This week actually hasn't been that bad for my group. We were dreading it and we have actually pushed more keys this week then last week with explosive.
#protection
sturdy quest
obtuse yoke
i pull things to the corner too, but certain corridors i get a little tripped up
yeah this week was pretty good
sick sentinel
I got fuckin 460 hands from AD with SPEED
Mother fuckin SPEEED
I just want the shield ; _ ;
sturdy quest
shields seem to be rarest item for me this expac
unless its the fucking mechagon shield
I have 10 of those
simple mural
Because I was bored!
sick sentinel
i got the mechshield at 475 in my m+ box few weeks ago
sturdy quest
Do you guys use mouseover macro for intercept? Or find it useful rather
warm plinth
I use mouseover intercept, yeah
modern brook
i alt modify it to mouseover
i like ouse over for friendly targeting cause of the frame but targeting enemies is hard for me because im not an int spec
warm plinth
int spec?
modern brook
intelligence
its a joke because im stupid
sidebar: when using lucid major, do we still take vision minor?
mellow patio
Yes
cinder nova
Need help with trinkets.
I got...
- 445 Sigil of Warding
- 445 Ancient Tuskarr Sea Charm (Vers use)
- 430 Remote Guidance Device
- 430 Jes' Howler
- 417 Computation Device (1208 Haste proc + 172 Haste/57 crit)
- 415 Rezan's Eye
I assume the best two are the device and the Howler.
But
mental anchor
Comp and Rezans probably
vagrant mirage
Hey guys, best website for prot build?
cinder nova
vagrant mirage
well that was easy.. Thx!
analog zinc
zul makes me wanna kms
We have lust, I'm pulling 70k hps, my monk is pulling 90k
& I still die before he does
on just an 18 .-.
cinder nova
Oh the shade?
steep bone
We have lust, I'm pulling 70k hps, my monk is pulling 90k
& I still die before he does
on just an 18 .-.
@analog zinc do You spam IP, use last stand, shield wall, monk also uses his CD that arent overlapping with yours, healstone (just get stones from lock and save one for zul) and healpot is also used? If its not dead by that time and ure dying just kiiiite
scarlet copper
if Rezan is chasing us and someone else taunts to slow him down at the end, can we taunt back right away or do you have to wait
warm plinth
His pursuit is a fixate, taunting should do nothing
steep bone
Only thing You can do is to shadowmeld to cancel it - others can shadowmeld for You too
Correct me if its already fixed, havent played ally for quite long
plush topaz
sup boys
main vault
Who else still trolls dps with fixate as BrM
mellow patio
That would require me playing that character
main vault
I like to play around time to time
mental anchor
Yep any shadow meld still works
warm plinth
Well you should never be targeted if your group is doing it correctly
Ranged DPS + someone else who can drop the fixate (i.e. with vanish, invis, w/e) should run out of melee range
after fear
And then he'll target one of them
Like whoever is mobile/can drop the fixate basically
scarlet copper
I thought there was something you could do to stop him from speeding up at the end if he's chasing you and your group doesn't have a meld
warm plinth
He only does that if he targets the tank, and like I said, if your group does the mechanic properly, it should never target you
But you can outrun him even when he speeds up if you take advantage during the time he's slow. Run to the very end (don't touch the wall or he'll yoink you), and then as he's getting closer, you run along the wall a bit and you should be out of range long enough for the debuff to end
olive gust
if just runnin 15's would VoP be better than lucid for major? should i run Lucid minor instead of Null, Strrength of warden, or Aegis?
also Stat priority?
left hatch
Ilvl>Haste>Crit>=Versa
and if you're not used to making big pulls around cds to make the best use of lucid major then yes VoP would be better
Ideally VoP major, CnS, Lucid and Aegis/Sphere/Str
aegis if you like making big pulls/pulling trash with bosses (need to be in combat with 6+ targets consistently to make it worthwhile)
STR if you need corruption resistance
Sphere otherwise
Null has limitaed value in M+ due to the overwhelming majority of damage being Physical so its rarely consumed, and neither its dps nor its defensive benefit scale into aoe like a stat essence would
sturdy quest
What order would you unlock your essences on a fresh character?
By unlock I mean buy with echos
left hatch
Purchase CnS and Lucid asap because they're time gated
manually farm out VoP
then... depends how much corruption you have
either Sphere>Str>Aegis>Null
or Str>Sphere>Aegis>Null
sturdy quest
thx
scarlet copper
should we use block during shield wall?
undone sun
They aren't mutually exclusive
upper oar
anyone here with proper knowledge on how to keep Dread Captain Lockwood (3rd boss in siege) hostage so she doesnt jump back on the ship
or atleast delay it
warm plinth
Run C&S major, pop Avatar as she's about to withdraw, TC right as she leaps and keep spam-a-lammin that TC key as long as you can.
upper oar
yeah i got that part its just timing when shes about to jump
not sure if i can trust bw/lw timer .. do you guys use a weakaura for that
scarlet copper
do you guys think prot war will still be meta for keys in SL?
warm plinth
No real way of knowing that
upper oar
N OMEGALUL , but he might be i just doubt they will tune warrior to still dominate
dark warren
a 475 azerite w/ BoM is better than a 480 w/o it, right?
main vault
si senor
civic rover
@scarlet copper too early to tell
no end game content has been played yet, leveling is generally pretty trivial no matter what you play
ocean heath
when you're dragging obelisk guys around, how fast do you go? I died like 3-4 times in TD 11 from just dragging them around
I don't think my healer could catch up
warm plinth
Depends on which obelisk it is
cinder fjord
For keys, is there a recommended amount of SB uptime (as measured by details)? Like that I should be aiming for
warm plinth
Eh, not really. Higher is better ofc but effective uptime is more important than actual uptime
coarse radish
Which obs were you having trouble with? If it's just an 11 I really can't see a scenario where you're dying to anyone unless you were super LoS of the healer and working on heavy grievous stacks. In general it's going to come down to how far you're taking it, which lieutenant, and if your dps are unga bunga-ing into them. Like the start of how you're pathing Urg'roth is super different than what you're doing with blood of the corruptor and even within blood it's going to depend on where you're taking him.
ocean heath
tried 2 +11 TD today and I was super low or dying one the urgoth going through the tunnels and the blood
one took 1 hr and another took like 40 min
not sure how to control the mobs in there to lay down pools
grand drum
lol just starting a 20 TD
ocean heath
lotta chaos that i couldnt concentrate on my abilities
warm plinth
TD is probably not a great dungeon to practice sanguine on if you're just learning. Humanoids are aggravating as shit already because they flee at low HP. And TD adds a very closed environment on top of that
coarse radish
In general have something ready for Urgoth as soon as you go in. Like maybe two globals to establish threat than book it over the tumors while having a cd or at the very least block up for spirit breaker
It's important to remember that spirit breaker is a massive hit on yourself but it's also a 100% damage taken on everything which means A) the tumors are going to moderately chunk you and B) you're going to be taking damage if you haven't maintained distance between yourself and him and he's just wailing on you
But yes TD is absolutely awful on sanguine and for pillars
solemn venture
Should be no reason to not ss, tc, taunt then leap/ chain charge tumors / lightfoot before he is able to spirit breaker u off pull
ocean heath
yea i think i got hit in that long hallway
coarse radish
Yeah like gnatty said though as soon as you enter like two globals on him and then leap/charge out of the tumor field
By that point even with spirit on you I don't see him chunking you that deep with block up
Unless, again, you're super high into stacks of griev and your healer is just in the corner slogging it through the tumors
civic rover
in the perfect world tank breaker won't even be near you most of the time assuming dps go ham on him while you're running
solemn venture
U can take the one hit, that debuff is what will kill u with autos
On 23’s it starts to get pretty serious with the follow up auto after spirit breaker
civic rover
if you leap at just the right time you can also "dodge" spirit breaker
warm plinth
He can hit you through the floor with spirit breaker in TD btw @ocean heath , gotta give him a chance to catch up coming out of the tunnel before you try to cross
coarse radish
TD sucks
solemn venture
Leaping the spirit breaker is big, do it when it’s up for sure!
warm plinth
I mean, if you leap away he's just gonna recast it when he gets close enough. Might stop for Dark fury first but he will recast it as soon as possible
vestal pond
How much vers should I stack and what’s the next to go with it haste? And is there a cap where diminishing returns kick in
warm plinth
If you're not doing like 23+ I wouldn't bother with vers
civic rover
i only have a vers set because i had the echoes to get a ton of vers 3
don't even know if i'll ever actually need it tbh
coarse radish
The real galaxy brain play is to just stack vers so you don't miss the haste too much when we hit shadowlands
warm plinth
Let's not talk about the death of haste pls
coarse radish
I'm gonna cry
vestal pond
I’m at 21 crit, 19 haste, 22.5 vers and 22 master
civic rover
i do think, however, that if you're pugging a healer having 1-2 vers corruptions might not be a terrible idea.
warm plinth
Vers corruptions do relatively little if you're not actually stacking vers, which isn't the play unless you're doing very high keys
12% of nothing is nothing, after all
vestal pond
Currently waiting for versatile to come up this is just my alt apex
calm magnet
is there a damage mitigation meter on details?
ornate magnet
how does IT work? does the % stack or having multiple just increases the chance of proc?
warm plinth
% stacks
ornate magnet
nice, ty!
feral onyx
legs from ToS with alot of versa and some crit vs the legs from atal with equal amount of haste and versa?
for high keys where versa is needed and i use versatile too
sweet summit
Id go haste vers
sweet summit
Get ra-den legs then ;)
upper violet
:^)
distant crystal
not with that attitude
steep bone
good morning warriors
sweet summit
onyx vessel
No
Not gonna lie ravager should be baseline for prot or removed
Never gonna be talented
steep bone
what's up with ravager meme?
hallow phoenix
hallow phoenix
i credited you
hallow phoenix
i parried it
upper violet
hallow phoenix
cause ravager was up
steep bone
mind if i post meme here?
upper violet
i dont the mods might
hallow phoenix
what mods
steep bone
i post then delete quick 
onyx vessel
strange tide
That was 14 seconds
steep bone
damn
hallow phoenix
thats a ban
onyx vessel
hallow phoenix
if i had enough ineffable
i totally would in 15s and shit
Right now all i have is IT4
steep bone
@hallow phoenix when td procs when you approach pack so it's not optimized to hit all targets at once and you lie down crying
sweet summit
I can use 260%. But i need more 
hallow phoenix
Vivv thats why i turn my back to mobs and dont use any abilities until theyre all gathered
sweet summit
steep bone
actually 500IQ
hallow phoenix
dont tclap
steep bone
dont tclap
@hallow phoenix
hallow phoenix
you can quote me on that
steep bone
hallow phoenix
So what would the ideal ravager stat spread be? crit > haste?
outer prairie
Is InTruth stacking and ravager really a thing? Even if it’s meme fun.
sweet summit
Not yet
hallow phoenix
its meme fun but i dont think anyone has actually tried it
hallow phoenix
i dont think its hasted
sweet summit
Then its gotta be crit>haste
outer prairie
And here I thought I could finally save echoes for exp corruption with Arms.
hallow phoenix
flat 1 rppm i thought
sweet summit
With naga hide enchant?? 😳
sweet summit
Doesnt naga hide give parry or something
sweet summit
Nvm it just procs off parry/dodge/block
hallow phoenix
actually awful enchant
strong forum
So you get to use ravager twice every minute
steep bone
is blob guy from spire doing physical or magical dmg? I feel like he's pumping me so damn hard
hallow phoenix
blobman hurts
steep bone
fear guy is
steep bone
these lil guys are stacking debuff on you
silent hamlet
Hey everyone, I need your help: looking for a detailed guide for M+ as Prot Warrior. For me I dont know which stats, corruptions and Essence I should go for when reaching a certain level of keys
steep bone
outer prairie
@sweet summit I’m super curious in the ravager build. Let me know how it goes.
hallow phoenix
heretic Rosjen
outer prairie
Bad who cares. Fun is what I’m looking for.
sweet summit
True 
outer prairie
Shift+space sounds like a good keybind
hallow phoenix
i have ctrl space
sweet summit
Alt+g
hallow phoenix
i feel like i could accidentally hit shift space
while jumping and doing a shift+other key
steep bone
alt+f4?
hallow phoenix
alt f4 and by the time you get back in the mobs are dead cause ravager did its thing
steep bone
truuuuuuu
outer prairie
Alt+f4 is my TC keybind
hallow phoenix
oh i dont have shift 1 bound
steep bone
16 was pretty residentlspeer but i think in 18 im gonna get slapped
hallow phoenix
WCM bring mobs into courtyard
avoid fighting in hallways
courtyard is your fren
steep bone
that ye
hallow phoenix
Put reflect up when guards do their shadow cleave
You can side step the gorger's spray thing
they dont turn with you when theyre casting it
steep bone
aegis yay or nay?
hallow phoenix
only if youre running all the vers% corruptions
hallow phoenix
then noh
hallow phoenix
You can reflect maggots as well
wrecks the little buggers
Are there any other mobs that give you trouble?
steep bone
what if we get top right/down doors
well i think witches
and these packs close to witches boss
hallow phoenix
I force the first obelisk to coven's room
steep bone
in left side
hallow phoenix
so we always start there
steep bone
even if it means u gotta run through whole instance?
steep bone
pugs may take that as 'wtf u doing <kick>'
hallow phoenix
First pack -> first ob -> Sisters room
most people know it
guarantees lust on sisters which is nice
steep bone
ive pretty nice pulls when starting with sisters, but when we're going from the right its pure aids
hallow phoenix
Just force the route 🙂
steep bone
if you outrun that guy to witches is he gonna spawn somewhere
hallow phoenix
takes like an extra minute
as long as you dont jump over any railing the lieutenant wont snap
steep bone
sometimes i had guys buggin on the fence
bcuz running with lightfoot there
and safe snapping him somewhere
hallow phoenix
yeah just dont jump
steep bone
but last time it happened he evaded for good
hallow phoenix
I just lightfoot and book it
no jumping or anything required to snap. let the sucker run
your team can dps him with dots and stuff while he does
outer prairie
Interesting. I’m going to have to try this going forward
civic rover
ye it's always best to start sisters to get lust on cd early on
gilded niche
Do I buy haste or vers gems/enchants?
sweet summit
Are you vers stacking?
gilded niche
eh Im fairly new to prot
gilded niche
alright cheers
glad ore
what haste % do you aim for?
marble cipher
all of it
sweet summit
As high as possible wothout dropping ilvl generally
steep bone
guys do you have some addon for managing friend list?
i used to have one long time ago but no longer remember its name
steep bone
https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/friend-groups-continued i think its actually this one
Actually how do warriors do so much damage with all those vers amps corrupts
instead of TD*
quiet hornet
Clap clap clap
amber siren
vers is still 2% damage for every 1% damage reduction, so it's still pretty decent for damage and doesn't have any RNG component to it
sweet summit
Hawgz did the math once
quiet hornet
TLDR thunderclap?
steep bone
actually tru
sweet summit
If you do 50k dps in a dungeon and we will say 40% is TD to make a nice even number. Take away 20k dps from your overall. You are now at 30k dps. In order to achieve 50k dps again, you will need a 66% increase to your base damage to hit 50k. And that is not accounting for the fact that TD is hitting all targets in most pulls whereas abilities such as devastate, SS, etc do not
A lot of vers
sour silo
Well with vers amps u usually have 100% vers every pull and u are unkillable so, win win
steep bone
and for vers amps we need vers gear right
sweet summit
Ye
steep bone
so isn't full vers with vers amps gear better than gear with just td?
as in vers gives both damagi and survivability
strong forum
It won't turn out to be more dmg
And "usually 100% vers every pull" is an overstatement, for that you need almost perfect gear
full monolith
I started playing Full Vers 1,5 weeks ago and I wont ever go back. In 23/24s I dont have to go full vers, yet it feels so much smoother. I also recommend it for 20-22 if you do have the gear. Like if you do not time a 20-22 it is not due to the Tank DPS anyways
strong forum
Dying in 20-22 is also not due to gear/corruptions
steep bone
are we speaking about doing 20-22s with people that play key perfectly tho
full monolith
But due to bad pugs
steep bone
in pugging world there are lots of missed/overllaped interrupts no stuns etc
full monolith
^this
I mean I am pugging most of my keys. Thus I know what can happen in those keys
strong forum
Gearing around bad play feels wrong to me. And shit in 20-22s doesn't hurt besides that 1 water bolt, that still doesn't 1shot
Most of the time it's the dps that die to mechanics rather than the tank being the one that dies
That's my experience, is the dps randomly dying that fails the key, not the tank
full monolith
I thought the same until I switched. Now I can live a pull with healer and 3 dps down and wait for them to come back. Happened in 24junk and 23siege
strong forum
If dps is shit dps is shit
full monolith
But if you can save a key you save a key.
strong forum
If you think that makes a difference
Haven't gotten to the point yet where I'm the issue
full monolith
Nah you cannot compare group and pugging. Even with non-meta comp
But as you said: It is about fun 🙂
strong forum
All im gonna say is, it's rare for more than 1 person to do over 90k dps
But that's about as much as you can expect off of a boomy and feral
steep bone
treents
hallow phoenix
recently got an spriest too
which was really nice this week for clutch mind controls when we fucked up positioning
sweet summit
Priest is yuge in ws
hallow phoenix
honestly VE and mass dispel are so good
we have 3 melee kicks even with boomie spriest
so the extra utility is nice
sweet summit
Rsham? :o
hallow phoenix
rsham 🙂
full monolith
Rsham is big
hallow phoenix
our does ~40k overall
sweet summit
Idk of this is common knowledge
But you can MC the tinkerers in workshop
And use the bomb thing and insta blow up any mobs in the pack
hallow phoenix
rsham bigly underated
i think last shrine we did his lava bursts were critting for 250k or some nonsense
warm plinth
Rsham has no AoE beyond 3 targets. Disc really has no AoE besides multi dotting since afaik nova hits for garbage
Hpal has glimmer and consecration
sweet summit
Its not always about aoe
What about prio damage
The pull isnt over before the last mob dies
hallow phoenix
you want the cleave damage in shrine last boss
for that one trash pack
everything else is single target i suppose
strong forum
Hpal during wings is higher dmg than rsham
But rsham doesn't need CDs to pump ST on that boss
stiff oracle
when does hpal not have wings with 9 ineff 😂
strong forum
It's just that rsham has to decide between healing and dealing dmg
When every other healer doesn't have to
hallow phoenix
hpriest
strong forum
Hpriests don't exist
hallow phoenix
😦
steep bone
survi hunters lul
strong forum
Was boutta mention them too
sweet summit
Not talking only on that boss
But like in general
But i guess the same thing there
Hpal top
hallow phoenix
probably Hpal > MW > i dont know what disc pulls overall
but rsham can do 40k or so depending on key
hallow phoenix
kick ❤️
strong forum
/gkick
hallow phoenix
downplaying kick on healer is silly
strong forum
I'm not downplaying that, shaman has great tools that your dps should do
hallow phoenix
^
strong forum
I have done keys with nothing but rsham since late s1
sweet summit
One extra melee kick is yuge
I have no idea how shamans heal tho
Do they just chain heal
Or?
hallow phoenix
chain heal when its free and a few other times
healing surge seems to be the primary
sweet summit
O
hallow phoenix
i dont really pay attention to his healing breakdown
sweet summit
Its nice to know how healers work, so you can play around them
But i rarely see rshams so i dont bother
hallow phoenix
rsham doesnt really have any healing cds i gotta pull around
just very consistent throughput
no real setup either like an rdruid would
sweet summit
What can they dispell? Same things as a druid?
hallow phoenix
magic and curse
sweet summit
That tells me nothing :(
hallow phoenix
umm
sweet summit
Idk what school spells are
hallow phoenix
i think shaman is the only one that can dispel two schools instead of 3
hallow phoenix
yeah we have every dispel covered
purge is great too
in temple we just let the nimbus bois cast
sweet summit
Big
strong forum
Shaman is 24/7 healing surge spam
Have a hard time with grievous cuz their mastery is dog
Shaman can only dispel curse and magic ye
Disease and poisons are rippy if you don't have monk / druid dps in group to dispel you
sweet summit
Cant priests do disease?
hallow phoenix
yes
strong forum
Ye but priests don't exist
stiff oracle
what does your rshams play in keys?
sweet summit
And poisons?
stiff oracle
talents
stiff oracle
thats what im wondering 😄
strong forum
You should play cbt, but my rsham hates it
stiff oracle
high tide or ascend?
hallow phoenix
high tide
ionic fern
I usually rock high tide also
sweet summit
The one i played with used acendance in shrine
hallow phoenix
Ascension isnt bad
stiff oracle
essences?
strong forum
Cof major or vitality
ionic fern
Go look up a resto shaman guide @stiff oracle
hallow phoenix
Ours runs void so he can steal lucid or beam depending on his mana at hand
or CoF major
sweet summit
Gamer move
stiff oracle
nah im about to start the key @ionic fern 😂
ionic fern
👍
sweet summit
😂
hallow phoenix
he used to run vit major in temple but i think he said he'll be running lucid from now on
which means void
stiff oracle
this weekly no leaver has no idea whats coming at them
ionic fern
Only time i have issues as resto shaman is when i pug and we have 2-3 ranged dps who refuse to stand together so i cant chain heal.
sweet summit
Let them die
sweet summit
"But my manifesto"
hallow phoenix
😦
strong forum
They always are max range
hallow phoenix
one day
stiff oracle
w/e ill run cof major
strong forum
Steal bote
hallow phoenix
thats too big brain
strong forum
:kekw:
hallow phoenix
ours doesnt use ewt
stiff oracle
loooks ait
stiff oracle
why would u play 10% on griev
strong forum
Mines only recently starting to play 10%
hallow phoenix
to avoid one shots
sweet summit
So am i
strong forum
Mine is screeching 24/7 that he can't top people off
stiff oracle
😂
hallow phoenix
your rsham needs to learn to love CBT
sweet summit
I cant read cbt without reading cock and ball torture
strong forum
Former 2.8k Arena player that thinks he's the best shaman world
ionic fern
Cbt is love. Such a good talent.
strong forum
But then refuses to play different shit cuz he doesn't like it, but also complains
stiff oracle
its very good but man I hate it
sweet summit
Does cbt only absorb healing from the shaman?
hallow phoenix
cbt doesnt absorb healing
amount of healing you put out (including overhealing) is kept track by it
then heals based off that amount
but yes only from the shamans sources
and i dont believe essences contribute
sweet summit
Ah ok
sweet summit
Gush
hallow phoenix
gushing stronk
sweet summit
Is that TD i see 👀
hallow phoenix
my rsham made a vers set
hallow phoenix
get that parse
strong forum
Literally missing 1/3rd of its power
autumn pendant
the hell is cbt
idle idol
upper violet
steady slate
CBT needs more skill to use correctly than i've ever dedicated to resto spec
if it can't be healed with jesus beams, then it can't be healed
dry bridge
If there's more than 1 target ever TD
dapper stump
What if its ST
dry bridge
I run td all the time
dapper stump
Do you use IT along side TD in raid or just Pure TD?
sweet summit
IT is cool, but one extra TD would be more damage
strong forum
If you run TD6 you can fit 1xIT1
dry bridge
Pure td
strong forum
102 resist with essence
6x 25 = 150 hm... Guess you actually can't fit the IT1
misty charm
Guys is warrior the tank that takes the least amount of dmg at the moment or why is he so good right now?
faint condor
yes
too many def cds
i was main druid/ pally but the amount of cds a warrior has is untouchable
misty charm
So its not the Mitigation itself its the cds that make him that strong?
faint condor
well... is the metigation cds 😄
faint condor
pally has giga burst also... even stronger than warrior, but then u sit down and wait for it come back
misty charm
im trying to figure out what tank to play and i like the aspect of taking so little dmg but i kinda dislike the thunderclap spam tbh
Pally has giga burst? 🤔
sweet summit
Warrior has avatar (big dam) for every pull, multiple times in one pull
faint condor
as warrior, the talent to reduce cds is so strong that u may even have last stand in every pull
sweet summit
Yeah
strong forum
You can translate AM to be a 50% cdr
faint condor
yes, cuz u cant have 100% uptime in shield of righterous
strong forum
Prolly higher now
faint condor
i have a question for the minmaxers.... what is the best ally race for warrior... and NO, CANNOT BE A TALL ONE
sweet summit
Dwarf/nelf
strong forum
Belf/vulpera/nelf/dwarf/panda
faint condor
hmm
sweet summit
And you use the gnome toy anyway so the height doesnt matter xP
faint condor
how about mechagnomes?
misty charm
generally speaking is warrior always good at mitigating dmg or is it just the patch that makes him so good? historically speaking..
strong forum
Mechagnome can't compete with dwarf / nelf / panda
faint condor
always
sweet summit
Warrior has been top tier since they fixed us back in s2
strong forum
Warrior is pure midigation
sweet summit
And in s1 we were not bad
strong forum
Really strong ever since 8.1
sweet summit
Only "problem" is that we dont heal
faint condor
warrior is the class that best scale with stats (or at least in the top 3)
strong forum
That's bogus
sweet summit
"Scaling with stats"
strong forum
No tank scales differently than others
sweet summit
What does that even mean
strong forum
Every stat is linear
sweet summit
Ive never understood that
faint condor
no, its not
sweet summit
Ye ok crit has heavy parry dr
faint condor
haste in guardian druid increases very little your tankability, in prot warrior, prot pally, its much more important
strong forum
That's just different stat prio
faint condor
what i mean is... every stat is strong for warrior, for other tanks u need specific ones
sweet summit
Every tank is giga stacking vers for giga keys now anyway. Idk if vdh is stacking vers yet tho
misty charm
looking into shadowlands will warrior still be so good at mitigating damage? Do we even know that yet?
strong forum
Nothing set in stone
slender finch
Not every stat is linear 🤔
misty charm
Would you say warrior is one of the more difficult tanks to get into?
slender finch
No
sweet summit
Yeah
strong forum
If you're new to tanking yes
sweet summit
Warrior and bdk is probably the hardest tanks to play idk
misty charm
im not new to tanking but i just havent played warrior a ton
i strugle with bdk so hard lol
strong forum
An experienced player will always say nothing is difficult, but for a new player with little experience warrior is one of the harder ones
sweet summit
If you misuse your resources as bdk you just die
misty charm
tanked a +17 with it the other day and i just seem to be on the verge of dying 24/7 thats why im looking at other tanks
sweet summit
Same with warriors
faint condor
yes, versa is the top stat, i know... but the point is... if u get ANYTHING as second atribute for warrior, it worth, as long as versa is the main.... for guardian, u need the first stat to be versa, and the second must be mastery or hast... cuz crit = crit for them...
for us, crit = crit + parry
faint condor
yes, u are right, but dodge has very high diminishing returns
sweet summit
So does parry
strong forum
So does parry
faint condor
its the same?
sweet summit
Yes
misty charm
whats diminishing returns again?
slender finch
lower results
faint condor
alsways tought was like 70% worse
strong forum
Less value the more you get
slender finch
For same invest
misty charm
hm kk
misty charm
Thanks for explaining 🙂
faint condor
so for alliance race is NE > DID > Panda????
strong forum
Depending on what you do
strong forum
If you stack the shit out of vers% corruptions panda is best
slender finch
😂😂😂
sweet summit
slender finch
Goblin > all
strong forum
If you wanna do fancy skips with full group, nelf
sweet summit
Dwarf is the safe pick
strong forum
If you just wanna tank everything without niche use, dwarf
faint condor
kul tiran?
sick sentinel
is icyveins legit
slender finch
Goblin
sick sentinel
over wowhead
strong forum
Yes
still pagoda
icyveins is legit
slender finch
Cuz ite the strongest race
still pagoda
wowhead is meh
sweet summit
Yes IV good
slender finch
belf useless
sweet summit
Its not written by mwahi
still pagoda
^
still pagoda
sweet summit
Because we like Mwahi
sick sentinel
so over every class icy?
steady slate
you're both wrong. noxxic is the only reliable site for wow guides
sweet summit
strong forum
faint condor
well.... my problem is about the size... atm im LFgoat... very often i get stuck to pass my doors with avatar turned on, specially in mechagon workshop, yesterday tank buster almost ate me alive, i had to expend last stand and shield wall to get time, turn off avatar so i could pass by the door
gloomy holly
You should try tauren. XD
ionic fern
Female LFD are fine.
faint condor
so, all my def cds to the bin cause of size problem
frail oar
or play Gnome directly
sweet summit
Its a must if you play HDH in high freehold keys 😂
steady slate
at least warriors defensive cooldowns come back pretty quick
sick sentinel
why do some people say 3x 3x traits.. deafing crash and bastiom
steady slate
i think LS is technically a cooldown, but a cooldown with a 45 sec - 1 min timer isn't really a "cooldown"
sweet summit
Because that was a thing in season1 and season 2 @sick sentinel
sick sentinel
outdated
sweet summit
Last stand is just shield block
sweet summit
Never ever use method guides
sick sentinel
noo?
sweet summit
They are dogshit
sick sentinel
oh shit
steady slate
shield block plus juicy health for twilight devs
sick sentinel
i will
sweet summit
faint condor
did any of u tried to use mechagnome decoys in the pull??? they keep the aggro? at least for not having adds going for the dps and healer?
sweet summit
Na mechagnome looks dumb so i dont play it
steady slate
i kind of like mechagnome models. if i played alliance, i might play one
novel rapids
Hello, first time here, sorry for the hijack of the question but i had the same "problem". My main is a guardian (ilvl470) and for the past few days of been playing a prot warrior (only ilvl430). Was wondering for M+ which to use. is there any big differences between both classes (except the number of buttons the warrior has :)? thank you.
sick sentinel
can some1 tell me why the beam from vex add fuckes me hard?
sweet summit
The biggest difference between bear and warrior
sweet summit
Is that bear is squishy at the start of the pull, where as warrior is the most tanky at the start of a pull
Because healers are not dispelling you
steady slate
despair debuff?
sweet summit
No, the add
novel rapids
dmg mitigation and dps wise both are the same?
sick sentinel
the add beam
sick sentinel
i use 2x ignore pain
sweet summit
Roughly @novel rapids
sick sentinel
still fuck me up
sweet summit
Because healers are not dispelling you
sick sentinel
will tell them
novel rapids
Rosjen thank you. ill give warrior a try for M+
sweet summit
Never go over 10 stacks and youre fine
sick sentinel
dispell while beamin ?
sweet summit
Yes
sweet summit
sick sentinel
love ya
sweet summit
😳
steady slate
oh look! there's two DKs! isn't that adorable?
novel rapids
is that mostly due to dmg done from the warrior?
sweet summit
No
sweet summit
Bdk dies
faint condor
it doesnt work in real gaem
sweet summit
Warr lives
faint condor
game*
sweet summit
Chinese does not no
steady slate
i sort of like my dk. he's got some cool abilities, at least i think they are. i just feel like i'm trying to walk through a tar pit whenever i do anything with him and it's annoying
strong forum
♿
loud shoal
you should have screenshoted that whole page so you could see me at the bottom lolol
faint condor
so yes, u can play all tanks and u can be the best of your spec.... but the NUMBER ONE DK is worst than the NUMBER 43 warrior
sweet summit
Ok
grand drum
My dk feels like hes made of paper compared to my dh, who is way less geared
sweet summit
???
steady slate
i think the solution is to bring a monk with tiger's lust whenever i tank with the dk
sweet summit
Ofc at the very top there are going to be big differences
loud shoal
what about bears
sweet summit
Bear owns
steady slate
bears are fine
faint condor
bears are cute, but too short on big def cds
steady slate
but they have that huge health pool
sweet summit
Bdk and vdh have higher hp than bear
steady slate
the tank spec i just hate playing is prot pally.
loud shoal
there's 4 bears and 3 bdks in the top 100
faint condor
20% more life and 20% less base armor, no block, no parry, no critical block
still pagoda
faint condor
this is the big boy....
sweet summit
Point is, if youre asking here what to play
It doesnt matter and you can play whatever
faint condor
^
still pagoda
^
modern brook
i missed most of this conversation
but im a big fan of this expansion beginning with the Chad BDK and their utility and is ending with them being statistically worse than us
truly we are viable
steep bone
If youre not pushing top keys then anything is fine id say
sweet summit
90% of tank deaths are misplays from the tank
sweet summit
Cant blame it all on the spec
still pagoda
^
modern brook
I can
steady slate
sure you can. if you don't blame the spec, then you have to blame the player, and we all know every player is a R1 pushing WF
steep bone
^
modern brook
I mean the thing that gets me is that ppl think composition / spec choice really matters in 15s
steady slate
it doesn't.
modern brook
as if we dont roll that shit over through sheer numbers at this point anyways
grand drum
Prot pally doesnt have a proper resource which i think is the issue, but thats getting addressed in SL with holy power
strong forum
Doesn't even matter in 20s aslong as the dps can press their buttons
steady slate
i don't generally like priest healers, but that's because i've had really bad experiences with them. other than that, i just like to keep a bloodlust and battle rez in the group
steep bone
Because priests arent that easy to play
modern brook
Priests also lack many of the tools other healers have
steady slate
they don't have an interrupt, do they?
sweet summit
Shaman is the only healer that does
steady slate
really? i thought pallys and druids did too
modern brook
no interupt; no displacement effect, no soothe or purge, their dispel is narrow
steep bone
If pugs are spergs then priest life is just kms
steady slate
at least rsham has the best interrupt in the game
anyone else notice that when putting a pug together a tendency to getting classes that you already play? i tend to bring in shaman, i think in part because i'm comfortable with the tools a shaman brings
sweet summit
I pick whatever has the highest rio score
steep bone
I Pick hunters over mages 
steady slate
that strat's been hit and miss for me lately. i suspect i'm getting the duds who're buying their rating
steep bone
Just rio them
steady slate
i tend to go the other way and pick mages over hunters. too many hunters have no idea how to control their pets and i dislike surprises
steep bone
It is easy, if their runs are done with 3-4k+ players while they are 2k themselves its 99.9% boost
steady slate
man, that's a lot of work
steep bone
Mages arent doing good enough on key levels im doing besides pumping bosses
Few clicks
steady slate
work work
steep bone
I dodged boosties a few times doing that
steady slate
maybe it's worth it then
i'm in garbage tier right now, so it's fun.
i'm getting close to 2k
steep bone
Im not far ahead rocking at 2.2, but pugs are lottery here, one time ive pleasant run, another time i just want to alt+f4
steady slate
if i ever get around to running temple again, that'll help a lot. that 93.5 score is embarrassing
loud shoal
temple is my least fav key
steady slate
i don't like the dungeon. i don't like the bosses, their mechanics, the terrible camera angles, the stupid snake room, none of it
steep bone
Tyran tos pugs is meh
steady slate
this week is teeming/volcanic, right?
steep bone
As i remember ye
steady slate
i feel like we're being rewarded for putting up with sanguine/grievous
steep bone
Week after is grevious again i think
loud shoal
nah it's bolstering skittish
steady slate
i used the hell out of sugar-coated fish feasts last week
steep bone
Sounds like leveling alts time
loud shoal
it's the best siege week
steep bone
As long as You dont have spergs poping all cds before u even charged and clapped
steady slate
is it worth going warden major for the aoe taunt on skittish weeks?
slender finch
skittish is no issue if ur dps have at least 2 braincells
steady slate
and if your dps is normal dps....?
slender finch
If they dont, well teach em the hard way
steady slate
skittish gives me an opportunity to practice the heroic leap taunt reset
it's a good week to bring a rogue or hunter
sullen valve
Has mwahi messed up any math recently?
sick sentinel
alright boys, almost time for more garbage loot from mythic box
twilit jay
i got a briny barnacle 465 :/
scarlet copper
would you guys use a 465 with BoM/HoD or would you wear a 480 chest with Blood sport (or brace for impact)/callous reprisal
strong forum
Prolly the 465 cuz it has bom+hod+iv
Unless your chest has bfi + blightborne infusion
scarlet copper
actually yes, blightborne is the alternative to callous
(breastplate of vengeful)
scarlet copper
and you think brace over blood sport?
strong forum
Absolutely
still pagoda
absolutely
strong forum
Bloodsport is meh, whereas bfi is really good
obtuse yoke
i don't have the corruption to run this, do i cleanse?
strong forum
If you really can't fit it, yes cleanse
obtuse yoke
yeah super lucky with the item :x
stiff oracle
A crist belt? 🧐
obtuse yoke
i technically could fit it if i buy up some malefic cores
scarlet copper
crit lol
stiff oracle
😂
scarlet copper
I honestly don't even know if I should wear it over my heavy vers 465 belt, other stat being criit
stiff oracle
Do it @obtuse yoke
scarlet copper
err mast*
obtuse yoke
@stiff oracle do it as in buy malefics?
sick sentinel
don’t waste echoes on cores
I cannot fathom how the current system was implemented
it’s the single least efficient thing
not BoA, low drop rate
obtuse yoke
i have nothing to buy until vers3 comes back though 😦
sick sentinel
just save
unless you plan on farming it out
like the catch up mechanic is legit slower than just doing it with vessels
because the echo grind would take 3 months
but that doesn’t count the deficit from buying good corruption either
scarlet copper
yeah I dunno why they wouldn't just let full clears drop malefic cores every time
jolly thistle
My guild is starting nzoth progress next week. Can you guys give me some warrior specific tips?
The other tank is a monk
scarlet copper
make sure DPS kills big tentacles before it gets a void lash off when you're getting ready to go down as y ou want to make sure you have cooldowns uip
just in general they should try to kill asap so you can save cooldowns
valid hamlet
How do y’all value the first Deafening Crash vs. ilvl upgrade?
still pagoda
15 ilvls
valid hamlet
Thanks. Are there any other traits that heavily weighted? Thinking I should shift a few traits to retain DC but also pull in a +15 upgrade
minor elm
what is the major essence prot warriors use in general for m+?
sweet summit
VoP
valid hamlet
only the first DC is worth losing ilvl for
@sweet summit copy all. thanks!
sick sentinel
Anyone have any insight on how to do prot warrior on Rezan? The debuff absolutely shreds me, I try to keep IP/cooldowns/health pots/etc ready to go for it but especially on a Tyr week like this the marathon just tends to beat me out on it
healer cds
loud shoal
you need to alternate defensives. you can lucid heal through one, nzoth trinket another, wall another, healer cd another..etc
loud shoal
ip isn't a cd
mellow patio
At a high key level ip + shout won’t be enough
steady slate
so don't
mellow patio
Then don’t run it
sweet summit
do it pussy
steady slate
just let it hit you and blame the healer for not keeping you up
sick sentinel
just let it hit you and blame the healer for not keeping you up
@steady slate
loud shoal
if you are running vers build mot of the time it doesn't even matter if it hits you
obtuse yoke
i'm not doing big boi keys yet so i don't have a vers build
steady slate
are you setting gear aside for it?
obtuse yoke
i'm slowly working on it yeah
still pagoda
i was running semi-vers build in +22's and 23's this week(TD3, 2xVers3 and 1xIT1 with CnS major) and was under 40 without 10 res minor
so i didn't even have to deal with it lul
:D
obtuse yoke
my prot is my alt that i like to focus on rn so it's not perfect
obtuse yoke
ye i have td3 IT1 x 2
if i want to use my new shield i'll have 59 otherwise i'm at 33
still pagoda
why not