pugs will always fail to do mechanics
#protection
still pagoda
sick sentinel
i will not go without a rogue, and someone lust in kit
icy harness
tyrannical is so bad
analog swift
tbh one of the worse weeks for TD
sick sentinel
tyran is better than fort
analog swift
say what now
sick sentinel
it's more fun
icy harness
tyran is definitely not better than fort bruh
sick sentinel
takes 10x more brain power and optimization
still pagoda
even +21 becomes pretty fun
sick sentinel
and perfection
still pagoda
and spicy
analog swift
WATCH OUT
still pagoda
i like tyr weeks
sick sentinel
i somewhat prefer tyranical because boss damage is very predictable
analog swift
WE GOT A BADASS IN HERE
still pagoda
because they are SPICY
analog swift
26/27 keys
icy harness
Kyothi is a god, i agree
but
your opinion is invalid
:D
only masochists like tyra
sick sentinel
i like tyranical because sometimes people just get deleted on boss and it's funny
yes it's funny
icy harness
laughs in depleted keys
sick sentinel
Your healer doing 160k HPS on volkaal and everyone almost gets one shot every tick
is fun
still pagoda
i'm already past the super masochist
icy harness
lol
i'm still sad about my dps
I was still top dps next to those buffoons we had
but cmon
still pagoda
icy harness
EVEN FURTHER
still pagoda
B E Y O N D
sweet summit
icy harness
still pagoda
mellow patio
strong forum
vocal skiff
Do you go trogg or mid gnomes this week on NA junkyard?
dark lark
I've tried both
dark lark
Tried clearing all the way to Gobbamak, and tried doing the usual early zap bots on the hill and then going into TrixieNaeno
icy harness
i don't really rely on TD procs
dark lark
I think I liked gnomes first
still pagoda
kek
icy harness
still pagoda
xD
vocal skiff
So you picked up bots near gunker and then gnomes on mid?
still pagoda
explosive
icy harness
unluck
icy harness
@vocal skiff go gunker, pick up 3 shockies, clear everything, bl on gunker
dark lark
@vocal skiff yeah you get more bots that way I think
icy harness
then pillar to twins, clear trash, kill boss, walk to king
pillar back to 2nd pillar
vocal skiff
can't do that this week
dark lark
Helcopter is above gunker this week
vocal skiff
HM on gunker on NA
dark lark
Unless that's your point
dark lark
DO IT ANYWAY?!
sweet hearth
hardmode +25 ez
hallow phoenix
Go gunker for 3 shockies, pillar to gnomes, do gnomes, walk to troggs, do troggs, pillar to gunker and finish him
dark lark
Don't even need to pillar to gunker, you can use trogg obelisk to skip that one pack, then hop back in and ride mounted to an older portal
hallow phoenix
Yeah
limpid pawn
left hatch
yeh havoc is a very strong ehhh
they loves them their versa
i think prot and ret pals want them
warm plinth
I'm a havoc main and I think simming the 475 set vs my current rings was like a 40 DPS increase, which was basically the margin for error
left hatch
i haven't even bothered simming them at 475 cause don't have either half
warm plinth
I did it just to see if it was something I should hope for haha
left hatch
but haste is being really devalued for me rn between 3xFG and OP
warm plinth
But I have basically BiS rings outside of getting mythic N'zoth ring
left hatch
if its not versa or crit its crap
warm plinth
Did I say they didn't?
warm plinth
Makes no sense to make a big deal out of nothing either, but here you are.
warm plinth
Then shhh
sweet summit
mellow patio
Smells like turd in here
warm plinth
I like your avatar Hawgz
warm plinth
I can see that XD
grim hornet
do we survive Second Breath of Wrathion with Spell Reflect?
mellow patio
Just make sure you got an IP up and you’ll be fine
summer sequoia
how important is a shield's ilevel? Im at 420ilevel right now with ilevel 400 weapons. Looking at the conquest gear I can get a 440 weapon pretty easily. Kind of want to get a 2 hander for my off spec, but wondering if a shield upgrade or even MH would be significant for tanking m+
stark sage
its the best slot you can upgrade
summer sequoia
okay
still pagoda
Hunter/mage rogue just too good 🦀
@sick sentinel
Double ranged is back?!
vocal skiff
it definitely is on the higher end
restive plaza
is it normal to get absolutely smacked in kings rest +13?
the spell caster on the 3rd boss is insane damage so is the trash before the last boss
strong forum
well you have to interrupt the casts
but you shouldnt feel like youre getting smacked in a 13
narrow stream
Spell reflect on cd and set up a macro that tells everyone you're casting spell reflect and only use ignore pain to dump rage :)
narrow stream
Other than that yor group should kick as many as possible
lusty grotto
oh hey i guess i gotta throw it in the bin, jk i have to take 3 portals to get there
oh hey let me try crafting again, take 3 portals again to fucking heart of shiteroth
narrow stream
It's pretty much always good
lusty grotto
whoever came up with expulsom and this dumbass horde city need to be moved to Overwatch to finish killing the game
what key lvl?
narrow stream
But for like 20 and lower you're better off with vop
analog swift
Not for kiting
lusty grotto
bait on hunter pets, blade dance
analog swift
Just for verse
lusty grotto
cnr not needed
analog swift
23 kr
analog swift
I mean in full verse it’s a fuck ton
narrow stream
You get double for interrupting and stunning :)
lusty grotto
i believe there's a handy pin
for that kind of question but honestly it feels like you dont need it cause you've made up your mind
analog swift
Well that’s if it procs wasn’t sure how much could be rooted
regal saddle
It enjoyable to perms root things with it proc during avatar
dark lark
even in lower keys i run conflict major in certain dungeons because it just comes in handy to root stuff
junkyard is one (troggs, baby slimes, blasters), TD is another (kiting entire beach in first pull, adds that run away)
AD if i dont feel like snapping
it's not terrible to run conflict major
but for survivability i agree that you don't need it in lower keys as a major. the root is just handy
lusty grotto
@strong forum this channel has really gone downhill eh
@warm plinth what have you done
lusty grotto
always blame ghash
strong forum
noted
also no, you run lucid in KR for zul, CnS major is kinda meh in there
and rest of trash you can "easily" deal with stuns or simply outranging for the bleed
warm plinth
Why is this my fault
lusty grotto
its always your fault
its your fault ive been crafting belts and legs all fucking day and 0 auroras
scarlet copper
Hey guys, I had a friend tell me I’m prioritizing shield block over ignore pain too much. How would you rate these two abilities for overall mitigation?
lusty grotto
SB > IP
well it kinds of depends on the content
but lets say keys usually have a lot more physical damage going on
honestly you shouldn't compare the two since you can use them at the same time basically
scarlet copper
Well sometimes I’m rage limited and I don’t know which to use
lusty grotto
if youre rage limited youre not using your other abilities right, probably
SS generates a lot of rage, Demo with BV generates a lot of rage, Avatar generates rage and its cd is reduced by VoP+Unstoppable Force
- AM of course (and of course booty clapping generates rage on every clap)
also Last Stand with Boslter is pretty much free
and its yet another charge of shield block pretty much for its entire duration
warm plinth
Your friend is wrong is the short answer
lusty grotto
to answer your question, you are supposed to use SB for jsut about everything and IP to smooth out damage intake
prio, if rage limited (which you shouldn't be) should be on SB first and foremost
do you have logs maybe we can look at rage management a bit
loud shoal
you should be thinking in your head "don't take a melee without shield block, don't take a melee without shield block, don't take a melee without shield block"
lusty grotto
thats accurate, or in the case of rock throws or physical ranged attacks as well
scarlet copper
Okay got it. I’m super new to prot warrior so I think reviewing my logs would be like drinking from a firehose right now
scarlet copper
Fair enough, but nah unfortunately don’t have logs.
I still have stuff to learn for sure though. I just need practice
lusty grotto
thanks for your contribution
primal dune
Is mechagon tank trinket garbage?
lusty grotto
yes
sick sentinel
yes
primal dune
How viable is the dragon scale rezan load out
primal dune
Which one should be replace for psychic shell
sick sentinel
i got 460 rezan and a 465 block ATM, really need to do raids
left hatch
rezan
lusty grotto
what key level are you running
left hatch
Vita>>>>>scale>rezan
sick sentinel
12 texts away from r3 on my huntard
primal dune
15-18
primal dune
Vita sims lower
lusty grotto
haste's contribution isn't damage alone
sick sentinel
what out of the raid is good for running dungeons?
lusty grotto
vita
sick sentinel
15-16
left hatch
vita also has a share the love factor
lusty grotto
scale
left hatch
and mwahi has a spreadsheet comparing the real haste value from the 3
still pagoda
haste's contribution is CDR first and foremost
still pagoda
which leads to both damage and survivability boosts
sick sentinel
what about the dps trinket?
left hatch
eh its ok
lusty grotto
meh
left hatch
nothing spectacular
ripe shale
scale is giga strength too
sick sentinel
i gotta run junk a bunch of times for one of them rings
sick sentinel
i got the other piece that is ...do nature dmg, but the other one i got is when you attack from behind... so it's really
primal dune
My crit stat weight is higher by a fair margin, I suspect it’s to boost TD damage
west mica
anyone have a good vers tracking wa. Ive seen the one used by Naowh on his stream but i cant seem to find it on wago
primal dune
Unstoppable force
modern brook
thats the one
sick sentinel
still better to take bounding stride over crackling thunder in most scenarios right?
modern brook
also #ui-addons-manager has better answers most likely
warm plinth
@lusty grotto Hi cutie
primal dune
In UR you can solo last boss with crack thunder
warm plinth
You can solo last boss anyway. Just mouseover heroic throw
primal dune
Yesterday I soloed the boss for 2-1/2 phases with crack thunder and victory rush
Heroic throw takes away a whole global
Crack thunder is naturally in your rotation
And you clear multiple balls simultaneously
warm plinth
You can clear spores without getting hit without crackling though, with TC
left hatch
sick sentinel
i'm just so used to playing with bounding hard to switch, safegaurd was a nice to have back in the day
primal dune
Crackling makes it safer to clear, since it guarantees that you won’t be hit by balls when positioned well
sick sentinel
https://www.wowhead.com/item=169308/chain-of-suffering&bonus=4798:1487 super underrated trinket last season
hallow phoenix
i always tried to kill my healer with it
sick sentinel
or falls below 25% Health, the effect is cancelled.
but it really was soo good though
hallow phoenix
put that on person A, have an hpal sac person A, and then safeguard the hpal
wut happen
sick sentinel
warm plinth
I saw a video clip of a shadow priest lifeswapping at 1% HP the other day in arena, but the rogue they life swapped had cloak up, so they just ended up both at full HP 😂
primal dune
What if it’s spell reflected
warm plinth
Don't think it works that way
sharp night
you can't reflect allied spells
trim bay
Is sphere still viable at rank 1? Rank 2 just increases the Buff by a second or 2?
sick sentinel
so, safegaurd is bad
warm plinth
Rank 1 is just fine; it has 100% uptime while you're being hit. Rank 2 just increases uptime during periods you aren't being hit, which is a marginal improvement at best @trim bay
Safeguard isn't bad
sick sentinel
okay, what if i go for vita, and i get void instead? 460, would that be bad?
trim bay
Ok sweet. Thank you @warm plinth
mental needle
which minor essences are best for max dmg in mythic dungeons?
warm plinth
Void is awful, yes.
which minor essences are best for max dmg in mythic dungeons?
@mental needle Vision/Lucid major, C&S/Lucid/Vision/Strength of the Warden minor
sick sentinel
can hunters/DH/other use see invis for wrathion stealth adds?
had no idea this was a thing till just now
still pagoda
Rank 1 is just fine; it has 100% uptime while you're being hit. Rank 2 just increases uptime during periods you aren't being hit, which is a marginal improvement at best @trim bay
@warm plinth
And rank 3 gives you movement speed
Which is the God's grace on necrotic weeks
mental needle
thanks ghash, can you explain why strength of the warden is good for dmg? is it because the 3% more health affect my twilight devastation procs?
warm plinth
Meh
trim bay
I would rather eat glass then pvp
And my works hours stop me from getting conquest cap some weeks. Visious cycle
warm plinth
Well it's not that it's necessarily good for damage but it's better than Formless if you need the corruption resistance unless your healer is running CoF major
I don't think any assistance is needed on necrotic weeks for the most part. The shit I can't avoid with a well timed leap or intercept is something I wouldn't avoid any better with a tiny bit of movespeed
mental needle
i totally forgot about the 10 corruption resistance i need
warm plinth
@trim bay Are you referring to C&S or Sphere?
mental needle
@warm plinth would you also see c&s as a good minor if i only have rank 2?
warm plinth
Yeah it's not as good obviously but it's still solid
sudden mesa
Question regarding shield block. Is it worth to keep shield block till you have shield slam up, or should you just focus on always having shield block up during packs ? Is the 30% dmg worth taking the extra dmg for ?
warm plinth
The interaction between shield block and shield slam is not something you should be overthinking
sudden mesa
Primary reason is that I feel like I do 0 dmg single target, and that might be the reason
warm plinth
Shield Block should be up whenever you're taking blockable damage, period. The Shield Slam damage is mostly just a bonus in terms of how you think of it.
sudden mesa
Thanks ! This part has been bothering me a lot, and I feel like I die a lot more than I should/am necessitated to pull less because I sometimes hold onto SB
warm plinth
Yeah you never hold Shield Block unless you're like...tanking a boss and they're not currently hitting you (either during a cast or they're running away, e.g. Cragmaw during Tantrum)
trim bay
@warm plinth both. Mainly CnS as Im using rank 2 atm. Im only doing 19/20s. Lucid major vision/warden/cns minor. People say use sphere and cns isn't as good as aeigs rank 3 if I only got rank 2.
Im like me dumb I thunderclap lol
rugged sentinel
working on my prot alt, what would you recommend for first essence to buy? cns? maybe SOTW?
primal dune
Major first
rugged sentinel
I was checking floorpov yesterday and he was running CNS major and now he is using SOTW. i typically just check m+ ladder for the essences, but i was a bit confused from that
looks like CNS is most popular
still pagoda
I was checking floorpov yesterday and he was running CNS major and now he is using SOTW. i typically just check m+ ladder for the essences, but i was a bit confused from that
@rugged sentinel
Don't do this for tank specs
World of the highest keys is completely different from 15-23 range
My general advice will be reall steady
Buy minors first
Since the only major you will need till +20 keys is VoP
rugged sentinel
Gotcha. I don't think I can go wrong with CNS so I'll just begin there, esp since vers + thunderstruck is useful
hmm VOP is a big boost too.
honestly this catch up method is ass 😛
still pagoda
The general order for minors would be CnS > Lucid > sphere > SotW/Formless > Null
VoP is the only good major for keys below +20
With lucid becoming fine around +19 depending on week
CnS is taken in +25-28 keys not because of its root, but because double defensive benefit allows avoiding oneshots that start becoming a problem at such a high level
Otherwise CnS major is meh
rugged sentinel
Oh i get it. Its niche for big keys, but mandatory at that rate
still pagoda
Root is useful only in few dungeons on fort weeks in higher keys(+20 and higher)
Very niche thing
Seriously
rugged sentinel
i saw the data in the pins but i thought not to care enough rn because i'm going to be casually helping friends on this char, not pushing rating
still pagoda
VoP major for anything below +20
Well, the pinned pdf explains exactly why you should not run most of these major essences in keys below +20
still pagoda
Playing belf and i'm fine
rugged sentinel
maybe vulpera/goblin like a pyscho
still pagoda
After 6 years of goatgirl worship
rugged sentinel
Vuplera seems a bit tacky, especially warrior. you see a lot of em.
hmmm...
anyway ty!
bold plover
HMT or Tauren for the ultimate experience
mortal brook
HMT, be sure to add DynamicCam
rugged sentinel
too late. i made a goblin female and regret my life choices
i lied. i really like it
mortal brook
you would
https://www.wowhead.com/dressing-room#aszz0zJ8z9MkVkMM9m8aM287VkCy87VWaU808CJT87cRrL808CJC808STO87MiHp87m have a mog to go with it, you animal
narrow stream
Vulpera have a great racial for tanking
Nose for trouble is a solid 8+ percent of my healing lol
They're a great PvE race imo
keen canopy
What spell is it that you can reflect in UR that absolutely demolishes Death Speakers?
SCratch that- must be the DoT
sharp night
wicked frenzy
rugged sentinel
@mortal brook thats horrendous lmao
mortal brook
Then it is fitting for a goblin
icy harness
Have you not seen Steve's profile pic
mortal brook
An excellent mog for excellent dorfs
main vault
Im waiting for Steve to show up in an Asmongold mog contest and win
icy harness
prot tank who tanked first boss on ToS together
while I died to the aoe lighting
since they were tanked together and I got blown into it
💀
sick sentinel
another weird person i had in a run
mortal brook
fixed to avoid brigading/witchhunting*
mortal brook
^.~
bold plover
what
kind spindle
Is the Mechagon trinket with the red overclock card worth using over a 465 Block with socket or 470 ritual bandage? Doing keys in the 15-18 range if it matters.
Is the Mechagon trinket with the red overclock card worth using over a 465 Block with socket or 470 ritual bandage? Doing keys in the 15-18 range if it matters.
rocky garnet
That guy had said the 3100 io tank didn’t know how to tank temple boss
sick sentinel
👍
left hatch
i mean ritual bandage is garbage
so technically yes
but the ilvl of mechagon trinket makes it drop off compared to other things like Vita, scale, rezan, LPS
sick sentinel
what essences
for visions
i have masked it like 20 times but
i just feel like its bad because my essences are wrong
karmic shadow
What trinkets should i aim for in M+? mainly 13-18s for echo farming
steel ravine
Expedient or Vers? I was full haste but as I'm doing 20s now, I feel vers might be better
warm plinth
Full expedient is really never the play. If you're doing keys high enough to need vers, you run vers. If you're not, you run TD with maybe an expedient filler (though I'd prefer IT1 x2 over Expedient if it'll fit)
left hatch
23/24+
if you get one shot despite playing next to perfectly
until that point haste is a better defensive stat
(and even at that point haste is technically a more efficient defensive stat since versa takes 86 per .5% dr, you just literally need it to live through some pulls)
basically if you're questioning 'hmm versa might be better' its not
you'll know when you get to poitns where you're like .... "theres literally nothing i could have done to prevent that death"
and if you're not in keys that high, that doesn't happen
high gale
IT1 x2 is hilarious....TClap every global
icy harness
yep
main shoal
hey should i get 1 innefable before the vendor resets?
sweet summit
Its IT2 atm iirc, the worse version
main shoal
so no?
warm plinth
correct, you should not buy IT2
main shoal
thanks gonna wait for IT1
icy harness
@sweet summit why up so early 
sweet summit
Because i work
icy harness
sweet summit
mortal brook
icy harness
what's a good inspect addon that isn't dejacharstats
amber siren
tiny inspect?
icy harness
ill see
vital stratus
I got an IT 2 on a ring - I assume just keep it for now? Was saving for TD 3 as my main focus
It 2 isn’t total trash, right?
feral onyx
is there some minimum level of versatility u should aim for even for lower keys ( ~ 15 )
distant crystal
nah
feral onyx
i feel a bit squichy, like rezan's dot hurts like hell
perhaps im just low ilvl
465 on +17
shouldnt be a problem though ?
distant crystal
a bunch of vers might save ya a few seconds
feral onyx
oke
left hatch
you don't wanna drop SB off to do that
cause his AA's will chomp you if you drop it to keep up ip
a lot of that fight on high tyrannical is communicating with your healer to, like Vince said, cycle cd's and externals
distant crystal
for some reason dorf racial won't remove that bleed either 😠
strong forum
The reason is 'it'd make the boss even more trivial than it already is'
distant crystal
i'll trivialize your face!
strong forum
done
orchid frigate
icy harness
sweet summit
still pagoda
feral onyx
how do u survive ingestion on second boss in UR? spell deflect + ignore pain ?
nova idol
You can move out of range of it
feral onyx
he just follows me
feral onyx
the cast is like instant though?=
nova idol
He turns toward you if you try to sidestep but you can strafe or run back up the hill
feral onyx
i tried he just followed me
nova idol
As in strafe to move backwards sorry
marble cipher
sidestep doesn't work, cause he follows
but, turn your char 45 degrees and strafe, so you're basically walking backwards at full movement speed
(or leap backwards)
feral onyx
thx
marble cipher
spell reflect will help mitigate it as well obviously, if you know you won't be getting out in time
strange tide
As long as you only heroic leap when he does indigestion then leap is up for every cast
sweet summit
@feral onyx as the cast is about to happen, just backpeddle. If you dont get corruption slowed youre safe
Idk what you want to reflect on rezan, you can zerk rage the fear at least
marble cipher
(I'm assuming he means the bleed, he might mean something else indeed)
halcyon coyote
we mention here a lot that full vers is only required when you get oneshot at high key levels. however wouldn't it also make you unkillable on low keys?
hallow phoenix
You're already unkillable in low keys unless you make big mistakes, and vers won't save you from big mistakes either
halcyon coyote
makes sense. im going for full td next friday
but i was wondering if i made a mistake by not buying vers
doing 15s atm
looking to do 17s next week
hallow phoenix
I do 10-30k less DPS in my vers setup than my TD setup, and feel just as tanky in both until around 23s
sweet hearth
i'd TD and stack haste
marble cipher
with TD you embrace the mindset of BfA, rng all around
Can't have none of that consistency (vers)!! 😄
sweet hearth
but at low keys the 60k dps is nice
hallow phoenix
My take on haste vs vers is overall survivability vs. being able to survive a scary window of unavoidable damage
marble cipher
I bought some vers regardless, I have full TD+IT setup already and echoes to spare, who knows when I'd use it
¯_(ツ)_/¯
hallow phoenix
Over the course of a key haste will give you more cooldowns, more rage, generally more everything. So over a longer pull or a window of a minute+ haste is a clear winner
sweet hearth
yeah you can even start building your vers set if you have the spare echoes you wanna burn
hallow phoenix
Vers becomes better when you need to survive a scary pull when you have CDs up
halcyon coyote
so
lets say
my goal is to pull the entirety of courtyard in waycrest manor
is haste the way to go?
if im not oneshot
sweet summit
You will need a lot of kicks, but haste will do the trick
sweet summit
Nothing there is scary, unless the matron gets soul fetish stacks
hallow phoenix
Limiting factor on pulls eventually becomes how much damage your party takes, not how much you take
sweet summit
hallow phoenix
sweet summit
All of it ontop of boss
sweet hearth
it's efficient
hallow phoenix
Boss just ensures you're efficient with your blocks during trash
Seems like a legit pull
marble cipher
lol
sweet summit
Actually true
marble cipher
well, that's not wrong indeed
hallow phoenix
Speaking of vers sets though I finally got the last piece for mine, barring good rng from weekly cache
Vers haste gloves from FH were ever elusive
sweet summit
Spicy
marble cipher
you'd always want Vers > haste right, not really haste > vers items?
sweet hearth
my 5 briny barnacles 475 tells me it's not rng, blizz just hates me
marble cipher
And, would you drop ilvl for higher vers, or still stay 475 as long as there's vers on it?
sweet summit
So thats like 20-22% haste ish
marble cipher
makes sense
sweet summit
You drop ilvl for more vers
sweet summit
Only item without vers is going to be my weapon
marble cipher
I'd have to start looking what items I have in my bags tbf, don't even know if I have enough stuff to put the 5 contaminents on that I bought 🤣
cyan shore
@sweet summit Can I drop haste for vers as long as I keep my base haste around 20%?
hallow phoenix
50% vers without procs
sweet summit
50% unbuffed?
hallow phoenix
Yeah
onyx vessel
hallow phoenix
Just vers% and gear
sweet summit
Wtf thats the same as i have
marble cipher
man, I'm only at 40% on my monk, but, lacking three pieces that actually have vers
sweet hearth
i was looking last night and nerftank has 55% vers
sweet summit
Im still missing like 6 sockets because i am lazy
onyx vessel
im at 18%
hallow phoenix
Missing 2 sockets
onyx vessel
cyan shore
You guys are speaking in the context of keys, what about progressing Nya mythic?
marble cipher
TD
cyan shore
I'm just trying to gear enough to be able to progress that
hallow phoenix
Tempted to run jes howler...
sweet summit
In raid go full td
hallow phoenix
Full TD for raids
onyx vessel
afk
sweet hearth
i've been too scared to try and tank a raid xD
sweet summit
Alch stone+vita/shell tusks
cyan shore
But what about secondaries from pieces? What should I be prioritizing for the raid?
sweet summit
The real gamer play
onyx vessel
just taunt on 2 and dont die
hallow phoenix
Yeah that's what I'm using now
sweet summit
Just sim and go big dam comrade
onyx vessel
hallow phoenix
But jes would be like 2800 vers on use
cyan shore
so survivability shouldn't be an issue? I'm aroudn 470 ilvl
onyx vessel
it can be but most of the time it isnt your fault
sweet summit
I guess it also adds some damage tbf
hallow phoenix
Let me find a use for moon dog trinket :(
sweet summit
Moon dog 😂
cyan shore
Very hard to get clapped from straight melees if you've got a clue what you're doing tbf XD
sweet hearth
raiding with vita / rezans is still decent? would be heroic tbf for now ^-^
onyx vessel
yes
sweet summit
Ya
cyan shore
Do you guys sim patchwerk then?
sweet summit
Ya
cyan shore
I'm running 3x bastion, do I still go crucible > vision?
sweet summit
Cof/vop major
Cns+null+vop/void/something i guess
onyx vessel
vision if you are a pussy or lazy
sweet summit
Cof will always be more st damage then vision afaik
onyx vessel
like me
sweet hearth
i've only played prot with VoP so far, really like the extra avatar lol
mainly cause of lazy
onyx vessel
minor is always on for prot
cyan shore
Cool, any replacement for CnS? Mine is still 2 resets away from rank 3
onyx vessel
vop minor is big
onyx vessel
lucid?
cyan shore
I've been running lucid
hallow phoenix
Sphere will have bad uptime most bosses
hallow phoenix
Just sim what you have
sweet summit
Oh yea true
hallow phoenix
I'm guessing cns 2 will beat everything but VoP and null minor
onyx vessel
always up
onyx vessel
cyan shore
And it's pretty good
hallow phoenix
Haste 
onyx vessel
lucid and iris carry arms tbh
cyan shore
Exp 3 and ToM carry arms XD
sweet summit
In m+ people swap out cns
sweet summit
The run like bote+lucid+void/breath+iris iirc
onyx vessel
never played arms much
hallow phoenix
Bote > lucid major in m+ unless you can get two lucids per boss
Is what I've read
cyan shore
You're correct Tusks
And your 2nd Lucid needs to overlap CS + ToM in the Execute window
Otherwise you're still better off with BOTE
onyx vessel
onyx vessel
isnt fury better for m+
cyan shore
Yup, ToM up before BS
If you're going to get the full benefit ofc, a lot of arms is eyeballing. If you'r egonna BOTE and have the buff up but the mobs dead, then do it a bit earlier
hallow phoenix
Arms and fury are comparable in m+
onyx vessel
no self sustain tho
cyan shore
Arms is less forgiving and really sucks when things just melt
hallow phoenix
Healers job
still pagoda
Arms is less forgiving and really sucks when things just melt
@cyan shore
Just like fire mage
:D
hallow phoenix
Less
cyan shore
That's.......less forgiving
hallow phoenix
Yes that's less forgiving to arms
Or just pop into dstance for every single mechanic that ever threatens you
And laugh in perma 20%DR
cyan shore
It definitely helps but it gimps your damage, and you'll still need to be topped off anyway
cyan shore
Whereas fury pretty much has 10% DR 100% uptime almost XD
hallow phoenix
Yeah things aren't threatening in low keys
I forgot about fury DR tbh
And higher health pool
onyx vessel
fury also has godlike sustain in keys
get a fat dot stack
heal like a champ
ive pushed out 60k hps facetanking keys when shit tank dies/cant hold threat
hallow phoenix
The sustain is less important than e.g. not getting one shot by first boss FH
sweet summit
First boss is just LoS
Healer/ranged mechanic 📈
strong forum
Legion fury was better, they took 30% more dmg while enraged 🙃 but they had the heal to balance it out
hallow phoenix
Wouldn't it be better dps-wise to just pop into dstance
onyx vessel
dropped to 15% with talent
hallow phoenix
Than to lose uptime losing
sweet summit
No you can hit the boss while being los of his shot
hallow phoenix
Oh I thought only rogues could
onyx vessel
look at the 28 freehold
hallow phoenix
I have good news to share with my dh
sweet summit
Na anyone can
onyx vessel
rogue just afk attacking
sweet summit
Just need the gnome toy thing
strong forum
Every melee can do the Los thingy
You can also opt to hide behind the Los for every shot, then peak back out again
strong forum
Dhs are recommended to use noggenfogger or toys that make you small
Cuz meta gives you a massive hitbox
sweet summit
Gnome 📈
onyx vessel
or just play huntard or rogue
hallow phoenix
Is there a reason for tanks to use that gnome toy? I see naowh (mighta been nerf) using it a lot
strong forum
Smaller hitbox
sweet summit
Easier to manage camera angles and shit personally
onyx vessel
seems op
strong forum
I'm vulpera so it doesn't matter to me
strong forum
Yikes
hallow phoenix
Is there an example of a pull or fight going better with a smaller hitbox or is it solely camera stuff
strong forum
Camera + easier to make out if you dodge a swirly/los
hallow phoenix
Thank god
onyx vessel
dodging as tauren
hallow phoenix
I hate gnomes
onyx vessel
sweet summit
:(
strong forum
Well your hitbox literally is smaller.
hallow phoenix
hallow phoenix
Tauren used to have a larger melee attack range than other races in vanilla
Due to larger hitbox
Not sure if that's still the case
amber siren
definitely still isn't the case
manic perch
@sweet summit why reflect Cyclone Strike?
sweet summit
More damage
manic perch
if you reflect jolt but she has the shield wont that one shot you?
shadow bone
anyone got tips for rixxa on a 21+ Tyrannical ML
i spend all my time generating rage to keep ignore pain up, and reflect when i can, is that as much as i can do/
sweet summit
Reflect the chemical burn
manic perch
and shieldwall and pray healer can keep up
sweet summit
Not just on cd
shadow bone
yea, im only reflecting the chemical burn
sweet summit
Other than that just pray the healer knows whats comming
shadow bone
fuck feels bad
sweet summit
And orepare to cry
sweet summit
Yeah
shadow bone
literally just keep myself alive on 22 ml zz
shadow bone
feels like it, but the bigboys still run td and im just wondering maybe i'm missing something
sweet summit
Communication is key
Dont overlap cds
Rotate them
Know when she is casting
Keep an eye on IP absorb amount
hallow phoenix
I open that fight with LS because my healer usually needs some time to get into the thick of it
shadow bone
yea i go with avatar+nzoth trinket
hallow phoenix
Running lucid in ML is good too
Other than that just have a plan for each chemical burn
shadow bone
we run with a lock so it's not even that bad, maybe my rage generation is dogshit
gotta hit more shield slams
hallow phoenix
My group either dispels me or I reflect it, leaving my actual CDs for boss "autos"
sweet summit
Oh shit locks can imp dispell that cant they
hallow phoenix
ML is a warlocks paradise
hallow phoenix
Priest can mass every other chemical burn too I believe
Effectively the same as imp dispel
sweet summit
Yeah i think so
manic perch
what toy is it they use to make them smaller?
jolly thistle
Chemical burn goes to the nearest 2 targets. You can plan who’s getting it and just immune every second set when reflect isn’t up. It can be vanished/ shadowmelded as well but that needs really good timing
sick sentinel
i played rogue main from late vanilla to cata and paladin from launch to when first account got hacked
so i know alll about immunities and stealth and that, but too many people just don't understand stealth for example
that as a hunter/rogue, i can FD/vanish a group i accidently aggroed away from main group, and you don't have to run in to attack it to save me
orchid frigate
wtf? i wanted to tag someone in a photo and mia khalifa comes up as auto suggest
sweet summit
orchid frigate
must be that she also is a wow player
modern brook
Must be.
main vault
Nothing to do with your search history
coral marsh
how much are corruptions worth in itemlevel?
should i drop itemlevel for corruption?
and if how much?
main vault
Depends which
coral marsh
for example i have 420 boots with 12 % increased crit and 445 boots without corrupt
coral marsh
what is hod?
coral marsh
echoing void 425 vs 445 nothing?
coral marsh
is there an addon that shows the name of corruptions that are on your items?
sweet summit
corruption tooltips
sharp lotus
Is TD in tol dagor still suicide?
stiff oracle
what?
sharp lotus
I heard having TD in tol dagor is basically griefing because you will pull through walls like crazy
stiff oracle
just control where you face and you wont pull a thing
bleak shoal
You skip most of the annoying parts anyway
sharp lotus
What annoying parts? I used to love that place, me and my groups demon hunter would have a game where I would try to kill him with the cannons.
strong forum
Anything but cannons is the annoying part
loud shoal
there are a lot of routes where you want the stuff in cages so having TD and facing them actually makes the rogue not have to open the cage which is nice
strong forum
Rogues are a myth
loud shoal
so your blacksmith
frosty scarab
or inscription 😛
strong forum
I'm JC, can do same
sharp lotus
can jc open in combat too?
sharp lotus
go on
strong forum
Cuz it's from legion
loud shoal
I'm trying to decide whether or not to drop BS for alch trinket... the problem is my arms set uses two BS pieces =X
loud shoal
it's insane if you are vers stackign
sweet summit
pot value, good str proc
stiff oracle
the trinket itself gives 400vers?
strong forum
240 base
loud shoal
it's insane for vers stacking..ie running vers 3s everywhere
strong forum
Or smth
loud shoal
ya
strong forum
Idk I pref JC + engi
380 haste + 200 versa ring is kinda juicy aswell
Which I could turn into a 380 vers + 200 haste ring but cba
sharp lotus
yeah but then you wouldnt have the uber spinner to waste a bag slot
strong forum
what in the who
sharp lotus
i dont know why i carry this thing around still
loud shoal
there are some good haste vers rings out there already tho
coral marsh
is prot still the best mythic+ tank?
sharp lotus
nvm misread
coral marsh
which key should i apply for with 450 itemlevel, taking into account tanks are desired?
loud shoal
prot's weakness is just magic dmg, but there isn't anything that's so bad it trumps all the good, except zul but that's just kite city
sweet summit
you can tank 15s as 450
sharp lotus
You should try to do junkyards right?
grand drum
@sweet summit sadly the other prot (bdk main) in our guild probably cant tank 10s. He doesnt press shield block at all
sweet summit
grand drum
I checked our raid logs, 2 casts per fight average
mortal brook
I know tanks without arms that can press shield block. what's his deficiency?
sweet summit
impressive
strong forum
An alt of us tanked a +15 tos this week with 420 ilvl :)
But yeh with 450 you should be fine in 15s with regular people
radiant path
What's better, the tank bandage trinket from KR or a stat corruption like the Waycrest one that gives crit?
loud shoal
good luck getting invited to 15s with that ilvl though
sharp lotus
^
grand drum
Shield block uptime
strange tide
SB tracker
radiant path
Thanks, Nomeratur! Are the stat corruptions even better than the N'Zoth trinket?
loud shoal
it's all preference menu, def want a kick tracker and a cd tracker
sharp lotus
Shield block tracker and interrupt cds of party
strong forum
No, nae
radiant path
Ok, so I should still do N'Zoth every week trying to get it. Thanks!
strong forum
Nzoth trinket gets absolutely broken the higher you get in key levels
grand drum
Its a super ignore pain every minute
radiant path
Isn't the Bandange trinket reeeeaaaally close to that though? It has a 30 second cd higher, but its around the same damage absorbed, right?
loud shoal
no
sharp lotus
I thought that trinket was trash
loud shoal
the nzoth trinket also reduces dmg you take while the shield is active
grand drum
No, nzoth trinket is like 1M absorb because of how it works i believe
loud shoal
by 85% or soemthing
radiant path
Thats insane
strong forum
No it's not 1mil, it's still 400-500k in inside Nya
However you can pair it with other defensives
loud shoal
Reduce the damage you take by 80% for 8 sec until your Psychic Shell has taken 185744 total damage. (1 Min Cooldown)
radiant path
Thats the Normal one, right?
loud shoal
that's the mythic version
strong forum
If you pair the trinket with other CDs, it makes you almost immune to damage
radiant path
Heroic is like 230k or something
loud shoal
o yea that's normal
strong forum
Heroic is 210kish
radiant path
I bet the Normal is still better than the 260 trinket I have on
strong forum
Obv
sharp lotus
sim it
strong forum
Can't sim defensively
sharp lotus
we will never know then
strong forum
Na you just need to use brain / math
radiant path
Alright. well... Looks like I'll be entering the Pug Zone twice again this week 😦
sharp lotus
yeah im being facetious
radiant path
Wait, use our brains? Thats asking too much.
strong forum
Should roll dps then, there you just have to sim :p
radiant path
You've just lost all credibility. I'm spamming KR for the bandage trinket now.
Asking me to use my brain. Pfft
Real talk though, thanks for the advice! Time to get back to work haha
ripe shale
Bandage is still an alternative if you don't do raids 🤷♂️
still pagoda
^
modern brook
Ppl fish for bandages now?
still pagoda
no
mortal brook
and not roll on a geti? heck nah
still pagoda
just that nzoth is a meme as a boss and can be easily farmed
daring light
anyone have a macro for a heroic throw mouse over?
radiant path
Easily farmed by guilds... People that don't have guilds that raid have to pug. And pugging sucks asssss
strong forum
Pugging Is aight
marble cipher
cast [@mouse] Heroic Throw something like that (might be 'mouseover')
radiant path
I've had to pug every week on my hunter and its at least 5 hours a week just on Heroic N'zoth
Multiple disbands because people don't understand it still
😦
Maybe as a tank, it won't be as bad since a big reason people leave is because tank pathing on N'Zoth can screw up the entire raid
still pagoda
cast [@mouse] Heroic Throwsomething like that (might be 'mouseover')
@marble cipher
@sick sentineluseover it is
sharp lotus
More often than not its the DPS killing the tentacles before they are in range to apply the debuff in my experience in heroic.
radiant path
I've seen a lot of both. But there have been soooo many tanks that get in because they know if they sign up as tank spec, they'll probably get in
So they don't know what they're doing haha
sharp lotus
word
daring light
thanks lads it worked
sweet summit
💦
sharp lotus
Its whatever, I am no prize myself
Except for the people who get MCed because they dont use the neck. Those people I get frustrated with
grand drum
or people who stand on people with paranoia
chrome lantern
Hey, im new here. Read the discussion of the go to corruptions yestersay. But not sure if im right.
So you go for 1x it1, 2x TD1 and 1x TD3?
I also saw 2x it1 and rest on versa
radiant path
You can also do 2x IT1 and rest on TD of some sort.
modern brook
The have an in depth discussion on corruption based on content
daring light
or go IT1x2 and stack verse and make your healer love you
while you clap your life away
mellow patio
healer loving you is beta
modern brook
facts
modern brook
that dumb bitch knew what they were doing when they picked healer
mellow patio
facts
modern brook
although thats literally me hawgz LOL i play resto druid cause its easier feral