Id do ANYTHING for that
#protection
sweet summit
hushed cobalt
The only acceptable item for leech
sweet summit
hushed cobalt
Can't give it a go cause helping guild get Jaina mounts 🙃
sweet summit
Fuck em
hushed cobalt
Oops internet crashed
"You're on your bank toon..."
cold delta
just bring a shit ton of fire mages that are really geared and then ignite will kill her while you are running in phase two xd
hushed cobalt
"Now your warrior"
sweet summit
"Visual bug" :^)
hushed cobalt
Blizzard services are experiencing technical difficulties
As I log off and go invisible then on my out of guild character
sweet summit
cold delta
Yesterday I couldn't see 50% of the raid team on Cara so I had to go off callout when i had to do something becuase I couldnt see where they were standing or stacks on the other tank and such
they were just standing in the main area ^-^
sweet summit
steep bone
whats that
idle idol
G2 ceo
sharp rover
Are the carapace shoulders worth using on prot?
strong forum
Skitra shoulders has 4x bis trait, when carapace only has 1.5 and 10ilvl
steep bone
third is UF or OP?
strong forum
OP
sick sentinel
Should have done the vessels on 0 mask r I p
But, I'm not mad not any more at least, just internet points
ionic fern
Wait, why would you be mad? 👀
lime mantle
You should always be mad, just in case.
sweet summit
Im not mad
In ENRAGED 
still pagoda
Scorched feet is 
idle idol
Idk man how ppl hate scorched fert more than that fucking disorient circle
cold delta
wait skitra shoulders are better? - would it not be better in that case to go get 20k Residuum and spend them on a Shoulder? (I havent looked at it at all but just wondering )
sick sentinel
Mad that I got like 1000 instead of 3000 echoes I could have gotten haha
Could just ran them 0 mask
steep bone
@cold delta rather chest i'd say, you can get 475 helm from nzoth, and mythic from skitra which is puggable
cold delta
@steep bone oh true people pug first 3 mythic bosses
tbh it is the first week my warrior has been 120 so hasnt really gotten used to the new stuff on that compared to back in legion ^^
scarlet copper
would you recommend pulling the two packs at first obelisk in siege (alliance) in an 18 with lust or is that too ambitious?
cold delta
@scarlet copper depends on your group tbh if you have ie. a fire mage and he has all cds I would say it is a very possible thing to do but tbh it depends on cds from the group
scarlet copper
thanks zax!
cold delta
Just remember to stack them on top of the ranged mobs otherwise it is a very deadly pull @scarlet copper
scarlet copper
turns out my ping is not feeling OCE this morning so the siege will not be happening 😦
steep bone
@scarlet copper i personally hate that pack there
@cold delta first 3 bosses are literally HC with more damage
cold delta
welp guess spending my coins on Cara and Nzoth is not worth it? @steep bone
steep bone
nzoth has trinket and head piece
cold delta
yeah but figured Cara was worth it for the shoulders but Skita is better for shoulders it might be an idea to do that instead
sturdy quest
Currently have prot pally and bdk, how does warrior feel in comparison? doing 15-20s averaging 50k dps on my current tanks.
strong forum
Warri does 70-90k+ dps, if that's what you're looking for
Warri feels amazing, but that's subjective
Physical dmg doesn't exist to you
still pagoda
warr doesn't have any safety nets tho
so be a bit aware
that any mistake will lead to death
but otherwise spec is great
IMO
one of the steepest learning curves among tank specs
yet rewarding as fuck
sweet summit
imean its workshop
arctic python
Is sigil of warding ever worth it in m+?
sweet summit
nah
orchid frigate
LPS?
sweet summit
nzoth trinket
orchid frigate
ah
strong forum
Well Workshop is more like 50-65k dps cuz it's almost entirely ST
cold delta
Wrat+LPS or Wrath + Vita trinkets?
still pagoda
cold delta
but doesnt scale do more over the time of a dungeon? (that is atleast what I have hard from people)
orchid frigate
still pagoda
cold delta
and going Vita + void is not good?
still pagoda
void is a terrible trinket
it is even worse than sporepods and plating
my co-tank runs void...
but he's a BDKbrain
"You should gear vers"
sweet summit
cold delta
I think gearing haste/verse outscales haste/crit after a certain Key level but havent tested it but for lower keys haste/Crit is better
strong forum
Yes, but not in mythic raiding or below 23
Mythic raiding is a joke in terms of survivability requirement this late into the tier
cold delta
ahh I see somebody has tested it ^^ good to know where ish the cutoff point is
strong forum
Well cutoff depends on group
sweet summit
its not exactly +23
cold delta
Of course not but just like a general idea 😄
still pagoda
ahh I see somebody has tested it ^^ good to know where ish the cutoff point is
@cold delta
It is not really testing
sweet summit
i am very bad at this game so i play vers :)
still pagoda
you can check your vita uptime in details
and then compare it to uptime of other trinkets vs their stat values
cold delta
I was talking about the haste/vers vs haste/Crit but you are correct that you can use details to check those things 😄
still pagoda
Mythic raiding is a joke in terms of survivability requirement this late into the tier
@strong forum
Lets be honest
this tier is one big joke in terms of tank survivability
strong forum
All of bfa, really. Except zul as prot and 2 tanking, fuck zul
And azshara
God I hated zul
orchid frigate
wasnt there a teeming zul or something like that in the dawn of bfa?
still pagoda
no
orchid frigate
would have been a bit spicey
still pagoda
and Nom talked about the raid boss
orchid frigate
ah
grand drum
Im doing 20/21 with 3% vers and it feels fine
strong forum
Depending on group, but generally yes
Like I said, you can go higher, around 22/23 is where I'm playing haste/vers with TD3, 2x vers3 2x IT1. Cuz im lazy and my group isn't exactly experienced or optimal
still pagoda
i did time +22FH with only 8% vers and TD4, 2xIT1 yesterday
but you can definitely consider starting to gear vers around +23 or so
lime mantle
Teeming shadow of zul would've beautiful.
sweet echo
lime mantle
I'd join but I'd give you a depleto
wispy locust
which weapon enchant do you guys prefer usually?
strong forum
Force mult generally
dusk loom
why force mult over quick nav?
vocal skiff
Haste is usually your highest stat, because of priorities and into the fray
I think it provides higher boost of haste
and iirc there is a strength component?
strong forum
Force mult has very high uptime on Str + whatever you highest stat is
It can even double proc and give you Str + 2 instances of additional secondary stats
For example during avatar you can get haste + mastery + Str from force mult
Quick nav needs several stacks to provide more haste than force mult, whereas force mult always grants the same amount of stats so there's little to no variation in power gain
lusty grotto
the quest for the dumbass mage bracers continues
strong forum
Just get em in weekly chest lmao
lusty grotto
that would be sweet
strong forum
Na he was tilted cuz he had 465s with socket already
And it was pretty early on in the tier
strong forum
And then he socketed his 475s and cleansed them. Then they announced the vendor
So he then had to recover his 465s from scrap vendor cuz you couldn't reapply corruptions on cleansed pieces
And then he gets another 475 from weekly
lusty grotto
😢
sturdy quest
brother got them from weekly chest with masterful3 on them
lusty grotto
😢
jesus
well i cant do 15s on my mage alt yet so
470s would be nice
but yeah i always get some dumbass belt
well disregard that, i can do 15s, but my mage io isn't high enough atm
steep bone
are u on eu @lusty grotto
lusty grotto
NA
sturdy quest
Mage dps just feels so bad unless you pull everything around their cooldowns
When you can bring a hunter and face roll keyboard :X
strong forum
Mage is in a terrible state gameplay wise. Once every 2min btfo everything, then afk for the rest of the time. Unless you wanna play omega clunky 1min combust
sturdy quest
Frost has gotten better thanks to the vendor, but still not great
still pagoda
frost was great in first 2 seasons tho
lusty grotto
well except on sanguine
still pagoda
yeah...
halcyon coyote
I'm still rocking past patch 415s
lusty grotto
90k ST burst without font
i guess i gotta start pugging mythic azharas and doing arenas
or get manifesto + psychic shred for now
least i have manifesto
sweet summit
POGGG
lusty grotto
alright time for ye good ole Chef Nimchip
still pagoda
@lusty grotto GZ
lusty grotto
ty ty sirs
lusty grotto
🐒
tawdry prawn
Is the second IT1 that good or is r1 IT1 fine?
lusty grotto
IT1 is rank 1
it2 is rank 2
no need to say it twice lol
but you want two different IT1s
twilit jay
are the ITs bettter then expedients?
lusty grotto
yes
twilit jay
good to know i was originally planning on stacking expedients with my TD+3
halcyon coyote
What haste do we need to clap every gcd with 2x it1?
still pagoda
200%+
sturdy quest
@twilit jay it2 isn’t corruption effecient
30 corruption for 50% CDR compared to 12 corruption for 30%CDR times 2
halcyon coyote
Ty karton
So realistically without lust and fray and expedientes
We never clap every gcd
halcyon coyote
I feel a slight delay
lusty grotto
i have 2 IT1s, 1 IT2, TD3
and i clap every gcd with 27% unbuffed haste
that's without ITF stacks
still pagoda
since GCD is 0.75s and TC cooldown with 2xIT1's and ~170% is around ~0.8-0.9s
fuck
i've found a thing on which i will waste my time after exams
Time for math after math
lusty grotto
obviously i run vita
strong forum
Well gcd 0.75 gcd requires 100% haste
halcyon coyote
I want a WA that screams at me when I don't cast shit on every gcd
feral onyx
rezans gleaming eye with socket vs vita ?
strong forum
Vita
lusty grotto
it goes meow
strong forum
Zomboy, that's called GCD :d
lusty grotto
when the carole baskin's kittens meow at me i know i have to spam clap
@feral onyx remember you can socket anything with the mementos thing
so sockets arent as much value anymore
on a drop, that is
obviously you want to socket everything
orchid frigate
vui looks slick and lightweight. Anyone here using it?
lusty grotto
no idea what that is, i use elvui though
orchid frigate
lusty grotto
looks like a bad copy of elvui
still pagoda
^
sick sentinel
i doubt i'll ever be able to use elvui and not have it bug me
still pagoda
i'm still wondering how my current UI had zero bugs in last 3 months
steep bone
you have bugs usually caused by different addons, not elvui itself
sick sentinel
just not a fan of elvui, but then again i wasn't a fan of playing without clickable or visible bars
ocean heath
how do you guys deal with sanguine in tol dagor? All those normal mobs get agroed from AOE and they drop the pools also. Then I'm out of room.
steep bone
have people stun/control them
sick sentinel
last time i did sanguine TD which was forever ago tried to pull everything back work forwards as stuff died
steep bone
sanguine td is such a meme
ocean heath
I was trying to do a +8 and I screwed myself in the tunnels with the bees lol
steep bone
and td without lockpick guy is another meme
sick sentinel
just thinking about sanguine TD makes me want to go jump off a cliff
ocean heath
then upstairs, I have a pack of 3 elites+4 normal mobs and ran out of room
warm plinth
TD is the worst for sanguine but ideally you pull back to areas you already cleared and drop sanguine there.
grand drum
dont forget twilight dev pulling things all the time
still pagoda
I have descended into madness
ocean heath
Is echoing void as bad as TD?
sick sentinel
yeah, rogues no longer required, you can just TD into the cages.
warm plinth
TD pulling things can largely be controlled.
sick sentinel
i clipped it once, TD some how went into TWO cages and pulled them both.
warm plinth
Yeah but you don’t get the buff unless you open the gate; the buff comes from the friendly NPC inside once you free them.
sick sentinel
it like, rubbed up against the wall and clipped through, and then back to the other side i think
you can also easily pull jes howlis this way too, be aware
ocean heath
those adds released also drop pools right?
worldly sigil
Where can I find an information source for min maxing as a prot warr in m+? I checked the faq, pins, etc etc
sweet summit
minmaxing what
sick sentinel
yeah, anything that spawns after the boss is engaged won't do affixes
ocean heath
i got 30 second stunned on that and died and ended the run
worldly sigil
What to spell reflect in each dungeon for example
still pagoda
minmaxing? JUST PULL BIG
worldly sigil
Sorry shield block *
warm plinth
Ignore pain is only prioritized over shield block on 3 mobs. Rixxa, Mogul, and Zul
sick sentinel
sweet summit
you use shield block when taking blockable damage
worldly sigil
Right just trying to see if there’s a dungeon by dungeon breakdown for prot warrs
sick sentinel
that site you can pick your buffs from self and group, and your key level and it will calculate how much dmg you will take from ability
sweet summit
most of it is just experience 🤷♀️
worldly sigil
Yeah I’m noticing that
No big deal just figured I would check
Anyone 4.5k and want to coach me for Tokens? 😂
sick sentinel
don't worry so much about the key level itself, just the dungeon you are doing, instead of thinking you have to do a 15 and your gunna~~ get one shot~~ die horribly, you just instead say "okay it's only temple of seth, i gotta turn for blinding sands and block beams on boss 2/3"
worldly sigil
Yeah I’ve got most of the mechanics down, at this point it’s like what is priority spell reflect, what is priority interrupt, when is the most effective and efficient time to shock wave. This stuff becomes important as you start pushing higher and higher keys
I’m kinda looking to go from A- to S+ if that makes sense
sweet summit
and you will get most of that by playing and watching other better players stream
worldly sigil
Yep agreed, expedited through information tunnels though
warm plinth
The easiest way to determine if a new spell is reflectable (new meaning not familiar to you), while not all-inclusive, is if the spell is a projectile (e.g. Void Bolt on Shadowsong), you can most likely reflect it.
worldly sigil
I run a business I don’t have as much time to play as I did years ago lol
Time is valuable
Funnels *
I see
sick sentinel
@worldly sigil good advice i got from some self help book years ago.
ocean heath
how do you guys keep up your rotation with defensives while also concentrating on the mobs?
sick sentinel
don't worry about being perfect i mean to say, nobody is
worldly sigil
Truth
sweet summit
rotation is mostly muscle memory
ocean heath
I can't seem to make it muscle memory with all the procs
sweet summit
get a WA that does something when something procs
so you dont have to stare at keybinds
ocean heath
I do have one setup, but with world lag time, i have to press it like a quarter second before it lights up
and then i either forget to use my SB/IP or try to use it when i have no charges/rage
sweet summit
sounds like a UI problem
ocean heath
like my brain can only keep track of a limited number of things
sweet summit
thats why you get a good ui without unnecessary information
ocean heath
this is what i have
warm plinth
The only procs you have are Revenge and Shield Slam, and you should already be mid-GCD when you see the proc anyway (since you should be casting something every global), so you just press it after the global
And Revenge procs don't really take priority over anything except Devastate, so you don't have to feel super pressured to cast them immediately
strange tide
sweet summit
^
ocean heath
I guess when I have to pick up some unexpected stuff or trying to think about positioning, I just my concentration on rotation and defensives
warm plinth
I believe there actually were two of them in the beta during Teeming
vocal skiff
I am hardly a model in this, but familiarity with the encounters helps a ton, rooster
warm plinth
Someone had told me that at some point anyway
ocean heath
*lose my concentration
vocal skiff
Anticipating stuff
brisk ferry
yes teeming originally had 2 Zul's
sterile thicket
Should I be running avoidance cap?
ocean heath
I was doing TD +8 with sanguine for the first time and I was trying to think of where to go and how to get around the pools while tanking. While doing that, I was just mashing all my keys
warm plinth
As you get familiar with handling different affixes and different dungeons, it won't require as much though to do mechanics and you won't be scrambling on your rotation
still pagoda
i'm doing that shit
sweet summit
good luck
still pagoda
got 2 DPS from guild on board and in voice
warm plinth
Because you'll automatically position yourself or set yourself up to handle mechanics ahead of time
still pagoda
so i hope it goes well
ocean heath
I want to try 10+, but I have to memorize the pulls and pathing for each dungeon from MDT
mellow patio
@still pagoda careful snapping 
warm plinth
+10 is really easier. Because in 2-9 you basically have to kill everything unless you have a rogue to skip some things
In 10+ you can just use obelisks to skip what isn't needed
chilly brook
DH is ez mode for snapping
sturdy quest
Download Method Dungeon tool and check raider.io for the weekly route
makes 10+ routes easy to learn
sturdy quest
lel
chilly brook
Big RIP though
minor robin
I've checked pins, read previous messages regarding the number of IT1's to run. If anyone wanted to entertain the question, I was curious if it'd be worth it to go up to using 3xIT1 instead of the standard 2xIT1. Reason being that regardless of haste, tclap spam in avatar loses ~0.15-0.2s each gcd since tclap recovers just slightly slower than the gcd itself. You also get an ok boost to CDR, but I am unsure if these two things would be worth dropping a Vers3.
steep bone
thing is, do you run high enough keys to make vers actually worth using?
minor robin
So to refine it with your question included, is this then accurate?
- going to 3x IT1 would be beneficial IF it meant dropping a single Vers3 and the key level isn't high
- going to 3x IT1 likely isn't possible within suitable corruption levels if it means maneuvering TDs and the key level isn't high
- If the key level is high, max# of Vers3 (after 2xIT1) will always be best
amber siren
This just seems like a very over complicated question. There's no set rule for IT, 2 is very common as it's a reasonably cheap investment with a good payoff, if you're stacking verse amps it doesn't seem to make much sense to dilute it even further
steep bone
don't think you'd want to sacrifice one vers amp for another it if you're stacking vers amps
still pagoda
for keys higher than +21*
steep bone
actually not running full TD 
still pagoda
still gonna run pepega TD in 20's
mellow patio
in Bobby bouchers moms voice
sweet summit
did u time
mellow patio
VERS IS RHE DEVIL
still pagoda
actually not running full TD
@steep bone
warm plinth
The .15 seconds or whatever isn't really that relevant anyway; What are you going to cast in that maybe 1 global you'd lose by spamming Thunder Clap? If it's ST you're going to cast Shield Slam when available anyway, and if it's AoE, you're gaining far more from just casting the Thunder Claps after the .15 seconds vs. casting the other thing you might press (e.g. Shield Slam or Revenge)
still pagoda
did u time
@sweet summit
lagged out on fear pillar
warm plinth
And since that 1 global is split into very tiny segments, you can't even really make that decision
still pagoda
healer left immediately
sweet summit
steep bone
@steep bone
@still pagoda what's that versatile 3, put td2 there
still pagoda
waiting for my healer bro instead rn
@still pagoda what's that versatile 3, put td2 there
@steep bone
That's +23 keys for yea
steep bone
im still on sub18
still pagoda
i still have +22AD
upper violet
Isnt cns kinda bad this week doe
still pagoda
and after going really smooth with 2 DPS guildies, we decided to do +22 for sure
upper violet
U root them in sanguine
still pagoda
Isnt cns kinda bad this week doe
@upper violet
I was just stopping mindless TC spam for one GCD
strong forum
Well you just don't clap when sanguine is gonna pop up
main vault
The idea is not to
steep bone
it doesn't feel right to put NOT CLAP in one sentence man
upper violet
Never stop clap
mellow patio
Does not compute
strong forum
Are you ready for SL, when TC has cns baseline
But we're atleast getting rid of the TC meme
upper violet
Huh rly
strong forum
Ye
steep bone
i can't wait for blizz to give us some bullshit affix
upper violet
I kinda like the root its cozy
still pagoda
@upper violet
_ Thunder Clap Blasts all enemies within 8 yards for (42% of Attack power) Physical damage, rooting them for 1 sec and reducing their movement speed by 20% for 10 sec.
Deals reduced damage to secondary targets.
Generates 5 Rage.
Alpha Release - Build 33978:
Changed from (50% of Attck power)
_
upper violet
Meme rn is hr 
strong forum
Meme rn is ravager granting a good amount of rage
still pagoda
^
upper violet
Ah yes legion
strong forum
Wasn't t19 wod, if nyalotha is 26
upper violet
The infamous marok 3 deaths on mythic spellblade
strong forum
I could be wrong
steep bone
t19 sounds like legion
upper violet
T19 was NH
steep bone
yea
upper violet
Were any of u around then
strong forum
Not too up to date with the tier numbers ngl, was a pvp bab until legion
upper violet
Those were funny times
warm plinth
Yeah T19 was Nighthold
steep bone
i'd rather play another 3 years of legion rather than 1yr of bfa
strong forum
During mop people didn't like mop, now people are saying it was the best shit ever
warm plinth
I never minded doing content for legendaries because it was content I was doing anyway
upper violet
I mean legendaries were kinda annoying
steep bone
I never minded doing content for legendaries because it was content I was doing anyway
@warm plinth this
upper violet
But if u played 1 spec it was fine i guess
warm plinth
They were annoying but literally every expansion has annoying shit. It just isn't at the level that shit has been this expansion
steep bone
legendary farm was annoying at the beggining
warm plinth
Like we've had so much RNG to deal with this expansion
upper violet
I mean i started legion in 7.1.5 by then legendaries werent terrible but still annoying
I had tgv and kakushans pretty quick doe
warm plinth
In Legion you had legendaries. This expansion you started out with Azerite (before the vendor and after the vendor, to a degree), then corruption literally blew any other RNG system out of the water with how god fucking awful it is
steep bone
i waited for my bis lege on affli lock quite alot
amber siren
Eh I really don't miss legion 'blood DK grip and kite mobs for 5 minutes' meta
upper violet
Man how the fuck are locks so good every xpac
steep bone
every expac good?
upper violet
amber siren
i still have sl/sl warlock pillar drain ptsd
steep bone
i member soloing raid bosses for memes
warm plinth
And let's not forget that corruption was almost a hundred times worse
The original implementation had random tiers and random corruption level tiers
strong forum
Then 3 dps specs where its easier to have 1 good spec by chance
strong forum
Cuz melee
strong forum
Melee are always cucked in raid unless they're outright broken
steep bone
didnt they killed rogue back in uldir @ zul
strong forum
Only sub
amber siren
stacking rogues on zul was a big meme
upper violet
Killed a third
strong forum
Cuz broken
stark sage
lock specs sucked pretty bad early legion
slate pond
mage was "bad" until EP, warlock always has a top 3 dps spec every tier
steep bone
lock specs sucked pretty bad early legion
@stark sage and became gods in NH
stark sage
ye
steep bone
and frost was fine until BM
glad ore
whats stat priority for prot warrior m+ ?
sweet summit
ilvl>haste>crit
rugged sentinel
how does TD stack? the damage value goes up but proc chance does not?
so i have 2 r1 on my alt, i essentially have R2 TD
And the corruption to rank ratio doesn't change anything does it?
for example more value in having r3s?
Thanks @sick sentinel
warm plinth
Yeah I agree; I would avoid buying TD1 unless it's all you have room for
rugged sentinel
On my alt, I have been lucky getting TD 1 on pieces, but I can not afford the r2 in the shop rn ;/
since i spent on buying VOP. etc 😭
I know. Not even sure I can farm for that to be honest.
15k?
I have essentially 6-7 days?
US
may the odds be ever in my favor?
warm plinth
Also not sure I would've spent echoes on VoP. It's too easy to farm
limpid pawn
another one
do NOT invite this healer
hard carried him through a +17 timed AD
motherfucker wouldn't heal even though people had 4stacks grevious constantly
15 deaths
or more i think
STILL timed
warm plinth
idk, blacklisting is not great imo.
limpid pawn
can't fucking stand this garbage. grevious truly truly reveals who is a shit healer
they don't know how to read, and they don't know what grevious actually does
ocean heath
what was his IO?
limpid pawn
like 2.2-2.5k
upper violet
@stiff inlet sry if this is late but the versa mastery ring isnt that good and not haste enchanted and the nzoth ring not haste enchanted. other than that your gear is solid
stiff inlet
which ring would you replace the vers/mas with?
ocean heath
you gotta blacklist entire servers: illidan, ragnaros, azralon, quel'thalas
rugged sentinel
I agree with Illidan wholeheartedly. Had a guy leave my key yesterday, TOS on the last boss phase 2 because we weren't going to time it. "If we don't time this I'm gonna have to leave," he wrote, as we are doing last Obelisk. His best for TOS was 17 or 16 and this was a 15. I wrote back, "okay so for what purpose? Is your io going to be affected by this?"
Literally a full minute from echoes and ap and maybe a bis, decides to leave on pride. so f'ckin rude.
ocean heath
yea you can't trust IO
amber siren
poly?
worldly ermine
Polyvalent
novel ruin
TD + Innefable Rank 1 x2
sick sentinel
nothing is wrong with illidan
amber siren
TD will still be fine at 20, I'm not sure what polyvalent is though
sick sentinel
it just has the highest concentration of higher end players
brisk ferry
french for versatile
worldly ermine
Oh
sick sentinel
vers
worldly ermine
Sorry
xD
I think ppl call it polyvalent aswell meh
Versatile yup
Any priority stats should target with vers/innefable for +21/22/23 ?
upper violet
@stiff inlet anything with high haste tbh
amber siren
haste/crit is still better than haste/vers until youre going for verse builds
ofc ilvl is still king
novel ruin
^
worldly ermine
So should target haste/crit with innefable/td
right ty
with a minimum of vers right ?
novel ruin
Don’t worry too much about stacking vers until 24/25 keys
amber siren
no stat caps, soft or hard
sick sentinel
really should be pushing higher though, or attempting to
grats
to a certain point group comp really doesn’t matter, but interesting compositions allow you to play to different strengths
still pagoda
@sweet summit we had to downgrade this +23 AD to +21 due to first 2 runs getting scuffed(healer leaving on first and pug hunter doing shit and making snaps and pulls off fail and leaving afterwards on second) and we still didn't time it
1 mistake and it went down
also...
_
REMOVED Safeguard Intercepting a friendly target now also causes 30% of their damage taken to transfer to you for 6 sec._
blizz
WHY
mellow patio
AD is pretty much dead at that level if you make a mistake tbh
still pagoda
exactly
sweet summit
still pagoda
we did it 1 minute over the timer
sweet summit
i timed a 23 shrine
still pagoda
though, it was a pretty good experience non the less
still pagoda
honestly, +23 run went really smoothly until i lagged out on fear pillar
twilit jay
i gave up on keys this week, sanguine just really bugs me
twilit jay
if I run 2 IT1's is there like a breakpoint for haste or do i just keep stacking and stacking it?
amber siren
no stat soft or hard caps
worldly ermine
Alchemy trinket is viable at 19-20-21 key or ?
amber siren
yeah alch trinket is fine for that
worldly ermine
k cuz i think raden trink+n'zoth trink can be good aswell right ?
( i can get raden mm trink )
amber siren
you'll usually have raden on 100% of the time, LPS is a good choice if you feel like you'll need it or you can choose something else if you'd prefer the damage
worldly ermine
Like raden is primary for dps and alchemy trink is for more balance dps/def right ?
twilit jay
the vita or void trinket?
amber siren
vita is the important one, void is bad
amber siren
vita's haste is just as important defensively as it is offensively, you might see people use alch if they're going for a vers build and they lack on other pieces but LPS is better defensively and humming is better offensively so it's a pretty average choice
worldly ermine
k then go for Vita
Fuck alchemy one meh
😄
Cuz gonna cost me a lot cuz im starting from Lv1 alchemy
So what should i play vita+nzoth trink right ?
still pagoda
play vita+nzoth for now
then just get scale for keys lower than +22
but you can run double haste trinkets in +23 too
sweet summit
you can spell reflect and walk through the bots on last boss junkyard
really
why is that a thing
deep steppe
Excuse me?
deep steppe
You mean when you're running up to the lil towers?
sweet summit
yeah
deep steppe
sweet summit
the more you know xd
twilit jay
im gonna have to try it
modern brook
Does it work on the spinny lights too or just the robo waddlers
modern brook
Big sad
twilit jay
will it work in the second half too where you have to dodge them before the third boss?
sweet summit
not the hardmode bots
deep steppe
just the bots on the towers
sweet summit
the small fuckers that send you down the ramp on last boss intermission
cedar vapor
How do peopel do so much damage with Thunderclap?
worldly ermine
press the key
regal saddle
Pull a lot hit avatar get sick a ineffable proc, hit clap every gcd
upper violet
Do ur rotation properly and its big dam
warm plinth
"click"
grand drum
does spell reflect dmg not show up in m+ logs?
warm plinth
It does
sweet summit
it does if you use details
warm plinth
I'm pretty sure with logs you still have to check damage the boss did to themselves
grand drum
i used details and it shows up, but on warcraftlogs i dont see it
sweet summit
oh logs
warm plinth
Since Details doesn't change what gets logged
sweet summit
yeah
strong forum
@sweet summit
sweet summit
what did i do now
strong forum
JY
sweet summit
does it actually work
strong forum
Ah no I thought you were already confirming it
still pagoda
strong forum
Well I remember getting sent down by them when I was lightyears away
So that was also fun
still pagoda
that one moment when the only hunter in our guild who's interested in M+ is already with another push group
strong forum
do it, im taking a break for 2 weeks
sweet summit
wtf thats illegal
strong forum
its funny how i always dont play during "push" weeks
last push week we also only did weekly keys and pissed off
sweet summit
yes sir.
strong forum
Good.
sweet summit
want me to record it?
mellow patio
+6 harder than +15 don’t @ me
strong forum
Probably
still pagoda
do it, im taking a break for 2 weeks
doing the same
4 exams starting July 3rd and ending July 13th with the last one
mellow patio
Ew skool
sweet summit
hardy raven
is doing visions as prot any good? Im rank 15 cloak and didnt manage to clear last boss in stormwind as arms, cause Im stupid and blew my cheat death at the start, but Im main prot, is it any easier?
hardy raven
and may I ask which essences are u running?
strong forum
Whatever you're most comfortable as, be it prot arms or fury
hardy raven
I saw some wars are running lucid major, I was using vision major and lucid as secondary
deep steppe
VoP Major, SotW, Lucid, Strife is my set up atm
strong forum
Anything works
hardy raven
@deep steppe thats what Im actually running
strong forum
But I suggest going max ST
strong forum
Cuz only bosses live longer than 0.3seconds
hardy raven
Im saving echoes aswell, I should buy versatiles right?
strong forum
Only if you plan on pushing past 25+
mental drift
hey can anyone tell me which dungeons require null barrier?
hardy raven
Idk if Ill find a team for that this season,came back kinda late, but my intention is pushing m+ really hard ye
strong forum
Around 23 is when I recommend when you should start stacking vers, before that, pretty irrelevant
hardy raven
so what would u get before that?
deep steppe
@hardy raven Twilight Dev
hardy raven
rank 3 TD and 2 ITs?
strong forum
That's what I'm running ye
mental drift
gothca thanks guys
hardy raven
Nice, gotta save echoes then for next weeks TD
strong forum
In regular 21 and lower im running TD5+ expedient 3 + 2x IT1
hardy raven
Hmm nice
atm I just got around 10k echoes
with the visions I should get to 12k easy
and I gotta start farming hard if I wanna buy that TD and all the stuff Im missing
strong forum
And reset also grants you tons of echoes again
deep steppe
^
hardy raven
yee
farming pvp aswell on other chars, but war its being kinda hard, since playing arms just meh, and fury aint the best
everysingle ppl I face has 8 gushings or full vers and Im done xD
strong forum
I was kinda lucky when pushing to 2.1 for enchant
Nobody had full vers yet
Cns was still bugged
And nobody had full Gushing either
hardy raven
aaah ye
I managed to get 2.1 on dh, rogue, mage,... but war is taking hard work and still nothing
xD
strong forum
Rsham
hardy raven
ooh nice
deep steppe
is it confirmed @sweet summit ?
sweet summit
sec
deep steppe
strong forum
I mean you can heroic leap it anyway
So it's not that insane
Unless it avoids the stun too
mellow patio
Houston we have a Debbie downer
sweet summit
there is more 👀
strong forum
Dis game stoopid
strong forum
Nobody disagrees with that
deep steppe
More you say? 👀
twilit jay
do you all have an easier time in orgirmmar or storm wind 5 mask? the boss in the middle of the mage quarter always wrecks me
mellow patio
Org is easier imo but both easy tbh
hardy raven
how do u do to avoid the poly on mages quarter?
cause either u interrupt missiles
or poly
mellow patio
SR it
strong forum
Spell reflect poly
hardy raven
aaah ofc
strong forum
Interrupt the missiles
strong forum
Eat it
hardy raven
still easy to beat but... I always ate the whole poly
xD
yee
xD
doing assaults rn and then Imma try a 5 mask as prot
strong forum
@sweet summit gib sauce
sweet summit
giga scuffed quality
i am sorry
and @ 40 sec
the light does not send you down
the bots does not send you down
lightning does still stun you
strong forum
Ya
sweet summit
kinda epic
sweet summit
from the hardmode bots thingies?
strong forum
Or the red swirly at end
sweet summit
more jy tomorrow i guess
strong forum
In down phase
still pagoda
So
hardy raven
you gotta love being a teacher, big holidays
still pagoda
Does it work?
hardy raven
so I aint got work already xD
mellow patio
What am I watching here
sweet summit
i dont know
strong forum
If you can't tell
mellow patio
I am not a fan of whatever it is
sweet summit
Why is the quality so shit
deep steppe
question
if i have people
complaining that i'm not stacking vers for 18 keys
what do i tell them
🙃
sweet summit
That they are shit
still pagoda
You leave
sweet summit
And should shut up
deep steppe
sweet summit
still pagoda
I did semi-vers for the first time today... In +23
But yeah, you just say that they don't know what they're saying
Since +18 is ehh difficulty
With zero incoming damage
deep steppe
❤️
It was people i used to run with, comparing my corruptions to that 29 freehold that was timed today
still pagoda
deep steppe
still pagoda
29 is so far away...
sweet summit
It is...
Like, the first pull in that FH. The 3 packs
Have more HP combined
Than an entire +6 or something freehold
Its nuts
strong forum
That's like a 250mil up pull or smth ye
still pagoda
That sounds exactly what i need
strong forum
Maybe more
sweet summit
still pagoda
We need these 2 emotes, but with ravager or TD in the eyes
strong forum
Ravager is definetely better than Tol Dagor
deep steppe
^ facts
sweet summit
not even close
Ravager vastly outshines tol dagor
Im pretty sure if i cast ravager once in tol dagor
Id win
Because ravager is OP
sick sentinel
I gotta figure a weapon to try to farm for that isn't from raid =T
looking for an upgrade and not really in the mood to pug for one
sweet summit
Just loot one from weekly box
sweet summit
Yep ^
strong forum
That's what I chose to do
still pagoda
Mythic cara weapon awaits me... Maybe in next 3-4 weeks since it's gonna be a long prog
strong forum
🐻
mystic finch
question about azerite pieces: is it worth replacing vexiona's chest piece (heroic version) for any of the two m+ chests with bastion (assuming i get one through gambling)
sweet summit
Any ilvl upgrade is epic
still pagoda
Except if it is first DC vs ilvl
deep steppe
So weapon question. If you take the Waycrest 1h, and the Atal 1h. Make them same ilvl, which is better?
still pagoda
Arms needs tom to work
sweet summit
Atal defensively and over 4 targets
deep steppe
❤️
sweet summit
Arm looking good in sl
strong forum
Yuo
mystic finch
even if i lose heart of darkness?
strong forum
Really good
sweet summit
Yep
strong forum
Now go to bed
sweet summit
Ok dad
mellow patio
Prot two handed weapon with shield when
sweet summit
Good night
strong forum
Night
rugged sentinel
wow merikthras fang can actually pump
its bad but its doing damage in my low keys on my alt
rugged sentinel
where is the spell reflect spreadsheet?
undone sun
sturdy quest
how important would you all consider min/maxing your race? Currently playing Pally/Bdk in pve but going to be making a warrior. I am typically a 2k+ pvper, but have quit since the corruption vendor came out.
I don't know if I will be pvping on my warrior in shadowlands or not, so is it worth rolling orc just in case or picking a pve race like panda/Blood elf and race changing in shadowlands if I decide to pvp?
civic rover
i don't think it really matters unless you really wanna push crazy high keys
but a lot of races make good warriors if you are interested in min maxing
sturdy quest
Yeah I am typically a filthy minmaxxer so I tend to overthink these types of things
sharp night
even at the highest it's generally less than 1% diff
civic rover
are you ally or horde
civic rover
off the top of my head, Orc, Troll, B-elf, panda, vulpera
modern brook
Just press shield block better and play what looks cool
civic rover
^
modern brook
Ur wasting ur time min maxing on things that dont matter
This is headspace u could be using on things that do
civic rover
off of looks i think for horde tauren is best hands down
sturdy quest
Ok thats what I figured that I was overthinking it. I am more of a pvper where things like the orc stun racial is a big deal
civic rover
if i ever go back to horde i'd make everything a tauren 100%
sturdy quest
my pve group is doing 19-20 keys, but I want a warrior for the big deeps
civic rover
i'm around that range too
sharp night
playing tauren in keys is the worst though
camera angles are awful so you end up using transformation stuff all the time just to see yourself
modern brook
Low key, I fucking hate the tattle addons ppl have
sturdy quest
The worst thing I have come across while tanking as a pvper is that I unbound my S key so I have to strafe left and right to back up :X
sharp night
just rebind it
civic rover
tattle addons?
modern brook
Cause they dont edit it at all so I like take 1 tick of sanguine and 70% of my screen is now some intj 1.9k-er telling me that
sturdy quest
Have to figure out a decent key to rebind it to, I just A/S/W now for left/forward/right
civic rover
oh like elitism helper?
modern brook
Like x person took y avoidable damage
civic rover
those are kinda funny sometimes but it's also really obnoxious
modern brook
But it like by default goes like
civic rover
what really bugs me when pug raiding occasionally is people who have an addon that says "[OTHER TANK] USED TAUNT"
modern brook
"<us> Bullfango - Thrall took [1236894] from [damage source]
So it just gets stupid big
Have to figure out a decent key to rebind it to, I just A/S/W now for left/forward/right
@sturdy quest you can still kite without backpedal bound
The bigger issue is just repositioning I guess
modern brook
Yeah
I left s as back pedal and just doubled up on modifiers personally
But that's the noob method
sturdy quest
Didn't need S as a pvper/healer/dps
civic rover
i have a mouse with 12 side buttons and a third click that changes their bindings for situational stuff
modern brook
That's the nerd method leif
civic rover
it's the "too lazy to move fingers on keyboard" method
modern brook
I play on a logitech 1 buttoner I stole from my highschool computer lab
sturdy quest
I have a naga as well
civic rover
logitech g600
cedar vapor
what food yall use
modern brook
Haste
sturdy quest
so I literally use it for most stuff, then ASW for movement, and QWERT for quick buttons
civic rover
baked port tato
modern brook
I used qwe for movement
So I can choose up really high on my keyboard and reach alt modifiers easier
sturdy quest
1-5 are targeting macros for arena and intercept macros once I get my warrior leveled up
my naga is bound to F1-F6 because I have little hands and can't reach 6 😦
modern brook
:^(
civic rover
i literally have baby sausage hands
modern brook
Smol hand bois unite
civic rover
literally half the reason i have a side button mouse
obtuse yoke
how do you guys manage puddles in tol?
civic rover
uh hard to explain how i do it without MDT in front of me but
there's only like one floor where it's really bad and it's jes room
sturdy quest
@obtuse yoke use the space you have back cleared typically
civic rover
i usually just pull everything to that one corner that's really open