Or leap if you notice at the last moment. 👀
#protection
ionic fern
last mason
Like backpeddle or strafe at a 90 degree angle
ionic fern
Just don't turn him in any way or you'll gimp your DPS'ers.
I usually just backpeddle
last mason
How early do you need to do it
ionic fern
Be at max distance
See cast coming in ~1-2 seconds
Start backpeddaling
ggwp.
tame garden
backpeddal 
royal fern
@sick sentinel it's a pretty pogger woggers emote chief but you really can't accurately sim M+
ionic fern
What do you mean?
tame garden
he follows you while he melees
last mason
Like is max distance still in melee range
tame garden
but he stops moving while he casts his puke
ionic fern
Under Max Distance i mean max distance you can still hit him.
last mason
Oh ok
And when you’re there you consistently have enough time once you see the cast start?
ionic fern
IDeally like a second before.
tame garden
watch your boss timers
ionic fern
The reason why you can't sim for m+ is the same reason we can't tell you what the best essence is @royal fern .
Too many variables.
We don't know the dungeon/mob group size/your route/your pull size etc so it's hard to say.
last mason
Gotcha, also is aegis the play in underrot this week or no, I had it on but I felt like raging bloodswarmers were inhibiting my big pulls
ionic fern
In general VoP/Lucid are the go-to's.
VoP if you wanna be lazy, Lucid if you want to have more control.
royal fern
I'd argue that with the limited pool of offensive tank essences it's likely there'd be one that pulls ahead for pure damage
tame garden
bring a soothe this week 
ionic fern
In that case you can sim yourself for AoE.
Patchwerk-no lust - 10 enemies-1-1.30 (or higher) minutes depending on your key level.
last mason
Also is aegis minor worth still if you’re not vers stacking
royal fern
Ok thanks mwahi
obtuse yoke
do y'all have any plater profiles you use for m+?
preferably one that changes color when I have threat, maybe shows explosives easily, etc
exotic spoke
CnS is a better option than aegis for minor @last mason
last mason
I have cns as well already on
Was aegis, cns, and warden
Was debating between aegis and lucid minor
hallow phoenix
lucid for sure
last mason
How is sphere this week also, to help kite raging mobs, or is it not necessary
upper violet
Its nice
hallow phoenix
I run sphere minor more than lucid minor tbh
sullen valve
mwahi
sweet summit
:mwahi:
ionic fern
😦
warm plinth
:mwahi:
digital sluice
wet fable
Anima of Life and Death (R3) good for spamming low keys (<10)?
more meat on the TD, and a nice explosion for trash packs
upper violet
if you spam low keys and pull big take ageis for sure
sick sentinel
Anima major is a str8 meme
digital sluice
Well
I am using cause, i dont have any other anima powers, yet.
It isnt that bad?
still pagoda
But it requires a bit of setup with with big pulls
digital sluice
🤔
still pagoda
Just pull big when you're using aegis minor
upper violet
digital sluice
sweet summit
ionic fern
What the fudge is that
sweet summit
Some dark forbidden technology
undone sun
wet fable
does the dungeon change if you run out of the key?
sand relic
so my tank gear is shit im still in all 450 azerite and i dont raid much on this toon. i have residum to get vendor
what peice should i go for first
ionic fern
@wet fable what do you mean "change"?
sand relic
whats the hardest piece to get from raid
wet fable
become another dungon with a lower key level 😛
hushed flicker
you have to finish the dung to have another dungeon with lower key
sand relic
@sweet summit so rolling for helm is my best choice
If all my azerite is 450
how many good helms are there
is the helm from vendor bis for raid and m+
casue raidbots wants me to go shoulders but shoulders are easy to get fromr aid right
tawdry dirge
morning ,.. why do the opt prots go for versa?
i always thought haste is most important
ionic fern
tawdry dirge
ahh thanks
ionic fern
475
sand relic
and u think helmm is best choice
what raid bosses drop bis ?
for azerite
for m+ and raid tanking
hallow phoenix
Skitra shoulders and vex chest are bis by ilvl (tied with a few residuum pieces)
ionic fern
Skitra,Vex,Nzoth,Carap
hallow phoenix
Cara and nzoth pieces bis because 490 ilvl
hallow phoenix
Yes
sand relic
what traits
sweet summit
BfI+Rezans fury
sand relic
i dont think its good for arms ro fury either i think its complete shit
i have 3k left should i go for a 460 now to replace my 450s
hallow phoenix
It's a good raid parse piece
sand relic
with my last 3k
sweet summit
OP and IV
ionic fern
No.
sweet summit
Not bad
sweet summit
Ye save for 475
sand relic
so use bfl rezan fury OP and IV for m+ and raid
is it bad i only have 2 bastion now tho and 1 dc ?
sand relic
IV is better than gemhide
sand relic
its the bleed
ionic fern
Bleed.
copper basin
Bit stuck for trinkets to use. I have a 465: Rezan, Gore-crusted, Jes, Marektha fang and modular plating.
Not sure what would be the best combo to use
sand relic
what trinkets should i grind from dungeons since right now i only have mchimbas and merakaths fang thats all i got right now
sand relic
where u get those
sweet summit
Atal and waycrest
copper basin
Cheers ros
ionic fern
Incite the Pack @sweet summit
sand relic
was that azerite piece i linked u all good for fury or arms at all
sweet summit
Yes thank you
sand relic
prolly not right since my 450 has tom and cshb?
sand relic
anything good from KR dungeon
copper basin
Getti
sand relic
i cant decide what to do my gear is complete shit
sweet summit
The mount
sand relic
i went for helm even said to go shoulders https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tZMgML77c2RkSdZmP1nYAh
My gear is trash
whats best way to sim prot m+
thats how i did it
sweet summit
Skitra shoulders mate, go get em
sand relic
should i get soem corruptions or still upgrade my essences
since thats all, i have
i have 9500 echoes
sweet summit
Nah just farm vop r3
Id save for twilight dev idk
Or buy one or two ineffable rank 1
sand relic
if i get 1-2 IT what oiece u recommend i put it on
sweet summit
465/470/475 gear with haste on
sand relic
my cloak is only rank 6 im trying to get it higher but its so borring since this is my 5-6th alt lol all my other toons are maxed at 475+ with good gear lol
so our best stats are haste vers ?
sick sentinel
warr is super chill tho to do the runs, and to get the cloak upgrades, you have to do so little
sweet summit
Ilvl>haste>crit for m+, day
sweet summit
Only 1
sweet summit
Press avatar
sand relic
avatar lets u spam clap ?
sweet summit
Every other gcd yes
sand relic
any other tips or tricks for rotation ?]
sweet summit
Nothing thats not covered in the guide
sick sentinel
thats how u sim it, because dungeons are like that all the time 😛
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uLF4FiAdEbPV1Gp44dDBEV
sand relic
@sweet summit ok and whats the best way to sim for resisum vendor dslice or pw 5 boss 1 min
ionic fern
Do you just want to know the best pieces?
Chest:
Raid ,Vexiona - Breastplate of Twilight Decimation
Vendor - Ashvane Warden's Cuirass
Vendor - Mechanized Plate Chasse
Shoulders:
Raid, Skitra - Writhing Spaulders of Madness
Raid, Carapace - Pauldrons of Infinite Darkness (ilvl)
Vendor - Tank Buster Pauldrons
Vendor - Kraken Shell Pauldrons
Head:
Raid, Ilgy - Second Sight Helm
Raid, N'zoth - Greathelm of Phantasmic Reality (ilvl)
Vendor - Helm of Abyssal Malevolence
Engineering - Engineer goggles
undone sun
ionic fern
sweet summit
@ionic fern apogee is on vendor? Thought that was a hardmode only drop
sick sentinel
it shouldn't be on the vendor
sweet summit
Yeah
ionic fern
Oh,my bad then on that.
sweet summit
Only 430 
ionic fern
Edited.👍
undone sun
(edited)
sick sentinel
and comparatively with what azerite pieces we have now. Kraken is kinda mediocre; it's not bad but just saying
since your list is the "best pieces"
sweet summit
BoM+MS+UF, how is that mediocre?
sick sentinel
No impassive, no OP, Crit is overvalued in mythic and probably in raid too
MS is proc based, rng
You don't want that this season
sweet summit
Crit is overvalued in what way? Just the fact that parry also is rng?
The argument you made against MS could also be made against OP, so i dont get that
hidden plaza
so if I got 475 nzoth helm 480 tank buster shoulders and 480 ashvane chest with only vendor as upgrade option do i go abyssal helm i have enough to purchase specific
sweet summit
Yeah
ionic fern
The list was to give an idea for people of what pieces are actually good, not to give 1 exact "bis" item.
You can't choose which items you get hence the multiple options from various sources.
robust pulsar
Huuum Ilgy shield 460 vs G0-4W4Y 465 with socket... (I'd put a socket on the 460), which would you pick?
sweet summit
Ilvl
robust pulsar
For a versa focused build
robust pulsar
I don't have it on my server
strong forum
F
sweet summit
Loot the atal shield in weekly box
robust pulsar
Yeah, been searching for it, last one I saw was sold for 1M
ionic fern
Also, how on earth is crit overvalued?
Most people don't do content high enough where going for consistency actually matters.
It'll still be one of the best defensive stats for overall damage mitigation in physical damage scenarios.
As you go higher and higher you want more consistency, no argument there.
copper basin
Ineffible truth anygood for prot? R1
ionic fern
There's nothing wrong with Kraken as it's still one of the better Vendor shoulder pieces you can get.
Yes it is good @copper basin
hushed flicker
check the latest pin messages about corruptions
copper basin
Oh cheers both
vagrant rivet
Hey guys... I currently have a shield (475) with crit + mastery. The auction house has the 460 shield with versatile III on it. If i'd like to go on a full versa build, would it be worth switching to a 460 shield?
imho the ilvl on the shield is quite important
sweet summit
Dont buy a 460 if you have a 475
Youre gonna shoot yourself in the leg by doing that
vagrant rivet
i'd wait for a 475, but on my server this is really rare
vagrant rivet
it is
sweet summit
Well its not worth dropping ilvl on shields for 100 more vers
vagrant rivet
we're currently progressing ilgynoth mythic, but my warrior is an alt, so it will take months until i can get to ilgy mythic with him
so yes, as i assumed then .. either buy the 475 from the AH, or just hope for the weekly chest and keep mine until then
strong forum
Yup
queen mantle
would u guys run overwhelming power or unstable flames?
overwhelming power seems kinda crap as a tank
copper basin
it's still good despite losing stats
azure magnet
You guys recommend any streamers to watch for someone starting out as prot warr (mainly for M+)? I could do with some UI inspiration and perhaps see what/if any macros they use
sweet summit
Me :^)
azure magnet
Link me 🙂
strange tide
Excellent 😂
sweet summit
😂
strange tide
Are there any good macros I’m missing out on? I just have stormbolt and pummel on mouseover macro
And taunt
sweet summit
/cancelaura bop
orchid anvil
^^
icy harness
wasn't it 8?
sweet summit
Idk
icy harness
😳
strange tide
Ahh yea that bop one is good, have that set up with a sounder for when I get bop buff
ripe shale
its 6
azure magnet
So no stream recommendations then 😦
sweet summit
Close
sick sentinel
all the guides say vision is best major for M+ yet no tanks use it?
sweet summit
icy harness
what do you mean no tanks use it
amber siren
radsrad and nerftank are the two i watch p often @azure magnet
ionic fern
Top tanks are like 1% of the population tho. 😂
sweet summit
Tru
robust pulsar
Well, i've been really enjoying playing with CnS major
queen mantle
is urchin worth using? or does ignore pain reduce its value?
icy harness
I'd assume CnS major is for kiting
sweet summit
Well technically ip does
icy harness
Femclap uses VoP
sweet summit
Its for vers vynnir
robust pulsar
I use it for the versa, yeah
icy harness
oh really?
crude oak
hey i was wondering i am having troubles creating a macro for intercept i want to be able to mouseover my partyframes to intercept them but i also want it to be able to charge my target without having to mouseover it is that possible?
robust pulsar
And kiting is a plus
icy harness
but the vers only comes from being stunned
yeah?
oh nevermind
you mean the cc effect
robust pulsar
Avatar > TC a group of adds and they cant touch you
sweet summit
Yeah
robust pulsar
Stuns, interrupts, general dps
sweet summit
@crude oak a normal mouseover macro works
robust pulsar
You can be almost all time at 8 stacks
sweet summit
[Help,nodead]
queen mantle
does the thunderclap root apply the double vers on strife?
sweet summit
Ye
vagrant rivet
That's why you could consider playing > 40 cor
icy harness
thunderclap is a 4s cd
and the double vers is 5s
so you have constant double vers?
vagrant rivet
well on trash yes
queen mantle
yea if grand delusion spawns u can basically root it permanantly too during IT/avatar
vagrant rivet
on bosses without adds you need the > 40 corruption add
icy harness
i'd say run Crackling Thunder with that too
severe swallow
i'm planning on running 20-21 m+ dungeons, i have 2x IT r1, how much TD should i get
vagrant rivet
1 x TD 3 + 2 x Expedient III or Versa, as you prefer
vagrant rivet
I think that's totally as you prefer
Expedient deals dps + is defensive. TD is only dps
strong forum
In 20/21 I'd defo run TD5 + IT2
amber siren
exp dps isnt even close to TD
severe swallow
ye i was thinking TD5 + two IT r1s
because i am only going to play prot to boost for gold rather than push higher
vagrant rivet
@amber siren ofc its not, but its also defensive value
amber siren
right, but if youre going for defensive value, you'd be better off actually building for it
expedient instead of TD is just half assing both ends
vagrant rivet
best answer is probably: play as you like 🙂
vagrant rivet
and enjoy TD with TD ^^
i am planning to go for a build without TD, as i also don't use IS on my dps
i just don't like the style of these corruptions
amber siren
ok
sweet summit
Doesnt make them bad tho
vagrant rivet
ofc not, they're probably the best
ionic fern
I mean, you can take TD as defensive also since the damage it does reduced the damage you take due to the enemies being alive not as long.
😂
upper violet
real
sweet summit
😳
tame garden
😳
stiff oracle
Wew
copper basin
Filthy Transfusion or Iron fortress
stiff oracle
If
sweet summit
IF
stiff oracle
1st
sweet summit
2nd
sweet summit
stiff oracle
😂
orchid frigate
bah depleted twice in freehold today. no one that wants to bait poop and sharks
wet fable
@orchid frigate how do you bait it?
sweet summit
bait what
the poop or the shark
poop is just closest target to the bird
shark baiting is just dragging him away from melee and dragging him into red shit to keep him occupied
orchid frigate
haha
sweet summit
they're all males
ive checked
tame garden
😳
sweet summit
😳
orchid frigate
not gonna bother invite rogues either since they dont know how to start the pig thing
tame garden
Talking to an npc is hard
orchid frigate
my favorite thing of todays FH runs is "pull all at start otherwise youre a pussy!"
i proceed to pull all
and we die due to explosives
sweet summit
its true tho
orchid frigate
well you know pugs
orchid frigate
😮
sweet summit
SS oneshots them, deva once or twice and its dead
if you get a VR proc u can use that too
tame garden
👨🌾
sudden gazelle
hey guys
I'm looking to start tanking
and I was wondering if prot warrior was a good spec to start on
stiff oracle
Sure
sudden gazelle
Anything important that I hsould know?
stiff oracle
Everything in the pins and #268491842637660160
sudden gazelle
alright
stiff oracle
strong forum
If you're not experienced with the game or tanking in general prot war can be alot to take in at first
bold plover
but it is one of if not the best tank to not take damage; it’s not as easy as guardian yet it’s easier than guardian if that makes sense
upper violet
once you learn it its easier than guardian
bold plover
that worded it better than I could yes
I like taking 0 damage it’s fun and can pull more (as long as it’s not magic)
novel gulch
hey guys, what was the website for checking the corruption vendor?
amber siren
novel gulch
thanks @amber siren 🙂
amber siren
steady slate
my regular m+ crew tried a TD 17 last night. it was certainly something
sweet summit
steady slate
that first boss, with the obscenely large health pool, and the tons of adds that spawn tons of explosives, and the barely visible bubbles, and the dragging effect all makes for a spicy boss
like nashville hot spicy
loud shoal
eh
steady slate
well, i got my +15 done there, so i don't have any reason to go back.
upper violet
true true
steady slate
i think the part i hate the most about td is how i see nameplates from mobs on different floors and it messes with me. it's like they made the floors too thin.
it's got some other stuff i dislike, but that's the one thing i hate most
vagrant rivet
Is the damage of reflected spells affected by Versatility ? In both ways - reduce and bonus dmg
e.g. 100k cast on me, 50% versa, therefor reduced by 25% and increased by 50% ?
steady slate
i don't know. i think that depends on where reflects happen. it makes intuitive sense that they happen before any events that would apply vers, but what makes sense for me doesn't always match blizzard
halcyon coyote
https://clips.twitch.tv/BitterStrongBillNomNom can someone explain to me how Ono did all of this damage in like 10 seconds? It didn't seem like a TD proc
loud shoal
he reflected all the spits
halcyon coyote
woah
vagrant rivet
@steady slate depending of that, 100% versa would be the break point. below 100% versa the reflect would do more dmg than the initial cast, above 100% versa it would be less
steady slate
well, what i was thinking was the reflect happens first, so there's no damage to apply vers to
halcyon coyote
@loud shoal so he stuns them mid cast, then they all recast at the same time?
loud shoal
yea he syncs them up with stun and then reflects them all
mental needle
whats the best trinket combo for prot warrior in mythic 12-15 range? i have 455 lingering psychic shell, 455 gore crusted, 460 humming dragonscale , 460 torment. i could try to get 445 vita, 460 vita hasnt dropped yet for me.
amber siren
gore and dragonscale
steady slate
i get fussed at here for using LPS, but i like it for an extra oh crap button
sweet summit
you dont have a single "oh crap" button as prot. only HP pots/stones really
steady slate
LS and SW are pretty good. sure, if your idea of an oh crap button is a pally bubble, then no, warriors have nothing
steady slate
i hit my oh shit buttons long before i see 5%
stiff oracle
Then hows it an oh shit
mental needle
thanks guys, will do that. why is the crit proc so good though ? i thought it was all about haste
steady slate
soon as it starts looking sketchy, i pop ls or sw or lps
stiff oracle
I dont go oh shit at 80%
steep wraith
Oh shit I fucked up overlapping block and last stand and wont have block up again for a while
amber siren
parry gains more value the more targets are hitting you i.e. in dungeons, and crit is very good for damage still
stiff oracle
Thats just bad play
steep wraith
It is
stiff oracle
Different views on oh shit i guess
steady slate
see, now you're going from one extreme to another. if i'm hovering below 50% and another pack wanders in because my ranged dps has a fat butt, then i'm in trouble because i know the healer is already at his limit
so i hit the wall and pray
mental needle
thanks rybie for the explanation 👍
amber siren
sounds like pugs
bold plover
had a mage leave an underot because he wouldnt time warp first boss and wouldn’t focus orbs
😂
loud shoal
mage doing orbs lolol
bold plover
Warrior was on them
But he died
So it was rogue and mage
And neither would do it;
bold plover
at least the rogue stayed and did the key;
steep bone
my tos run had lock with more damagi done to orbs than rogue
bold plover
But at the range mage wouldn’t be said “not my job” 🤪
loud shoal
I guess the assumption is that the rogue is outlaw
bold plover
Not sure if fmage is still like it was in legion; but my fmage I ran with would yell at me for not letting him kill orbs
loud shoal
fire mage has a really hard time killing orbs now
steep bone
Imagine assuming that it's not your job to do something while others cannot because they're simply dead 
loud shoal
because using fireblast on them is kinda troll
loud shoal
yea I mean if you have to hit em you have to hit em
bold plover
Not to mention dog boss in UR he just stood in charge all the times
bold plover
Thankfully it wasn’t a hard key; just an 8 so it was easy, well yeah but i didn’t have anything to get there anymore to get in range of them especially on tantrum, just. Lowly alt trying to get up 😭
steep bone
Umm doesn't bm have enrage dispel?
bold plover
beast mastery?
steep bone
yeah
bold plover
I don’t know but I know druids do
steep bone
Im pretty sure huntards had that
loud shoal
they do
bold plover
Also fun fact hibernate works on the TOS second boss snake wrap
Can even use it in guardian form which is cool
amber siren
hunters can do it if they have the correct pet
steep bone
because there was confident hunter with amazing 2,3k rio telling me that hunters doesn't have dispel pets
boosted
slate pond
its not called a dispell, most people call it soothe after the druid spell
loud shoal
well they don't have a dispel pet they have a sooth pet
steep bone
I guess everyone should understand tho
icy harness
bold of you to assume they have a brain
or a spirit beast
blocc 465 socket or jar 460
decision of a lifetime
upper violet
jar kinda weird
cold dragon
Is the mechagon recalibration red card decent for prot?
amber siren
no
cold dragon
Noted, thanks
sweet summit
blocc
onyx gale
quick question to anyone that's around
switching from devastator to booming voice, how does the rotation change? we're 5/12M and i think booming is gonna be great for vex and hivemind reclear, plus M+
solar sandal
am i supposed to be using demo and shield block separately with no overlap?
solar sandal
ok that's what i've been doing, but wasnt sure if it was "redundant" or anything
sweet summit
@onyx gale use devastate when you cant press anything else really
sweet summit
higher
onyx gale
maybe my haste is too high so i have other stuff to press a lot
let me practice more, thanks again!
strange tide
Raid members?
sweet summit
melee dps
cold dragon
I'm working on throwing together some prot gear to help out guildies with their low-ish keys (sub +15). Most of my gear is focused around arms with a fury set as well. Trying to find some good overlaps between dps gear and tanking gear. Reading through the recent chat I gather that a 475 Butcher's block would be valuable.
realized that isn't a question; where else could i find some good overlaps?
daring bay
Well, hard to have melee dps stack on you for ilgynoth
grand drum
Haste gear is good for prot and arms
cold dragon
Worth running the full haste set with 75% haste, or try to balance with some TD3 gear (from fury)?
amber siren
td will definitely be worth it for sub 15 keys for your corruption budget
cold dragon
Thanks, i'll be sure to incorporate that. 475 butcher's block and 460 vita for trinkets? Or is there better combinations?
solar sandal
in underrot, am i supposed to take the spider ob to the 2 faceless ones in front of the gate to last boss, and just let the faceless one ob spawn inside the boss room?
amber siren
butchers and vita are both good options, could potentially change the block for a similar ilvl scale if you wanted the extra haste but thats personal preference, vita will just pretty much stay on
@solar sandal yeah that's pretty standard
solar sandal
gotcha okay
cold dragon
To recap: fit TD3 into my corruption budget, add as much of my haste + expedient gear as I can while staying under 40 corruption and fill the rest with haste/crit gear? (since the key levels are lower and overall ilvl is higher vers stacking may not be the play)
amber siren
yep for that key level that'll be more than fine
cold dragon
Thanks!
cold dragon
ouch...RIP
steep bone
but actually proud of myself, from 0 knowledge about tanking to actually doing stuff (with help of this discord too), much different experience than nobrain rdps
cold dragon
At higher keys dps becomes less nobrain, but well done!
steep bone
well i just been doing 18-20s on mage and i can say it's pretty no brainer
sweet summit
cold dragon
Well yeah, you're a mage! You don't have to do m+ mechanics =o)
steep bone
it's far easier than melee/tank for my opinion tho
cold dragon
Yeah, melee has more to dodge/interrupt/stun/fear etc
or the ever so fun explosive orbs this week to muck up your dps
sweet summit
just play outlaw
left sedge
question for nyalotha tanking, do earlier bosses have a suggested tank such as shaddy having warr because of crush is there a preference on hivemind which one gets tanked as a warr?
or does it not matter which one i tank
cold dragon
Probably depends on your other tank. Paladins have an easier time interrupting Kah'zir
left sedge
its usuaally a druid
sweet summit
doesnt matter
steep bone
don't you have backup kick
sweet summit
you have a shaman solo kick anyway
cold dragon
Why do you have a shaman? Stack more mages!
sweet summit
resto
regal saddle
does the sand queen cleave?
cold dragon
99% sure it does not
misty tartan
@cold dragon prot warrior m+ gear, especially until +15 leys, just go ilvl (and TD for dmg)
stats don't really matter
cold dragon
Thanks @misty tartan!
orchid frigate
having a hard time to decide. i have 15k echoes and thinking of either saving till tomorrow and get some versa amp (aiming at >+20 keys soonish) or if i should get 3 expedient r3 for arms today which would increase dps a lot
cold dragon
What are your tanking goals? The pins have an excellent document regarding corruptions. They suggest for keys 20+ to start stacking vers
Below, that you may not get the full value out of it
orchid frigate
yepp, the goals are 20+ and up
but im only 2,5k rio now so i guess it will take a while
orchid frigate
ive read it :p
cold dragon
Oh, well then =o)
gloomy holly
Yeah
cold dragon
but you got a sword!
warm plinth
Temple, AD, UR, TD, ML, and Junkyard all drop shields. I think that's all of them.
cold dragon
Is the junkyard shield considered any good with its proc and lack of one secondary stat?
warm plinth
If it's your highest ilevel, it's still worth using. But it's garbage if you have something else that's equal ilevel or higher.
cold dragon
Thanks for the assessment!
upper violet
any poers
bold plover
Temple, AD, UR, TD, ML, and Junkyard all drop shields. I think that's all of them.
@warm plinth isn't Temple the best shield out of them all for actual tank?
warm plinth
Uh, idk. Secondaries on a shield are pretty small
ML is haste/crit iirc
I wouldn't really put much thought into what stats the shield had on it other than ilevel
sweet summit
ML is haste>crit yeh
left hatch
even the AD shield would be better
cause its Haste... mastery i think
(than temple that is)
orchid frigate
the bosses at bondos yard, you can tank them at a place so one of them doesnt mount up?
gloomy holly
Check out some MDI videos for an example (it's a common strategy there). I've never tried it. For the true MDI experience, make sure to pull all of Bondo's yard on top of the bosses.
bold plover
especially on bolstering g
limpid pawn
Question on last boss of SOB
How do you stop dps from getting meleed
While swapping platform
slate pond
if you walk along the close side of the bridge to the last platform you can get meleed
its their own fault for walking on that side of the bridge
past hollow
curious, does anyone do their visions in prot? never tried because i just assumed fury would be better
upper violet
CoF major for single target
equip some TD
pull a lot
and win
its pretty simple
5masks not difficult
past hollow
do you prefer it to fury?
upper violet
i dont play fury at all so yeah
i could try it but i got like 0 azerite armours and dont wanna reforge every second
honest plinth
visions are pretty ez as prot
past hollow
hmm alright ill give one a try, thanks!
clever ferry
Hello guys, i’m new to protection, which corruptions should i save echoes for?
strong forum
IT1, TD1/2/3, Vers2/3
strong forum
yes
clever ferry
One IT1, one TD3 and rest vers?
nova idol
Finally got 
lads
sweet summit
cold dragon
Grats
clever ferry
Gz
nova idol
Settles the question of what I need to spend my next socket on
kind spindle
@clever ferry vers % only important if doing keys in the 20+ range. Otherwise your better off with IT/TD/Expendant
clever ferry
Alright buddy, and which is more important stat before 20, crit or haste?
sweet summit
ilvl>haste>crit
severe is lowkey a trap, as crit gained from severe does not increase parry 
👀
gilded niche
What are the azerite traits I should be looking for?
left hatch
1xDC 3xBoM 2x something else ideally CH/HoD or MS
sweet summit
abyssal head, skitra shoulders and vex chest
radiant path
Wait, really?? Why is that the case about versatility? I'm also new to prot warrior and just joined here and saw the question about when to stack vers. I would think that if it works at high keys, it would help even more at lower keys(15-20). Maybe its just that my gear is only 465 and I only have one corruption item(IT 1)... But I feel so weak in most dungeons(definitely not Freehold). I did a 16 AD last night and holy crap, Yazma was hitting me hard. We would have timed it, but I accidentally hit a spider because she started casting and I tried to go for an interrupt... and got one shot by it(the spider). I've been saving my echoes for Vers III tonight, but should I really not buy any?
gilded niche
@left hatch thank you!
sweet summit
fair
gilded niche
CH?
gilded niche
Oh not sure what that is
left hatch
or mechanized chassis
sweet summit
mechanized chest plate or something
radiant path
I mean, Vers III sounds like it would be great for beginner tanks because it would be more forgiving when we screw up haha... But then again, maybe it would just be a crutch?
sweet summit
vers wont save you from bad play
left hatch
as far as vers is concerned, it stacks up VERY very slowly.
gilded niche
Never done prot before but I finally got a second set of decent azerite gear and a good weapon and shield and some vers gear so I thought I might as well give it a shot
left hatch
86 per .5% dr
sweet summit
vers is just extra safety and consistency ontop of perfect play
mortal brook
all secondaries do work. vers just happens to do work even if you're shit at your rotation. 100% a crutch, not to mention suboptimal, for most content
left hatch
so while it does save you from some mistakes here and there, haste (and to a smaller degree crit) are a much more efficient form of damage reduction than versa
radiant path
I mean, if it saves you from a one shot and the healer can get a lay on hands off, that would save. And I'm not debating with you guys, I'm just trying to understand 🙂
mortal brook
but you still wouldnt tell a new guy 'hey do this suboptimal build cuz you're new and need training wheels. dont get good okay?'
left hatch
below 20 range nothing is a one shot
gilded niche
Is only using 2 BoMs bad? Dont have 3 items with it
left hatch
even the scariest forms of magic damage (like water blast) will only killl you if 2_ go off
past hollow
nothing avoidable will one shot a tank in a 16 if they're geared for the content
left hatch
which youd be dead anyway
at that range
beyond which, fucking up is a great teachable moment
radiant path
Right, but my ilvl is still low. Thats why I got one shot
rigid sinew
left hatch
then you wouldn't get any value from versa anyway
past hollow
465 is more than fine for a 16, spiders are avoidable dmg
cold dragon
increase your ilvl
left hatch
if you're truly low ilvl for the content... 12% more versa won't even amount to 1% more DR
which isn't gonna change anything
rigid sinew
why not just
toxic gyro
Yazma hit u hard probably bc u didn’t have active mitigation up for that tank ability she does
rigid sinew
dont hit the spider?
left hatch
yeh... only thing on yazma that hits hard thats not avoidable is her tank buster
which is blockable
rigid sinew
was gonna ask what shield ilvl until i read u died to the spiders
gilded niche
BfI or DitB?
sweet summit
ditb?
gilded niche
dagger in the back
left hatch
sorry about your question Bas, only 2 BoM is fine
sweet summit
bfi
rigid sinew
in that case u could also ask for a ranged kick assuming u have one in ur team
radiant path
Don't hit the spider 😂
gilded niche
all good Morrison Im just an annoying prot noob
past hollow
yeah spiders will 1 shot tanks that stack vers too, they only stack vers in high keys because stuff can one shot without it
left hatch
and other traits that are 'ok' but not ideal to fill with are Iron Fortress, Brace for Impact, or any stat giving generic like Tradewinds
or blightborne infusion
unavoidable stuff can 1 shot**
radiant path
At the end of the day, I'm new and I learned something from it. I was just curious about the vers stacking. Thanks!
past hollow
ye
gilded niche
ty Morrison
left hatch
and even then you really have to lean into a versa build to make it work
gilded niche
anything I should be looking for in the 3rd and 4th row?
left hatch
like every piece haste/versa, multiple amps, full versa sockets etc
cold dragon
Is 3xBoM the play for prot in m+ with 1 deafening crash? Or are the other traits worthwhile?
left hatch
otherwise the value gained from it is next to nothing
radiant path
And rank 3 conflict and strife
left hatch
yeh miladyfoo thats what you want
left hatch
then the last 2 have Heart of Darkness, Clockwork Heart or Meticulous Scheming
toxic gyro
Imagine not dpsing from los spot lol
left hatch
ppl think unavoidable is bad now
just wait till Mueh'zala on tyranical
magic damage tantrum where your party almost has to split up
mmmmmm
and lasts twice as long
rigid sinew
Pog
radiant path
So I've got a 440 Rezan's Eye trinket, 460 Merektha's fang, and a 455 Spore pods. Any idea which 2 trinkets I should use? I'm gonna go buy 3 Expedient III's tonight before the vendor resets, so would the 440 Rezan be better?
sweet summit
left hatch
rezans and fang for rn
radiant path
Sweet! Thanks!
I'm really glad I joined this disc today... I was saving up all my echoes for Tier III Vers haha. Would have missed Expedient haha
left hatch
if you don't have it yet
2 IT1's is a better buy rn
much bigger defensive value than either versa or expedient at any level
radiant path
I have one and I'll have enough echoes to buy one more 🙂 along with the expedient
left hatch
sweet
radiant path
Thanks!
wet fable
so never 3IT1's?
left hatch
nah, not worth it
2 gets you into a sweet spot as far as Avatar/DS and SB are concerned
so a 3rd is kinda overkill
wet fable
with two do you get global thunder clap in avatar?
warm plinth
Yeah you should, assuming the proc lines up with avatar of course
radiant path
Is Conflict and Strife major better than Vision of Perfection major sub +20s? And when should I use Memory of Lucid Dreams major?
left hatch
CnS is not
the only time it really shines is exceptionally high keys when you need the doubled versa from it
(and even then i still see lucid used pretty often in World 1st keys)
radiant path
The snare is pretty nice as well haha. But sweet!
left hatch
if you need to kite sure, but even on necrotic week you have enough tools to reset stacks
plenty of movement skills
radiant path
I've been running Rank 3 CnS. I'll switch to either VoP or MoLD
left hatch
Lucid is once you have a good understanding of the routes, and are making BIG pulls every ~2 mins around your groups cds
also need to be 100% comfortable that you never rage cap
cause if you don't play around the cd, or if you rage cap during it, no point running it
radiant path
I have the opposite problem... I feel like I never have enough rage.
left hatch
deva isn't revenge
radiant path
Oh duh
hahaha
Yeah, thanks
Maybe you're right.... But what else do I hit if not devastate when my other rage generators are on cd?
left hatch
well thats the thing, its pretty rare SB AND TC are on cd
with 70+% one or the other is almost always up
radiant path
I just feel like I have to use shield block on whenever its up and IP when I have enough rage
left hatch
and in aoe revenge should be free pretty often
left hatch
probably sitting on Avatar or DS too long
gilded niche
MS or BfI?
left hatch
MS
sweet summit
MS
gilded niche
also overwhelming power/unstable flames/strength in numbers?
sweet summit
OP
left hatch
depends on key level
but unless you're doing like 24/25+'s
force multi + haste chants
gilded niche
as dps I do around 15s
cool thanks a lot for the help!
also whats a decent vers %?
gilded niche
ah okay
left hatch
nah thats pretyt high
sweet summit
uwu daddy
strong forum
doing KR20 with meme group if anyone cares
gilded niche
What corruption should I try to get for prot spec?
unborn trellis
quick question should what enchants should i get for prot?
left hatch
pre 25's Force Multi and Haste chants
gilded niche
@left hatch what does ITI mean?
left hatch
ineffable truth 1
radiant path
Hmm... I'm beginning to think Morrison is actually a bot that responds to that question... Been in this discord for 1 hour and he's answered 3 people(including myself) with the exact same question...
🤔
left hatch
shit iv been discovered
left hatch
self-aware =/= smart
sweet summit
@strong forum
sweet summit
still timed
strong forum
big gamer moment
sweet summit
big trinket
icy harness
@sweet summit you free?
sweet summit
im in bed mate
icy harness
😳
sweet summit
😳
icy harness
not invited
sweet summit
icy harness
analog wolf
Is versa only better than crit in very high keys?
sweet summit
Yeah
sweet summit
Yeah
sweet summit
Full damage
Its a yoke
Might take nzoth trinket for like ilgy
Because beam can hurt
analog wolf
Can you get too much haste, or is that not a thing?
strong forum
the more the better
sweet summit
icy harness
👏 👉 COCK
sweet summit
COCK
radiant path
Alright... as per the earlier conversation I had with people in here, I’m about to load up on expedient III instead of waiting for Vers III. I still don’t understand why vers only helps at high keys, but I trust that y’all know what you’re talking about 😂
warm plinth
I wouldn't "load up" on expedient either
Like it's not a bad corruption but there's no reason to not just run a couple IT1s and fill the rest with TD
radiant path
Well I have a lot of echoes and I have 2 ITs already. One on a 475 weapon and one on my 475 shield
warm plinth
What's a lot of echoes?
warm plinth
Yeah I'd save for TD
radiant path
And tier 3 TD isn’t for like 2 weeks
warm plinth
TD is expensive but it's also the best corruption for keys if you're not doing high enough stuff for vers
TD2 is fine and it comes out sooner
radiant path
Oh ok
warm plinth
Only TD I'd avoid is TD1 since the price is higher than it should be (imo)
radiant path
Cool cool. Thanks!
So I should just stick with my 2 Tier 1 ITs until TD comes in the shop?
warm plinth
Yeah, that's what I would do. TD2 is back next Friday
radiant path
When Vision of Perfection procs Avatar, does it give the free ignore pain?
warm plinth
Yes, but a smol one
sick sentinel
Where should I farm for my main hand M+
I know Atal has the shield I should be farming for from M+ at the moment but I could use a mainhand upgrade as well soon
warm plinth
Anywhere that has both a 1H and a shield would be fine if you need upgrades on both
I believe AD has 1H, trinket and shield
sick sentinel
I'm mostly goin for the more Better for my slot options at the moment
tryin to move up towards heroic raiding soon so the better gear drops would be my aim rn
currently 449.5 IL
warm plinth
You should be able to tank heroic with that ilevel
sick sentinel
yeah but most of my gear is more of the stuff I've been told as Sub par stat wise
I've got a 435 shield from junkyard
a 440 fishhook from Freehold as my mainhand
warm plinth
We go for ilevel over anything else anyway. I wouldn't be that concerned about min/maxing your secondaries until you're dealing with max ilevel stuff
sick sentinel
I'm always iffy about IL these days
I remember having a moment around the time naz just opened up
a warlock main friend of mine got a drop that was a big IL upgrade
radiant path
Oh really? Don't worry about secondary stats until you have 475 ILVL in that slot?
sick sentinel
only to find out it was a massive stat downgrade
warm plinth
Well, 465 at least since that's the highest you can get outside of the weekly chest and mythic raids
sick sentinel
Yeah
oblique garnet
sick sentinel
well
radiant path
Ok cool
sick sentinel
I got a 470 ring on my priest the other day from the emissary chest lol
I was laughing my ass off at it
warm plinth
Like obviously if you happen to get a better secondaries item, then equip it
sick sentinel
because it was all the odd stats and nothing actually useful
warm plinth
But it's not worth stressing over secondaries at 450 ilevel
sick sentinel
like speed/leach/mastery on a 470 ring
warm plinth
Especially on a spec that values ilevel over anything else anyway
oblique garnet
Yes i definitely did not wear lfr gear for mythic prog because of corruption
warm plinth
corruption isn't secondaries though :p
oblique garnet
But now with vendor dont worry about gear stats till you are max ilvl
@warm plinth worst part was that it wasnt even my armortype boe
oblique garnet
I remember tanking ilgy or carapace with cloth boe legs because they had ev 3
Lfr boe aswell because it was like 50k
sick sentinel
I tried signing up for groups but now they just declining me based off my server KEKW
warm plinth
What server?
sick sentinel
Moonguard
warm plinth
Huh. That's a new one
sick sentinel
Like
my best key is a +11
got told to go back to goldshire when I sign up for a +7 KR
warm plinth
kek
sick sentinel
mind you that +11 was last week
when the affixes were fortified bolstering grievous
vocal skiff
sick sentinel
Ye I am
maybe I'll get a shield drop some time today ResidentSleeper
Only ran Atal 5 times so far
void hill
sick sentinel
all td
main vault
I could see declining based on that server though
I won’t lie, depending what I’m trying to do I decline rp realms
solemn venture
I’ve never been declined from a group because I’m on moon guard. Maybe due to lower key pug life?
last mason
do you guys ever take lucid minor
last mason
over aegis?
or with aegis
i feel like i have a hard time using aegis effecitively in pugs since i cant trust them to handle dangerous stuff thats mass pulled
like bloodscreamers
still pagoda
got told to go back to goldshire when I sign up for a +7 KR
@sick sentinel
We at least don't write anything to people from Soulflayer, Black scar and Burning Legion here
Just decline
First 2 are RU servers
That are much worse than more popular ones
shut stag
Can someone explain or link a good clip showing how to LOS Kujo but still attack him? I thought I knew how but I definitely don’t
grand drum
There is a weakaura that our ranged dps use
shut stag
I’ve got the WA, want melee to be able to attack also. I can get him where ranged can hit with autos
Is it just drag him until I get the hiding buff while hitting?
still pagoda
Writing back is pretty shitty
@main vault
I only write in cases when a person writes to me preemptively
And even then there's no aggression or anything else
main vault
Yeah I answer, but I’m not gonna say something like “we don’t take Brazilians”
In fact, some of my best groups have been from the Hispanic servers
still pagoda
I never answer to server-based declines
still pagoda
Let's be real
Ревущий Фьорд >>>>>>>> Свежеватель Душ
Soulflayer is one hell of a dumpster
I don't decline based on region
But on server
sick sentinel
I have only failed like
4 keys total on my warrior
I've seen people do stupid stuff but blame me for their mistakes due to my server...
still pagoda
sick sentinel
like a priest that just runs through 50 raptor spots during Rezan fight and blames the MG player...
chilly brook
I don't invite Rag
grand drum
Had bad experiences with quel thalas players in legion. I thought I should give them another chance and invited a healer from QT and he couldnt heal through a flame jets in a 17 with 470 ilvl.
sick sentinel
My overall experience with players from Sargaras is >they toxic
so I try to avoid them when I can
still pagoda
I've seen at least 4 healers not healing during flame vents on tyr weeks
sick sentinel
yeesh
still pagoda
All 4 from BurningLegion
sick sentinel
I had a shaman flame me for ruining his key a few minutes ago
still pagoda
The biggest dumpster fire server of all EU
versed hull
yo guys, gearing up my alt prot warrior, should i roll shoulders or head mythic residium?
I have basically "no azerite"
hushed cobalt
Shoulders best chance for bom
lime mantle
iron raptor
anyone here built out a Vers build yet
i notice my haste took a hit and is now around 36 with into the fray instead of 54ish
halcyon pasture
hi guys. What is the optimal IT set up? I hear its 2x rank 1. Is that correct?
deep kelp
hey guys
i just got a lingering psychic shell and i am really confused
if it works the way i think it does its really OP
is there any guide explaining it?
grand drum
It works like ignore pain