of course
#protection
steep bone
maaan
I killed raden 3 times on my war, bonus rolled 3 times and.... no fucking vita, then some alt comes who's only raid logging and never playing outside of raid and he gets vita
i gotta ignore mental pain irl
warm plinth
I lost my first caress roll on heroic to a person who did half my DPS (on my DH)
grand drum
Reminds me of a guildie who won a roll for razor coral on an alt he doesnt play anymore
steep bone
rolling is such a joke tho
rc loot council is chad
but try to explain RL that feeding alts whose peak performance varies from 10 to 15% log is not the best idea and actually giving items to ppl that are playing is better idea
still pagoda
Thanks
that's exactly what i thought
same amount of vers i have
i don't have AuG
limpid pawn
Highest mitigated in raid
still pagoda
but can just cycle CD's and LPS(If it will ever drop to me)
limpid pawn
Took way less damage taken per second compared to DK tank
Timed all of my mitigation on point
strong forum
well
bdk has a shitton of dtps in general
if you wanna compare anything its ehrps
strong forum
well ilgynoth dmg intake is literally only 2nd beam
and you have LPS for that
so 🤷♂️
still pagoda
i'm unlucky with LPS so far
limpid pawn
Let me dunk on the raid PLS
still pagoda
but i have SR and SW for that
limpid pawn
I use demo shout + spell reflect for first beam
Then last stand maybe demo again, and LPS (or AUG) if demo is missing on second beam
We have like 1-2 below average healers
limpid pawn
they barely heal me that fight and let me dip my health, so I have to be ultra proactive with the cds
still pagoda
did rather badly IMO
limpid pawn
I’m sure the fight is hard for healers, but whatever
summer pelican
Hi guys,
i was wondering if there are any special prequistions for ineffeable truth. I'm rly uncertine if I'd buy 2x ineffable this rotion and 3x versatile on saturday or if I'd save all my echoes for versatile.
Thats my Rio : https://raider.io/characters/eu/antonidas/Slawaclap#season=season-bfa-3
Thats my Armory: https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/eu/antonidas/Slawaclap
strong forum
IT has higher prio than versatile @summer pelican if you wana push keys
summer pelican
@strong forum is it actually for Offensive or Deffensive purposes?
sweet summit
yes
upper violet
uuhhh man i tanked a 14 ws
kinda fucked up last obelist
pepegamode
got hit in the back by small spiders and flopped
limpid pawn
You gotta use LPS and then last stand in the pillar
Always
And obv don’t face your back
summer pelican
thx guys 🙂
upper violet
i thought i had leap but fucked up
i was using vita scale so no lps
maybe ill use it next runs
limpid pawn
Kiting during explosive week is dumb
sweet summit
🐉 
upper violet
yeah
limpid pawn
Gotta slow back pedal kite
limpid pawn
Or if there is some good LoS spots then make sure everyone just runs asap
sweet hearth
any of you play Marektha's? feels good?
still pagoda
big meme dam
novel gulch
guys, searing flame > TD ?
sweet hearth
3k fury trying prot for the first time, either marektha's or the maut mythic trinket
novel gulch
thx Rosjen, I hate it T_T
sweet summit
hate TD?
still pagoda
guys, searing flame > TD ?
@novel gulch
Searing flame is garbage
still pagoda
sweet summit
its the best most versatile corruption we have for damage 🤷♀️
novel gulch
do you guys think it's worth sliding an ineffable truth in there?
still pagoda
we can ask MW monk to help us out
novel gulch
sweet
sweet summit
like 2x IT1 is recommended it seems
sick sentinel
Can confirm 2 IT is 🥜
still pagoda
^
upper violet
Td3 or 2 on vendor when
warm plinth
@upper violet http://www.corruptionvendor.com
warm plinth
50% doesn’t cap GCD
mystic finch
hello! i'm currently running td r5 and been wondering if it'd be worth dropping r2 to equip ITx2 and versatile% r3 (or two vers r3). take into account that it's an alt and a bit behind on corruption resistane
warm plinth
It takes 100% haste to cap GCD and past that point it still affects everything else we like it for (CD reductions)
What level keys are you doing Nic
warm plinth
Stick with TD. Fill in with IT1 as possible
still pagoda
2xIT1's is great to have
TD4-5 + 2xIT1 is what you can go with for these keys easily
and even higher
strong forum
25+
warm plinth
Once you’re doing like 25
strong forum
below that you dont take enough dmg to warrant the dropping of TD entirely
mystic finch
gotcha
sweet hearth
opinion on major essence for m+? i see most taking CnS even at like 3k and stuff, is VoP ok for someone starting out? extra avatar feels good
strong forum
VoP for below 20s and general use
sweet hearth
gonna start by trying everything at 15 before i do any bigger keys
strong forum
you can use Cns for quality of life, but vop will benefit you more in low keys
sweet hearth
ok sweet ty, i guess that's mainly for the chunk of vers to stop you dying? rather than the root
stiff oracle
Root is bae
honest plinth
what should i pick 1 more 12% vers or 2nd IT 1
honest plinth
thanks
upper violet
If i just do weekly 15 do i ever unequip vop major
still pagoda
the root is good in some dungeons to stop some mechanics
@strong forum
Technically, i think of using it for AD and AD only
i've got +20 ToS in my bag
and got feel of this week already(it is not hard, just SS every fucking orb)
lime mantle
@still pagoda Why only AD?
sweet summit
you snap them tho
still pagoda
^
sweet summit
all of them
icy harness
Rosjen 😳
still pagoda
no
sweet summit
😳
sweet summit
drest trinket bad outside pvp tho
tame garden
😳
limpid pawn
is uncanny gear the highest blacksmith gear you can sell atm?
kind spindle
Conflict r2 vs Aegis r3 for minor?
sick sentinel
Hey guys, does spell reflection works on indigestion from Cragmaw?
undone sun
No, only reduces the damage
honest plinth
oh i have 1 more question bout reflect. can i reflect Cyclone Strike in ToS when im not the target of this spell? i heard something about it but never tried to do it
marble cipher
Yes
Step into his hitbox
Only when you're not the target though, or you will die horribly
sour silo
U can easily kite whole tol dagor beach meanwhile doing dps with CnS, u can root bloodswarmers in UR, bolstered adds, FH adds that are chasing ppl, ML 2nd boss adds, adds that are running away etc etc tho, not only for AD xd
tame garden
blocking 2nd boss siege from jumping back to the boat is my favourite usage
random niche
For Mythics I’m running TD 2+3 but I’m wondering if just stacking Versitile is better in the long run. Versitile III is up for purchase on Friday. Anyone know which would be better.
undone sun
depends on the keys your running, it's not black and white for when you should start using vers amps over TD
main shoal
hey should i get one innefable truth from this rotation?
sick sentinel
Should get 2x IT1 if you can afford it
analog zinc
start of Cara prog is fun
everyone but 2 healers cloaked behind the 2nd set of tentacles but the summoner spores were still alive so I just cleaved til everything exploded
warm plinth
Isn't it technically WCL not letting you pad lol
The damage is recorded by Blizzard or Details wouldn't show it either
sick sentinel
Why wcl not letting me pad 
If you aren’t a tank padding for parses what is mythic raid
mental needle
guys should i switch to 2xIT1 if i already have IT2 on 460 haste/vers bracers?
sick sentinel
2x IT1 is a better set up, but that’s up to you
warm plinth
I would, yeah. But if you still need TD then it might not be the best use of your echoes
daring bay
Is IT really better than just stacking more vers thou?
warm plinth
Even the people doing WF keys doing hardcore vers stacking are running with 2x IT1
The chances that you're actually doing keys that require you to stack vers to begin with are slim to none
sick sentinel
Also the go to dungeon shield is prob ML
daring bay
like 23s 24s?
sick sentinel
Nah haste crit will be better
@daring bay even the Highest of high key runners are making room for 2x IT1 in their budget
daring bay
Nah was more answering the "The chances that you're actually doing keys that require you to stack vers to begin with are slim to none"
I seen plenty high m+ tanks run IT
I am gonna call it thou, people will stop running IT at some point :P
warm plinth
I wasn't being snarky to you btw. Just that the vast majority of players are not doing keys high enough that it's required.
I doubt it
IT is too good
warm plinth
I mean I wasn't 🤔
daring bay
IT gives you your CDs back, but its not really reliable. I think when people get close to doing 30s they justh ave to replace it with even more vers
I mean, the hard pulls you have ur cds anyway
what you wont have is enough vers
crude notch
Imagine telling a dude what he was trying to be
Yikes
Triggered this man off the planet
dusky tusk
So been following for a bit and see the "dont worry about vers stacks" until high key. So if not stacking vers should I just be gunning for ilvl with a bit of a balance to stats?
mortal brook
ilvl > haste
dusky tusk
I got one TD3
olive gust
465 jels howler with socket, or 460 sigil.. other trink 475 banage with socket
mortal brook
neither are exciting
icy harness
jes howler is pretty pog
now 460 sigil vs 475 bandage i'm not quite sure because of the ilvl of the bandage + socket
I guess I would switch it depending on the dungeon
i'd prefer having bandage since it's 1.5m vs 2m
and the extra socket + strenght
but also, the sigil might be better on probably like SoS lul
maybe even a cheeky motherlode if it's a higher key on the 3rd boss 
for the magic damage autos
lavish oracle
I think shorter CD + higher ilvl makes bandage the clear winner
crude notch
sigil is a worse bandage
crude notch
Most magic damage is interruptible
icy harness
I'd use bandage anyway
But, you tell people not to interrupt it so you can reflect it
Why not tell them not to interrupt so your shield gets bigger
lavish oracle
Honestly, on the last 2 bosses of ML, I wear both because I am a coward :P
(And because I don't have the N'zoth trinket yet)
lavish oracle
Uh, not with double defensive trinkets it doesn't 😄
bold plover
Iron fortress or Deafening Crash?
sick sentinel
If you already have a Dc, If. If not, DC
bold plover
thanks
daring bay
Depends on the scenario
In m+ if i had to chose between those two i just take another DC
sick sentinel
If your shield is 470 or lower without a doubt take IF
sick sentinel
IF useful regardless. Not optimal but another DC is a minimal dps gain with no defensive benefit
daring bay
and IF is less than minimal dps gain with close to 0 defensive benefit
sterile thicket
what corruptions should I target?
sick sentinel
TD for most content
sick sentinel
As you push higher in keys start looking toward vers%
bold plover
I feel so cheated playing this spec
sterile thicket
so at what level does % vers take over
bold plover
I was playing guardian, this shits like actually impossible to die
like the fukc
well until magic
sick sentinel
20-25 you’ll see most people still stacking TD to some extent, 25+ you’ll see the top guys start to abandon TD and go vers %
daring bay
I say 23s ish is when you start building %vers, but you should decide yourself when you feel like you are taking a bit to much dmg
bold plover
take it thats the same for all tanks then?
sick sentinel
Guardian Druids aren’t humans they are degenerate creatures
daring bay
if you can easily survive then TD is just more dmg
olive gust
clockwork heart vs brace for impact?
daring bay
clockwork
sick sentinel
Ye clockwork heart is one of our bis traits
bold plover
Guardian Druids aren’t humans they are degenerate creatures
@sick sentinel haha... bear go grr... :(
sick sentinel
Heck out of here yogi you’re drunk
😘
all i saw is it was a wow discord haha
any dungeons to avoid this week?
at 15
tiny fern
Why do you say break week?
oblique garnet
at 15 every dungeon is free
bold plover
Why do you say break week?
@tiny fern Explosive and raging is fairly easy to deal with
extremely* compared to others, especially compared to legion, the spawn rate for explosive is actually.... like 1/100th of what it was
or at least thats what I've seen
fleet kayak
I just got a warrior to 120 and I want to gear him as a m+ tank. What professions should I have? does anything help with dungeons?
dark lark
engi is nice for the knockback belt / shield belt, and in a really tight pinch, the bres
i personally use alch
so i can make my own flasks/potions
lavish oracle
Yeah, I use alchemy because I'm broke, otherwise I'd play engi for bres/belt
cursive burrow
Woo-hoo, got my LPS and it has a socket.
main shoal
whats the essence setup for underrot 10-15?
icy harness
as any other dungeon
dark lark
What do you guys think I should use for prot M+ and for arms raid prog- meticulous scheming chest vs clockwork heart chest? I have both now.
elfin nexus
Both very similar.. whatever sims higher for arms use other for prot
main shoal
Hey is it worth to run cns 2 minor? Or should i go for another rank 3?
Was thinking VoP, Wardens, Lucid, Aegis
woven venture
Don't think this week is that bad for keys beyond tyr sucking, depending on your key level. My group is still getting new timers this week in the 19 range, those are our pbs.
light tapir
Hey guys based on the corruption cap at 125, we will eventually run out of slots to corrupt. Will we end up ditching innefs for vers 3 or use it2.
iron raptor
Anyone here running the full versatility build in Mythic raid
Wondering if you see notable improvements over your old build
sick sentinel
not worth in raid
dark lark
Raid doesn't hit hard
iron raptor
Also, does vers increase healing received or only personal healing?
sick sentinel
Going to assume all healing
dark lark
@sick sentinel only difficult thing about TD this week would be letting raging salt blasts go off, which is a group kick problem, and final boss, which is a healer + dps defensives problem
sick sentinel
Doesn't make sense if only own, some classes, most have 2 heal spell
dark lark
Also, explosives if you pull whole beach at once lol
sick sentinel
There is a guy In too dagor 2nd boss trash over 200k melees with raging in 8.2 has white circle that hurts
Not looking forward to that pull on 15
lavish oracle
if you tag that mob with a heroic throw or a taunt, it won't aggro the rest of the trash
Then you can kill him by himself a little bit away, seperately
olive gust
what would u guys rec for stat priority and is there any caps?
icy harness
not classic
undone sun
no caps
icy harness
❎ 🧢
smoky garnet
@undone sun 🧢
undone sun
🙊
cyan shore
Morning guys. I can pretty much tank Nyalotha heroic blindfolded, but I've been weasling my way through that with my arms gear (haste mastery / haste crit with expedient) and a set of tanking azerites. Is there a stat baseline to be able to tank Nyalotha mythic?
cyan shore
You don't need crazy Vers or anything?
sweet summit
Not at all
cyan shore
And can I go above 20 corruption or not recommended? for progress
cyan shore
I get that I can deal with TFB, but sometimes I can't move from the eye, isn't that just extra stress on the healers?
sweet summit
Past that is how comfortable you are, to not dying because you got a bad slow
You can also reflect the eye
Tfb isnt the scary part at 59
cyan shore
The slow is?
sage granite
nah the eye
sweet summit
Slow/eye
cyan shore
It's the eye that I'm worried about honestly, that's why I try to keep my corruption below 20
sweet summit
Anyway, at 39 u wont have any issues
You want to be over 25
For heart of darkness if u have it
sage granite
39 is safe the eye wont do too much damage and you can always click cloak if it spawns in a bad spot where you cant move and will be taking a lot of damage
cyan shore
not running heart of darkness yet. Got 2 pieces of 480 azerite from m+ so
Using those and stacking bastion
warm plinth
The healer is healing you anyway. As long as you aren't sitting every eye, it's typically not going to be a big deal
sweet summit
You can take one eye easily, 2nd eye is reflect and if you actually get a 3rd eye without dropping stacks just cloak
ionic fern
2 steps to the right/left to get out of the eye is not a big deal in 99% of the situations.
cyan shore
Yeah in most fights it should be doable
warm plinth
I just bought IT1 and put it on my shield. Then I did my 5 mask vision and I got 15 ilevel upgrade gloves with...you guessed it, IT1 😄
cyan shore
And how important are tanking trinkets? Or are the haste ones good enough?
warm plinth
Too bad I have TD on my gloves right now 😢
sage granite
Sigil of Warding and Lingering Phychic Shell are basically 2 additional defensive CD's so they're amazing
I run Sigil and and Vita charged titanshard but I would run Nzoth trinket if it would drop
sweet summit
Sigil yuck
cyan shore
These are my stats unbuffed right now. 780k HP
sweet summit
Ok
cyan shore
Fair enough. I can get to 473 but the equipment is trash then
Should I do that anyway?
ionic fern
Trinkets/rings don't really follow the "always highest ilvl" rule.
lime mantle
Question:
I don't/won't do Mythic Nya; Azerite wise should I stick with HC version of head/shoulders/chest for BoM+HoD plus a 475m+ piece for TC+BoM or I should give up on HoD and get 475 pieces?
warm plinth
475 pieces
sweet summit
Ilvl>hod
cyan shore
No it ain't sporepods, but it's non-haste gear with no corruption / doesn't work with my haste corruptions
sweet summit
Yes corruptions dont follow that rule to strictly either
If you have any TD corruptions, id use those over expedient
cyan shore
Haven't seen any yet sadly 😦
sweet summit
lime mantle
I got mine yesterday, jesus fuck it hits hard.
Also thanks
Also generally speaking, is Faralos' corruption any good?
It looks like a mini TD
lime mantle
🤔 Time to coin for it 😹
sweet summit
Eh
lime mantle
It's a high Ilvl weapon that I don't need to work/Clown RNG particularly hard for don't over-think my memeing too much Ross, plus gives me bracers or trink if I fail to get that one so win/win.
sweet summit
Fair 😄
lime mantle
I can purge the corruption and get something good instead if needs be/I get TD/IF/Whatever I need
(The high Ilvl weapon the main draw tbh)
nimble sky
Guys, what are you corrupting for high keys now? Do you run 1x IT r1 for Avatar/Demo or just full versa r3.
orchid frigate
engi belt knock doesnt break cc right?
sweet summit
No
orchid frigate
just did a key on my brm. what a difference when its not grevious!
marble cipher
Grievous is totally fine on BrM though, I tend to find it more annoying on warrior tbf
marble cipher
😋
still pagoda
same for some keys like WS on tyr
if a healer can't outheal whole group on first boss, then it's better to leave
marble cipher
WS on tyr trends to 'show' the bad players only at third boss, sadly
still pagoda
i tried to do +19WS yesterday
healer couldn't outheal that slight damage from gnomercy's vent
and killed the whole group
steep bone
@still pagoda First boss ain't that bad, i've had shitfiesta on second one and many whispers with wishes for me to die to cancer for leaving cuz healer didn't know he has to dispel me on 2nd boss XD
still pagoda
it really isn't bad
but shitty healers are
who can't click their buttons
guy had around 40% healing from lifebloom
steep bone
And i see his cds not being used at all
still pagoda
and full mana bar
still pagoda
which is a bad idea when you need to heal the group
and top off everyone during group damage bursts
steep bone
Nono I mean that if he was doing something outside of not healing
still pagoda
ik
steep bone
I've seen druids catweaving while they had to heal
or well they didnt leave any hots on players
expecting pugs to play on level of 5k+ teams
steep bone
ofc
but what's hard on third boss, dodge gearwheels, dodge flamethrowers and kill that cannon asap
queen mantle
would u guys run IT2 vers3x3 or IT1 vers3x4?
steep bone
@queen mantle for what key levels tho or what content
still pagoda
EASY
still pagoda
i'm running TD4+2xIT1 and was totally fine in +21
queen mantle
oh really?
tawny maple
still pagoda
oh really?
@queen mantle
Vers becomes a thing in +25 keys and higher
basically in giga high keys where you need to avoid oneshots
if you die in +19 and think you need vers, then you need to learn the class and game instead
still pagoda
it's damage increase is worse than stacking TD
steep bone
go it1 x2 and td then and you'll be fine
queen mantle
okay
sounds good
thanks
so would u actually prio haste in 20s then?
over vers, on enchants/gems
wild sandal
i have 4% vers , and some other warriors told me that is bad and to low, i only do +17s at max , so i try to stack TD just for dps, should i change to vers builds? or enchants
steep bone
read few comments above
sweet summit
That other warrior is big dumb
wild sandal
ah sorry should have read before asking, ok thank you
still pagoda
strong forum
I've been running 3% vers and full dmg up until 22s
Sooo...yeah the other dude is big dum dum
still pagoda
i'm running 8% just because my highest ilvl haste pieces have vers
steep bone
for dps wise haste/crit are the best stats, right?
strong forum
Ye
steep bone
my stats are all around the world
lime mantle
Stat=Good tho.
still pagoda
my gm did the same dum dum shit in my DM's yesterday
sweet summit
Sim yo self for dps tbh
still pagoda
"You need 20% vers for raids it's great"
lime mantle
Remove that leech, leech bad. :bigbrain:
queen mantle
sweet summit
Leech
queen mantle
this is wat i have rn
still pagoda
literally refuted it with CD cycling just as i usually do
steep bone
I wish 
sweet summit
Epic necroric trinket
steep bone
this week 
still pagoda
this week
steep bone
im still rocking those tho
still pagoda
i'm really lucky on weekly chest so far
475 shield, rezan, goreblock, KR haste/vers ring, now these pants
still pagoda
all these were back to back
steep bone
I can't get a shit from bosses tho, still having rezan+dragonscale
still pagoda
steep bone
still pagoda
Gonna go do normal or HC N'zoth for 3 corruption res today
easy 59 corruption setup
sweet summit
I need one item from the raid. And its the carapace mace
still pagoda
^
same
and we're nearing carapace
dunno if ilgy will stand for long
will have to switch to BrM for N'zoth tho
steep bone
whuut
upper violet
they are slow in the head
steep bone
they doesn't have muscle memory for stuff and they have to think what to do next
steep bone
most of them are just people that doesn't care
and playing day by day since start of xpac
lime mantle
Hey Karton, why not get a bit more corruption? I am sure you can fit another twily in there.
Trust me. I am not N'zoth.
sand relic
anything worth getting from vendor this week before it resets ?
ionic fern
IT 1
sand relic
is what it ? and how many
steep bone
if you have budget get 2, better to have than not to have
still pagoda
explosive
pugs pulled all the droplets before the first boss in ToS
blame it on tank
fuck lower keys
sand relic
whats so good about IT whats it do for us
still pagoda
i just wanted to do weekly on my monk
ionic fern
It does what it says it does.
Makes our CD's come back faster.
The benefit it provides for the low corruption cost is really good.
If you want to you can save for TD. 🤷
still pagoda
ah
and also healer who seems like he doesn't click any buttons
at all
i literally had to spam vivs into myself
while this idiot was sitting at full mana
sand relic
How many IT do u guys use
still pagoda
2
ionic fern
1
sand relic
for tanking maninly m+
steep bone
2x rank1
sand relic
i only have raNK1 td on a 470 should i just use that and buy an IT or save for td3
im at 9k
ionic fern
Are you doing keys below 22?
sand relic
mostly 12-18 keys
ionic fern
Just save for TD3.
upper violet
yooooo if i kill nzoth rn
i can run td3 IT2 and IT1 at 39 corruption
and 469 ilvl
so major upgrades
obtuse lion
is Bastion of Might worth 15 ilvls?
obtuse lion
aw, okay thanks
orchid frigate
just remember to spread on last boss :p
strong forum
It also kills my group
upper violet
every boss somebody pepegas something
ionic fern
upper violet
thats the way it goes
strong forum
People still not dodging cyclo or using personals for conduction
strong forum
You don't get it as tank
upper violet
ok so whats the huge blue ring i forgot the spell name
strong forum
Conduction is the aoe bomb targeted at 1 player per cycle
The blue ring is static shock
People have to manage surviving conduction + static shock
upper violet
yeah static shock idk sometimes ppl die to that
strong forum
Aswell as standing close to tank for arcing bladeslash thingy
orchid frigate
my favorite is when dps is hitting shield
strong forum
That's always glorious, phase swap happens and almost guaranteed 1 person gets clapped
orchid frigate
yeah hehe
ah well, can see that happen with people in group like my wife who refuses to play with nameplates 😮
orchid frigate
hehe
orchid frigate
mhm
still pagoda
First boss is the pug killer in ToS tho.
So many deaths.
@ionic fern
No deaths this time
seriously
sweet hearth
what;s a good pull rotation? charge > demo > avatar > thunder/revenge spam? wanna make sure i understand before i jump in a key
strong forum
Avatar+charge+sb-clap-demo-clap
daring bay
If you have enough haste you just do a thunder clap at the begining of that rotarion for a bit more rage
sweet hearth
<30% haste atm
sweet hearth
sweet ok
daring bay
you have a bit more from into the fray
sweet hearth
awesome, thank you for the quick replies!
orchid frigate
hmm tried the tank by shelf trick in shrine but managed to kill 2 part members with cleave 😦
ionic fern
👍
orchid frigate
good that its easy to reset that boss
bad that people are so quick to release tho
fiery pollen
475 bandages vs 470 lps
Using 465 socket rezan and 475 dragonscale atm
orchid frigate
i like temple
sick sentinel
Patrol trash on snake 3rd boss bridge dude
still pagoda
DPS were stupid as fuck anyway
orchid frigate
gonna do it again now with DK
sweet summit
Dont die 
still pagoda
RIP +21
rogue and hunter died from avoidable mechanics
while healer had to heal them up and went into 100k+ HPS
icy harness
F
sweet summit
peak stratus
i'm trying to put together an offset to use for tanking. my main set is arms dps (haste corruption). would it be a bad idea to run TD + haste corruption for the remaining pieces?
upper violet
its pretty good
IT is a better filler than haste
but if its an offspec you know u dont have to be 100% optimised haste is still good
peak stratus
sounds good. it's mostly to squeeze in a +15 if i can't find a group to take this guy as dps
thanks for the help
orchid frigate
heh
sweet hearth
is stacking Deafening crash not a thing anymore?
sweet hearth
meticulous scheming and callous reprisal, second option deafening for both
still pagoda
MS
sweet hearth
that's with keeping 3x bastion
still pagoda
Callous Reprisal is hot 
sweet hearth
ah ok, maybe ill swap it for 2x deafening for now then
warm plinth
Yeah would definitely use MS and 2nd DC in that scenario
strong forum
MS is one of the best traits to get
modern brook
we like clockwork heart too right?
still pagoda
CwH, MS and HoD are all great
still pagoda
later
steep bone
rate my cringe nickname
strange tide
Is overwhelming power not very good?
warm plinth
Overwhelming Power is still the best middle ring trait
modern brook
^
The "lose a stack when damage is taken" is capped at 1/s so you're going to lose at most 2 stacks a second
which like yeah has less efficacy than on a DPS/healer but its still just an absurd amount of our favorite stat
OP>=UF>elemental whirl, on the middle ring, imo
sullen valve
Good morning skyhold + @ionic fern uwuwuwuwuwu
ionic fern
What on earth is that uwuwuwuwuw?
sweet summit
:weebsout:
sweet summit
Pogpog
modern brook
oooh pog, 2.7k grats karton
Im hitting a hard wall at 2.5k w/ my rogue
I just cant find another 10k dps to push higher keys :/
ancient shoal
is there a way to somehow highlight Explosives plates?
mod for a plater or an option
amber siren
@ancient shoal lots of weak auras do that
https://wago.io/explosiveorbs/27 i use this one
sweet summit
So no horde gang?
upper violet
assaults depleted my last braincells
upper violet
cant rly do keys when youre 430 ilvl
sweet summit
:/
upper violet
its too much work id rather focus on my woyer
bold plover
uh I mean I did my 15 on my 430 guardian Druid
Then again I had my 4.3k team from legion help me
sweet summit
Bear OP tho
bold plover
no it’s really not
sweet summit
bold plover
it’s more forgiving than root
Prot
Guardian is like an elevator it goes up it goes down
I can’t think of an analogy for stability for prot health
ancient shoal
Thanks @amber siren 🙂
bold plover
But; you can tank a 15-16 at 430 just need a good group communication and play it smart.
sweet summit
Ya ik man
Im just joking
tame garden
Bear is bis
bold plover
SPEG MY BABY
sweet summit
2nd bis
bold plover
release guardian WA when
tame garden
Subscribe to my patreon
sweet summit
Onlyfans?
tame garden
😳
sweet summit
Same
bold plover
he must be a cutie by the shit he says in the guardian discord
sweet summit
Bet
sweet summit
Too early to tell
modern brook
#698541559049748520 might have a stronger opinon
orchid raptor
oh thanks, will move my question there
bold plover
uhh I know from my prot friend who tanks in SPK his words and I quote
“Fucking dog shit”
modern brook
lol
orchid raptor
yeah ive heard a lot of people say it even taking in consideration that we are going butt naked
sweet summit
Whats spk?
bold plover
but he did say it was as it stands so hopefully it’s subject to change
Strawberry puppy kisses
orchid raptor
was looking more into whats gonna change in terms of gameplay
sweet summit
Ah
sweet summit
Same as now but less clapping
orchid raptor
oh yikes
sweet summit
Tldr
tame garden
All tanks are boring rotationally
sweet summit
Agreed
orchid raptor
dk is cool
bold plover
idk I think that’s subjective. Like I find it engaging and fun, same with guardian, but DH and Monk and Dk bore the shit out of me
I just don’t like how they function
sweet summit
And thats fine
orchid raptor
i think dk and dh are way more engaging that guardian and brm tbf
modern brook
Dk gives me anxiety
warm plinth
@tame garden You're boring rotationally
modern brook
Im always worried about how to get to a spot
bold plover
brewmaster gives me anxiety tf you mean
tame garden
How is dh engaging
bold plover
Like am I staggering too much? Too little?
tame garden
Press shear every gcd
sweet summit
Shear
orchid raptor
infernal strike YEET
sweet summit
Pog
modern brook
LOL im still trying to convince guildies that sheer is more dps than fracture
warm plinth
Shear. Shear. Shear. Shear. Shear. Shear. Shear.
modern brook
theres no down time ==> more tds
bold plover
bro I ran a key with a prot warrior whose name was yeetmaster and every charge and leap his macro went /yell YEET
it was the most amusing key
orchid raptor
i have a /fart on TD
modern brook
I love ppl that do that
orchid raptor
its fun when youre playing bdk td8 in arenas
bold plover
ah yes corruption the way blizzard finally succeeded in removing skill from the game
bold plover
warm plinth
Yes I love when I have zero actual control over the damage my character does
sweet summit
😳
icy harness
😳
sweet summit
Shush
modern brook
bro td is just crit
sometimes u sheer and it does 2 damage
somtimes u sheer and it does 200k to 5 targets
bold plover
nothing like knowing your dps spec like the back of your hand but getting out dpsed by someone just swapping to it because better corruption profs
modern brook
its nbd
bold plover
🥰
sweet summit
Corruption owns
tame garden
Shadowlands when
sweet summit
Soon
sweet summit
bold plover
hopefully soon I came back from uldir and this shits more painful than that raid
still pagoda
delete corruptions, TF/WF, socket RNG and return class design to MoP
icy harness
class design to mop WeirdChamp
sweet summit
Vengence
icy harness
I think socket rng is a fair bit of rng
still pagoda
nah
sweet summit
Eh
still pagoda
not with current socket balance
bold plover
why did they change KR last boss btw??? Like the mechanic that went around the room? Was it too hard for people just to avoid it entirely by standing on the other side of the room and walking 3 steps over when it moved away from that spot?
sweet summit
Gems are too good
still pagoda
and how one socket is 20ilvls on some items
icy harness
Well, the socket balance is mostly bc of corruptions
sweet summit
Atm
icy harness
I mean in general
bold plover
Nah change classes back to ABT designs bro
still pagoda
Well, the socket balance is mostly bc of corruptions
@icy harness
You clearly didn't play in 8.0
bold plover
shut was actually fire
icy harness
I didn't
still pagoda
when one socket cost 30ilvls
icy harness
that's a yikes
bold plover
do they still not???
still pagoda
they still do
sweet summit
Kinda
still pagoda
and they did throughout all of expansion
bold plover
I thought it was 10 yeah
sweet summit
Depends
still pagoda
around 10-25 depending on class, spec and gear
modern brook
ABt was a good time if u didnt play one of the forgotton specs
bold plover
ABt was a good time if u didnt play one of the forgotton specs
@modern brook I played balance so iunno
orchid raptor
nothing like knowing your dps spec like the back of your hand but getting out dpsed by someone just swapping to it because better corruption profs
@bold plover thats why i quit mid prog in feb me playing unholy to perfection was getting easily outdpsd by a dh stacks IS/EV
orchid raptor
meanwhile i had avoidance per mastery
modern brook
dh is a frustrating class tbh
bold plover
We had a literal ass spec moment of spamming moo fire on ST... and nothing else....
like the fuck
orchid raptor
moo fire
modern brook
like you dont actually have to be good to do well on it
you just need to play a lot
cause everything is on your gear
icy harness
@sweet summit tank a dungeon for me 😳
modern brook
@bold plover ST Moonfirespam was the best part :^)
bold plover
ah yes DH the only spec in the game where you get a dps increase by lowering your graphic settings and making your game darker to the see souls
👀
modern brook
Lady and the child? was the legend shoulders
bold plover
yeah
bold plover
I think Ebru spec did
sweet summit
@icy harness ome in 15
bold plover
Hell even feral did
icy harness
😮
sweet summit
Home
icy harness
ome
bold plover
On coven they figured out it did so much more dps than a boomy with them
modern brook
SL feral looks like its going to have chicken-weaving
bold plover
some Chinese logs
modern brook
and im actually SO hype for that
bold plover
the fuck
orchid frigate
i prefer to call it owl-knitting
bold plover
speaking of weaving
Y’all remember when towelie human weaved on mythic imonar and blamed the healers
👀👀
modern brook
no i only know the verbs in that sentence :/
sweet hearth
is naga hide enchant any good?
modern brook
no
sweet summit
Force multi goid
modern brook
More specifically: You want more stats because more stats gives more damage while also increasing ur survivability
bold plover
basically he’s trying to say is go for ilvl then if you need to depending on content tweak it
bold plover
oh shit I’m stupid sorry
modern brook
Ur not stupid ur a str spec
modern brook
😬 u might be stupid then
still pagoda
😬
bold plover
haha bear go grrr 🥺
still pagoda
bear go die
modern brook
my favorite bear move is "claw"
modern brook
so glad i can choose between 4 different ones
still pagoda
my favorite bear move is "release spirit"
bold plover
nice self heal
still pagoda
bold plover
oh wait
upper violet
undone sun
bold plover
oh hey thyme
still pagoda
Karton's got a vendetta on bears
@modern brook
I've been hating bear since legion
bold plover
but why
sick sentinel
I just did a +15 with TD 5 and like 56 corruption
sweet hearth
bear is fun
sick sentinel
and I have to say that above 40 is stressful as a tank somehow
bold plover
Jesus why would you do that
sweet hearth
i tried my first ever key tanking as prot with 56 corrupt and stressful was the word i'd use lol
sick sentinel
we even did last boss with 2 stones because I'm a retard and cant use the method tool 😄
but it worked out
somehow
sick sentinel
anyways, my question is: is there like a cap on ineffable truth?
because I think I wanna drop the TD2 and get 2x the small IET for it
sweet summit
1 or 2 ineffable 1s is good
sick sentinel
is there some reason to not take lets say 5 in order to have 100% avatar uptime?
modern brook
its not reliable
sweet summit
its only 1 rppm
sick sentinel
i see
modern brook
honestly
the 1 it is more for having access to utility stuff more,
avatar uptime is a nice bonus
but more interupts / spell reflects etc
a better way to say it is CD uptime (both avatar and defensives) will be more heavily influneced by expedient stacking; as we'd generate and thus spend more rage quicker
compared to relying on a 1rppm proc
sick sentinel
alright, makes sense. buying one ineff and one expedient 3 makes more sense then, keeps me still below 40
sweet summit
@modern brook how many ineffables do i need to be able to replace AM with ravager?
still pagoda
i would buy 2 ineffables instead
modern brook
depends on how early u wanna start partying dude
still pagoda
if you don't have 2 already
sweet summit
best i can do is 260%
modern brook
IMO ur corruption budge should p much just be TDs until u need to start stacking verse
still pagoda
2xIT1 is maximum you need
sick sentinel
my thought is just: 1x IT1 < exp3
upper violet
yeah i tried a run with IT it was kinda scuffed but im running a bad setup
sick sentinel
because thats my choice right now, everything else would put me above 40
and the IT1 would bring me to just 30
seems like a waste
modern brook
isnt it1 12?
modern brook
why are we taking tds off?
sick sentinel
because TD5 brought me to 56 and I had to close my eyes in some situations because I was so afraid
still pagoda
@sick sentinel
Corruption level doesn't mean shit
modern brook
thats a healer problem smh.
sick sentinel
so you are saying that 56 is fine?
still pagoda
your corruption budget can hop between 25 and 59
modern brook
yeah
sick sentinel
i atleast outDPSed the hunter in my group and we did a +3
modern brook
25-59 depending on comfort yeah
but i wouldnt spend echos on stuff just to drop it, personally
theres no where near enough time left in the expansion to justify using ucrrency on non-optimal stuff
sick sentinel
my motivation is a bit different aswell, this echostuff also works with the armsgear I'm currently building
still pagoda
and will go TD5 later on
modern brook
IDT arms uses it
modern brook
p sure they just stack expedient and then need to figure out what their spellqueue should be
sick sentinel
or how that fucker is called
boots i mean
those
one more to go
missing one socket 😢
loud shoal
you'd rather have more exp than IT as arms
sick sentinel
thats why I say I'd put exp3 on those boots
upper violet
play HM tauren for minmax vers
amber siren
sick sentinel
Hmm
should I run 59 corruption sanguine week with rank 19 vers or rank 16 vers 39 corruption 🤔
modern brook
Verse3 is basically another rings worth of versatility
assuming ur at ~2k base verse
ur a better prot than i, but I'd rather lose the 200 verse and not deal with tfb in th keys u stack verse for
prime kernel
yo guys, what do You think about haste r3 12% corruption for us ? any reason we should run 1 or 2 of these ? or since we dont run TD anymore but stack vers + 1 or 2 IF 30% , theres no need to increase our haste ?
Especially with haste/vers gear only
I'm at 24k echoes atm and been thinking about buying 12% haste
amber siren
boy that's definitely a question someone else can answer