not work properly :/
slender nova
Is there an essence I can use that's going to keep up with CnS?
I really don't like pvp'ing
sweet summit
aegis if you are constantly in combat with 6 or more enemies is better than CnS
but no, not really
you can use other essences, but none of them are close to CnS
plain hamlet
So just capped a warrior. What is the first essences that I should buy from mother.
slender nova
VoP
plain hamlet
Is vop still time gated or can farm it out with m+?
halcyon coyote
can farm out
sweet summit
m+
plain hamlet
Perfect
distant crystal
you can nab it in heroic too but it's rng
main vault
Buying VoP is the dumbest thing I’ve seen suggested
slender nova
CnS rank 3 is like 3-4 weeks right?
main vault
Its 4 lockouts if 1600
prisma crane
yea you can get VoP in one day with some dedication
seconding that it's a total waste of echoes to buy
prisma crane
it's not 100% drop chances, but yea
main vault
It is in m+
prisma crane
it's still "fast" compared to others
well yea if you go that route
just LFG low keys
main vault
Do 2-3 m+2
kind spindle
CnS rank 2 vs Aegis r3?