of everything else
#protection
narrow stream
novel ruin
You don’t pull them
narrow stream
yeah
it just makes count annoying in ml
which you typically want to frontload with peacekeepers
oblique garnet
You know theres plenty of other trash you can play than the first part in ml right
lusty karma
the trash after 2nd boss is pretty terrible
oblique garnet
You dont have to get the count from there and especially on bolstering week its just a bad choice to do the first part before first boss
narrow stream
the harder trash in higher keys is pretty brutal though
especially after 2nd
i think you just dont let peacekepers through
novel ruin
3rd boss trash is free
narrow stream
and you can still do 2-3 packs
novel ruin
Trash after 1st boss is pretty free too
novel ruin
Def be one of the least timed dungeons this week but it’s still a good week
novel ruin
Stuns/fears/CC, kicks
lusty karma
Last week was amazing, god I pulled so much trash in the WM 15 felt good
this week not so much
narrow stream
if tyrannical wasnt the worst thing ever, last week would be my most favourite week
pull everything
no reprecussions
whoo
novel ruin
Just do raals in 3 pulls instead of 2
lusty karma
Idk I think I hate Fortified more, I don't tend to have issues on boss fights, most of them are mechanics you can dodge/avoid and not die (although after doing TD 3rd/4th you may not believe that), the fights are a slog but easy trash feels good
Even on Tyrannical weeks certain trash in certain dungeons cough Shrine cough hits way too freaking hard
novel ruin
Trash usually feels free besides a pack here or there whether it’s fort or not
lusty karma
Constant magic damage, even at 45% vers it's doing 30% of my healht
narrow stream
tyrannical is punishing because time to kill goes up drastically
novel ruin
I can’t think of any pack pulls that change from a fort to a tyran week not including any other affixes
sick sentinel
would we use 485 Cara weapon or the haste vers sword from Wrathion?
novel ruin
485 wep
lusty karma
tell that to the fire mage in my 20++ UR last week, did 120k-130k avg on every boss
novel ruin
Prob was doing 300k on trash...
lusty karma
nah less on trash actually, lost to spriest/hunter overall/on trash
narrow stream
with a big bust mages will pull like 300k fort lol
novel ruin
Hopefully you were double pulling swarmed
sick sentinel
wouldnt the vers weapon be better
lusty karma
I was trying but it's UR and some of that trash gets tricky with pugs
sick sentinel
when we stack up the versatile %s
narrow stream
its not enough of a boon to vers % as weapon damage is
weapon damage increases your throughput a ton
novel ruin
If you had leech and a socket on the 475, maybe it would be worth until you socketed the 485, but that’s a big maybe
chilly brook
Fort and tyr are just aids period
narrow stream
all the top wars rolling lower ilvl for leech now lol
novel ruin
True
chilly brook
They're not interesting
novel ruin
Leech is not something to drop too much ilvl for though
narrow stream
Fort and tyr are just aids period
@chilly brook yes this too
novel ruin
Especially not at all if you aren’t doing WF keys
chilly brook
Literally just not interesting and not fun
narrow stream
like 15% leech lol
sick sentinel
would u use somethign like https://gyazo.com/420b66a198562c59c7077a9b2c3043ba
for the leech ?
remove corruption ofc, etc
novel ruin
Yeah
narrow stream
id keep the corruption teehee
novel ruin
Great piece
chilly brook
I just want more affixes like awakened where there are real benefits but it influences the dungeon in interesting ways
chilly brook
I'm hoping they do more like it in SL
novel ruin
Corruption wise it’s ehh
chilly brook
And start removing the crappy ones
lusty karma
awakened is fun but also punishing on tanks
narrow stream
dont you like.. BOLSTERING???
lusty karma
I enjoy it but my god if you don't know the routes gl
novel ruin
Awakened is fine for tanks
novel ruin
I love it
lusty karma
and the only way to know them is to do them, but people expect you to know them to do them so
narrow stream
it adds a learning curve
novel ruin
Started doing double obs last week
lusty karma
a massive one for pugs
novel ruin
I mean so does tanking
narrow stream
instead of learning shrouds you just have to learn where to drop shit and snap
sick sentinel
is bloodsport a thing now that leech is apparently a thing
narrow stream
lol
narrow stream
no its not because everything else you can get in that ring is better
re: bloodsport
novel ruin
@sick sentinel for super high keys, it can be
sick sentinel
whats super high
novel ruin
Whoops, thought you meant the leech trait
sick sentinel
i do 23-24
narrow stream
im gonna make a bot that says USE TWILIGHT whenever someone says a number lower than 23
novel ruin
Until your slots are already filled
lusty karma
I've seriously considered the avoidance corruption for M+
sick sentinel
novel ruin
Not for tanks
novel ruin
I would rather have the haste/vers mythic legs
narrow stream
the problem with losing haste/vers
is that eventually you lose enough haste
that it starts sucking
lol
novel ruin
^
lusty karma
I'm still at 30% and happy
narrow stream
im at 45% into the fray
novel ruin
I have 50-55% into the fray
narrow stream
its not like the other stats are bad its just haste feels better
novel ruin
32% base vers
novel ruin
It does
narrow stream
when we were talking about sh*dowlands i wanted to bring up that prot war feels great because its fast to me
sick sentinel
not sure if thats too low
narrow stream
nothing else feels nearly as fast
novel ruin
Imo a bit low
narrow stream
maybe vdh but vdh is boring
and dropping haste on prot you kind of lose that feeling of fast
yea if you are running td you want a ton of haste
i ran expedient and td5 up until vers rolled around
and it felt great
lol
sick sentinel
is there a pin about what the bis list would look like or at least azerites
narrow stream
three tds in a pull and youre at like 180k for the pull
novel ruin
I run TD3, IT R1 x 2 and Some Vers
novel ruin
3 BoM, 1 DC
narrow stream
everything else is mix and match
but the best helm is helm of malevolence
best shoulders is the skitra shoulders
lusty karma
I swapped full vers, planning to buy 2 IT R1 when it's up and run the rest vers
civic rover
try to get as many heart of darkness that you can
narrow stream
and the best chest is either the mechagon one or the raid ones
civic rover
assuming youre over 25 corruption
lusty karma
just makes it easier because it works for Arms for Arenas as well
TD seems to be mainly for raids or low level M+ n ow
(low level being 18 and below)
or maybe 20 and below depending on dungeon/week
sick sentinel
ty for the help, appreicated
civic rover
TD is the for fun build vers is the tryhard push build
novel ruin
22keys aren’t low
lusty karma
well when some keys are +2 harder than their level cough KR cough it can skew things, 20 KR with Tyrannical is rough
sick sentinel
alright got the 48% haste with fray
lusty karma
nah this website is gold
narrow stream
narrow stream
yea that too
novel ruin
Raider io can be different if they log out
lusty karma
similarly this one for raids
been relying on those since sims are a joke for tanks (and I don't care for them in general)
narrow stream
well yes but its fairly obvious when a prot war is logged out in fury gear
lol
raider.io actually shows you tertiary stats on gear too
ie leech and speed and shit
lusty karma
higher tiers have multiple sets though, and always have to factor in they're running high keys so if you're sub 20 it's gonna be different
higher tier players *
novel ruin
25 keys are different that 22 keys
novel ruin
Yup
narrow stream
theres an exponential gap going upwards
its very significant
but dont worry all you need to know is TD all the way up to 24
8------------)
lusty karma
Yeah that's something I wish they'd address/make more linear
narrow stream
the scalings fine
its fort/tyr that make it bad
because a fort week is so much easier than a tyr
lol
just take it out and let keys naturally scale up
lusty karma
not just that but some keys are way harder than others regardless
like KR, bosses hit like trucks
or SotS
compare those to FH/KY
JY*
it's completely unbalanced
narrow stream
yea but that can make your comp vary a bit
lusty karma
I'd like more balance across dungeons
novel ruin
Facetank a 24 Tank OB versus 22 tank OB big difference
narrow stream
whereas tyr is much easier on you and harder on everyone else
lusty karma
Tyr KR the spit gold one shot some of the dps in a group I was in, healers couldn't keep up, was kind of funny
narrow stream
fort kr
novel ruin
Did you safeguard
lusty karma
nah didn't know that trick before I did it, wasn't expecting it to jump that much after crushing a 20 UR/JY earlier that week
novel ruin
In 21+ Any KR I would run Safeguard
lusty karma
Yeah definitely
lusty karma
healer was also knew to 20's, guild is still getting their key levels up
novel ruin
Rough week for JY
civic rover
My raid leader makes everyone do a 15 each week and running 15s with some of those people is very interesting
novel ruin
Are you mythic raiders?
civic rover
Yeah
novel ruin
Makes sense that would be an expectation
civic rover
But like I shouldn’t have to tell them to go get the shock bot lmao
lusty karma
M+ is way more personal responsibility than Mythic raiding
novel ruin
Bolstered Trashtossers and Blasters gonna chunk. Plus no starting Gunker in NA
lusty karma
Yeah it's a rough week for JY but that's like an average week for any other dungeon lol
novel ruin
I guess
sweet summit
JY is never bad 
sweet summit
what is next week
lusty karma
but my god when you get those bots
narrow stream
+2ed my 21 jy last week
novel ruin
Gratz
narrow stream
The only hard party was Trixie or gob first?
Er last night
Because it starts at gunker
In Na at least
sweet summit
always gob to grab bots, boss if no areal unit
novel ruin
Go left to Gunker
Get bots outside of Gunker
Take OB to wherever you wanna go after lusting first pull
I typically do the single Spinny machine on hill, double coilbearers and 3 pack outside of Gunker, lust it
lusty karma
I'd normally go Ob to Bondo's Yard, clear there, do boss, clear to trogg
novel ruin
Then either go to Gunker or go to OB
lusty karma
then I prefer doing ob to ob to ob to boss at the end
feels good, or skip last ob if the group can manage
novel ruin
King better 2nd lust than Trixie though
lusty karma
on non-tryannical weeks you can normally 1 phase last boss with dps pumpers
on tryan you probably want lust
novel ruin
Depends on key level
sweet summit
Renormalizer+mage=yuge
novel ruin
DH
sweet summit
Big comp actually
civic rover
i run with two hunters and an outlaw rogue
lusty karma
double hunter is nice
novel ruin
Prot warrior, holy Pally, DH, 2 hunters
lusty karma
i just wish warlocks were meta, my god a warlock can bring a lot if they're good
sweet summit
Meta slaves 😂
lusty karma
i still bring them but the game is working against them in M+
lusty karma
gates, cookies, battle rez, interrupts and more
civic rover
is mistweaver considered bad in M+?
sweet summit
Absolute pumpers
novel ruin
If you pull around their CDs
sweet summit
Nah
novel ruin
Yeah
sweet summit
Crane is large
novel ruin
Destro does no damage outside of infernal
lusty karma
to be clear player skill/coordination in groups can overcome most F tier classes badness, it just takes a lot more work
novel ruin
^
civic rover
the healer i push with is a mistweaver and he can't get into pugs for the life of him
novel ruin
MW good
civic rover
but he's a god tier mw
sweet summit
Thats just pugs tho
lusty karma
i've played with locks who do 170k on st boss fights which was eye opening
novel ruin
Once you get to a certain point, don’t really wanna pug
sweet summit
If its not orange or pink it cant heal 🤡
civic rover
lol
lusty karma
yep
blazing condor
How viable is Vial of animated blood as a prot trinket? got a 475 one in weekly and otherwise got vita(445) and urchin(445). i also have a 470 gore-crusted
novel ruin
Use vita and gore
sweet summit
Id use vita and block
lusty karma
should be able to pug a mythic wrathion and get humming which is fun too
sweet summit
Vial is very strong for fury
blazing condor
guess i should sim it. according to bloodmallet vita is more dps than vial even at 475
but idk how true that is
sweet summit
Use raidbots instead of bloodmallet
blazing condor
alright thanks
havent really played since 8.2
so not sure whats best anymore : s
narrow stream
I like gob first because that's the only area anyone's dying at
So get the bots and move on
There's only two problematic areas in fort jy
And the dangers to your group rather than you
If you accidentally pull two acid slimes you're cooked
Or if you get unlucky with trash tossers
novel ruin
I pull two slimes all the time 😮
narrow stream
I never do it lol
lusty karma
Spell Reflecting the big slimes gives me a warm and tingly feeling
narrow stream
Too afraid of a DPS dying
novel ruin
I just tell peeps to use defensives and make sure healer has wings
narrow stream
And bitching about it lol
novel ruin
I don’t do it in PUGs
novel ruin
And if they die that’s their fault
novel ruin
Yeah
novel ruin
You can wipe once
That’s about it
I tell DPS to do better
Health pot, Cookie, Defensives, Kick, LoS, etc
civic rover
you forgot the skittish special
still pagoda
Yelled at 3 dps already today
@novel ruin
I did this in +20ML right now
novel ruin
Oh guys
strong crescent
As DHs all do
still pagoda
smh it is timed
novel ruin
Did 21 Atal today with a rogue
still pagoda
with 2 garbage DPS
lusty karma
My resto druid decided to kitty charge the last boss of Shrine last night at the same time as me before I hit it with anything and got smacked, had to call animal abuse hotline
civic rover
mm yes the druids who catweave on grievous weeks
novel ruin
Every fucking time I went to a snap spot and before I finished typing out to let Druid hibernate and Rogue to sap the Screechers, he tricks everything to me
lusty karma
@novel ruin Don't worry he's got this he knows tricks to tank
still pagoda
mm yes the druids who catweave in tyr WS
lusty karma
i heard it's similar to flying a kite
novel ruin
I wish I could successfully pull the little guys out of the Dino’s in Atal middle pack
Such an ez pack but bolstering 😦
lusty karma
Do you snap them by hopping to the ledge?
novel ruin
Yeah
lusty karma
just learned that last night, seems fun but dangerous if missed
novel ruin
I used to miss all the time until I went backwards
lusty karma
our hunter QQ'd about his pets not knowing how to leap when we discussed it so we didn't do it
still pagoda
just micro the pet and it'll be fine
lusty karma
I'll let him k now
olive gust
is ML a good dungo to run Null barrier?
novel ruin
Either Strength of the Warden / Sphere
sweet summit
Null is decent for damage in workshop actually
Other than that i dont run it myself
lusty karma
If I ran Null it'd be in Shrine, normally in ML you can skip the bad casters
Shrine everything casts all the freaking time
sweet summit
Never null in shrine
lusty karma
even then though NB isn't really worth
Sure but if you're gonna use NB I think Shrine is better than ML for trash/bosses
still pagoda
null in shrine is not needed
sweet summit
Null is a ST essence
still pagoda
all the magic damage here is avoidable
sweet summit
So doesnt do damage in shrine
As the bosses barely pop it
Unless you stand in eye
lusty karma
Possibly
novel ruin
Just run Sphere or Strength
lusty karma
To be clear I'm not vouching for using it
novel ruin
-10 corruption big poggers
lusty karma
but Shrine has some of the highest/most frequent magic damage of any dungeon
so if you're running double or triple ranged
with bad interrupts
you're kinda screwed
sweet summit
Its the lowest damage taken dungeon
sweet summit
This
lusty karma
lot's of avoidable but it hits hard almost everywhere
and chances are someone is going to get hit especially on bigs pulls in pugs
novel ruin
But everything is avoidable or lockable
lusty karma
and there's more pug groups than non-pugs
sweet summit
You dont need to face tank everything
lusty karma
right with a well coordinate premade group sure
sweet summit
You can kite/los a lot of places
lusty karma
majority of players aren't in well coordinated premade groups
still pagoda
@sweet summit
still pagoda
novel ruin
You aren’t going to really care about the casts going through if you are doing 10-15s
lusty karma
people stand in shit, etc.
sweet summit
Poggers key
still pagoda
with totally garbage DPS
sweet summit
My group isnt well coordinated
sweet summit
Yet its still the dungeon where i take the least amount of damage
novel ruin
Go to KR
sweet summit
Ill pass
novel ruin
Take Big Damage
lusty karma
problem is you have to save interrupts for really bad shit so normal stuff goes off quite a bit
and that's if your dps don't overlap interrupts
or interrupt when you have SR up
which will happen in pugs a lot
novel ruin
Hub
sweet summit
The scary part are casters before first boss
novel ruin
^
sweet summit
And yoy can outrange/los those
novel ruin
Stun their Wash Away cast
sweet summit
Yes
novel ruin
They will restart Wash Away
lusty karma
if everyone is interrupting everything Shrine is easy
sweet summit
Stun/fear but not kick
lusty karma
I've just only seen that maybe once or twice
novel ruin
Bigger issue I’ve found in PUGs is Templar not getting kicked/purged
novel ruin
So trash takes twelve years
lusty karma
so then I stun those but the dps decide to DR the stuns
sweet summit
Belf YEP
novel ruin
Alliance here
sweet summit
:(
novel ruin
So I have Siege, worst dungeon
sweet summit
I dislike siege with a passion
sweet summit
Agreed
lusty karma
do you do the fence dance before third boss?
lusty karma
you can glitch a few things to make it easier but yeah still sucks
novel ruin
Gonna try bolstering spotter before 2nd boss and take it through monkey towns
still pagoda
everything about it is a literal slog
sweet summit
I kinda like TD if we dont pull through walls/floor/roof or whatever
lusty karma
trash before 3rd boss you can have ranged sit behind the fence on the left and you tank on other side and horse charges don't go
same is true for horse after first boss if you take him down to the right side of the building
lusty karma
also trash can't fit between the fence on the right before third boss so you can jus thop it and they run back/forth
novel ruin
We all sit in melee generally anyways with commanders
It’s alliance raiders that 1 shot
With a random Iron Hook
lusty karma
oh ally side right, nvm not sure what's diff there
sweet summit
Unavoidable oneshots are fun
novel ruin
Do you create a mob that has a 0.5 second cast time
That isn’t fun gameplay
It’s like FH
Only boss I like in FH is 2nd
sweet summit
I like sitting still on a rock
novel ruin
FH is only fun cuz you can pull and have the space to pull like a mongo
warm plinth
Only boss I don't like in FH is Trothakk and it's because it's just too fuckin buggy
still pagoda
^
mellow patio
Hate the RP
novel ruin
All the bosses feel like sloggs with no interesting mechanics besides 2nd. RP is stupid In M+.
Oh, alliance siege has RP whereas Horde doesn’t too
novel ruin
Yup
inner cedar
Have only played alliance side, whats the difference?
still pagoda
there's only one bomber pack in horde siege
no RP
and less annoying trash overall
inner cedar
Oh the packs are actually different? Assuming its just that first area before first boss
still pagoda
and also footmen+gutters instead of marauders everywhere
Oh the packs are actually different? Assuming its just that first area before first boss
Not just it
inner cedar
Well either way, siege still sucks lol
still pagoda
^
warm plinth
The first boss is different as well; the hook is not dodgeable on horde, but the adds are capped
And then after 3rd boss there's like 20 seconds of RP for no reason before the door opens
on alliance
Whereas horde opens instantly
worldly ermine
What def essence should i play at mm raid as war prot ? ty and what stats should i aim
distant crystal
crucible conflict null warden
is p standard
o wait i guess it's usually vop over conflict
still pagoda
this late into the tier
mellow patio
Nah VoP over null
still pagoda
just use CoF major and VoP/Null, CnS, Formless/Sphere/VoP minors
slender nova
Anyone here playing fury as off-spec tried putting a couple of severe on some gear?
Is it worth it, or should I just stick with my TD stacking?
Currently have 1x Rank 3 TD
I like playing fury for some lower keys, visions etc
distant crystal
i was wearing severe because of fury offspec pieces for a bit
it's kinda lame, the crit you get from severe doesn't give parry
i wonder if anybody runs wv minor
to simp for a wv major mage
🤔
slender nova
I don’t really push keys or anything I just thought it would give me a nice dps boost when I do play fury
Rank 3-4 of TD is enough for me as prot
distant crystal
i think TD is prob close enough for fury
slender nova
Ahh
distant crystal
like the diff between severe and TD for fury is smaller than the diff between them on prot
if i had to guess
grave lily
i'd rather save for vers amps, even though i'll never "need' them
novel ruin
@slender nova Go TD, works well on Fury. Severe doesn’t do much for Prot
slender nova
Thanks. I’m simming pretty low for fury to be honest, still using 450 azerite pieces since I haven’t got spares
Also, a 445 off hand.. will keep working on it alongside prot
lethal plaza
2 blood siphon 1 head my call or 2 heed my call 1 blood siphon? Or is it so small it doesn't matter?
warm plinth
I’d use the two blood siphon
distant crystal
unluck
cedar radish
Hey guys, my guild is needing me to switch from arms to prot for mythic prog, but my gear is mostly expedient, i know i should target haste/vers on gear, but should i definitely be switching out those expedients for TDs? Otherwise would some vers corruptions be worthwhile?
civic rover
expedient's alright but TD in raids is what you want
cedar radish
okay, and should i gem/enchant haste or vers? i see both on top tanks
civic rover
haste
cedar radish
so when i see tanks with all vers gems, are they more M+ based? or what's going on there?
oblique garnet
Pretty much
Allthough haste has a breakpoint where its better to go vers even on ST
But thats mostly just for damage
cedar radish
well then since i wanna keep my offspec arms i might try to leave some expedients on and just get a few pieces with TD
still pagoda
You can slowly get separate set for prot
But surely arms gear is not that bad for prot either
In current tier, i wouldn't really bother by now
Everything is overgeared by now
sick sentinel
So in waycrest manor left top door isnt open
how can i figure it out where to pull the obe to to get to the other side. because sometimes i take the obe around raal side to triad and then bottom is closed so then i have to go top and waste even more time
sick sentinel
^ i drag it over and sometimes the door is closed on the top or bottom so then i have to go ALl the way around again
still pagoda
Lightfoot potion to the other door
sick sentinel
ok just figure it out whether i can get in from triad or raal
still pagoda
If the bottom or top is closed
sick sentinel
ok ty
still pagoda
You can easily go back from balcony to bottom triad door in 2 seconds
And backwards in around 5 seconds
With Lightfoot potions
sick sentinel
yeah. pug groupsd get mad at me when i pull it aronud
sick sentinel
any good soruces to learn dungeon tricks like certain boss tricks or anything likw that or just watch vods and try to remember
still pagoda
Different PoVs
Deswind and Nerftank can be looked upon for sure
Especially later's pug keys series
obtuse yoke
do y'all ever ask for freedom on mythic wrath
novel ruin
@sick sentinel Depending on week/group if i dont get top left, i use first lost in courtyard, clear courtyard, goliath, raul area (and maybe Raaul depending on key level and group) then take Courtyard OB to witches. Then work backwards from witches room to kitchen area. Its def slower but not getting top left will always be slower timer by a min-2min. Doing CY first can help get lust on CD faster
@obtuse yoke Tanks get prior on snare clears so def ask for freedom/tigers lust.
sick sentinel
Ok ty
So from courtyard Obe if bottom is closed on triad side I can just lightfoot to top side
novel ruin
I forget exactly how the doors work but i believe if you get bottom right door, you will have to go upstairs to witches
sick sentinel
And you use lust in courtyard for which pull? And if it’s top left you lust triad, and then where else
novel ruin
if you get top right door, bottom witches door will be open
sick sentinel
Ok
novel ruin
Tyran Lusts: Witches, Goliath, (lord and Lady on High Keys, this is healer specific too. Pally this fight is easier than resto druid) Or Last Boss
Fort Lusts: Witches, Either big pull with Matron in CY or Pull all of Rauls room into Courtyard and Lust that, Last boss
On a week like this (bolstering) and in lower keys (while learning) it is okay to just lust bosses
novel ruin
Lower keys is different for an individual but normally 18s and less in my mind
Once you start hitting 18s, PUGS are generally going to expect you as the tank to have a general route and knowledge of the dungeon, wthats dangerous, to step up and be a leader
sick sentinel
waycrest is the weirdest for me even though objectively it doesnt feel that hard to tank
novel ruin
just have to be careful of spits
sick sentinel
i just got screwed on obe going down into basement
novel ruin
Are you obing downstairs?
sick sentinel
yeah
novel ruin
doing spider with last?
sick sentinel
well do you place the 3rd obe on the stairs before lord waycrest or somewhere else
novel ruin
yeah on those stairs
then i tend to pull that entire room in front of lord and lady but you need to kick soul volley
get them out of the warding candles
and use DEFENSIVES
Alll 7 of those will truck you, especially the marked sister
sick sentinel
what about in this room
i mean the obe from raals room down
where do you place that one
or is that a good spot
it cost me my key last time. but ig if i take that obe to stairs i just get the % a different way
sick sentinel
you dont kill the caster there you kill it with last boss
gets kicks sorted lust and burst the caster ranged can los the casts aswell if needed
cedar stump
is there a reason everyone uses lurkers piercing gaze instead of a Haste/vers weapon?
grand drum
its highest ilvl weapon in the game
coarse radish
Raw item level on weapons gives you a lot of value as a baseline and it's the only real 1hander to use from n'zoth.
hallow phoenix
what is the proper timing to reflect evoke anguish on nzoth
by the time big wigs says its coming
i already have the debuff
😦
civic rover
Do you have timers visible to you
upbeat orbit
what weapon enchant do I use?
cedar stump
cool, that makes sense, so a 475 weapon would be better than a 470 from heroic nzoth if I cant kill mythic nzoth?
warm latch
Just did a Kings rest with my prot war and got chewed up... i feel like every pull was rough in there. Not used to taking damage like that.
lethal plaza
What other tanks do you play?
warm latch
I messed around with vengeance I’m just confused on how I can survive the some things in there. That shadow of Zul dude just pumped damage on me. I’m pretty new to tanking
grave lily
ah yea, he pumps
warm latch
I just stay alive long enough for people to kill it? 😂
main vault
Or run
cinder nova
Is Versatile Nav or Force Mult more DPS?
lucid dew
Is there another verst trinket other than the alchemist stone?
bold plover
Nexii 
lucid dew
Can’t decide if it’s worth re rolling alc
If I’m stacking verst corruption is havinf the alchemist stone over vita or dragon scale that much of a boost?
hallow phoenix
yes
alch stone is like 550 vers with vers amps
509 vers for me with +78% vers amp
knotty fiber
If I have some 445 azerite, and have run heroic for the week, should I buy dungeon azerite to replace or wait for 475 azerite?
sweet summit
Id wait for 475
tough estuary
Hi guys I'm new to the warrior class and was wondering if someone can help me clarify how attack and ability pro works.
For example if i have a Geti'Ikku, would abilities like mortal strike proc the bleed or is it just the auto attack that procs it.
Pls help!
proc* works*
sick sentinel
if I have no wish to push m+ past 20 and 25 but will try to push mythic ny'alotha as much as possible, which corruption sounds better? Twilight Dev all the way for damage or Versatile? I'm guessing Twilight Dev?
sweet summit
In the raid, little to no vers is needed
But as you go higher in m+ you might want to look into vers
In the 20-25 rage it depends on you as a player. No you dont need it, but it might help you live
So no, you dont need to stack any vers. Pump the twilight
But keep in mind, if you do drop twilight it will hurt your damage output
sick sentinel
thanks for the answer
split wyvern
New prot warrior, just high 120 ran a couple dungeons having a blast. Any advice on how to cope with the high action per minute with prot?
sweet summit
Git good or get got
Jk
You just have to play more and get used to it
As you gain more gear and more stats, the apm is going to increase
split wyvern
Cool, thanks
orchid frigate
went in 3 times in SoB with fire mage in group and it was a fiesta. would the combination mage/SoB/bolstering be the factor or was it just probably overall bad play?
orchid frigate
i guess
well got the key done
got a workshop as a thank you
i remember start of bfa where you could just delete bad keys 😄
distant crystal
the good ol days
orchid frigate
mhm
obsidian girder
Morning folks - I read yesterday in a wowhead post, that prot warrior will be quite cut down AoE wise. Can anyone tell me how it actually feels in alpha compared to bfa ?
sweet summit
#698541559049748520 please
sweet summit
😄
obsidian girder
😋
winter loom
Since bolstering motherlode is a pain this week, would you guys activate the most peacekeepers while everyone else stays in nyalotha?
like just run through the hub?
quiet crane
I mean once you get to the spotter in sob it’s free, it one shots all the mobs for the rest of the dungeon
quiet mauve
Hey folks. Is there a way to make Omnibar track friendly player cooldowns? I already have it installed so would be easier to just use it instead if other add ons. It tends not to show friendly player CDs like combustion etc. If theres an easy way to do it then would be helpful for anyone to tell me how ^.^ if not i can just install a different add on
Also yes...do we let the peacekeepers activate in motherlode this week?
sweet summit
Use libgroupinspect and zentracker for m+ psrty cooldowns honestly
You can let peacekeepers activate. But it will make it harder to execute
Id just run it without peacekeepers tbh
quiet mauve
Same here,the charged claw will just delete you if its bolstered
sweet summit
Reflect it or kite
Im more thinking of the extra hours you have to spend on a peacekeepers HP
And it bolsters twice since there is a jockey inside it
quiet mauve
Fun fun. Atleast we make up time on boss fights this week
No longer need to start crying on the 3rd boss motherlode this week
sweet summit
I always cry
royal rune
is it me or is it impossible pugging keys this week
ionic fern
Any week where affix combination puts pressure on dps players is a bad pugging week.
hidden plaza
Are you implying something about dps players?
mental scarab
😂😂😂😂
idle idol
Dps ammount on bolstering is not the metric u ahould be looking for
Cuz ppl with the most dps are generaly the problem
Beam players on bolstering looking at you
slender nova
Would anyone be kind enough to run my warrior through a 5 mask? 😄
sick sentinel
so i play mainly arms, and want to carry my friends as a tank through 10-15+ mythic. Any recommands for the keybindings? Is there any help in the internet? I am completly overwhelmed if i switch. I want charge on the same key but i dosnt fit smothley in the protection spec. now i have charge on C in protection and Shift+1 in arms. 😦
loud shoal
I mean keybinds are all personal comfort.. can't recommend those you have to figure out what works for you... anytime I switch specs/classes I try to have similar keybinds.... charge for fury/arms/prot is the same.... major defensive button for all 3 is the same... major dps cds are the same..etc
that sounds bad
sick sentinel
well Shift+1 and (^) for charge and heroic leap 😛
loud shoal
my charge is shift-r ... Like i said it's all preference
sick sentinel
loud shoal
why not have avatar the same bind as bladestorm or recklessness?
sick sentinel
its very nice to have avatar on S1 and not charge^^
i can show u my arms wait a sec
loud shoal
it's fine I get it
sick sentinel
damnit bartender isnt saving the keybinds for each spec ... god damnit
loud shoal
in the end you have to do what's more comfortable for you, but I do think there's value in having keybinds that correspond to similar abilities across class/specs... i.e same keybinds for movement abilities/major defensives/major offensive, etc
quick orchid
^on my mage I have every CD that is not spec specific on the same keybinf across classes
Specs* makes it much easier to switch
sick sentinel
well, i think my "not saving" keybinds for each spec is a bigger problem lol
dense swallow
Is Rezan’s Gleaming Eye a viable trinket for prot?
sweet summit
its good
dense swallow
Ok, provided I’m doing sub-20 keys with TD, would I use that and shell?
winter flax
why do we want 2 30% ITs?
loud shoal
below 20s keys you can def do double dps trinkets if you want, and vita would be better than rezans
but that's fine
dense swallow
What other dps trinkets are good for us
toxic gyro
dense swallow
Ok cool
strong forum
@winter flax because it scales very well with AM, and can allow you to reflect some boss mechanics back to back instead of only every other
And IT1 is way more efficient than IT2
IT1 is 30% for 12 corruption
IT2 is 50% for 30 corruption
You can do the math why 2x IT1 is better than 1x IT2
winter flax
ah ok ty
still pagoda
@dense swallow in keys higher it really depends on your comfortability with the spec, affixes and your group. Sometimes you can steamroll +22 with double DPS trinkets, and sometimes you will see healer ooming in +21 :D
still pagoda
steep bone
Hi frens 
still pagoda
hey
i timed +20ML yesterday @steep bone
smh
Bolstering ML is indeed a key for total psychopaths
steep bone
Guild wants me to tank nzoth, besides reading stuff watching vods etc are there any tips for prot? I got told from other tank that i may be slapped super hard by bashers without vers gear
And gratz karton
steep bone
Either dk or war
polar hamlet
What macros you guys use as a prot warrior?
still pagoda
i think that it is better if we ask someone who actually progged on the boss
Sense or Hawgz for example
sweet summit
/cancelaura bop
strong forum
Only use mouse over macros for charge/intervene
Pummel
Taunt
still pagoda
also Heroic Leap @cursor macro
sweet summit
targettarget intercept
slender finch
@sick sentinel can only recommend a mouse like logitech g600 or similar
i have lots of stuff just macrod on mouse sidebuttons and alternate with shift+mousebutton
so 24 keybinds easy accesible
steep bone
Mmo mouse is indeed giga
sick sentinel
@slender finch i tried it but i refund it im a not big fan of MMo, mouse
polar hamlet
I got a corsair scimitar pro. Just didnt bind a lot of keys on it yet.. ;p
strong crescent
Mouse wheel for primary attacks makes smashing buttons fast
strong crescent
S6 is for crypt keeper fingers
slender finch
its just so much faster and more comfortable with mouse
as u dont need to move hands at all
and just press it with thumb
steep bone
I have binds on mouse for most of stuff and on keyboard im just using cooldowns so i dont fatfinger anything
slender finch
on keyboard I legit just use wasd and 1,2,3,4,5
rest with right thumb on mouse sidebuttons
polar hamlet
Nice
sick sentinel
i use S1-3, SX and SC also! i mean C is my CD for Arms and S+C is the same with battle potion
slender finch
yeah but how do you press shift x or shift c
while still controlling wasd
thats the main isuse
issue*
strong crescent
I use Q, E, Z, X, F, R, C, V, B and then shift as well for all those cause they all so close
Don’t need to hit wasd non stop though
sick sentinel
u easily walk with mosue with M1 and M2
and press S+X = its for my Bloodelf race spell
strong crescent
Ya I have right click down almost the whole time to spin around and move
sick sentinel
also i can press S+X and also W lol
steep bone
So about nzoth m, what about that versa part, is it tankable without amps? I could drop some ilvls for vers items and put 6% amps but dunno if thats good idea tho
warm plinth
Shift x is battle shout in his pic, which you aren’t exactly dancing around in combat when you press that. And shift c is his cloak which is at most every 3 mins so
sick sentinel
well thats not importent spells hehe
steep bone
Last time i said that cooldowns arent important spells i almost got gkicked xD
sick sentinel
well in a Mythic guild u should bind all your spells in a good way
mellow patio
If you can press your buttons without dying or getting someone else killed it’s none of your guilds business how you bind your buttons
steep bone
What about clickers 
raven knoll
what essences are you guys running for shrine? and any tipps on the magic dmg intake?
steep bone
Interrupt water blasts, use SW and IP
If casts goes through not much u can do, and if u kite youll lose aggro
raven knoll
okey thanks. on the first few pulls if there are mostly casters is it even worth to use shiedblock at all? or pump all my rage into ingnore pain
steep bone
If mob is meleeing ofc
But also what lvl of sots are You doing
Because if its low enough to just pull pack by pack then do that as i assume pugs doesnt do kicks at all or they are overlapped
deep steppe
With bolstering this week, do you guys just pull 1 pack at a time to prevent getting a giant bolster, or do you chain pull?
steep bone
organized grps you can chain pull or cc big mobs take smallies alone then take big ones together - depends on pulls etc, or just do pack by pack for safety, seeing bosses from future expansions is often view in bolster pugs
deep steppe
Yeah I really don't like see a mythic raid boss for shadowlands after about 4 pulls 
steep bone
pack by pack is your friend then, i assume you're not doing dungeons where you have to big pull or depleto so just go safe mode, remember you're gonna be the blamed one for wiping, you or the healer if you pull big and wipe that is 
deep steppe
I'm just doing keys in the 17-20 range, so nothing too major. Just trying to hit all timed 20's before shadowlands
steep bone
You can deffo go pack by pack then 😄
deep steppe
Perfect! tyty ❤️
dense swallow
Is there a good resource for what big pulls can be made in every dungeon?
slender nova
MDT
loud shoal
that's something you learn with experience and what your group can handle. you can peep at streams to see what the top peoples are doing as a baseline
scarlet copper
is it the same bang for your buck between vers 2 and vers 3? like does it scale to make vers 3 more desirable, or is it linear?
still pagoda
it is linear
steep bone
with vers3 you can get more vers in general as you'll run out of item slots
sick sentinel
What key range is haste > vers Bert
Better* and what is a decent base haste to aim towards and base crit, I’m unsure how I should balance it
sweet summit
20-25 depending on you/your group generally. you dont need vers for those keys, but thats when most people start looking into it
sick sentinel
Ok and what about baseline haste
I feel like my rings aren’t balanced and my gear and don’t know which direction to take
sweet summit
as high as you can get it really. even when stacking vers, haste is extremely good as always
scarlet copper
do you guys ask your group to delay coming into blob obelisk so the eyes can all target you for a giga reflect?
sick sentinel
Okay
steep bone
you can reflect only one can't you
sweet summit
you can reflect all of them if they cast at the same time
narrow stream
it depends on which blob and where really
if its not necessary to snap them you can ask your group to hold
but if you want to snap them
you need everyone in at once
and then start running towards where you want to snap them
strong crescent
Just don’t snap them to SL
sweet summit
👋
steep bone
@strong forum can i dm you?
tame garden
😳
still pagoda
No please snap them to SL [2]\
little bough
are Spectral Berserker's bleeds reflectable?
strong forum
Sure
little bough
thanks 🙂
still pagoda
if you want to join ofc
sweet summit
inv
narrow stream
please consult this screenshot of twilight devastation 3
i am tired of
the sad looking capes
on vulpera
😦
cursive hedge
if i press shield block twice in a row, do i waste any of the duration?
sweet summit
no
cursive hedge
that's awesome
steep bone
ez
sweet summit
i hard inted first pull
steep bone
have you had boss from SL?
still pagoda
yes
sweet summit
@still pagoda boss on "X" marker, could not hit it from LoS spot
still pagoda
- we forgot to use BL on the first big pull
sweet summit
and tank p1 normally, in the middle of the arena
sweet summit
scuffed UI :(
sweet summit
do i? 👀
scarlet copper
is CnS major a safer bet to run in general? or is it only useful in specific keys
still pagoda
it is a niche for mid 20's
sweet summit
VoP is the safe general essence
Lucid is great once you have "mastered" the spec
and CnS is niche as stated above
still pagoda
also since it's a fucking ML
and a +22
so. Erga
want to do it or not?
i'm not going to push anyone into doing keys
sweet summit
i kinda dont want to do ML this week 😂
sweet summit
can do my shrine maybe?
still pagoda
which shrine?
sweet summit
there are multiple shrines?
steep bone
shrine is
literally timed 19 with like 30 deaths and giga fuckups xD
still pagoda
i did really clean +20 last shrine last week
steep bone
i hate tyr weeks
still pagoda
but it's a fucking slog anyway
steep bone
I mean tyr weeks are peepolove but not in shrine, last three bosses are just no go zone with puggerinos
still pagoda
exactly
sweet summit
tyr 🤢
still pagoda
all bosses in tyr HoV were giga memes
scarlet copper
you guys aren't shield blocking at all during Shadow of Zul right? spam IP?
sweet summit
the higher keys you do, the more you want to look into using shield block
he melees between casts you see
still pagoda
^
sweet summit
but IP is very epic
still pagoda
and they can kill
icy harness
sweet summit
fuckign Tol 
lucid dew
Anyone know when versatile rank 3 comes back?
lucid dew
Perfect
sweet summit
gold content
steep bone
here we go
steep bone
Ill do my best to clap him to death
sweet summit
clap harder
lucid dew
Rank 3 verst is 5k echoes right
still pagoda
yes
sweet summit
wow sucks what do i play instead
sweet summit
fuck
steep bone
fortnite 
sweet summit
🤔
strong forum
WE LOVE FORTNITE WE LOVE FORTNITE
sweet summit
default dance
strong forum
That screenshot alone, exactly depicts what I hate about Bfa