if it's not gunker, you still head towards gunker
#protection
sick sentinel
sweet summit
yeah but you cant kill the boss first
sick sentinel
then go to trixie after
ye
if its hard mode over him might make that tough
no you don't actually do it
you just head there to get bots
sweet summit
nah you dont go into gunker area
sick sentinel
%
sweet summit
you just grab the bots around him
obtuse yoke
last night i did a 20 jy and we went to slime boi first
i just check the map as the key starts and see where hardmode is
sweet summit
NA and EU is different
obtuse yoke
im na*
sick sentinel
I did a JY
I'm pretty sure I went gunker first?
I don't remember
yes I did go gunker first
i might try UR 15
valid hamlet
How is Endless Hunger as a trait?
sweet summit
its good, but on 460 azerite only
warm plinth
Gunker was HM last week for NA so should be fine to go him first this week
HM first*
mellow patio
Ghash what’s the play for the key tonight. Are we adding hawgbear the 5th affix, 5 tank, non scuffed skyhold run?
mellow patio
I am comfortable with all of those options
These are some pretty wild runs are you sure your brain is small enough
steep condor
i need someone to show me how to read an MDT route. Specifically, I'm looking at this weeks AD route here: https://raider.io/news/95-the-weekly-route-fortified-sanguine-grievous-and-awakened#ataldazar
I can't figure out how to read this and work out where to go
sweet summit
you did import it to the in game addon?
steep condor
right now im just looking at it on the website
is it easier to understand in the addon?
sweet summit
for me, yeah
steep condor
the website does have an implementation of the addon it seems
ok i will try that.
i'll look for a guide on youtube too
mellow patio
5vdh could get the job done
sick sentinel
just take lucid major
just heal your grevious every 2 minutes
and go get some mage food
it's a 15 🤔
raw crypt
Guys... what combo essences u recommend for keys up to +15? Actually Im using VoP for major, warden/aegis/lucid for minor.
midnight venture
hey guys new clapper here what major essence is good this week? it is not conflict because of sanguine right?
mellow patio
Would use CnS instead of aegis in most situations at that key level unless you are consistently fighting 5+ (6?) targets
raw crypt
CnS for major is no go?
mellow patio
It has its uses but for a 15 you shouldn’t need it
chilly brook
@midnight venture you shouldn't be using CnS major most of the time irregardless of it being sanguine
VoP/Lucid are far more valuable 99% of the time
raw crypt
thanks
midnight venture
ok thanks alot
graceful wave
Anyone have a suggestion for an addon / weakaura for tracking the other tanks debuffs in raids ? I’m using Shadowed unit frames and I’m having a difficult time with it.
strong forum
There's weak aura packs
For every raid tier
That and cotank auras I would recommend to start off
graceful wave
Thanks so much
misty shoal
can u sr wicked frenzy?
strong forum
You can reflect 1 instance of the debuff application
It's a 10sec enrage buff on 1 of the skellies
With every melee the enraged mob does he applies the debuff, so you can reflect 1 of his melee, then either soothe it or kite it
If you tank the debuff, your chance of survival are low
civic rover
Hi, my guild is going to be progressing mythic next week, what corruptions should I be using? Is vers the way to go or is it better to just go twilight dev?
civic rover
would I still want ineffable truth or should i swap those out as well for raiding?
ivory topaz
You can still run ineffable if you want. You can also run vers. TD is just the best overall, but the other corruptions aren't wrong to have. Truth is mythic is easy enough at this point where every fight is a mechanics check rather than gear. It doesn't matter that much what corruptions you run.
steep bone
actually
mellow patio
I still run IT in raid cause it feels so good to reflect every anguish on nZoth
vocal skiff
is there any risk to asking the rogue to go into raal's room, engage the boss and vanish?
as in, will raal murder people outside
I want to open his door to the courtyard, if it's open
if it's not open*, rather
strong forum
You can fuck it up pretty easily id say
vocal skiff
So any solution to opening that particular door?
it's a pain doing with it closed on sanguine and quaking
vocal skiff
Also, since I am having my first taste of mythic progression these days, do those WAs complement or replace bw/dbm?
still pagoda
compliment
but... It is better to use BW as a basis imo
it is less noisy compared to DBM
vocal skiff
Yes, I do use BW
vocal skiff
Do you keep the BW default configuration? I imagine it can be quite a lot of clutter in the screen
scarlet copper
question for you guys. I recently geared up a prot warrior.. got all my essences farmed, got my azerites from heroic nzoth/carapace, got tank trinket, I'm pretty close to being optimized. But I only have 1 vers3.... For corruption. Should I spend the 10k to get TD 2 tomorrow, or do I hang on and save up for versatility stuff and hope for some RNG luck for TD
still pagoda
@vocal skiff
the only things i did were to reposition everything and use different BW font
in particular, i changed texture to striped and bars to AddOnSkins Half-Bar
raid WA is placed between target frame and right BW bars
strong forum
@scarlet copper depends on which key levels you're doing
If its 23/24 and below you can totally run TDs
Above those you might wanna start looking into versing it up to smoothe out dmg intake
Technically you can TD as long as you like, all depending on group and comfortability, theres no clear point where to 100% must swap to vers
scarlet copper
okay. I'm 3.4k on my main so I'm still in that 20-22 key range, I'd like to eventually push on the warrior but I Think for the time being I'll rock a TD
thanks!
main shoal
Whats better, scale 460 or rezan eye 465?
sweet summit
scale
strong forum
Scale
main shoal
any reason in particular?
sweet summit
more average haste
strong forum
^
main shoal
oh so it procs more than rezans?
sweet summit
3 times the proc rate
marble cipher
It procs all the time yeah
strong forum
3-4x as much
sweet summit
compared to rezan
vocal skiff
@still pagoda and where do you fit the raid frames? at bottom center?
On another note, swapped VoP to lucid and I am loving it
even though I know I am fucking up with rage cap
strong forum
Scale is 60-75% uptime
vocal skiff
Looks clean
I really have to get used to bar invisibility, with a small screen such as mine, every little bit helps
still pagoda
i grab frames beneath class WA's when i raid heal on my monk alt
steep bone
guys, how much ure selling fh for cuz i dunno if people are trolling with 1k per level or no xD
strong forum
1k per level is cheap as shit
Beyond cheap
Regular price in the community I am is like 10-13k per level
I think
steep bone
which one ure in?
strong forum
RCU, back from when I was alliance
steep bone
well rip me, ive been doing that for 3k a level 
but have u done that as prot war? Don't think i can meet requirements of doing it in 4min
raw crypt
So I'll run full TD and 1 Inefable... xD
strong forum
I didn't boost, only recently helped out a friend on my hdh
Fastest run was like 3:40 with killing 98% of trash
steep bone
oh havoc is masterrace
but i was doing that as prot, pretty okay but if no td procs it was like half a minute to minute longer
still pagoda
lofty talon
do u guys use any addons to get better camera angles for m+ dungeons
i tried maxing out the POV so i can zoom out more and get a better overhead view
still seems cluttered on my screen
sharp night
all the hidden api stuff for camera was removed either in late legion or early bfa
sick sentinel
should i ever use stam flask food over haste food and str flask? for like if i get lots of TD for example?
im at td3 currently
carmine cipher
what do u guys think about the wrathin weapons corruption? atm im running TD3 and Expident 3.
mellow patio
Wrathion weapon corruption is fine but not as good as TD
@sick sentinel no you shouldn’t unless memeing in which case carry on soldier
carmine cipher
yeah aight, i wait more TD then
sick sentinel
okay just making sure, i was figuring fatter TDs
obtuse yoke
is it just me or is the first boss on WS always losing aggro on pull
making it slow for me to do hammers
lofty widget
it takes 99 % less dmg so healer will most likely get aggro
obtuse yoke
that makes sense
raven wasp
i taunt and throw axe then leap to reset taunt so i can taunt again if need be
obtuse yoke
ah smart ty
hallow phoenix
Throw axe should provide the most threat at full armored plating stacks
healer should also try to not mega blast heals for no reason early on
I Avatar + Charge -> SS -> Tclap -> Heroic throw spam until first stack removed. Saving taunt and leap + taunt for if heals rips threat
craggy harness
hmm. does wrathion do a searing breath after gale blast only if you are in range?
hallow phoenix
i believe he'll do it due to spell queue shenanigans, not based on range
craggy harness
pita
hallow phoenix
from what ive noticed its every other gale blast has one after, but i dont really pay attention to it
cause i charge back in anyway >.>
grand drum
Spell queuing, it happens every few gale blasts
craggy harness
#feelsbad when i don't taunt because i expect a gale blast
and 3rd one hits other tank
guessing's its going into my note scribbles
limpid pawn
you know what's funny
healers trying to DPS ultra hard while people have 4x grevious and also like 5x aweakened dots on them
im prob the best geared prot war on my server
i dip to 5% hp after using every single cooldown including LPS and a health pot
this druid was momentarily doing 25k dps
and then later on scuffs the key (this is a 20 SoB0
and justifies his play by saying the risk paid off
unbelievable
civic rover
i feel like there's two types of healers during grievous weeks
ones that immediately heal people back up to >90% and those who wait until they're like 40%
sick sentinel
Newby prot question in low keys reading people say vers isn't a big issue until later keys. Are you saying go for haste/crit gear over gear with vers on it?.
karmic edge
Whats the best prot warrior race
bold plover
HMT
karmic edge
is it really that significant of a dmg reduction with hmt?
bold plover
In my@opinion at least but no race really makes that much of a different for performance
karmic edge
i just dont have legion flying and dont wanna farm up the HMT rep
bold plover
I was speaking from cosmetically but sure the 1% vers is cool and so is the racial usage
mellow patio
No race really matters but if you are min maxing vulpera for horde DI dwarf for alliance most likely
civic rover
best race in terms of looks imo is tauren
sweet hearth
vulpera bis
mellow patio
Vulpera racial winds up being a very significant amount of healing over the course of a dungeon
sick sentinel
you guys were right about temple being easy
mellow patio
But who wants to be a furry
sick sentinel
i did a 2 chest 15 temple tonight,
bold plover
grats
civic rover
but some good races are dwarf/DI dwarf, night elf, orc, troll, tauren/HMT, blood elf, and vulpera.
civic rover
i play a panda just because it's funny
mellow patio
Panda racials underrated tbh don’t @ me
sharp night
the human one isn't a flat 2% like most other racials
it's 2% more of whatever rating you have
civic rover
the double food is actually pretty nice too
civic rover
food? no
bold plover
bro
I have a panda DK named Mammoth
dont @ me
shits an actual meme
cant believe they can be pandas now
DKs I mean
sick sentinel
i named my warrior tankian because all the other good names were taken and i'm a doomer
i thought it was clever
bold plover
Named my warrior Anniversary because I like general nouns/verbs/words
Had my druid named Alcohol before I xferred, :( speaking of which
civic rover
i play all tanks so mine is just [prefix or original name]clap
bold plover
anyone wanna get the name Innervate on Hyjal?
sick sentinel
it blows my mind the skill gap at +15 and beyond
get into one ragnaros group that can barely make it past first boss and it disbands, next is playing like gods and DK pulls stuff out of sanguine without even being asked
civic rover
honestly for anything higher than like a 12 i just get some guildies or friends
it's just not worth the stress of pugs
bold plover
the first mistake Yogi; is seeing latin players and not leaving group
sick sentinel
cuz, i'm not there yet, but i'm hoping to do like a 20 or something before shadowlands
bold plover
1 in 100 of latin players are good
civic rover
i've taken a crack at a few 20s
modern brook
bro rag is the best gamble
civic rover
usually miss the timer by like 2 minutes
modern brook
they're either the best players you've ever seen or just absolute bots
civic rover
and then im just sitting there like 😐
sick sentinel
i'd much rather be in a pug because nobody can hear you rage when your mic isn't plugged in and you aren't in VC
bold plover
^ This; which is why I said 1/100 I pushed top 20 balance in Legion M+ and had a Rag tank, mans was ACTUALLY insane.
I've met maybe
3 good latin players at all
sick sentinel
i get too temporarily angry when a mistake is made, but that fades if i can just concentrate
bold plover
over the course of 8-10 years of WoW
civic rover
someone i play with a lot is a resto shaman from rag
he's actually hella good
but i met him on a discord server
sick sentinel
i probably fit the actually insane part
civic rover
he said that like, the good players on rag never actually pug, so thats why all the latin players in pugs suck
they usually all have push groups and guilds that raid mythic and stuff
bold plover
😢 why cant they show their faces in pugs
sick sentinel
i was doing a temple during bolster grevious, and the whole group was ragnaros, chick was streaming it on twitch
something happened and i died, group died and she got really upset and slammed the desk hard
civic rover
because tbh
pugging is kinda shitty
like you meet some gems but imo it's just not worth dealing with people not knowing stuff
sick sentinel
i just want to play with others i don't know who i feel are the same skill level as i am
civic rover
but you can still pug pretty successfully though
that's just my view but i know a lot of people who pug 18s-20s just fine
sick sentinel
Lol still going to come back to the question haste/crit gear over verse?
bro, i was confused about it when i first got here, and it seems now like that question is asked 100 times per day here.
Sorry I scrolled through and didn't see anything about it. That's why I asked.
civic rover
are you asking stat priority
sick sentinel
stat priority (for keys at least) is haste>crit/versa*/matery *crit before 23 versa at 23
Yeah if verse isn't a big deal until later keys should I try to get more crit/haste gear then eith verse on it
So 23% verse?
no key level 23
Awweee
at level 23 and above, you literally start to get 1 shot by boss and even trash abilities
like 800k or more
Ok so another stupid question
Are you running loot as fury to get haste/crit drops because as prot it seems like it always going to have verse on it.
me personally no, i just target the dungeon i want that has gear i need
sick sentinel
But wouldn't I get diffrent gear drops for fury that would have a less chance of haveing verse on it?
sick sentinel
Word, thanks nexi that cleared up alot of shit.
main vault
That said, once you get a 475 shield and weapon, you should be loot spec Fury for anything not Nzoth
and once you get LPS you should no longer be Prot for Nzoth
sick sentinel
Ok don't know what that means but I'll look it up I literally run m+8 pugs right now 😄
main vault
Its the Prot trinket from Nzoth
civic rover
you want the heroic version ideally
civic rover
i'm not sure if you're supposed to use it in raids but a lot of people use it in M+ i think
main vault
Definitely m+ only
civic rover
i've only done first 3 mythic with prot and used it for wrathion butthat was it
i guess it'd be alright on vex if you're tanking the big add too
but i did prog on monk and i went full dps trinkets
sick sentinel
I got a alot of questions actaully
First time tanking been playing since crusade
At ilvl 455 should I be able to try for + 10 with one td3?
mellow patio
Should be able to do that with relative ease tbh
sick sentinel
Ok ok, I've been super careful about people keys not trying to shoot to high.
grand drum
yo ucan do 15 at that ilvl
steep condor
I'm trying to make it easier for me to see enemy cast bars and threat (do i have it or have i lost it?). Am i better off with threat plates or with plater?
(currently im using plater and i just downloaded dratnos profile for it)
civic rover
at 455 i was able to tank 13s/14s but that was with coordinated guild groups so your mileage may vary
at 474 i'm tanking 15-18 keys without much trouble with a full vers/IT build
which isn't even necessary but I like being sturdy
sick sentinel
Yeah I only have enough courp res for my td3 but I have 15 verse and what ever sheild I can't think of the name has a equip ability of granting you a shield and doing 5k damage while its up.
mellow patio
When you get a new shield at equal or higher ilvl, replace the mechagon shield
It is the worst shield at equal ilvl
sick sentinel
I have another of the same level with better stats???
main vault
So is full vers at 15s tbf
sick sentinel
Awww it soundee good
mellow patio
That too was just about to type that lol
sick sentinel
15% ?
rigid sinew
completely unnecessary
sick sentinel
I don't know what your talking about nexi I dont think your referring to me
mellow patio
Nope we are talking to the guy before you
main vault
Si
mellow patio
You just keep up the good work soldier
sick sentinel
Lol
main vault
el otro
sick sentinel
Because of you guys I'm going to drink some whiskey and go try to run some 10's
Wish me luck
sick sentinel
Buffalo trace
sick sentinel
Oh my bad
main vault
Lol
sick sentinel
The fuck you want
mellow patio
Pbr best whiskey
sick sentinel
Angels envy
mellow patio
🍺
main vault
Redbreast
sick sentinel
Never heard of it
main vault
Depends on the year
12 would be a 5
15 a 10
And so on
I’ve only gotten to enjoy the 21 twice, since it is $300/bottle
The 12 is only about $40
sick sentinel
Yeah.... That all you buddy
main vault
whiskey and cigars
sick sentinel
We on that happy hour budget
main vault
but im old
sick sentinel
I'm getting there
main vault
I turned 34 a couple weeks ago so mid life crisis time
hallow phoenix
Glenlivet 
vale bobcat
can gushing wounds be applied from thunderclap/revenge aoe? or is it strictly ur target
distant crystal
anything should be able to proc it
but it's ppm
if you mean can you rely on it going on your prio target in cleave, nah
dry bridge
Hey what do you guys do about charged claw in motherload high keys its hitting me for around 350k each hit
dry bridge
Well shit
distant crystal
p sure if you reflect it it will chain to other mobs
and it helps if melee aren't on top of you/in front of them when you're facetanking charged claw
cause it'll chain to them and steals healer focus
dry bridge
Thanks im switching from blood and still trying to figure out what to do
full horizon
Doing mythic maut and onward if anyone wants to join! Need a sexy tank and some dps
steep bone
you forgot to add if it's eu/na horde/ally 😄
wintry cradle
Fuck I missed a scotch discussion?!
Auchentosian (sp?) and Ardbeg are definitely my favourites
sullen valve
Beer > scotch
wintry cradle
Both have a place. But I’m partial to scotch for casual drinking.
steep bone
What essences to run for 5mask? cof major, vop, warden, cnf?
steep bone
Last time i used it it was generating so many errors and was messing with ui so probably not working at all anymore
but you should sim yourself for traits
hard stratus
Are any of the Titan Residuum pieces worth buying for prot? I have BIS pieces from Ny'alotha, but heroic versions.
steep bone
you can't have 470+ chest from hc so go for that
and also dc > ilvl > bom, dc worths 15ilvls from what i remember but don't quote me on that
halcyon pasture
Howdy gents.
Does null barrier major drop creeping madness stacks?
I did some research and all I can find is that it's untested from tanknotes
mellow patio
What the heck do you need an extra button to drop stacks for
Avatar drops them and if you don’t have avatar call for a freedom or tigers list
Lmao I saw it
steep bone
well no question no answer lmao
real orchid
I recently started playing with a feral druid and he pulls threat off me often
I never really had issue with threat before, clapping as fast I can lol
any idea why?
steep bone
is there big difference in gear? I mean if you're potato geared and he's like 480 he might be outaggroing if he's big pumping before you even get to clap
green hornet
can someone tell me why the vast majority of the highest tanks in the world are now running the alchemist stone over other trinkets? ive seen it now on wars, dks, monks.. is it for the increased healing on health pot? what makes it better than a vita or the dmg reduction from lingering etc?
for m+ that is
real orchid
no, i wouldn't say he massively outgeared me
but maybe its my rotation
i'm not tabbing targets at start (say 4-5 targets)
to establish further aggro?
i normally relies on clap and revenge for aoe threat and try to stay on priority target
green hornet
is he getting big ass TD procs, arent they a crit heavy spec?
green hornet
hmm k
real orchid
obv if my TD proc, it's not an issue
sharp night
alch trinket has static vers and a giant str proc on 1 min cd and they're already stacking versatile
and what DR are you talking about on 
?
or you mean LPS?
steep bone
just depleted fh with frost mage playing extra slow and dh stunning almost dead mobs in sanguine, didn't know it's possible to depleto fh xD
onyx vessel
Dont run with them shit happens
I try to remind my group dont stun
Mostly the rogue
6 second stun in sang
steep bone
maaaaan, it was going pretty fine
but then dh started religiously stunning stuff in sang and mage decided to root cuz fixate
onyx vessel
Pug?
steep bone
indeed
onyx vessel
Pugging sang
steep bone
i love splitting ice glacial spike
onyx vessel
steep bone
if i inspected mage and see hes frost id just either tell leader to swap that guy or leave
worst 35min of ma life
steep bone
which one 😮
inland silo
Depends on key level
steep bone
jesus
inland silo
if you're doing a 15-19 key and see a fire mage
steep bone
i actually two chested 15 sots
inland silo
they're honestly griefing
steep bone
ive way of doing sang with pugs
steep bone
I just xonstantly backpedal
onyx vessel
The shrine i did this week i was dpsing showing my guilds mt the snap spots
steep bone
But depleto 17fh
onyx vessel
steep bone
O i know like four there
onyx vessel
Team game cant hard carry 4 apes
steep bone
Did You actually notice that pugs usually tend to ignore cc button but when its sang they spam it off CD literally in worst possible moments
onyx vessel
Well mage was rooting mobs to safe themselves
Has 4 cds and invis
Clearly not smart
Dk has grip
So i dont see how sang is a problem
onyx vessel
Some dungeons its very shit
steep bone
SoB 🙂
steep bone
lethal charm
Is there a Corruption mark we should not get over as "casual" Tank? Only raiding some mythic Bosses and +15 keys at max.
steep bone
whatever you're comfortable with
i'
i've been playing with 57 corruption for some time and wasn't that bad
honest solstice
what should i go for Major if my Conflict and Strife still Rank 2 and all other Essences are Rank 3 !? : (
honest solstice
great Thx ❤️
vapid sage
Is there an essence I can sub in for Lucid Dreams?
or wait
im confusing prot with arms
steep bone
if i see big improvement in my survivability while playing with lucid dreams major in 15-17s then you'd say it's just my bad gameplay with vop major or cuz im actually not doing pack by pack but few packs lined with cds, i mean dunno i've been getting told to play vop major until like 20+
or vop major is just better when im not doing bigger pulls
lethal charm
The trinkets on Icy Veins are listed on rankings or just general? Like whats the best Raiding / M+ Trinket tho? This Ashenvane one? For tanks?
strong forum
Dragonscale / vita / lingering psychic shell
Are the 3 I recommend
Everything else is niche
wide harbor
i feel like i know the basics and can tank 10-14 keys but I feel like I'm missing something. Is there a youtuber or streamer you recommend i watch to learn the more advanced stuff about tanking and prot warrior specifically?
sweet summit
nerftanks yt series
main vault
No
He has a YouTube series where he pugs and does commentary over the keys about what he is doing and why and etc
wide harbor
oh ok i see
main vault
They are all 15-20
wide harbor
thanks for clarification
lethal charm
Do we have a AzeriteWeights for M+ or pick the offensive one?
sweet summit
nah you pick ONE DC>BoM>CwH/HoD/MS>IF/BfI
upper violet
What is cwh
still pagoda
Clockwork Heart
upper violet
O
sweet summit
Man having four billion vers is funny as hell
still pagoda
@main vault The stuff in this vid is literally the 12-17 bracket in a nutshell
main vault
Yeah that’s why it’s a good range to do the videos in
still pagoda
he's a really cool guy, but fanbase is utter garbage that doesn't thOnk
wanton meadow
this evening corruption there will versatile ?
loud shoal
nope
halcyon coyote
jaunty moth
Is CNS worth using at rank 2 and under 20 keys?
upper violet
i think agies is better than cns at that rank
sick sentinel
damn, td2 is up this week, should have gotten more nya to buy one
amber siren
nya? OwO
steep bone
Pretty sure You can farm 10k before it goes off
sweet summit
main vault
nbd
onyx gale
Expedient 2 vs Expedient 3 stacking if going for a TD/Ineffable/Expedient build for raiding?
main vault
haste is haste
tribal quartz
Is there a weird interaction with conflict major and gorgers in waycrest? I'm having melee players die to the gorgers but I have aggro on everything
strong forum
Frontals, the bane of melee specs, especially if they've never tanked before
sick sentinel
i think you can stun or fear those guys too
modern brook
Its 2020 and ppl are still learning what dungeon trash does smh
sweet summit
wtf do you live in the future or something
still pagoda
Frontals, the bane of melee specs, especially if they've never tanked before
Say hello to my +19JY
where DPS and healer caught every fucking frontal
modern brook
The only time I've ever died in jy is when the grenade circles are in the water or ramp so u cant actually see them
still pagoda
^
tiny rapids
There will be new players everyday. Or just don't care enough. We as tank gotta deal with it.
strong forum
yes with spell reflect
inner onyx
can someone show me a desirable end game gear set for tanking keys
strong forum
TD is best until 23ish keys
for a middle ground set on those levels i guess you could copy my character
im not full versed out
inner onyx
can i get a link?
strong forum
inner onyx
thank you 🙂
i have all teh gear and echoes and arms+fury are done so i wanna round out the prot set
strong forum
ye i pugged skitra, cuz bored
strong forum
na i aint doing anything serious this expac anymore
inner onyx
is this not best
main vault
Its been so hard for me to get into trialing this late
Just dont care about BFA content
inner onyx
ok so just cleanse that
still pagoda
but i did it
main vault
yeah like i wanna do well, but still playing catchup and getting rhythm down.
still pagoda
more and more guilds open up tank spots on Kazzak rn
strong forum
if you can throw on another TD or 2x IT1 then yes cleanse the searing breath chilly
still pagoda
i've found one before this all started
main vault
and im learning fights while they are faming them
still pagoda
but vivv may have a chance now
mellow patio
Skitra... stand there and hit boss and question where your damage went
strong forum
tfw got 96 first time doing skitra
main vault
but like, what do i hit
inner onyx
@strong forum ty sir
sweet summit
the boss
mellow patio
I hit the 99 before 
inner onyx
ya i saw TD3 up on tues
main vault
do I just need to save cds for real skitra?
inner onyx
so i was trying to plan out what i should do
main vault
and ignore add/other skitra?
strong forum
nexii just full blasted, and pray you have 2 people in different phases logging
main vault
Oh is that what it is
strong forum
ye
mellow patio
Ye
strong forum
kek
main vault
yeah, i still got an alt there
mellow patio
Ah I’m not in stoic anymore
main vault
Oh well f u then
mellow patio
Brain delay
mellow patio
You may have seen us briefly in the world first race 🤣
still pagoda
We are a group of 2 day/week gamers
@mellow patio
This is the requirement that i have for raiding tbh
since i don't want to raid 4 nights/week anymore
still pagoda
and not getting CE at the same time
main vault
yeah ive been trying to look good mechanically
So I target add, use cds on visions, etc
mellow patio
Lucky for you looking good mechanically in nyalotha is ez clap
At this point I actively work against our dps
main vault
lol
mellow patio
It’s like adding an affix to raid
gets beam on vexiona
blasts hunter to the shadow realm
We are down to one day a week now so it’s time to juice up hawgbear
inner onyx
would you say TD3 + IF2 + Vers 3 for rest is ideal @strong forum
main vault
Only thing I care about at this point is a CE guild that is relaxed enough to not care what ranged I play
still pagoda
We are down to one day a week now so it’s time to juice up hawgbear
I'm going to prog N'zoth as warr it seems :D
and we won't have BrM
mellow patio
I have an easier time than our brew on that fight tbh
strong forum
for 20-25 id say so yes, past that you wanna get rid of TD and go vers% to be consistent in dmg intake
mellow patio
Few times in psychus where damage gets Highish but in general it’s easy. Make sure you don’t take any unblocked whacks from juiced thought harvesters
inner onyx
for 20-25 id say so yes, past that you wanna get rid of TD and go vers% to be consistent in dmg intake
@strong forum ya that's the range i'd be tanking
strong forum
its not needed, but makes it a bit more chill
mellow patio
gets one shot
strong forum
so far i havent been the issue in terms of survivability and i play with rsham, if it wasnt rsham i wouldnt even need to run any vers
mellow patio
Poor rsham
mellow patio
TD go brrrrrrr
strong forum
still just crit/haste and TD go brrr
mellow patio
Huge dong TD critz
mellow patio
sweet summit
warrior
strong forum
warrior
strong forum
does bear get anything fun
mellow patio
Don’t know haven’t looked lmao
main vault
Bearserk and HotW
strong forum
mh
mellow patio
I want to play bear mainly because I feel like double bear tank could be a delicious meme
errant valve
I saw Deswind played with avoidant as prot, is that any good?
main vault
If you have it, it isn’t bad
strong forum
if you can fit it into your corruption budget, its a very good corruption for high keys and specs that actually run haste
errant valve
I have one in the bank, gonna try find a item that works for both arms/prot
strong forum
helps alot with mechanics that could hit multiple targets
for example FH first boss, charge off 3rd boss, the fire on last boss
and so on and so forth
errant valve
yeah, does it increase with haste from other sources like trinkets and stuff?
strong forum
cap is 20% but all haste stuff counts into it
errant valve
ah nice, shouldnt be a problem to hit that limit then 😉
errant valve
I have 7% atm just from items
strong forum
ye its fairly easy to hit the 20%
sick sentinel
this might sound a bit dumb but i set all my graphics to 1 except for filtering and projected textures, and i feel like the garunteed 60fps helps
yeah, pretty much, the biggest difference i notice outside of aoe enemy spells (makes it easier to spot them) is the old GTA3 fog after 20 meters effect from view distance being limited
halcyon coyote
is revenge more important than thunderclap when it comes to damage
halcyon coyote
roger
strong forum
TC also hits harder
sweet summit
get more TD 
sweet summit
im not your buddy, mate
near pewter
does anyone know if a BiS list for only Mythic Plus dungeons?
near pewter
well i understand the haste vers... i was just wondering ifanyone had a list of dungeons/ drops?
strong forum
i dont see the point, dungeon journal exists
devout gull
yeah exactly
strong forum
can make that list yourself in like 5minutes
if you really want it
nobody really does bis lists these days
due to the way gearing works and the multiple sources of loot
devout gull
and the fact that if you are at the point of worrying about a bis list you should know what you're looking for
strong forum
ye thats generally how it goes
near pewter
clearly i know i could od it myself... i was just wondering if there was a list already made
mental scarab
mental anchor
Thats a mixed list
devout gull
and wrong
strong forum
you wanna swap that rezans with dragonscale and weapon with carapace
devout gull
imagine using corruption on NOT TD / IE
mental anchor
I find a 475 Rezan better than DS? And I just use wrath 475 because I havnt downed cara mythic yet
strong forum
a 475 rezans is worse than scale
mental anchor
Really? Hmm I guess I’ll start using my scale then
mental anchor
Gotcha
strong forum
a 460 scale is better than 475 rezan even
mental anchor
Hmmm, most of the time I run void just for the vers
strong forum
THATS
an int
right there
thats like removing 4+ sockets off of your gear
just for fun
wooden radish
@ionic fern so on my shadowlands alpha warrior, should i enchant the 89 stam to cape or the 59 stam + 111 leech? is 111 leech worth 30 stam? can you write a post on skyhold.gg about this? thanks. Your Cat.
devout gull
wooden radish
oh
there is a shadowlands protection channel
thanks
let the memes really begin
undone sun
😡
strong forum
ohnono
still pagoda
@mellow patio @tame garden sometimes i want to protect my feral bro
modern brook
Yikes feral pumps wtf
still pagoda
exactly
strong forum
ya idk chief
still pagoda
My feral bro is an alt and a warlock brain
modern brook
Smol :^(
still pagoda
so ofc he won't have much rn
strong forum
corruptions? which corruptions they dont have any crazy ones
they can run whatever they want
nothing is a clear winner
not even essences
theyre a big hot mess of questionmarks
still pagoda
^
limpid pawn
Someone link me to the resto Druid discord right now
Going in there and seeing for myself why this shit persists
(Dosing instead of healing on grevious week)
Dpsing
graceful wave
Lol , best guess is it’s less fun. But doesn’t Druid struggle the least with it ?
limpid pawn
It’s an epidemic. A lot of healers are healing improperly during grevious week because RaNk OnE stReaMeRs DPS maInlY
Like I said yesterday, I’m the best geared prot war on my server, I have timed 20++ keys and they are letting me drop to sub 5% health because they are dpsing
Actual dps players in the group dying on the regular and keys getting scuffed or me HARD carrying the group despite the healer fucking up
still pagoda
It’s an epidemic. A lot of healers are healing improperly during grevious week because RaNk OnE stReaMeRs DPS maInlY
@limpid pawn
Just garbage healers
this is really an epidemic now
shy rapids
what stats for mythic + ?
sweet summit
ilvl>haste>crit
sick sentinel
@lusty grotto now that there’s a new enchant coming in Shadowlands, the burning question in my mind remains —
drop ilvl for leech?
sweet summit
still pagoda
undone sun
mellow patio
warm plinth
We've done pretty well so far this week; timed a 20 KR and 21 Shrine that were both upgrades. Now half my keys are 21 timed and half are 20 timed
void hill
Can anyone explain how to properly use Ignore Pain
main vault
To dump rage
obtuse yoke
@sick sentinel 😮 HI
sick sentinel
hi hi
obtuse yoke
coach my prot war ty
sick sentinel
aight
cedar vapor
for tanking do you just stack haste versa?
sweet summit
if you're doing giga keys you stack vers
if you dont you want ilvl>haste>crit for m+
and raids are not that hard hitting, so most people just go full damage
cedar vapor
oh lol
well i got my arms set which is stackin versa for pvp so thinkin about just doing that for tanking to get these last 4 +15 times its impossible to get group as a dps lol
still pagoda
We've done pretty well so far this week; timed a 20 KR and 21 Shrine that were both upgrades. Now half my keys are 21 timed and half are 20 timed
@warm plinth
ez
with 3 gigabig pulls
vocal skiff
an interesting thing I've noticed is that in this season people only expect discord in the 20+ range and even then some shy away
back in season 2 I remember it was usual to have discord in the 16-18 range
limpid pawn
im on a rampage today. flaming every single healer for shit play
still pagoda
im on a rampage today. flaming every single healer for shit play
@limpid pawn
SAME
limpid pawn
healing is actually one of the easiest ways to get carried most weeks
i realize this now
still pagoda
i've been doing this for 2 days now
limpid pawn
don't @ me - it's true
limpid pawn
a lot of healers just get carried through low-mid keys through nongrevious weeks
still pagoda
yea
limpid pawn
their job is objectively easier, this is facts.
vocal skiff
if the group is not made of monkeys, that is
it can be exhausting to heal a group that keeps taking dumb damage
limpid pawn
if you are a bad dps, you won't climb IO and won't get invited unless you buy carries
vocal skiff
I mean mentally exhausting
still pagoda
^
limpid pawn
but as a healer, you are a critical role and have an easier time just getting accepted despite sucking
still pagoda
while healer is chill on most weeks
limpid pawn
due to higher demand for the role. The role however is much more forgiving for mistakes than a tank
still pagoda
^
vocal skiff
I get that
limpid pawn
especially when the group is mongo geared for mid/low keys during non grevious weeks
where 0 affixes are your responsibility as a healer
thus we get healers with like ~2k ish IO
that absolutely are disgustingly bad
i.e. DPSING when members have 4 stacks of grevious. 0 ring of peace usage, using revival just on CD when party is at full life
things like this
halcyon coyote
does vers % corruption (or any other % stat corruption) scale linearly in the final vers values?
i.e: is there a bigger change when going from 6x vers3 to 7x vers3
than there is from going from 2x vers3 to 3x vers3?
halcyon coyote
okay cool
steep bone
Hmm, Im standing in front of choice of td5 and 59 corruption or td4 and 37 corruption
steep bone
yes but still dunno if i want to make my healer life harder
steep bone
good point
upper violet
Hate to see that
steep bone
back to corrupted waifu bois
upper violet
slender finch
Time to blast
steep bone
i also finally swapped 430 legs to 475 ones
still pagoda
Hmm, Im standing in front of choice of td5 and 59 corruption or td4 and 37 corruption
@steep bone
TD5 all the way
I'm sitting with exactly the same setup rn
steep bone
@still pagoda i wanted not to let nzoth take control over me again
current resi is 105 right?
max one i mean
steep bone
that's 22 more than i have hm
slender finch
U can just buy cores
still pagoda
57 corruption TD5+2xIT1
slender finch
is IT that good?
still pagoda
With lucid major and VoP, CnS and Sphere minors
steep bone
well technically ive corruptions on 475 pieces and 470/475 haste vers rings so unlikely ill change that soon
steep bone
thing is i can only get 2 cores
slender finch
Unless u can get nzoth ring soon
steep bone
still pagoda
Nzoth ring is more of a vers stacking
steep bone
not getting m version ever
steep bone
but its not like im gonna be doing low keys forever
still pagoda
Nothing is superior to mecharings
slender finch
for dps y
still pagoda
And str is not present on rings
steep bone
2x weekly mecha rings, the dream
steep bone
ehh
Guys, how do you run UR with killing all awakened dudes before final boss, i don't wanna do blob with it xD
warm plinth
Uh, use 3rd ob to skip to last ob. Pull defiler alone as the corrupter pats away and then do corrupter/worm together
cedar vapor
What does the talent tree look like for Mythic+ prot any1 able to send me a screenshot
steep bone
@warm plinth that's what i've been doing but everytime i do that someone bodypulls next expansion
sharp night
you can clear left side instead if you have enough count without the skels on the right
and then drag that ob back to the spider
then you only have to deal with 1 worm when you phase out
it's just less efficient because you're killing a bunch of single mobs mostly
cedar vapor
is there a shield enchant?
steep bone
nope
cedar vapor
mk ty
still pagoda
Just do blob basically
midnight snow
Always blob with boss
still pagoda
starting to prep for big d*ck keys
obtuse yoke
@sharp night i much prefer clearing the left blob obelisk first as well, then taking that to the spider obelisk. Too many pugs mess up doing spider to the blob imo
steep bone
they either doesn't kill stuff fast enough or get feared by patrol guy or bodypull tentacles from room on the right
still pagoda
steep bone
or all at once kekw
steep bone
tbh it's shitfiesta enough on last boss with pugs to add them even more stuff to watch for
steep bone
which they take as stand in middle is fine
cedar vapor
Tank and DPS IO is the same right?
still pagoda
no
cedar vapor
well thats lame lol
still pagoda
they're separated a bit
cedar vapor
so ima have to get the 15s on dps anyways
still pagoda
but the main score is a congregation of both
cedar vapor
uhhhh these last 4 15s r being really annoying lol
still pagoda
and it will show it through icons in the addon
cedar vapor
yeah thats what i thought
steep bone
how is that lame, tanking and dpsing is completly different thing
cedar vapor
because i just want to time that last 4 15s n not have to way for an hour each time to even attempt one
cedar vapor
if i have no tank IO then noones gunna accept me for a 15
steep bone
if you have any io ppl will accept you to 15s
still pagoda
i can scuff heal a 15 on my monk
if you have any io ppl will accept you to 15s [2]
because 15's are beyond easy
cedar vapor
I just want the achieve then i just wanna use tank to spam underrot for vial
still pagoda
why not do both at the same time lol
cedar vapor
15s are easy but people make em hard my fury set isnt even that great i only get like 70-80K overall dps n im still higher than everyone else
i already timed a 16 underrot
still pagoda
push your own key
steep bone
have you ever tried
still pagoda
^